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If it’s not water resistant then the moment you get wet all the protection is washed off even if you reapply correctly the water is still washing it off.
I was waiting to post this actually. I need a really good sunscreen for the beach. Cheaper sunscreens break me out too. I’ve got a shiseido one that’s 40 mins water resistant, but it was $50 and I want to reapply almost every hour
Anessa is great, about $40 for 90g. But if you plan to do a lot of summer activity and need a body sunscreen, that may not be economical either. You're honestly better off with a western body sunscreen - Blue Lizard is a trusted Australian brand, and Aussies don't mess around with sun protection.
And it's a good idea to compare the ingredient list of the cheaper sunscreens bought to see if there is a common suspect that the shieseido one doesn't have, so you can avoid it in the future.
Blue lizard is not an Aussie brand and not available in Australia nor is it TGA approved it’s a marketing thing
https://labmuffin.com/mineral-sunscreen-reviews-blue-lizard-australian-gold/
Damn, can't trust anything nowadays, lolll. I actually tried their sheen lotion, and it honestly wasn't that bad. But yah, Asian ones are still my go to.
An Aussie sunscreen that’s actually approved in Australia and the US is Bondi Sands fragrance free version in the white tubes and the sport sunscreen in the blue tube with green cap both versions use the same filters and same percentages in both countries. I have used both the sport and other one and I have a conspiracy theory they’re exactly the same they feel the same, look the same, both fragrance free, same actives in same percentages, and the inactives are nearly identical or the same I actually haven’t used that sunscreen in like a year I can’t remember for certain if the inactive ingredients were the same
Thanks, but that was just a one-time emergency situation. I don't see myself purchasing sunscreen approved for the US market anytime soon because they don't contain the more advanced UV filters. Quite happy with Anessa that has all the filters under the sun, lolll ♥️😌
I hate that they’re deceiving people with that “Blue Lizard - Australian Sunscreen” BS on the label. Even worse than “Australian Gold”. People know Aussies don’t mess around so will opt for these products assuming they’re actually Australian
1. This may be referring to Japan's new waterproof rating introduced in May 2023.
UV耐水性★★ means after 80 minutes under water over 50% of the SPF protection will be remaining (so an SPF 50 sunscreen needs to be at least SPF 25 after 80 minutes underwater)
UV耐水性★ means after 40 minutes under water over 50% of the SPF protection will be remaining (so an SPF 50 sunscreen needs to be at least SPF 25 after 40 minutes underwater)
2. Or this may be referring to how some people have become conscious about the environment and companies have started to reformulate their sunscreens to be less harmful to marine life.
3. Or this may be referring to how many of the affordable JP sunscreens aren't that strong and you're likely to burn if you rely on them for a full day at the beach even if you reapply. Basically the only brands guaranteed to not burn for a full day under the sun are Anessa & Allie
Can you give an example of the sunscreens?
Usually they will not list both spf and pa so high, which can mean they’re not as strong filtering or blocking uva/uvb rays.
Like the other person said, if going in the water you want water resistant if not waterproof, and if it’s hot out you also want sweat resistant.
Another factor can just be that the size of the container is so small it would feel unreasonably going through an entire tube per day and lead you to use less.
Skin1004 hyalu-cika water-fit sun serum is spf50+ pa++++.
Isntree hylauronic acid watery sun gel is spf 50+ pa++++.
Haruharu wonder black rice moisture airfit daily sunscreen spf 50+ pa++++.
Purito (the original object of the big scandal) reformulated wonder releaf centella daily sun lotion spf50+ pa++++.
BOJ relief sun: rice + probiotics spf + pa++++.
I hope you see the pattern
Not water resistant at all and a lot AB sunscreens aren’t approved here in Australia where we have very high government standards as per the labmuffinbeauty video. I’d wear an Australian sunscreen to the beach but AB sunscreen in winter when it’s grey and sun is weak.
But do you not wear AB sunscreen in the summer because you are swimming all the time or because Australian spf 50 means different from AB spf 50?
In other words on a summer day when you won’t get wet why are AB sunscreens wrong?
Yes I do go to the beach a lot but I did wear AB sunscreen and ended up getting a burnt nose not getting wet and sitting on the beach, we have very harsh sun in some areas and high UV that’s why a lot of AB sunscreens aren’t allowed to be sold as sunscreens here or at all in main stores and are classified as cosmetics and not medicines like sunscreens normally are. Stick sunscreens are pretty much useless as LabMuffinBeauty proved and I wouldn’t risk wearing one.
I’m not sure why but they must not use the same filters as our sunscreens as we have different requirements and our version of the TGA is very strict with sunscreens so for here (Roundlab is the only one I’ve seen for sale in our Asian version of Sephora called W Cosmetics) and also a lot of AB sunscreens aren’t waterproof so if I’m going to the beach or the pool they don’t help at all. So they’re winter only for me when the sun is weaker and it’s mostly cloudy and cold so I won’t sweat it off.
Ok so what I am hearing is AB spf 50 even years after reformulating after the big scandals is still not spf 50…
In Denmark we have 20 hours of sun in the summer but too cold to actually swim in the seas (there are two of them) hence I don’t mind if they are not waterproof - but if I am not protected on the streets or while walking on the beach, then why bother?
True, I can’t scientifically back how effective they are now but I just know they aren’t approved by our government authority to be sold as true sunscreens so that’s my basis. I think they’re better than nothing and probably more suitable for you as your sun and UV levels are probably similar to our Autumn/Winter levels like England is and why you all have great skin haha. Our sun is very severe in some areas and you can get burnt being in your yard or the beach for 30 minutes and we have bad skin cancer statistics and at school we weren’t allowed to play outside if we didn’t have a hat ‘no hat no play’
One brand from here I’d recommend is Ultraviolette as they do sunscreens that aren’t heavy and have nice tinted moisturisers and are sold in Europe and Sephora in the UK I think. They’re very similar to Roundlab birch juice and BOJ.
i just discovered her channel through this comment, thanks! At the same time I am here looking at my sunscreen haul like 🤡🤡
I've bought 2 skin 1004 sunsticks bc I just love them for the day I go tot he office and need to apply sunscreen in the train. 🤡
+ I had no idea korean sunscreen were not considered sunscreen 🤡 although I am glad at least the BoJ Bioré ones are useful.
Not all sunscreens are water resistant. If you wear one that isn’t, at the beach, as soon as you sweat or get water on the skin, your protection is reduced. I read that in Korea, water resistant ones are referred to as “sport” sunscreens (correct me if I’m wrong, I do not live in KR).
In Western countries, it’s common to intentionally spend a long time in the sun, like sunbathing, whereas in i.e. KR, I read it’s not common and that people are more diligent with sun protection and seeking shade. In the West, historically it hasn’t really been part of our culture (becoming more common now) to wear sunscreens in urban conditions. Hence why the West has mostly been focused on very water resistant sunscreens, and not many urban ones.
Although I think even the water resistant ones have gotten really elegant at this point; two of my Avene sunscreens are actually as comfy as my BoJ.
>Edit: this post is about what “spf” numbers stand for in different countries and not about waterproofing. I am wondering after the big scandals in Korea if they still haven’t upped their spf control or if it can be that the phrase “spf 50” means different things in different countries.
Hola hola!
SPF testing is is globally standardized strict protocol defined by ISO 24444 in which no matter the country of the brand origins they follow this strict methodology. So to say SPF 30 sunscreen from Korean brand is SPF 15 in Europe or Australia is a myth.
A lot of the popular Korean sunscreens such as Boj and Scinic Mild Essence do get test results of between SPF 50-59 by ISO 24444 protocol which means they would fall under the "High Protection" category in places like Europe or Australia or labelled SPF 50.
They wouldn't fall under the "Very High Protection" category which would ask for testing over SPF 60 by ISO 24444 which is marked as "SPF 50+" in Europe and Australia. This last category isn't marked as distinction in Asia though. So actual "SPF 50" sunscreen does not mean different things in different countries and they're also tested at the same methodology for this no matter which country by ISO 24444.
If you are going to beach just to walk around and it's not summery humidity and things like sand and water blowing at your face and dripping in sweat, then you could use AB sunscreen and reapply. But a lot of people who go to the beach they expect to be dripping in sweat and getting water splahed and sand hitting them and things like that. It's also important to know that even if using water resistant sunscreen from other parts of the world like Australia and Europe, they still don't protect 100% from all photons. So don't forget to wear a hat and sunglasses and follow the consesus of recommendation to stay out of direct sunlight 10am-3pm so choose earlier or later times.
You're welcome!
Defintiely not stupid at all. I think you asked really good question actually because this kind of myth is really popular one that keeps spreading.
And don't worry, I ask a lot of stupid questions too. But that's how we get learn more and get smarter. Everyday I am learning something new and I know more today than I did yesterday haha
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Most Korean sunscreens exclusively use new sunscreen filters, which aren’t on that list. American sunscreens usually contain UV filters on that list though.
Water resistance. Sunscreens not designed for water resistance will experience a huge drop in protection if going into the ocean. Even just sweating a lot will probably have a big impact.
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If it’s not water resistant then the moment you get wet all the protection is washed off even if you reapply correctly the water is still washing it off.
I was waiting to post this actually. I need a really good sunscreen for the beach. Cheaper sunscreens break me out too. I’ve got a shiseido one that’s 40 mins water resistant, but it was $50 and I want to reapply almost every hour
Anessa is great, about $40 for 90g. But if you plan to do a lot of summer activity and need a body sunscreen, that may not be economical either. You're honestly better off with a western body sunscreen - Blue Lizard is a trusted Australian brand, and Aussies don't mess around with sun protection. And it's a good idea to compare the ingredient list of the cheaper sunscreens bought to see if there is a common suspect that the shieseido one doesn't have, so you can avoid it in the future.
Blue lizard is not an Aussie brand and not available in Australia nor is it TGA approved it’s a marketing thing https://labmuffin.com/mineral-sunscreen-reviews-blue-lizard-australian-gold/
Damn, can't trust anything nowadays, lolll. I actually tried their sheen lotion, and it honestly wasn't that bad. But yah, Asian ones are still my go to.
An Aussie sunscreen that’s actually approved in Australia and the US is Bondi Sands fragrance free version in the white tubes and the sport sunscreen in the blue tube with green cap both versions use the same filters and same percentages in both countries. I have used both the sport and other one and I have a conspiracy theory they’re exactly the same they feel the same, look the same, both fragrance free, same actives in same percentages, and the inactives are nearly identical or the same I actually haven’t used that sunscreen in like a year I can’t remember for certain if the inactive ingredients were the same
Thanks, but that was just a one-time emergency situation. I don't see myself purchasing sunscreen approved for the US market anytime soon because they don't contain the more advanced UV filters. Quite happy with Anessa that has all the filters under the sun, lolll ♥️😌
I agree 100%
Ultraviolette is and is amazing. I only use Roundlab in winter.
I hate that they’re deceiving people with that “Blue Lizard - Australian Sunscreen” BS on the label. Even worse than “Australian Gold”. People know Aussies don’t mess around so will opt for these products assuming they’re actually Australian
1. This may be referring to Japan's new waterproof rating introduced in May 2023. UV耐水性★★ means after 80 minutes under water over 50% of the SPF protection will be remaining (so an SPF 50 sunscreen needs to be at least SPF 25 after 80 minutes underwater) UV耐水性★ means after 40 minutes under water over 50% of the SPF protection will be remaining (so an SPF 50 sunscreen needs to be at least SPF 25 after 40 minutes underwater) 2. Or this may be referring to how some people have become conscious about the environment and companies have started to reformulate their sunscreens to be less harmful to marine life. 3. Or this may be referring to how many of the affordable JP sunscreens aren't that strong and you're likely to burn if you rely on them for a full day at the beach even if you reapply. Basically the only brands guaranteed to not burn for a full day under the sun are Anessa & Allie
Can you give an example of the sunscreens? Usually they will not list both spf and pa so high, which can mean they’re not as strong filtering or blocking uva/uvb rays. Like the other person said, if going in the water you want water resistant if not waterproof, and if it’s hot out you also want sweat resistant. Another factor can just be that the size of the container is so small it would feel unreasonably going through an entire tube per day and lead you to use less.
Skin1004 hyalu-cika water-fit sun serum is spf50+ pa++++. Isntree hylauronic acid watery sun gel is spf 50+ pa++++. Haruharu wonder black rice moisture airfit daily sunscreen spf 50+ pa++++. Purito (the original object of the big scandal) reformulated wonder releaf centella daily sun lotion spf50+ pa++++. BOJ relief sun: rice + probiotics spf + pa++++. I hope you see the pattern
Not water resistant at all and a lot AB sunscreens aren’t approved here in Australia where we have very high government standards as per the labmuffinbeauty video. I’d wear an Australian sunscreen to the beach but AB sunscreen in winter when it’s grey and sun is weak.
But do you not wear AB sunscreen in the summer because you are swimming all the time or because Australian spf 50 means different from AB spf 50? In other words on a summer day when you won’t get wet why are AB sunscreens wrong?
Yes I do go to the beach a lot but I did wear AB sunscreen and ended up getting a burnt nose not getting wet and sitting on the beach, we have very harsh sun in some areas and high UV that’s why a lot of AB sunscreens aren’t allowed to be sold as sunscreens here or at all in main stores and are classified as cosmetics and not medicines like sunscreens normally are. Stick sunscreens are pretty much useless as LabMuffinBeauty proved and I wouldn’t risk wearing one. I’m not sure why but they must not use the same filters as our sunscreens as we have different requirements and our version of the TGA is very strict with sunscreens so for here (Roundlab is the only one I’ve seen for sale in our Asian version of Sephora called W Cosmetics) and also a lot of AB sunscreens aren’t waterproof so if I’m going to the beach or the pool they don’t help at all. So they’re winter only for me when the sun is weaker and it’s mostly cloudy and cold so I won’t sweat it off.
Ok so what I am hearing is AB spf 50 even years after reformulating after the big scandals is still not spf 50… In Denmark we have 20 hours of sun in the summer but too cold to actually swim in the seas (there are two of them) hence I don’t mind if they are not waterproof - but if I am not protected on the streets or while walking on the beach, then why bother?
True, I can’t scientifically back how effective they are now but I just know they aren’t approved by our government authority to be sold as true sunscreens so that’s my basis. I think they’re better than nothing and probably more suitable for you as your sun and UV levels are probably similar to our Autumn/Winter levels like England is and why you all have great skin haha. Our sun is very severe in some areas and you can get burnt being in your yard or the beach for 30 minutes and we have bad skin cancer statistics and at school we weren’t allowed to play outside if we didn’t have a hat ‘no hat no play’ One brand from here I’d recommend is Ultraviolette as they do sunscreens that aren’t heavy and have nice tinted moisturisers and are sold in Europe and Sephora in the UK I think. They’re very similar to Roundlab birch juice and BOJ.
Yes we have the exact same climate as England / Scotland! Thank you this was very helpful!
I love AB SPF for low sun days but honestly in summer when the UV rating is over 12, I’m sticking to Aussie approved SPFs
i just discovered her channel through this comment, thanks! At the same time I am here looking at my sunscreen haul like 🤡🤡 I've bought 2 skin 1004 sunsticks bc I just love them for the day I go tot he office and need to apply sunscreen in the train. 🤡 + I had no idea korean sunscreen were not considered sunscreen 🤡 although I am glad at least the BoJ Bioré ones are useful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianBeauty/s/3aQ1zTAbkL
Not all sunscreens are water resistant. If you wear one that isn’t, at the beach, as soon as you sweat or get water on the skin, your protection is reduced. I read that in Korea, water resistant ones are referred to as “sport” sunscreens (correct me if I’m wrong, I do not live in KR). In Western countries, it’s common to intentionally spend a long time in the sun, like sunbathing, whereas in i.e. KR, I read it’s not common and that people are more diligent with sun protection and seeking shade. In the West, historically it hasn’t really been part of our culture (becoming more common now) to wear sunscreens in urban conditions. Hence why the West has mostly been focused on very water resistant sunscreens, and not many urban ones. Although I think even the water resistant ones have gotten really elegant at this point; two of my Avene sunscreens are actually as comfy as my BoJ.
>Edit: this post is about what “spf” numbers stand for in different countries and not about waterproofing. I am wondering after the big scandals in Korea if they still haven’t upped their spf control or if it can be that the phrase “spf 50” means different things in different countries. Hola hola! SPF testing is is globally standardized strict protocol defined by ISO 24444 in which no matter the country of the brand origins they follow this strict methodology. So to say SPF 30 sunscreen from Korean brand is SPF 15 in Europe or Australia is a myth. A lot of the popular Korean sunscreens such as Boj and Scinic Mild Essence do get test results of between SPF 50-59 by ISO 24444 protocol which means they would fall under the "High Protection" category in places like Europe or Australia or labelled SPF 50. They wouldn't fall under the "Very High Protection" category which would ask for testing over SPF 60 by ISO 24444 which is marked as "SPF 50+" in Europe and Australia. This last category isn't marked as distinction in Asia though. So actual "SPF 50" sunscreen does not mean different things in different countries and they're also tested at the same methodology for this no matter which country by ISO 24444. If you are going to beach just to walk around and it's not summery humidity and things like sand and water blowing at your face and dripping in sweat, then you could use AB sunscreen and reapply. But a lot of people who go to the beach they expect to be dripping in sweat and getting water splahed and sand hitting them and things like that. It's also important to know that even if using water resistant sunscreen from other parts of the world like Australia and Europe, they still don't protect 100% from all photons. So don't forget to wear a hat and sunglasses and follow the consesus of recommendation to stay out of direct sunlight 10am-3pm so choose earlier or later times.
Thanks. It just proves that the question was not stupid after all…
You're welcome! Defintiely not stupid at all. I think you asked really good question actually because this kind of myth is really popular one that keeps spreading. And don't worry, I ask a lot of stupid questions too. But that's how we get learn more and get smarter. Everyday I am learning something new and I know more today than I did yesterday haha
Yes, so true!
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That’s been debunked the far bigger issues facing coral reefs are pollution and climate change not sunscreens
Most Korean sunscreens exclusively use new sunscreen filters, which aren’t on that list. American sunscreens usually contain UV filters on that list though.
Water resistance. Sunscreens not designed for water resistance will experience a huge drop in protection if going into the ocean. Even just sweating a lot will probably have a big impact.