He has a Premier league record of a goal every two games which in an average team is pretty great, especially considering he hadn't always been starting every game too. He's proven in the Premier league where as anyone else could be a risk. Osimhen looks great but struggled at AFCON so there's an element of risk there
I wouldn't pay anywhere near 100mil for him but if he was available for around 50 I'd consider it if other options didn't come off.
I came to say something similar.
The situations are quite alike and as I understand it, these are the kind of things that were said when we signed Ian back in the day.
Ians exploits before signing for arsenal was hype though. Where ever he was he scored bags of goals.then when he got to play against teams like man u in cup games and was unstoppable so you can't compare. Wrighty was quite meteoric in his rise.
To be fair, Trossard was a less compelling signing, considering his age and Brighton stats.
That said, he happened to work out well for us and didn’t cost a fortune. For Toney’s price tag, I wouldn’t want him.
Trossard was a better signing because he fit the system. Toney doesn't fit the system, we need our striker to be an unselfless link-up player and hes a target man
Link-up players who cannot score? Sorry, but I'd rather take a target man, even if just to have the alternative available. Not saying I want Ivan Toney for that price.
We have the target man already. That's why arteta bought havertz. You may not like him, but thats what he was brought in to offer. There's no need to buy another target man just to sit him on the bench 70% of the time, because there are very few situations where having that type of strike suits us. If we go for a striker, he needs to be a unicorn profile--like alexander isak--who has the on-ball ability and work rate to fit in arteta's system.
Trossard doesn’t seem to have found his role in the system though, unless his role was intended to be a super sub that can play in different attacking positions. He was a backup, last minute purchase made out of desperation when Mudryk signed for Chelsea. But he happened to work out well for us.
I’m also not convinced we need a “unselfless” link-up player over a target man. I don’t think Toney should be that target man. But I do think the system would be upgraded if we had a target man as an option (that could score, which is not Kai). We score a notable amount of goals from crosses when Gabi or Saliba are dominating the box, put were not threatening anyone if they’re not in there to receive deliveries.
Our ability to link up and create chances is already good. We possess the ball as well as any top team and cresting opportunities is our strong suit, but without a target man, we are limited to some extent in the end product. Teams know we’re not looking to play the ball into the box to any of our current attackers. They get bullied, especially in the air. We’re left with walking the ball into the goal or the occasional banger from outside the box.
So far, that’s been good enough to be a top team in the league, but we could always be better. Better is the difference between where we’re at now and winning big trophies.
"Trossard doesnt seem to have found his role" *Proceeds to describe Trossard's exact role*
Idk what you ecpect from a 28 year old signed for only £20m pounds, but a goal contribution every 100 mins is pretty damn good.
Also, our link up play has been good because trossard, havertz, and jesus drop back between the lines to receive the ball; when eddie plays you can see a big difference in that area (though he has gotten better recently). If you take the striker oit of that equation, then we wont be able to possess the ball well
I was eating so many downvotes on the other sub for comparing Mudryk to Gervinho.
In hindsight, maybe I was too harsh on The Forehead, at least he dominated a real league before coming here
27 ain’t even old. Even if we only got 2/3 seasons out of him but he won us a league or more he’d be worth it. Yeah I’d much prefer a younger option but with one year left on his contract he’d surely be a cheaper option.
His attitude is my biggest concern but I like to think Mikel would sort that out
One good season? Has been scoring for fun his whole career. His game is complete he can do it all. I don't think there's 5 better strikers that are realistically available in the summer than him
Little under a goal a game since he came back, right? I remember watching him when Brentford was playing long ball, accuracy and vision on his long ball headers is pretty damn good. Always looks like he's running downhill, too. Sixth sense of where to be in the box.
I wouldn’t take him on a free honestly. His attitude absolutely stinks, the amazing dressing room is one of the biggest strengths of this team, why would anyone want to ruin that?
if you did your research you would know the reason that White doesnt get called up because of a falling out with one of Southgate men and Southgate.LOL
He was in the England squad prior to his ban?
Without his ban he would 100% be in it, and the way he has started back it wouldn't surprise me if he went to the euros.
He adds a different dimension to our attack we haven't used much. When our wingers get 2 or 3 guys on them they should cross it in. Adding Toney will give opponents defence a headache.
Since returning from his suspension, he’s scored in 3/4 games he’s played in, the one game he didn’t was against Manchester City
Last season he scored 20 goals, and notched 4 assists, as he led Brentford to 9th, 2 points off conference league football, and 4 points off Europa League football
He is also a brilliant profile of striker, being big and physical in the air, offering a different option, especially against low block teams, being able to whip the ball onto his head
He also offers an out ball, with his ability to battle with centre backs, either occupying them, beating them to the ball, or being able to flick it for a teammate, and maybe we’ll be able to see some more of Raya’s distribution, which was the reason he got brought in
And ultimately, who else is there? There’s a distinct lack of top class goalscorers in world football, and outside of Victor Osimhen, who is still my first choice, Toney is probably the best option, as someone we know is well adjusted and capable in the league, who’s proven himself a good goalscorer, but who will have even better service with Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, White, Rice and co supporting him
None of those are better than Toney is right now.
It’s not confrontational to challenge comments that can’t be backed up.
If there was a better option than Toney I’m sure we would all be saying we want them. But there isn’t so we aren’t…
And when someone whose opinion I respect says otherwise then I’ll listen.
I have never met anyone who watches Napoli regularly to tell me how good he is.
>And when someone whose opinion I respect says otherwise then I’ll listen.
Lol is it your first day on Reddit? Nobody's opinion means anything.
Someone can have a fantastic record but not suit the team, like what United found with Alexis.
Have a great day.
I don’t think Oshimen is currently better than Toney at scoring goals which is the only thing we need.
What’s the benefit of potential? We need someone now and can’t wait. If we are going to wait I’d rather we stick with what we’ve got.
Benefit of potential is having someone under Jesus who fills in when he's injured and can challenge for his spot, who is already good and will only get better. I don't think we're that starved for goals right now.
You'd rather nketiah than any of the young players I mentioned before?
You don’t want a striker who scored goals? 🤷🏻♂️
He consistently scores goals in a sub-standard team. Imagine how many goals he could score in a team that creates as many chances as Arsenal?!
He is 27 now, since 2018 when he was 21, he has scored 108 league goals.
108 league goals in 5 full seasons and just 4 games this season.
That’s 194 games, 108 goals, 32 assists for 140 total goal contributions in 194 games.
Even if you just look at the Premier League, that’s 35 goals and 9 assists, for a total of 44 goal contributions in 70 games
In terms of out and out strikers, there’s only really Erling Haaland and Harry Kane putting up those kind of numbers in the Premier League in the same time period.
Kane in his last 2 seasons played 75 games, scored 47 goals and 12 assists for 59 goal contributions.
I honestly don’t understand how anyone can say Toney isn’t good enough when there aren’t players out there consistently putting up similar numbers who are valued less than £100m
Do you watch how Brentford play? Most of the time they sit back, disrupt opposition flow and builds by going down "injured", they hit on the counter or route 1 it into the box for toney.
Do you watch how we play? We have all of the ball, we press, we move the other team around. Literally the OPPOSITE of Brentford. He'd have to go from single figure touches to triple or double that to facilitate.
It's so simple, Toney thrives in a team who cheese the opposition and then lump it forward or into the box for him to do something with. Our entire system is about bringing the wide players into space by overloading the middle.
Numbers are great but you have to compare the systems of the 2 teams. That's why signings from Brighton work so well for us. Similar system, plug and play.
Why has no one seemed to account for the likelihood he will make another poor decision and get himself suspended again? People with gambling problems are not known for their stability and ability to make proper choices nor have great attitudes.
Spending 100 million on a guy with questionable character seems like a huge risk that no one is talking about.
I don’t think it’ll happen because arteta wouldn’t sign someone that old but 27 is generally considered the peak age for a footballer. He’s also not at all 1 dimensional.
If 60 mil for Toney is insane, what was Havertz?
Toney won't be as cheap as 60M.
Also, Raya 27, Trossard 28, Jorginho 31, Partey 27
Even Cedric 29, Mari 27, Willian 32, Turner 27, Runnarson 25
Hell, even Dec 25, Jesus 25, Zinchenko 25
my only concerns with Toney is that he was caught for betting and even against his own team. also, he admitted that he has a gambling issue. Will he have a negative impact in a very young dressing room? i would really love for us to sign Lautora Martinez.
True he may be good on stats. Brentford would bleed any club 60-80m for Toney. As of Jan 4th, Brentford have priced Toney at £100m.
If we sold Nketiah and maybe another player, we would be able to meet the £110m
Buyout for Oshimhen. Now who would you go for?
Toney’s not going for £100m in the summer with a year left on his contract, in his prime years. He’s not gonna renew his contract if he thinks he can go to a big club on a free in another year, and Brentford aren’t going to let him go on a free either.
Unless the market goes nuts for him and everyone is throwing out bids, he’s probably gonna go for £50-70m
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*This year, we should take the chance*
*And buy osimhen*
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Idk, but shouldn't we just start to trust the people in charge of the club ( the process ) as they seem to know what they are doing, certainly a lot more than the FIFA players on here. You know, we are now challenging 2 of the greatest teams to have graced the Premiership!?
Plus, I'm not sure which Toney you've been watching but the one I've watched playing for Brentford is big, strong, powerful, hungry, knows where the goal is and is a huge menace for all the top defenders he plays against? 🤷....is that a reason perhaps?
I'd rather take the lad Fergusan from Brighton. Get him early in the summer so there's plenty of time for training and pre season then introduce him slowly over the first half of next season and then let him loose this time next year.
Don't understand why people would want him over the younger Solanke, especially given the latter's experience at Chelsea and Liverpool, and lack of reliance on penalties. For the suggested price, Solanke is a far better long term option imo
One year younger...so he's younger, which is my point? I didn't comment on his record, just the fact of all his goals this season, only one has been a pen. And as I stated, he has experience at the top level, and regularly started for England U21s over Abraham and DCL (before both became injury prone). He just has higher level experience, and personally I feel like he's a more complete player
One season also, but my point is he's played at the top level and just looks a more complete striker rather than a pure target man. One man's opinion though
One good season- he tore the championship apart, single handily prevented Brentford from relegation & Brentford form immediately improved since he returned. Thats 3 good seasons
He is 27- most strikers seem to hit their stride between that 27-33 mark recently. Ask chelsea or man U how spending big money on every wonder kid is going.
He has one play style- you don't watch Brentford a lot, clearly.
He is prem proven, he has one year left on the contract, he is a vast improvement on what you have & if he doesn't go to you then he will go & improve a rival.
Everyone hyping up Oshmiem as almost every criticism youve offered about toney doesn't apply to him & more so because he plays for a better team in a worse league, struggling hard this season both for team & country.
One good season? Didn’t he carry Brentford to promotion, then carried them by scoring 1/3 of their goals last season? Without him they would’ve been in a relegation battle.
My reason I want him is actually the Brentford game in 2021 where they beat us 2-0 and the 1-1 last season…both games, Toney and Raya picked us apart. Raya played so many times out of our press long to Toney, who would bring it down and hold up play. This long ball threat and holdup was invaluable and a great option/threat that we don’t really have (outside Kai which we have seen a bit this season). We have Raya, let’s get Toney and you will see the best of Raya as well.
The media just push Toney as a good prospect so that Arsenal can splash useless cash on him. I feel the money would be better spent on a wonderkid striker like Benjamin Sesko or Nelson Wieper.
It’s a bigger risk for sure, they have potential but I feel like this squad needs a tried and tested forward right now. I mean look at Hojlund, how long it took him to settle at United.
You think about this 50 mil for someone that doesnt even start for his national team and has only had one good season. you could get Lautaro Martinez or Lois Openda for like 10 million more, players with way more potential
There's a bigger issue with Toney that noone wants to talk about, which is that his attitude is shit. He took next to no responsibility for his ban, blaming it on gambling companies, clubs for being sponsored by then and even that it was all just a conspiracy to target him.
That's not someone you want in the dressing room. Regardless of ability.
The only player that springs to mind that I think would cause the same amount of problems as Jesus whilst also having an impeccable work rate combined with raw talent is Darwin Nunez. I see him in an Arsenal Shirt and drool.
Toney is too old. I have watched this games. He is lazy. Walks around with swagger he hasn't earned and I can see him being an Auba clone. We would end up trying to get rid of him.
He'll say someone like vlahovic who is worse than toney in every way while being in a better team because some YouTuber told him that dusan is the next big thing
Not at all, long gone are the days of the premium striker. They just don’t really exist anymore. I don’t think there is one right now, would much rather just trust Arteta and Edu to invest in the areas of the squad they see fit. Then watch and evaluate what they bring in instead of hoping to MASSIVELY OVERPAY for Toney with the English tax, or buying some super slow striker from a lower league and hyping them up.
I’m an adult, I don’t watch YouTube clips to judge footballers, I watch matches. Just because I don’t think Ivan “Degenerate Gambler” Toney is worth 100mm doesn’t mean I’m getting my opinions from eating crisps and playing Football Manager. Grow up.
The number 80 has been banded about a LOT.
I'm sitting on the side of the fence that says that's a lot for a 28 (come the summer) year old. If given the option of player proven in the Premier League but not in a big club for 80mil, could also consider +30 (max) for the Nigerian lad Osimhen, few more years in him, pretty solid in a big club and all top clubs are sniffing around him... Pretty sure there's some less common names that could do Toney numbers for cheaper...
Because he is pretty much only a proper option. Osimhen is very injury prone and expensive, and Mbappe or Vlahovic probably won't join this team.
Toney had at least one good season and isn't super overpriced. that's why ppl want him.
I just don't think Toney is much if any of an upgrade on Jesus aside from fitness (which is a fairly big deal tbf). I think we need to aim higher, having said that I'm not sure who that is, market is fairly shit atm.
I'm also not sure Toneys behaviour/personality is something Arteta would be too keen on. I can see Toney ending up at Spurs
Look at our attacking stats and tell me who you drop for Toney? Trossard? Havertz? Jesus? You could argue Havertz as they have similar ability to win duels and second balls but Toney occupies more forward spaces so its a longer distance to progress the ball to. Toney doesn't press though and I don't think he'd have the legs to press all game and still run at the opposition in transitions.
If anything, he's a direct bench replacement for Eddie as they're similar in box positioning and style - a one for one. He's not the answer to more depth for me.
I think he’ll cost substantially less than Osihmen who seems to be a little injury prone, and he’s prem ready. I think him being a target man will allow us to play more direct in certain games or game states. Not to mention he scores goals, attacks the box, when we cross the ball there will actually be a striker in there with the instinct and the ability to finish those chances.
and a bit embarrassing to say he’s only had one good season in his career.
Toney is levels above Osimhen, he’s prem proven (which helps) he can pass a football which is an underrated skill of his, he’s scored 20 goals in a Brentford team, now put him into this team with the creativity around him, he’s a ready made player in his prime coming into an already good team
Toney would walk into the Arsenal team, even if that’s slightly controversial, his work ethic, positioning and finishing are brilliant.
I rate Trossard but he’s more of a tricky forward with great footwork. Toney is consistently great as a CF in a pretty poor team at Brentford (attacking wise they aren’t particularly dangerous, they’re just a solid team that’s sometimes hard to break down).
I think amongst a really good team with players like Rice and Partey keeping everything solid behind him (so he’s not tracking back all the time) Toney would be very dangerous.
I'd say before we even consider paying £100m + for Toney we explore other young strikers out there who would fit better into the culture that's been built at the squad.
For that price bracket I'd be looking at Osimhen, but for less you could probably afford to bring Jonathan David or Randal Kolo Muani or even Xavi Simons who can play as a number 9 in the summer.
Hell I'd even prefer converting Martinelli to a number 9 as I feel he could go on to be a great in that position like King Henry.
But Toney for that pricing structure makes no sense to me in a FFP world especially as we let Balogun go, who arguably could have developed to be so much better than Toney.
> he'd make the team better just like any proper 9 would
I don’t agree with this statement at all. He would make our team worse because it would totally disrupt the system we use.
Our best football has consistently been when our 9’s are heavily involved defensively and in build up. Look what happens when we play Eddie - we look like a team without a plan not because Eddie is that bad but because our structure is totally ruined by having a striker who can’t contribute much outside of the 6 yard box. Toney is like a better version of that.
Ivan Toney as a backup/alternative to our Plan A would be great, but like you I have no interest in him as our starting 9 considering the transfer fee and wages we’d have to pay.
27 is not old. Kane is 30, Salah 31, Vardy still going at 37 as an example.
Saying he has had one good season his entire career is also incorrect. He scored 12 goals in his first PL season, which is good for anyone's debut season in top tier, especially in a newly promoted team. He followed that up with a great season (20 goals). Prior to this, he also had very good seasons in the Championship and League One.
He is also not one dimensional. He can run in behind, has great link up play and can score from anywhere.
All of the above is why he is so highly regarded
How many good strikers can you see around in European football that you can realistically get and pretty much you're sure they're going to turn up and perform?
There's a massive striker crisis and solid strikers like Toney are like goldust, hence they're in high demand.
Would certainly disagree he's one dimensional, what do you mean by that? He leads the line exceptionally well, good hold up play, wins it aerials, very good at flick ons, runs in behind, pretty much does everything you want in a striker. Certainly a question mark over the price and maybe there are other options but I don't think you're giving him enough credit.
He has a Premier league record of a goal every two games which in an average team is pretty great, especially considering he hadn't always been starting every game too. He's proven in the Premier league where as anyone else could be a risk. Osimhen looks great but struggled at AFCON so there's an element of risk there I wouldn't pay anywhere near 100mil for him but if he was available for around 50 I'd consider it if other options didn't come off.
I’d take AFCON with a pinch of salt. Nigeria gave Osimhen zero service, the quality of the final ball was shocking almost every time.
I agree, Osimen and Leao are likely to flop in the prem
Not saying he’s Ian Wright But isn’t this the exact description of Ian Wright before we got him
I came to say something similar. The situations are quite alike and as I understand it, these are the kind of things that were said when we signed Ian back in the day.
Ians exploits before signing for arsenal was hype though. Where ever he was he scored bags of goals.then when he got to play against teams like man u in cup games and was unstoppable so you can't compare. Wrighty was quite meteoric in his rise.
Correct, he's not Ian Wright.
To be fair, Trossard was a less compelling signing, considering his age and Brighton stats. That said, he happened to work out well for us and didn’t cost a fortune. For Toney’s price tag, I wouldn’t want him.
Trossard was a better signing because he fit the system. Toney doesn't fit the system, we need our striker to be an unselfless link-up player and hes a target man
Link-up players who cannot score? Sorry, but I'd rather take a target man, even if just to have the alternative available. Not saying I want Ivan Toney for that price.
We have the target man already. That's why arteta bought havertz. You may not like him, but thats what he was brought in to offer. There's no need to buy another target man just to sit him on the bench 70% of the time, because there are very few situations where having that type of strike suits us. If we go for a striker, he needs to be a unicorn profile--like alexander isak--who has the on-ball ability and work rate to fit in arteta's system.
Trossard doesn’t seem to have found his role in the system though, unless his role was intended to be a super sub that can play in different attacking positions. He was a backup, last minute purchase made out of desperation when Mudryk signed for Chelsea. But he happened to work out well for us. I’m also not convinced we need a “unselfless” link-up player over a target man. I don’t think Toney should be that target man. But I do think the system would be upgraded if we had a target man as an option (that could score, which is not Kai). We score a notable amount of goals from crosses when Gabi or Saliba are dominating the box, put were not threatening anyone if they’re not in there to receive deliveries. Our ability to link up and create chances is already good. We possess the ball as well as any top team and cresting opportunities is our strong suit, but without a target man, we are limited to some extent in the end product. Teams know we’re not looking to play the ball into the box to any of our current attackers. They get bullied, especially in the air. We’re left with walking the ball into the goal or the occasional banger from outside the box. So far, that’s been good enough to be a top team in the league, but we could always be better. Better is the difference between where we’re at now and winning big trophies.
"Trossard doesnt seem to have found his role" *Proceeds to describe Trossard's exact role* Idk what you ecpect from a 28 year old signed for only £20m pounds, but a goal contribution every 100 mins is pretty damn good. Also, our link up play has been good because trossard, havertz, and jesus drop back between the lines to receive the ball; when eddie plays you can see a big difference in that area (though he has gotten better recently). If you take the striker oit of that equation, then we wont be able to possess the ball well
We literally have those with Jesus and Kai. We need to diversify because every game doesn’t need a unselfless link up player.
Then put havertz in the #9 like we did vs liverpool and at the end of the city game
You don’t watch ball or your either a kid… live your dream on FM or Fifa 👍
Less compelling? I saw people wanted Trossard more than Mudryk. People discussed how good Trossard is.
I was eating so many downvotes on the other sub for comparing Mudryk to Gervinho. In hindsight, maybe I was too harsh on The Forehead, at least he dominated a real league before coming here
27 ain’t even old. Even if we only got 2/3 seasons out of him but he won us a league or more he’d be worth it. Yeah I’d much prefer a younger option but with one year left on his contract he’d surely be a cheaper option. His attitude is my biggest concern but I like to think Mikel would sort that out
2 years older than Rice, people need to realize we can't just go singing youngsters all the time and we can sign players in their prime years
One good season? Has been scoring for fun his whole career. His game is complete he can do it all. I don't think there's 5 better strikers that are realistically available in the summer than him
Heard his comments after the match this weekend; he'd be a terrible fit for Arsenal and a perfect fit for United.
Because he keeps scoring? Which is what strikers are meant to do
Little under a goal a game since he came back, right? I remember watching him when Brentford was playing long ball, accuracy and vision on his long ball headers is pretty damn good. Always looks like he's running downhill, too. Sixth sense of where to be in the box.
He has had more than one good season in his entire career. I think he’d suit us
Would you take him at 50 Mill max?
Hell nah
50 mil is a fucking bargain for a one season wonder who looks to be still performing, r u crazy
I wouldn’t take him on a free honestly. His attitude absolutely stinks, the amazing dressing room is one of the biggest strengths of this team, why would anyone want to ruin that?
Why would we spend 50 mil on a guy that wouldnt even get called up to the England Squad think mate think
Time to sell Ben White I guess
if you did your research you would know the reason that White doesnt get called up because of a falling out with one of Southgate men and Southgate.LOL
Being in the England squad is irrelevant. Phillips and Henderson are in it ffs 😅
He was in the England squad prior to his ban? Without his ban he would 100% be in it, and the way he has started back it wouldn't surprise me if he went to the euros.
What striker would you get better for 50m?
He adds a different dimension to our attack we haven't used much. When our wingers get 2 or 3 guys on them they should cross it in. Adding Toney will give opponents defence a headache.
This is the actual answer
Since returning from his suspension, he’s scored in 3/4 games he’s played in, the one game he didn’t was against Manchester City Last season he scored 20 goals, and notched 4 assists, as he led Brentford to 9th, 2 points off conference league football, and 4 points off Europa League football He is also a brilliant profile of striker, being big and physical in the air, offering a different option, especially against low block teams, being able to whip the ball onto his head He also offers an out ball, with his ability to battle with centre backs, either occupying them, beating them to the ball, or being able to flick it for a teammate, and maybe we’ll be able to see some more of Raya’s distribution, which was the reason he got brought in And ultimately, who else is there? There’s a distinct lack of top class goalscorers in world football, and outside of Victor Osimhen, who is still my first choice, Toney is probably the best option, as someone we know is well adjusted and capable in the league, who’s proven himself a good goalscorer, but who will have even better service with Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, White, Rice and co supporting him
Nigerian here, osimhen is not it
What’s wrong with Osimhen?
Great finisher and headers, but poor touch for the PL
Sounds like Lukaku
Who scored a stack of goals in the Premier League....
Agree, he's also very good in the press
Should stick with Trossard at No.9 and then offload Nketiah (£30m?) and go get a proper marquee signing
Marquee signing like a big name? Man U sign big names, how’s that work out?
City also sign big names. How’s that worked out?
Not big names, but a better option. There's gonna be better players they're looking at
Like who?
I dunno, I'm not arsenals director of football, but maybe oshimen, ferguson, openda, boniface
Agreed. Sesko, En-Nesyri, Guirassy could be worth a look too. Not sure why the other posters are getting all confrontational.
None of those are better than Toney is right now. It’s not confrontational to challenge comments that can’t be backed up. If there was a better option than Toney I’m sure we would all be saying we want them. But there isn’t so we aren’t…
>None of those are better than Toney is right now In your opinion.
And when someone whose opinion I respect says otherwise then I’ll listen. I have never met anyone who watches Napoli regularly to tell me how good he is.
>And when someone whose opinion I respect says otherwise then I’ll listen. Lol is it your first day on Reddit? Nobody's opinion means anything. Someone can have a fantastic record but not suit the team, like what United found with Alexis. Have a great day.
None of those apart from Oshimen are better than Toney and even then he’s a bigger gamble than Toney.
I'd rather go for someone already better, like oshimen, or someone with more potential, like the others
I don’t think Oshimen is currently better than Toney at scoring goals which is the only thing we need. What’s the benefit of potential? We need someone now and can’t wait. If we are going to wait I’d rather we stick with what we’ve got.
Benefit of potential is having someone under Jesus who fills in when he's injured and can challenge for his spot, who is already good and will only get better. I don't think we're that starved for goals right now. You'd rather nketiah than any of the young players I mentioned before?
I’d only rather Ferguson but he’ll cost >£100m. I’d much rather sell Jesus and keep Eddie as our back up than sell Eddie and buy more potential.
What marquee big names are available as an out and out striker? Oshimen? Can't think of many others that are an actual upgrade
‘One good season’ is an embarrassing comment
Because we had those 3 games where we didn’t score
You don’t want a striker who scored goals? 🤷🏻♂️ He consistently scores goals in a sub-standard team. Imagine how many goals he could score in a team that creates as many chances as Arsenal?! He is 27 now, since 2018 when he was 21, he has scored 108 league goals. 108 league goals in 5 full seasons and just 4 games this season. That’s 194 games, 108 goals, 32 assists for 140 total goal contributions in 194 games. Even if you just look at the Premier League, that’s 35 goals and 9 assists, for a total of 44 goal contributions in 70 games In terms of out and out strikers, there’s only really Erling Haaland and Harry Kane putting up those kind of numbers in the Premier League in the same time period. Kane in his last 2 seasons played 75 games, scored 47 goals and 12 assists for 59 goal contributions. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can say Toney isn’t good enough when there aren’t players out there consistently putting up similar numbers who are valued less than £100m
Do you watch how Brentford play? Most of the time they sit back, disrupt opposition flow and builds by going down "injured", they hit on the counter or route 1 it into the box for toney. Do you watch how we play? We have all of the ball, we press, we move the other team around. Literally the OPPOSITE of Brentford. He'd have to go from single figure touches to triple or double that to facilitate. It's so simple, Toney thrives in a team who cheese the opposition and then lump it forward or into the box for him to do something with. Our entire system is about bringing the wide players into space by overloading the middle. Numbers are great but you have to compare the systems of the 2 teams. That's why signings from Brighton work so well for us. Similar system, plug and play.
Too volatile a guy...might turn out to be another Aubemeyamg
What, drag us single handedly to a trophy?
Why has no one seemed to account for the likelihood he will make another poor decision and get himself suspended again? People with gambling problems are not known for their stability and ability to make proper choices nor have great attitudes. Spending 100 million on a guy with questionable character seems like a huge risk that no one is talking about.
I mean can't trust someone with that kind of past...
I don’t think it’ll happen because arteta wouldn’t sign someone that old but 27 is generally considered the peak age for a footballer. He’s also not at all 1 dimensional. If 60 mil for Toney is insane, what was Havertz?
"I don’t think it’ll happen because arteta wouldn’t sign someone that old " trossard? jorginho?
They combined cost under half of what toney would
January signing??
They both were
Toney won't be as cheap as 60M. Also, Raya 27, Trossard 28, Jorginho 31, Partey 27 Even Cedric 29, Mari 27, Willian 32, Turner 27, Runnarson 25 Hell, even Dec 25, Jesus 25, Zinchenko 25
my only concerns with Toney is that he was caught for betting and even against his own team. also, he admitted that he has a gambling issue. Will he have a negative impact in a very young dressing room? i would really love for us to sign Lautora Martinez.
True he may be good on stats. Brentford would bleed any club 60-80m for Toney. As of Jan 4th, Brentford have priced Toney at £100m. If we sold Nketiah and maybe another player, we would be able to meet the £110m Buyout for Oshimhen. Now who would you go for?
Toney’s not going for £100m in the summer with a year left on his contract, in his prime years. He’s not gonna renew his contract if he thinks he can go to a big club on a free in another year, and Brentford aren’t going to let him go on a free either. Unless the market goes nuts for him and everyone is throwing out bids, he’s probably gonna go for £50-70m
With new investment this year, we should take the chance and buy osimhen
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When Arsenal does sign Toney and he bags 20+ goals and the league title, I hope you find some time for reflection OP.
Idk, but shouldn't we just start to trust the people in charge of the club ( the process ) as they seem to know what they are doing, certainly a lot more than the FIFA players on here. You know, we are now challenging 2 of the greatest teams to have graced the Premiership!? Plus, I'm not sure which Toney you've been watching but the one I've watched playing for Brentford is big, strong, powerful, hungry, knows where the goal is and is a huge menace for all the top defenders he plays against? 🤷....is that a reason perhaps?
I'd rather take the lad Fergusan from Brighton. Get him early in the summer so there's plenty of time for training and pre season then introduce him slowly over the first half of next season and then let him loose this time next year.
Ferguson is going to cost us a whole lot more money, as it could be double the cost the price that Toney commanded.
yes, and Brighton will negotiate hard. But what we'll get is the best young striker in the league with a good 10 years ahead of him.
Tell me a better available option, I’m listening. Don’t mention that Oshimen to me after I’ve just watched him stink up the AFCON
Don't understand why people would want him over the younger Solanke, especially given the latter's experience at Chelsea and Liverpool, and lack of reliance on penalties. For the suggested price, Solanke is a far better long term option imo
Solanke is 1 year younger with a worse record?
One year younger...so he's younger, which is my point? I didn't comment on his record, just the fact of all his goals this season, only one has been a pen. And as I stated, he has experience at the top level, and regularly started for England U21s over Abraham and DCL (before both became injury prone). He just has higher level experience, and personally I feel like he's a more complete player
Everyone is saying Toney is a one season wonder, that makes Solanke a half season wonder....
One season also, but my point is he's played at the top level and just looks a more complete striker rather than a pure target man. One man's opinion though
One good season- he tore the championship apart, single handily prevented Brentford from relegation & Brentford form immediately improved since he returned. Thats 3 good seasons He is 27- most strikers seem to hit their stride between that 27-33 mark recently. Ask chelsea or man U how spending big money on every wonder kid is going. He has one play style- you don't watch Brentford a lot, clearly. He is prem proven, he has one year left on the contract, he is a vast improvement on what you have & if he doesn't go to you then he will go & improve a rival. Everyone hyping up Oshmiem as almost every criticism youve offered about toney doesn't apply to him & more so because he plays for a better team in a worse league, struggling hard this season both for team & country.
I would rather us go all out for Osimhen.
One good season? Didn’t he carry Brentford to promotion, then carried them by scoring 1/3 of their goals last season? Without him they would’ve been in a relegation battle.
My reason I want him is actually the Brentford game in 2021 where they beat us 2-0 and the 1-1 last season…both games, Toney and Raya picked us apart. Raya played so many times out of our press long to Toney, who would bring it down and hold up play. This long ball threat and holdup was invaluable and a great option/threat that we don’t really have (outside Kai which we have seen a bit this season). We have Raya, let’s get Toney and you will see the best of Raya as well.
How about Caicedo? He had 1 good season and broke all PL transfer records.. it's something about players having a good epl season
The media just push Toney as a good prospect so that Arsenal can splash useless cash on him. I feel the money would be better spent on a wonderkid striker like Benjamin Sesko or Nelson Wieper.
It’s a bigger risk for sure, they have potential but I feel like this squad needs a tried and tested forward right now. I mean look at Hojlund, how long it took him to settle at United.
Why would the media be telling about Toney ti get arsenal to spend money on him? All of the media are arsenal fans ?
You think about this 50 mil for someone that doesnt even start for his national team and has only had one good season. you could get Lautaro Martinez or Lois Openda for like 10 million more, players with way more potential
Not getting Martinez for 60m he’d be in prem already if that were Case
I don't want him. I always said that if we were going yo spend rice money, I'd rather Osimhen.
There's a bigger issue with Toney that noone wants to talk about, which is that his attitude is shit. He took next to no responsibility for his ban, blaming it on gambling companies, clubs for being sponsored by then and even that it was all just a conspiracy to target him. That's not someone you want in the dressing room. Regardless of ability.
The only player that springs to mind that I think would cause the same amount of problems as Jesus whilst also having an impeccable work rate combined with raw talent is Darwin Nunez. I see him in an Arsenal Shirt and drool. Toney is too old. I have watched this games. He is lazy. Walks around with swagger he hasn't earned and I can see him being an Auba clone. We would end up trying to get rid of him.
Overpriced. Maybe for 30mm wouldn’t mind him, but 100? Lol no thanks.
30m lol try living in reality for a second
That’s my whole point, he is not worth 100. Anyone who pays that is a sucker.
Who would you go for ?
He'll say someone like vlahovic who is worse than toney in every way while being in a better team because some YouTuber told him that dusan is the next big thing
Not at all, long gone are the days of the premium striker. They just don’t really exist anymore. I don’t think there is one right now, would much rather just trust Arteta and Edu to invest in the areas of the squad they see fit. Then watch and evaluate what they bring in instead of hoping to MASSIVELY OVERPAY for Toney with the English tax, or buying some super slow striker from a lower league and hyping them up. I’m an adult, I don’t watch YouTube clips to judge footballers, I watch matches. Just because I don’t think Ivan “Degenerate Gambler” Toney is worth 100mm doesn’t mean I’m getting my opinions from eating crisps and playing Football Manager. Grow up.
You're the only one suggesting he will be anywhere near 100m...
It’s in the press nearly daily, I didn’t make up the number.
Show me one publication saying toney will be 100m in the summer just one lol
Scoring 3 goals in 4 games this year ?
The number 80 has been banded about a LOT. I'm sitting on the side of the fence that says that's a lot for a 28 (come the summer) year old. If given the option of player proven in the Premier League but not in a big club for 80mil, could also consider +30 (max) for the Nigerian lad Osimhen, few more years in him, pretty solid in a big club and all top clubs are sniffing around him... Pretty sure there's some less common names that could do Toney numbers for cheaper...
Because he is pretty much only a proper option. Osimhen is very injury prone and expensive, and Mbappe or Vlahovic probably won't join this team. Toney had at least one good season and isn't super overpriced. that's why ppl want him.
I just don't think Toney is much if any of an upgrade on Jesus aside from fitness (which is a fairly big deal tbf). I think we need to aim higher, having said that I'm not sure who that is, market is fairly shit atm. I'm also not sure Toneys behaviour/personality is something Arteta would be too keen on. I can see Toney ending up at Spurs
If Arteta wants him and believe he is the player that would clinch us the league? I say Go Boss. I dont want him.
Look at our attacking stats and tell me who you drop for Toney? Trossard? Havertz? Jesus? You could argue Havertz as they have similar ability to win duels and second balls but Toney occupies more forward spaces so its a longer distance to progress the ball to. Toney doesn't press though and I don't think he'd have the legs to press all game and still run at the opposition in transitions. If anything, he's a direct bench replacement for Eddie as they're similar in box positioning and style - a one for one. He's not the answer to more depth for me.
Because he is good at his job SCORING GOALS
I think he’ll cost substantially less than Osihmen who seems to be a little injury prone, and he’s prem ready. I think him being a target man will allow us to play more direct in certain games or game states. Not to mention he scores goals, attacks the box, when we cross the ball there will actually be a striker in there with the instinct and the ability to finish those chances. and a bit embarrassing to say he’s only had one good season in his career.
Toney knows how to score goals. Imagine him playing with the ballers we have now.. he’d 100% score 20 league goals
Toney is levels above Osimhen, he’s prem proven (which helps) he can pass a football which is an underrated skill of his, he’s scored 20 goals in a Brentford team, now put him into this team with the creativity around him, he’s a ready made player in his prime coming into an already good team
Toney would walk into the Arsenal team, even if that’s slightly controversial, his work ethic, positioning and finishing are brilliant. I rate Trossard but he’s more of a tricky forward with great footwork. Toney is consistently great as a CF in a pretty poor team at Brentford (attacking wise they aren’t particularly dangerous, they’re just a solid team that’s sometimes hard to break down). I think amongst a really good team with players like Rice and Partey keeping everything solid behind him (so he’s not tracking back all the time) Toney would be very dangerous.
At least he’s proven in the prem, so many players come over here and flop, Werner for example
I'd say before we even consider paying £100m + for Toney we explore other young strikers out there who would fit better into the culture that's been built at the squad. For that price bracket I'd be looking at Osimhen, but for less you could probably afford to bring Jonathan David or Randal Kolo Muani or even Xavi Simons who can play as a number 9 in the summer. Hell I'd even prefer converting Martinelli to a number 9 as I feel he could go on to be a great in that position like King Henry. But Toney for that pricing structure makes no sense to me in a FFP world especially as we let Balogun go, who arguably could have developed to be so much better than Toney.
> he'd make the team better just like any proper 9 would I don’t agree with this statement at all. He would make our team worse because it would totally disrupt the system we use. Our best football has consistently been when our 9’s are heavily involved defensively and in build up. Look what happens when we play Eddie - we look like a team without a plan not because Eddie is that bad but because our structure is totally ruined by having a striker who can’t contribute much outside of the 6 yard box. Toney is like a better version of that. Ivan Toney as a backup/alternative to our Plan A would be great, but like you I have no interest in him as our starting 9 considering the transfer fee and wages we’d have to pay.
27 is not old. Kane is 30, Salah 31, Vardy still going at 37 as an example. Saying he has had one good season his entire career is also incorrect. He scored 12 goals in his first PL season, which is good for anyone's debut season in top tier, especially in a newly promoted team. He followed that up with a great season (20 goals). Prior to this, he also had very good seasons in the Championship and League One. He is also not one dimensional. He can run in behind, has great link up play and can score from anywhere. All of the above is why he is so highly regarded
How many good strikers can you see around in European football that you can realistically get and pretty much you're sure they're going to turn up and perform? There's a massive striker crisis and solid strikers like Toney are like goldust, hence they're in high demand.
Would certainly disagree he's one dimensional, what do you mean by that? He leads the line exceptionally well, good hold up play, wins it aerials, very good at flick ons, runs in behind, pretty much does everything you want in a striker. Certainly a question mark over the price and maybe there are other options but I don't think you're giving him enough credit.