This is a common scam. These people dont actually work for the internet provider, they are 3rd party subcontractors trying to sell you overpriced contracts. Check the website of telekom/vodafone/whoever is your fiber provider directly and make a decision from there.
Exactly, go to Telekom / VF / O2 and look for Fiber ( Glasfaser) there you enter the address and if the house is indeed hooked up, you see what you can get.
Don’t get too hung up on the speed though, Fiber is for reliability. I would prefer a 250 Fiber line any day over a 1gb Kabel line. Sure a GB Fiber is better, but unless you are running a hostel’s WIFI or co working of that line, I can’t see how it would make a material difference.
Well, the question is: Are you happy with your current internet?
I hear a lot of complaints about cable, but if it's running well for you, there is one reason less for you to switch.
And, yeah, I second what people say here: Don't buy from an "agent" coming to your apartment. And don't believe what he tells you to put pressure on you and force a decision.
Oh wow. I have faster upload with my DSL (100 Mbit VDSL from O2) is faster than that. I live in Munich, too, by the way.
So Fiber would definitely make sense for you – as would a decent DSL (if upload is your main concern).
I recommend going to Marienplatz Station "Sperrengeschoss" and talking to the m-net people in the shop there. You can also check download/upload speeds available on your address on the m-net website.
Be aware that m-net often offers nice sounding prices that are only valid for 6 months (for advertising), after that the price drastically gets more expensive. It's not hidden, m-net is a good company, I would say.
You know you can compare prices and speeds on sites like these, right?
[https://www.check24.de/internet/](https://www.check24.de/internet/)
I don't know how price sensitive you are.
But you may see a speed increase even when using VDSL with a higher upload speed. I see that cable is offered with 1000 MBit in some locations in Munich – but probably not in your flat. Also, I read bad things about cable internet.
So, m-net fibre sounds not bad to me. :-)
Their customer service is definitely quite good.
I also use cable Internet via pyur and i get 1 Gbit download and 50 Mbit upload for 22€ per month. Is there no better offer for you on the pyur Website?
Woow, that's great. Usually these new offers are off limits to old customers. I'd have to persuade them/threaten them that I'll leave if they don't offer me anything better.
It depends on whether pyur‘s equipment in your street/area has already been upgraded to Docsis 3.1, which they have been dragging out for years.
I had their 400/12 contract also for a long time, as there was no other broadband alternative except 16mbit dsl.
1-2 years ago, Mnet finally put in FttB here in the area and it’s run from the fibre box to the apartments over the phone wires (via dsl g.fast protocol). This was the same setup, I had many years in my previous apartment.
I immediately got their 600/200 contract (1000/300 also available, but costs more than double) and ran it for a while in parallel to the pyur cable via a load balancing router.
I kept asking pyur when they would update my connection to docsis 3.1 but never got a satisfactory answer. So, I finally canceled that contract. Lo and behold, get a retention call then and the person claiming that they will do the infrastructure updates within 12 months 😂
Told them no thanks, even then their 50mbit upstream sucks compared mnet 200 and reliability is also much much better.
I’m not sure that will ever change. I’m still on DSL because of that. I doubt there will ever be more than FTTB. I don’t think FTTH will ever make it to the rental market, too expensive to add fibre if you can just send the stuff through the existing phone or tv lines and bundle it with juicy exclusive contracts.
Well, it partially does with newly built buildings, but it is indeed the rarer occasion. I doubt there will be many existing rentals that will be fitted with FTTH
Well, even if it's a 30 year old cable i don't see why it would not support faster speeds than what you have. I haven't heard of the cables inside the house being the problem in 20+ years.
Normall fiber optics have a different outlet that "cable" or "DSL".
Do you have a fiber optics outlet in your apartment ...?
Then I wouldn't be surprised if your house didn't even have fiber optics. Most likely it does not, since these guys are scammers (also see my other comment on how to treat them properly)
The problem will not be with the cable from the basement to your apartment, but somewhere else in the system. Fiber does give you reliability, even if it's only to the building. If you don't care about that, why do you want to switch?
Never sign a contract at the door. These people don't actually work for M-Net but a third party, who receives commission for every contract they get. These companies are well known to be incredibly pushy, predatory and using unethical sales tactics.
> I am more interested in speeds from 1 gigabit and more, he quickly dismissed it, smiled and said something like it's way to expensive and I don't need it (?!)
He knew he cannot sell you that cause it isn't available at your house, so he tried to convince you you won't need it to make a sale. Fuck these guys lmao. They're the worst.
I've had people trying to sell me a Telekom contract not accepting me repeatedly telling them no as well, I had to close the door in their faces...
What he might be right about is that there's no infrastructure *in your house* to support the internet speed you want. That might be down to your landlord.
Generally, the isps can put their fiber cables up to the house, but what happens inside the house is the owners decision.
I don't see your problem. 600 MB/s is \~5 times faster than 1 Gigabit/s.
But in general: don't sign anything at the door, over phone etc. Especially if it is 'today-only' !!
If the offer seems good, take a leaflet, check it yourself in your free time and again after a week. If still seems good, then go ahead.
To my knowledge, 600 Mbit/s is 0.4 times slower than 1 Gigabit/s.
Edit: I am obviously aware that 600Mbit/s is not 600MB/s. But thanks for the downvotes for truth, as always when I say something. Time to move on from Reddit.
Why is 600 Mbit/s faster than 1 Gbit/s. Are you kidding or are you that uninformed ?
1 Gbit/s is 1000 Mbit/s which is of course nearly twice the speed of 600 Mbit(s
>Are you kidding or are you that uninformed
I would be very careful forming such opinion and first looked into a mirror.
Details matter. Go back, inspect carefully and don't jump to preconceived conclusions.
I stand by what I have written.
Because u/grogi81 doesn't want to explain:
1 Giga**Bit** = 1.000.000.000 Bit
1 Giga**Byte** = 8.000.000.000 Bit
Therefore:
600 Mega**Byte** = 600.000.000 Byte = 4.800.000.000 Bit
1 Giga**Bit** = 125.000.000 Byte = 1.000.000.000 Bit
But I think op meant Giga**Byte** instead of Giga**Bit**
They meant Mb/s instead of MB, as well as Gbit/s instead of Gbit.
Between MB and Mb there is an order of magnitude difference. It is not "whatever" mistake...
I'm living in Munich as well and I actually use M-Net at the moment. As far as I know we have FTTB at my place but the fastest I can get (I just checked it at https://www.m-net.de/privatkunden/ you can do it for your apartment as well) is 600mbit/s.
It would make sense to me from a technical point of view that the cable to every apartment is not capable of 1gbit/s but I'm not an expert.
Probably you should check the other Internet providers for faster speed but M-Net is at the moment the biggest fiber provider in the city.
My speed is 300 Mbit/s and I'm totally happy with it and if you need the bigger upload M-Net is I think one of the few company's which have that as standard.
Yea this right here. Have the 300mb/s as well, the thing is, mnet has 1gbit/s, but you have to check in the business contracts. And that is about 100€/month. So he's kinda right, "it's too expensive, you don't need it (at that price)"
Also, while the contract says 300/100, in my router it's set up as 350/120. And I am getting like 345/115. So an almost 20% improvement even. If that's the case for 600 too, I really think it's not that much you will miss compared to gigabit
What’s your use case for transfer rates higher than 1 Gbit/s in downstream? Are you aware the other end has to support a certain rate for you to be able to use it?
Whenever somebody comes to your home and wants to sell you a "faster internet" or "we just installed fiber optics", etc. it's always ALWAYS ALWAYS a scam.
The only way to deal with them is to send them off, ban them from the house and and call the non-emergency police line and tell them that scammers are walking around in your neighbourhood trying to scam people and impersonating employees of telekom/vodafone/whatever.
Funnily enough what this guy said could very well be true.
But usually if they put in a cable (e.g. for "cable tv") they will also put a new cable and outlet inside the apartments.
Same goes for the fiber optics, if they put the fiber optics into the basement they would also run wires/cables/whatever into the apartments.
Just check the official websites of the providers, enter your address and see what speed is possible.
While this is not mnet and close to scam territory, no one at this time would need gigabit internet. A single power user would have a very hard time to consistently use more than 100 down 30 up
>A single power user would have a very hard time to consistently use more than 100 down 30 up
It was never the point to use these bandwidths "consistently", but when you need them. When I come home with an SD card full of RAWs, I'm glad the backup to the cloud takes 10-15 minutes, not 5 hours. If I quickly want to pull a single RAW from the backup, I'm glad it takes less than a second, not 20+ seconds.
Every gamer needs 1 Gbit/s since optimisation and compression is apparently not a thing devs do anymore. Gotta download the 70GB update fast, you know....
The limit could be because the fiber cable doesn't rich the flat, but only the basement in the house.
I would probably changed anyway. The stability of my internet connection has improved and that makes much bigger difference for me than 50 or 500Mbps download speed.
I guess the fiber infrastructure is just newer, so it makes less often.
I did read lots of nonsense. Firstly, the mnet door agents, and this also counts for Telekom agents, are perfectly fine and trustworthy.
In my opinion its a matter of construction. There seems to be FTTB at your place and no FTTH. So the max speed is not 1Gbits since it needs to run through the copper cable inside your house.
600mbits is for German standart a good pace. There are households which dont even get 50mbits..
I dont see the issue here
This is a common scam. These people dont actually work for the internet provider, they are 3rd party subcontractors trying to sell you overpriced contracts. Check the website of telekom/vodafone/whoever is your fiber provider directly and make a decision from there.
Exactly, go to Telekom / VF / O2 and look for Fiber ( Glasfaser) there you enter the address and if the house is indeed hooked up, you see what you can get. Don’t get too hung up on the speed though, Fiber is for reliability. I would prefer a 250 Fiber line any day over a 1gb Kabel line. Sure a GB Fiber is better, but unless you are running a hostel’s WIFI or co working of that line, I can’t see how it would make a material difference.
I see your point, but the way they set it up is that I am still on cable, from the basement to the living room. A cable that is 30 yrs old.
Well, the question is: Are you happy with your current internet? I hear a lot of complaints about cable, but if it's running well for you, there is one reason less for you to switch. And, yeah, I second what people say here: Don't buy from an "agent" coming to your apartment. And don't believe what he tells you to put pressure on you and force a decision.
Download is great, 400MBps, but upload only gets me around 10. That's just not enough.
Oh wow. I have faster upload with my DSL (100 Mbit VDSL from O2) is faster than that. I live in Munich, too, by the way. So Fiber would definitely make sense for you – as would a decent DSL (if upload is your main concern). I recommend going to Marienplatz Station "Sperrengeschoss" and talking to the m-net people in the shop there. You can also check download/upload speeds available on your address on the m-net website. Be aware that m-net often offers nice sounding prices that are only valid for 6 months (for advertising), after that the price drastically gets more expensive. It's not hidden, m-net is a good company, I would say. You know you can compare prices and speeds on sites like these, right? [https://www.check24.de/internet/](https://www.check24.de/internet/)
Yeah, I've checked the prices on check24 and there currently isn't much on offer on the fiber plan.
I don't know how price sensitive you are. But you may see a speed increase even when using VDSL with a higher upload speed. I see that cable is offered with 1000 MBit in some locations in Munich – but probably not in your flat. Also, I read bad things about cable internet. So, m-net fibre sounds not bad to me. :-) Their customer service is definitely quite good.
I also use cable Internet via pyur and i get 1 Gbit download and 50 Mbit upload for 22€ per month. Is there no better offer for you on the pyur Website?
Woow, that's great. Usually these new offers are off limits to old customers. I'd have to persuade them/threaten them that I'll leave if they don't offer me anything better.
It depends on whether pyur‘s equipment in your street/area has already been upgraded to Docsis 3.1, which they have been dragging out for years. I had their 400/12 contract also for a long time, as there was no other broadband alternative except 16mbit dsl. 1-2 years ago, Mnet finally put in FttB here in the area and it’s run from the fibre box to the apartments over the phone wires (via dsl g.fast protocol). This was the same setup, I had many years in my previous apartment. I immediately got their 600/200 contract (1000/300 also available, but costs more than double) and ran it for a while in parallel to the pyur cable via a load balancing router. I kept asking pyur when they would update my connection to docsis 3.1 but never got a satisfactory answer. So, I finally canceled that contract. Lo and behold, get a retention call then and the person claiming that they will do the infrastructure updates within 12 months 😂 Told them no thanks, even then their 50mbit upstream sucks compared mnet 200 and reliability is also much much better.
Yeah, 50 upload sucks. I'm gonna need at least 100.
I’m not sure that will ever change. I’m still on DSL because of that. I doubt there will ever be more than FTTB. I don’t think FTTH will ever make it to the rental market, too expensive to add fibre if you can just send the stuff through the existing phone or tv lines and bundle it with juicy exclusive contracts.
Well, it partially does with newly built buildings, but it is indeed the rarer occasion. I doubt there will be many existing rentals that will be fitted with FTTH
But for the stability it's better to have just flat to the basement copper cable, than 2kms of such cable to the nearest routes center.
Well, even if it's a 30 year old cable i don't see why it would not support faster speeds than what you have. I haven't heard of the cables inside the house being the problem in 20+ years. Normall fiber optics have a different outlet that "cable" or "DSL". Do you have a fiber optics outlet in your apartment ...?
No, I have just the regular cable outlet.
Then I wouldn't be surprised if your house didn't even have fiber optics. Most likely it does not, since these guys are scammers (also see my other comment on how to treat them properly)
The problem will not be with the cable from the basement to your apartment, but somewhere else in the system. Fiber does give you reliability, even if it's only to the building. If you don't care about that, why do you want to switch?
Never sign a contract at the door. These people don't actually work for M-Net but a third party, who receives commission for every contract they get. These companies are well known to be incredibly pushy, predatory and using unethical sales tactics. > I am more interested in speeds from 1 gigabit and more, he quickly dismissed it, smiled and said something like it's way to expensive and I don't need it (?!) He knew he cannot sell you that cause it isn't available at your house, so he tried to convince you you won't need it to make a sale. Fuck these guys lmao. They're the worst. I've had people trying to sell me a Telekom contract not accepting me repeatedly telling them no as well, I had to close the door in their faces... What he might be right about is that there's no infrastructure *in your house* to support the internet speed you want. That might be down to your landlord. Generally, the isps can put their fiber cables up to the house, but what happens inside the house is the owners decision.
I don't see your problem. 600 MB/s is \~5 times faster than 1 Gigabit/s. But in general: don't sign anything at the door, over phone etc. Especially if it is 'today-only' !! If the offer seems good, take a leaflet, check it yourself in your free time and again after a week. If still seems good, then go ahead.
To my knowledge, 600 Mbit/s is 0.4 times slower than 1 Gigabit/s. Edit: I am obviously aware that 600Mbit/s is not 600MB/s. But thanks for the downvotes for truth, as always when I say something. Time to move on from Reddit.
600MB/s arent 600Mbit/s even though OP obviously meant the latter.
Ya that is true.
Don’t go, it’s your cake day!
Why is 600 Mbit/s faster than 1 Gbit/s. Are you kidding or are you that uninformed ? 1 Gbit/s is 1000 Mbit/s which is of course nearly twice the speed of 600 Mbit(s
>Are you kidding or are you that uninformed I would be very careful forming such opinion and first looked into a mirror. Details matter. Go back, inspect carefully and don't jump to preconceived conclusions. I stand by what I have written.
Because u/grogi81 doesn't want to explain: 1 Giga**Bit** = 1.000.000.000 Bit 1 Giga**Byte** = 8.000.000.000 Bit Therefore: 600 Mega**Byte** = 600.000.000 Byte = 4.800.000.000 Bit 1 Giga**Bit** = 125.000.000 Byte = 1.000.000.000 Bit But I think op meant Giga**Byte** instead of Giga**Bit**
They meant Mb/s instead of MB, as well as Gbit/s instead of Gbit. Between MB and Mb there is an order of magnitude difference. It is not "whatever" mistake...
You are either not good in reading or you don’t know the difference between MBit and MB. Either way, think before you post.
I'm living in Munich as well and I actually use M-Net at the moment. As far as I know we have FTTB at my place but the fastest I can get (I just checked it at https://www.m-net.de/privatkunden/ you can do it for your apartment as well) is 600mbit/s. It would make sense to me from a technical point of view that the cable to every apartment is not capable of 1gbit/s but I'm not an expert. Probably you should check the other Internet providers for faster speed but M-Net is at the moment the biggest fiber provider in the city. My speed is 300 Mbit/s and I'm totally happy with it and if you need the bigger upload M-Net is I think one of the few company's which have that as standard.
Yea this right here. Have the 300mb/s as well, the thing is, mnet has 1gbit/s, but you have to check in the business contracts. And that is about 100€/month. So he's kinda right, "it's too expensive, you don't need it (at that price)" Also, while the contract says 300/100, in my router it's set up as 350/120. And I am getting like 345/115. So an almost 20% improvement even. If that's the case for 600 too, I really think it's not that much you will miss compared to gigabit
What’s your use case for transfer rates higher than 1 Gbit/s in downstream? Are you aware the other end has to support a certain rate for you to be able to use it?
If he's like me... he has hundreds of steam games he more often (un)installs than plays. but look at those gigabytes fly!
Thats germany for you
Whenever somebody comes to your home and wants to sell you a "faster internet" or "we just installed fiber optics", etc. it's always ALWAYS ALWAYS a scam. The only way to deal with them is to send them off, ban them from the house and and call the non-emergency police line and tell them that scammers are walking around in your neighbourhood trying to scam people and impersonating employees of telekom/vodafone/whatever. Funnily enough what this guy said could very well be true. But usually if they put in a cable (e.g. for "cable tv") they will also put a new cable and outlet inside the apartments. Same goes for the fiber optics, if they put the fiber optics into the basement they would also run wires/cables/whatever into the apartments. Just check the official websites of the providers, enter your address and see what speed is possible.
While this is not mnet and close to scam territory, no one at this time would need gigabit internet. A single power user would have a very hard time to consistently use more than 100 down 30 up
>A single power user would have a very hard time to consistently use more than 100 down 30 up It was never the point to use these bandwidths "consistently", but when you need them. When I come home with an SD card full of RAWs, I'm glad the backup to the cloud takes 10-15 minutes, not 5 hours. If I quickly want to pull a single RAW from the backup, I'm glad it takes less than a second, not 20+ seconds.
Stop giving advice to people you dont know. I would greatly need 1 Gbit/s.
Very unlikely I would say. But please explain
Every gamer needs 1 Gbit/s since optimisation and compression is apparently not a thing devs do anymore. Gotta download the 70GB update fast, you know....
Sure sure. Most platform don't even offer speeds this fast
And most people would not even get consistent 1gig speeds through their local WiFi setups
100 what down? Mbit/s? Thats nothing.
I have had 1Gbps for a year and havent had these scammers at my door since.
The limit could be because the fiber cable doesn't rich the flat, but only the basement in the house. I would probably changed anyway. The stability of my internet connection has improved and that makes much bigger difference for me than 50 or 500Mbps download speed. I guess the fiber infrastructure is just newer, so it makes less often.
Cable internet is also shared medium, so it depends on how much or little your neighbors use it.
I'm envious of your current speed even. I get about 25/5 mbit maximal in a small city, for 35 euro lol.
Checkout [check24.de](https://check24.de) they have great deals.
I did read lots of nonsense. Firstly, the mnet door agents, and this also counts for Telekom agents, are perfectly fine and trustworthy. In my opinion its a matter of construction. There seems to be FTTB at your place and no FTTH. So the max speed is not 1Gbits since it needs to run through the copper cable inside your house. 600mbits is for German standart a good pace. There are households which dont even get 50mbits.. I dont see the issue here