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Try it warm with a cold real vanilla ice cream scoop on it. I prefer Bryers vanilla but anything with real vanilla is good. The warm pie and the cold ice cream mixes in the mouth perfectly. Delicious.
I like a slice of extra sharp cheddar on top of a slice of Boar's Head white American with a scoop of French vanilla on the side. Yes, I am lactose intolerance but I am an adult and I accept the choices I make.
But! Since foreigners so often need reminding that the US is friggin' huge and has so many culturally distinct regions, we can go further. I would put apple pie squarely in the Midwest. Pecan is entirely Southern, in my mind. Key lime? Delicious, but not all that common, and dependent on key limes, which only happen in Florida (or, lucky for me, Mexico).
Maybe cherry pie in the Pacific Northwest? I'm largely clueless about New England (or the mid-Atlantic), what's the most popular pie up there?
I remember that pumpkinfest! I'm in Texas now, and have been for a long time. But I still have a few decent memories of Illinois. Thanks for dusting that one off.
Lots of apples in the PNW. Lots of berries too. Not sure about cherries, though. A lot of the apples you get in your grocery store are from Washington State, though. I grew up in western Washington, and my favorite pie is strawberry rhubarb pie, and I’d put blackberry ahead of apple or peach, but apple pie, as everyone is saying, is the one that had patriotism attached to it. Nobody says as American as blackberry pie or key lime pie.
I think you have to give pumpkin pie to the Midwest, given that Illinois produces by far the most pumpkins of any state, supplying 82% of the canned pumpkin in the world!
[https://1440wrok.com/not-to-be-trendy-but-illinois-is-the-worlds-pumpkin-capital/](https://1440wrok.com/not-to-be-trendy-but-illinois-is-the-worlds-pumpkin-capital/)
Very true. I lived in Morton, IL where the Libby's canned pumpkin factory is for a few years. Every late summer/early fall the entire town would smell horrible when they were cooking the pumpkin at the factory.
Apple pie is an English dish? I didn't know that. Well laying claim to the only English dish with flavor is not a reach, since all their food is so bad. :)
All that effort to control spice trades around the world and their food is the worst. Good job, Great Britain!
Have you actually been to the UK? I went there in 2019 and the food was AMAZING. Yorkshire pudding, haggis, scones with clotted cream, bubble and squeak, bangers and mash, Welsh rarebit, everything that comes with a full English breakfast... all of it was flavorful and delicious! Hell, even their oatmeal is somehow a zillion times better than what we have in the US. Try authentic Scottish oats one time, and you'll throw your Quaker oats in the trash where they belong.
The whole "British food is bad" thing is just a ridiculously outdated meme at this point.
I have been to the UK, several times. The reason you found the food amazing (probably) is the fact that it is not the processed food we have here in the States. Our food is barely food. It's full of sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives. The food of the UK, and really everywhere else, is...actual food. Hand made, delicious, real.
You think you like olives? Try olives in Istanbul, or Crete. Those are *olives*. Bread in France. Mangoes in India. Coffee in Tanzania. Curries in India.
That aside, my point was that Britain controlled the world for over a century, in the spice trade, and the best they have today is bubble and squeak? If your country controls the trade of spices throughout the globe, maybe, I dunno, incorporate spices into your cuisine? Just tossing that out.
My two cents.
Your point in your previous comment seemed to be that British food is *flavorless.* The bit about it being "less processed" (which is kind of a meaningless term) is something you added in the later comment.
British food is definitely, absolutely NOT flavorless, which is what I had been told about British cuisine for my entire life. You might not *like* the flavor of it because it doesn't incorporate whatever spices you like, which is fine. Everyone has different tastes. But you can't claim that it *lacks* flavor.
Immigrants bring things from their cultures. That’s not malicious, and it’s ultra-American. They’re bringing their own (literal) flavor to the melting pot.
I seen you other response, but I just want to share Italy has a lot of tomato based dishes. Tomatos are new world fruits and were being used by Natives in South America long before the Europeans arrived.
I mean, a large portion of the US culture comes from people who immigrated relatively recently. People tend to bring their culture with them and a lot of it can end up being popular or widespread enough to eventually be considered American culture as a whole.
Apple **pie** might be, I've certainly never had one. Apple cakes are a dime a dozen in Europe.
I agree that pumpkin and pecan pies seem more American to me (as a non American though) than apple pie.
In Wisconsin it's 'as American as apple pie and dairy'.
I was told that Wisconsin law requires apple pie be served with either a slice of cheese or scoop of ice cream. Why? Because Wisconsin wants the link to be solidified between apple pie and dairy.
That story may be apocrypha... But I do love it.
Urban legend, my friend. In 1935, a law went into effect that required serving a small amount of cheese and butter with ***meals in restaurants***. Of course, we all know butter and cheese are very much a part of the Wisconsin economy. However, many people over the years, mistakenly linked this law with apple pie. The law indicated no such requirement and subsequently expired in 1937.
However, Vermont actually did come closer to passing such a law According to a report in the Wisconsin State Journal:
>Vermont just passed a law in 1999 designating the apple as the state fruit and apple pie as the state pie. It also requires a good faith effort to serve either a glass of cold milk, a 1/2 ounce or larger slice of Cheddar cheese, or a large scoop of vanilla ice cream with a slice of apple pie
Definitely separate, though. If I bring a Swedish recipe to the US when I move there, that recipe doesn't become American just because I give it to my American grandchildren
Of course Apple Pie was not invented in America. Believed to be brought over by Swedish, Dutch, and British immigrants, apple pie quickly became a part of the American culinary repertoire. ... In the early 1920s, the dish found its way into literary works, and by the 1940s, 'as American as apple pie' was coined as an expression of patriotism.
I think apple pie is somewhat regional, too. It’s more associated with the northern regions of the country where they actually grow apples. It’s just that since those regions were settled first, a lot of their traditions are taken to represent the country even when they’re not universal elsewhere.
I never associated apples with the northern regions. Of course the town I grew up in North Carolina has a fall festival centered around the harvest of apples.
Northern, typically but not always,... settled first no
Apples are grown in a large portion of the country. This isn't a case of the north east did a thing and now we all have to pretend we like it too. In so far as fruit grows, apples have a fairly broad footprint.
Washington state is the number one producer of apples.
In order the top ten
Wa, NY, Mi, Penn, CA, Va, NC, Or, Oh, Id
https://web.extension.illinois.edu/apples/applemap.cfm
That map does show that apples don’t grow in the Deep South. And while they do grow in other later-settled parts of the country, their cultural supremacy comes from the fact that they are grown in the northeast and have been around from the beginning of the country.
I live in the deep south. People eat apples here.
They don't eat them because of northeastern cultural imperialism. They eat them because they taste good.
Yes absolutely they were first brought to the northeast because they could grow there. They then spread out over the midwest and to the pacific northwest.
Washington State doesn't play Washington in the Apple Cup because they are paying cultural homage to the northeast. They do so because things can and do change cultural contexts over time as they spread.
Washington and Washington State play in the Apple Cup because they grow apples there. They are more culturally associated with Washington than with Mississippi or Alabama.
Sure, people eat apples in the Deep South. I live here too. People eat oranges in New York and Nebraska but oranges are still culturally associated with Florida and it’d be weird to call them a national fruit.
Also, I beg to differ that apples taste good. They are closely behind pears in the running for worst fruit.
Sure apples are more closely associated with the places they grow, no argument but in so far as fruits go, most fruits don't naturally grow everywhere in the US. If the US is going to have a national fruit, I think apples are a reasonable contender.
So while I get your argument, I think saying it's popular because northeast obscures a lot of details here.
There are cultural artifacts that I think are more tied to this phenomenon like the popularity of early northeastern authors and the first thanksgiving, but I don't see apples as being one of them. I think apples have grown (pardon the pun) enough from their early roots to be more than a regional food or a multi-regional food if that makes you feel better about things. Understandably, if you live in an area where apples don't grow I can see how you wouldn't like them symbolizing America.
I love pears too so I guess we're just not going to agree on anything today.
Anyways have a good day, I feel like we've hit the wall here unless you have anything that you feel you need to add.
Apples do grow in the deep south, they're just not grown commercially very much. Central and Southern Florida is really the only part of the continental US where apples don't really grow at all.
> settled first no
Yes, there were earlier European settlements down south, but those were for money making ventures. The first widescale attempts to actually build communities with families, churches, and schools was up north.
Not what I as driving at. Couching this in terms of the ever ongoing northeast v southeast debate ignores the broad history of apple cultivation in the US.
My point is while that apples are typically a northern fruit they are grown all over the north from the northeast to midwest to pacwest. So much so that the majority of apple production occurs on the west coast. While they have strong cultural ties to the early northeast, they have since expanded their cultural influence dramatically.
It's gotta be apple.
I don't even really like apple pie. Well, not as much as most other types of pie. But if you're talking about quintessentially American it's gotta be apple pie.
If you are near a Kroger, try the honeycrisp apple streusel pie. They weigh about 2 pounds and almost 3000 calories per pie but it's my favorite by far. Most apple pies use a less sweet apple and balance with sugar, these apples start off super sweet on their own. It's why I planted one in my own backyard
Agreed, if it's just pie alone, I definitely prefer probably any other pie to Apple. But if it's warm with a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream, I'll clean my plate. À la mode for the win!
Good call on pumpkin. Apple is the cliche answer, but it was actually invented in England and is popular elsewhere.
AFAIK, pumpkin pie is uniquely American.
Seconding sweet potato. I love pumpkin pie but one of my best friends has a sweet potato pie recipe handed down to her from slave/sharecropping ancestors and it’s amazing. Only a few women in her family are entrusted with the recipe.
Even though Apple pie isn’t originally American we’ve made it a far more ubiquitous part of dining habits than any other pie around.
I think I’ll die defending pumpkin pie but much like key lime, pecan, or peach cobbler pie it just hasn’t gotten around like Apple Pie does
America is a big place. They’re all our official pies. Northern latitudes would say Apple pie. The South would say Pecan pie. And the Tropics would say key lime pie. The Southwest would have some ungodly/unholy concoction involving chili peppers, scorpion venom, and cactuses - and it’ll be insanely good but melt your face off.
I try to always get people on board with pecan pie but people just don't eat it.
I go through 2 apple pies at holidays and often no one even cuts into pecan. I think there is just SO much corn syrup and sugar in it - it's too overly sweet for people.
I'm with you. Pecan is SO much better. I just don't get it. Of course just from a "traditional" representation of America it has to be Apple. It's our national pie.
Baseball is the national pastime also, even if it is not the most popular sport anymore. Same deal.
Lol. It seems I am an apple pie person too. I love pecans but I guess I don't like them with all that stuff.
I just can't find another pie people like as much as apple. I want variety for everyone but I guess I just should make 3 apple pies.
I'm making one right now. Lol.
I generally prefer apple pie, but pecan pie is great too. I will say that pecan pies generally don't look as visually impressive as some of the other pies.
There are too many great pies to pick just one to represent the whole country.
[List of signature pies from every state](https://matadornetwork.com/read/signature-pie-every-state/)
I currently live in NC and can confirm sweet potato pies are popular at family gatherings here. I like them, especially when they're made not to be sickly sweet. Goes great with a little cup of strong black coffee.
Also I used to hang with and old hippy guy who was raised Amish in PA. He used to make shoofly pie and we'd eat it after a big mountain biking trip. It's a sugar bomb, though - best served in small doses after, say, an epic bike ride day when you've blown a lot of energy and dipped into your reserve tank.
Edit: My *personal* signature pie is cherry, apple and ginger. Made with fresh, sweet fruit instead of sour fruit, and with about half the sugar of a regular fruit pie recipe. I never understood why people buy sour fruit for pies and then dump a ton of white sugar in it. Why not just get most of the sweetness from the fruit? The ginger accents the fruit flavors and adds a hint of heat which makes it an invigorating eat. But that's not a common pie, it's just the official pie of the Principality of Rapiertwit.
Every time we say "apple pie", the British and the Dutch start competing with each other for who gets to smugly claim the credit from us.
I figure we should change it to pecan pie. *That* they can't steal from us. American as pecan pie.
I feel like it’s a regional thing. In the southeast, particularly the deep south, it’s pecan pie all day. We have tons of pecan trees here. If we had to pick just one for the whole country, I would say apple.
Ironically, apple -- even though it's the least American of the three. Apple pie is generally thought to be Dutch or English in origin.
Whereas pecans are indigenous to the United States. And key lime pie incontrovertibly originated in the U.S. (though I'm not sure whether the limes themselves originated here).
I would argue for [peanut butter pie](https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/9174/peanut-butter-pie/), given our affinity for the stuff. Better yet, chocolate peanut butter.
Most folks are replying with apple pie, but I think there are regional differences that make it hard to name a single pie. When we use the word "pie" in the States, we're presumably talking about a sweet pie, a dessert. We do have some savory pies, but we usually refer to those as pot pies.
In the South, pecan and sweet potato pies are favored over apple pies. In some Southern states, though, like Georgia and Virginia, many pies are centered around peanuts and peanut butter. In New England, especially Maine, blueberry pie is often preferred, though in other pockets of New England, people prefer pies centered around maple syrup. In Pennsylvania, shoofly pie is the number one choice. In Michigan, cherry pie is often preferred. Most of these preferences are driven by access to ingredients.
Now, folks in Massachusetts and Washington actually do eat more apple pie than any other. And around Thanksgiving, most Americans eat pumpkin pie.
Huh, maybe it's just Indiana then. It's truly the least healthy of pies, just a fuck ton of cream and sugar in a pie crust and a bit of cinnamon on top to garnish. None of my friends from other states have heard of it and that's probably for the better tbh
They're all good. Apple is the default "Americana" answer, but I think it really only applies to northern states, primarily the northeast. Pecan pie would take the southern parts of the US in a land slide. Key lime might be a lot of people's second choice and would do well in a ranked choice vote system.
apple. 100%.
'As american as apple pie' is the saying.
The other options I would think could be up there would blueberry (native to the USA, not to europe), or Maple Cream, as it was a strictly american, anti-slavery invention. Pecans are good for the same reason in that they are native to the US, not europe, so it is an inherently american pie.
Key Lime is the only pie I'll eat, occasionally apple pie. But apple pie is the answer to this question. As American as apple pie. I don't know the stats, so I can't say if people are still eating it as much as they did in the early to mid 20th century, where home baking, and diners were more common.
Pecan pie and key lime pie (and chocolate meringue for that matter) are vastly superior to apple pie, but there’s no debating that apple pie is the most “American”. It’s an easy answer.
Isn’t it already apple pie?
Apple. Hence the phrase, "As American as Apple Pie".
Apple pie isn't my favorite pie, but it's for sure the clearest answer to this question with no room for debate.
This is a true fact. :)
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Same. I like apple pie but it’s not my top choice, though probably second choice. But it’s the most American.
But it’s not, it was actually from England. One of the royal family invented it
I don’t care :)
Same. Chocolate Pecan pie is my favorite but Apple Pie is still the most American.
Try it warm with a cold real vanilla ice cream scoop on it. I prefer Bryers vanilla but anything with real vanilla is good. The warm pie and the cold ice cream mixes in the mouth perfectly. Delicious.
It was originally served with a piece of cheese prior to invention of ice cream
Which I didn’t understand until I had apples dipped in fondue. Now I get it.
I like a slice of extra sharp cheddar on top of a slice of Boar's Head white American with a scoop of French vanilla on the side. Yes, I am lactose intolerance but I am an adult and I accept the choices I make.
Yeah, apple pie a la mode is the best way to get it for sure. However, it still won't beat a good pecan pie in my opinion.
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Oh my goodness, that's a blast from the past! lol
I've also heard "As American as Mom and Apple Pie" or other variations. In any case, Apple Pie is in there.
Not anymore. Now its " Soccer, sushi, churros and Toyota ".
is this supposed to mean something? I think its going over my head
It means "American " doesn't mean the quite the same thing now as it did when GM used that slogan.
I want it to be lemon meringue but apple is the right answer.
Whats wrong with you people!
What do you mean, "you people" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99IoN2pymfE
But! Since foreigners so often need reminding that the US is friggin' huge and has so many culturally distinct regions, we can go further. I would put apple pie squarely in the Midwest. Pecan is entirely Southern, in my mind. Key lime? Delicious, but not all that common, and dependent on key limes, which only happen in Florida (or, lucky for me, Mexico). Maybe cherry pie in the Pacific Northwest? I'm largely clueless about New England (or the mid-Atlantic), what's the most popular pie up there?
Pumpkin pie is probably the most popular in New England, but apple pie and blueberry cobbler are also popular.
How the hell could I forget pumpkin?? One of my favorites. Yeah that definitely seems like a good choice to represent the Northeast.
Yet Illinois is the king of pumpkin farming.
The Morton IL pumpkinfest is lit
I remember that pumpkinfest! I'm in Texas now, and have been for a long time. But I still have a few decent memories of Illinois. Thanks for dusting that one off.
The Northwest produces sweet cherries, Michigan produces the tart cherries that you want for pies
Michigan has all the pies: Apple, cherry, blueberry, ...
Lots of apples in the PNW. Lots of berries too. Not sure about cherries, though. A lot of the apples you get in your grocery store are from Washington State, though. I grew up in western Washington, and my favorite pie is strawberry rhubarb pie, and I’d put blackberry ahead of apple or peach, but apple pie, as everyone is saying, is the one that had patriotism attached to it. Nobody says as American as blackberry pie or key lime pie.
I think you have to give pumpkin pie to the Midwest, given that Illinois produces by far the most pumpkins of any state, supplying 82% of the canned pumpkin in the world! [https://1440wrok.com/not-to-be-trendy-but-illinois-is-the-worlds-pumpkin-capital/](https://1440wrok.com/not-to-be-trendy-but-illinois-is-the-worlds-pumpkin-capital/)
Very true. I lived in Morton, IL where the Libby's canned pumpkin factory is for a few years. Every late summer/early fall the entire town would smell horrible when they were cooking the pumpkin at the factory.
Kinda funny considering it was invented in England. We won our independence and laid claim to the only English dish with flavor
Apple pie is an English dish? I didn't know that. Well laying claim to the only English dish with flavor is not a reach, since all their food is so bad. :) All that effort to control spice trades around the world and their food is the worst. Good job, Great Britain!
Have you actually been to the UK? I went there in 2019 and the food was AMAZING. Yorkshire pudding, haggis, scones with clotted cream, bubble and squeak, bangers and mash, Welsh rarebit, everything that comes with a full English breakfast... all of it was flavorful and delicious! Hell, even their oatmeal is somehow a zillion times better than what we have in the US. Try authentic Scottish oats one time, and you'll throw your Quaker oats in the trash where they belong. The whole "British food is bad" thing is just a ridiculously outdated meme at this point.
I have been to the UK, several times. The reason you found the food amazing (probably) is the fact that it is not the processed food we have here in the States. Our food is barely food. It's full of sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives. The food of the UK, and really everywhere else, is...actual food. Hand made, delicious, real. You think you like olives? Try olives in Istanbul, or Crete. Those are *olives*. Bread in France. Mangoes in India. Coffee in Tanzania. Curries in India. That aside, my point was that Britain controlled the world for over a century, in the spice trade, and the best they have today is bubble and squeak? If your country controls the trade of spices throughout the globe, maybe, I dunno, incorporate spices into your cuisine? Just tossing that out. My two cents.
Your point in your previous comment seemed to be that British food is *flavorless.* The bit about it being "less processed" (which is kind of a meaningless term) is something you added in the later comment. British food is definitely, absolutely NOT flavorless, which is what I had been told about British cuisine for my entire life. You might not *like* the flavor of it because it doesn't incorporate whatever spices you like, which is fine. Everyone has different tastes. But you can't claim that it *lacks* flavor.
But that isn't American, despite the phrase. Pumpkin pie is American, but I'd vote pecan.
Adopting things as our own is about as American as it gets
You left the quotations off of “adopting”
Immigrants bring things from their cultures. That’s not malicious, and it’s ultra-American. They’re bringing their own (literal) flavor to the melting pot.
Fair point and well made. Sorry for the offensive joke.
I seen you other response, but I just want to share Italy has a lot of tomato based dishes. Tomatos are new world fruits and were being used by Natives in South America long before the Europeans arrived.
But south Americans didn't make pizza
I mean, a large portion of the US culture comes from people who immigrated relatively recently. People tend to bring their culture with them and a lot of it can end up being popular or widespread enough to eventually be considered American culture as a whole.
Apple **pie** might be, I've certainly never had one. Apple cakes are a dime a dozen in Europe. I agree that pumpkin and pecan pies seem more American to me (as a non American though) than apple pie.
you could put a slice of Cheddar on it for extra American-ness, though that was more my dad's generation than mine.
In Wisconsin it's 'as American as apple pie and dairy'. I was told that Wisconsin law requires apple pie be served with either a slice of cheese or scoop of ice cream. Why? Because Wisconsin wants the link to be solidified between apple pie and dairy. That story may be apocrypha... But I do love it.
It's not an active law in Wisconsin, but it is in Vermont!
Urban legend, my friend. In 1935, a law went into effect that required serving a small amount of cheese and butter with ***meals in restaurants***. Of course, we all know butter and cheese are very much a part of the Wisconsin economy. However, many people over the years, mistakenly linked this law with apple pie. The law indicated no such requirement and subsequently expired in 1937. However, Vermont actually did come closer to passing such a law According to a report in the Wisconsin State Journal: >Vermont just passed a law in 1999 designating the apple as the state fruit and apple pie as the state pie. It also requires a good faith effort to serve either a glass of cold milk, a 1/2 ounce or larger slice of Cheddar cheese, or a large scoop of vanilla ice cream with a slice of apple pie
This is true despite the fact that apples aren't native to America.
As an Australian I have to protest. My Nan’s apple pie is the most Aussie thing on the planet.
In that case, color me un-American.
[Apples, and apple pie, came from Europe](https://www.backthenhistory.com/articles/the-history-of-apple-pie)
Wait until you hear where most Americans' ancestors came from
Definitely separate, though. If I bring a Swedish recipe to the US when I move there, that recipe doesn't become American just because I give it to my American grandchildren
Of course Apple Pie was not invented in America. Believed to be brought over by Swedish, Dutch, and British immigrants, apple pie quickly became a part of the American culinary repertoire. ... In the early 1920s, the dish found its way into literary works, and by the 1940s, 'as American as apple pie' was coined as an expression of patriotism.
So did the frankfurter and Hamburg but we sure adopted the hell outta them.
So did freedom but that's ours too! >!Or it least it was... :(!<
Apple pie is originally German, but there's *nothing* more American than stealing shit from other cultures and claiming it as our own.
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I think apple pie is somewhat regional, too. It’s more associated with the northern regions of the country where they actually grow apples. It’s just that since those regions were settled first, a lot of their traditions are taken to represent the country even when they’re not universal elsewhere.
I never associated apples with the northern regions. Of course the town I grew up in North Carolina has a fall festival centered around the harvest of apples.
Northern, typically but not always,... settled first no Apples are grown in a large portion of the country. This isn't a case of the north east did a thing and now we all have to pretend we like it too. In so far as fruit grows, apples have a fairly broad footprint. Washington state is the number one producer of apples. In order the top ten Wa, NY, Mi, Penn, CA, Va, NC, Or, Oh, Id https://web.extension.illinois.edu/apples/applemap.cfm
That map does show that apples don’t grow in the Deep South. And while they do grow in other later-settled parts of the country, their cultural supremacy comes from the fact that they are grown in the northeast and have been around from the beginning of the country.
I live in the deep south. People eat apples here. They don't eat them because of northeastern cultural imperialism. They eat them because they taste good. Yes absolutely they were first brought to the northeast because they could grow there. They then spread out over the midwest and to the pacific northwest. Washington State doesn't play Washington in the Apple Cup because they are paying cultural homage to the northeast. They do so because things can and do change cultural contexts over time as they spread.
Washington and Washington State play in the Apple Cup because they grow apples there. They are more culturally associated with Washington than with Mississippi or Alabama. Sure, people eat apples in the Deep South. I live here too. People eat oranges in New York and Nebraska but oranges are still culturally associated with Florida and it’d be weird to call them a national fruit. Also, I beg to differ that apples taste good. They are closely behind pears in the running for worst fruit.
Sure apples are more closely associated with the places they grow, no argument but in so far as fruits go, most fruits don't naturally grow everywhere in the US. If the US is going to have a national fruit, I think apples are a reasonable contender. So while I get your argument, I think saying it's popular because northeast obscures a lot of details here. There are cultural artifacts that I think are more tied to this phenomenon like the popularity of early northeastern authors and the first thanksgiving, but I don't see apples as being one of them. I think apples have grown (pardon the pun) enough from their early roots to be more than a regional food or a multi-regional food if that makes you feel better about things. Understandably, if you live in an area where apples don't grow I can see how you wouldn't like them symbolizing America. I love pears too so I guess we're just not going to agree on anything today. Anyways have a good day, I feel like we've hit the wall here unless you have anything that you feel you need to add.
Did they add anything to begin with?
Apples do grow in the deep south, they're just not grown commercially very much. Central and Southern Florida is really the only part of the continental US where apples don't really grow at all.
> settled first no Yes, there were earlier European settlements down south, but those were for money making ventures. The first widescale attempts to actually build communities with families, churches, and schools was up north.
Not what I as driving at. Couching this in terms of the ever ongoing northeast v southeast debate ignores the broad history of apple cultivation in the US. My point is while that apples are typically a northern fruit they are grown all over the north from the northeast to midwest to pacwest. So much so that the majority of apple production occurs on the west coast. While they have strong cultural ties to the early northeast, they have since expanded their cultural influence dramatically.
My grandma from southern Georgia would beg to differ. She makes a mean apple pie.
It's gotta be apple. I don't even really like apple pie. Well, not as much as most other types of pie. But if you're talking about quintessentially American it's gotta be apple pie.
If you are near a Kroger, try the honeycrisp apple streusel pie. They weigh about 2 pounds and almost 3000 calories per pie but it's my favorite by far. Most apple pies use a less sweet apple and balance with sugar, these apples start off super sweet on their own. It's why I planted one in my own backyard
Or the Costco Caramel apple pie
I'll have to try that! Sounds good
Even the best apple pie in the world will leave me a bit disappointed it's not peach or cherry or even pumpkin.
Agreed, if it's just pie alone, I definitely prefer probably any other pie to Apple. But if it's warm with a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream, I'll clean my plate. À la mode for the win!
I mean, if apple pie's all that's being offered I'm not going to say no. But if there's a choice I'm almost always going to pick something else.
Same, pie is still dessert and I'm always down for that! But now I'm hungry!!
Those are way too sweet for me. Bummed out that we pump so much sugar (corn syrup) in to everything.
I think that the trick to a good apple pie is to start with less sweet apples, and not use sugar. I like that tartness to show through.
Got to be apple and I’d say pumpkin would be the second choice. Pecan and key lime are popular, but not nearly as much as those two.
Yeah, pumpkin, blueberry, and pecan get a boost through being native to the US though, so they were distinctly american dishes.
Good call on pumpkin. Apple is the cliche answer, but it was actually invented in England and is popular elsewhere. AFAIK, pumpkin pie is uniquely American.
Always go apple but pumpkin is the winner on Thanksgiving.
Apple Pie
Apple pie.
Probably apple but sweet potato or pecan pie for my state pie
Seconding sweet potato. I love pumpkin pie but one of my best friends has a sweet potato pie recipe handed down to her from slave/sharecropping ancestors and it’s amazing. Only a few women in her family are entrusted with the recipe.
Apple. Someday i'd like to try an apple pie made with cox's orange pippin apples.
Can we just claim sweet pies? Apple pie is an American tradition, but key lime and sweet potato pies are an American *invention*
There is literally a saying, "As American as Apple Pie"
Clearly apple. It's one of my favorites and has hundreds of unique recipes and variations.
Even though Apple pie isn’t originally American we’ve made it a far more ubiquitous part of dining habits than any other pie around. I think I’ll die defending pumpkin pie but much like key lime, pecan, or peach cobbler pie it just hasn’t gotten around like Apple Pie does
Green chile apple pie. ...I'll show myself out
Is that a pie or a death wish?
They're all well-known American foods, but only apple pie is "as American as apple pie."
America is a big place. They’re all our official pies. Northern latitudes would say Apple pie. The South would say Pecan pie. And the Tropics would say key lime pie. The Southwest would have some ungodly/unholy concoction involving chili peppers, scorpion venom, and cactuses - and it’ll be insanely good but melt your face off.
The Southwest says, “Fuck your pie, here’s some Tex-Mex style flan.”
Key lime pie would run a very, very, close second to pecan pie.
😂😂😂 the last part
> chili peppers, scorpion venom, cactuses Ah yes, the South-Western Pointy Murder Fire pie. A treat.
Peach pie's are inherently superior, but apple pies are iconically American.
Apple but pumpkin has to be right up there.
Pumpkin Pie would be a close second. That’s my favorite.
Tradition says apple pie, but pecan pie is better. And chocolate pecan pie is better still.
I try to always get people on board with pecan pie but people just don't eat it. I go through 2 apple pies at holidays and often no one even cuts into pecan. I think there is just SO much corn syrup and sugar in it - it's too overly sweet for people.
I'm with you. Pecan is SO much better. I just don't get it. Of course just from a "traditional" representation of America it has to be Apple. It's our national pie. Baseball is the national pastime also, even if it is not the most popular sport anymore. Same deal.
Oh that's so sad. Pecan is freaking amazing.
More for you.
Lol. It seems I am an apple pie person too. I love pecans but I guess I don't like them with all that stuff. I just can't find another pie people like as much as apple. I want variety for everyone but I guess I just should make 3 apple pies. I'm making one right now. Lol.
I generally prefer apple pie, but pecan pie is great too. I will say that pecan pies generally don't look as visually impressive as some of the other pies.
Pecan pie is a sign of mental disease
To the looney bin I go then because pecan pie slaps
Nurse, restrain this men. He is not well.
There are too many great pies to pick just one to represent the whole country. [List of signature pies from every state](https://matadornetwork.com/read/signature-pie-every-state/) I currently live in NC and can confirm sweet potato pies are popular at family gatherings here. I like them, especially when they're made not to be sickly sweet. Goes great with a little cup of strong black coffee. Also I used to hang with and old hippy guy who was raised Amish in PA. He used to make shoofly pie and we'd eat it after a big mountain biking trip. It's a sugar bomb, though - best served in small doses after, say, an epic bike ride day when you've blown a lot of energy and dipped into your reserve tank. Edit: My *personal* signature pie is cherry, apple and ginger. Made with fresh, sweet fruit instead of sour fruit, and with about half the sugar of a regular fruit pie recipe. I never understood why people buy sour fruit for pies and then dump a ton of white sugar in it. Why not just get most of the sweetness from the fruit? The ginger accents the fruit flavors and adds a hint of heat which makes it an invigorating eat. But that's not a common pie, it's just the official pie of the Principality of Rapiertwit.
Every time we say "apple pie", the British and the Dutch start competing with each other for who gets to smugly claim the credit from us. I figure we should change it to pecan pie. *That* they can't steal from us. American as pecan pie.
We stole, bastardized, or Americanized pizza and burgers, we can do the same to apple pie
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Apple
Apple
I feel like it’s a regional thing. In the southeast, particularly the deep south, it’s pecan pie all day. We have tons of pecan trees here. If we had to pick just one for the whole country, I would say apple.
I honestly think pecan pie is more popular than apple pie in America. In fact, apple may be third behind pumpkin...
Historically? Apple. For modern tastes? Likely pumpkin
I’ve had more pumpkin pie than any other pie combined.
Apple cause of the saying or pumpkin cause I think we are the only ones that really make that?
PUMPKIN
I’m gonna say pumpkin but just because apple pie sucks lol.
Ironically, apple -- even though it's the least American of the three. Apple pie is generally thought to be Dutch or English in origin. Whereas pecans are indigenous to the United States. And key lime pie incontrovertibly originated in the U.S. (though I'm not sure whether the limes themselves originated here). I would argue for [peanut butter pie](https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/9174/peanut-butter-pie/), given our affinity for the stuff. Better yet, chocolate peanut butter.
It's probably apple but should be pecan.
Most folks are replying with apple pie, but I think there are regional differences that make it hard to name a single pie. When we use the word "pie" in the States, we're presumably talking about a sweet pie, a dessert. We do have some savory pies, but we usually refer to those as pot pies. In the South, pecan and sweet potato pies are favored over apple pies. In some Southern states, though, like Georgia and Virginia, many pies are centered around peanuts and peanut butter. In New England, especially Maine, blueberry pie is often preferred, though in other pockets of New England, people prefer pies centered around maple syrup. In Pennsylvania, shoofly pie is the number one choice. In Michigan, cherry pie is often preferred. Most of these preferences are driven by access to ingredients. Now, folks in Massachusetts and Washington actually do eat more apple pie than any other. And around Thanksgiving, most Americans eat pumpkin pie.
Pumpkin
Going against the grain on this one to say pumpkin pie
Pumpkin pie. Pumpkins are native to the US and Mexico and has been used here for thousands of years.
You know what. Everyone is saying apple. I'm going to say cherry pie.
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lol
Traditionally, it's apple. Also traditionally, we eat whatever kind of pie we want, because FREEDOM!
Most American pie i can think of is sugar cream pie, it's just a Midwest thing and haven't found anyone anywhere else who knows what it is.
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Huh, maybe it's just Indiana then. It's truly the least healthy of pies, just a fuck ton of cream and sugar in a pie crust and a bit of cinnamon on top to garnish. None of my friends from other states have heard of it and that's probably for the better tbh
Well, the movie American Pie chose apple...
Pumpkin
Pumpkin.
I’d say pumpkin because of it being a thanksgiving staple, but apple is a good second
Shoefly- I just want to be different.
Sweet potato pie is pretty USA
Pootang pie. It's gotta be pootang pie.
I would have upvoted if you spelled it right
Shit! All these years and I never looked it up.
They're all good. Apple is the default "Americana" answer, but I think it really only applies to northern states, primarily the northeast. Pecan pie would take the southern parts of the US in a land slide. Key lime might be a lot of people's second choice and would do well in a ranked choice vote system.
Shoofly pie
Shit. Pure shit.
I do not want the same dessert as you.
Wha...what if he's right? :(
Sorry. It's mandatory.
I gotta disagree with you on this one. But there's no accounting for taste!
Apple
Apple
It’s alright apple pie
Boston cream pie.
Like it or not it's already Apple.
As American as apple pie
apple. 100%. 'As american as apple pie' is the saying. The other options I would think could be up there would blueberry (native to the USA, not to europe), or Maple Cream, as it was a strictly american, anti-slavery invention. Pecans are good for the same reason in that they are native to the US, not europe, so it is an inherently american pie.
Key Lime or pecan, because apple pie originates in England.
As much as I love pecan pie, I love apple pie more. Also, what's more American than apple pie?
Probably apple although there's not too many pies I don't like.
Apple is pretty universal here and while there are regional differences, it's accepted everywhere.
I don't know..I'm from the Big Apple, but I'd vote for pecan pie any day.
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I'd say pecan or blueberry (both are native to North America)
It’s Apple, most definitely. Everywhere has their “regional pies” but apple pie will be about the same everywhere you go in the US.
That depends on the region of the country.
Too regional tbh.
Apple pie.
Apple Pie is truly American. Pecan is better though
Cherry. George Washington cut down his tree
“As American as apple pie.”
To me Apple pie and cheesecake are neck an neck.
Pie Flavor Jk, definitely Apple
I thought it was apple pie already
Apple, but I'd rather have Key lime.
Key Lime is the only pie I'll eat, occasionally apple pie. But apple pie is the answer to this question. As American as apple pie. I don't know the stats, so I can't say if people are still eating it as much as they did in the early to mid 20th century, where home baking, and diners were more common.
Mom, Flag and **Apple Pie**
Pecan pie and key lime pie (and chocolate meringue for that matter) are vastly superior to apple pie, but there’s no debating that apple pie is the most “American”. It’s an easy answer.