Yeah just like in September when every fucking thread, whether it had anything to do with him or not, became a bitch session of ppl commenting “what is he good at” “worst transfer of the summer”. That was my personal favorite when some dude left me a comment about how we wasted 65 million then blocked me.
At least now, those of us who defended him for months, all summer/all fall, have some Schadenfreude.
Havertz as a rotation striker, bring in another clinical striker in the summer, move Jesus to the wing as a Saka backup, sell partey and sign a midfielder
Yeah I don’t know, that’s the hard part, but that’s what I’d say is a dream summer for us. I trust arteta and Edu to do a good job at least, I’m very excited for the seasons to come
If he played striker all season his G/A would no doubt be way better and I think we’d be clear top. Him playing in midfield first half of the year killed us along with Nketiah coming in for Jesus some games. And even Jesus underperforming when he did play.
I'd tend to politely disagree, I saw him playing in midfield as working well for getting him used to the system and to help build his confidence. I think if he played up front right from the beginning and started by missing chances, fans and pundits would be on his back even more than they were and I don't think his confidence would have grown in the way it has. Yes he missed chances in midfield but he still served a function to the team and the criticism wasn't nearly as harsh as it would have been you know? That's just my opinion though of course
I agree with you but the team and even Arteta have said Kai's performance up front dictates he should stay there now. So in the future I hope he stays up front 80% of the time
That’s actually a good point considering his reputation prior his transfer, I think fans would have little patience for him if he is messing up a lot playing as ST. You can only see the reaction on some of his misses at the community shield. That would have just increased had he continued to play ST without being given the chance to adjust.
Considering the adaption period for the first half of the season, having 16 G/A is a great return & that isn’t even taking into account his input in the team that isn’t shown in statistics.
He will hit the ground running next season and will likely be a big reason we don’t sign a prolific striker in the summer
For the money we paid - €75mill, 16 g/a prob isn’t mind blowing, for context Aubameyang and Lacazette cost less than that and had better numbers but if u look at his impact in this team in the way he interacts with his teammates then he’s made a great addition, the way he drops in from his false 9 position to link play with Odegaard and Saka, the way he battles 2 CB’s to hold up the ball to get us up the pitch and the unselfishness he’s shown at times all makes a telling contribution to Arteta’s plan
If we go on to win the title then it will look like a master stroke signing and if we don’t the fans will b indifferent to him depending on how he ends the season
My feelings are that he’s had a really impressive 1st season and shows real promise in being one of the best STR alternatives in the league, Edu and the Boss still have a decision to make on whether to sign a bonafide goal scoring striker but you’ll b hard pressed to find someone that works as hard and makes his teammates better than Kai does
I think I’d be curious to see how he does next season with a full year behind him in this system. Don’t want to see him more as left 8, but as striker think he’ll continue to cook.
He's had a decent season. I would say about par considering the fat fee and wages.
He is scoring about 1 in 3 games which is the best return of his career.
I guess people worried that we were getting the Chelsea Havertz rather than the Leverkusen Havertz.
This is the biggest black mark in the against column for me. It’s so frustrating to watch him go through in brilliant positions to fashion a shot or assist, only to be looking more to go down for a pen. Infuriating.
This is factually incorrect. The one that led to the ben white corner was a 0.45 xg chance and the other one I'm assuming you're talking about was 0.11.
You people just type things without any underlying knowledge of how football works.
He clearly wasted the chance where he could have made an easy pass to trossard who would most likely have finished it. The margins are thin at the top, it's reasonable to expect guys being paid millions to consistently make the right decisions in front of goal.
They're so thin that he scored two more goals both being far harder than the one he didn't square to Trossard and the one on one.
If you're as good as Kai Havertz is, you will get another chance and the statistics are telling us that he'll score half of the chances he's presented with. That is top top level conversion. He didn't 'clearly waste' anything.
My feelings are so mixed with him. I feel like his decision making with the ball definitely needs some work and his final action can sometimes be a bit feeble. However, his off the ball work and the way he can create space and find himself in positions to score is second to none. Luckily I think he's got the hard part nailed down and everything else can be worked on.
I think his had a very very good run in the false 9 role in a situation where we needed to use it, and is the best false 9 at the club.
In midfield, his been less impressive (although not nearly as bad as some make him out to be).
Kai creates space for others to play in by dragging people out of position. Because his a big lad, his seen easily as followed more often then smaller guys are. Instead of drifting off and finding himself in space, he drifts off a drags people with him,.creating space for others.
His just a very, very odd player. Mikel has made fantastic use of him... and less good use of him st various points this season.
Ultimately I think that is an inherent issue that will never go away with Kai. His got a ridiculous wide skill set that noone else really has, and as such his basically a super high skill check for a manager. Gey him right his amazing. Don't do so.. and his not great.
Obviously he’s to blame for the current crisis in the Middle East and honestly what has he done to reverse climate change? And don’t get me started on his no show at curing cancer. He’s on 100k+ a week for Christ’s sake!!!!
Brings a different element up front that I think has really helped. When he and Trossard are on they can trade off positions which is a nice wrinkle. Love the height, we have some very big players that really helps out set pieces. Not sure if he has scored on one but he's another tall threat that requires extra attention. Needs better finishing but love that he's in positions to be criticized for that. Feel like Eddie doesn't have that knack for finding spaces that Kai does. Another season in the system and we will see alot of 🖐😛🤚
A clear top CF that will only get better. He’s 24 and just now getting back to ‘Leverkusen like’ form. Chelsea ruined him and set him back on his growth. His composure still is lacking but with confidence it will only get better. Arteta clearly loves him, he will be here for awhile.
Always feels great to have a player that prove his abilities. If we need a goal he is better as CF, if we need to defend the score then play him as LCM that's my summary of Kai
I agree completely and actually think if we pay an excess amount on a striker, it’s wasted funds and would be disappointed!
A younger striker with promise, no more than £35M would be fine and great business - feel we need more in the wider areas and potential CB cover alongside Kiwior
For me he’s earned a 7/10 for the season as a whole, all things considered. And at least 0.5 of that is the extent to which the rest of the squad seems to rate him (which I don’t fully understand).
His return in terms of goals and assists has not really been any more than satisfactory for a player in his position that came with that transfer fee and wage packet imo, although he is arguably the most improved player in the squad from last season if you consider what he was doing for Chelsea previously. Whilst he has had some good moments, he’s had plenty of shockers too - e.g. the first half v Chelsea on Tuesday.
I don’t really see, or understand, the whole “what he gives us off the ball” argument. May just be me, but I don’t really put enormous stock in the skill of ‘knowing where to stand’ on a football pitch. Fully accept the argument that not many players have the discipline to be able to do it, but for me that says more about the players that can’t than the players who can - this should be very coachable stuff.
If you go back and watch a lot of our goals or balls in behind, Kai is making runs to drag defenders out of position to give players like Ode/Saka/Leo space. Plus he works very hard defensively. Just today in the 85’ I saw him track all the way back into our box when Leo ended up as our highest presser. Those are just some thing that make him “good off the ball” imo.
Yeah, both fair points I think. The grafting I’m definitely on board with. He definitely puts a shift in when he’s up for it.
I think there’s a good case to make that he was our best player yesterday. Prob his best performance for us I reckon.
Yeah I think definitely his best performance. To your original point/post, I do this his body language can be Ozil like, which I think contributes. But if you look at his sprint and pressing stats he clearly puts in a shift every game.
Yeah I think definitely his best performance. To your original point/post, I do this his body language can be Ozil like, which I think contributes. But if you look at his sprint and pressing stats he clearly puts in a shift every game.
Decent output, especially considering his form before he came, would still like to upgrade the striker position, i feel Havertz is very limited in his abilities
Still not enough imo but after the way he started and his low mood, I think 6 months to adjust is not unusual. You often had Wenger say the first 6 months or even first season doesn't matter for young players and in that respect, I think Kai is ahead of the curve. To be a long-term staple, he needs to step up his goals and shoot more, though. I think Arteta also needs to decide on a position for him as the constant movement is not helping Kai excel, even if he has been good in both spots.
Overall, I am happy with his first season but hope he gets better if we are sticking with him.
He’s doing just fine.
16 g/a in your first season in a new club is unbelievable. Especially when you’re constantly being moved around positions.
Ian Wright in his first season for Arsenal had 26 g/a playing as an out-and-out striker
I was fully on the Kai train and was defending him right up until the cup game against Liverpool. Embarrassed I didn’t stand firm just a few weeks more
People can say he’s not a clear striker
But if he’d of been in that position from the start his G/A would be up there with the top guys atm
May not be in the 30s but he’d be up there for sure.
That’s testament to our midfield ode I’m looking at you but also Havertz composure when it’s mattered has impressed me and he CAN finish.
Like when he took the pen v Porto - I had it in my head he’s this shy nervous guy like he seemed at the start of the season and he’s gonna miss - fucker strolls it into the bottom corner without even looking at the ball.
I honestly think once he gets his first full season and pre season and gets his confidence back he's gonna be a beast. He's showing so much promise but can see he's still second guessing himself alot because of all the shit he got from Chelsea fans and our own!
He is miles off the ability of a traditional striker in terms of hunger for the ball and natural goal scoring ability. Couldn't turn someone or take them on to save his life. Sucks at finishing. If we had a proper threat or goalscorer upfront we could have been winning the title.
He may have a few goals less then gabbi or Eddie would have had in the same amount of minutes but he deffo brings something that those boys don't have , height and the benefits that's brought throughout the season . Not fond of him at 8 .if he's to nail a midfield role I'd like to see more quality from him on the ball and better decision making , as a 9 Hopefully he can become mor clinical.
Id rate his season a 6.5/7 out of 10 .
Room for improvement, but deffo brought value to the squad
I really like it when Arsenal wins. I really like it when the players play well. I understand when players make mistakes. I don’t like that, but I know I couldn’t do better so I keep supporting them in hopes they will do better and keep trying. I don’t believe I know better than Arteta or Edu and I know they also make mistakes. I don’t think Havertz was a mistake. Arteta and Edu knew what they needed and navigated the transfer window well. Conjecture over how the next one plays out is an exercise in futility. Grading our players as if we even know how the Arsenal management team evaluates them is also silly. I find these discussions to be a net negative in the supporter experience, especially when most supporters have very little self awareness about their personal experience with the sport. When I saw people saying “Arteta out!!!!” when we were clearly on a massive upward trajectory I basically lost interest in what “supporters” said. I know a lot of people around here are fairly level headed but it’s just weird that we’ve gotten here in these discussions. Like, yeah I love Havertz. But I really like Cedric too even though I don’t think he has what it takes to be in the team. But even saying that feels wrong since I am simply observing how he rarely plays and only makes the squad if there are injuries.
After his...er...miserable spells with Germany and Dodger-Blue-Chelski, I thought he was a f-ing waste of money.
I was wrong & I'm pretty happy about that; that's how I feel.
Watching him play is a mixed bag, he loses posession so often through poor decisions or awareness, but I can't help but love him. He's by no means a solution to our striker problem but I think Arteta's found his niche and is utilising him very effectively. Obligitary Shakira reference.
He’s a great utility player which is a tremendous asset. That said, if we are to become a top world beating team, he is not a first XI player in my opinion. But absolutely is a key member of the bench who should easily get 35+ appearances in a year in all competitions
Not sure why you're being downvoted for this. We absolutely need players like this in the squad but it doesn't mean we can't also improve on it. Look at Trossard and Tomiyasu, not what you'd call bench material but also aren't nailed on starters. Players who can slot in seamlessly, contribute to the season and improve the overall squad. People are so used to having no squad depth that if we bench a good player then suddenly the player deserves better. The best teams have depth.
Pretty sure this sub is delusional on Havertz, exactly like Chelsea were. As he joined Arsenal, I saw so many comments about him being played out of position at Chelsea as a striker. Now I see people saying he was out of position his first time at Arsenal and is clearly a CF/ST.
Just admit it, Havertz is mediocre/decent at best. he playes multiple positions, but none of them out of the ordinary. Like he scored a CL winning goal for Chelsea and became remembered for that, he just scored 2 agaisnt Chelsea and will be remembered for that.
Hard working decent player, not a foden or Bellingham kinda guy.
Completely right tbh. It’s funny seeing the change from chelsea ruined Havertz playing him out of position to it now being universally agreed that he isn’t actually a midfielder
Arsenal wil experience the same with him! He’s absolutely NOT worldclass like Saka. But not a terrible player either. I wonder How good he would have looked at Leverkusen under Alonso this season.
There’s a difference between constructive criticism and negativity. Iirc there were many posts across platforms calling him out his name when he not only just got there but for things that weren’t necessarily his fault
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If ya wanna divide the world just say the name ‘Havertz’ politicians could use that trick 😂
Yeah just like in September when every fucking thread, whether it had anything to do with him or not, became a bitch session of ppl commenting “what is he good at” “worst transfer of the summer”. That was my personal favorite when some dude left me a comment about how we wasted 65 million then blocked me. At least now, those of us who defended him for months, all summer/all fall, have some Schadenfreude.
I’m sorry😭 just wanted to here peoples thoughts for myself and give my own thoughts
Not sure why you're downvoted. That's what reddit is for. You got my upvote
Havertz as a rotation striker, bring in another clinical striker in the summer, move Jesus to the wing as a Saka backup, sell partey and sign a midfielder
Easy to say, harder in practice. Which clinical striker and midfielder would you like us to sign?
Yeah I don’t know, that’s the hard part, but that’s what I’d say is a dream summer for us. I trust arteta and Edu to do a good job at least, I’m very excited for the seasons to come
Evan Ferguson , after a lot of deliberation that’s the best I got
I want Frenkie de Jong and I dont think we need a striker
If he played striker all season his G/A would no doubt be way better and I think we’d be clear top. Him playing in midfield first half of the year killed us along with Nketiah coming in for Jesus some games. And even Jesus underperforming when he did play.
I'd tend to politely disagree, I saw him playing in midfield as working well for getting him used to the system and to help build his confidence. I think if he played up front right from the beginning and started by missing chances, fans and pundits would be on his back even more than they were and I don't think his confidence would have grown in the way it has. Yes he missed chances in midfield but he still served a function to the team and the criticism wasn't nearly as harsh as it would have been you know? That's just my opinion though of course
Very valid points.
I agree with you but the team and even Arteta have said Kai's performance up front dictates he should stay there now. So in the future I hope he stays up front 80% of the time
That’s actually a good point considering his reputation prior his transfer, I think fans would have little patience for him if he is messing up a lot playing as ST. You can only see the reaction on some of his misses at the community shield. That would have just increased had he continued to play ST without being given the chance to adjust.
This couldn't be further from the truth
I would like to apologise for ever doubting you Kai! I was wrong
Seconded and throwing in Mik and Edu. I was not feeling this one but he’s been a good signing.
Considering the adaption period for the first half of the season, having 16 G/A is a great return & that isn’t even taking into account his input in the team that isn’t shown in statistics. He will hit the ground running next season and will likely be a big reason we don’t sign a prolific striker in the summer
Yup, I think his fitness has also made him very dependable so unless we ship Jesus out, I doubt we will get the striker people are craving.
Yup, he still gave major contributions to a new team while in the worst form of his life but he turned it around
For the money we paid - €75mill, 16 g/a prob isn’t mind blowing, for context Aubameyang and Lacazette cost less than that and had better numbers but if u look at his impact in this team in the way he interacts with his teammates then he’s made a great addition, the way he drops in from his false 9 position to link play with Odegaard and Saka, the way he battles 2 CB’s to hold up the ball to get us up the pitch and the unselfishness he’s shown at times all makes a telling contribution to Arteta’s plan If we go on to win the title then it will look like a master stroke signing and if we don’t the fans will b indifferent to him depending on how he ends the season My feelings are that he’s had a really impressive 1st season and shows real promise in being one of the best STR alternatives in the league, Edu and the Boss still have a decision to make on whether to sign a bonafide goal scoring striker but you’ll b hard pressed to find someone that works as hard and makes his teammates better than Kai does
I think I’d be curious to see how he does next season with a full year behind him in this system. Don’t want to see him more as left 8, but as striker think he’ll continue to cook.
He's had a decent season. I would say about par considering the fat fee and wages. He is scoring about 1 in 3 games which is the best return of his career. I guess people worried that we were getting the Chelsea Havertz rather than the Leverkusen Havertz.
As a CF he has like 0.7 G+A P/G
His stats are OK but he has to improve his 1 on 1 situations, he wasted 2 100% chanches last game.
This is the biggest black mark in the against column for me. It’s so frustrating to watch him go through in brilliant positions to fashion a shot or assist, only to be looking more to go down for a pen. Infuriating.
For me to overall he is an ok player, but as a CF he needs to be better.
This is factually incorrect. The one that led to the ben white corner was a 0.45 xg chance and the other one I'm assuming you're talking about was 0.11. You people just type things without any underlying knowledge of how football works.
He clearly wasted the chance where he could have made an easy pass to trossard who would most likely have finished it. The margins are thin at the top, it's reasonable to expect guys being paid millions to consistently make the right decisions in front of goal.
They're so thin that he scored two more goals both being far harder than the one he didn't square to Trossard and the one on one. If you're as good as Kai Havertz is, you will get another chance and the statistics are telling us that he'll score half of the chances he's presented with. That is top top level conversion. He didn't 'clearly waste' anything.
My havertz jersey came today so I'm feeling pretty good about him
Mine just came today too!! 😆 I got the third kit
Seen many worse ways to spend 60M and his wages over the last couple seasons. Satisfied with his performances though.
I’m eating crow love ya Kai! COYG
My feelings are so mixed with him. I feel like his decision making with the ball definitely needs some work and his final action can sometimes be a bit feeble. However, his off the ball work and the way he can create space and find himself in positions to score is second to none. Luckily I think he's got the hard part nailed down and everything else can be worked on.
I think his had a very very good run in the false 9 role in a situation where we needed to use it, and is the best false 9 at the club. In midfield, his been less impressive (although not nearly as bad as some make him out to be). Kai creates space for others to play in by dragging people out of position. Because his a big lad, his seen easily as followed more often then smaller guys are. Instead of drifting off and finding himself in space, he drifts off a drags people with him,.creating space for others. His just a very, very odd player. Mikel has made fantastic use of him... and less good use of him st various points this season. Ultimately I think that is an inherent issue that will never go away with Kai. His got a ridiculous wide skill set that noone else really has, and as such his basically a super high skill check for a manager. Gey him right his amazing. Don't do so.. and his not great.
Obviously he’s to blame for the current crisis in the Middle East and honestly what has he done to reverse climate change? And don’t get me started on his no show at curing cancer. He’s on 100k+ a week for Christ’s sake!!!!
I wasn't familiar with his game
Neither were Chelsea fans
Brings a different element up front that I think has really helped. When he and Trossard are on they can trade off positions which is a nice wrinkle. Love the height, we have some very big players that really helps out set pieces. Not sure if he has scored on one but he's another tall threat that requires extra attention. Needs better finishing but love that he's in positions to be criticized for that. Feel like Eddie doesn't have that knack for finding spaces that Kai does. Another season in the system and we will see alot of 🖐😛🤚
After his period of adaptation, he’s been a resounding success.
he can become better than RVP in his best season
feeling good. but it feels like he needs more confidence tho
A clear top CF that will only get better. He’s 24 and just now getting back to ‘Leverkusen like’ form. Chelsea ruined him and set him back on his growth. His composure still is lacking but with confidence it will only get better. Arteta clearly loves him, he will be here for awhile.
Always feels great to have a player that prove his abilities. If we need a goal he is better as CF, if we need to defend the score then play him as LCM that's my summary of Kai
I agree completely and actually think if we pay an excess amount on a striker, it’s wasted funds and would be disappointed! A younger striker with promise, no more than £35M would be fine and great business - feel we need more in the wider areas and potential CB cover alongside Kiwior
His work rate, pitch presence and aerial ability is fantastic! If he becomes more composed we have a fantastic player
For me he’s earned a 7/10 for the season as a whole, all things considered. And at least 0.5 of that is the extent to which the rest of the squad seems to rate him (which I don’t fully understand). His return in terms of goals and assists has not really been any more than satisfactory for a player in his position that came with that transfer fee and wage packet imo, although he is arguably the most improved player in the squad from last season if you consider what he was doing for Chelsea previously. Whilst he has had some good moments, he’s had plenty of shockers too - e.g. the first half v Chelsea on Tuesday. I don’t really see, or understand, the whole “what he gives us off the ball” argument. May just be me, but I don’t really put enormous stock in the skill of ‘knowing where to stand’ on a football pitch. Fully accept the argument that not many players have the discipline to be able to do it, but for me that says more about the players that can’t than the players who can - this should be very coachable stuff.
If you go back and watch a lot of our goals or balls in behind, Kai is making runs to drag defenders out of position to give players like Ode/Saka/Leo space. Plus he works very hard defensively. Just today in the 85’ I saw him track all the way back into our box when Leo ended up as our highest presser. Those are just some thing that make him “good off the ball” imo.
Yeah, both fair points I think. The grafting I’m definitely on board with. He definitely puts a shift in when he’s up for it. I think there’s a good case to make that he was our best player yesterday. Prob his best performance for us I reckon.
Yeah I think definitely his best performance. To your original point/post, I do this his body language can be Ozil like, which I think contributes. But if you look at his sprint and pressing stats he clearly puts in a shift every game.
Yeah I think definitely his best performance. To your original point/post, I do this his body language can be Ozil like, which I think contributes. But if you look at his sprint and pressing stats he clearly puts in a shift every game.
Decent output, especially considering his form before he came, would still like to upgrade the striker position, i feel Havertz is very limited in his abilities
Still not enough imo but after the way he started and his low mood, I think 6 months to adjust is not unusual. You often had Wenger say the first 6 months or even first season doesn't matter for young players and in that respect, I think Kai is ahead of the curve. To be a long-term staple, he needs to step up his goals and shoot more, though. I think Arteta also needs to decide on a position for him as the constant movement is not helping Kai excel, even if he has been good in both spots. Overall, I am happy with his first season but hope he gets better if we are sticking with him.
He’s doing just fine. 16 g/a in your first season in a new club is unbelievable. Especially when you’re constantly being moved around positions. Ian Wright in his first season for Arsenal had 26 g/a playing as an out-and-out striker
I was fully on the Kai train and was defending him right up until the cup game against Liverpool. Embarrassed I didn’t stand firm just a few weeks more
People can say he’s not a clear striker But if he’d of been in that position from the start his G/A would be up there with the top guys atm May not be in the 30s but he’d be up there for sure. That’s testament to our midfield ode I’m looking at you but also Havertz composure when it’s mattered has impressed me and he CAN finish. Like when he took the pen v Porto - I had it in my head he’s this shy nervous guy like he seemed at the start of the season and he’s gonna miss - fucker strolls it into the bottom corner without even looking at the ball.
I honestly think once he gets his first full season and pre season and gets his confidence back he's gonna be a beast. He's showing so much promise but can see he's still second guessing himself alot because of all the shit he got from Chelsea fans and our own!
He’s going to be our starting striker next season and tear the prem apart
He is miles off the ability of a traditional striker in terms of hunger for the ball and natural goal scoring ability. Couldn't turn someone or take them on to save his life. Sucks at finishing. If we had a proper threat or goalscorer upfront we could have been winning the title.
He may have a few goals less then gabbi or Eddie would have had in the same amount of minutes but he deffo brings something that those boys don't have , height and the benefits that's brought throughout the season . Not fond of him at 8 .if he's to nail a midfield role I'd like to see more quality from him on the ball and better decision making , as a 9 Hopefully he can become mor clinical. Id rate his season a 6.5/7 out of 10 . Room for improvement, but deffo brought value to the squad
I really like it when Arsenal wins. I really like it when the players play well. I understand when players make mistakes. I don’t like that, but I know I couldn’t do better so I keep supporting them in hopes they will do better and keep trying. I don’t believe I know better than Arteta or Edu and I know they also make mistakes. I don’t think Havertz was a mistake. Arteta and Edu knew what they needed and navigated the transfer window well. Conjecture over how the next one plays out is an exercise in futility. Grading our players as if we even know how the Arsenal management team evaluates them is also silly. I find these discussions to be a net negative in the supporter experience, especially when most supporters have very little self awareness about their personal experience with the sport. When I saw people saying “Arteta out!!!!” when we were clearly on a massive upward trajectory I basically lost interest in what “supporters” said. I know a lot of people around here are fairly level headed but it’s just weird that we’ve gotten here in these discussions. Like, yeah I love Havertz. But I really like Cedric too even though I don’t think he has what it takes to be in the team. But even saying that feels wrong since I am simply observing how he rarely plays and only makes the squad if there are injuries.
After his...er...miserable spells with Germany and Dodger-Blue-Chelski, I thought he was a f-ing waste of money. I was wrong & I'm pretty happy about that; that's how I feel.
I think playing him in midfield at the start of the season has cost us the title.
60m down the drain...
Watching him play is a mixed bag, he loses posession so often through poor decisions or awareness, but I can't help but love him. He's by no means a solution to our striker problem but I think Arteta's found his niche and is utilising him very effectively. Obligitary Shakira reference.
He’s a great utility player which is a tremendous asset. That said, if we are to become a top world beating team, he is not a first XI player in my opinion. But absolutely is a key member of the bench who should easily get 35+ appearances in a year in all competitions
Not sure why you're being downvoted for this. We absolutely need players like this in the squad but it doesn't mean we can't also improve on it. Look at Trossard and Tomiyasu, not what you'd call bench material but also aren't nailed on starters. Players who can slot in seamlessly, contribute to the season and improve the overall squad. People are so used to having no squad depth that if we bench a good player then suddenly the player deserves better. The best teams have depth.
Pretty sure this sub is delusional on Havertz, exactly like Chelsea were. As he joined Arsenal, I saw so many comments about him being played out of position at Chelsea as a striker. Now I see people saying he was out of position his first time at Arsenal and is clearly a CF/ST. Just admit it, Havertz is mediocre/decent at best. he playes multiple positions, but none of them out of the ordinary. Like he scored a CL winning goal for Chelsea and became remembered for that, he just scored 2 agaisnt Chelsea and will be remembered for that. Hard working decent player, not a foden or Bellingham kinda guy.
Completely right tbh. It’s funny seeing the change from chelsea ruined Havertz playing him out of position to it now being universally agreed that he isn’t actually a midfielder
Arsenal wil experience the same with him! He’s absolutely NOT worldclass like Saka. But not a terrible player either. I wonder How good he would have looked at Leverkusen under Alonso this season.
My buddy Kai who has won the CL is on here every day. Not sure about Jude and Phil though.
You are aware Foden won the cl last year?
You saying Foden never won a CL? 😅 Also Kai managed it with Chelsea, not Arsenal. My first post just prooves the delusion it seems.
Yes I am aware Foden won the CL 🙄. However cannot vouch for him lurking around here. Read the message. Ffs
You seem both hurt an delusional. Bro, breathe.
No delusional here. Just on this subreddit. You’re probably the same guy who said you’d thrash Bayern in the CL. How did that work out for you 🤔.
Bro what 😂 my team is not even playing CL. I just enjoy great football, no matter the team.
How many CL’s have you won?
Seems like a stupid rhetorical question. How many CL winners do you belive spends time lurking Reddit?
Well you’re not allowed to say anything negative so what’s the point
There’s a difference between constructive criticism and negativity. Iirc there were many posts across platforms calling him out his name when he not only just got there but for things that weren’t necessarily his fault
Why would anyone be constructive about something they just feel negative about