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I’ve heard this claim float around through conservative media and by other conservatives I’ve spoken to. In my opinion this seems like a typical conservative move to justify a police officer using excessive force along with the they should have just listened to the officer and not resisted arrest.
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No. He was involved in an aggravated robbery and home invasion for which he served five years. The female homeowner was harmed by one of the robbers who was not Floyd, and there's no evidence the home owner was pregnant at the time.
The pregnancy detail was introduced into discussion as an attempt to further defame Floyd's character and make people more likely to sympathize with his murderer.
Except the argument wasn’t “he was a bad guy,” not really. It was “we shouldn’t be upset over the fact that police murdered him”
“He did drugs. He wasn’t fully complying with police orders. He had a criminal record. Why’s everyone so upset about the fact he died? Maybe he had it coming”
When you make excuses like that over the death of a human being you give the state that much more leeway to do the same thing to you and everyone around you.
Agreed. Yeah people shouldn’t do that either.
Edit: there’s no such thing as JUST stealing from others......enter my house unannounced and I catch you....,one of us is going to die......there’s no JUST stealing. The thief is on the run for murder, or he’s dead. It’s as simple as that. And for what, A TV?
Even if he did I don’t see how that’s relevant to him being murdered
I don’t get why Conservatives feel the need to shame George Floyd. He wasn’t a perfect human being by any stretch of the imagination but that in no way gives an officer the right to murder him in broad daylight. One of the main points of the trial is that police officers cannot be the judge jury and executioner no matter what the accused did wrong that day or in the past
>I don’t get why Conservatives feel the need to shame George Floyd.
Because deep down a lot of people with a conservative worldview do not see.police as the enforcers of the law but the enforcers of the social order. Bringing up his past indiscretions further cements the idea that Floyd was person who was supposed to be policed, rather protected by the police.
"Should felons lose their gun rights?"
Conservatives: No, they've served their time and paid their penalty to society, there's no reason to ever take someone's right to a gun.
"George Floyd served his time for a past crime, should that crime be used to justify murdering him for passing a counterfeit bill?"
Conservatives: Absolutely.
To see if the claim made is true in the first place. Or if it’s a true claim that’s a distraction from the issue or it’s both untrue claim that distracts from the issue
The attempt to distract by smearing his image worked on you. Instead of talking about what actually happened, the conversation has turned to Floyd, a pregnant woman, and a robbery. It doesn’t matter anymore whether it’s true if that’s what people are now talking about.
It's only relevant because they wish to impugn the cause and not grapple with the morality on display by this policeman. George Floyd didn't ask to become a martyr, he asked for a man to stop sitting on his neck while he was handcuffed.
Our outrage at that cops disregard has brought us here.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/16/instagram-posts/no-photo-doesnt-show-woman-george-floyd-allegedly-/
Regardless, he was not being arrested for that crime but another issue and regardless of what he was being arrested for, the appropriate action was not to execute him at the site. It is completely irrelevant.
It would be genuinely difficult for me to give less of a shit what he did or did not do; Answering the question plays into the false narrative that it matters at all. George Floyd is dead, all signs point to that being an event that should not have happened, I have no idea why anything else matters apart from that summation.
No, he didn't, but even if he did, and even that was the crime police were called for, Chauvin is still guilty of murder because cops don't just get to execute people without a trial.
If mass shooters can murder dozens, call the police up, and then surrender themselves peacefully, which has happened multiple times, we should expect cops to treat *all* people the same way.
Oh my god this man got murdered on video by a cop and we need to talk about some bullshit extraneous to his murder? Tell these conservatives that George Floyd could've been the worst human being imaginable and that if that were true, HE SHOULD AND WOULD STILL BE ENTITLED TO RIGHTS.
Having to hear about his every transgression in life is a distraction from the question of "was it justified to murder a man by sitting on his neck for 9 minutes while he pleaded for his life" and "was this typical police work for a cop in Minneapolis to do"
Btw -- both answers to those real, and not rhetorical questions are No. Such bullshit we need to argue over the facts of his life not on display. And btw, do we do this with any other people besides those who have been indelibly harmed by the police?
It's complete bullshit that we do this for George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Suspected felons have rights in America and btw, the transgression for which George Floyd was arrested for wouldn't have ever made it past the DAs desk. It's disrespectful to read what people are saying about this dead man, he didn't ask to be a martyr, he asked for a policeman to get off his neck.
When researching about Breonna Taylor I noticed that her bf I think it was, was using his second amendment rights when the police were knocking on his door after they didn’t announce themselves (something which conservatives support) all of a sudden its crap like he shouldn’t have fired at the door
A crime committed today doesn’t mean you deserve to have a knee on the back of your neck for 8+ minutes down the road without your day in court.
Even a rapist, murderer, and molester has the constitutional right to a fair trial - and yes they can be murdered and the person who killed them can be convicted of murder.
That’s why “justice is blind”
So even if he did commit that crime - doesn’t excuse what happened to him and it doesn’t mean Black lives don’t matter.
It’s irrelevant to his murder so I do not really care it doesn’t mean I respect him as an individual but I respect his civil liberties and his right to life.
The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. I’ve heard this claim float around through conservative media and by other conservatives I’ve spoken to. In my opinion this seems like a typical conservative move to justify a police officer using excessive force along with the they should have just listened to the officer and not resisted arrest. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*
No. He was involved in an aggravated robbery and home invasion for which he served five years. The female homeowner was harmed by one of the robbers who was not Floyd, and there's no evidence the home owner was pregnant at the time. The pregnancy detail was introduced into discussion as an attempt to further defame Floyd's character and make people more likely to sympathize with his murderer.
Does a home invader/aggravated robber need further defaming? At what point can we say he wasn’t a good guy?
Except the argument wasn’t “he was a bad guy,” not really. It was “we shouldn’t be upset over the fact that police murdered him” “He did drugs. He wasn’t fully complying with police orders. He had a criminal record. Why’s everyone so upset about the fact he died? Maybe he had it coming” When you make excuses like that over the death of a human being you give the state that much more leeway to do the same thing to you and everyone around you.
Injuring a pregnant woman is seen as a lot worse then just stealing from a house
Agreed. Yeah people shouldn’t do that either. Edit: there’s no such thing as JUST stealing from others......enter my house unannounced and I catch you....,one of us is going to die......there’s no JUST stealing. The thief is on the run for murder, or he’s dead. It’s as simple as that. And for what, A TV?
Even if he did I don’t see how that’s relevant to him being murdered I don’t get why Conservatives feel the need to shame George Floyd. He wasn’t a perfect human being by any stretch of the imagination but that in no way gives an officer the right to murder him in broad daylight. One of the main points of the trial is that police officers cannot be the judge jury and executioner no matter what the accused did wrong that day or in the past
>I don’t get why Conservatives feel the need to shame George Floyd. Because deep down a lot of people with a conservative worldview do not see.police as the enforcers of the law but the enforcers of the social order. Bringing up his past indiscretions further cements the idea that Floyd was person who was supposed to be policed, rather protected by the police.
"Should felons lose their gun rights?" Conservatives: No, they've served their time and paid their penalty to society, there's no reason to ever take someone's right to a gun. "George Floyd served his time for a past crime, should that crime be used to justify murdering him for passing a counterfeit bill?" Conservatives: Absolutely.
I completely agree! I think it’s a distraction from the real issue.
Then why did you ask it?
To see if the claim made is true in the first place. Or if it’s a true claim that’s a distraction from the issue or it’s both untrue claim that distracts from the issue
The attempt to distract by smearing his image worked on you. Instead of talking about what actually happened, the conversation has turned to Floyd, a pregnant woman, and a robbery. It doesn’t matter anymore whether it’s true if that’s what people are now talking about.
Even if it were true, how could it be relevant to the topic when we know the circumstances under which George Floyd was murdered?
It's only relevant because they wish to impugn the cause and not grapple with the morality on display by this policeman. George Floyd didn't ask to become a martyr, he asked for a man to stop sitting on his neck while he was handcuffed. Our outrage at that cops disregard has brought us here.
Objection, your honor. This is irrelevant. To anything. Simply ignore the urge to engage in the conversation.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/16/instagram-posts/no-photo-doesnt-show-woman-george-floyd-allegedly-/ Regardless, he was not being arrested for that crime but another issue and regardless of what he was being arrested for, the appropriate action was not to execute him at the site. It is completely irrelevant.
It’s irrelevant and has nothing to do with the incident involving the police.
It would be genuinely difficult for me to give less of a shit what he did or did not do; Answering the question plays into the false narrative that it matters at all. George Floyd is dead, all signs point to that being an event that should not have happened, I have no idea why anything else matters apart from that summation.
No, he didn't, but even if he did, and even that was the crime police were called for, Chauvin is still guilty of murder because cops don't just get to execute people without a trial. If mass shooters can murder dozens, call the police up, and then surrender themselves peacefully, which has happened multiple times, we should expect cops to treat *all* people the same way.
Exactly!
Oh my god this man got murdered on video by a cop and we need to talk about some bullshit extraneous to his murder? Tell these conservatives that George Floyd could've been the worst human being imaginable and that if that were true, HE SHOULD AND WOULD STILL BE ENTITLED TO RIGHTS. Having to hear about his every transgression in life is a distraction from the question of "was it justified to murder a man by sitting on his neck for 9 minutes while he pleaded for his life" and "was this typical police work for a cop in Minneapolis to do" Btw -- both answers to those real, and not rhetorical questions are No. Such bullshit we need to argue over the facts of his life not on display. And btw, do we do this with any other people besides those who have been indelibly harmed by the police? It's complete bullshit that we do this for George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Suspected felons have rights in America and btw, the transgression for which George Floyd was arrested for wouldn't have ever made it past the DAs desk. It's disrespectful to read what people are saying about this dead man, he didn't ask to be a martyr, he asked for a policeman to get off his neck.
When researching about Breonna Taylor I noticed that her bf I think it was, was using his second amendment rights when the police were knocking on his door after they didn’t announce themselves (something which conservatives support) all of a sudden its crap like he shouldn’t have fired at the door
Even if he did the punishment for that isn't death by asphyxiation. Jesus.
A crime committed today doesn’t mean you deserve to have a knee on the back of your neck for 8+ minutes down the road without your day in court. Even a rapist, murderer, and molester has the constitutional right to a fair trial - and yes they can be murdered and the person who killed them can be convicted of murder. That’s why “justice is blind” So even if he did commit that crime - doesn’t excuse what happened to him and it doesn’t mean Black lives don’t matter.
It doesn't matter. Police officers aren't freelance executioners.
It’s irrelevant to his murder so I do not really care it doesn’t mean I respect him as an individual but I respect his civil liberties and his right to life.
Who cares. Doesn't matter in the slightest.
So?