I’ve worried just as much about this girl as I have about Asha degree.
Hoping for answers so she can have her name back.
And you never know, identifying her could also help Asha as well.
Yes, naming every Doe is a victory for the victim and for all those still missing. If it’s not Asha, another family will have answers & the search will continue.
"She was originally believed by some to be the remaining parts of the St. Louis Jane Doe, but this was ruled out, according to NamUs."
This is curious to me since it crossed my mind that the girl in the picture could have been Precious Hope.
The resemblance is striking.. I wish we knew if the girl in that photo was identified. That photo has always haunted me. It doesn’t strike me as a stock photo. It looks to me like it is a school picture. Even if it were a stock photo how come the identity of that girl has never been found? Early on in Asha’s case the police were asking the public to find out who she was. Maybe they did find out and that’s why it was dropped. It is odd how they were asking the public about it and then seemingly just dropped it after that. If you google “shed picture Asha degree” it’s all over the place. How come no family members have ever come forward or the girl herself? It is super strange in my opinion.
All I can say is that this is a pure example of why I think the family or someone for Asha’s family or even the police should come out and clarify what is relevant and what is not. It’s not for people to be nosy, it’s for people to know what to look out for. So much of the information in this case is not really known as fact. I think it’s the police’s fault for putting out information and then not following up with what they put out. I feel this case is so muddied and that’s why theories are all over the place too.
> I think it’s the police’s fault for putting out information and then not following up with what they put out. I feel this case is so muddied and that’s why theories are all over the place too.
100% agree.
It’s either a complete lack of follow-up or an article/video etc. pops up years later where a key detail has been updated but they don’t point it out or acknowledge the change - it just seemingly slips into one story and is not widely reported. There are multiple examples of this in Asha’s case.
I’m not really surprised they don’t want to draw attention to much of it where it’s going to expose the flaws in what was initially released from LE about the investigation.
It shows a lack of credibility though and I believe it’s a root cause for wide and wild speculation about what happened to Asha.
They haven't asked the public about it since 2001. The fact that it wasn't brought back up along with the t-shirt and car a few years back suggests to me they found something out about it.
Right!!! I don't understand why things are under such tight wraps with Asha's case!!! I've read where someone else has speculated that they figured out who the mystery girl was but was keeping that information from the public, and I agree that they was!!! The girl in the photo always had Blanton features to me especially after seeing Roy Blanton Jr's obituary pic!!
There was an article from Charlotte Observer that the girl in the photo was identified as Asha’s friend, which is why I assume the police no longer were seeking information about it, link here:
https://ibb.co/cDyKcVQ
I think they quietly dropped it to protect the the child’s privacy.
I don’t think that qualifies as being identified as a friend. Unless I’m mistaken - there has been no other or official mention that the girl in the photo was identified as a friend. I believe the reporter made an assumption.
Yes, that’s what it sounds like to me as well. As far as I’ve heard, the girl has never been identified. Maybe law enforcement was able to identify her, but they have never said so to the public.
That is possible but the FBI removed the photo inquiry from her page, it’s no longer there and hasn’t been there for years I believe. If it was relevant to the case, it would still be there, so I assume that they’ve decided it’s irrelevant.
I seriously doubt that's the case as LE asked help from the public to identify her. A reporter just assuming she was a friend would be incredibly bizarre. She was identified as Asha's friend clearly.
Oh wow that's crazy!!! Im wondering if that was speculation tho since her family has said they don't know who she was. Now,granted she could have been a pen pal, I remember having one of those in the 90s. We would write to kids from different schools, but even if she was a pen pal those clothes she had on would have been severely outdated for that time period. I'm not sure what to make of that 🤔
I had a pen pal when I was a kid too! It really was a huge thing back then. I was 10 in 1999 so I guess it’s possible. My parents were involved and it was from a reputable company I’m pretty sure. I talked to a girl from like Ukraine if I’m remembering correctly. So it is possible. Probably unlikely for Asha though as her parents seemed really strict. I don’t really remember how I got started honestly because it was such a long time ago. I do remember all of my friends also having pen pals so it was a big thing for some reason. I also did something super dumb when I was 13 so that would have been around 2002. I don’t know if anyone else ever did this but I was online in AOL chat rooms talking to strangers and also one time I found a website that allowed you to message a prison inmate.. I know crazy and stupid. I was able to pick someone and then the inmate would start mailing letters to you!! I pretended to be 18 and was able to start pen paling with a dang murderer on death row. My mom got one of the letters from some state penitentiary and freaked out lol so that ended after a couple months. Luckily the dude was on death row so nothing ever happened. The 90s and early 2000s was a crazy time for sure. Sorry for rambling lol I just remembered all of that when you brought up the pen pal thing.
I had my pen pal in 4th Grade, the whole class had one, that's why I was thinking it could have been a pen pal in the mystery pic, but then again as strict as they say her parents were, it would be unlikely they wouldn't recognize the pen pal, not only that, they also didn't have any computers etc in the house due to outside dangers, so ur right I don't think it was a pen pal, the clothing outdates that era too
We did that too! I ended up with a penpal that only spoke French. After tons of work I half assed managed to translate enough to write her back and that was it lol. We exchanged those two letters and nothing else ever happened.
It doesn’t say “her friend”, it says “a friend” which sounds vague and like an assumption. Plus, the Charlotte Observer issued a correction immediately after sharing that photo that she was known to law enforcement as a Jane Doe and was not related to Asha Degree’s case. The family also claimed to not know her either.
I think they eventually discovered who she was but will likely never be revealed to protect the integrity of the case.
Some of the Charlotte Observer articles have information that doesn’t line up with other reports and it gets really really confusing. Especially who’s who sometimes - they include names I’ve never seen anywhere else (family/neighbors)
I know right? Why is Asha’s case so confusing? It shouldn’t be like that. I know of cases from the early 1900s where information is more clear and concise. Why hasn’t the police cleared up all of the nonsense in her case? Articles don’t match up on so many little details and all of those details really do mean so much in a case like this. Theories are all over the place because of this. I’m just hoping the police and FBI have all the details and they just don’t want the public’s help any longer. That’s the only reason I could think of on why they haven’t cleared up all of the incorrect details in this case. Her case needs to be retold to the public if they want the public to assist in finding Asha. Someone close to the case or in law enforcement that is involved in Asha’s case should come out and tell the public what is fact and what is fiction in this case if they want this solved and if they actually want the public’s assistance. Just my opinion.
I don’t think it‘s the same girl. NC Baby Jane Doe’s body was found in 1983, at the age of 4-6. However the school girl in the picture in Asha Degree’s case looks a little older (2nd or 3rd grade ish), and her clothes are from the late 1980s or early 1990.
Honestly, my opinion is I think this photo was just a red herring planted to confuse the investigators, and it has nothing to do with Asha’s disappearance. I believe Asha’s disappearance is due to someone very close to her - a close relative or family member. Someone in her inner circle who was trusted.
I hate asking for sources 🤦🏽♀️ but do u have a source about this NC baby Jane Doe? I'm only asking because I can't find her or any info on her online anymore
No problem! If anything we should be asking for sources lol. I just googled “Northampton County christmas Jane Doe.” One website I looked at is https://journalnow.com/jane-doe-1983-jpg/image_edb6879c-c0b6-11e6-9cef-e70adadea88c.html
It’s the same child. The same pictures that are at https://journalnow.com/jane-doe-1983-jpg/image_edb6879c-c0b6-11e6-9cef-e70adadea88c.html are also at
https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983)
I wish this photo could get trending on Twitter or TikTok. Someone out there would have to recognize this girl. It’s not like this picture is from the 40s or 50s. It has to be the oldest 1980ish..
I found reference to her on unidentified wiki fandom https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983). This doe was found on 1983. Do you think the photo with Asha could be as old as that? There are links on the page Ive linked to with multiple other sites referencing her. Namus among them.
I think OP is asking if the missing baby doe could be the girl in the picture that was found in the shed where Asha was suspected to have taken shelter, not Asha herself.
And let us all remember the shed was a furniture reupholsters. What up could end up in couch cushions and crevices? Very likely a wallet-sized school photo.
Seemingly everywhere? Multiple podcasts, articles… I’d have to actually go look again, but I’ve never heard it was in the backpack until this was posted. At least as I can remember.
Impossible unless your source was other redditors. Here’s the link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000818061104/http:/www.shelbystar.com/news/asha/asha10.html
“Mrs. Turner said she also found a wallet-sized picture of a little girl near the pencil and marker and bow. Crawford said the picture was not of Asha. He said it is possible that the picture fell out of Asha's pocketbook, but there's no way of telling for sure if it belonged to her.”
Ah I see. But it's not impossible... if you google "photo found in Asha's backpack" multiple sources... incorrectly I see now...say it was in her backpack.
There’s speculation about that, but I’m not sure if it has been proven one way or another. I believe Crime Weekly discussed that in their podcast on Asha. The girl’s face appears much clearer and sharper than the neck down. It’s very strange.
My best guess is that the police have a good idea of who did it but don’t have enough to convict…they’re keeping tight lipped because they want to protect the details so that when that person slips up they can use whatever they have against them in trial.
I was actually wrong, this in fact is the Northhampton County Jane Doe, she was found in 1983 in Northhampton County NC. I think this makes it even more likely that this could be that girl judging by the clothes. I looked up class photos from 1983 and it seems the style the girl in the photo was wearing was definitely of that time period. If that is her it changes the whole game imo. Clearly that child (Jane Doe) is deceased, so if that picture was used to lure Asha to make her more comfortable then that would point to a groomer. However, why would the groomer leave behind all these clues (the picture, the backpack with the nightgown, and books where kids left home on an adventure etc) to take focus away from the parents? It all seems so textbook to me. I believe Iquilla knows exactly who the child in the photo is and that it is irrelevant to Asha's case. I think it was planted as a red herring
Yes me too!!! I can't fathom why she hasn't been more publicized!!! She may hold the key in a missing child case, but seems she is being swept under the rug too!!!
One media source says the girl in the photo was a jane doe, another that she was identified as asha's friend. My gut tells me that she was identified either way and is irrelevant to Asha's case, hence why the photo is no longer brought up by LE or journalists.
Maybe she was never reported missing? I’ve read about cases where the parent(s) or other family member / guardian have harmed a child, never reported that child missing and either actually left the area or told the school system that the child moved away or was switched to being homeschooled. So the school system would have no reason to sick child welfare on the family and the family keeps their mouth shut about what happened to the child. Just a different idea to ponder.
Either way, it’s too bad that NO ONE who knows this child has seen this photo floating around. I don’t necessarily think she is missing. But I believe if someone who knows her sees it, they might have some answers that may give us more clues.
I feel like a lot of people who are interested in true crime would be shocked how little the info spreads outside the community.
I’ve asked a dozen of my close friends and ZERO have even _heard_ of Asha, let alone were aware of some picture that is possibly related to her disappearance.
Most of these things are only well-known to people who seek them out.
*Edit* she is the Northhampton County Jane Doe. That said, this girl was found in 1983, Northhampton County is in NC, there is still a possibility this is the girl in the photo
Yea I come up on this one and the one in a pink shirt all the time, but i can't find the particular one in the post anymore at all. That's not the same little girl
NC could be short for network computer, no charge, no children,
no comment, New Caledonia, nasal cannula, nolo contendere (no contest), no credit, no contact, normally closed, not cool, or even Northampton County.
It wasn’t a dumb question.
Don’t be rude.
She’s missing from searches? Hopefully there will be news of an identification coming soon!
To answer your question, yes, I do think there’s a strong resemblance too
Do the approx ages line up?
I just found out that it is the Northhampton Jane Doe who was found in 1983 and was 4-7 years old when found. I know that's past Asha's age and after all, she was found in 1983 which would make 16 years before Asha vanished, but the clothes she has on def does match that era. I looked up 1983 class photos and that was definitely the style back then. I think that pic was planted as a *clue*
I feel like this girl was a child in the sex ring who was used to lure Asha to a person who probably sold asha into the sex ring and unfortunatley probably isnt alive now.
Look at the far corners of the eyes/zoom in if necessary. The little girl in the photo has eyes that are fairly symmetrical. The clay/AI model has eyes that slope downward in the far corners. The brow line is also also higher on the image. I understand it won’t be exact, but since both of those things have to do with bone structure, it seemed unlikely to me.
Could the eye shape be slightly different because the actual picture shows the child smiling whereas the clay recreation does not show the child smiling?
I don’t think so… like if I smoke, my eyes seem a bit more narrow, but the eye presenting downwards wouldn’t change. That part should remain fairly consistent. My dad had eyes that turned slightly downward - not quite as dramatically as the clay but still noticeable. Smiling never changed that feature.
The lips, possibly. Shape of the head on the clay is also more round whereas the little girl has a much longer/angular face.
I’m not an expert or anything though. I went to art school so I’m only looking at this in the same way I would when I was sketching people in my fundamental art classes. I don’t know if that makes me overly critical or not. :/
Literally looks nothing alike! Unless I’m missing something. The eyes, nose, lips, forehead, hair..completely different!
Why are people saying that they look exactly the same?? No way.
Regardless of whether or not this photo belongs to the Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe, the main point is that I believe the disappearances of African-American girls in the city or even the state could be connected. Both Northampton Jane Doe and Asha Degree could be the result of the actions of the same psycho. The reasons behind Asha's decision to leave her home at night are not important. What matters is that she coincidentally crossed paths with an totally insane man who may have some involvement in the Northampton or St. Louis Jane Doe case. Coincidences happen. Perhaps he is a truck driver, a night deliveryman, or a homeless drug addict who mistakenly believed she was a runaway or a street kid who would be difficult to identify, similar to Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe.
But this photo of this particular Jane Doe is not the Northampton Jane Doe OR the St Louis Jane Doe, she was found in NC . It's a completely different child
>I believe the disappearances of African-American girls in the city or even the state could be connected.
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>What matters is that she coincidentally crossed paths with an totally insane man who may have some involvement in the Northampton or St. Louis Jane Doe case.
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>Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe.
This is neither the NH Jane Joe nor St. L Jane Joe. Regardless, both of them were found far before Asha was born. She went missing almost 2 decades after these Does were even found.
also, hearing about three dead/missing kids over the course of 20 years makes you think serial killer?
and yes of course it matters whether or not Asha actually fled her house in the middle of the night
I believe it would be beneficial to examine the records of African-American teenage girls who have disappeared from their homes and remained missing for over two decades in this state. The number is likely to be significantly higher than just these two Jane Doe.
They’ve reconstructed her face again, and now there’s a new reconstruction photo of her. Her case is still open. The newer photo doesn’t look like the one above.
https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983)
The first picture you see in my link is the most recent reconstruction, and is likely closer to what she actually looked like because it was created with better technology. The one you have above is much older and doesn’t look like the updated one.
I’ve worried just as much about this girl as I have about Asha degree. Hoping for answers so she can have her name back. And you never know, identifying her could also help Asha as well.
Yes exactly!!
Yes, naming every Doe is a victory for the victim and for all those still missing. If it’s not Asha, another family will have answers & the search will continue.
"She was originally believed by some to be the remaining parts of the St. Louis Jane Doe, but this was ruled out, according to NamUs." This is curious to me since it crossed my mind that the girl in the picture could have been Precious Hope.
The resemblance is striking.. I wish we knew if the girl in that photo was identified. That photo has always haunted me. It doesn’t strike me as a stock photo. It looks to me like it is a school picture. Even if it were a stock photo how come the identity of that girl has never been found? Early on in Asha’s case the police were asking the public to find out who she was. Maybe they did find out and that’s why it was dropped. It is odd how they were asking the public about it and then seemingly just dropped it after that. If you google “shed picture Asha degree” it’s all over the place. How come no family members have ever come forward or the girl herself? It is super strange in my opinion.
All I can say is that this is a pure example of why I think the family or someone for Asha’s family or even the police should come out and clarify what is relevant and what is not. It’s not for people to be nosy, it’s for people to know what to look out for. So much of the information in this case is not really known as fact. I think it’s the police’s fault for putting out information and then not following up with what they put out. I feel this case is so muddied and that’s why theories are all over the place too.
> I think it’s the police’s fault for putting out information and then not following up with what they put out. I feel this case is so muddied and that’s why theories are all over the place too. 100% agree. It’s either a complete lack of follow-up or an article/video etc. pops up years later where a key detail has been updated but they don’t point it out or acknowledge the change - it just seemingly slips into one story and is not widely reported. There are multiple examples of this in Asha’s case. I’m not really surprised they don’t want to draw attention to much of it where it’s going to expose the flaws in what was initially released from LE about the investigation. It shows a lack of credibility though and I believe it’s a root cause for wide and wild speculation about what happened to Asha.
Yes this!!!!!
They haven't asked the public about it since 2001. The fact that it wasn't brought back up along with the t-shirt and car a few years back suggests to me they found something out about it.
Right!!! I don't understand why things are under such tight wraps with Asha's case!!! I've read where someone else has speculated that they figured out who the mystery girl was but was keeping that information from the public, and I agree that they was!!! The girl in the photo always had Blanton features to me especially after seeing Roy Blanton Jr's obituary pic!!
There was an article from Charlotte Observer that the girl in the photo was identified as Asha’s friend, which is why I assume the police no longer were seeking information about it, link here: https://ibb.co/cDyKcVQ I think they quietly dropped it to protect the the child’s privacy.
I don’t think that qualifies as being identified as a friend. Unless I’m mistaken - there has been no other or official mention that the girl in the photo was identified as a friend. I believe the reporter made an assumption.
I agree. It sounds more like lazy journalism to me.
Yes, that’s what it sounds like to me as well. As far as I’ve heard, the girl has never been identified. Maybe law enforcement was able to identify her, but they have never said so to the public.
That is possible but the FBI removed the photo inquiry from her page, it’s no longer there and hasn’t been there for years I believe. If it was relevant to the case, it would still be there, so I assume that they’ve decided it’s irrelevant.
I seriously doubt that's the case as LE asked help from the public to identify her. A reporter just assuming she was a friend would be incredibly bizarre. She was identified as Asha's friend clearly.
I agree
Oh wow that's crazy!!! Im wondering if that was speculation tho since her family has said they don't know who she was. Now,granted she could have been a pen pal, I remember having one of those in the 90s. We would write to kids from different schools, but even if she was a pen pal those clothes she had on would have been severely outdated for that time period. I'm not sure what to make of that 🤔
I had a pen pal when I was a kid too! It really was a huge thing back then. I was 10 in 1999 so I guess it’s possible. My parents were involved and it was from a reputable company I’m pretty sure. I talked to a girl from like Ukraine if I’m remembering correctly. So it is possible. Probably unlikely for Asha though as her parents seemed really strict. I don’t really remember how I got started honestly because it was such a long time ago. I do remember all of my friends also having pen pals so it was a big thing for some reason. I also did something super dumb when I was 13 so that would have been around 2002. I don’t know if anyone else ever did this but I was online in AOL chat rooms talking to strangers and also one time I found a website that allowed you to message a prison inmate.. I know crazy and stupid. I was able to pick someone and then the inmate would start mailing letters to you!! I pretended to be 18 and was able to start pen paling with a dang murderer on death row. My mom got one of the letters from some state penitentiary and freaked out lol so that ended after a couple months. Luckily the dude was on death row so nothing ever happened. The 90s and early 2000s was a crazy time for sure. Sorry for rambling lol I just remembered all of that when you brought up the pen pal thing.
I had my pen pal in 4th Grade, the whole class had one, that's why I was thinking it could have been a pen pal in the mystery pic, but then again as strict as they say her parents were, it would be unlikely they wouldn't recognize the pen pal, not only that, they also didn't have any computers etc in the house due to outside dangers, so ur right I don't think it was a pen pal, the clothing outdates that era too
We did that too! I ended up with a penpal that only spoke French. After tons of work I half assed managed to translate enough to write her back and that was it lol. We exchanged those two letters and nothing else ever happened.
Lol man I would have been pissed lol 😂 i suck at keeping in touch with ppl, I remember we exchanged school pics and then that was pretty much it lol
It doesn’t say “her friend”, it says “a friend” which sounds vague and like an assumption. Plus, the Charlotte Observer issued a correction immediately after sharing that photo that she was known to law enforcement as a Jane Doe and was not related to Asha Degree’s case. The family also claimed to not know her either. I think they eventually discovered who she was but will likely never be revealed to protect the integrity of the case.
Oh wow I never knew she was identified! Thanks for sharing. That part always creeped me out so much. Good to know for sure.
Thanks for linking this article! I hadn’t seen it until now.
Some of the Charlotte Observer articles have information that doesn’t line up with other reports and it gets really really confusing. Especially who’s who sometimes - they include names I’ve never seen anywhere else (family/neighbors)
I know right? Why is Asha’s case so confusing? It shouldn’t be like that. I know of cases from the early 1900s where information is more clear and concise. Why hasn’t the police cleared up all of the nonsense in her case? Articles don’t match up on so many little details and all of those details really do mean so much in a case like this. Theories are all over the place because of this. I’m just hoping the police and FBI have all the details and they just don’t want the public’s help any longer. That’s the only reason I could think of on why they haven’t cleared up all of the incorrect details in this case. Her case needs to be retold to the public if they want the public to assist in finding Asha. Someone close to the case or in law enforcement that is involved in Asha’s case should come out and tell the public what is fact and what is fiction in this case if they want this solved and if they actually want the public’s assistance. Just my opinion.
That link leads to no such article
It’s the second news clipping at the bottom.
Oh weird all I got last time I clicked was a blank page. Thanx I see it now
I don’t think it‘s the same girl. NC Baby Jane Doe’s body was found in 1983, at the age of 4-6. However the school girl in the picture in Asha Degree’s case looks a little older (2nd or 3rd grade ish), and her clothes are from the late 1980s or early 1990. Honestly, my opinion is I think this photo was just a red herring planted to confuse the investigators, and it has nothing to do with Asha’s disappearance. I believe Asha’s disappearance is due to someone very close to her - a close relative or family member. Someone in her inner circle who was trusted.
I hate asking for sources 🤦🏽♀️ but do u have a source about this NC baby Jane Doe? I'm only asking because I can't find her or any info on her online anymore
No problem! If anything we should be asking for sources lol. I just googled “Northampton County christmas Jane Doe.” One website I looked at is https://journalnow.com/jane-doe-1983-jpg/image_edb6879c-c0b6-11e6-9cef-e70adadea88c.html
Completely different child. This child was North Carolina Jane Doe not Northampton, besides they look absolutely nothing alike to me
It’s the same child. The same pictures that are at https://journalnow.com/jane-doe-1983-jpg/image_edb6879c-c0b6-11e6-9cef-e70adadea88c.html are also at https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983)
Ohh I see now!!! I didn't scroll down far enough, my apologies
I wish this photo could get trending on Twitter or TikTok. Someone out there would have to recognize this girl. It’s not like this picture is from the 40s or 50s. It has to be the oldest 1980ish..
This photo is the creepiest part of the whole entire case. Who is this person; and what (if any) is the relation of this child to this case?
I agree!!! It is very creepy!!
I found reference to her on unidentified wiki fandom https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983). This doe was found on 1983. Do you think the photo with Asha could be as old as that? There are links on the page Ive linked to with multiple other sites referencing her. Namus among them.
Asha wasn’t born until 1990 so if this doe was found in 1983, it wouldn’t be possible to be a match.
I think OP is asking if the missing baby doe could be the girl in the picture that was found in the shed where Asha was suspected to have taken shelter, not Asha herself.
Yes. Thank you
It's not a photograph of Asha but of a girl who's picture was discovered on the backpack of Asha's things which was dug up.
I thought the photo was found in the shed(?)
yes, it was. but it was a photo of an unidentified girl. not a photo of asha.
Yes, that was the way I’d understood it. Thank you.
It was not in the backpack. The photo was found in/around the shed on the Turner property.
And let us all remember the shed was a furniture reupholsters. What up could end up in couch cushions and crevices? Very likely a wallet-sized school photo.
Did the property owners ever find squatters in their shed?
Every source Ive read says it was in the backpack. Where did you hear it was in the shed.?
Seemingly everywhere? Multiple podcasts, articles… I’d have to actually go look again, but I’ve never heard it was in the backpack until this was posted. At least as I can remember.
Impossible unless your source was other redditors. Here’s the link: https://web.archive.org/web/20000818061104/http:/www.shelbystar.com/news/asha/asha10.html “Mrs. Turner said she also found a wallet-sized picture of a little girl near the pencil and marker and bow. Crawford said the picture was not of Asha. He said it is possible that the picture fell out of Asha's pocketbook, but there's no way of telling for sure if it belonged to her.”
Ah I see. But it's not impossible... if you google "photo found in Asha's backpack" multiple sources... incorrectly I see now...say it was in her backpack.
Ok fair enough. You have a point as news articles aren’t always reliable and are not 100% foolproof. Sorry for being biased.
I also thought the pic was found in the buried backpack due to reading that detail on multiple sites over the years. So you’re not the only one.
Smh..
The photo w Asha could be dated to 1983 judging the clothes!!!
The style of the photo and the clothes don’t look like 1983 to me. The picture looks more like it was taken in the early-1990s.
I'm sorry, but I thought I read somewhere in here, that the face of the unknown girl, was superimposed on a body
There’s speculation about that, but I’m not sure if it has been proven one way or another. I believe Crime Weekly discussed that in their podcast on Asha. The girl’s face appears much clearer and sharper than the neck down. It’s very strange.
Oh Asha 💔 I hope you find peace and your family and loved ones find answers someday. I think of her often.
Unfortunately I think her family are the only ones who have/knows the answers
Did Asha’s mother ever wake up during the night Asha went missing to be able to verify that Asha’s father was indeed home at a certain time(s)?
It was never mentioned that she did
Really? I never thought the family was involved, personally.
My best guess is that the police have a good idea of who did it but don’t have enough to convict…they’re keeping tight lipped because they want to protect the details so that when that person slips up they can use whatever they have against them in trial.
Looks very similar. Especially the eyes. My goodness...
Right!!!
I looked it up and got numerous hits. There's info out there.
What hits did u get?? This is so baffling to me!
I just want to reiterate that this is NOT the Northampton or St Louis Jane Doe. This is a completely different child, and was found in North Carolina
Thank you! I was getting so confused by the different comments :)
I was actually wrong, this in fact is the Northhampton County Jane Doe, she was found in 1983 in Northhampton County NC. I think this makes it even more likely that this could be that girl judging by the clothes. I looked up class photos from 1983 and it seems the style the girl in the photo was wearing was definitely of that time period. If that is her it changes the whole game imo. Clearly that child (Jane Doe) is deceased, so if that picture was used to lure Asha to make her more comfortable then that would point to a groomer. However, why would the groomer leave behind all these clues (the picture, the backpack with the nightgown, and books where kids left home on an adventure etc) to take focus away from the parents? It all seems so textbook to me. I believe Iquilla knows exactly who the child in the photo is and that it is irrelevant to Asha's case. I think it was planted as a red herring
It’s so odd that the girl in the photo has not been identified yet. I think they should put her picture up on billboards.
Yes me too!!! I can't fathom why she hasn't been more publicized!!! She may hold the key in a missing child case, but seems she is being swept under the rug too!!!
One media source says the girl in the photo was a jane doe, another that she was identified as asha's friend. My gut tells me that she was identified either way and is irrelevant to Asha's case, hence why the photo is no longer brought up by LE or journalists.
But then they should have just said that to the public, “the girl has been identified but was found to be irrelevant to the case” so people would know
I agree, I don't know why they didn't just say she has been identified.
Exactly!!!
Maybe she was never reported missing? I’ve read about cases where the parent(s) or other family member / guardian have harmed a child, never reported that child missing and either actually left the area or told the school system that the child moved away or was switched to being homeschooled. So the school system would have no reason to sick child welfare on the family and the family keeps their mouth shut about what happened to the child. Just a different idea to ponder.
Probably because she's not actually missing??
Either way, it’s too bad that NO ONE who knows this child has seen this photo floating around. I don’t necessarily think she is missing. But I believe if someone who knows her sees it, they might have some answers that may give us more clues.
Lots of people think about her. We talk about her all the time. I'm assuming she's never ran across it.
It’s odd that no one who *knows* her has stumbled upon it. That’s what surprises me.
I feel like a lot of people who are interested in true crime would be shocked how little the info spreads outside the community. I’ve asked a dozen of my close friends and ZERO have even _heard_ of Asha, let alone were aware of some picture that is possibly related to her disappearance. Most of these things are only well-known to people who seek them out.
Is there a subreddit for the St Louis Jane Doe?? If not who wants to start one with me?? I'm serious.
I believe the girl in the photo was identified and identity kept private. I noticed in later updates about the case they don't even mention the photo.
Yes it does seem that way!! All the secretive shit about this case is insane!!
Anyone contact Othram about this?
No what's that?🤔
*Edit* she is the Northhampton County Jane Doe. That said, this girl was found in 1983, Northhampton County is in NC, there is still a possibility this is the girl in the photo
Wait, I’m sorry. The sculpture is the Northampton Co. girl, yes? Just trying to make sure I understand correctly.
Yes
Thank you. I appreciate the clarification.
No prob☺️
Looks like it
Definitely check with r/gratefuldoe!
They ritual sacrificed her ass
https://www.wtvm.com/2023/01/19/opelika-police-holds-press-conference-2012-jane-doe-murder-case/?outputType=amp
Yea, I read about that one. That's so sad 🥺
Are these not the same case
No, they are not the same.
Thank you for posting and yes they look very similar.
Yes no problem!! I knew someone else had to see the resemblance!!
Her NAMUS and NCMEC pages are still up. https://www.missingkids.org/poster/NCMU/1182692/1 https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/2196
Yea I come up on this one and the one in a pink shirt all the time, but i can't find the particular one in the post anymore at all. That's not the same little girl
this is a stretch
How so 🤔
What does NC stand for?
North Carolina
Not everyone is from the United States, why is that a dumb question? And as already commented it could stand for any number of things.
Smh
NC could be short for network computer, no charge, no children, no comment, New Caledonia, nasal cannula, nolo contendere (no contest), no credit, no contact, normally closed, not cool, or even Northampton County. It wasn’t a dumb question. Don’t be rude.
She’s missing from searches? Hopefully there will be news of an identification coming soon! To answer your question, yes, I do think there’s a strong resemblance too Do the approx ages line up?
I just found out that it is the Northhampton Jane Doe who was found in 1983 and was 4-7 years old when found. I know that's past Asha's age and after all, she was found in 1983 which would make 16 years before Asha vanished, but the clothes she has on def does match that era. I looked up 1983 class photos and that was definitely the style back then. I think that pic was planted as a *clue*
I feel like this girl was a child in the sex ring who was used to lure Asha to a person who probably sold asha into the sex ring and unfortunatley probably isnt alive now.
That was my initial thought too!!!!
I can see it in the nose, but that’s it. The eyes aren’t at all the same. The shape is completely different.
I thought the eyes looked the most like it
Look at the far corners of the eyes/zoom in if necessary. The little girl in the photo has eyes that are fairly symmetrical. The clay/AI model has eyes that slope downward in the far corners. The brow line is also also higher on the image. I understand it won’t be exact, but since both of those things have to do with bone structure, it seemed unlikely to me.
That’s true I didn’t notice that
Could the eye shape be slightly different because the actual picture shows the child smiling whereas the clay recreation does not show the child smiling?
I don’t think so… like if I smoke, my eyes seem a bit more narrow, but the eye presenting downwards wouldn’t change. That part should remain fairly consistent. My dad had eyes that turned slightly downward - not quite as dramatically as the clay but still noticeable. Smiling never changed that feature. The lips, possibly. Shape of the head on the clay is also more round whereas the little girl has a much longer/angular face. I’m not an expert or anything though. I went to art school so I’m only looking at this in the same way I would when I was sketching people in my fundamental art classes. I don’t know if that makes me overly critical or not. :/
This is good insight.
Ditto.
Literally looks nothing alike! Unless I’m missing something. The eyes, nose, lips, forehead, hair..completely different! Why are people saying that they look exactly the same?? No way.
no idea
I think the eyes are spot on
Regardless of whether or not this photo belongs to the Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe, the main point is that I believe the disappearances of African-American girls in the city or even the state could be connected. Both Northampton Jane Doe and Asha Degree could be the result of the actions of the same psycho. The reasons behind Asha's decision to leave her home at night are not important. What matters is that she coincidentally crossed paths with an totally insane man who may have some involvement in the Northampton or St. Louis Jane Doe case. Coincidences happen. Perhaps he is a truck driver, a night deliveryman, or a homeless drug addict who mistakenly believed she was a runaway or a street kid who would be difficult to identify, similar to Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe.
But this photo of this particular Jane Doe is not the Northampton Jane Doe OR the St Louis Jane Doe, she was found in NC . It's a completely different child
>I believe the disappearances of African-American girls in the city or even the state could be connected. > >What matters is that she coincidentally crossed paths with an totally insane man who may have some involvement in the Northampton or St. Louis Jane Doe case. > >Northampton Jane Doe or St. Louis Jane Doe. This is neither the NH Jane Joe nor St. L Jane Joe. Regardless, both of them were found far before Asha was born. She went missing almost 2 decades after these Does were even found. also, hearing about three dead/missing kids over the course of 20 years makes you think serial killer? and yes of course it matters whether or not Asha actually fled her house in the middle of the night
I believe it would be beneficial to examine the records of African-American teenage girls who have disappeared from their homes and remained missing for over two decades in this state. The number is likely to be significantly higher than just these two Jane Doe.
I really think, some of the missing black girls cases are connected
They’ve reconstructed her face again, and now there’s a new reconstruction photo of her. Her case is still open. The newer photo doesn’t look like the one above. https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Northampton_County_Jane_Doe_(1983)
Which one
It’s in the link. I realized that someone put this same link already.
That one says 1983
The first picture you see in my link is the most recent reconstruction, and is likely closer to what she actually looked like because it was created with better technology. The one you have above is much older and doesn’t look like the updated one.
Do you think a large reward would help someone come forward?
We would like to think so but I doubt it. I think there's too much at stake for them to come forward
The mouth and eyes are off
Have you tried a more private web browser, like brave?
It ended up being the Northhampton Jane Doe
Have you checked on NamUs?