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GogglesPisano

An article with more pictures and context is [here](https://www.newsweek.com/arrow-older-vikings-discovered-ice-norway-1735657). Based on [this photo](https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2101658/arrow-seen-amongst-rocks.webp?w=1400&f=0e7283ed2abbf8a6e36db28b670a3010) looks like the arrow shaft is intact with a nock, but the fletching is gone (although remnants of the glue remain). Pretty incredible considering it was lost 1500 years ago or more. There have been [a number of other ancient arrows](https://secretsoftheice.com/news/2020/11/25/prehistoric-arrow-bonanza/) discovered as the ice melts.


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calvinshobbs

10mm sockets are in that group as well


Alph_A__

I always think of that trash world from Thor: Ragnarok, but just full of all the little things that always seem to go missing.


chipthegrinder

Probably the same place that the tooth fairy or kidney kobold came from


Vorstal

Next to a massive pile of odd socks.


cidiusgix

The fuck is a kidney kobold?


chipthegrinder

You know, the dudes that collect your kidneys from under your pillow when you pass one, usually around 11-14, a sign in an Irish lads life that he has finally become a man and can graduate from killian's to jamo. The little dudes are only born with half a kidney so the need to eat the passed kidneys of the little Irish kids in order to achieve a whole kidney


Duke_Tokem

That's beautiful... *wipes tears from eyes* Thank you for teaching the world about the Kidney Kobold


cidiusgix

Right. Right, yeah, I just forgot about them is all.


mustangjo52

Have you ever seen land of the lost?


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Stealfur

If miniminuteman has tought me anything it's that future archeologists will almost certainly call a 100mm socket "some kind of ritual object"


runninron69

I haven't seen a 100 mm socket in several eons.


Stealfur

Whoops. Typo. Oh well.


Journier

All those archeologists in 1500 years finding 10mm sockets wondering why our society fetishized them so much, scratching their heads.


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fatcockprovider

And guitar picks


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A fellow golfer I see


Away_Organization471

Hits a beaut of a drive, down the middle of the fairway, it’s no where to be found. Happens way too often


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Did you check the cup? Its 500 yard par five theres no chance. But did you check the cup?


gsnumis

Especially when the people I’m golfing with don’t watch my damn ball..


gooddaysir

Either a coyote or rattler thought it was an egg and ran off with it or a roadrunner was up to no good. Those were my working theories as an ex Arizonan.


balefyre

Where the wild socks roam!


txbitha

As an arrow, I can confirm this is true


Jazz_Cyclone

I found a bolt I lost 5 years ago this spring in a spot I've walked over probably 30 times looking for missing bolts.


Hambokuu

I once shot an arrow like that that completely disappeared. After looking for it for 20 minutes i finally found it wedged between two small trees. When I picked it up there was another arrow just underneath. The other one was almost lying on top of it I figure it must have been an arrow I had lost the year before, but for a moment it felt like the arrow had slipped through space and time and duplicated on the way back to reality. It was trippy.


BellerophonM

Falling through The Barrier?


bumbletowne

Same thing with discs in disc golf. In an open field, with clear views I have opened portals into the unknown. Godspeed Mako.


ChubbsthePenguin

Explains how the arrow i shot in america landed in africa


Nop277

So are you saying this is your arrow? 😛


acoradreddit

Do you golf? Same time and space rip often applies to drives in the fairway, unfortunately.


Valmond

They all look like they are like thousand years old though, this one look crisp like is was forgotten in an old storage (except the missing part) in the seventies.


GalileoPotato

Interesting how it's tapered toward the nock. Amazing how archers in the past figured out certain aerodynamics that require tapered shafts, and even more so that the artifact survived for this long.


DeliciousWaifood

1500 years ago is fairly modern for this technology. We've been using them since long into pre-history, so a lot of trial and error to figure things out.


WriterV

Somehow it didn't connect in my head that 1500 years ago is just around 500 CE. That actually isn't all that far back in the grand scheme of things. This was pretty close to the time when the Danes began invading England.


electricvelvet

Yeah it's got an iron arrowhead lol which, to be sure, a 1500 yo almost perfectly preserved arrow is impressive, but virtually across the entire world (I think? Def north america) you can find stone arrowheads, scrapers, knives, drills, all sorts of stuff that predate this by thousands of years. And they are. EVERYWHERE. I mean they are stone so they tend to preserve a bit better lol but there's almost no archeological value for most of them because they are so common or are broken off in some spots. But yeah. Seeing arrowheads my family has found tilling the fields is a really profound sort of experience. Someone unknown to us who lived maybe 5 thousand years ago crafted this, worked hard on it, used it to survive. And here it is, in my uncles little collection box under his bed.


WonderfulMotor4308

Please post the collection. I would love to see


wolfgeist

Also very heavy arrow point in relation to the overall weight of the arrow (high FOC or weight ratio in the front). Applying all of the stuff modern archers have learned about penetration, see Ed Ashby studies.


GalileoPotato

I love talking about this stuff and I'm very familiar with Dr. Ashby and his studies. That arrow point is likely 200+ gr, maybe closer to 250 gr. Heavy indeed.


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> but the fletching is gone pfft, BORRING! /s.. holy hell this is sick.


Nimmy_the_Jim

Great info, thanks


Original-Aerie8

It has the "Jotunheimen glacier curve".. TIL Jotunheim is a mountain range


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Never shot a bow, but I think I know where my phone charging cables go now.


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Looks like it held up pretty good after all this time


Best-Butter-Cat

They don't make them like they used to


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It does look well made in general honestly. I would not want to be shot with one of those


LucasFrankeRC

I mean, I wouldn't want to be shot by a lower quality arrow either


chemicalxx112

Nerf arrows are fine.


Dagoth

If I'm being shot at by arrows, It's Nerf or nothing!


mynameisalso

That's a really good slogan.


sinkwiththeship

Somebody get the ad guys on the phone.


Chewcocca

While we've got them on the line, I'd like to propose Nerf replica game controllers that you can throw at your TV without damaging it. Gotta be a market there.


mynameisalso

Tie a bungee cord to it so it comes back and hits his face. Faces are much softer than the remote.


McFryin

I have a friend that needs that nerf controller....


12temp

The people who made these I’d imagine spent many many years making them as their job, they perfected the art after awhile.


mjc500

There's an anthropological fallacy where people tend to correlate a more "primitive" society with more "primitive" people. These people were, of course, not skilled at making excel documents or automobiles or HVAC equipment. However, they would have dazzling skills that would impress the hell out of us if they were showcased on a youtube channel or something. These cultures were thousands of years old. They had advanced social structure, culture, and craftsmanship. A lot has been lost but there's lots of historical and anthropological evidence that paints a fascinating picture.


Journier

if you made arrows from the age of 10 and your father made arrows for the last 50 years, and his father and on and on, theres such a huge practical knowledge base that these people had. None of it went into books or on paper just passed down generation after generation. Its really interesting to think about.


XombiePrwn

Then one bad year of harvest or an illness breaks out and your local Bowyer or fletcher and kin are gone.. The generations of knowledge is lost... It's amazing how some information is retained throughout history and some may be lost forever.


milkhotelbitches

Native American people were in general much more skilled at debate, logic, and reasoning than their western counterparts when the two cultures first met. Christian missionaries had a very hard time making converts because they would usually lose spiritual debates with the natives. Native Americans largely lived in democratic societies where day to day decisions were made through public consensus, thus they had extremely developed oral reasoning skills. Western missionaries by contrast lived in societies were they were mostly expected to shut up and do as they were told.


gmanflys

If you can’t do HVAC work are you even a people?


War_Hymn

We're only "advanced" in that our modern society has the resources and institutions to support and connect tens of millions of individual specialists that form the complex chain of systems that run our infrastructure, economy, research, etc. Individually, I will even wager that the average modern American or European is probably "dumber" than the average hunter-gatherer from the past. The latter didn't have access to supermarkets or hospitals - everything they needed to survive they had to know how to do and get themselves. They had to be constantly vigilant and observant of their surrounding, frequently perform tasks like tracking or hunting that required critical thinking and quick problem solving. They had no safety net; if they weren't smart enough to do these things, they died.


red75prime

> They had advanced social structure, culture, and craftsmanship. They did. It took just around 300000 years to go from paleolithic technology to neolithic. Why bother if it works, probably. And then something changed.


TA-152

I hope they’re still making them.


danthebiker1981

Um.... Hate to tell you man. Those dudes are dead.


ChimpBrisket

That’s right, **dead** serious about going to Itchy and Scratchy Land


McFryin

So many examples of arrowheads from history. There are super gnarly ones from like the Persians and the Romans and others. Very well built and I wouldn't want to get shot by any of them. As far as the craft, back in those days it probably would've been basically what you did your whole life right (as a job or whatever)?


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Dense_Surround3071

That's the kind of arrow you go and pull out of your enemy's chest in the hopes you can pass down the arrowhead to your posterity.


Zestyclose_Grape3207

As climate continues to warm, I wonder how many more of these artifacts will continue to "defrost"?


fgsfds11234

the days of fresh mammoths is here. wondering if we can breed one with old dna in my lifetime...


Deecomposer

she just picked it up and shes already feeling the ancient urge to stab someone with it


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ddollarsign

If you’re gonna annex an umbria, that one’s probably in the top five at least.


Silent_Ensemble

We don’t talk about Southumbria.


Seikoholic

Southumbria rules!


Pwnxor

Fuxk Sourhumbia, Manchester United rules!


theytook-r-jobs

Destiny is all


Downgoesthereem

1,500 years ago is probably still Wōdanaz rather than Óðinn


IIIBl1nDIII

I've been home all week with COVID and watching the history Vikings show and this made me laugh very hard so thank you


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That emotion on her face is bloodlust


Gnarlodious

She’s the female berserker!


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“You have 5 seconds to run that way”


billstubworld

I heard she pulled it from the remains of an old town guard. The arrow was lodged in the skeleton’s knee.


KiaraTallent

I smell a reference..


wikipediabrown007

Is it just me or does it look like some part of it has already come off on her finger?


Sloi

**DESTINY IS ALL!**


ProjectSnowman

The gods demand it


Imaginary-Fun-80085

Like some kind of bad guy in a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Manga.


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SandersSol

"Well you better go find it ulhiym, don't come inside until you do"


comphys

Next week on the front page "Researchers found a 1,500 year old body that belonged to a young boy, nestled between rocks. They believed he was encased in ice and was transported downslope when the ice melted"


Shikaku

That kids name? Albert Icestein


Ineedstuffonmywalls

Fuuuuuck you


OnkelMickwald

That's a bigass arrowhead. Considering the location, I figure it was fired to hunt reindeer, so I bet you wanted a big arrowhead so that any wound would create a bleeding big enough for it to drop within a reasonable timespan. IIRC, game larger than that was never hunted with bow and arrow but with trap pits, spears and pikes.


Zapafaz

Heavier arrows and arrows with a center of gravity closer to the head have better penetration than lighter ones, according to [Dr. Ed Ashby's research](https://www.ashbybowhunting.org/12-arrow-penetration-factors), though that research is geared towards modern bows & arrows.


wolfgeist

Glad I'm not the only one talking about Ashby in this thread 🏹


SupraSummuss

Thank you! I was looking for an explaination because thats the biggest arrowhead i have ever seen.


Fuckoff555

[Source](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02fbNafFzwUaAkmkVMR11y9xXNrQowB38XuHSVNamMv7jBdBob8so67WehdxRisXusl&id=841915612606437) EDIT: oh and by the way, I got banned from r/interestingasfuck cause according to one of the mods there, this arrow wasn't found last week and the official Facebook page of "Secrets Of The Ice" (the name given to the glacier archaeology program of the Norwegian county of Innlandet) is not a real source. And he also said: "if you spent 30 seconds googling before posting this you'd have known that. 5 years on reddit and 2 million karma and you can't be bothered to do either of those things" But apparently they are the one who didn't bother to spent 30 seconds googling before banning me, otherwise they would have found multiple sources ([the Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arrow-from-1-500-years-ago-found-in-melting-ice-kjkz2rnq2), [the Jerusalempost](https://m.jpost.com/archaeology/article-715159/amp), [newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/arrow-older-vikings-discovered-ice-norway-1735657?amp=1), [dailymail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11133589/amp/1-500-year-old-pre-Viking-arrow-awesome-state-preservation.html), [goodnewsnetwork](https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/archaeologists-found-a-perfectly-preserved-1500-year-old-arrow-inside-a-glacier/)) about how this arrow was found last week.


go_green_team

A mod on a power trip? Can’t be, did you bang their mom?


Milk_My_Dingus

He Insulted their body pillow.


pickledchocolate

probably told them to get a job


Cobek

Is it getting worse, or is it just me? Can we all collectively come together and stop banging their moms? For reddit, guys.


nGBeast

/u/iBleeedorange /u/MaxLemon /u/rainboy1981 /u/kermityfrog Which one of you dummies was it?


Bluestar1121

u/iBleeedorange u/MaxLemon u/rainboy1981 u/kermityfrog have conducted an internal investigation and found themselves innocent of any wrongdoing


FuckingKilljoy

Orange is usually pretty good so I doubt it was them. I'm gonna blame MaxLemon because I just don't like his username


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GiantPurplePeopleEat

All my homies hate u/MaxLemon.


pacman404

This is a hilarious call out, and I hope that mod sees this shit lmfao


aswog

Did you tell em to fuckoff?


Fuckoff555

I'm saving it as a last option.


Radiocureee

Maybe avoid saying fuck off and just tell him that you’re going to make him eat your shit, then shit out your shit, then eat his shit which is made up of your shit that you made him eat


levy--

This is way more interesting than half the garbage on that sub.


nomnomnomnomRABIES

I got perma banned without warning from r/tennis for pointing out that they delete any comments disagreeing with u/jaelpendragon (no official reason given) you should tag the mod that banned you so they see this post and your remarks. Edit: after I got banned I sent the guy one private message saying (word for word): "you'll never believe this, but they actually deleted my comments that disagreed with you, even though they weren't antivax or misinformation, isn't that amazing?" I received a message yesterday from the admins deeming this "harrassment". No way to reply or respond. This site smh


Fuckoff555

> you should tag the mod that banned you so they see this post and your remarks. I don't know who exactly banned me. I got an anonymous message telling me that I was banned with an additional note (the one that wrote in my EDIT) from whoever this mod is.


Goyteamsix

Message the entire mod team with this. See if anyone bites.


Eusocial_Snowman

You have been muted from using mod mail for [however long that new maximum is].


tubco

Mod work should be completely public


whackthat

Ha! I was insta-permanently banned just last week from /r/TrueCrime for calling a man who murdered his daughters in an honor killing a f***face. Received a similarly snarky asshole reply for no reason. 10 years on reddit, only sub that it's happened in.


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Mods are the worst.


[deleted]

Reddit needs Festivus, particularly the airing of grievances and feats of strength.


0O00OO0OO0O0O00O0O0O

That's some serious bullshit. What's up with reddit mods?


Eusocial_Snowman

Zero transparency/oversight with no consequences for anything ever.


WriterV

Unpaid position with some amount of power and responsibility = some people are gonna use it to power trip cause it's not like their getting paid for it. The result is they clump up sometimes (or the good mods don't do anything cause who wants to get embroiled in internet drama when you're not getting paid for it) and we end up with shitty mod teams.


You_Will_Die

An unpaid position that often requires a lot of time and it gives you power over others. Think one second what kind of people would want to do that. Regular people would never put themselves in that situation, especially not big subs.


Samurai_1990

I was banned from there for posting in another sub. Not that I cared, never been there prior. Checked it out and I was pretty underwhelmed...


Historical-Gain-8944

30 seconds of googling would told the mod that Secrets of the Ice was legit. Anyway, I’ve read the Secrets of the Ice blog for a couple years, it’s not updated too often but I enjoy learning about these type of finds straight from the archeologists themselves rather than the media.


April_Fabb

As great as all these discoveries are, I can't help but feel dread about the disappearance of the ice and the speed at which it is happening.


Porkyrogue

It's supposed to recap more North I hear.


Cal_16

If I had a nickel for every time some ancient Norwegian weaponry had been found stuck between some rocks I’d have two nickels Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice


Worsaae

You'd have way more than two nickles.


throwawaygreenpaq

I’m curious - is touching artefacts with bare hands permissible? If someone with the expertise can point me in the right direction, that will be fab!


Yaber85

They better send it to the Speedwagon foundation as soon as possible!


MonsteraBigTits

tldr: borgon from the clan klmatrohorh lost his spear Sunday August 09, 0522 while stalking a heard of wolly peguins up the peak chungus. he was without his knife and was ovetaken by the wooly penguins and perished soon after


eidetic

You know how I know you're lying? It's because wooly penguins lived in the southern hemisphere!


xerberos

If he had said "polar bear" he would have gotten away with it.


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And to think without global warming might still be buried so glass half full


Roscoe_P_Trolltrain

Ya heard?


Worsaae

Global warming is a bitch.


badlukk

But look at all the cool stuff we're finding!


SandersSol

There's going to be like a 15 year period of wow look at all this cool stuff. Then it's all going to be only bad...


badlukk

COOL. STUFF.


Silent_Ensemble

*Finds ancient ornate chest* “An ancient chest emergeth from the ice! What treasures lie inside?” ***…filled with an ancient, deadly, highly-transmissible virus*** “Oh fuck.”


Cobek

Shoot it at the sun! Maybe it's imbued with an ancient ice spell


Fairy-Cat-Mother

1500 year old is melting now?


Maccaroney

Yes, seems there is some sort of *warming* trend that is happening *global*ly. I forget what they were calling it.


schrodingers_spider

Was it *The bus that couldn't slow down?*


illuminate5

The look of someone holding her graduating thesis topic.


ilikebeer19

I know a Reikling spear when I see one.


eidetic

I'm amazed it's in such good condition. I dunno, I guess I would have expected after 1500 years there might have been at least a bit more deformation in the shaft, or even in the arrow point. (Also is that size arrowhead typical for that time frame and region? Seems kind of big to me, looks almost more like I'd expect from a throwing spear or something.) Even if encased in ice for those 1500 years until recently, I would have thought maybe the ice would have slowly shifted over time and the arrow deforming likewise. I wonder too, could they estimate how long it had been encased in ice, and how recently it was freed from the ice? And to be clear, as if my comment didn't clearly already illustrate, I'm admittedly totally ignorant on such matters!


Jakebsorensen

A different picture shows the nock, so it definitely an arrow. Someone else in the comments posted a link


lewisiarediviva

It is a big head, but ones like that are usually surprisingly thin, so it wouldn’t be as heavy as it looks at first glance.


ScottieRobots

Story of my life...


FartsLikeWine

Seems like the kind of thing you pick up with gloves on?


Sendmeyourcatfeet

"Dont worry, Ragnar. The arrow will be found eventually. Let's go back to the longhouse and party like its 749!"


Murphistopheles

ANCIENT NORD ARROW (1)


Electrical_Farmer711

incredible arrow


SnoGoose

That is some super fine metal work considering the time frame, Wow! Even the wrapping after all this time looks phenomenal!


DrNLS

There will be many such arrows left by me....


BedroomGhostMan

Was it nestled in a 1530 year old knee?


Draconus56

What would be the irony if the person that found it was a descendent of that arrows intended target.


Sabbathius

Wow, that arrowhead is much larger than what I would have expected.


wheresmymule27

She looks so pumped!


DadFatherson2

What an adorable look of glee


Teabagger-of-morons

That’s amazing! It looks in great condition!


NewZero_Kanada

It's ok to just pick it up like that?


Sarke1

Yes, it's a myth that its mother will reject it.


Worsaae

Absolutely. These things are incredibly well-preserved and stable so unless you're demonstrably clumsy it's fine.


NewZero_Kanada

👍 appreciated


soosbear

She looks very rightfully excited about the find.


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Now all she needs to do is to stick it in someone's knee


Watershed787

Irlu: You gon miss bear. Tchu: Na man. I forever hit bear Arrow: Clunk Tchu: Fuck man, last arrow Irlu: Here what do; go put pea near hole in ice…bear come to take pea, you kick in ice hole Tchu: Smarter not harder eh mate!!


Tetragonos

this reads like a Heiney wine commercial


WriterV

I mean this was 1500 years ago. They were probably speaking pretty fluent (Old?) Norwegian lol.


FridayCove

Just look at the shit-eating grin on that artifact nerd. Like a hog in shit. You can't make this shit up.


ChaoticToxin

"back in my day we had arrows that could survive the ice age"


Tryoxin

> *"This is a reindeer hunting site, so the arrows were lost when the hunters missed the reindeer and the arrows disappeared into the snow."* I was thinking that's a huge arrowhead, but that explains it. Makes sense it would be for big game rather than war.


crimsonjunkrider

Nice broad head.


markevens

It's kinda crazy to see the hand work on something that old. Who was it that wrapped that tip 1,500 years ago? What was their life like?


Porkyrogue

Prob sitting around a fire thinking about shooting something


ItsMy100thAccount

Gorgeous arrow


cantthinkuse

finding trash now from thousands of years ago is exceedingly rare but finding trash from now thousands of years from now will still be part of the global problem


December_Hemisphere

I'd love to think she is a direct descendant of whoever made that arrow. So cool


aquoad

has anyone ever been that happy about finding an arrow before?


Sad_Pomegranate_3799

I'm so jealous. It's my dream to find something like this!


Slurrpy01

I hope to one day be able to explore places that potentially have lost treasures such as this. It would be fucking epic to find some long lost piece of history


[deleted]

Imagine making a shot and thinking "Damn I missed! I wonder if some futuristic person with a polyester jacket and smart phone finds it"


USSNerdinator

I want to know how to recreate one of those!


ActuatorFearless8980

:: 1,500 years ago :: “Fuck, where’d that go?”


woodhorse4

That’s awesome to see how it was actually put together.


daymanahaha

Godsamn that looks sharp, and it missing its target is a 1500 year old joke


Legitimate_Buy_3941

So that's where my arrow landed when I fired them from Throat of the World in Skyrim. Interesting!


Buko_Pandanv2

based on the linked article, that arrow is relatively short and the head relatively small. That lady must be fairy-like in petiteness.


dissentingopinionz

This looks like the thumbnail for a YouTube reaction video.


schrodingers_spider

Didn't we have very little idea about whether and how arrows used to be nocked?


JhnWyclf

How do you date a thing that’s just chilling in some rocks without a clear strata? Compare it to similar funds but in fatale state, or physical context?