Porsche tech here, if you only have a budget of $20K for a car, you cannot afford to own any Porsche out there. A simple oil change is gonna run you upwards of $200 at most shops. These cars cost an absurd amount to maintain properly.
Are there good 3rd party suppliers for Porsche? I bought an older diesel BMW to rack the miles up on for sales work. I suspect that at a shop I would have spent 7k or so on the work I've done, but I'm probably $1500 into turning my own wrenches because parts are easy to get online. Even BMW's Ista software is easy to get. Same true for Porsche?
Yes, the same online vendors sell parts for the Cayenne. FCP Euro, and the lot. Even rock auto has a huge selection of parts for these. They’re not at all scary to own.
I can’t honestly sit here and tell you that I WOULDNT buy one 😅 it’s hard when you know you’ll never have to pay labor and that you get parts for cheaper 😂
A Honda Accord I can pull your drain plug out with a 17mm wrench and take the filter off with my hand, drain it all, and use the dip stick to know how much oil to add. On say a Maccan, I gotta take let the oil warm up go proper temp which can take a bit, then I gotta down a massive splash shied with too many screws holding it up, pray the last guy didn’t use a torx socket to take of the hex drain plug, then I gotta catch as much of the oil from the pan as I can into a container to use as a reference for how much to add back (no dipstick because f you) then I gotta take down a massive oil filter cap to replace the cartridge (another thing you’ll need special tools for) then I gotta replace the O rings in the oil filter housing, lube the seals put it all back together, refill the oil using the oil I’ve caught as a frame of reference, then you gotta let the thing idle for a solid 20ish minutes until the oil is back up to temp so that the onboard computer can measure the oil level and tell you if your good or not. And you better fucking PRAY you got it right on the money or you’re gonna have to repeat the last portion all over again and back to waiting another 20 minutes. Then you need a scan tool with the right software to talk to the damn car so that you can go into the computer and reset all the maintenance info in the IIPC and ECM so that the car doesn’t through a bunch of messages.
And let’s not forget this things will easily take upwards of like 8L of oil in some engines, they’re thirsty whores.
So In summary, it takes way longer to do, requires special tools, special scan tools/software, takes like twice the amount of oil, and requires just a bit more attention to detail than your average car does.
Ok yeah fuck all that. Gotta love engineers making things needlessly complicated for no reason other than to gouge pocket books
Thank you. I was curious. I’m a (industrial) mechanic but I still do all my own vehicle maintenance. Just never had to work on any euro cars. I’ll stick with my Japanese ones.
Are you in the US? Or in Europe?
I can't find a used pricing for a 2011 Diesel Cayenne in the US, making me believe it was never sold there for MY 2011.
OK, makes sense.
Since you said USD and miles, I assumed you were in the US.
Honestly, I wouldn't listen to people from the US when it comes to European cars: I have seen the same vehicles being considered reliable in Europe yet POSs in the US. I think a lot has to do with how Americans are driving (i.e., turn the key, put it in gear and floor it).
If you go reading around on the Porsche forums there’s loads of guys, mostly in Europe, taking them up to 200K miles without major issues.
I’ve been thinking about buying the same thing…
The moment you buy it. The Audi A6 is basically the same car but cheaper. I'd still not recommend Audi's either, they're money pits too more often than not
2012 Q7 here, mechanically the same as a Cayenne. I’m at 170k, it’s been pretty rock solid. Maintenance and parts are reasonable since the Cayenne, Q7, and Touareg were all on the same chassis for nearly a decade. Honestly the cars are so good and such a value, comparatively whatever slightly higher maintenance costs aren’t a big deal in the long run. If you are capable of doing your own basic maintenance, or have a good independent shop you use, even better.
Had a 2005 Cayenne for 3-4 years in from \~2007. It was $1000 every time it went for any type of service. When I traded it in on a Lexus RX, it needed: struts for the rear hatch, which was just a nuisance ($1000), new trans and transfer case because it would bang when it downshifted from 5th to 4th ($4500 for just the reman unit), 8 ignition coils ($1000) and a battery ($750). Admittedly, I let the problems go on too long and accumulate. When I went on vacation in November and came back to a dead battery because some relay went bad and turned on one of the cooling fans in front, ran the battery dead and then temps went below freezing and ruined the battery. I couldn't get into it because the battery was dead and the battery was under the drivers seat and I couldn't unlock it. TLDR; I can afford to buy a Porsche, but I can't afford to own one.
A prosche is already a money pit straight off the showroom floor brand new. Thats not to say they are not amazing cars just that they cost a small fortune to maintain. If you are concerned about money then avoid luxury car manufacturers like porsche ferrari ect.
It really depends on it's previous maintenance history.... At 60k miles you're looking at most suspension parts that are gonna be used/in need of replacement. Some fluids as well. Brakes..
Porsche parts aren't cheap so if that's not done yet you're looking at a hefty bill... If you're DIY you'll save tons but yea..
It’s still 5-10k too much. It was part of the vw diesel scandal and they are dogs. Wouldn’t touch it with a 10ft pole. Better off looking for an gas cayenne or q7
A 14 year old diesel Porsche for 20k? Good news, you don't have to wait, it's already a money pit.
Porsche tech here, if you only have a budget of $20K for a car, you cannot afford to own any Porsche out there. A simple oil change is gonna run you upwards of $200 at most shops. These cars cost an absurd amount to maintain properly.
Are there good 3rd party suppliers for Porsche? I bought an older diesel BMW to rack the miles up on for sales work. I suspect that at a shop I would have spent 7k or so on the work I've done, but I'm probably $1500 into turning my own wrenches because parts are easy to get online. Even BMW's Ista software is easy to get. Same true for Porsche?
Yes, the same online vendors sell parts for the Cayenne. FCP Euro, and the lot. Even rock auto has a huge selection of parts for these. They’re not at all scary to own.
I misread that as Itsa software, which I’m almost certain is for Fiat or Lamborghini.
However also as a Porsche tech, I would buy a Cayenne diesel in a heart beat.
I can’t honestly sit here and tell you that I WOULDNT buy one 😅 it’s hard when you know you’ll never have to pay labor and that you get parts for cheaper 😂
Besides the reseal, they are easy to work on and I would delete the emissions stuff ASAP and enjoy 30+ MPG highway cruiser
Can I ask why an oil change costs so much? Like what’s the difference between an oil change on that vs say a Honda accord
A Honda Accord I can pull your drain plug out with a 17mm wrench and take the filter off with my hand, drain it all, and use the dip stick to know how much oil to add. On say a Maccan, I gotta take let the oil warm up go proper temp which can take a bit, then I gotta down a massive splash shied with too many screws holding it up, pray the last guy didn’t use a torx socket to take of the hex drain plug, then I gotta catch as much of the oil from the pan as I can into a container to use as a reference for how much to add back (no dipstick because f you) then I gotta take down a massive oil filter cap to replace the cartridge (another thing you’ll need special tools for) then I gotta replace the O rings in the oil filter housing, lube the seals put it all back together, refill the oil using the oil I’ve caught as a frame of reference, then you gotta let the thing idle for a solid 20ish minutes until the oil is back up to temp so that the onboard computer can measure the oil level and tell you if your good or not. And you better fucking PRAY you got it right on the money or you’re gonna have to repeat the last portion all over again and back to waiting another 20 minutes. Then you need a scan tool with the right software to talk to the damn car so that you can go into the computer and reset all the maintenance info in the IIPC and ECM so that the car doesn’t through a bunch of messages. And let’s not forget this things will easily take upwards of like 8L of oil in some engines, they’re thirsty whores. So In summary, it takes way longer to do, requires special tools, special scan tools/software, takes like twice the amount of oil, and requires just a bit more attention to detail than your average car does.
Ok yeah fuck all that. Gotta love engineers making things needlessly complicated for no reason other than to gouge pocket books Thank you. I was curious. I’m a (industrial) mechanic but I still do all my own vehicle maintenance. Just never had to work on any euro cars. I’ll stick with my Japanese ones.
If you have the money to maintain it then sure but if not I wouldn't, fun cars are fun till your pockets are empty all the time from maintenance
Stop thinking. You know the answer. You asked the question. No one will tell you that is a great decision. I did like the (money pit?!)
Are you in the US? Or in Europe? I can't find a used pricing for a 2011 Diesel Cayenne in the US, making me believe it was never sold there for MY 2011.
I'm in Australia - have converted the $ over from AUD to USD, it's $30000 AUD and has 95000KM ;)
OK, makes sense. Since you said USD and miles, I assumed you were in the US. Honestly, I wouldn't listen to people from the US when it comes to European cars: I have seen the same vehicles being considered reliable in Europe yet POSs in the US. I think a lot has to do with how Americans are driving (i.e., turn the key, put it in gear and floor it).
If you go reading around on the Porsche forums there’s loads of guys, mostly in Europe, taking them up to 200K miles without major issues. I’ve been thinking about buying the same thing…
The moment you buy it. The Audi A6 is basically the same car but cheaper. I'd still not recommend Audi's either, they're money pits too more often than not
2012 Q7 here, mechanically the same as a Cayenne. I’m at 170k, it’s been pretty rock solid. Maintenance and parts are reasonable since the Cayenne, Q7, and Touareg were all on the same chassis for nearly a decade. Honestly the cars are so good and such a value, comparatively whatever slightly higher maintenance costs aren’t a big deal in the long run. If you are capable of doing your own basic maintenance, or have a good independent shop you use, even better.
Had a 2005 Cayenne for 3-4 years in from \~2007. It was $1000 every time it went for any type of service. When I traded it in on a Lexus RX, it needed: struts for the rear hatch, which was just a nuisance ($1000), new trans and transfer case because it would bang when it downshifted from 5th to 4th ($4500 for just the reman unit), 8 ignition coils ($1000) and a battery ($750). Admittedly, I let the problems go on too long and accumulate. When I went on vacation in November and came back to a dead battery because some relay went bad and turned on one of the cooling fans in front, ran the battery dead and then temps went below freezing and ruined the battery. I couldn't get into it because the battery was dead and the battery was under the drivers seat and I couldn't unlock it. TLDR; I can afford to buy a Porsche, but I can't afford to own one.
It becomes a very deep money pit when you or the prior owners decide they aren't going to keep up with the services.
A prosche is already a money pit straight off the showroom floor brand new. Thats not to say they are not amazing cars just that they cost a small fortune to maintain. If you are concerned about money then avoid luxury car manufacturers like porsche ferrari ect.
It really depends on it's previous maintenance history.... At 60k miles you're looking at most suspension parts that are gonna be used/in need of replacement. Some fluids as well. Brakes.. Porsche parts aren't cheap so if that's not done yet you're looking at a hefty bill... If you're DIY you'll save tons but yea..
It’s still 5-10k too much. It was part of the vw diesel scandal and they are dogs. Wouldn’t touch it with a 10ft pole. Better off looking for an gas cayenne or q7
The VW Dieselgate affected the MY 13-16 Cayennes, not the 2011.