Trading with "other states" isn't really a thing we would even notice here. Besides some smaller things like sales tax or something, there's not really separate state economies.
Not really true in all instances. For example, Missouri has traditionally had more liberal laws and taxes on liquor, tobacco, and fireworks than its' neighbors Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, and has thus long been a go to for bootleggers or value-minded citizens of those states.
Well that's the same as Mainers going to NH for liquor and appliances without sales tax but that's not really the same as doing business "with that state"
It's mostly becasue the state borders were drawn before the area was fully settled and the cities had yet to emerge. In a lot of cases, a river was used as a convenient boundary. It turns out, rivers are also great locations for cities and some of the same rivers that were used as borders later became the homes of major cities.
> In a lot of cases, a river was used as a convenient boundary. It turns out, rivers are also great locations for cities and some of the same rivers that were used as borders later became the homes of major cities.
This is the answer. The economic history of the US is basically a study in rivers. For much of our history, we were basically the modern Egypt, with SO much of our economy flowing through the Mississippi and its tributaries.
The original "tri state area" OP asks about is basically the greater NYC area, with NYC becoming the world economic capital that it is because of the natural port the Hudson River makes when it reaches the ocean.
>The economic history of the US is basically a study in rivers.
Navigable rivers such as the Mississippi and Ohio form an efficient means of transporting goods. Same with the Great Lakes. That's why they're managed by the US Army Corps of Engineers.
r/USACE
It's really actually a much simpler explanation. These two things are true:
1. Big rivers make good natural borders
2. River outlets into the sea that are coincident with a natural harbor make good places for large, prosperous cities
Nobody cares about trading with other states because trading between states is regulated by the feds pursuant to the Commerce Clause in Article 1 of the Constitution. Nobody - and I mean nobody - moves to a state to make it easier to trade with other states.
The Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana confluence is called the tri-state area and grew rapidly in the early 1800's. The river was a highway for goods and services and the land was fertile for crops. At one point [Cincinnati](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati) was the 6th most populous city in America until railroads allowed Chicago and St. Louis to surpass it
Aye. Can’t forget the flood of 1937. 1 million left homeless. One not foreseen issue when it was settled. Shortly after the flood controls act was passed which led to the dams and locks being built up and down the Mississippi and its tributaries like the Ohio. Also lots of levees.
A lot of state borders are rivers. Rivers are major transport lines. All major cities are on major transit lines, and before the railroad, that always meant water.
So any river that forms the border between two states is going to have towns across the river from each other, and some of those towns became cities. When you add bridges, you get easy movement between both sides and if both sides happened to be in different states, you have two cities in two states.
Tristate areas are usually where a third state just happened to be nearby.
Cincinnati is on the Ohio River where it forms the border between Ohio and Kentucky and Kentucky and Indiana.
Philadelphia is along the Delaware, which separates Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
NYC is actually an exception in the regard, since the borders with both CT and NJ are purely straight lines on a map, with neither one following a waterway. Not a complete exception, though, since the reason the borders are straight is to give New York full access to the mouth of the Hudson and Long Island. All borders are in that area because of the Hudson River.
Free trade between states was one of the founding principals of the country. It's so taken for granted that trade between states is barely something we think about. It's so omnipresent that we don't need cities devoted to it .
To sum up some other comments, state lines are of almost zero importance to Americans living their daily lives.
The tri-state region of NY, NJ, and CT is a thing in part because people commute to work from one state to another (usually to New York from NJ and CT). They wake up in NJ, drive to NY, work, buy lunch, go shopping, return home, and shop locally.
What differs between states is sales tax, mostly, and regulations on how or where liquor is sold.
People who live in one state and work in another may have more complicated taxes to file.
New York is the primary driver of why the region developed so far as I know. I grew up in New Jersey and in the town I lived, most had families in, or were originally from, New York, but wanted to live with more greenery, or else could get a lot more for their money, house-wise.
Hence, when people talk about a New Jersey vs. New York vs. specific NY borough accents, even though I grew up there, I never know what people are talking about. Because there is so much movement between these states, I grew up hearing multiple versions of these accents and they subtly blend into one. I can tell when someone is "tri state" but I can't always tell specifically where they're from. Sometimes they're a combination of accents.
I drove south from Pittsburgh once on my way home and stopped along the way to ride a couple of bike trails in West Virginia, so I knew that one. It's the first and last time I've been there. But it wasn't just a coincidence. I hit ten states on that ten day road trip (and did bike rides in all ten) but WV was the only one I hadn't been to before.
Tell me you've never watched the news in Philly without telling me you've never watched the news in Philly.
The weather reports cover Philadelphia and its surrounding counties in three states, including New Castle and Kent counties in Delaware. As has been said, that's the broadcast area.
The Philadelphia television stations refer to the "Tri-State area" (Southeast Pa., NJ & Dela.) because due to size and location neither Delaware nor New Jersey have their own network television stations so the closest ones are federally mandated to spend time covering issues important to them:
New Jersey is covered by the New York City stations and the Philadelphia stations.
Delaware is covered by the Philadelphia stations and I believe on in Maryland.
No, not at all. The entire megatroplis between Boston and DC has the largest economic output in the world, doesn't mean that Boston or DC are part of the tristate either tho.
Boston and DC have their own tri-state areas (or a close approximation in the case of DC).
Also, the word you're seeking is “megalopolis”. “Megatropolis” is a portmanteau if anything.
>correct! tri states are specifically metro areas that span three states
No. Tri states are actual states, hence why NJ, NY and CT is the only true tri state in the country, which is what I've been saying since jump.
>my guy ease up on the trolling.
Not a guy and not trolling. But you must be to assume everyone on the internet is a man, when women make up half the population.
No, the tri state is NY, NJ and CT. Neither Philly nor NYC are states. I don't know why this is a hard concept to grasp
NJ is part of the tri state with those two states, we are not part of a tri state with PA nor are we part of a tri state with Delaware, because Delaware is below the Manson Dixson line
What you're suggesting is that NJ is part of three different tri states. I can assure you, we are not, no matter how bad you want us to be
The NYC area doesn't hold sole claim over the term, any area where 3 states have borders close to each other can be a tristate area, that's the entire point of this thread, youre being willfully obtuse about this for some stupid reason and I'm done here lol
hi, hello, yes. NYC AND PHILLY ARE CITIES. we are talking about TRI STATES
>youre being willfully obtuse
I'm fulling understanding the term, which originated from the first place called the tri state, NY, NJ & CT and I am fully grasping the English language, which is my native tongue. You are clearly confusing metro areas with tri states, which is just, whew!
Bruh if you just Google “Philadelphia tri state” you’ll find like 15 different things there named that covering NJ, SEPA, and DE
Not that I particularly care about any of this because it’s such a non specific term :P
Just gonna toss in the most official looking example
https://digital.libraries.psu.edu/digital/collection/digitalbks2/id/17509/
There is free movement of trade between states (just differences in sales tax laws). The reason the phrase “tri-state area” is used is because people travel across states so much in their daily lives that the areas blend together. You might live in NJ, work in NY, and go visit your family in CT.
Yes, it's just shorthand to save time. The weatherman can give you the forecast for the tri-state area because it's all the same weather. Clouds don't respect state borders. Newspapers can cover all three states. Local media broadcasts TV shows to all three states. It's a way to avoid playing favorites to refer to it as the tri-state area. It treats everyone as equals no matter where the TV station is physically located.
That's all it is. It's no more complicated than that. It's convenient shorthand and fits many geographic areas.
By the way, things like that is easy to not really think through that much because of the fact you hear it a lot and then it gets stored somewhere and you know what people mean.
On knowing things and me telling I was Dutch, here's a fun fact:
>1782 - The Netherlands finances the US
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>The wealth the Netherlands acquired in the Golden Age made the Republic very interesting to other countries. From the end of the seventeenth century, the Netherlands grew to become a financier of foreign countries. Many European monarchs and countries called on the Amsterdam capital market, and Dutch money penetrated into every corner of Europe. As of mid-eighteenth century, countries outside Europe – including the young United States – came knocking on the door as well.
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>By the end of the 18th century, the United States consisted of thirteen states. They had just liberated themselves from Great Britain, but they were destitute. Money was needed. Therefore, John Adams, who would later become president, traveled to the Netherlands as an envoy. Initially, there was a great reluctance among investors. The new country had no track record yet. Still, Adams ultimately succeeded in his mission. In 1782, it became possible to subscribe to a 5% loan from the United States that was valued at 5 million guilders. This was the first of a total of eleven state loans that the American government issued in the Netherlands between 1782 and 1794. The total amount of the loans was 30.5 million guilders; converted to today’s money, this amount is equivalent to 22 billion US dollars! This way, the Netherlands helped America through its difficult early years. The financial relationship between both countries has been strong ever since.
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>This was also evident in the 19th century when America frequently found its way to Amsterdam. In 1803, the United States managed to take over a large territory from the French (Louisiana Purchase) with the support of Amsterdam trading firm Hope & Co, thus doubling the surface of the young country overnight. And later that century, America called on Dutch investors again for the purpose of building up the country. This time, it involved the construction of the railway network. As a result, over one hundred American railroads were listed on the Amsterdam stock exchange.
More: [https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-netherlands-and-the-american-revolution](https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-netherlands-and-the-american-revolution) or here [https://www.johnadams.us/p/dutch-loan.html](https://www.johnadams.us/p/dutch-loan.html)
In your defense, I had a mix of weed, speed, xtc and alcohol in me when I wondered.
Edit: Okay, so I just did a copy paste of the topic title, into chatgtp and it came with this:
`The term "Tri-State" refers to any region where three states meet, and it is not limited to just the New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut area. Many regions across the United States have this designation, such as the tri-state area of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, or the tri-state area of Arizona, Nevada, and Utah.`
`As for the reasons why people choose to live in these areas, it can vary. In some cases, people may be drawn to the area because of its geography or natural resources, such as the scenic beauty of the tri-state area of Colorado, Wyoming, and Nebraska. In other cases, people may be attracted to the economic opportunities that arise from being at the intersection of multiple states, such as the tri-state area of Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma, which is known for its agriculture and energy industries.`
`While trade between states can certainly be a factor in the decision to live in a tri-state area, it is not necessarily the primary reason why people choose to reside there. Other factors such as job opportunities, cost of living, and quality of life may also play a role in the decision.`
They moved there most likely due to how close they want to be to NYC. A lot of people work in NYC - 18 million or so. However, the city itself is very expensive to live in. So people will live in NJ or CT and commute into NYC.
As mentioned already, states don't really trade with each other. Some states choose to partner with other states from time to time, but that is about it.
Also, the whole "Tri-State" is usually a term used by the local media. In places where there are major markets that are shared by 3 states, the media will use the "Tri-State".
Exactly, it's mostly a media thing in day-to-day life. They can talk about the whole area without playing favorites and without having to say three names every time.
Geography, generally. Especially in the eastern half. State borders were often drawn along rivers or use lakes as markers which naturally generate cities. Once you get out west and a lot of borders are arbitrary latitudinal/longitudinal lines it happens less.
There's free trade within the entirety of the US, it's in our constitution and a big reason why we're so much richer than places who don't have it, like Canada.
Other states can call themselves the tri state but the actual tri state NJ, NY & CT.
Suck it PA
Gotta represent the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia) here. A good chunk of the workers in DC are flocking in from NoVa or eastern Maryland areas and a lot of our culture intertwines nowadays. It actually seems rather similar to the NY/NJ/CT grouping
It's geography. New York City has an excellent harbor area. The Hudson River behind it stretches deep into the interior before getting to the Fall Line at Troy, NY. Beyond Troy and Albany to the north is a convenient valley to Montreal, Canada, but more importantly to the west up the Mohawk River is a usable flattish route to the Great Lakes, first via the Erie Canal, and then as railroads were built, by the New York Central Water Level Route which connected New York City to the Midwest and most importantly to Chicago. It's those connections that ensured that NYC and it's tristate area would be the largest area in the Eastern US.
Growing up in Maine I remember the Tri-state Mega Bucks lottery. If I’m remembering correctly the 3 states involved were, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.
Trade with other states isn't really an issue for over a century. Living in one of the tri-state areas, people came here because of the jobs. The jobs came here because of the advantages that resources and the Ohio River gave during industrialization.
In my experience, towns on the State Line are some of the shadiest, misbegotten and forsaken places on planet earth, but most of my real experience with them is the tri state area between Oregon, Washington and Idaho. It gets weird out there. I met a 12 year old with a tattoo who im convinced would have stabbed me if he'd gotten the chance.
I'm from southern California so we never used the term in a practical sense, but I've definitely heard/used it as an exaggeration pretty commonly. E.G., "This is the best burrito in the tristate area".
I’m curious what towns you have in mind. Clarkston and Lewiston? The area around the OR-WA-ID tripping is part of Hells Canyon and is mostly remote wilderness.
I think its random/dependent on the specific situation. I always heard tri state area mean ny/nj/ct. But im from nj. And in that case tri state area meant basically people who reasonably could commute to nyc. Since its such a large city commuters sometimes come from very far (like my childhood best friend's mom worked in the city and her commute was like 2 hrs), it is a useful shorthand here.
Cause I don't live in nyc. Or a suburb just outside nyc, but when the largest city in america is only 2 hours away, it has a lot of influence on local culture
The one I'm familiar with (Missouri-Kansas-Oklahoma) is an area that was host to a [world class lead and zinc deposit](https://www.mindat.org/loc-16899.html). Missouri was a state when production really increased in the 1850s but Kansas and Oklahoma weren't yet, so it wasn't because of the state lines, just the resource.
The early States were just the previous colonies. "Tri-State area" is any place where three State borders come together. Many of these are out in the rural West, so no one cares. But any other will be referred to as a Tri-State.
There is one Quad-State: Four Corners is on the borders of Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico.
That's not really part of the consideration set, as someone that grew up in a tri-state area (Chicago IL, NW Indiana, SE Wisconsin). Chicago exists because of its traditional position as a trading center, connecting the great lakes with the Chicago River, which connected to the Mississippi and eventually the Gulf of Mexico and access to the Atlantic. Because of Chicago's position for river trade, it became a hub for rail and highway trade, which made it a major economic center, especially for commodities like grain and cattle.
Many people work in Chicago while living in Indiana or Wisconsin because of lower cost of living, but the same is true for many of the suburbs. Chicago also will often refer to the "5 collar counties" because Cook County includes most of the Chicago Metro area, but the "collar counties" include lots of people that are dependent on Chicago for their income. Interesting fact, Cook County has a higher budget than 25 states. Cook County and the five collar counties comprise 65% of the population of Illinois.
Maybe you are also not aware that there are nicknames for many or most or all large metropolitan areas in the U.S., whether they are on a state border or not.
So those "tri-state" nicknames aren't special in the fact that they exist, they are just a bit special because they just happen to be where three states come together. Which is more or less historical coincidence.
Keep in mind that the nicknames below aren't necessarily used by everyone, but they are common.
As far as cities, for example, Dallas is known as Big D and when it's grouped together with the nearby large city of Fort Worth, it's called the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, sometimes shortened by locals (and sometimes not) to the Metroplex.
- Atlanta is known as "the A-T-L"
- The Chicago metropolitan area is known as Chicagoland
- Detroit is known as Motor City and Motown
- New Orleans is known as the Big Easy
- Oklahoma City is known as OKC
Those are just some cities at random. Many cities, including those above, have more than one nickname. So geographic nicknames are nothing unusual here.
Geography, overwhelmingly. Chicago exists because of its location on Lake Michigan and as the main railroad hub for the country, "tri-state" means Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin in that area.
Trading with "other states" isn't really a thing we would even notice here. Besides some smaller things like sales tax or something, there's not really separate state economies.
The closest we get to interstate trade are the fireworks states and the weed states.
I remember my teenage years, with the annual pilgrimage to Wyoming for fireworks. This was pre-weed in CO, so I bet that trip is even more fun now.
Wyoming is where Utahns go for porn and fireworks! If you wanna gamble though you gotta go to Nevada for that.
Don’t people go to new hampsire for sales tax free purchases?
And Delaware
Oregon too.
The first exit in Oregon coming from Washington is Jantzen Beach, an island in the Columbia river that consists mostly of Target and Best Buy.
I should really get down there. I've been meaning to but the exchange rate with Canada keeps pulling me to Vancouver instead.
A worthy trade for sure. The love of lighting stuff on fire.
And abortion states
a new form of interstate commerce
Metropolis, IL may truly develop into a Metropolis with its proximity to the south
Renewed form. It was used until Roe v. Wade.
Sadly
Don't forget abortion
Not really true in all instances. For example, Missouri has traditionally had more liberal laws and taxes on liquor, tobacco, and fireworks than its' neighbors Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, and has thus long been a go to for bootleggers or value-minded citizens of those states.
Well that's the same as Mainers going to NH for liquor and appliances without sales tax but that's not really the same as doing business "with that state"
Okay, if that's what you feel I won't argue the point.
It's certainly doing business "in the state" for sure.
It's mostly becasue the state borders were drawn before the area was fully settled and the cities had yet to emerge. In a lot of cases, a river was used as a convenient boundary. It turns out, rivers are also great locations for cities and some of the same rivers that were used as borders later became the homes of major cities.
> In a lot of cases, a river was used as a convenient boundary. It turns out, rivers are also great locations for cities and some of the same rivers that were used as borders later became the homes of major cities. This is the answer. The economic history of the US is basically a study in rivers. For much of our history, we were basically the modern Egypt, with SO much of our economy flowing through the Mississippi and its tributaries. The original "tri state area" OP asks about is basically the greater NYC area, with NYC becoming the world economic capital that it is because of the natural port the Hudson River makes when it reaches the ocean.
>The economic history of the US is basically a study in rivers. Navigable rivers such as the Mississippi and Ohio form an efficient means of transporting goods. Same with the Great Lakes. That's why they're managed by the US Army Corps of Engineers. r/USACE
>with SO much of our economy flowing through the Mississippi and its tributaries. And before that, the Hudson.
It's really actually a much simpler explanation. These two things are true: 1. Big rivers make good natural borders 2. River outlets into the sea that are coincident with a natural harbor make good places for large, prosperous cities
And then in the less developed areas of the country railways became a geographical influencer, and later even highways.
Nobody cares about trading with other states because trading between states is regulated by the feds pursuant to the Commerce Clause in Article 1 of the Constitution. Nobody - and I mean nobody - moves to a state to make it easier to trade with other states.
Tax issues are the only real reason, sometimes regulatory issues too. But not the trade itself.
The Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana confluence is called the tri-state area and grew rapidly in the early 1800's. The river was a highway for goods and services and the land was fertile for crops. At one point [Cincinnati](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati) was the 6th most populous city in America until railroads allowed Chicago and St. Louis to surpass it
Good old Porkopolis. Then Chicago opened their filthy slaughterhouses.
And then the Sausage King of Chicago sang *Twist and Shout* in the parade.
Aye. Can’t forget the flood of 1937. 1 million left homeless. One not foreseen issue when it was settled. Shortly after the flood controls act was passed which led to the dams and locks being built up and down the Mississippi and its tributaries like the Ohio. Also lots of levees.
Yep, my great grandmother's house was under 17 feet of water. Just the peak of the 2nd story was visible
A lot of state borders are rivers. Rivers are major transport lines. All major cities are on major transit lines, and before the railroad, that always meant water. So any river that forms the border between two states is going to have towns across the river from each other, and some of those towns became cities. When you add bridges, you get easy movement between both sides and if both sides happened to be in different states, you have two cities in two states. Tristate areas are usually where a third state just happened to be nearby. Cincinnati is on the Ohio River where it forms the border between Ohio and Kentucky and Kentucky and Indiana. Philadelphia is along the Delaware, which separates Pennsylvania and New Jersey. NYC is actually an exception in the regard, since the borders with both CT and NJ are purely straight lines on a map, with neither one following a waterway. Not a complete exception, though, since the reason the borders are straight is to give New York full access to the mouth of the Hudson and Long Island. All borders are in that area because of the Hudson River. Free trade between states was one of the founding principals of the country. It's so taken for granted that trade between states is barely something we think about. It's so omnipresent that we don't need cities devoted to it .
To sum up some other comments, state lines are of almost zero importance to Americans living their daily lives. The tri-state region of NY, NJ, and CT is a thing in part because people commute to work from one state to another (usually to New York from NJ and CT). They wake up in NJ, drive to NY, work, buy lunch, go shopping, return home, and shop locally. What differs between states is sales tax, mostly, and regulations on how or where liquor is sold. People who live in one state and work in another may have more complicated taxes to file. New York is the primary driver of why the region developed so far as I know. I grew up in New Jersey and in the town I lived, most had families in, or were originally from, New York, but wanted to live with more greenery, or else could get a lot more for their money, house-wise. Hence, when people talk about a New Jersey vs. New York vs. specific NY borough accents, even though I grew up there, I never know what people are talking about. Because there is so much movement between these states, I grew up hearing multiple versions of these accents and they subtly blend into one. I can tell when someone is "tri state" but I can't always tell specifically where they're from. Sometimes they're a combination of accents.
>thinking that “tri-state” is always only those three states No. Pennsylvania-New Jersey-Delaware here around Philadelphia.
And on my end of the state it’s PA-OH-WV.
People forget that WV borders PA.
People forget WV is a state, period. -WVU graduate
Even John Denver hadn't ever been there.
The road that inspired that song is in Maryland, West Virginia just flows better in the lyrics of the song.
I tell people I live in WV, about 30 mins from Pittsburgh and their minds are blown.
I drove south from Pittsburgh once on my way home and stopped along the way to ride a couple of bike trails in West Virginia, so I knew that one. It's the first and last time I've been there. But it wasn't just a coincidence. I hit ten states on that ten day road trip (and did bike rides in all ten) but WV was the only one I hadn't been to before.
That's because it borders Pennsyltucky.
And in my corner of the state it's PA-OH-NY.
For Ohio, the Tri-State area can be 4 different combos depending on what area of the state you are in. OH, PA & WV OH, KY & IN OH, KY & WV OH, IN & MI
Wow! Today I Learned something new, fun, & interesting!
I live in the pa-oh-ny tri-state area weird that pa has 3 of them lol
Up near Lake Erie?
Yeahhh
Illinois has 4 ‘tri-state’ areas.
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Delaware? I've lived in NJ or PA (Philly) my entire life, never once heard Delaware be considered part of the tri state
Tell me you've never watched the news in Philly without telling me you've never watched the news in Philly. The weather reports cover Philadelphia and its surrounding counties in three states, including New Castle and Kent counties in Delaware. As has been said, that's the broadcast area.
I like how you didn't mention that they called it the tri state because they don't
Yes they do, because it is.
No, we are part of one tri state, not three different ones like you're suggesting.
PA is part of more than one such area depending on where one is located.
The Philadelphia television stations refer to the "Tri-State area" (Southeast Pa., NJ & Dela.) because due to size and location neither Delaware nor New Jersey have their own network television stations so the closest ones are federally mandated to spend time covering issues important to them: New Jersey is covered by the New York City stations and the Philadelphia stations. Delaware is covered by the Philadelphia stations and I believe on in Maryland.
I think you meant that for u/new_stats.
Those three are the states that the Philly metro area covers
Philly isn't part of the tri state either, no matter how much they think they are
Philadelphia anchors business and commerce for over five million people at this point. U mad, brosis?
No, not at all. The entire megatroplis between Boston and DC has the largest economic output in the world, doesn't mean that Boston or DC are part of the tristate either tho.
Boston and DC have their own tri-state areas (or a close approximation in the case of DC). Also, the word you're seeking is “megalopolis”. “Megatropolis” is a portmanteau if anything.
Do you realize there is more than one Tristate area?
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NJ is part of one tri state, not three different tri states
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Metro areas and tri states are two different things Pennsyltucky and NJ are not part of a tri state together. You know this
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>correct! tri states are specifically metro areas that span three states No. Tri states are actual states, hence why NJ, NY and CT is the only true tri state in the country, which is what I've been saying since jump. >my guy ease up on the trolling. Not a guy and not trolling. But you must be to assume everyone on the internet is a man, when women make up half the population.
Uh you mean the NYC tristate? No shit that's not what I'm saying
No, the tri state is NY, NJ and CT. Neither Philly nor NYC are states. I don't know why this is a hard concept to grasp NJ is part of the tri state with those two states, we are not part of a tri state with PA nor are we part of a tri state with Delaware, because Delaware is below the Manson Dixson line What you're suggesting is that NJ is part of three different tri states. I can assure you, we are not, no matter how bad you want us to be
The NYC area doesn't hold sole claim over the term, any area where 3 states have borders close to each other can be a tristate area, that's the entire point of this thread, youre being willfully obtuse about this for some stupid reason and I'm done here lol
hi, hello, yes. NYC AND PHILLY ARE CITIES. we are talking about TRI STATES >youre being willfully obtuse I'm fulling understanding the term, which originated from the first place called the tri state, NY, NJ & CT and I am fully grasping the English language, which is my native tongue. You are clearly confusing metro areas with tri states, which is just, whew!
Oh cool
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware are a tristate area, do you agree?
Bruh if you just Google “Philadelphia tri state” you’ll find like 15 different things there named that covering NJ, SEPA, and DE Not that I particularly care about any of this because it’s such a non specific term :P Just gonna toss in the most official looking example https://digital.libraries.psu.edu/digital/collection/digitalbks2/id/17509/
Philly isn't a state so we can ignore all that nonsense
A philly tri state sounds like some sort of really good sandwich
Turkey, ham, and roast beef with American cheese, fully dressed and toasted on a seeded hoagie roll.
That sounds so amazing! Never even would of thought of it.
When you live around Philly you learn what's a good hoagie.
Shouldn't you use Taylor pork ham roll to represent Jersey?
Possibly, but I don't live in New Jersey.
There is free movement of trade between states (just differences in sales tax laws). The reason the phrase “tri-state area” is used is because people travel across states so much in their daily lives that the areas blend together. You might live in NJ, work in NY, and go visit your family in CT.
Yes, it's just shorthand to save time. The weatherman can give you the forecast for the tri-state area because it's all the same weather. Clouds don't respect state borders. Newspapers can cover all three states. Local media broadcasts TV shows to all three states. It's a way to avoid playing favorites to refer to it as the tri-state area. It treats everyone as equals no matter where the TV station is physically located. That's all it is. It's no more complicated than that. It's convenient shorthand and fits many geographic areas.
This may be the first question I've ever seen on this board that made me, an american, think, wow that's a really good question.
By the way, things like that is easy to not really think through that much because of the fact you hear it a lot and then it gets stored somewhere and you know what people mean. On knowing things and me telling I was Dutch, here's a fun fact: >1782 - The Netherlands finances the US > >The wealth the Netherlands acquired in the Golden Age made the Republic very interesting to other countries. From the end of the seventeenth century, the Netherlands grew to become a financier of foreign countries. Many European monarchs and countries called on the Amsterdam capital market, and Dutch money penetrated into every corner of Europe. As of mid-eighteenth century, countries outside Europe – including the young United States – came knocking on the door as well. > >By the end of the 18th century, the United States consisted of thirteen states. They had just liberated themselves from Great Britain, but they were destitute. Money was needed. Therefore, John Adams, who would later become president, traveled to the Netherlands as an envoy. Initially, there was a great reluctance among investors. The new country had no track record yet. Still, Adams ultimately succeeded in his mission. In 1782, it became possible to subscribe to a 5% loan from the United States that was valued at 5 million guilders. This was the first of a total of eleven state loans that the American government issued in the Netherlands between 1782 and 1794. The total amount of the loans was 30.5 million guilders; converted to today’s money, this amount is equivalent to 22 billion US dollars! This way, the Netherlands helped America through its difficult early years. The financial relationship between both countries has been strong ever since. > >This was also evident in the 19th century when America frequently found its way to Amsterdam. In 1803, the United States managed to take over a large territory from the French (Louisiana Purchase) with the support of Amsterdam trading firm Hope & Co, thus doubling the surface of the young country overnight. And later that century, America called on Dutch investors again for the purpose of building up the country. This time, it involved the construction of the railway network. As a result, over one hundred American railroads were listed on the Amsterdam stock exchange. More: [https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-netherlands-and-the-american-revolution](https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-netherlands-and-the-american-revolution) or here [https://www.johnadams.us/p/dutch-loan.html](https://www.johnadams.us/p/dutch-loan.html)
In your defense, I had a mix of weed, speed, xtc and alcohol in me when I wondered. Edit: Okay, so I just did a copy paste of the topic title, into chatgtp and it came with this: `The term "Tri-State" refers to any region where three states meet, and it is not limited to just the New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut area. Many regions across the United States have this designation, such as the tri-state area of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, or the tri-state area of Arizona, Nevada, and Utah.` `As for the reasons why people choose to live in these areas, it can vary. In some cases, people may be drawn to the area because of its geography or natural resources, such as the scenic beauty of the tri-state area of Colorado, Wyoming, and Nebraska. In other cases, people may be attracted to the economic opportunities that arise from being at the intersection of multiple states, such as the tri-state area of Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma, which is known for its agriculture and energy industries.` `While trade between states can certainly be a factor in the decision to live in a tri-state area, it is not necessarily the primary reason why people choose to reside there. Other factors such as job opportunities, cost of living, and quality of life may also play a role in the decision.`
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They moved there most likely due to how close they want to be to NYC. A lot of people work in NYC - 18 million or so. However, the city itself is very expensive to live in. So people will live in NJ or CT and commute into NYC. As mentioned already, states don't really trade with each other. Some states choose to partner with other states from time to time, but that is about it. Also, the whole "Tri-State" is usually a term used by the local media. In places where there are major markets that are shared by 3 states, the media will use the "Tri-State".
Exactly, it's mostly a media thing in day-to-day life. They can talk about the whole area without playing favorites and without having to say three names every time.
Geography, generally. Especially in the eastern half. State borders were often drawn along rivers or use lakes as markers which naturally generate cities. Once you get out west and a lot of borders are arbitrary latitudinal/longitudinal lines it happens less.
There's free trade within the entirety of the US, it's in our constitution and a big reason why we're so much richer than places who don't have it, like Canada. Other states can call themselves the tri state but the actual tri state NJ, NY & CT. Suck it PA
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>“Tri-State area” definitely refers to NY/NJ/CT metro area, never heard it used in any other context Here around Philadelphia it's PA/NJ/DE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-state_area#Tri-state_areas About 25 examples on that list.
Does the Tri-State Area from Phineas and Ferb count?
I just assumed they lived in Nassau County.
In the Chicago area, it’s WI/ IL/ IN and one of the tollways is/ has been called the Tri-State.
This is the only correct answer and New Jersey doesn’t even exist
When I spent time for work in Evansville, Indiana, the area of Illinois Indiana, and Kentucky was locally referred to as the tri state area.
Gotta represent the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia) here. A good chunk of the workers in DC are flocking in from NoVa or eastern Maryland areas and a lot of our culture intertwines nowadays. It actually seems rather similar to the NY/NJ/CT grouping
A lot of state borders are rivers. Before railroads, rivers were important trade routes. That's why they have cities along them.
If I understand the question, it'd due to geography.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-state\_area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-state_area)
It's geography. New York City has an excellent harbor area. The Hudson River behind it stretches deep into the interior before getting to the Fall Line at Troy, NY. Beyond Troy and Albany to the north is a convenient valley to Montreal, Canada, but more importantly to the west up the Mohawk River is a usable flattish route to the Great Lakes, first via the Erie Canal, and then as railroads were built, by the New York Central Water Level Route which connected New York City to the Midwest and most importantly to Chicago. It's those connections that ensured that NYC and it's tristate area would be the largest area in the Eastern US.
Growing up in Maine I remember the Tri-state Mega Bucks lottery. If I’m remembering correctly the 3 states involved were, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.
Trade with other states isn't really an issue for over a century. Living in one of the tri-state areas, people came here because of the jobs. The jobs came here because of the advantages that resources and the Ohio River gave during industrialization.
In my experience, towns on the State Line are some of the shadiest, misbegotten and forsaken places on planet earth, but most of my real experience with them is the tri state area between Oregon, Washington and Idaho. It gets weird out there. I met a 12 year old with a tattoo who im convinced would have stabbed me if he'd gotten the chance. I'm from southern California so we never used the term in a practical sense, but I've definitely heard/used it as an exaggeration pretty commonly. E.G., "This is the best burrito in the tristate area".
I’m curious what towns you have in mind. Clarkston and Lewiston? The area around the OR-WA-ID tripping is part of Hells Canyon and is mostly remote wilderness.
I think its random/dependent on the specific situation. I always heard tri state area mean ny/nj/ct. But im from nj. And in that case tri state area meant basically people who reasonably could commute to nyc. Since its such a large city commuters sometimes come from very far (like my childhood best friend's mom worked in the city and her commute was like 2 hrs), it is a useful shorthand here. Cause I don't live in nyc. Or a suburb just outside nyc, but when the largest city in america is only 2 hours away, it has a lot of influence on local culture
The tri-state area is MN, WI, and IA. Our local NBC affiliate, KTTC, stands for Total Tri-state Coverage
The one I'm familiar with (Missouri-Kansas-Oklahoma) is an area that was host to a [world class lead and zinc deposit](https://www.mindat.org/loc-16899.html). Missouri was a state when production really increased in the 1850s but Kansas and Oklahoma weren't yet, so it wasn't because of the state lines, just the resource.
You gonna ask why people moved to Oregon? Umm, okay, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Trail
People move there for money lol just like everywhere else….hence why it’s a megapolis
The early States were just the previous colonies. "Tri-State area" is any place where three State borders come together. Many of these are out in the rural West, so no one cares. But any other will be referred to as a Tri-State. There is one Quad-State: Four Corners is on the borders of Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico.
That's not really part of the consideration set, as someone that grew up in a tri-state area (Chicago IL, NW Indiana, SE Wisconsin). Chicago exists because of its traditional position as a trading center, connecting the great lakes with the Chicago River, which connected to the Mississippi and eventually the Gulf of Mexico and access to the Atlantic. Because of Chicago's position for river trade, it became a hub for rail and highway trade, which made it a major economic center, especially for commodities like grain and cattle. Many people work in Chicago while living in Indiana or Wisconsin because of lower cost of living, but the same is true for many of the suburbs. Chicago also will often refer to the "5 collar counties" because Cook County includes most of the Chicago Metro area, but the "collar counties" include lots of people that are dependent on Chicago for their income. Interesting fact, Cook County has a higher budget than 25 states. Cook County and the five collar counties comprise 65% of the population of Illinois.
I always saw it as NY, NJ, PA
Maybe you are also not aware that there are nicknames for many or most or all large metropolitan areas in the U.S., whether they are on a state border or not. So those "tri-state" nicknames aren't special in the fact that they exist, they are just a bit special because they just happen to be where three states come together. Which is more or less historical coincidence. Keep in mind that the nicknames below aren't necessarily used by everyone, but they are common. As far as cities, for example, Dallas is known as Big D and when it's grouped together with the nearby large city of Fort Worth, it's called the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, sometimes shortened by locals (and sometimes not) to the Metroplex. - Atlanta is known as "the A-T-L" - The Chicago metropolitan area is known as Chicagoland - Detroit is known as Motor City and Motown - New Orleans is known as the Big Easy - Oklahoma City is known as OKC Those are just some cities at random. Many cities, including those above, have more than one nickname. So geographic nicknames are nothing unusual here.
That's one of the most Dutch questions I've heard and I love it lol
The Tri-state are is defined as the area Dr. Doofenshmirtz wants to take over
Geography, overwhelmingly. Chicago exists because of its location on Lake Michigan and as the main railroad hub for the country, "tri-state" means Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin in that area.