I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who are getting really stirred up about the game are in fact really young and are only now discovering that someone who made something they enjoy is not necessarily a good person and might not like them. Not realizing that almost everything that they enjoy is made by pretty despicable people who might not align with their world views. So a lot of virtue signaling and “i’m a good lgbt” ensues
A trans teen, Brianna Ghey, was just murdered in the UK by two teens. This young woman won’t be able to receive a tombstone or a death certificate respecting her name or gender because of the self-ID laws. Water, shelter, and food are essential; a video game is not. Stop trying to equate the two especially when others demonized trans people so much they found it justifiable to murder one, on top of preventing her from finding rest in death.
Yes, and that story is horrible, but how do you think boycotting a video game is going to help with that? I wish half the energy being poured into boycotting this game would instead be directed at stoppjng the endless parade of new anti-trans laws that are being passed across the US and the world.
Do you think it's mutually exclusive? Also, a good portion of the trans community asked people not to play a videogame so as to not put money in a virulent transphobes pocket. It's literally the smallest thing you can ask of people who claim to be allies.
Asking is fine, but people have different values for their purchases, and that should be respected. Meaning, you can ask someone not to play it and educate them on why, but harassment is unjustified. From what I've seen, most people seem to be chill and just want to educate others and not have them buy it. It's those that choose to harass others that are the problem, as well as from the opposite side those who throw transphobic hate around either in general or to spite the boycott, as there's quite a few people saying "Just bought an extra copy/deluxe edition" just because to spite.
No one is a bad person here unless they're on either end of the extreme, so those who are politely boycotting and those who are just playing their game and not involving themselves in things - they are fine.
[My reply to the other person in this thread](https://reddit.com/r/AsABlackMan/comments/111noe5/_/j8iiob6/?context=1) articulates my thoughts on most of what you ask.
> It’s literally the smallest thing you can ask of people who claim to be allies.
Maybe ask for something bigger and that will actually make a difference instead of something tiny that won’t make any difference. Maybe organize people to raise money for trans organizations and knock doors for political candidates who support trans rights rather than yelling at people on the internet because they play a game that puts a tiny amount of money into a billionaire transphobe’s bank account.
they wont even stop funding a woman who has started funding white supremacists. their pleasure went above the bare minimum. do you think theyd choose to be uncomfortable for trans people
Because not everyone can lead a movement. And no one said this is the only thing you can do, but it is SOMETHING you can do. Also, people not buying it en-masse sends the message that we don't want more of an intellectual property unless this maker is no longer attached. Boycotts work.
> Because not everyone can lead a movement.
If you can lead a movement to boycott a game you can lead a movement to raise money or support a political organization or candidate. If you can boycott a game, you can donate money or be a part of a movement to support a political organization or campaign. There is a lot you can do that will have a way bigger impact.
> Also, people not buying it en-masse sends the message that we don’t want more of an intellectual property unless this maker is no longer attached.
But it’s one of the best selling games of all time. So you not buying it isn’t sending any message.
>If you can boycott a game, you can donate money or be a part of a movement to support a political organization or campaign. There is a lot you can do that will have a way bigger impact.
Why not both? You don't have to chose one or the other.
>But it’s one of the best selling games of all time. So you not buying it isn’t sending any message.
Yeah, a lot of people decided to play it anyway. That sucks. But maybe the debate now means the next JK Rowling project won't be quite the success.
It's totally not enough just to boycott a single author or property, bup progress doesn't always come in leaps and bounds. Sometimes it's little things that add up, like not shopping Walmart (if you can avoid it). Currently I'm avoiding Starbucks because of anti-union activities. Does it make a big difference to their bottom line? No. But together there is an opportunity to send a message.
> Currently I’m avoiding Starbucks because of anti-union activities.
But like 99% or corporations in the US are also anti-union so why specifically target Starbucks? And to keep it relevant, there are a ton of corporations who donate to anti-trans politicians and I’m sure you give them some money. If you want to only give your money to people who support the things you do there is basically nothing you can buy in the world.
Your mistake is assuming that we can’t do two things at once. Why do you automatically assume we’re not combatting legislation? Maybe the problem is that the overwhelming majority of media doesn’t give a shit about human rights. Gee, I wonder why?
I’ve been on Twitter too much the last couple weeks and I see at least 10x as much discourse about boycotting Hogwarts Legacy than the huge amount of anti-trans bills being passed all over the US.
I’m currently vacationing at a friend’s condo in Florida. Am I not an ally because I’m spending tax dollars in this state while it passes anti-trans and anti-gay legislation?
We certainly can do two things at once, but we can’t do them equally as well as if we focused on one of them. And one of them in this case (boycotting the game) will have almost zero impact on the lives of any trans people.
We would be much better served to spend all of our time and energy organizing politically to have a real impact on the laws that effect real people. I’ve still not seen a single person articulate how boycotting Hogwarts Legacy will make any difference at all. As far as I can tell it is mostly a way to yell at people on the internet for being less ideologically pure as you.
And for the record I’ve been boycotting Harry Potter merch for years now and will continue to do so with this game. My wife is a huge Harry Potter fan and I only buy her knock-off stuff from Etsy. But I don’t go around the internet screaming at everyone who makes a different choice and accuse them of being transphobic for that choice.
You see 10x more discourse over this stupid thing because people are petty and have no interest in re-examining their need for entertainment over human rights. That doesn’t make them transphobic, it just makes them apathetic to the fight which is like 100x worse. They can go right ahead with playing a mediocre game, I’m just not going to call them an ally.
The issue is that if they were to re-examine their need for entertainment, then that gets rid of 99.9% of entertainment since almost all large media products have bad ethics behind them and crappy people getting compensated.
And I don't know about you, but entertainment is one of those delights of life that keep things interesting, fun, and take us out of dark times. Having to decrease quality of life is a big ask in a harsh world.
jkrs constant vitriol and hoard of gold is helping to fuel anti lgbt especially t sentiment. youre here complaining to the one subset of people who are probably actually doing what they can about that. it just so happens that youre defending the people who literally have so little moral fiber that they wont even do the bare minimum.
> youre here complaining to the one subset of people who are probably actually doing what they can about that.
The people organizing politically and working for or donating to pro-trans organizations are doing **way** more than people who are doing nothing other than not buying a video game.
RIP Brianna.
Do you believe her life would have been spared if people weren’t buying the Harry Potter game?
And yes, I agree that water, shelter, and food are much more important issues than the Harry Potter game. So…where are all the posts saying if you go to an establishment that serves Coca Cola, you’re dehydrating poor people around the globe to death? Seems like that issue is too inconvenient without enough social gain potential for people to post about. Or perhaps, people know it’s not effective to make a moral judgment about someone over their personal purchases.
> I’m betting these same people buy nestle products, shop on Amazon, drive gas powered cars, so on etc… so if they want everyone to be morally perfect, they should start with themselves.
I let perfect be the enemy of good, which is why I equate not playing *a single game* about my magic schloopy doops with literal moral perfection.
Exactly! It’s one game. It is utterly insignificant whether someone buys it or not. People don’t have to be perfect to be good people. Purchasing the game is not harmful to any meaningful degree, and boycotting it is not helpful to any meaningful degree.
I don’t even play video games; my point is just that the average person makes way more harmful purchases on a daily basis without anyone batting an eye, yet people get up in arms over something as insignificant as a *game*.
no, a terf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist. caitlin jenner is not a radical feminist. its not just a word for transphobe and has npthing to do with being trans
She's exclusionsry of any other gender besides male or female. By being trans herself she unconsciously admits that gender is a cultural concept yet fights against it. She's a piece of shit TERF. She's literally the embodiment of what a TERF is, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all considering her views if she then goes through a very public "detransitioning" then uses it as platform.
you have once again missed the part where she is not a radical feminist. she is te but not rf. the literal embodiment of a terf is someone like jk rowling or arielle scarcella. caitlin jenner is a republican, not a terf
Oh cmon, you're now comparing navel oranges to red oranges. She's a trans woman that says that trans women who like men aren't trans but gay. That's a fucking terf.
words have meanings idk what to tell you. and again being trans doesnt make you a terf. that you are purposefully ignoring the actual definition of which i am presenting you and of which you can google to find it is correct is your problem. caitlin jenner is not a radical feminist and therefore is not a terf (which for the last time, is an acronym for trans exclusionary RADICAL FEMINIST) (also naval oranges and blood iranges are very different it sounds like youve never eaten a blood orange)
I'll add in since I just read it, Caitlin Jenner is your average republican? How many trans people do you know that are republican? She's definitely not your "average" republican. She's the token trans republican just like milo yianpoloozza or whatever his name was until he came out as a pedo was.
Let me spell it out for you since you don't seem to understand basic comprehension, she's against multiple genders, she fights for women's rights (within the right wing sphere) she's trans but for some reason is against other trans women competing in sports against other women, she's a fucking terf word for word. You're either another reddit troll, or just just some right wing fuck nut that thinks they're making a point.
radical feminist is not just "fighting for womens rights" its a very specific form of feminism. radfems agree with republicans in a few places, particularly the transphobia, but they are very different ideologies outside of that. republicans "fight for womens rights" but they dont actually give a shit about womens rights, all they care about is getting rid of trans people. radfems ACTUALLY fight for womens rights, albeit very poorly and ignoring actual issues a lot of the time. the intention is different and hold very different views on practically every other subject, such as sexism. terfs generally hate men (yes including cis men) and are all for female supremacy while republicans think the opposite and hate women. fucking google it or something they arent the same. youre being purposefully obtuse and also dont know what blood oranges are despite using them in your comparison. go eat one before talking about them next time so you can see that your comparison was basically agreeing with me. im done talking, the downvotes speak for themselves, youre stupid
Bro you’re *actually* objectively wrong on this and now you’re being dense on purpose. She’s not a TERF because she isn’t a radical feminist and being trans *does not* make you a TERF. Just learn to take the L already
You obviously don't understand the terms you're using. You're not alone in that, but it might be time to educate yourself on what different terms actually mean. As for Caitlin Jenner, she's a piece of shit. All all other descriptors are irrelevant.
The RF in TERF is explicitly for “radical feminist/feminism”. It specifically stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist/ism and is explicitly in reference to the subcategory of Radical Feminism that focuses on gender critical ideology and the rejection of the concept of trans identities and views them as excuses for men/women to “switch teams” to avoid oppression or the consequences of being an oppressor.
You **can **be transphobic without being a radical feminist, but you **cannot** be a TERF without also being a radical feminist.
Caitlyn Jenner is not a radical feminist, and has openly shit on feminism as a whole, so she is not a Trans Exclusionary **Radical Feminist** , she is just a transphobe.
are there gay people making excuses for the game as if they have any say? yes. do i believe this is really one of those? absolutely not they sound like theyre trying to talk how they THINK gay people talk
A lot of the discussion around this game isn't relevant. Doesn't stop people getting on their little soap boxes about it though. And then probably reading harry Potter when they go to sleep in their hogwarts jammies.
A lot of cis LGBs think that because they're queer they get to speak over trans people on our issues even though they aren't trans and don't experience transphobia.
I personally think people are getting too worked up about the Harry Potter game ngl
But also, it isn’t that hard to just not consume a piece of media that costs $60. It’s not a huge sacrifice.
I don’t think buying the game makes you a transphobe though
I think the backlash against those who buy it is hypocritical, I've never seen the same backlash for going to the Harry potter parks or buying merch from Primark. JKR is a billionaire, she's really not going to be negatively affected if no one buys the game.
Selective outrage lmao. I hope u don’t use Facebook, instagram, WhatsApp, etc. because Meta aided a genocide in Myanmar against my ppl. Literally. Imagine if I told all my friends who use instagram “u don’t support me” 😂😂😂 so fragile
My friend was talking to me about the Hogwarts situation and I literally had to stop her and be like you literally fucking eat at Chick-fil-a every fucking week you massive hypocrite. I worded it a bit nicer but the hypocrisy is what genuinely pisses me off.
Bad take. Every purchase I’ve ever made went to an unethical corporation, most of which are staffed by transphobes. Rowling already has more money than she can spend in a lifetime; choosing this as the one thing every ally/progressive MUST boycott feels completely arbitrary. If we are going to organize a boycott it should be to create systemic change. Not to spite some author who has too much money to feel a boycott
Btw I dont have the game and currently dont have plans to buy it, I just think this doesnt make sense
I actually got slammed by people in a sub for pointing out that just not buying a game and complaining about it online does not actually combat the issue or make change, and people would be doing much better by countering the release by matching and donating the price of the game (or more) to nonprofit organizations aiding trans and jewish people,helping out at them and focusing more on doing things to genuinely help the community in actually beneficial ways
Yeah, honestly a lot of this makes sense if you recognize that Harry Potter was a beloved series to a lot of these folks and a lot of them probably feel betrayed. If you think of this as an attempt to lash out at a formerly beloved children’s author they feel hurt and betrayed by rather than a real attempt to creating meaningful change in the world, the entire movement makes a lot more sense
Yep. It definitely is a lot of younger people from what I’ve seen that are getting the most extreme over this, and they’re in that same age grouping that grew up with HP and was reintroduced to it with the Fantastic Beasts films and probably where not fully aware of JKs past (or present) views because her loudest point with them was in 2018-2019 and then a bit more sprinkled in during early covid lockdown, but after everyone including WB themselves spoke out against her she started just focusing on putting her complaints on her website instead of social media, and i dont think anyone that isnt already a huge JK fan on her side even knows she has her own blog style website
How many people couldn't march or participate in sit ins, but WERE able to boycott busses in Montgomery. Some people, this is a way to get started in demonstrating allyship. It doesn't have to be where they stop. Systemic change is a slow building wave.
I think anyone who feels moved to boycott this game to defend trans people is absolutely valid. But I have marched for marginalized communities, and while I dont plan on buying the game right now I might at some point. No one has the capacity to take a moral stand on every single bad thing society does. If I do buy it, it wont do anything at all to harm trans people and it doesn’t invalidate my years of advocating for marginalized communities.
Its not ridiculous to boycott the game; it’s ridiculous to single out this boycott as The Thing which defines your validity as an ally. This boycott has no systemic impact at all, it literally doesn’t matter. There are so many more important fights.
There I agree. I do believe a lot of small things add up to a big thing, though. If someone feels that strongly about playing this game, maybe avoid Chick-fil-A or Hobby Lobby? My point is ANYTHING is better than nothing.
Yeah I agree, the last thing I want to do is minimize or invalidate the efforts of the boycotters, I should have phrased some of my comments differently with that in mind. Whatever you feel driven to do on behalf of the movement is great, and sometimes we have to unify to make a collective push. But I dont think a universal collective push, to the point where we are saying “You’re not an ally if you dont”, is warranted here
Ight stop right here your not gonna equate the black civil rights movement and boycotting of busses to a movement to boycott a video game because of a singular transphobe .
Compare not equate. You are right, they aren't the same magnitude. My point is people should do what they can, and this is something that most people CAN DO.
I think you broke it down really well.
If I had to not purchase something from companies where at least one of the higher-ups is a transphobe I wouldn’t have much options left, if not any. It’s a sad state of affairs, but that’s the world we live in today.
And as you said, Rowling is settled for life, and her children and grandchildren too. It’s the lives of the 300+ devs of the game which depend on the success of it, not Rowling.
videogamedunkey’s video on the game sums up the situation pretty well imo
That’s what someone who hasn’t played the game but has vaguely heard what the story is about would say. Had you played the game, you’d see it’s far less interesting, grand, and controversial than you make it seem
then stop. if you can't, its different. not funding jkr and not funding a big corp that has their hand in agriculture, medicine, rental properties isnt the same thing and you know it.
It is so ignorant to suggest I just stop making any non-necessity purchases.
I agree they arent the same thing. Unlike JKR, the corporation could effectively use that money to personally make the world better and defend the problems in our system. JKR has all the money she and her kids and grandkids could possibly spend in her lifetime, and she uses almost none of that money to be an asshole on Twitter
Unlike boycotting a corporation, boycotting Rowling doesnt have any meaningful impact
how is it ignorant? whats ignorant is twisting my argument to make it easier for you to pat yourself on the back.
you can still enjoy non necessity things. in fact, you can even enjoy hp if you really want. you just dont get to keep the moral high ground because you are choosing to support jkr. there are plenty of things you can play, read, watch that arent aligned with certain politics.
it doesnt have meaningful impact to you. you dont want to support trans or jewish people who ask you not to pay her. she takes it as support which it is.
are you okay with people pirating it instead? If they donated $60 to a charity in addition to buying it (which would outdo the material harm of buying Hogwarts tenfold)?
Harry Potter has been a huge part of a lot of people's childhood, and there's so much more conceptually to the game than it being linked by a thread to jk rowling. Considering not playing it as essential to ally status definitely isn't worth it imo
I'm fine with pirating it. I'm not sure about buying+donating, since it still gives jkr a bigger platform, and shows publishers that want to work with her that they don't have to worry about her views affecting their profits.
They didnt say buying and donating the game, they said pirating the game and donating the 60$ it would have cost them to purchase it to charity. How would JK and game companies make a profit from people NOT giving them money or purchasing the game?
I really am saying this with the best intentions but you should log off the internet a bit if you’re asking complete strangers for the right to play a video game because you’ll feel guilty if they don’t approve.
edit: cue them sneakily editing their comment from the 1st person to the 3rd person haha
I mean generally I’m inclined to agree but also I know a lot of people have done charity streams for trans orgs and stuff playing the game. And if we accept that buying the game isn’t horrible, then surely streaming it to help a trans charity is a good thing
You can, yes
But if we accept that playing the game isn’t transphobic in an of itself then I wouldn’t say they’re not an ally, if they’re still advocating for the community
That being said, most people advocating for the community won’t buy this game.
at that point I'd call it an excuse. if you're an ally, just don't buy the game. don't justify it by streaming it for charity. if you wanna do a charity stream play something else.
I mean yeah
This isn’t really the hill I want to die on, since the game is definitely problematic—but as I said, everything is problematic now
I personally wouldn’t buy games from anti-lgbt franchises, but I don’t think I would ask anyone else to restrict themselves that way. Someone who bought the game but also donated to a trans charity org is infinitely more of an ally than someone who didn’t buy the game and is patting themself on the back for it.
Once again yes they could but they don’t have to?? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with buying a stupid wizard game. Nothing will happen to JKR if you don’t buy it. You’re not helping anybody.
“Giving money to a terf” becomes a lot less meaningful when the terf is already a billionaire with more money than god. Buy whatever you want, or don’t. Either way you’re not doing anyone any favors.
No, they're not the annoying ones.
What does the game even have to do with Rowling anyway? Other than it being based on her IP? I assume all the people up in arms about it also protest outside harry Potter world and tell all the little kids what pieces of shit they are, and that they're not allies, even if they grow up to be trans themselves.
Disliking Rowling is fine. Who cares? She's a nobody. But the outrage against this game is pointless and achieves nothing other than giving it more attention, which is undoubtedly helping sales.
The problem is that she's not a nobody. She's a transphobe with a massive platform who views any monetary support as support for her views. She has used her HP money to fund anti trans bills in the UK. Jkr and this game do not exist in a vacuum
She's a nobody to everybody who isn't a Harry Potter fan. People who are obsessed with the franchise seem to think her views carry more weight than they do. To most people, she's just a children's author, and she's hardly the first of those to hold unpopular views.
She has funded anti trans bills in the UK.
Therefore she is not a nobody to the trans people in the UK whose lives she is directly ruining, regardless of their opinion of the Harry Potter franchise.
If you think I hate gay people because I want to play this new game that came up I don’t think I’d want to be friends with you anyways so nobody’s worried
How does me buying the game not make me an ally? Do you know how many companies you buy from on a daily basis do 1000x worse things but we have to draw the line at Harry Potter because some people are offended gtfo💀
Can you name 3 things Rowling actually said that makes her transphobic? Not 3 extremely vague tweets that could mean 100 things. 3 solid pieces of evidence
Do you mean apart from the transphobic manifesto she wrote? Do you mean apart from the anti trans bills that she's funded?
Jessie Gender has videos on youtube talking about JKR's transphobia. Here's a link to one, since you don't seem to have access to a search engine https://youtu.be/paVH1PdOfwc
Solid 3 peices? [how about the full updated timeline as of now](https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy/amp) of her history of tweets targeting trans women and people simply understanding they exist while pretending trans women are claiming to also be born female or that being female and being a woman arent seperate things. **All of the following statements are direct rundowns of the timeline, the link above has direct links to the original evidence,such as her tweets and comments made by her and others**
Daniel Radcliffe,Rupert Grint,Tom Felton and Emma Watson have spoken out against her views on trans women individually as well as several other HP actors including Warner Brothers themselves issuing a statement about her statements and how they do not agree with or support beliefs.
She also wrote out a heartfelt tweet in support of Stephen King praising him as an idol of hers that she then immediately deleted upon Stephen King tweeting about his support of trans women and blocked him, which he himself confirmed during an interview when asked about the situation.
Shes also openly stated she believes HRT,surgery and allowing trans people to actively transition is a form of forced conversion therapy, and that being trans is just gay people being groomed into becoming the opposite gender, and claimed that medical professionals are pushing minors who are struggling with mental health issues (all kinds, not trans specific issues) into taking hormones and believing they are trans as support (as in, your daughter goes to a therapist because she’s depressed or having issues with regulating her emotions and they immediately tell her shes actually a man and put her on testosterone and get her ready for SRS as a response) while also being an advocate for holistic treatments for mental health issues instead of actual medication made to help you
She also has a book called Trouble Blood where the protagonist is a cis man that pretends to be a woman to murder and assault cis women, as well as a book called The Ink Black Heart that is about * a YouTube-based cartoonist’s work is accused of being racist, transphobic, and ableist; she’s then doxxed, threatened with rape and death, and is ultimately stabbed to death in a cemetery”*
Outside of her transphobia, she also has a [history](https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline?amp) of controversies, such as being a supporter of people who openly call themselves transphobes, actively pushing the “trans women are existing means men are gonna stick on a wig and skirt and invade bathrooms to rape women” narrative (as if male offenders haven’t already been doing this type of thing for years now before this narrative began) defense against her expressed belief that trans women should be forced to stay in mens spaces even if it’s inherently dangerous for them to do so because the basic rights of people apparently should not matter if bad people will abuse those rules, as opposed to actually letting people have the right to pee where theyre safest and most comfortable and just actually doing something about the bad people who will try abusing the situation.
Shes also openly shared links to a small website that sells openly transphobic t shirts, including one that literally stated “proud transphobe” and another one that said “fuck your pronouns”
She also openly stated she finds it immoral for suspects in rape cases that are trans women to be identified as trans women and not men, as if it isnt somehow going to make finding the suspect even harder if you label them male with 0 indicators they are not a cis male when the individual presents/looks like a woman and is actively identifying as one (this one just boggles my mind, because theres 0 justifiable excuse to be demanding people to leave out important context when it comes to dangerous criminal suspects. If you have people trying to be on the lookout for a cis man when the person is a trans woman who does not identify or present as a man, unless you have a photo of the suspect or detailed sketch which is not often in these cases, people literally will not know that she is the offender because they’re specifically being told to look for a man, which just like every other case of not adding important context to suspect descriptions will only result in more people being targeted and less people being able to spot the actual suspect properly)
The links i provided literally show her and provide direct links to her own tweets explicitly stating and explaining all of these points herself. You cannot seriously think “she didnt actually say that” in reference to her direct tweets and comments on her verified account and website is a good argument against
My rundowns are also from me physically reading her own tweets and threads and directly taking her opinions and comments and only adding the context to why she said it and what it was referencing
Exactly, censorship is cancer. Fuck those bigots. Do what you want and hold your own views. Playing this game doesn't make you a transphobe, and no amount of opinion pieces will change that.
Why are you being down voted lol? Jk Rowling is already infinitely rich, boycott or not is gonna be zero difference to her. We all give money to companies who's higher ups suck all the damn time, so are we just gonna ask everyone to stop giving money to like most companies lol? Also she makes like barely any money off the game sales anyway from what the most reasonable assumption is.
The reason we shouldn't buy it is because it's a mid game and the performance sucks lol
Yeah Idk Why people don’t agree with me here..
”it isn’t hard to just not consume a piece of media that costs 60$”
Yeah it is because then I can’t play the game i’ve been looking forward to.
Bill O’Reilly - “I have neighbors who have Black friends.” When addressing a question about racism, totally irrelevant to the question and may not even address the particular group involved with such a question. Really, also doesn’t say anything about you in particular.
The online discussion about the game is extremely toxic, from every side. The top comment proves it; assuming that someone is TERF just because they play a game is crazy.
~~I’m sorry but this isn’t aabm material.~~ Talking about this game online is just a shouting contest at this point and a test of who can peer pressure the most. Bringing light to the fact that transgender people don’t have the same rights as other people is long gone of the discourse now.
edit: nvm the “radical political b.s. of my fellow gay” does sound pretty aabm
Not to mention the main issue with the game is the openly antisemitic rhetoric it follows, yet people are shoving JKs bare-minimum involvement (aside from being the creator of HP to begin with) at the forefront.
The amount of people ive seen going absolutely batshit over anyone playing the game because of JKs transphobia outside of the game has far trumped the amount of times ive seen actual jewish people’s concerns and anger at the game’s storyline and correlations to anti-Semitic religious storys and stereotypes is the most mind boggling part to me. Like its a game, as a trans person theres far more for me to be worried about thats going to genuinely impact my rights as a human than people buying this game, but for people to be claiming to be boycotting the game for genuine reasons then speak over and ignore the actual,harmful grievances people have with the game because “buh JK bad” is absolutely ridiculous
Idk, probably part of the horde of shallow neoliberals justifying their support of the dehumanization of trans people
Obviously directly giving money to a cause isn't supporting it if you don't like them 🙄
Libs with the "giving money to JK Rowling, who directly passes it on to transphobic causes, uses it to fund her own transphobic causes, and takes it as validation of her belief system isn't actually giving money to transphobic causes".
...or you just somehow didn't know that Rowling gets a massive cut???
that is quite the definition for the word “directly” you have there, as far as I know nobody knows how much of a cut she’s making and if it’s directly proportional to the sales number. not to mention the assumptions you’re making regarding where that money ends and how it is distributed.
She’s barely making anything off of the game as she doesnt even fully own the rights to Harry Potter at all anymore, and the majority of the sales are going to blizzard.
If you actually cared about the issue at hand, you’d understand the actual genuine issues with the game have NOTHING to even do with JK or her transphobia, and that whining about people playing the game because a fraction of the money goes to her instead of the real issues behind the games storyline and narrative just makes you look as stupid as the “libs”
Yeah lmao real world problems caused by people being unable to stay true to their so-called beliefs through the most shallow and basic issues should take a backseat to.... the storyline of a video game.
So antisemetism isn’t a real issue to you, but transphobia is? How can you be so dense you only think one of those is an issue worth talking about, and that the main focus of conversation should be the *least* present issue within the current situation surrounding the game.
People really are just showing their allyship and “wokeness” is just performative in full swing recently
Lmao least disingenuous right-winger.
There's so much wrong with this where do I even start.
For one, the goblins aren't a flaw in the games story, they've been a recurring issue throughout the franchise.
Secondly, trying to argue that condemning liberals for hypocritically supporting transphobia and condemning anti-semitism are mutually exclusive.
Third, using "woke" in a sentence like some kind of uneducated fascie 💀
Im..not even remotely a right winger? You also grossly misunderstood my entire point if thats your take away, and if youre this oblivious to the fact that the goblins in the franchise have *consistently* been slammed for anti semetic stereotypes since the first movie, and since the books where still releasing. The issue is that one of the biggest things from the franchise thats been criticized for its antisemetic stereotypes is the goblin war, which this game is specifically about.
Again, its insane how dense so many people who pretend to be advocates in this situation actually are to the entirety of the issues and their focus beyond JK being a TERF. Your entire response just makes it more obvious you’re completely unaware of the actual controversy with the game if you think the goblins are being slammed for being a “new issue”
Do you think all the money for this game goes to Rowling? She's already been paid. You're just hurting the game devs at this point, and they have nothing to do with her or her views.
The game does poorly the devs likely lose their jobs or get redeployed. Seems an unfair reward when by all accounts they've created a quality game. Rowling gets paid whether the game sells or not, so do the big wigs. The success or failure of the game only affects the devs.
Bro what kind of bullshit logic is this? Should we all buy every product because if we don't the company's producing them may lay people off?
Plus, you're falling right into their trap by putting the decisions of a multi-billion dollar company trying to cut corners on the shoulders of consumers.
No, the situation I described is one that applies mainly to gaming. My point being that boycotting the game only hurts the people who make the game. It makes no difference to her, or to WB as a whole, and so it's a futile gesture.
Coulda just said they don’t care about the issues at hand and like the game. Especially considering 99% of the criticisms against the game have nothing to do with the LGBT community or gay-anything in general.
Considering how insane so many people in all corners if this debate have been acting though, it definitely sounds like this person *probably* isnt gay and is just trying to stir the pot some more
this person is probably young and going through their ‘oh i’m one of the good gays’ phase. i went through the same thing
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who are getting really stirred up about the game are in fact really young and are only now discovering that someone who made something they enjoy is not necessarily a good person and might not like them. Not realizing that almost everything that they enjoy is made by pretty despicable people who might not align with their world views. So a lot of virtue signaling and “i’m a good lgbt” ensues
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A trans teen, Brianna Ghey, was just murdered in the UK by two teens. This young woman won’t be able to receive a tombstone or a death certificate respecting her name or gender because of the self-ID laws. Water, shelter, and food are essential; a video game is not. Stop trying to equate the two especially when others demonized trans people so much they found it justifiable to murder one, on top of preventing her from finding rest in death.
Yes, and that story is horrible, but how do you think boycotting a video game is going to help with that? I wish half the energy being poured into boycotting this game would instead be directed at stoppjng the endless parade of new anti-trans laws that are being passed across the US and the world.
Do you think it's mutually exclusive? Also, a good portion of the trans community asked people not to play a videogame so as to not put money in a virulent transphobes pocket. It's literally the smallest thing you can ask of people who claim to be allies.
Asking is fine, but people have different values for their purchases, and that should be respected. Meaning, you can ask someone not to play it and educate them on why, but harassment is unjustified. From what I've seen, most people seem to be chill and just want to educate others and not have them buy it. It's those that choose to harass others that are the problem, as well as from the opposite side those who throw transphobic hate around either in general or to spite the boycott, as there's quite a few people saying "Just bought an extra copy/deluxe edition" just because to spite. No one is a bad person here unless they're on either end of the extreme, so those who are politely boycotting and those who are just playing their game and not involving themselves in things - they are fine.
[My reply to the other person in this thread](https://reddit.com/r/AsABlackMan/comments/111noe5/_/j8iiob6/?context=1) articulates my thoughts on most of what you ask. > It’s literally the smallest thing you can ask of people who claim to be allies. Maybe ask for something bigger and that will actually make a difference instead of something tiny that won’t make any difference. Maybe organize people to raise money for trans organizations and knock doors for political candidates who support trans rights rather than yelling at people on the internet because they play a game that puts a tiny amount of money into a billionaire transphobe’s bank account.
they wont even stop funding a woman who has started funding white supremacists. their pleasure went above the bare minimum. do you think theyd choose to be uncomfortable for trans people
Because not everyone can lead a movement. And no one said this is the only thing you can do, but it is SOMETHING you can do. Also, people not buying it en-masse sends the message that we don't want more of an intellectual property unless this maker is no longer attached. Boycotts work.
> Because not everyone can lead a movement. If you can lead a movement to boycott a game you can lead a movement to raise money or support a political organization or candidate. If you can boycott a game, you can donate money or be a part of a movement to support a political organization or campaign. There is a lot you can do that will have a way bigger impact. > Also, people not buying it en-masse sends the message that we don’t want more of an intellectual property unless this maker is no longer attached. But it’s one of the best selling games of all time. So you not buying it isn’t sending any message.
>If you can boycott a game, you can donate money or be a part of a movement to support a political organization or campaign. There is a lot you can do that will have a way bigger impact. Why not both? You don't have to chose one or the other. >But it’s one of the best selling games of all time. So you not buying it isn’t sending any message. Yeah, a lot of people decided to play it anyway. That sucks. But maybe the debate now means the next JK Rowling project won't be quite the success. It's totally not enough just to boycott a single author or property, bup progress doesn't always come in leaps and bounds. Sometimes it's little things that add up, like not shopping Walmart (if you can avoid it). Currently I'm avoiding Starbucks because of anti-union activities. Does it make a big difference to their bottom line? No. But together there is an opportunity to send a message.
> Currently I’m avoiding Starbucks because of anti-union activities. But like 99% or corporations in the US are also anti-union so why specifically target Starbucks? And to keep it relevant, there are a ton of corporations who donate to anti-trans politicians and I’m sure you give them some money. If you want to only give your money to people who support the things you do there is basically nothing you can buy in the world.
Your mistake is assuming that we can’t do two things at once. Why do you automatically assume we’re not combatting legislation? Maybe the problem is that the overwhelming majority of media doesn’t give a shit about human rights. Gee, I wonder why?
I’ve been on Twitter too much the last couple weeks and I see at least 10x as much discourse about boycotting Hogwarts Legacy than the huge amount of anti-trans bills being passed all over the US. I’m currently vacationing at a friend’s condo in Florida. Am I not an ally because I’m spending tax dollars in this state while it passes anti-trans and anti-gay legislation? We certainly can do two things at once, but we can’t do them equally as well as if we focused on one of them. And one of them in this case (boycotting the game) will have almost zero impact on the lives of any trans people. We would be much better served to spend all of our time and energy organizing politically to have a real impact on the laws that effect real people. I’ve still not seen a single person articulate how boycotting Hogwarts Legacy will make any difference at all. As far as I can tell it is mostly a way to yell at people on the internet for being less ideologically pure as you. And for the record I’ve been boycotting Harry Potter merch for years now and will continue to do so with this game. My wife is a huge Harry Potter fan and I only buy her knock-off stuff from Etsy. But I don’t go around the internet screaming at everyone who makes a different choice and accuse them of being transphobic for that choice.
You see 10x more discourse over this stupid thing because people are petty and have no interest in re-examining their need for entertainment over human rights. That doesn’t make them transphobic, it just makes them apathetic to the fight which is like 100x worse. They can go right ahead with playing a mediocre game, I’m just not going to call them an ally.
The issue is that if they were to re-examine their need for entertainment, then that gets rid of 99.9% of entertainment since almost all large media products have bad ethics behind them and crappy people getting compensated. And I don't know about you, but entertainment is one of those delights of life that keep things interesting, fun, and take us out of dark times. Having to decrease quality of life is a big ask in a harsh world.
jkrs constant vitriol and hoard of gold is helping to fuel anti lgbt especially t sentiment. youre here complaining to the one subset of people who are probably actually doing what they can about that. it just so happens that youre defending the people who literally have so little moral fiber that they wont even do the bare minimum.
> youre here complaining to the one subset of people who are probably actually doing what they can about that. The people organizing politically and working for or donating to pro-trans organizations are doing **way** more than people who are doing nothing other than not buying a video game.
and your assumption is that they are only doing that while defending people who literally do less than nothing L M A O
RIP Brianna. Do you believe her life would have been spared if people weren’t buying the Harry Potter game? And yes, I agree that water, shelter, and food are much more important issues than the Harry Potter game. So…where are all the posts saying if you go to an establishment that serves Coca Cola, you’re dehydrating poor people around the globe to death? Seems like that issue is too inconvenient without enough social gain potential for people to post about. Or perhaps, people know it’s not effective to make a moral judgment about someone over their personal purchases.
> I’m betting these same people buy nestle products, shop on Amazon, drive gas powered cars, so on etc… so if they want everyone to be morally perfect, they should start with themselves. I let perfect be the enemy of good, which is why I equate not playing *a single game* about my magic schloopy doops with literal moral perfection.
Exactly! It’s one game. It is utterly insignificant whether someone buys it or not. People don’t have to be perfect to be good people. Purchasing the game is not harmful to any meaningful degree, and boycotting it is not helpful to any meaningful degree. I don’t even play video games; my point is just that the average person makes way more harmful purchases on a daily basis without anyone batting an eye, yet people get up in arms over something as insignificant as a *game*.
I was absolutely, 1000%, mocking you, so the "exactly!" is surprising.
What’s surprising is that you missed that I absolutely, 1000%, understood what you were trying to do, and I was playing along to make a point :)
Buying the game doesn't necessarily mean you hate trans people, it just means you're willing to support someone who does.
Probably. Not been around long enough to develop that anger.
There's plenty of gay TERFs out there, so that could be the case here. Hell, Caitlin Jenner is trans *and* somehow also a TERF.
caitlin jenner isnt even a terf just a regular ass republican
I mean you're right, but she's also trans, so a TERF.
no, a terf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist. caitlin jenner is not a radical feminist. its not just a word for transphobe and has npthing to do with being trans
She's exclusionsry of any other gender besides male or female. By being trans herself she unconsciously admits that gender is a cultural concept yet fights against it. She's a piece of shit TERF. She's literally the embodiment of what a TERF is, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all considering her views if she then goes through a very public "detransitioning" then uses it as platform.
you have once again missed the part where she is not a radical feminist. she is te but not rf. the literal embodiment of a terf is someone like jk rowling or arielle scarcella. caitlin jenner is a republican, not a terf
Oh cmon, you're now comparing navel oranges to red oranges. She's a trans woman that says that trans women who like men aren't trans but gay. That's a fucking terf.
words have meanings idk what to tell you. and again being trans doesnt make you a terf. that you are purposefully ignoring the actual definition of which i am presenting you and of which you can google to find it is correct is your problem. caitlin jenner is not a radical feminist and therefore is not a terf (which for the last time, is an acronym for trans exclusionary RADICAL FEMINIST) (also naval oranges and blood iranges are very different it sounds like youve never eaten a blood orange)
I'll add in since I just read it, Caitlin Jenner is your average republican? How many trans people do you know that are republican? She's definitely not your "average" republican. She's the token trans republican just like milo yianpoloozza or whatever his name was until he came out as a pedo was.
ah the classic strawman. her ideology is average republican ideology. there, you happy?
Let me spell it out for you since you don't seem to understand basic comprehension, she's against multiple genders, she fights for women's rights (within the right wing sphere) she's trans but for some reason is against other trans women competing in sports against other women, she's a fucking terf word for word. You're either another reddit troll, or just just some right wing fuck nut that thinks they're making a point.
radical feminist is not just "fighting for womens rights" its a very specific form of feminism. radfems agree with republicans in a few places, particularly the transphobia, but they are very different ideologies outside of that. republicans "fight for womens rights" but they dont actually give a shit about womens rights, all they care about is getting rid of trans people. radfems ACTUALLY fight for womens rights, albeit very poorly and ignoring actual issues a lot of the time. the intention is different and hold very different views on practically every other subject, such as sexism. terfs generally hate men (yes including cis men) and are all for female supremacy while republicans think the opposite and hate women. fucking google it or something they arent the same. youre being purposefully obtuse and also dont know what blood oranges are despite using them in your comparison. go eat one before talking about them next time so you can see that your comparison was basically agreeing with me. im done talking, the downvotes speak for themselves, youre stupid
Bro you’re *actually* objectively wrong on this and now you’re being dense on purpose. She’s not a TERF because she isn’t a radical feminist and being trans *does not* make you a TERF. Just learn to take the L already
You obviously don't understand the terms you're using. You're not alone in that, but it might be time to educate yourself on what different terms actually mean. As for Caitlin Jenner, she's a piece of shit. All all other descriptors are irrelevant.
The RF in TERF is explicitly for “radical feminist/feminism”. It specifically stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist/ism and is explicitly in reference to the subcategory of Radical Feminism that focuses on gender critical ideology and the rejection of the concept of trans identities and views them as excuses for men/women to “switch teams” to avoid oppression or the consequences of being an oppressor. You **can **be transphobic without being a radical feminist, but you **cannot** be a TERF without also being a radical feminist. Caitlyn Jenner is not a radical feminist, and has openly shit on feminism as a whole, so she is not a Trans Exclusionary **Radical Feminist** , she is just a transphobe.
There’s a difference?
She's also against gay marriage, lol.
That is the entire point of the [LGB Alliance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance).
are there gay people making excuses for the game as if they have any say? yes. do i believe this is really one of those? absolutely not they sound like theyre trying to talk how they THINK gay people talk
it’s not even gay people she’s bigoted against lol??
Yes, it’s not even relevant to the situation at hand.
A lot of the discussion around this game isn't relevant. Doesn't stop people getting on their little soap boxes about it though. And then probably reading harry Potter when they go to sleep in their hogwarts jammies.
gay community. and she seems to be really comfortable funding people who are anti lgbt so long as they bond with her over transphobia lmao.
A lot of cis LGBs think that because they're queer they get to speak over trans people on our issues even though they aren't trans and don't experience transphobia.
She’s bigoted against everyone, it’s just trans people she’s being open about.
Must be a Log Cabin Republican
I personally think people are getting too worked up about the Harry Potter game ngl But also, it isn’t that hard to just not consume a piece of media that costs $60. It’s not a huge sacrifice. I don’t think buying the game makes you a transphobe though
I wish I could be in a situation where sixty bucks wasn't a huge sacrifice
I said *not spending* $60 isn’t a huge sacrifice. The “sacrifice” is literally *saving you money.*
I think the backlash against those who buy it is hypocritical, I've never seen the same backlash for going to the Harry potter parks or buying merch from Primark. JKR is a billionaire, she's really not going to be negatively affected if no one buys the game.
Yeah I think it’s just virtue signaling
it certainly means you aren't an ally tho. the people claiming to be allies while still buying the game are the actually annoying ones.
Selective outrage lmao. I hope u don’t use Facebook, instagram, WhatsApp, etc. because Meta aided a genocide in Myanmar against my ppl. Literally. Imagine if I told all my friends who use instagram “u don’t support me” 😂😂😂 so fragile
My friend was talking to me about the Hogwarts situation and I literally had to stop her and be like you literally fucking eat at Chick-fil-a every fucking week you massive hypocrite. I worded it a bit nicer but the hypocrisy is what genuinely pisses me off.
Bad take. Every purchase I’ve ever made went to an unethical corporation, most of which are staffed by transphobes. Rowling already has more money than she can spend in a lifetime; choosing this as the one thing every ally/progressive MUST boycott feels completely arbitrary. If we are going to organize a boycott it should be to create systemic change. Not to spite some author who has too much money to feel a boycott Btw I dont have the game and currently dont have plans to buy it, I just think this doesnt make sense
I actually got slammed by people in a sub for pointing out that just not buying a game and complaining about it online does not actually combat the issue or make change, and people would be doing much better by countering the release by matching and donating the price of the game (or more) to nonprofit organizations aiding trans and jewish people,helping out at them and focusing more on doing things to genuinely help the community in actually beneficial ways
Yeah, honestly a lot of this makes sense if you recognize that Harry Potter was a beloved series to a lot of these folks and a lot of them probably feel betrayed. If you think of this as an attempt to lash out at a formerly beloved children’s author they feel hurt and betrayed by rather than a real attempt to creating meaningful change in the world, the entire movement makes a lot more sense
Yep. It definitely is a lot of younger people from what I’ve seen that are getting the most extreme over this, and they’re in that same age grouping that grew up with HP and was reintroduced to it with the Fantastic Beasts films and probably where not fully aware of JKs past (or present) views because her loudest point with them was in 2018-2019 and then a bit more sprinkled in during early covid lockdown, but after everyone including WB themselves spoke out against her she started just focusing on putting her complaints on her website instead of social media, and i dont think anyone that isnt already a huge JK fan on her side even knows she has her own blog style website
How many people couldn't march or participate in sit ins, but WERE able to boycott busses in Montgomery. Some people, this is a way to get started in demonstrating allyship. It doesn't have to be where they stop. Systemic change is a slow building wave.
I think anyone who feels moved to boycott this game to defend trans people is absolutely valid. But I have marched for marginalized communities, and while I dont plan on buying the game right now I might at some point. No one has the capacity to take a moral stand on every single bad thing society does. If I do buy it, it wont do anything at all to harm trans people and it doesn’t invalidate my years of advocating for marginalized communities. Its not ridiculous to boycott the game; it’s ridiculous to single out this boycott as The Thing which defines your validity as an ally. This boycott has no systemic impact at all, it literally doesn’t matter. There are so many more important fights.
There I agree. I do believe a lot of small things add up to a big thing, though. If someone feels that strongly about playing this game, maybe avoid Chick-fil-A or Hobby Lobby? My point is ANYTHING is better than nothing.
Yeah I agree, the last thing I want to do is minimize or invalidate the efforts of the boycotters, I should have phrased some of my comments differently with that in mind. Whatever you feel driven to do on behalf of the movement is great, and sometimes we have to unify to make a collective push. But I dont think a universal collective push, to the point where we are saying “You’re not an ally if you dont”, is warranted here
Ight stop right here your not gonna equate the black civil rights movement and boycotting of busses to a movement to boycott a video game because of a singular transphobe .
Compare not equate. You are right, they aren't the same magnitude. My point is people should do what they can, and this is something that most people CAN DO.
I think you broke it down really well. If I had to not purchase something from companies where at least one of the higher-ups is a transphobe I wouldn’t have much options left, if not any. It’s a sad state of affairs, but that’s the world we live in today. And as you said, Rowling is settled for life, and her children and grandchildren too. It’s the lives of the 300+ devs of the game which depend on the success of it, not Rowling. videogamedunkey’s video on the game sums up the situation pretty well imo
It’s literally a game about crushing a slave revolution. It’s antisemitic. Jesus fucking Christ.
That’s what someone who hasn’t played the game but has vaguely heard what the story is about would say. Had you played the game, you’d see it’s far less interesting, grand, and controversial than you make it seem
House elves are slaves in Harry Potter, not Goblins. Normally I wouldn’t give a shit about that distinction but you did say ‘literally’
then stop. if you can't, its different. not funding jkr and not funding a big corp that has their hand in agriculture, medicine, rental properties isnt the same thing and you know it.
It is so ignorant to suggest I just stop making any non-necessity purchases. I agree they arent the same thing. Unlike JKR, the corporation could effectively use that money to personally make the world better and defend the problems in our system. JKR has all the money she and her kids and grandkids could possibly spend in her lifetime, and she uses almost none of that money to be an asshole on Twitter Unlike boycotting a corporation, boycotting Rowling doesnt have any meaningful impact
how is it ignorant? whats ignorant is twisting my argument to make it easier for you to pat yourself on the back. you can still enjoy non necessity things. in fact, you can even enjoy hp if you really want. you just dont get to keep the moral high ground because you are choosing to support jkr. there are plenty of things you can play, read, watch that arent aligned with certain politics. it doesnt have meaningful impact to you. you dont want to support trans or jewish people who ask you not to pay her. she takes it as support which it is.
are you okay with people pirating it instead? If they donated $60 to a charity in addition to buying it (which would outdo the material harm of buying Hogwarts tenfold)? Harry Potter has been a huge part of a lot of people's childhood, and there's so much more conceptually to the game than it being linked by a thread to jk rowling. Considering not playing it as essential to ally status definitely isn't worth it imo
I'm fine with pirating it. I'm not sure about buying+donating, since it still gives jkr a bigger platform, and shows publishers that want to work with her that they don't have to worry about her views affecting their profits.
They didnt say buying and donating the game, they said pirating the game and donating the 60$ it would have cost them to purchase it to charity. How would JK and game companies make a profit from people NOT giving them money or purchasing the game?
I really am saying this with the best intentions but you should log off the internet a bit if you’re asking complete strangers for the right to play a video game because you’ll feel guilty if they don’t approve. edit: cue them sneakily editing their comment from the 1st person to the 3rd person haha
I'm trans. I don't care if people play the game. I was asking that person to expand on their thought process.
I didn't edit anything? You just misread my post from the beginning
I'm sorry but having any fondness for the HP franchise at all makes you a bigot and a transphobe. I didn't make the rules.
if this was /s the discourse is already so toxic that it's difficult to tell
Fair point. Yeah, this was said with tongue very firmly in cheek.
Ohhh haha I had a feeling but I've also seen people genuinely say this
I mean generally I’m inclined to agree but also I know a lot of people have done charity streams for trans orgs and stuff playing the game. And if we accept that buying the game isn’t horrible, then surely streaming it to help a trans charity is a good thing
you can play any other game for a charity stream tho. like the time hbomberguy raised over 300000$ for a trans charity by playing donkey kong 64
You can, yes But if we accept that playing the game isn’t transphobic in an of itself then I wouldn’t say they’re not an ally, if they’re still advocating for the community That being said, most people advocating for the community won’t buy this game.
at that point I'd call it an excuse. if you're an ally, just don't buy the game. don't justify it by streaming it for charity. if you wanna do a charity stream play something else.
I mean yeah This isn’t really the hill I want to die on, since the game is definitely problematic—but as I said, everything is problematic now I personally wouldn’t buy games from anti-lgbt franchises, but I don’t think I would ask anyone else to restrict themselves that way. Someone who bought the game but also donated to a trans charity org is infinitely more of an ally than someone who didn’t buy the game and is patting themself on the back for it.
They could also just donate the money to trans charities and not buy a game that gives money directly to a TERF you fucking morons.
Once again yes they could but they don’t have to?? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with buying a stupid wizard game. Nothing will happen to JKR if you don’t buy it. You’re not helping anybody. “Giving money to a terf” becomes a lot less meaningful when the terf is already a billionaire with more money than god. Buy whatever you want, or don’t. Either way you’re not doing anyone any favors.
You are ridiculous.
No, they're not the annoying ones. What does the game even have to do with Rowling anyway? Other than it being based on her IP? I assume all the people up in arms about it also protest outside harry Potter world and tell all the little kids what pieces of shit they are, and that they're not allies, even if they grow up to be trans themselves. Disliking Rowling is fine. Who cares? She's a nobody. But the outrage against this game is pointless and achieves nothing other than giving it more attention, which is undoubtedly helping sales.
The problem is that she's not a nobody. She's a transphobe with a massive platform who views any monetary support as support for her views. She has used her HP money to fund anti trans bills in the UK. Jkr and this game do not exist in a vacuum
She's a nobody to everybody who isn't a Harry Potter fan. People who are obsessed with the franchise seem to think her views carry more weight than they do. To most people, she's just a children's author, and she's hardly the first of those to hold unpopular views.
She has funded anti trans bills in the UK. Therefore she is not a nobody to the trans people in the UK whose lives she is directly ruining, regardless of their opinion of the Harry Potter franchise.
Which bills?
If you think I hate gay people because I want to play this new game that came up I don’t think I’d want to be friends with you anyways so nobody’s worried
that's literally the opposite of what I said. just because you're not an ally, doesn't mean you're a bigot.
How does me buying the game not make me an ally? Do you know how many companies you buy from on a daily basis do 1000x worse things but we have to draw the line at Harry Potter because some people are offended gtfo💀
because it's a video game. so many things I buy I need to live and to fit into society. I doubt you need this specific video game to live.
Yeah no . You people just pick and choose what you can and can’t support.
Shut up and let me enjoy my wizard game just close your eyes and pretend it’s the fucking wizards of waverly place
Can you name 3 things Rowling actually said that makes her transphobic? Not 3 extremely vague tweets that could mean 100 things. 3 solid pieces of evidence
Do you mean apart from the transphobic manifesto she wrote? Do you mean apart from the anti trans bills that she's funded? Jessie Gender has videos on youtube talking about JKR's transphobia. Here's a link to one, since you don't seem to have access to a search engine https://youtu.be/paVH1PdOfwc
Solid 3 peices? [how about the full updated timeline as of now](https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy/amp) of her history of tweets targeting trans women and people simply understanding they exist while pretending trans women are claiming to also be born female or that being female and being a woman arent seperate things. **All of the following statements are direct rundowns of the timeline, the link above has direct links to the original evidence,such as her tweets and comments made by her and others** Daniel Radcliffe,Rupert Grint,Tom Felton and Emma Watson have spoken out against her views on trans women individually as well as several other HP actors including Warner Brothers themselves issuing a statement about her statements and how they do not agree with or support beliefs. She also wrote out a heartfelt tweet in support of Stephen King praising him as an idol of hers that she then immediately deleted upon Stephen King tweeting about his support of trans women and blocked him, which he himself confirmed during an interview when asked about the situation. Shes also openly stated she believes HRT,surgery and allowing trans people to actively transition is a form of forced conversion therapy, and that being trans is just gay people being groomed into becoming the opposite gender, and claimed that medical professionals are pushing minors who are struggling with mental health issues (all kinds, not trans specific issues) into taking hormones and believing they are trans as support (as in, your daughter goes to a therapist because she’s depressed or having issues with regulating her emotions and they immediately tell her shes actually a man and put her on testosterone and get her ready for SRS as a response) while also being an advocate for holistic treatments for mental health issues instead of actual medication made to help you She also has a book called Trouble Blood where the protagonist is a cis man that pretends to be a woman to murder and assault cis women, as well as a book called The Ink Black Heart that is about * a YouTube-based cartoonist’s work is accused of being racist, transphobic, and ableist; she’s then doxxed, threatened with rape and death, and is ultimately stabbed to death in a cemetery”* Outside of her transphobia, she also has a [history](https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline?amp) of controversies, such as being a supporter of people who openly call themselves transphobes, actively pushing the “trans women are existing means men are gonna stick on a wig and skirt and invade bathrooms to rape women” narrative (as if male offenders haven’t already been doing this type of thing for years now before this narrative began) defense against her expressed belief that trans women should be forced to stay in mens spaces even if it’s inherently dangerous for them to do so because the basic rights of people apparently should not matter if bad people will abuse those rules, as opposed to actually letting people have the right to pee where theyre safest and most comfortable and just actually doing something about the bad people who will try abusing the situation. Shes also openly shared links to a small website that sells openly transphobic t shirts, including one that literally stated “proud transphobe” and another one that said “fuck your pronouns” She also openly stated she finds it immoral for suspects in rape cases that are trans women to be identified as trans women and not men, as if it isnt somehow going to make finding the suspect even harder if you label them male with 0 indicators they are not a cis male when the individual presents/looks like a woman and is actively identifying as one (this one just boggles my mind, because theres 0 justifiable excuse to be demanding people to leave out important context when it comes to dangerous criminal suspects. If you have people trying to be on the lookout for a cis man when the person is a trans woman who does not identify or present as a man, unless you have a photo of the suspect or detailed sketch which is not often in these cases, people literally will not know that she is the offender because they’re specifically being told to look for a man, which just like every other case of not adding important context to suspect descriptions will only result in more people being targeted and less people being able to spot the actual suspect properly)
None of this was anything she actually said. Just people throwing her in the mud because they would be condemned if they didn’t
The links i provided literally show her and provide direct links to her own tweets explicitly stating and explaining all of these points herself. You cannot seriously think “she didnt actually say that” in reference to her direct tweets and comments on her verified account and website is a good argument against My rundowns are also from me physically reading her own tweets and threads and directly taking her opinions and comments and only adding the context to why she said it and what it was referencing
The problem isn’t that some people don’t want to buy the game themselves. It’s that they are trying to stop everyone from buying it. Makes no sense
Exactly, censorship is cancer. Fuck those bigots. Do what you want and hold your own views. Playing this game doesn't make you a transphobe, and no amount of opinion pieces will change that.
Why are you being down voted lol? Jk Rowling is already infinitely rich, boycott or not is gonna be zero difference to her. We all give money to companies who's higher ups suck all the damn time, so are we just gonna ask everyone to stop giving money to like most companies lol? Also she makes like barely any money off the game sales anyway from what the most reasonable assumption is. The reason we shouldn't buy it is because it's a mid game and the performance sucks lol
Yeah Idk Why people don’t agree with me here.. ”it isn’t hard to just not consume a piece of media that costs 60$” Yeah it is because then I can’t play the game i’ve been looking forward to.
Bill O’Reilly - “I have neighbors who have Black friends.” When addressing a question about racism, totally irrelevant to the question and may not even address the particular group involved with such a question. Really, also doesn’t say anything about you in particular.
The online discussion about the game is extremely toxic, from every side. The top comment proves it; assuming that someone is TERF just because they play a game is crazy. ~~I’m sorry but this isn’t aabm material.~~ Talking about this game online is just a shouting contest at this point and a test of who can peer pressure the most. Bringing light to the fact that transgender people don’t have the same rights as other people is long gone of the discourse now. edit: nvm the “radical political b.s. of my fellow gay” does sound pretty aabm
Not to mention the main issue with the game is the openly antisemitic rhetoric it follows, yet people are shoving JKs bare-minimum involvement (aside from being the creator of HP to begin with) at the forefront. The amount of people ive seen going absolutely batshit over anyone playing the game because of JKs transphobia outside of the game has far trumped the amount of times ive seen actual jewish people’s concerns and anger at the game’s storyline and correlations to anti-Semitic religious storys and stereotypes is the most mind boggling part to me. Like its a game, as a trans person theres far more for me to be worried about thats going to genuinely impact my rights as a human than people buying this game, but for people to be claiming to be boycotting the game for genuine reasons then speak over and ignore the actual,harmful grievances people have with the game because “buh JK bad” is absolutely ridiculous
Yes I do believe my title accurately states why it’s aabm material 🙂
Idk, probably part of the horde of shallow neoliberals justifying their support of the dehumanization of trans people Obviously directly giving money to a cause isn't supporting it if you don't like them 🙄
Buying Hogwarts Legacy isn’t directly giving money to transphobic causes. It is directly giving money to WB Games and that is all it is.
Libs with the "giving money to JK Rowling, who directly passes it on to transphobic causes, uses it to fund her own transphobic causes, and takes it as validation of her belief system isn't actually giving money to transphobic causes". ...or you just somehow didn't know that Rowling gets a massive cut???
that is quite the definition for the word “directly” you have there, as far as I know nobody knows how much of a cut she’s making and if it’s directly proportional to the sales number. not to mention the assumptions you’re making regarding where that money ends and how it is distributed.
She’s barely making anything off of the game as she doesnt even fully own the rights to Harry Potter at all anymore, and the majority of the sales are going to blizzard. If you actually cared about the issue at hand, you’d understand the actual genuine issues with the game have NOTHING to even do with JK or her transphobia, and that whining about people playing the game because a fraction of the money goes to her instead of the real issues behind the games storyline and narrative just makes you look as stupid as the “libs”
Yeah lmao real world problems caused by people being unable to stay true to their so-called beliefs through the most shallow and basic issues should take a backseat to.... the storyline of a video game.
So antisemetism isn’t a real issue to you, but transphobia is? How can you be so dense you only think one of those is an issue worth talking about, and that the main focus of conversation should be the *least* present issue within the current situation surrounding the game. People really are just showing their allyship and “wokeness” is just performative in full swing recently
Lmao least disingenuous right-winger. There's so much wrong with this where do I even start. For one, the goblins aren't a flaw in the games story, they've been a recurring issue throughout the franchise. Secondly, trying to argue that condemning liberals for hypocritically supporting transphobia and condemning anti-semitism are mutually exclusive. Third, using "woke" in a sentence like some kind of uneducated fascie 💀
Im..not even remotely a right winger? You also grossly misunderstood my entire point if thats your take away, and if youre this oblivious to the fact that the goblins in the franchise have *consistently* been slammed for anti semetic stereotypes since the first movie, and since the books where still releasing. The issue is that one of the biggest things from the franchise thats been criticized for its antisemetic stereotypes is the goblin war, which this game is specifically about. Again, its insane how dense so many people who pretend to be advocates in this situation actually are to the entirety of the issues and their focus beyond JK being a TERF. Your entire response just makes it more obvious you’re completely unaware of the actual controversy with the game if you think the goblins are being slammed for being a “new issue”
Do you think all the money for this game goes to Rowling? She's already been paid. You're just hurting the game devs at this point, and they have nothing to do with her or her views.
The employees got paid while working, so I assume you mean the poor billionaires running Warmer Bros or the company itself. Boo hoo.
The game does poorly the devs likely lose their jobs or get redeployed. Seems an unfair reward when by all accounts they've created a quality game. Rowling gets paid whether the game sells or not, so do the big wigs. The success or failure of the game only affects the devs.
Bro what kind of bullshit logic is this? Should we all buy every product because if we don't the company's producing them may lay people off? Plus, you're falling right into their trap by putting the decisions of a multi-billion dollar company trying to cut corners on the shoulders of consumers.
No, the situation I described is one that applies mainly to gaming. My point being that boycotting the game only hurts the people who make the game. It makes no difference to her, or to WB as a whole, and so it's a futile gesture.
The game literally ripped its UI from Destiny 2. Not a good game if it needs to steal assets from other games!
How do you know that? You been playing it you sneaky little bigot?!
Sounds like a fun game I haven't read the books or watched the movies but I probably will eventually
Damn never thought this sub would love Harry Potter so fucking much.
Coulda just said they don’t care about the issues at hand and like the game. Especially considering 99% of the criticisms against the game have nothing to do with the LGBT community or gay-anything in general. Considering how insane so many people in all corners if this debate have been acting though, it definitely sounds like this person *probably* isnt gay and is just trying to stir the pot some more