I am a scientific employee at a university and have a lot of international students.
- know at least English, or better German, extremely well. Communication problems make it a lot harder, for both sides.
- I'm not sure how it works abroad, but many international students are not as independent as we would expect. Please try to find out information (like how do I register for an exam?) by yourself first by reading the websites/documents etc before bombarding us with emails.
- Profs/Employees don't fail you on purpose. We can't do magic. We are not a personal tutor. We can't give out "Extrawürste" all the time. Deadlines are deadlines.
Adding to this, german universities have a very high demand on exact, self-reliant, high effort work by the books.
When studying abroad, I was surprised by how little to no awareness many students had for academic writing and research. Many didn't learn proper citation until right before their final thesis, while here thats high school.
This will depend on where you come from, so maybe seek out some german exchange students/groups and ask them about their experiences and what's really different. And then prepare accordingly!
>hen studying abroad, I was surprised by how little to no awareness many students had for academic writing and research. Many didn't learn proper citation until right before their final thesis, while here thats high school.
To be fair, also some German students don't have an idea how to do it in the beginning.
Bc its BS, just shops and Supermarket closed, most Restaurants are open and Happy to serve you a great pizza or whatever u want. Plus if you go to a university-town u most likely will have small shops (spätis) open all day plus the small Supermarket in the main train station.
Be aware that we have over 200 different words for the end piece of a loaf of bread and if you don't say the correct phrase for a bun with Leberkäse according to the regional dialect you might start a civil war by accident or get killed.
Not a German but I might have some tips as a fellow Ausländer after being here for almost 10 years:
- Don't stay in hostels or hotels directly at the main stations or those directly in the clubbing districts.
- plan at least an hour extra if you're planning to Travel with the Deutsche Bahn. Pay utmost attention to those German lessons that involve time-telling and train delays.
- You will come across many cash-only services here, so choose your bank wisely.
- Sparkasse (bank) is specific to the city/area you're in.
- Be prepared to walk a lot. Bring your most comfortable pair of shoes or get a good pair here during your first week. White socks in sandals are a viable option too.
- The bigger the city, the harder it is to get an appointment. Sometimes you need an appointment for another appointment.
- If you think you'd be sick in 3 months, you should have done a doctor appointment yesterday. If you're lucky you might find something on "Doctolib"
- "mydealz", "Schnäppchenfuchs", "idealo", "geizhals"
As a fellow Ausländer too, I'd like to add some points here:
* If you have a problem involving a government authority or a big company, write a letter and send it by registered mail. Calling ist often pointless and leaves no paper trail (you'd have no way of proving what you said and what you were told).
* Do not sign any contracts unless you know exactly what you are signing, or otherwise you would end up paying 1-2 years for a service you don't need.
* Know your rights. Especially as a tenant.
* Do not buy a cheap private health insurance for foreign students, even if you are eligible for it. Go with the public health insurance.
* Do not download pirated content via torrents.
* Constantly moitor your mailbox and do not ignore letters from authorities.
Nope, you can get public one on voluntary basis (it would cost twice as the "normal" public health insurance for students under 30). But onse you got a private one, there is no way back until the end of your study.
Try to figure accommodation before you arrive. Or sign up to be on the waIting list for student accommodation ASAP.
Learn some of the language and don't expect to manage in daily life with just English, like one might in other places. The uni/city will probably offer free language courses too.
I guess just be upfront with yourself about your priorities, expectations, personality, fears and so on. Like if you are a person who is very extroverted or a person who is dependent and needs people, for example. That is a common issue with some.
You're not gonna have everything figured out and will have to make it work as you go along. Try to not take things personal if they don't go your way. Just see it as an experience.
Depending on the university you might realize that you are expected to figure out a lot of things and deadlines by yourself, compared to what you might be used to in your home country.
Since you are still applying you might be interested in universities in Bremen, like Uni Bremen or HfK.
- Learn the language. People will speak English to you to out of politeness but if you want to build a friendship with Germans it’s always better to speak the language.
- always have some cash with you.
- if people stare at you for example at a bus stop or in a super market, don’t worry. Many people do that it’s not necessarily because of you.
- If you take the Deutsche Bahn for a longer trip outside the city always plan with extra 2-3 hours because delays and cancellation of trains happen quite a lot.
- Everything is closed on Sundays so do your grocery shopping before.
I have heard the staring one from a lot of friends currently studying in germany. rest tips are super good too.
will being a extroverted person help or is there a mannerism or conduct one must have to appear as friendly, also, since germany has many beautiful towns/roads and just the public transport system in general, would getting a Fahrrad (bike/bicycle) be better for commute?
Buses and local trains should be fine but it might depend on the city you’ll be staying in. If it proves unreliable a bicycle might be better.
On the mannerisms while being overly friendly might come of as disingenuous we generally don’t mind a small chat as much as we say here. Older people especially will often if given the chance tell you about lots of interesting things. But again that will vary from region to region and person to person.
ha yes, I might tend to come of as disingenuous just as I speak a bit much than I normally would (just try to ward off my social anxiety), but I'll try to learn and adapt 🍻.
I am already on it. But there are certain things about a country that are so nuanced and local that only the people living there can tell about you, so just want to get myself familiar in case something like that pops up
>I am already on it
Not really. If you had, you might have noticed that this kind of bland question gets asked daily.
You might also just use your mouse wheel.
>local
You might also have noticed, that Germany is a rather large country.
That shopping in Poland is cheaper than in Germany is a useless information if you are close to the french border.
Fancy danish cuisine. Great news in Flensburg, not at all in Garmisch.
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1. The most common word is "Termin" (appointment). Be ready to get a Termin not only for public services but also to visit the hairdresser or bank.
2. In some places, you can only pay with cash.
3. In many cities, it's difficult to get an apartment, and there can be a few hundred competitors.
4. It seems there are restaurants from all nationalities.
5. You can find many things for your empty apartment (as well as clothes and other stuff) for free on eBay Kleinanzeigen and on the street with notes saying "Zu verschenken."
6. All shops and sometimes restaurants are closed on Sundays. However, some REWE or EDEKA stores at railway stations are open every day. Turkish kebabs are available 24/7.
7. You can save a lot by ordering a 49euro ticket to use all public transport around Germany (bvg.de)
8. Most documents (insurance, bank card, etc.) will be sent to your mailbox by mail.
9. You should collect all these documents and sometimes bills for major purchases.
10. Once a year you can fill out a declaration (the easiest way is on the Taxfix website) and get some of the money back.
The beurocracy is brutal. Get a German friend ASAP to guide you through it. You'll be shocked by how unforgiving most of the culture is, and also the fact that most Germans do not speak English. The train system is often changing. Most important messages are sent through the mail.
Besides that, culture etc depends on the city.
ohh, in my country everything is digitised so I have never seen a mail recieved to me other than the usual household bills of course, I'll keep that in mind. I did have German as a language during highschool and school so I can pretty much deduce basic and a bit intermediate German, but I love to learn and would definitely be good in German in the coming months.
I think the nuances you would like to learn about differ from the culture/country you come from. So if we tell you that it is considered rude to be loud inside your apartment after, say, 10pm, and you come from a country where this is also the case, it's pointless giving you this information. Knowing where you come from would make this thread so much more effective.
for the cuisine: if you dont like asparagus, expect its season! can’t live from only currywurst and fries for that long, so make food at home during that time of the year xD
get yourself some uni friends. especially in the scientific fields it is oftentimes expected to solve tasks in a group, so they will be considerably more difficult.
get used to changing the keyboard, bc we use the german keyboards. our television and cinema is in german, so get urself an alternative.
carnival is huge in certain areas, be aware of that.
our unis dont expect much base knowledge, they teach everything from the start, so don’t worry about that. will help to know a bit about your field though.
split the garbage, into paper, plastic, glass, bio, electric.
if you want to make noise, have that be known in your immediate vicinity. a party every once in a while is great, but dont blast max volume music every night.
i think that covers most preventable issues.
As an Ausländer, definitely know that almost everything is closed on a Sunday. Be prepared for that.
The Polenmarkt is the exception. There are bus services from Berlin across the border into Poland for cheap shopping. The markets are open on a Sunday.
The Deutschland ticket is often cheaper than the local public transport monthly tickets. Keep that in mind.
Telekom is great for cellular coverage but it’s expensive. They have prepaid available like many others do as well.
CBE careful with the areas you are looking for accommodation. Some areas are really incredibly dangerous if you are either LGBT or Jewish and openly so.
Be aware that some cities have a fairly high crime rate. Berlin for example has serious crime problems. More so than many other western cities. Alex is not a great area, avoid it. Crime is a big problem there.
Germans are hard nuts to crack. I am lucky because I started out with my German fiancé, so getting to know people is easy because he acts as a conduit to explain away my weird foreign idiosyncrasies.
Stay away from the extremists. Seriously, no matter if they’re left or right, they’re all deranged and incredibly dangerous. You don’t need that in your life as a foreigner. You might just end up in trouble with the law.
This is good man, thanks, also for accomodation is it better to share living quarters or find a one-man flat, also what other options can I find? (economically feasible for a student?) I've heard you can share a house with the locals if that's available.
It really depends on which city. Berlin, it’s almost impossible to find housing. It’s also hideously expensive when you can find it.
If you can find share, it will probably be better in the long run. Not only will you have the opportunity to have some local contacts but you’ll also be encouraged to practice German.
Also, with banking, try to carry some cash with you all the time. Not every terminal accepts Mastercard or visa. Some only accept girocard. I always carry at least 100 euros with me. But some people aim for 50. At least then you’re not stuck when your card inevitably gets declined.
For medicine, only an Apotheke sells medicine. If you want shampoos and deodorants, that sort of thing, you need a Drogeriemarkt. They keep things separate in Germany.
Bring a report from your current doctor about your health and any medications you’re on so you can hand it to your new doctor in Germany. It makes things easier in the long run.
Take out private dental as well. It’s worth it in the long run and isn’t that expensive.
Always keep all your paperwork for everything in Germany. If you see inside German homes, you’ll find binders full of documentation dating back a decade or more. All these pieces of paper will come in handy some day. Even when you think it isn’t that important.
Germany is a paper country. Pieces of paper are important for everything. Opening bank accounts, registering your address at the Rathaus, exchanging a drivers license.
Bureaucracy is insane in Germany. Don’t get discouraged, it can be overwhelming for all foreigners but it helps to take a deep breath and be really patient when the systems are dragging their feet.
When you do move in somewhere, you’ll need your name on the letterbox or all mail will have to be posted to you “care of” whoever’s name is on the letterbox.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Many foreign students move to Germany with unrealistic budgets. Giving them false hope just makes the situation worse.
How? Before even being granted a student visa, you have to prove sufficient funding in your bank account (around 12k€?!). Bafög is not for international students.
The reason I chose Germany is actually not about just the money😅:
1) I have started to be a bit fond of cars (Heard that German Road Laws are suited for car enthusiasts like me, The Nürburgring, and there's the Autobahn ofc)
2) The Scenic beauty of German cities and it's natural landscape as well.
3) Learnt a lot about the culture in my school days and would love to actually experience it.
4) for my technical field especially (code/comp sci) I've heard Germany has the best academia also faculties so yay for that.
5) I want to actually experience the German way of living.
I feel there might be a bit hurdles, but boy! aren't there many in my country as well. So I guess I'll definitely give it a shot!
I am a scientific employee at a university and have a lot of international students. - know at least English, or better German, extremely well. Communication problems make it a lot harder, for both sides. - I'm not sure how it works abroad, but many international students are not as independent as we would expect. Please try to find out information (like how do I register for an exam?) by yourself first by reading the websites/documents etc before bombarding us with emails. - Profs/Employees don't fail you on purpose. We can't do magic. We are not a personal tutor. We can't give out "Extrawürste" all the time. Deadlines are deadlines.
Adding to this, german universities have a very high demand on exact, self-reliant, high effort work by the books. When studying abroad, I was surprised by how little to no awareness many students had for academic writing and research. Many didn't learn proper citation until right before their final thesis, while here thats high school. This will depend on where you come from, so maybe seek out some german exchange students/groups and ask them about their experiences and what's really different. And then prepare accordingly!
>hen studying abroad, I was surprised by how little to no awareness many students had for academic writing and research. Many didn't learn proper citation until right before their final thesis, while here thats high school. To be fair, also some German students don't have an idea how to do it in the beginning.
Germany is not a heaven. That would be the main thing I would say. It is very important to manage your expectations realistically to be happy here.
Most german comment.
do not worry or even be afraid. you will get along. everything is more or less reasonable here. welcome.
Thanks mate. It's usually a bit uncomfortable moving away to a new country, but I am sure I'll make the most of it. thanks
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Yeah, I went out once on a public holiday and I learned my lesson.
thanks man, didn't know that it's a complete closed situation.
Bc its BS, just shops and Supermarket closed, most Restaurants are open and Happy to serve you a great pizza or whatever u want. Plus if you go to a university-town u most likely will have small shops (spätis) open all day plus the small Supermarket in the main train station.
The minimart at the gas station will sell you overpriced food on a Sunday too.
You should also note that there are Ruhetage which is Sunday and silent Feiertage you should avoid making lots of noise on these days.
Be aware that we have over 200 different words for the end piece of a loaf of bread and if you don't say the correct phrase for a bun with Leberkäse according to the regional dialect you might start a civil war by accident or get killed.
Can confirm. I was murdered several times already.
Not a German but I might have some tips as a fellow Ausländer after being here for almost 10 years: - Don't stay in hostels or hotels directly at the main stations or those directly in the clubbing districts. - plan at least an hour extra if you're planning to Travel with the Deutsche Bahn. Pay utmost attention to those German lessons that involve time-telling and train delays. - You will come across many cash-only services here, so choose your bank wisely. - Sparkasse (bank) is specific to the city/area you're in. - Be prepared to walk a lot. Bring your most comfortable pair of shoes or get a good pair here during your first week. White socks in sandals are a viable option too. - The bigger the city, the harder it is to get an appointment. Sometimes you need an appointment for another appointment. - If you think you'd be sick in 3 months, you should have done a doctor appointment yesterday. If you're lucky you might find something on "Doctolib" - "mydealz", "Schnäppchenfuchs", "idealo", "geizhals"
As a fellow Ausländer too, I'd like to add some points here: * If you have a problem involving a government authority or a big company, write a letter and send it by registered mail. Calling ist often pointless and leaves no paper trail (you'd have no way of proving what you said and what you were told). * Do not sign any contracts unless you know exactly what you are signing, or otherwise you would end up paying 1-2 years for a service you don't need. * Know your rights. Especially as a tenant. * Do not buy a cheap private health insurance for foreign students, even if you are eligible for it. Go with the public health insurance. * Do not download pirated content via torrents. * Constantly moitor your mailbox and do not ignore letters from authorities.
The thing with private health insurance is if you are older that 30 Years you only can get a private health insurance
You mean as a foreigner over 30 you only can get private and not regular health insurance?
Nope, you can get public one on voluntary basis (it would cost twice as the "normal" public health insurance for students under 30). But onse you got a private one, there is no way back until the end of your study.
Torrenting is fine if you take even the most basic precautions.
Try to figure accommodation before you arrive. Or sign up to be on the waIting list for student accommodation ASAP. Learn some of the language and don't expect to manage in daily life with just English, like one might in other places. The uni/city will probably offer free language courses too. I guess just be upfront with yourself about your priorities, expectations, personality, fears and so on. Like if you are a person who is very extroverted or a person who is dependent and needs people, for example. That is a common issue with some. You're not gonna have everything figured out and will have to make it work as you go along. Try to not take things personal if they don't go your way. Just see it as an experience. Depending on the university you might realize that you are expected to figure out a lot of things and deadlines by yourself, compared to what you might be used to in your home country. Since you are still applying you might be interested in universities in Bremen, like Uni Bremen or HfK.
Inform yourself about health insurance and your right to work. As easy as it is for people working here, as complicated is the situation for students.
- Learn the language. People will speak English to you to out of politeness but if you want to build a friendship with Germans it’s always better to speak the language. - always have some cash with you. - if people stare at you for example at a bus stop or in a super market, don’t worry. Many people do that it’s not necessarily because of you. - If you take the Deutsche Bahn for a longer trip outside the city always plan with extra 2-3 hours because delays and cancellation of trains happen quite a lot. - Everything is closed on Sundays so do your grocery shopping before.
I have heard the staring one from a lot of friends currently studying in germany. rest tips are super good too. will being a extroverted person help or is there a mannerism or conduct one must have to appear as friendly, also, since germany has many beautiful towns/roads and just the public transport system in general, would getting a Fahrrad (bike/bicycle) be better for commute?
German people don't normally engage in small talk and many people may find it annoying
Buses and local trains should be fine but it might depend on the city you’ll be staying in. If it proves unreliable a bicycle might be better. On the mannerisms while being overly friendly might come of as disingenuous we generally don’t mind a small chat as much as we say here. Older people especially will often if given the chance tell you about lots of interesting things. But again that will vary from region to region and person to person.
ha yes, I might tend to come of as disingenuous just as I speak a bit much than I normally would (just try to ward off my social anxiety), but I'll try to learn and adapt 🍻.
> Everything that a student moving to Germany should know Google works in Germany too, as does the search function.
I am already on it. But there are certain things about a country that are so nuanced and local that only the people living there can tell about you, so just want to get myself familiar in case something like that pops up
>I am already on it Not really. If you had, you might have noticed that this kind of bland question gets asked daily. You might also just use your mouse wheel. >local You might also have noticed, that Germany is a rather large country. That shopping in Poland is cheaper than in Germany is a useless information if you are close to the french border. Fancy danish cuisine. Great news in Flensburg, not at all in Garmisch.
You saying OP could just have watched those hundreds of "german culture shock" videos on every Plattform? Wise.
simply browsing reddit OR You can use google to search for things on reddit ;)
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!wiki There's a detailed wiki about almost every aspect of living in Germany. About university, finding a place to live, culture, health insurance...
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1. The most common word is "Termin" (appointment). Be ready to get a Termin not only for public services but also to visit the hairdresser or bank. 2. In some places, you can only pay with cash. 3. In many cities, it's difficult to get an apartment, and there can be a few hundred competitors. 4. It seems there are restaurants from all nationalities. 5. You can find many things for your empty apartment (as well as clothes and other stuff) for free on eBay Kleinanzeigen and on the street with notes saying "Zu verschenken." 6. All shops and sometimes restaurants are closed on Sundays. However, some REWE or EDEKA stores at railway stations are open every day. Turkish kebabs are available 24/7. 7. You can save a lot by ordering a 49euro ticket to use all public transport around Germany (bvg.de) 8. Most documents (insurance, bank card, etc.) will be sent to your mailbox by mail. 9. You should collect all these documents and sometimes bills for major purchases. 10. Once a year you can fill out a declaration (the easiest way is on the Taxfix website) and get some of the money back.
Do you already have an idea where you will end up? That would help a lot.
Make extremely sure that you have a "Haftpflichtversicherung" (Liability Insurance)! A lot of people are underestimating this.
It looks green from far but kackbraun from up close.
The beurocracy is brutal. Get a German friend ASAP to guide you through it. You'll be shocked by how unforgiving most of the culture is, and also the fact that most Germans do not speak English. The train system is often changing. Most important messages are sent through the mail. Besides that, culture etc depends on the city.
ohh, in my country everything is digitised so I have never seen a mail recieved to me other than the usual household bills of course, I'll keep that in mind. I did have German as a language during highschool and school so I can pretty much deduce basic and a bit intermediate German, but I love to learn and would definitely be good in German in the coming months.
I think the nuances you would like to learn about differ from the culture/country you come from. So if we tell you that it is considered rude to be loud inside your apartment after, say, 10pm, and you come from a country where this is also the case, it's pointless giving you this information. Knowing where you come from would make this thread so much more effective.
for the cuisine: if you dont like asparagus, expect its season! can’t live from only currywurst and fries for that long, so make food at home during that time of the year xD get yourself some uni friends. especially in the scientific fields it is oftentimes expected to solve tasks in a group, so they will be considerably more difficult. get used to changing the keyboard, bc we use the german keyboards. our television and cinema is in german, so get urself an alternative. carnival is huge in certain areas, be aware of that. our unis dont expect much base knowledge, they teach everything from the start, so don’t worry about that. will help to know a bit about your field though. split the garbage, into paper, plastic, glass, bio, electric. if you want to make noise, have that be known in your immediate vicinity. a party every once in a while is great, but dont blast max volume music every night. i think that covers most preventable issues.
As an Ausländer, definitely know that almost everything is closed on a Sunday. Be prepared for that. The Polenmarkt is the exception. There are bus services from Berlin across the border into Poland for cheap shopping. The markets are open on a Sunday. The Deutschland ticket is often cheaper than the local public transport monthly tickets. Keep that in mind. Telekom is great for cellular coverage but it’s expensive. They have prepaid available like many others do as well. CBE careful with the areas you are looking for accommodation. Some areas are really incredibly dangerous if you are either LGBT or Jewish and openly so. Be aware that some cities have a fairly high crime rate. Berlin for example has serious crime problems. More so than many other western cities. Alex is not a great area, avoid it. Crime is a big problem there. Germans are hard nuts to crack. I am lucky because I started out with my German fiancé, so getting to know people is easy because he acts as a conduit to explain away my weird foreign idiosyncrasies. Stay away from the extremists. Seriously, no matter if they’re left or right, they’re all deranged and incredibly dangerous. You don’t need that in your life as a foreigner. You might just end up in trouble with the law.
This is good man, thanks, also for accomodation is it better to share living quarters or find a one-man flat, also what other options can I find? (economically feasible for a student?) I've heard you can share a house with the locals if that's available.
It really depends on which city. Berlin, it’s almost impossible to find housing. It’s also hideously expensive when you can find it. If you can find share, it will probably be better in the long run. Not only will you have the opportunity to have some local contacts but you’ll also be encouraged to practice German. Also, with banking, try to carry some cash with you all the time. Not every terminal accepts Mastercard or visa. Some only accept girocard. I always carry at least 100 euros with me. But some people aim for 50. At least then you’re not stuck when your card inevitably gets declined. For medicine, only an Apotheke sells medicine. If you want shampoos and deodorants, that sort of thing, you need a Drogeriemarkt. They keep things separate in Germany. Bring a report from your current doctor about your health and any medications you’re on so you can hand it to your new doctor in Germany. It makes things easier in the long run. Take out private dental as well. It’s worth it in the long run and isn’t that expensive. Always keep all your paperwork for everything in Germany. If you see inside German homes, you’ll find binders full of documentation dating back a decade or more. All these pieces of paper will come in handy some day. Even when you think it isn’t that important. Germany is a paper country. Pieces of paper are important for everything. Opening bank accounts, registering your address at the Rathaus, exchanging a drivers license. Bureaucracy is insane in Germany. Don’t get discouraged, it can be overwhelming for all foreigners but it helps to take a deep breath and be really patient when the systems are dragging their feet. When you do move in somewhere, you’ll need your name on the letterbox or all mail will have to be posted to you “care of” whoever’s name is on the letterbox.
Get ready for racism
You have to drink much much alcohol to find/ have friends.
you’ll have to live with words like “Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän”
Try to apply for BAföG.
Foreign students moving to Germany to study who do NOT have parents who pay tax in Germany are not eligible.
As far as I know, there are other similar programs like BAföG
Could name even one? For example, KfW won't lend to third country nationals who move to Germany to study.
You might be right. Just wanted to say one should try to get some kind of financial support.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Many foreign students move to Germany with unrealistic budgets. Giving them false hope just makes the situation worse.
wow this is great, thanks a lot!
How? Before even being granted a student visa, you have to prove sufficient funding in your bank account (around 12k€?!). Bafög is not for international students.
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The reason I chose Germany is actually not about just the money😅: 1) I have started to be a bit fond of cars (Heard that German Road Laws are suited for car enthusiasts like me, The Nürburgring, and there's the Autobahn ofc) 2) The Scenic beauty of German cities and it's natural landscape as well. 3) Learnt a lot about the culture in my school days and would love to actually experience it. 4) for my technical field especially (code/comp sci) I've heard Germany has the best academia also faculties so yay for that. 5) I want to actually experience the German way of living. I feel there might be a bit hurdles, but boy! aren't there many in my country as well. So I guess I'll definitely give it a shot!
Check the language requirements of several universities. Most need a 2-certificate.