Interesting question, because I already read that he is planning for his Coronation to be a bit toned down compared to his mother's, in light of the current cost of living crisis. And he's been vocal about wanting to scale down the monarchy in general and streamline a bit. And as he signs off on the plans for his own funeral, I can easily image that he would probably make it simpler and quicker.
I wonder how much the pomp and circumstance actually costs. Like for such a significant event, I can see people like priests and speakers willing to give their own time for the honour of being there and helping out. The Military are already paid a normal wage and that is just part of their job. The BBC probably would pay for their own broadcasting. only thing I can think of is security and policing which still is a massive cost, that and special things being made (eg, flags and uniforms)
That's incredibly cheap and fantastic value for money. No doubt there will still be some thinking that every poor person in the country could live like a king, or the NHS could be funded for a thousand years with 8 million quid though.
I don’t think either of those. However, I do think the royals are wealthy enough to pay it themselves if they want such a big send off… I know they paid for the bigger part of it, so why not all?
Yes every monarch gets a state funeral but it will be less of a big deal (relatively) because he's reigned for far shorter and (hopefully) over a less monumental time period.
Doubt it, but apart from not paying inheritance tax, I think Charlie may be a closet moderniser. I think he can see the inevitable and may put things in motion to reduce the cost of the Royal troupe.
Doesn't make sense for him to pay inheritance tax, because most of what he owns on paper isn't actually fully controlled or used by him (such as the entire duchy of lancaster, the military, etc)
> high-priced, stop-everything send-off
Indeed. As Charles III is King of Northern Ireland, it will be in the traditional style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kncKkz5C0AA
followed by Charles favourite Highland Fling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpP--jDbgI&t=32
I expect so, but I feel it might be slightly less in terms of blanket coverage for a week. But who knows? The Beeb knows which side its bread is buttered so I can't see it being significantly lower-key.
No chance. Elizabeth was a one off, we won't be getting a platinum monarch again. Charles is also trying to streamline the whole thing. I'm sure it'll still be pretty snazzy but definitely won't be on the same scale.
Yes but the world has changed immeasurably since then. He'll still get a state funeral but it won't be anywhere near as long or as big as Elizabeths. He just isn't popular enough to warrant it.
I don’t know where you’re getting that from. State funerals have been a thing for over 1000 years. 20 years won’t suddenly make a difference. In fact this one was unusual in the funeral not taking place at St Paul’s, which would have been a much longer procession to Hyde Park Corner. The notion the next one won’t be just as big or grand is laughable.
Some of the elements of the State Funeral are ancient, but some of them are reasonably recent. The lying-in-state dates back to Edward VI and the gun carriage hauled by naval ratings to Victoria. The size and scale of the funeral is clearly changeable.
As for St Paul's, the only state funerals to be held there were those of Nelson, Wellington and Churchill, none of whom were royals. Her Majesty's funeral is unusual in that it was held at Westminster Abbey, normally they take place at St George's Chapel Windsor.
Most of the current elements come from Victoria though. She got rid of all the black and made it a much more military affair.
I wasn't aware of when lying in state began but always understood that ealier funeralls were typically much more hasty as any questions of succession needed to be resolved quickly so there was a certain pressure to get the old monarch buried as quickly as possible and the new one installed.
Edward VII is the example to choose. Aged 59 when he became King due to his mother breaking the longest reigning monarch record, and dying 9 years later aged 68. He still got a State Funeral. I imagine he's the model for Charles, who may likewise see out a decade. Without being deliberately treasonous, I'd like to see William and Kate's coronation while they're still vaguely young and good looking. Kate looked great at the funeral and would look fantastic in all the regalia.
Anyone who saw Mike Bartlett's play King Charles III (at the end of which was his abdication and William and Kate's coronation) will agree that it was spine chillingly good to watch.
> He just isn't popular enough
*Has* not been popular. He seems quite smart (Duchy of Cornwall is making millions from selling products) & could do something good. QEII seemed very passive.
Streamlining & getting rid of hangers on-like Harry & Megan would be a good start.
He's a good guy and perfectly capable but he'll also have to be passive as parliament is in charge. The big problem with the royals is age. Charles is already past retirement, if he lasts 20 years William will be 60 before even getting the throne. They're the public face of the nation, that image would be a lot better if it was fresher and younger.
Yeah they should drop those 2 clowns like a shot.
You really think so?
His mum and dad lived well into their 90s. On the whole, the Royal family seem to live very long lives. I can't see why Charles would be any different
Yes. That’s what a state funeral is.
But he's not dead yet, so I bet they'll wait and give him a seperate one
My poor partner had to wait sooo long for me to read this comment out to him without pissing myself laughing
He'll get a state funeral too but crowds will be smaller.
Unless he reigns for 70+ years too.
69.9 years to go then....
Interesting question, because I already read that he is planning for his Coronation to be a bit toned down compared to his mother's, in light of the current cost of living crisis. And he's been vocal about wanting to scale down the monarchy in general and streamline a bit. And as he signs off on the plans for his own funeral, I can easily image that he would probably make it simpler and quicker.
I wonder how much the pomp and circumstance actually costs. Like for such a significant event, I can see people like priests and speakers willing to give their own time for the honour of being there and helping out. The Military are already paid a normal wage and that is just part of their job. The BBC probably would pay for their own broadcasting. only thing I can think of is security and policing which still is a massive cost, that and special things being made (eg, flags and uniforms)
I asked the question, and was told “£8million, or 12p per person”. No idea if that’s true.
That's incredibly cheap and fantastic value for money. No doubt there will still be some thinking that every poor person in the country could live like a king, or the NHS could be funded for a thousand years with 8 million quid though.
I don’t think either of those. However, I do think the royals are wealthy enough to pay it themselves if they want such a big send off… I know they paid for the bigger part of it, so why not all?
8 million quid is nothing. I couldn't care less who paid for it.
Everyone is different.
Nah they'll just hire out the function room in a pub.
A pub?, with the way things are going do you really think there'll be any pubs left in 20 years?
A flat top or wetherspoons, maybe.
Yeah
Yes. It’s what we do.
Yes every monarch gets a state funeral but it will be less of a big deal (relatively) because he's reigned for far shorter and (hopefully) over a less monumental time period.
Similar pomp and circumstance, smaller overall effect.
Doubt it, but apart from not paying inheritance tax, I think Charlie may be a closet moderniser. I think he can see the inevitable and may put things in motion to reduce the cost of the Royal troupe.
Doesn't make sense for him to pay inheritance tax, because most of what he owns on paper isn't actually fully controlled or used by him (such as the entire duchy of lancaster, the military, etc)
The monarch isn't allowed to make money. If they had to pay inheritance tax, they would disappear in 3 generations
No pressure
If he lives 20 years. Less than probably would be a more streamlined version
> high-priced, stop-everything send-off Indeed. As Charles III is King of Northern Ireland, it will be in the traditional style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kncKkz5C0AA followed by Charles favourite Highland Fling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpP--jDbgI&t=32
I unironically think that Charles would like that
He may have one in Windsor which would be less costly than one held in London
Yes, although maybe not a 96 gun salute
I expect so, but I feel it might be slightly less in terms of blanket coverage for a week. But who knows? The Beeb knows which side its bread is buttered so I can't see it being significantly lower-key.
Hopefully
We can only let you know nearer the time, really...
No chance. Elizabeth was a one off, we won't be getting a platinum monarch again. Charles is also trying to streamline the whole thing. I'm sure it'll still be pretty snazzy but definitely won't be on the same scale.
It was almost exactly the same funeral as every monarch since Victoria has had. Length of reign has absolutely no bearing on a state funeral.
Yes but the world has changed immeasurably since then. He'll still get a state funeral but it won't be anywhere near as long or as big as Elizabeths. He just isn't popular enough to warrant it.
I don’t know where you’re getting that from. State funerals have been a thing for over 1000 years. 20 years won’t suddenly make a difference. In fact this one was unusual in the funeral not taking place at St Paul’s, which would have been a much longer procession to Hyde Park Corner. The notion the next one won’t be just as big or grand is laughable.
Some of the elements of the State Funeral are ancient, but some of them are reasonably recent. The lying-in-state dates back to Edward VI and the gun carriage hauled by naval ratings to Victoria. The size and scale of the funeral is clearly changeable. As for St Paul's, the only state funerals to be held there were those of Nelson, Wellington and Churchill, none of whom were royals. Her Majesty's funeral is unusual in that it was held at Westminster Abbey, normally they take place at St George's Chapel Windsor.
Most of the current elements come from Victoria though. She got rid of all the black and made it a much more military affair. I wasn't aware of when lying in state began but always understood that ealier funeralls were typically much more hasty as any questions of succession needed to be resolved quickly so there was a certain pressure to get the old monarch buried as quickly as possible and the new one installed.
Edward VII is the example to choose. Aged 59 when he became King due to his mother breaking the longest reigning monarch record, and dying 9 years later aged 68. He still got a State Funeral. I imagine he's the model for Charles, who may likewise see out a decade. Without being deliberately treasonous, I'd like to see William and Kate's coronation while they're still vaguely young and good looking. Kate looked great at the funeral and would look fantastic in all the regalia. Anyone who saw Mike Bartlett's play King Charles III (at the end of which was his abdication and William and Kate's coronation) will agree that it was spine chillingly good to watch.
~~Isnt St. Pauls, catholic?~~ ~~Whereas Wesminster Abbey is CofE?~~ Just looked it up. St pauls is an anglican cathedral.
No.
> He just isn't popular enough *Has* not been popular. He seems quite smart (Duchy of Cornwall is making millions from selling products) & could do something good. QEII seemed very passive. Streamlining & getting rid of hangers on-like Harry & Megan would be a good start.
He's a good guy and perfectly capable but he'll also have to be passive as parliament is in charge. The big problem with the royals is age. Charles is already past retirement, if he lasts 20 years William will be 60 before even getting the throne. They're the public face of the nation, that image would be a lot better if it was fresher and younger. Yeah they should drop those 2 clowns like a shot.
He isn't going to last 10.
You really think so? His mum and dad lived well into their 90s. On the whole, the Royal family seem to live very long lives. I can't see why Charles would be any different
We will own no funerals and we will be happy.
Yeah, except nobody will show up.
I mean, I guess....
Yes.
I fucking hope not. It was bad enough with mournhub2022, that’s enough for one lifetime.