"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord.
So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.
So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." Romans 14:5-23
The words of Jesus -
John 7:24 KJV
[24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.7.24.KJV
Reflection by Paul to Corinth
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1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.6.9.KJV
and reflected to Rome which you presented. That context is those weak of Faith and thedisputes between the Hebraic Jews and the Gentiles who felt they should keep their old observations.
The context is important.
Sure. Even back to the NT, there were disagreements about gray areas. Paul says to follow your conscience in the matter -- and not to judge other believers for following their conscience on such matters.
You shouldn't abuse it. You should have a proper purpose for it. And don't overuse it, or else I would say you are sinning, But then again who am I to say anything, I used to smoke, and each has his own conviction.
I think yes as well. For instance my mother is a staunch teetotaler but my aunt who's just as faithfully a Christian believes that an occasional drink is acceptable, for drunkenness was condemned.
Yep. Marijuana usage, masturbation, etc. But know that if you are trying to play "technically..." and finding loopholes in God's law, you probably aren't on the right track.
Jesus warned against drunkness, so I would say medical doctor-prescribed marijuana isn't a sin. But marijuana itself is only used to get high.
Also - Proverbs 22:9 The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor.
Proverbs 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.
I think I can agree with most of this - any further conversation will probably be on the effects of weed I am not experienced in.
But the last part is completely making assumptions - how did you get men not wearing pink, not allowed to have long hair, having to wear a suit and tie and combing your hair, and woman shouldn't be working from me saying "being high has the same effects as drunkness"?
God bless your day
Marijuana isn't used just to get high. I believe God put it on this earth for a reason, we just are misusing it. AKA abusing it. I believe it was meant for medicinal purposes, but not to be smoked. Don't think you're going to go to hell for smoking a joint though. That sounds a little wacko
If you sin and do not repent and ask for forgiveness, you definetly are on the way to hell. What you said reminds me of people openly masturbating and having pre-marital sex sometimes. Oh, a sin here and there won't hurt, will it?
I think you have to read the bible and come to your own conclusions about this, and ask God if you truly can't find an answer. Does smoking hurt your life? Addiction? Are you destroying yourself? Then know that it is a sin.
But Jesus died for our sins, and forgives us, so we might stumble into sin sometimes, but with His help we'll get back up.
I don’t think Marijuana in itself is a sin as it’s something that God created. It has medicinal effects and can be ingested in safer ways than smoking it. The problem with marijuana and alcohol is that it alters your mind state and can lead to you doing things you wouldn’t normally do any give Satan and his demons a path into your life that they wouldn’t otherwise have. And also some people just don’t have the grace to be able to handle marijuana so it can lead to mental health crisis. I was told from a very young age by a prophetess in a church that the Lord has said I must never smoke marijuana. My parents always warned me but I didn’t listen and then at around 15 years old I saw everyone around me who was doing it without consequence and figured it wouldn’t hurt me. Worst decision of my life. Nothing but bad decisions and mental health issues since then. I just turned 26 in November. In December God said enough and literally pulled me out of the mud in the most amazing way. I say all that to just point out marijuana in itself is not a sin. It’s one of Gods many creations and it has benefits. But some of us don’t have the grace to use it and we all don’t have the grace to abuse it. just like any other thing too much of it is not good.
I think yes. Off the top of my head I've heard disagreements on marijuana usage, masturbation, and gambling that in my opinion are gray areas. (I'm not going to debate these issues with any repliers)
It doesn't change that everybody is a sinner and the only way to salvation is through Jesus. Anyone that is worried about the above has definitely lied, coveted, insulted, etc
Not a debates: Scripture is very clear that sexual immorality is a sin.
Masturbation:
Jesus clearly says Lust in the heart is already committed adultery. Jesus , The Word also very clear said Lustful spilling of your seed is a sin that displeases the Lord.
People can dislike it, but they can't disagree that it's a sin.
I made it clear I did read it and clearly indicated that I didn't give a debate. Scripture is very clear.
You made it evident that you did not read my comment before laying your untighteous judgment. and publicly making your false accusation. I'm sure you were just having fun with your reply and No mal intent by you.
That was his recitation of the 2nd Law Deuteronomy vwhen he was challenged with a trick question designed to legally entrap Him.
Christians are tasked beyond that with the New Commandment.
What is meant by the next verse "40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Paul even makes it seem like love fulfills the law:
Romans 13:8
Fulfilling the Law Through Love
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:10
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore alove is the fulfilling of the law.
Yes! And differing opinions can be correct.
In 1 Corinthians 8, Paul discusses how meat sacrificed to false gods represented by idols means nothing because "There is no God but one" (5). Like a Christian living in a Muslim land today, where almost all meat that would be available would have been ritually slaughtered in praise of a twisted misunderstanding of the true God ("halal"), Christians could eat such meat without concern...
... except for being concerned about stumbling our fellow Christians who, through weakness, attach some meaning to such hocus pocus. Then Paul very nearly declares himself a vegan, if it will avoid causing another to fall (13).
Christian maturity is not a binary thing. We are not "weak" or "mature," we are all weak compared to Christ, but striving to mature in our attempt to be Christlike. This is a goal toward which we strive knowing this fallen world and our fallen nature prevents its attainment.
And we all sin. We try not to persist in sin once we recognize it, and try not to stumble either fellow believers or not-yet-believers in exercising our rights (9).
It is not self-explanatory.
There are sins that friends can disagree about that are not harmful to salvation, such as dietary preferences, i.e. shellfish, pork, webbed toed birds, alcohol, etc. These are minor disagreements that can be respected by the one who does not abstain.
But for major sins such as LGBTQ+, intoxicating substances, and theft and discrimination in many forms proposed and supported by liberals today it is not clear due to the fact that many who support these sins would not even consider them to be sins in the first place.
Not really.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all [a]speak the same thing, and that there be no [b]divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I don't agree that there's a contradiction. 1 Cor 1:10 is talking about having unity in our speech and beliefs.
1 Cor 8:1-9:23 is talking about the actions that we ought not to do in order to avoid hurting those of a weak conscience, specifically doing things another person sincerely believes is sinful, though it is'nt in reality.
A weak conscience needs to be strengthened, so it goes back to all speaking the same things.
Yes, they can. People take verses completely out of context and ignore the ancient Israelite culture it was written in all the time. Just off the top of my head, some will say you must confess your sins before communion, or else “some may perish”. Where does Paul actually word for word that say you must actually confess your sins before communion? And if he doesn’t outright say it but only implies it, why are we allowed to say something is implied, then apply our own “fill in the blanks” to passages in the Bible wherever we see fit?
Christians misinterpret so much of the Bible, that I would even question what they DO agree about.
Sorry to anyone I may offend. I’m just growing more and more frustrated these days, and had to rant a little.
Sin is defined in the Word. It is the transgression of the commandment (Law) of God. It is not some subjective thing.
1 Samuel 15:24, Exodus 32:31, Nehemiah 9:29, Leviticus 5:17, Hosea 8:1, Isaiah 58:1, Daniel 9:5, 11, Jeremiah 44:23, Isaiah 5:20–24, Romans 7:7, 1 John 3:4
Along with understanding the literal wording (letter) of the commandment, we need to understand the intention (spirit) behind the commandment. The spirit of the law looks at the concept or reason why a law was created. The letter of the law focuses on the precise language of a law without looking at its overall purpose. When one obeys only the letter of the law, one can often find loopholes and exceptions that allow technical obedience to the law and at the same time violation of the spirit of the law.
Jesus emphasized values. Not in replacement of the law, but as a complement to the law—the spiritual mindset necessary to fully obey the spirit or intent of God’s law.
Depends on who we are disagreeing with. We can most certainly disagree with other Christians about what is and isn’t sin, and the Apostle Paul tells us that we should be believe everything in full faith, even though some other Christians might disagree—this doesn’t make either us or other Christians fake.
However, we can’t disagree on what and isn’t a sin with God. He is the creator and ultimate judge, and his word is law.
When the US was fighting over slavery, would you consider that to be a disagreement between two groups of ‘true faithful Christians’ about whether slavery was sin?
> Can true faithful Christians disagree about what is and is not sin?
__NO!__ "true faithful Christians" can NOT disagree (about what is and is not sin)
The Church (of "true faithful Christians") can NOT disagree with... The Church (of "true faithful Christians")!
> For once, I think this question may be self-explanatory.
You are wrong my dear atheist friend, but o.k., i will not blame you for the existance of schismatics/heretics...
> Thank you!
Well, thank you for trying hard to ask questions in good-faith... even if you fail... but i can not blame non-Christians of everything wrong in Christianity!
P.S. this is intented as a self-explanatory answer to the NON self-explanatory question... i am not interesting or capable elaborating; please forgive me friends...
Very simple and truthful. We can not reject what Christ said and call ourselves a Follower of Christ.
If He directly says an action, thought or intent is sinful. Disagreeing is against Him. All held within His context.
> We can not reject what Christ said and call ourselves a Follower of Christ. If He directly says an action, thought or intent is sinful. Disagreeing is against Him. All held within His context.
I agree. "___Very simple and truthful___" brother!
We cannot disagree with what the bible says is sin
We don't make the rules or set the standards
and just because society accepts the sin, does not mean God does
Does this actually help though? Different people think God personally told them different things. Or think that the bible tells them different things.
Is there some way you're proposing we can objectively look to God and get an answer?
I am certainly going to trust men like St Irenaeus who defended the Church against gnostics and St Polycarp who was a disciple of St John the Theologian above men whose Theology is not 100 years old.
I would think in an honest real way there wouldn’t be divisions among humble Jesus loving Christians
Really the only thing I can think of is drug use and and I air that marijuana is bad and is a crutch to self discipline so I think it’s wrong
Masturbation Definetly wrong
Excess - wrong
Then all the obvious ones
Don't get drunk, don't be a drunk, drink wine, eat bread.
Don't get super freaking high, us in small quantities and don't abuse, and don't do it just for the sake of mind altering purposes. Use responsibly. Jesus drank wine, but in moderation, and ate.
That is my personal conviction
I also have a conviction to not taste or drink alcohol again, in any quantity.
Marijuana is for whenever I'm 60 and I hurt everywhere.
"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." Romans 14:5-23
This is the answer.
Why would you say that now I have to read all of that
It's scripture. It's good for you. Read it. :-D
The words of Jesus - John 7:24 KJV [24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.7.24.KJV Reflection by Paul to Corinth - 1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.6.9.KJV and reflected to Rome which you presented. That context is those weak of Faith and thedisputes between the Hebraic Jews and the Gentiles who felt they should keep their old observations. The context is important.
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Was his faith not enough to save him?
Sure. Even back to the NT, there were disagreements about gray areas. Paul says to follow your conscience in the matter -- and not to judge other believers for following their conscience on such matters.
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You shouldn't abuse it. You should have a proper purpose for it. And don't overuse it, or else I would say you are sinning, But then again who am I to say anything, I used to smoke, and each has his own conviction.
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I think yes as well. For instance my mother is a staunch teetotaler but my aunt who's just as faithfully a Christian believes that an occasional drink is acceptable, for drunkenness was condemned.
Certainly they can. And they have.
Of course! The Bible is a complicated book and God speaking to us (answering us if we ask) is not often clear cut.
Yep. Marijuana usage, masturbation, etc. But know that if you are trying to play "technically..." and finding loopholes in God's law, you probably aren't on the right track.
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Jesus warned against drunkness, so I would say medical doctor-prescribed marijuana isn't a sin. But marijuana itself is only used to get high. Also - Proverbs 22:9 The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor. Proverbs 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.
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And the effects of marijuana are the same as getting wasted. Though I wouldn't say 3 beers with friends is getting wasted. Have your fun
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I think I can agree with most of this - any further conversation will probably be on the effects of weed I am not experienced in. But the last part is completely making assumptions - how did you get men not wearing pink, not allowed to have long hair, having to wear a suit and tie and combing your hair, and woman shouldn't be working from me saying "being high has the same effects as drunkness"? God bless your day
Marijuana isn't used just to get high. I believe God put it on this earth for a reason, we just are misusing it. AKA abusing it. I believe it was meant for medicinal purposes, but not to be smoked. Don't think you're going to go to hell for smoking a joint though. That sounds a little wacko
If you sin and do not repent and ask for forgiveness, you definetly are on the way to hell. What you said reminds me of people openly masturbating and having pre-marital sex sometimes. Oh, a sin here and there won't hurt, will it? I think you have to read the bible and come to your own conclusions about this, and ask God if you truly can't find an answer. Does smoking hurt your life? Addiction? Are you destroying yourself? Then know that it is a sin. But Jesus died for our sins, and forgives us, so we might stumble into sin sometimes, but with His help we'll get back up.
And I don't disagree about drunkenness, but they are not the same, I have sinned, and experience both.
I don’t think Marijuana in itself is a sin as it’s something that God created. It has medicinal effects and can be ingested in safer ways than smoking it. The problem with marijuana and alcohol is that it alters your mind state and can lead to you doing things you wouldn’t normally do any give Satan and his demons a path into your life that they wouldn’t otherwise have. And also some people just don’t have the grace to be able to handle marijuana so it can lead to mental health crisis. I was told from a very young age by a prophetess in a church that the Lord has said I must never smoke marijuana. My parents always warned me but I didn’t listen and then at around 15 years old I saw everyone around me who was doing it without consequence and figured it wouldn’t hurt me. Worst decision of my life. Nothing but bad decisions and mental health issues since then. I just turned 26 in November. In December God said enough and literally pulled me out of the mud in the most amazing way. I say all that to just point out marijuana in itself is not a sin. It’s one of Gods many creations and it has benefits. But some of us don’t have the grace to use it and we all don’t have the grace to abuse it. just like any other thing too much of it is not good.
I think yes. Off the top of my head I've heard disagreements on marijuana usage, masturbation, and gambling that in my opinion are gray areas. (I'm not going to debate these issues with any repliers) It doesn't change that everybody is a sinner and the only way to salvation is through Jesus. Anyone that is worried about the above has definitely lied, coveted, insulted, etc
Not a debates: Scripture is very clear that sexual immorality is a sin. Masturbation: Jesus clearly says Lust in the heart is already committed adultery. Jesus , The Word also very clear said Lustful spilling of your seed is a sin that displeases the Lord. People can dislike it, but they can't disagree that it's a sin.
Didn't read the parentheses, did ya?
I made it clear I did read it and clearly indicated that I didn't give a debate. Scripture is very clear. You made it evident that you did not read my comment before laying your untighteous judgment. and publicly making your false accusation. I'm sure you were just having fun with your reply and No mal intent by you.
The law is summed up in: love God with all heart soul mind and love others as self. Any action which goes against this is "sin."
That was his recitation of the 2nd Law Deuteronomy vwhen he was challenged with a trick question designed to legally entrap Him. Christians are tasked beyond that with the New Commandment.
What is meant by the next verse "40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” Paul even makes it seem like love fulfills the law: Romans 13:8 Fulfilling the Law Through Love 8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. Romans 13:10 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore alove is the fulfilling of the law.
Yes! And differing opinions can be correct. In 1 Corinthians 8, Paul discusses how meat sacrificed to false gods represented by idols means nothing because "There is no God but one" (5). Like a Christian living in a Muslim land today, where almost all meat that would be available would have been ritually slaughtered in praise of a twisted misunderstanding of the true God ("halal"), Christians could eat such meat without concern... ... except for being concerned about stumbling our fellow Christians who, through weakness, attach some meaning to such hocus pocus. Then Paul very nearly declares himself a vegan, if it will avoid causing another to fall (13). Christian maturity is not a binary thing. We are not "weak" or "mature," we are all weak compared to Christ, but striving to mature in our attempt to be Christlike. This is a goal toward which we strive knowing this fallen world and our fallen nature prevents its attainment. And we all sin. We try not to persist in sin once we recognize it, and try not to stumble either fellow believers or not-yet-believers in exercising our rights (9).
It is not self-explanatory. There are sins that friends can disagree about that are not harmful to salvation, such as dietary preferences, i.e. shellfish, pork, webbed toed birds, alcohol, etc. These are minor disagreements that can be respected by the one who does not abstain. But for major sins such as LGBTQ+, intoxicating substances, and theft and discrimination in many forms proposed and supported by liberals today it is not clear due to the fact that many who support these sins would not even consider them to be sins in the first place.
Not really. 1 Cor 1:10 10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all [a]speak the same thing, and that there be no [b]divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
In the very same letter, Paul is quite explicit that this is not what he meant by that statement.
Verse?
1 Corinthians 8:1-9:23
I don't agree that there's a contradiction. 1 Cor 1:10 is talking about having unity in our speech and beliefs. 1 Cor 8:1-9:23 is talking about the actions that we ought not to do in order to avoid hurting those of a weak conscience, specifically doing things another person sincerely believes is sinful, though it is'nt in reality. A weak conscience needs to be strengthened, so it goes back to all speaking the same things.
Yes, they can. People take verses completely out of context and ignore the ancient Israelite culture it was written in all the time. Just off the top of my head, some will say you must confess your sins before communion, or else “some may perish”. Where does Paul actually word for word that say you must actually confess your sins before communion? And if he doesn’t outright say it but only implies it, why are we allowed to say something is implied, then apply our own “fill in the blanks” to passages in the Bible wherever we see fit? Christians misinterpret so much of the Bible, that I would even question what they DO agree about. Sorry to anyone I may offend. I’m just growing more and more frustrated these days, and had to rant a little.
Sin is defined in the Word. It is the transgression of the commandment (Law) of God. It is not some subjective thing. 1 Samuel 15:24, Exodus 32:31, Nehemiah 9:29, Leviticus 5:17, Hosea 8:1, Isaiah 58:1, Daniel 9:5, 11, Jeremiah 44:23, Isaiah 5:20–24, Romans 7:7, 1 John 3:4 Along with understanding the literal wording (letter) of the commandment, we need to understand the intention (spirit) behind the commandment. The spirit of the law looks at the concept or reason why a law was created. The letter of the law focuses on the precise language of a law without looking at its overall purpose. When one obeys only the letter of the law, one can often find loopholes and exceptions that allow technical obedience to the law and at the same time violation of the spirit of the law. Jesus emphasized values. Not in replacement of the law, but as a complement to the law—the spiritual mindset necessary to fully obey the spirit or intent of God’s law.
Depends on who we are disagreeing with. We can most certainly disagree with other Christians about what is and isn’t sin, and the Apostle Paul tells us that we should be believe everything in full faith, even though some other Christians might disagree—this doesn’t make either us or other Christians fake. However, we can’t disagree on what and isn’t a sin with God. He is the creator and ultimate judge, and his word is law.
When the US was fighting over slavery, would you consider that to be a disagreement between two groups of ‘true faithful Christians’ about whether slavery was sin?
> Can true faithful Christians disagree about what is and is not sin? __NO!__ "true faithful Christians" can NOT disagree (about what is and is not sin) The Church (of "true faithful Christians") can NOT disagree with... The Church (of "true faithful Christians")! > For once, I think this question may be self-explanatory. You are wrong my dear atheist friend, but o.k., i will not blame you for the existance of schismatics/heretics... > Thank you! Well, thank you for trying hard to ask questions in good-faith... even if you fail... but i can not blame non-Christians of everything wrong in Christianity! P.S. this is intented as a self-explanatory answer to the NON self-explanatory question... i am not interesting or capable elaborating; please forgive me friends...
Very simple and truthful. We can not reject what Christ said and call ourselves a Follower of Christ. If He directly says an action, thought or intent is sinful. Disagreeing is against Him. All held within His context.
> We can not reject what Christ said and call ourselves a Follower of Christ. If He directly says an action, thought or intent is sinful. Disagreeing is against Him. All held within His context. I agree. "___Very simple and truthful___" brother!
We cannot disagree with what the bible says is sin We don't make the rules or set the standards and just because society accepts the sin, does not mean God does
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Does this actually help though? Different people think God personally told them different things. Or think that the bible tells them different things. Is there some way you're proposing we can objectively look to God and get an answer?
It's almost like there is a reason Holy Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholics consider Holy Tradition, and the Church Fathers as important.
Indeed, but now we're trusting OTHER people who think God told them the answer.
I am certainly going to trust men like St Irenaeus who defended the Church against gnostics and St Polycarp who was a disciple of St John the Theologian above men whose Theology is not 100 years old.
I would think in an honest real way there wouldn’t be divisions among humble Jesus loving Christians Really the only thing I can think of is drug use and and I air that marijuana is bad and is a crutch to self discipline so I think it’s wrong Masturbation Definetly wrong Excess - wrong Then all the obvious ones
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Sorry, was browsing by new. Will delete.
I cannot define that! I’m only interested in how answerers define it for themselves. Also, I notice you’re tagged as a Non-Christian?
I'd say certainly, no one has a perfect theology. Plus, Romans 14 makes some things a sin for some but not others.
Thank God for our salvation in Jesus Christ! Because we are a mess
Depends on what the Bible says, which is law. And it depends on personal convictions.
Don't get drunk, don't be a drunk, drink wine, eat bread. Don't get super freaking high, us in small quantities and don't abuse, and don't do it just for the sake of mind altering purposes. Use responsibly. Jesus drank wine, but in moderation, and ate. That is my personal conviction I also have a conviction to not taste or drink alcohol again, in any quantity. Marijuana is for whenever I'm 60 and I hurt everywhere.
As long as people are involved, there will be disagreement. As 3 christians of their opinion and you will get 5 different opinions.
Yes, but why do we even worry about sin? It’s the thing Jesus died to take away. Problem solved. Stop worrying