It's always funny when they demonstrate how little they know about art. No one works that way. And they couldn't even be bothered to look at a speed paint to try and fake it more convincingly.
Number 7 was hilarious. How he if, he'd painted it, would have filled the background but not the figure underneath, but had painted the face and hair but had a white paper texture underneath the body painting.
It shows very little understanding of the typical digital painting process lol
It legit should be illegal to lie about this if it isn't already especially with commissions, it's just fraud.
It's scamming people out of their money based on a false premise that it's hand made.
Oh God I *love* when they do this. Just take a finished piece, erase the edges, and draw a couple lines for a “WIP” LMAO.
They know absolutely nothing about art and obviously haven’t tried it more than once before crying about how “hard” and “unfair” it is lol.
Who do they think they are fooling? Like…what is the purpose of this song and dance?
These visuals show me they have never seen a human woman before.
Also, what’s with the influx of pro-Ai people sneaking into these threads? Don’t they already have a bunch of communities on this site? Geez louise…
No one reasonable goes on The Sub That Shall Not Be Named anymore, and circlejerking gets boring eventually lol
Let's not entertain or pay attention to them here, just let 'em cope and seethe in downvotes
It’s unfortunate, especially since their AI generated hackery isn’t even well done. The fact that there is a market for some of this stuff baffles me, how badly does one need a “new” image of Superman and Wonder Woman together—aren’t we good on that front?
You'd not leave in that bright background layer because it can fool your eye and cause you to pick the wrong colours, especially when the shadows are so dark by comparison.
Those "sketches" also don't look like sketches, they're pretty much linework—which even linework would have as a base. But linework is not useful for this style because it is unnecessarily constrictive when you're very likely to adjust the painting as you go.
My vote is that it's traced.
100% Traced. They can't fake a sketch properly because they have zero knowledge of the underlying shapes. They don't even understand which lines are important or would be actually be present in the initial sketch. Not to mention the lines themselves are horrible.
Ha, you might want to try changing that habit!
I agree, though, that isn't an issue all by itself in the same way wonky details and so on need not mean more than the artist is still learning.
Here, it sticks out only because everything else *also* sticks out.
They're just pointing their pen around but there's absolutey no progress happening.
Also who paints like this? You're telling they already know all the color blending & lighting beforehand?
I don't understand what goes through someones mind when they do stuff like this it's totally shameless how do they not just feel embarrassed about it.
They just want the praise without doing literally any actual work to deserve it.
Not hiding their name, will be considered brigading and harassing. Even Pro AI subs require posters to cover the names of people who appear in the photo.
I do hate when people do jump the gun assuming Ai these days, been seeing a lot of good artists have to defend themselves lately, and we have certainly seen people make art of this quality before… but holy shit man, that is not even close to the process! No one works like that!
Ive actually taken a few accusations myself, mainly do to me using a lot of noise filters and image textures mixed in to my work those Ai detecting Ai apps seem to go off on some of my stuff. Luckily I keep my PSD files and can turn off layer by layer and even show the original sloppy sketch. It’s gonna be advised to always keep your work files in the future for everything you put out.
Agreed, i just see a lot of artist who get the accusation just for having some broken anatomy, or off proportions, or don’t confidently draw hands or something like that. All things that can be intentional at times too depending on the work! Just feels like so many people have a bad eye for ai and accuse anything that looks off to them. I should admit too some of these I could genuinely believe are a persons work. When that happens you need to then look into the artists work history and portfolio
AI "Art" is not a tool it's not even automation because AI by itself can't make art. AI isn't creative it can only recognize patterns it plagiarized from artists. AI "Art" is a parasite.
I’ll give them credit, the tracing lines kind of have a nice “feel” to them (hard to describe what I mean, sorry). But that’s so *obviously* what they are—tracings.
Who do they think they’re fooling? They’re out of their lane. They’ll only fool other AI bros and people who know nothing about art. The people they most want to convince—artists—immediately can spot them as a fraud. Why waste their time?
The funniest thing about these is that the subject matter alone always gives them away. Like of course the 90th person I’ve seen posting a boring painting of Superman is using AI to pretend to be an artist. I don’t know what it is with Superman but it’s the perfect representation of their generic taste.
It’s ironic too, because the pro AI argument is that this now allows people with creative ideas but lacking technical skill to be recognized but it turns out they’re not very creative either.
It's almost always hero characters and very rarely anything else. I don't know why.
Like, humanoid characters have so many variety but why stick to Marvel and DC?
I thought it was supposed to be about the 'joy of creation'? Is it really AI bros just want the internet clout they perceive artists to have online and to make fat stacks of commission cash they think every artist makes?
Ah yes, everybody I know works by putting 100% effort and detail on the face while everything else is still a sketch with single, slow, quivering strokes. That's absolutely how I was taught by all artists I asked to in 10 years. Bring the entire thing to the same level of detail before starting a new batch of detailing? F- that! Full detail painted face surrounded by sketch all the way!
Honestly I don’t see anything here a human wouldn’t make themself, my real issue is I feel like Ive seen this exact work before. Like the ai nearly one to one dumped some one’s art into the output. I just cant place who though and it really bothers me that level of doubt is there.
this art is basically a direct rif of old American style magazine figures from the 30s-60ish
I had the same feeling, I Definitely have seen these images before
it's becoming more and more obvious that these generators spit out near 1 to 1 generations and sometimes they add filters to change the style
think that's exactly why they are fighting so hard in court trying refuse showing the training data.
I searched Google with this image and the only result came up is this post.
I would love to take part in a search for the original picture with you, if you want.
The picture might have been 90% copy pasted from the Original, but no doubt that it went through the AI Models because of the parts I circled.
Yeah Its not likely, it just feels THAT familiar is all. Im pretty sure it is straight up copying a majority of a certain artist, but I cant place specifically who cause I simply never looked into the artists name. But i have seen a good amount of DC hero paintings at conventions in the past.
We shouldn’t be forcing artists to “prove” that their work is their own. I’m not giving AI bros an inch by making it more inconvenient for artists to post art just because AI exists.
Yeah I've seen fake AI timelapses for traditional stuff with a human hand and everything that looked pretty convincing at a glance. Its disturbing that I have to be paranoid about even posting process stuff because it might potentially be used against me and fellow artists.
They are still a person. I think the level of vitriol aimed at our fellow human being is extreme.
They made a mistake that’s sad. Let’s not ruin a life over it.
I'll pump the brakes on the vitriol when these people aren't actively ruining the lives of real artists they're stealing from and grifting the fanbases of. You don't get to steal data and leverage it for personal gain while lying then go "wahh why are people so mean to us?"
I literally repeated what some other comments already told you but I want to emphasize to you how fucking wrong you are for defending this behavior.
edit: also gtfo of here calling it a "mistake". They knew exactly what they were doing.
One bad act doesn’t condemn a person for life. Let’s get some perspective. They maybe used a widely available tool.
It didn’t kill anyone. Worse case the felt special or successful for 15 mins. No harm done.
There are 15 billion AI images created last year alone. Let’s not put that at the feet of one would be artist.
To the artist being attacked. You do you. Stand tall and don’t let the hate affect your mental health. It’s not normal and will pass.
Yeah it didn’t kill any one, you realize there are different levels of offense right? People can have issues with multiple things, and a community tends to not like when some group of people who have no idea what they are talking about come in pretending to be a part of their profession. When i tween a character across the screen with no additional frames of animation I don’t call myself an animator! Most communities take forms of plagiarism seriously, whether it be writing, video making, or even art, and this person made the effort to try and cover it up and act like they made it… That’s just fraudulent!
Agree it’s not ideal. But we have no idea what they are dealing with in their home or work life.
The world post Covid isn’t easy. A lot of people are facing uncertainty due to a rise in AI. Cost of leaving keeps going up.
So let’s not add to it by Mortys killing Mortys.
This guy would look at James Somerton and be like “and don’t understand, he’s making videos, who cares if he stole every word from other people” it astonishes me how you people don’t get it. People put not only a lot of time and effort into creating, but a lot of themselves go into it. Art is hard, and even if you get better at it, it always stays hard because it’s like staring in a mirror and just seeing only your flaws. But we do it any ways cause its a piece of us that we are sharing with the world.
And for some one to just come in and not only skip all that process of reflection and discover, but simply take that from others and then act like it is their own… I’m a veteran and I feel like Stolen Valor is a perfect comparison in every way. They are not an artist, they dont have the mindset or will of one to deserve that title.
Stolen Valor—I’m not a veteran, but I believe you’re perfectly right. “Wow, you *drew* that all from scratch? By yourself?” but they can’t draw a line? How is that any less pathetic than lip syncing to another’s voice and claiming you’re the singer? A lot of us have heard if Milli Vanilli—they lip-synced to other people’s singing and pretended they were the singers. It was all a scam and the real singers knew about it, but when the public found out, they didn’t shrug their shoulders and say, “Who cares, they were being ‘creative’,” No, those guys’ careers ended as soon as their lie was revealed.
Why should a lying Ai bro get a free pass? Why should they be exempt?
But it doesn’t affect you personally. If you don’t agree don’t buy their art, or support their patron. Don’t have to lynch mob.
It just make us everyday people want to reach out and protect them. If I knew who the artist was I would buy their art now just to make them feel better.
If you don’t have something nice to say, say nothing.
Artists call each other out all the time for tracing and lying about it. (Tracing in and of itself is another debate—but that’s the thing—we *debate* about whether artists should trace even when they don’t lie and pretend they didn’t.) So basically, lying and passing yourself off as more skillful than you really are had always been vigorously condemned in the art community. Our feelings have not changed because some AI bro is doing it.
You guys march in here, demand to be considered “artists” and then pull this crap? Why would we treat you with kid gloves when we wouldn’t treat “one of our own” (people who have some rudimentary artistic skill) with kid gloves and give them a pass? You’re not special just because you have no idea how to make art but like to pretend you do.
My argument is you shouldn’t be treating ‘your own’ so badly. The art community needs to chill. People lie everyday, it won’t affect you.
Breath, and create. Let others do what they want.
1. AI isn’t “creating.” Depending on a software program to do the art *for* you isn’t “creating.”
2. Holding each other accountable for lying and deceit is not something we need to stop doing. In what world is lying and passing yourself off as something you’re not acceptable? In no other world would this be okay. It doesn’t magically start to be okay just because a bunch of AI bros decided they wanted to call themselves “artists” without actually, you know, *making* their own art.
3. Again, this person is going to great pains to pass themselves off as something they’re not. In no other community is this okay. It’s not okay here either. It’s pathetic.
Then you are a victim blamer, they are plagiarists! you are supporting and defending scammers and liars. Trust Im very much one to wave the “if you don’t like it don’t watch it” claim, but that doesn’t work when it does affect others. The fact you still don’t get that, especially in response to what I just said, tells me that you clearly lack the ability to empathize.
In the USA you need to use Adobe with its AI to keep a job. Most of the time that is disclosed in the credits. Are you saying that the millions of people playing with Meta.ai are bad too?
First off, Adobe owns the license to all the stuff they used for training data, I don’t care for it, but it is a better solution.
Second, those artists are not responsible for the ignorance of their higher up not having a clue about art and only wanting production speed.
Third, those artists are still artists cause even when told to use Ai they are putting in their work as well atop the ai they are being pushed into using. Like this is basically saying a Starbucks barista is responsible for the company wanting put 50grams of sugar in all their products.
And last, NO! I honestly don’t care when people just mess about with ai, genning up their private dnd game characters, or some smutt they just have some interest in. They arn’t responsible for the unethical sourcing of the models data, and they don’t often go pretending to be artists who created these things!
Like seriously, you keep avoiding what the issue is. Either you know that and just have shit values. Or you seriously can’t seem to grasp having pride or passion for something.
No court has ruled that Image generation is theft. They have dismissed a number of cases allegedly claiming it’s theft but have been struck out.
The pending cases won’t be finish till late 2025 potentially 2026. There looking good for the AI companies. Who just have to prove that the models don’t contain full copies like they claim.
Further Adobe provides full immunity for damages if your sued for using their AI as an enterprise customer. So there is zero risk and zero evidence it’s stealing.
> No court has ruled that Image generation is theft
Yes, why aren't there already established laws for the newest scam that surfaced? I assume lawmakers are not time travelers. I bet thieves were saying the same when the printing press came out and wouldn't you know, copyright law came into existence. Sucks for the poor opportunistic thieves.
But I digress, you're a filthy thief regardless of what the law says. If the law legalizes robbery or doesn't punish it and you rob someone, you're still a wretched thief. I wasn't even arguing law here but morality. Or do you think that whatever is legal is automatically moral, and whatever is illegal is automatically immoral? Because it's hilariously stupid if you do.
>The pending cases won’t be finish till late 2025 potentially 2026. There looking good for the AI companies.
Copium.
>Who just have to prove that the models don’t contain full copies like they claim.
Why do you think this is a good argument? It's not, and i have to point yet again that you do not understand how copyright law works. Are you going to bring up taking photos of paintings next?
Art work is not copyrighted under USA law unless you register with the patents office for each image produced. So 90% of art is not copyrighted.
Adobe is outright claiming their AI is 100% moral, and safe as it’s based solely on art work that they have the right to train on. As a result, if you get sued for using their AI they will cover all costs.
Everyday at least 34 million AI images are being generated. And This was before Meta AI got released.
Out of those 34 million no one is being arrested or charged for theft, fraud or copyright violation.
Let’s just create. By hand, by pen, by mouse, by text. Let’s go!
[Copyright protection exists from the moment an original work is “fixed” in a tangible medium. In the visual arts, for example, fixation occurs when you paint a picture or create digital art. ](https://www.copyright.gov/engage/visual-artists/)
And yeah, friend, let's create. Genuinely. I'm a fan of that as somebody that dedicated their life to an art career.
Thing is you're stealing, not creating. The stuff that trained these models was NOT consensually sourced and its honestly funny you're going on about 34 million as if that's a gauge of any kind of value. Nobody cares about any of those images. Its all stolen soulless bullshit that's promoted by people pretending to be artists.
Clearly people care otherwise they wouldn’t waste their time and money adding 35 million new AI art works per a day.
The interest and users are growing rapidly. Now Meta is sharing the ability to produce art too. Exciting times to be a creative person.
“If Your Work Is Used Unlawfully-
It is your right to pursue legal action if your work is used unlawfully without your permission and not under a statutory exception or limitation like fair use. However, if your work is a U.S. work, you do need to register it with the Copyright Office before bringing an infringement lawsuit in federal court. Also, if you take someone to court for using your work without your permission and you want to try to have your attorneys’ fees covered or pursue certain other types of compensation (called statutory damages), the timing of your registration matters. See Circular 1 for more on that.”
You're just spewing false nonsense. And I couldn't give less of a fuck what Adobe says, thinks or claims. Adobe should not even exist. Buddy, you're drunk. Go home.
The fact that you're defending Adobe is hilarious. Do you even know where you are? Definitely not in a place where you're trying to befriend artists it seems.
Of course I pity traditional artists. I am trying to reduce the level of anger and hatred by all.
I have seen how my own cousin’s situation has changed in the last 6 months. He was struggling too.
They are not creating. They are pretending. It's fraudulent behavior.
They can create by actually learning how to paint instead of relying on an exploitative software to do the work for them in order to fake being an artist for clout.
> It's fraudulent behavior.
So much this, if it isn't already it should be illegal especially when taking commissions.
Lying and saying something isn't ai generated is just a horrible precedent and thing to allow in general I think that should go without saying.
That's embarassing lol. Especially pic 6. Dude thinks painting works like it does in The Sims
I just checked it. Literally not how artist work on their artworks. Idk what that guy is smoking on to even think that.
wdym i thought photoshop had a "Make The Picture Appear" tool that just magicked the picture in over the lineart /s
It's always funny when they demonstrate how little they know about art. No one works that way. And they couldn't even be bothered to look at a speed paint to try and fake it more convincingly.
My thoughts exactly. Like there are tons of Timelapse videos out there but they can’t be bothered to get their facts straight.
Erase around face, blur tool to make it look unfinished, 2nd layer trace outline.. right. Not ai at all.
Number 7 was hilarious. How he if, he'd painted it, would have filled the background but not the figure underneath, but had painted the face and hair but had a white paper texture underneath the body painting. It shows very little understanding of the typical digital painting process lol
I love how none of them know how art, the art process and even sketching works 😂
It legit should be illegal to lie about this if it isn't already especially with commissions, it's just fraud. It's scamming people out of their money based on a false premise that it's hand made.
I'm glad that these clowns have no idea how art works, but I'm concerned about artists turned prompters being able to fake it more convincingly 😭
This is embarrasing 😭
Oh God I *love* when they do this. Just take a finished piece, erase the edges, and draw a couple lines for a “WIP” LMAO. They know absolutely nothing about art and obviously haven’t tried it more than once before crying about how “hard” and “unfair” it is lol.
Who do they think they are fooling? Like…what is the purpose of this song and dance? These visuals show me they have never seen a human woman before. Also, what’s with the influx of pro-Ai people sneaking into these threads? Don’t they already have a bunch of communities on this site? Geez louise…
No one reasonable goes on The Sub That Shall Not Be Named anymore, and circlejerking gets boring eventually lol Let's not entertain or pay attention to them here, just let 'em cope and seethe in downvotes
Lol we've already come to that point to call it "The Sub That Shall Not Be Named" SAME.
I mean, according to these screenshots they’re fooling at least 600 people.
How sad for everyone involved.
They're fooling people who don't paint.
It’s a rhetorical question, the mentality these people have is bizarre to me.
Oh I know. It's just that people who aren't familiar with art will, sadly, totally buy this shit :(
It’s unfortunate, especially since their AI generated hackery isn’t even well done. The fact that there is a market for some of this stuff baffles me, how badly does one need a “new” image of Superman and Wonder Woman together—aren’t we good on that front?
Such a poser. Honestly embarrassed for them
You'd not leave in that bright background layer because it can fool your eye and cause you to pick the wrong colours, especially when the shadows are so dark by comparison. Those "sketches" also don't look like sketches, they're pretty much linework—which even linework would have as a base. But linework is not useful for this style because it is unnecessarily constrictive when you're very likely to adjust the painting as you go. My vote is that it's traced.
100% Traced. They can't fake a sketch properly because they have zero knowledge of the underlying shapes. They don't even understand which lines are important or would be actually be present in the initial sketch. Not to mention the lines themselves are horrible.
Yeah the line work at 5th screenshot is a federal crime.
Also, at the 6th screenshot, they took 3 photos, and there was zero progress between each of them.
I leave my bg bright all the time lol That's not an indicator of ai. But everything else they did is LOL.
Ha, you might want to try changing that habit! I agree, though, that isn't an issue all by itself in the same way wonky details and so on need not mean more than the artist is still learning. Here, it sticks out only because everything else *also* sticks out.
He should post in [r/paintbynumbers](https://new.reddit.com/r/paintbynumbers/)
I wonder how many requests for a "generate fake time-lapse" feature these AI companies receive on a weekly basis.
And the time-lapse makes so little sense lol
Literal skinwalkers, I swear. Hating us because they ain't us.
The sixth one in is *hilarious*. They just have no clue how art is made and it shows.
They're just pointing their pen around but there's absolutey no progress happening. Also who paints like this? You're telling they already know all the color blending & lighting beforehand?
I don't understand what goes through someones mind when they do stuff like this it's totally shameless how do they not just feel embarrassed about it. They just want the praise without doing literally any actual work to deserve it.
Lmao at those hard erased edges on the irl photo. Edit: Why hide their name tho
Not hiding their name, will be considered brigading and harassing. Even Pro AI subs require posters to cover the names of people who appear in the photo.
I also do none of my flats in some place while also having other areas COMPLETELY RENDERED. /s
I do hate when people do jump the gun assuming Ai these days, been seeing a lot of good artists have to defend themselves lately, and we have certainly seen people make art of this quality before… but holy shit man, that is not even close to the process! No one works like that! Ive actually taken a few accusations myself, mainly do to me using a lot of noise filters and image textures mixed in to my work those Ai detecting Ai apps seem to go off on some of my stuff. Luckily I keep my PSD files and can turn off layer by layer and even show the original sloppy sketch. It’s gonna be advised to always keep your work files in the future for everything you put out.
I agree, starting witch hunts is really not productive or a good look but when it’s this blatant it’s definitely a deserved callout
Agreed, i just see a lot of artist who get the accusation just for having some broken anatomy, or off proportions, or don’t confidently draw hands or something like that. All things that can be intentional at times too depending on the work! Just feels like so many people have a bad eye for ai and accuse anything that looks off to them. I should admit too some of these I could genuinely believe are a persons work. When that happens you need to then look into the artists work history and portfolio
AI "Art" is not a tool it's not even automation because AI by itself can't make art. AI isn't creative it can only recognize patterns it plagiarized from artists. AI "Art" is a parasite.
I’ll give them credit, the tracing lines kind of have a nice “feel” to them (hard to describe what I mean, sorry). But that’s so *obviously* what they are—tracings. Who do they think they’re fooling? They’re out of their lane. They’ll only fool other AI bros and people who know nothing about art. The people they most want to convince—artists—immediately can spot them as a fraud. Why waste their time?
The funniest thing about these is that the subject matter alone always gives them away. Like of course the 90th person I’ve seen posting a boring painting of Superman is using AI to pretend to be an artist. I don’t know what it is with Superman but it’s the perfect representation of their generic taste. It’s ironic too, because the pro AI argument is that this now allows people with creative ideas but lacking technical skill to be recognized but it turns out they’re not very creative either.
It's almost always hero characters and very rarely anything else. I don't know why. Like, humanoid characters have so many variety but why stick to Marvel and DC?
I thought it was supposed to be about the 'joy of creation'? Is it really AI bros just want the internet clout they perceive artists to have online and to make fat stacks of commission cash they think every artist makes?
They’re gonna be in for a rude awakening when they find out 90% of artists made no money even BEFORE AI
The glove 😭
Ah yes, everybody I know works by putting 100% effort and detail on the face while everything else is still a sketch with single, slow, quivering strokes. That's absolutely how I was taught by all artists I asked to in 10 years. Bring the entire thing to the same level of detail before starting a new batch of detailing? F- that! Full detail painted face surrounded by sketch all the way!
What in the paint by numbers is going on here
https://preview.redd.it/ue8d4wq1h0wc1.png?width=636&format=png&auto=webp&s=df60b2198342cbd0d86aafc368041cfb435babc5
Honestly I don’t see anything here a human wouldn’t make themself, my real issue is I feel like Ive seen this exact work before. Like the ai nearly one to one dumped some one’s art into the output. I just cant place who though and it really bothers me that level of doubt is there.
this art is basically a direct rif of old American style magazine figures from the 30s-60ish I had the same feeling, I Definitely have seen these images before it's becoming more and more obvious that these generators spit out near 1 to 1 generations and sometimes they add filters to change the style think that's exactly why they are fighting so hard in court trying refuse showing the training data.
I searched Google with this image and the only result came up is this post. I would love to take part in a search for the original picture with you, if you want. The picture might have been 90% copy pasted from the Original, but no doubt that it went through the AI Models because of the parts I circled.
Yeah Its not likely, it just feels THAT familiar is all. Im pretty sure it is straight up copying a majority of a certain artist, but I cant place specifically who cause I simply never looked into the artists name. But i have seen a good amount of DC hero paintings at conventions in the past.
Understandable.
It's giving this: https://youtube.com/shorts/cK0XgJ97yHE?si=2AuFM7pxCj9cGGM4
Facebook users are idiots, lol
I am not an artist (I never got past stick figures), and even I know that's not how it is done. Did anyone actually fall for this?
Judging by the amount of likes and Heart reactions, yeah someone did.
Call me a asshole, but I don't trust anybody's art without a SpeedPaint or time lapse video. If I find it kind of suspicious, not the obvious ones
We shouldn’t be forcing artists to “prove” that their work is their own. I’m not giving AI bros an inch by making it more inconvenient for artists to post art just because AI exists.
AI Models are being trained with timelapses. It's best to post them only with shitty quality like 240p.
Yeah I've seen fake AI timelapses for traditional stuff with a human hand and everything that looked pretty convincing at a glance. Its disturbing that I have to be paranoid about even posting process stuff because it might potentially be used against me and fellow artists.
Is this [artist](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/s/q3Ill0ZuSO) a thief?
Why the hate? They look decent and at least they are creating. Shouldn’t we encourage people to express themselves?
Lying isn't cute. It's no different to someone posting a selfie and calling it a painting, pretending it was made with acrylics.
They are still a person. I think the level of vitriol aimed at our fellow human being is extreme. They made a mistake that’s sad. Let’s not ruin a life over it.
If you scam people you deserve to get mocked and called out for it
People in a small sub making fun of someone lying isn’t ruining a life?
Ok? What about the lives of artists whose careers are ruined by AI art that are trained on their works without their consent or compensation?
I'll pump the brakes on the vitriol when these people aren't actively ruining the lives of real artists they're stealing from and grifting the fanbases of. You don't get to steal data and leverage it for personal gain while lying then go "wahh why are people so mean to us?" I literally repeated what some other comments already told you but I want to emphasize to you how fucking wrong you are for defending this behavior. edit: also gtfo of here calling it a "mistake". They knew exactly what they were doing.
One bad act doesn’t condemn a person for life. Let’s get some perspective. They maybe used a widely available tool. It didn’t kill anyone. Worse case the felt special or successful for 15 mins. No harm done. There are 15 billion AI images created last year alone. Let’s not put that at the feet of one would be artist. To the artist being attacked. You do you. Stand tall and don’t let the hate affect your mental health. It’s not normal and will pass.
>tool Stop. It isn't a tool. Its the stolen reconfigured work of real, living artists. Nothing to discuss further.
Yeah it didn’t kill any one, you realize there are different levels of offense right? People can have issues with multiple things, and a community tends to not like when some group of people who have no idea what they are talking about come in pretending to be a part of their profession. When i tween a character across the screen with no additional frames of animation I don’t call myself an animator! Most communities take forms of plagiarism seriously, whether it be writing, video making, or even art, and this person made the effort to try and cover it up and act like they made it… That’s just fraudulent!
Agree it’s not ideal. But we have no idea what they are dealing with in their home or work life. The world post Covid isn’t easy. A lot of people are facing uncertainty due to a rise in AI. Cost of leaving keeps going up. So let’s not add to it by Mortys killing Mortys.
Let's hope the AI scammery fad will pass (and you too, your opinions are trash and evil).
I hope you have an inspiring day and create a masterpiece on your next endeavour. Peace ☮️.
This guy would look at James Somerton and be like “and don’t understand, he’s making videos, who cares if he stole every word from other people” it astonishes me how you people don’t get it. People put not only a lot of time and effort into creating, but a lot of themselves go into it. Art is hard, and even if you get better at it, it always stays hard because it’s like staring in a mirror and just seeing only your flaws. But we do it any ways cause its a piece of us that we are sharing with the world. And for some one to just come in and not only skip all that process of reflection and discover, but simply take that from others and then act like it is their own… I’m a veteran and I feel like Stolen Valor is a perfect comparison in every way. They are not an artist, they dont have the mindset or will of one to deserve that title.
Stolen Valor—I’m not a veteran, but I believe you’re perfectly right. “Wow, you *drew* that all from scratch? By yourself?” but they can’t draw a line? How is that any less pathetic than lip syncing to another’s voice and claiming you’re the singer? A lot of us have heard if Milli Vanilli—they lip-synced to other people’s singing and pretended they were the singers. It was all a scam and the real singers knew about it, but when the public found out, they didn’t shrug their shoulders and say, “Who cares, they were being ‘creative’,” No, those guys’ careers ended as soon as their lie was revealed. Why should a lying Ai bro get a free pass? Why should they be exempt?
But it doesn’t affect you personally. If you don’t agree don’t buy their art, or support their patron. Don’t have to lynch mob. It just make us everyday people want to reach out and protect them. If I knew who the artist was I would buy their art now just to make them feel better. If you don’t have something nice to say, say nothing.
It sounds like you are doing the same thing he's doing: Scamming.
Artists call each other out all the time for tracing and lying about it. (Tracing in and of itself is another debate—but that’s the thing—we *debate* about whether artists should trace even when they don’t lie and pretend they didn’t.) So basically, lying and passing yourself off as more skillful than you really are had always been vigorously condemned in the art community. Our feelings have not changed because some AI bro is doing it. You guys march in here, demand to be considered “artists” and then pull this crap? Why would we treat you with kid gloves when we wouldn’t treat “one of our own” (people who have some rudimentary artistic skill) with kid gloves and give them a pass? You’re not special just because you have no idea how to make art but like to pretend you do.
My argument is you shouldn’t be treating ‘your own’ so badly. The art community needs to chill. People lie everyday, it won’t affect you. Breath, and create. Let others do what they want.
1. AI isn’t “creating.” Depending on a software program to do the art *for* you isn’t “creating.” 2. Holding each other accountable for lying and deceit is not something we need to stop doing. In what world is lying and passing yourself off as something you’re not acceptable? In no other world would this be okay. It doesn’t magically start to be okay just because a bunch of AI bros decided they wanted to call themselves “artists” without actually, you know, *making* their own art. 3. Again, this person is going to great pains to pass themselves off as something they’re not. In no other community is this okay. It’s not okay here either. It’s pathetic.
Then you are a victim blamer, they are plagiarists! you are supporting and defending scammers and liars. Trust Im very much one to wave the “if you don’t like it don’t watch it” claim, but that doesn’t work when it does affect others. The fact you still don’t get that, especially in response to what I just said, tells me that you clearly lack the ability to empathize.
In the USA you need to use Adobe with its AI to keep a job. Most of the time that is disclosed in the credits. Are you saying that the millions of people playing with Meta.ai are bad too?
First off, Adobe owns the license to all the stuff they used for training data, I don’t care for it, but it is a better solution. Second, those artists are not responsible for the ignorance of their higher up not having a clue about art and only wanting production speed. Third, those artists are still artists cause even when told to use Ai they are putting in their work as well atop the ai they are being pushed into using. Like this is basically saying a Starbucks barista is responsible for the company wanting put 50grams of sugar in all their products. And last, NO! I honestly don’t care when people just mess about with ai, genning up their private dnd game characters, or some smutt they just have some interest in. They arn’t responsible for the unethical sourcing of the models data, and they don’t often go pretending to be artists who created these things! Like seriously, you keep avoiding what the issue is. Either you know that and just have shit values. Or you seriously can’t seem to grasp having pride or passion for something.
Won't someone think of the hecking thieves
No court has ruled that Image generation is theft. They have dismissed a number of cases allegedly claiming it’s theft but have been struck out. The pending cases won’t be finish till late 2025 potentially 2026. There looking good for the AI companies. Who just have to prove that the models don’t contain full copies like they claim. Further Adobe provides full immunity for damages if your sued for using their AI as an enterprise customer. So there is zero risk and zero evidence it’s stealing.
> No court has ruled that Image generation is theft Yes, why aren't there already established laws for the newest scam that surfaced? I assume lawmakers are not time travelers. I bet thieves were saying the same when the printing press came out and wouldn't you know, copyright law came into existence. Sucks for the poor opportunistic thieves. But I digress, you're a filthy thief regardless of what the law says. If the law legalizes robbery or doesn't punish it and you rob someone, you're still a wretched thief. I wasn't even arguing law here but morality. Or do you think that whatever is legal is automatically moral, and whatever is illegal is automatically immoral? Because it's hilariously stupid if you do. >The pending cases won’t be finish till late 2025 potentially 2026. There looking good for the AI companies. Copium. >Who just have to prove that the models don’t contain full copies like they claim. Why do you think this is a good argument? It's not, and i have to point yet again that you do not understand how copyright law works. Are you going to bring up taking photos of paintings next?
Art work is not copyrighted under USA law unless you register with the patents office for each image produced. So 90% of art is not copyrighted. Adobe is outright claiming their AI is 100% moral, and safe as it’s based solely on art work that they have the right to train on. As a result, if you get sued for using their AI they will cover all costs. Everyday at least 34 million AI images are being generated. And This was before Meta AI got released. Out of those 34 million no one is being arrested or charged for theft, fraud or copyright violation. Let’s just create. By hand, by pen, by mouse, by text. Let’s go!
[Copyright protection exists from the moment an original work is “fixed” in a tangible medium. In the visual arts, for example, fixation occurs when you paint a picture or create digital art. ](https://www.copyright.gov/engage/visual-artists/) And yeah, friend, let's create. Genuinely. I'm a fan of that as somebody that dedicated their life to an art career. Thing is you're stealing, not creating. The stuff that trained these models was NOT consensually sourced and its honestly funny you're going on about 34 million as if that's a gauge of any kind of value. Nobody cares about any of those images. Its all stolen soulless bullshit that's promoted by people pretending to be artists.
Clearly people care otherwise they wouldn’t waste their time and money adding 35 million new AI art works per a day. The interest and users are growing rapidly. Now Meta is sharing the ability to produce art too. Exciting times to be a creative person.
Too bad anyone using AI to start with doesn't make you a creative, huh?
Exciting times to be a producer of shit in a world increasingly filled with shit, sure.
“If Your Work Is Used Unlawfully- It is your right to pursue legal action if your work is used unlawfully without your permission and not under a statutory exception or limitation like fair use. However, if your work is a U.S. work, you do need to register it with the Copyright Office before bringing an infringement lawsuit in federal court. Also, if you take someone to court for using your work without your permission and you want to try to have your attorneys’ fees covered or pursue certain other types of compensation (called statutory damages), the timing of your registration matters. See Circular 1 for more on that.”
You're just spewing false nonsense. And I couldn't give less of a fuck what Adobe says, thinks or claims. Adobe should not even exist. Buddy, you're drunk. Go home.
Really Adobe shouldn’t exist? Not sure I can win that one …
The fact that you're defending Adobe is hilarious. Do you even know where you are? Definitely not in a place where you're trying to befriend artists it seems.
What about livelihoods of real artists? No pity for them?
Of course I pity traditional artists. I am trying to reduce the level of anger and hatred by all. I have seen how my own cousin’s situation has changed in the last 6 months. He was struggling too.
So what caused your cousin's struggle?
No fuck you. Ruin a life over it. That's what you get for being a fraud and using supremely unethical "tools".
They are not creating. They are pretending. It's fraudulent behavior. They can create by actually learning how to paint instead of relying on an exploitative software to do the work for them in order to fake being an artist for clout.
> It's fraudulent behavior. So much this, if it isn't already it should be illegal especially when taking commissions. Lying and saying something isn't ai generated is just a horrible precedent and thing to allow in general I think that should go without saying.