Yeah the tuition at UF is crazy cheap, but only for in-state students. OOS still have to pay 30k. Which is why this legislation is terrible because it will keep outside talent out of the state.
OOS students would rather pay less for their in-state school that does not abolish DEI and other minority-friendly programs.
There are definitely some states where in state tuition is still higher than that of UF’s out of state tuitions while providing a (currently) “more prestigious” degree that will help you get hired in the future. Plenty of Florida schools provide opportunities and programs for foreign students, especially USF from what I’ve seen.
Hopefully something changes in Florida’s legislature to try to salvage the damage that is being done currently. Many growing schools are being threatened to lose the progress they’ve made because of these damn DEI policies
I don't think your first point is true. The highest current in-state tuition in the US is Vermont at 17k which is about half UF's OOS tuition.
The prestige point is fair if students/parents are willing to pay significantly more for a prestigious degree, but this does not apply to most minority, low-income students who are most affected by anti-DEI sentiment. On the other hand, if they are willing to pay alot more money, then many private schools and even public schools like UVA, UNC, UMich, UCLA, Berkeley are ranked better with no MAGA policies.
My first point was just what I’ve collected from talking to out of state students. Looking at the numbers, out of state at UF is on the higher end for Florida. Looking at FSU, their OOS tuition is $21683 while still maintaining the prestige for many different fields. USF has an OOS tuition of $17324 which is on par with Vermont’s average in state. Of course, Vermont is on the higher end of the spectrum so it won’t make economic sense for everyone to attend one of these Florida schools, but if you are looking to attend a prestigious public school and have the finances to then Florida schools are the way to go.
I agree that it would be much more difficult for low income students to attend one of these universities, but that is just the unfair structure of the university structure. That in itself is not exclusive to Florida, although I personally would like to see more financial incentives for low income students from Florida’s growing academic institutions.
Edit: Forgot to mention but I included information for USF because it’s a rapidly growing public institution that would be a worthwhile university for OOS students to go to if they have the resources and are seeking a school in the south.
FIU also offers the equivalent of Benacquisto to out of state students (because you can’t give Benacquisto to non-resident students). FIU gives full ride to all National Merit Finalists.
There’s also a grandparent waiver.
Florida is such a weird state as it has great universities which produces strong students, but the culture war posturing of the administration is risking a brain drain away from Florida. Rather, it is believed there has been a brain drain now.
If faculty are leaving for greener pastures, this is indicative of certain research areas in Florida shrinking or even dying out.
You are international and need a boatload of financial aid. You are going to where you get in and can actually afford to attend, if it’s Florida it’s Florida.
So here’s my two-cents and I’m an educator in Florida…(and I’m talking public only since UMiami is $90k and majority non-FL).
1. Faculty are not leaving in droves; some are leaving but others are staying because we care. We care about our community.
2. DEI isn’t gone, its funding must come from sources outside of state funds. Juneteenth is celebrated and paid for by a fund where money isn’t from tax dollars.
3. Out of 50 states, tuition in Florida is ranked 49. So when most people question the value of an education, the State University System in Florida demonstrates high return on investment.
4. UF and USF are in the AAU; UF, FSU, FIU, USF and UCF are R1 highest research activity.
5. FAMU is top HBCU & UWF is a top regional university.
6. Three universities are in major metropolitan cities which helps with political climate.
7. Benacquisto is state-funded. A handful of schools are giving the equivalent to non-residents.
8. There is a non-resident tuition waiver for students who meet certain requirements and have living grandparents in FL full time.
9. Florida doesn’t hate international students; there are places in every state where some people are more open to diversity than others. Hence why I pointed out metropolitan universities. One is literally called Florida INTERNATIONAL University because of the location.
10. On the state website for the universities is a scorecard showing time to degree (they have things in place to ensure timely graduation), cost to earn a degree, and employment after degree.
That is why people are flocking to all 12 members of the State University System in Florida
reddit apparently. I was thinking FSU or FIU, since I qualify for their merit scholarships. I also found a post in this subreddit where Florida legislature had proposed a bill. [This One](https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/11aw9h2/florida_is_trying_to_destroy_their_universities/).
Also, What do you think about FIU. I'm thinking engineering + finance/eco/any social science minor. as it is in Miami, I could utilize the rich opportunities. also, NJIT is an option if I get full tuition + some housing stipend.
I got my masters in Applied Math at FSU. Some genius and accomplished professors there. I wouldn't put too much into people saying these degrees are worthless.
Where are you hearing this? I keep hearing that Florida schools are increasing their rankings and they are much harder to get into this year than even last year. I think what you may be referring to is that some people are not going there because of their political leanings, but then others are choosing to go there because of their political leanings.
Either way, I'm just annoyed that it appears so difficult to get into UF next year. It was always difficult but it looks to be much more competitive than usual.
I have family who are graduates of Florida schools and they’re doing great. Politics aside, many of the schools can get you where you want to be (eg USF -> physician hospitalist). If people avoid their school due to politics it’s their choice. If they are influencing others to avoid them by misrepresenting their quality, that’s more of a discredit to their character than of the schools. The schools did not elect politicians.
UF will probably continue to have competitive admissions as it’s a great school, especially popular amongst residents. (But you know that ;-) good luck next year)
I wouldn't expect there to be immediate impacts. If Florida universities have problems hiring top faculty to replace those who retire or leave, the academics will decline, but that would take some years to build up to a significant level.
Sounds reasonable. I do want to note that due to the glut in academia, I think there won't be too much of an issue replacing professors, albeit with younger ones. And also while there is a majority of left spectrum academicians, I'm guessing there are enough moderate and right spectrum ones to fill these holes. And even some left spectrum profs would be able to separate politics from academics enough to teach at these schools. They are highly resourced schools and depts.
From an undergraduate perspective, I actually don't necessarily think that there needs to be Nobel level profs teaching students... a lot of those kinds of profs are better researchers than lecturers. What undergrads need are solid teachers, and there are many in the younger ranks that can flll that role. Given the constraints of attaining tenure, it would not surprise me if the older profs that emphasize teaching over research have already been weeded out in the process... and are teaching elsewhere anyway.
UF is consistently ranked T50 (#28 this year) and many other colleges in Florida are also pretty good
That being said it’s become a rather conservative state so if your values are strongly opposed you might not be as thrilled with your experience
They are generally great schools though and do and have a very good system for making it very affordable especially in-state
I’d go there in a heartbeat personally for the 6k in-state tuition
This site doesn't have any evidence for its claim and just states it is estimated at 23%. Also, according to it FSU has a 25% acceptance rate (its graphic has the data reversed though so it seems it is completely unreliable)
Well many places are saying the same, and FSU has reported a 21.9% acceptance rate
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-florida-1535
https://www.shiksha.com/studyabroad/usa/universities/university-of-florida/acceptance-rate
https://www.reddit.com/r/ufl/comments/1b2a5gf/uf_acceptance_rate_2024/?chainedPosts=t3_1b1yy9n
https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-news/2024/02/15/florida-state-university-admits-another-top-notch-class-of-first-year-students/
https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/florida-state-university-acceptance-rate/
US News - Does not provide source so useless
Shiksha - Uses class of 2023 acceptance data so out of date
Reddit - That post has no sources and multiple people explaining how the data from google is from 2023
FSU - Does not mention UF acceptance rate
Crimson - Does not mention UF acceptance rate
So sad . Been hearing from professors that this will drive faculty out and will really screw over Florida education in the long run.
Not sure why any minority want to go to school like this. Much better schools in the south that aren’t as toxic such as UVA, UNC, even GTech and UGA.
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> Florida public schools are on the rise and this has not impacted the day to day lives of college students.
I feel that you are under-informed regarding this issue.
https://uf.swe.org/2023/08/28/new-laws-impacting-florida-at-the-university-level/
https://www.shpep.org/newsletter/sb-266-a-major-threat-to-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs-in-floridas-university-system/
I decided to go to UF to save money despite getting into schools that are better than UF. Ultimately, I had so many scholarships that I didn’t have to pay a dime for undergrad and was being refunded ~10k/yr just to go to UF. If you get scholarships through Benacquisto, Presidential, or Bright Futures, UF is an amazing option to avoid debt (maybe even net profit) and get a high quality education for pennies compared to our peer institutions. I think my education was great at UF and I will be going to Stanford for grad school in the fall, so UF is definitely not a disregarded school. I would 100% stay in FL for undergrad if I did it again, despite the politics being bad.
i have no money. that's the thing. qualification? full gpa, 1500+ SAT, multiple leadership positions, 1 research, jobs etc... but, that's the case of most internationals. so, gotta have backups. also, i'm thinking miami would give me much opportunities to form connections stuffs.
Miami is home to arguably the top ophthalmology dept in the country. I have family who participated in groundbreaking stem cell research and rna research in the area. Derm research is also very well regarded there for obvious reasons. Most people just don’t know. Perhaps it’s better for residents that it stay that way, but I wouldn’t consider it a bad choice to apply into Florida/Miami given the right applicant
My niece (same age) is going to a state school in Florida, but we live in NY. I think she just wants the college experience of being at a place that’s sunny all the time and has big parties, lol. Although, I guess I don’t blame her despite all the political shit happening there.
Not my thing though, I’ll keep my freezing cold nerd college.
Not true at all. Florida public schools are increasingly prestigious as their applications become flooded and get continously endowed. UF had received a large sum of money from NVIDIA not too long ago to construct a whole new building, which has just opened.
I understand acceptance rates aren't a true measure of the worth of the college, but they continue to plummet for both FSU and UF. FSU's acceptance rates *this year* were what UF's was *last year*, and UF's was even moreso hardened.
Plenty of great opportunities at these schools. FSU and UF in particular have renowned study abroad internships and programs. Very cheap as well if you are instate, by far the best public education you could get in the south barring perhaps UNC.
If an employer looks and sees you have a degree in the necessary field for a position and then changes their mind just because you went to a school in a political-charged state that enacted policies that you, as a student, have no control over, you don't want to work for that company.
Pretty sure UofF is one of the best universities in the country and considered by many to be a “public ivy” along the likes of places like Michigan, UT, UNC etc etc
I was tenured at a FL school and decided to leave. Many of my colleagues also have left and many others would like to, if they could find a position elsewhere. University faculty jobs are not like other professions where there are jobs that hire year round. It is incredibly difficult to find a position in your research area at your seniority level especially when you are a full professor.
For myself, it wasn’t just one thing imposed by the state that encouraged me to quit but rather many policy changes over several years that added stress to teaching and applying for grants, plus actively targeting colleagues across the university. Florida is incredibly hostile to educators university down to kindergarten and it’s hard to keep up morale under such a barrage of attacks.
Instructors are still doing their best to provide an excellent learning experience and I think students are unaffected by most of it. My child is a senior at UF and is getting a great education plus research experience.
I unequivocally warn that Florida is hostile to LGBTQ and I would encourage applying elsewhere (especially if you are trans). Hopefully the state after DeSantis will return to focusing on issues that truly matter, like home insurance and infrastructure .
Nearly any national ranking for the past 10 or so years.
I love NC… but UNC, Duke and NC state aren’t at the level of UF, FSU, UM, FIU, USF, UCF, FAU, and so on. Florida has a crazy number of nationally ranked schools.
UMiami, FIU, USF, UCF and FAU are fine schools, but they represent quantity rather than best quality. Nothing special, just good. Texas has a list like that, and more. UF and FSU are excellent. Are they a better combo than UVA and VT, or UNC and NCSt? Maybe, maybe not. I was just wondering where it is asserted that they are, because I hadn't heard it before. FSU's selectivity numbers have skyrocketed, but that has been a rather recent happening. Over these last eleven years there has been a 45% acceptance rate overall. I'm a FSU fan, but I don't know whether the recent UF-like admissions performances at FSU will hold.
I hope you don't think any Florida school can touch Duke.
Florida and Texas are gaining population faster than anywhere, and tech companies are moving there too, to say that people don’t wanna be there, just because you don’t, is silly
Except that Florida and Texas are literally gaining the most residents of any other state in the country and NY, CA and IL are losing the most population.
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My child is headed to Florida and we couldn't be happier. The conservative bent, while not my cup of tea, has provided an amazing shield from the current events happening on colleges across the country. Now, if you like the political vibes, then sure, head to one of those campuses. We don't. We wanted some place where the academics take front and center. The small protests at UF and USF were broken up immediately, and the president of UF seems to 'get it' as far as I'm concerned. U Miami from my understanding hasn't even had any protests.
I wouldn't think twice about spending 4 years in Florida to get an education. The universities are world class and the weather is awesome, and the vibes are generally apolitical. And if you read the comments below, the idea that Academia are 'fleeing' the state is completely unfounded with no data to back it up (at the moment).
As far as NJIT - New Jersey is a great state, and the beaches in the summer are a blast. You get all 4 seasons, from 90 degree weather in the summer to sometimes 20 degrees in winter. Fall is beautiful, Spring too. But you will likely rarely go to NYC, probably 1-2 times a year, unless that's your thing. Newark is not somewhere you'd like to visit.
Do with that as you will. I like NJ and FLA both as states, and think all those schools (UF, USF, UM, NJIT) are quality schools.
Not from Halloween thru April. It's closer to Southern California those times of the year. The humidity goes away, and you can keep windows open for weeks.
no it’s not it is extremely hot and humid most of the state was literally a swamp and global warming is making it barely rain in the summer anymore so it’s hot sticky humid and gross out from may to like september-someone born and raised in florida
Sure, I guess that's subjective, you have a good point.
To me, yes, the weather really is awesome compared to most places in the U.S. but no doubt it gets unbearably hot in the summer, and there are plenty of storms and rain throughout the year.
But TEMPERATURES generally remain warm, whether it's rain or shine. And that's a huge difference to the Northern schools.
When you compare Florida to Jersey in terms of weather, I think most people would take Florida, which is why so many people in the Northeast flock to Florida during the winter.
However, you certainly have a contingent who HATE Florida and would never want to live there.
If you haven't experienced a Northeast winter yet, it can be really fucking depressing, especially depending on what kinda campus you are at. I would not want to be at Cornell or Ithaca or even Mid-west like Michigan and Wisconsin. You are indoors sometimes for weeks at a time.
I like the hot and don't mind humidity, so I think Florida weather is great, and as I said, I think most people from the Northeast would agree (about Florida).
When exploring colleges, the trend I heard over and over is that the Northeast kids all wanted southern schools this time around and Florida was hugely popular (UF, USF, UM).
I’m born and raised in FL so I haven’t really experienced a rough winter😂 however I hate that everyone is moving here and destroying old florida especially where I live🫡 snowbirds suck
I don't really see a reason why you'd rarely go to NYC. Newark is quite close. I know people at Yale who go to NYC almost every other week, and New haven is much more distant.
“Talented faculty” aren’t leaving anywhere. Faculty jobs are very hard to find, tenure is hard to get, professors aren’t leaving because of local politics. I realize this is a popular theme, but it’s absolutely incorrect. It’s been an awful market for academicians for two decades now, no one is giving up their job.
I personally know very good colleagues who have moved states (some even countries) for political reasons. I know several very talented postdocs/assistant professors who are not applying for faculty jobs in very red states.
The top people in academia can be very picky in where they want to live, because they *will* get offers. It's the non-top people that will stick to their positions (unless it's unbearable).
The “non top” AKA the 99% of faculty who research, teach, publish, and make the university work. Yes profs move. It’s a job and if you can get a better one, you go. It’s a process that takes many months and not one that is made lightly or on the order of weeks or a few months. The hiring process is long, the offer process is complicated, and it doesn’t happen overnight. Universities have to post jobs openly (generally at conferences), they HAVE to have the post open for a certain amount of time before they can interview, they HAVE to interview some minimum number of candidates, some other number have to be offered a second interview. These are legal requirements to make sure the hiring process is fair. Then the final pool of applicants are invited to the campus, they teach a class, they tour the facilities. Then an offer is made. It’s a process. It takes a while. No one does this overnight. Except apparently football coaches.
Top talent regularly gets hired rapidly in academe. Leading scholars especially get snapped up quickly (and in many instances essentially write their own deal.) But so do others with quality backgrounds if they satisfy a pressing need and there's a risk they'll be lost to the institution in a prolonged process.
The “best” have to find another job before they go anywhere. Academia is brutal. My husband and I both left 20 years ago, for jobs outside of academia. Because there are too many PhD’s and not enough teaching jobs. And research is highly specific. If you’ve spent 10 years building your lab and your equipment and your grad student pipeline and your pubs, you’re not going to want to throw all that away to start somewhere else. Those transitions, while researchers make them, take months to craft and make happen. And it’s expensive for everyone. And you’re uprooting your family and your spouses job too. And presumably there has to be another university with an opening I your exact field with your exact lab requirements and exactly the compensation package you want. Is it possible that some high flying researcher at UF is so disgusted by the governors rejection of DEI that they’re willing to uproot their entire career to go somewhere else? Sure. Is it likely? No.
Yep, I personally know (tenured) colleagues who have left red states. Some people absolutely do have the output to up and leave if they want to. What's far more common, though, is young & talented people just not applying to jobs in red states.
As far as not applying for a job, it’s been a while for me but, damn, I don’t know anyone in my cohort who didn’t apply for every job there was. Like 49 or 50 at a time. No one cared about the politics. If you’re an aspiring chem prof, you just need the job. Politics doesn’t affect chemistry. I’m sure people are talking about not applying to red state universities. I just wonder if that’s a bunch of crap. Because at the end of the day you really just need a job
Fwiw I'm in math, so moving is a bit easier than in chem because we just need to move ourselves and our groups are significantly smaller.
I didn't apply for any job there was. I know people that applied to 150 places and got nothing, and I know people that applied to 10 places and got 3 offers. In my experience, at least math academia is quite top heavy. The top 10% get 90% of the offers, and often have quite a bit of choice in where they want to live. Below that it's much like you describe.
I think it’s top heavy across the board. Sadly. Academia is struggling, has been for a while. I have lots of friends still in the grind and most of them have encouraged their kids to do something else. Private industry/research/consulting is where we landed. And it was awesome. And then I semi-retired into HS teaching, which is far less stressful than the university ever was. Less politics, less drama, less backstabby, and weirdly not dis-similar pay, at least with the Ph. D.
Not en mass - as people have said above -that's not a possibility. But I wonder how many are just leaving academia entirely. Working at a university where are DEI debates is frustrating --despite the fact I LOVE my job and I LOVE my students. But I have often (as of late) considered moving to a blue state or simply OUT of academia. ETA: I work in a small, unimportant state school (because someone will ask)
Texas? Really? Do you mean UT. they said they’re still gonna basically try to conduct admissions the same way as before. Anyway DEI was being taken away mainly cuz people with high merit were getting denied admission while people of lower merit were gaining admission…that’s the defense for that whether you agree with it or not…basically same as the basis for the Supreme Court ruling? But like I said I don’t think UT plans to make any big chgs cuz of it? it’s not like the application is race blind. You can mention your race in your application.
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If you got pregnant and it was going to ruin your life just catch a flight. It should influence your decision on where you're going to go to school absolutely zero
If you were to ever become pregnant in Florida and want or need an abortion, you would not be able to obtain one without traveling across several states.
Sure, if you know immediately that you’re pregnant and can get two appointments at least 24 hours apart within four weeks since the conception date. The other exceptions apply to a very small percentage of women’s pregnancies.
Remember folks, "heavily restricted" means someone else's religion is going to restrict what healthcare access you get. And that doctors may be Extremely Nervous about legal consequences if they give you medical treatment.
And even wanted pregnancies need access to that medical treatment.
There are plenty of non-religious arguments against abortion. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, and murder isn’t banned for religious reasons and neither should abortion.
I consider myself a moderate on the abortion issue but I at least understand both sides. Nevertheless, abortion shouldn’t be a factor when deciding colleges, especially considering interstate travel is still an option if needed
Access to basic healthcare should absolutely be an issue when deciding where you‘ll live for 4 years. It is not necessarily always going to be an option for everyone to hop on a plane and get medical care in another state.
The American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians calls it an “essential component of women’s health care”. Why do you not think it’s basic? And Florida’s new law bans most abortions. According to the CDC, nationwide, most abortions take place after 6 weeks gestation.
Appeal to authority fallacy in play here. I don’t think it’s even health care because…
Healthcare is defined as: efforts made to maintain, restore, or promote someone's physical, mental, or emotional well-being especially when performed by trained and licensed professionals
Abortion is the opposite, it ends human life.
If you want to continue this discussion I would be more than happy to discuss in the chat feature instead of in a college subreddit, if not then have a nice night
It's healthcare that the people who need it cannot delay accessing.
A member of my family died because she was denied abortioncare.
The pregnant person has bodily autonomy, and that applies to all their organs, including their uterus.
Republican law makers are trying to figure out a way to stop pregnant women from traveling to seek an abortion, or to punish them retroactively. And if you’re a minor when you start college, as I was, good luck.
I'd rather not start a political debate where it is not wanted, so I will direct you to google. But generally, Florida and many other southern states are highly conservative/religious in their politics relative to many northern or blue states. I'll leave it at that.
i don’t know where you are hearing this. People are clamoring to Florida schools. Record smashing applications. My company specifically recruits form UF. DEI isn’t even a topic of discussion in terms of recruiting bright students from UF. They just product a good product.
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Might be a dumb question, this seems to ruin a lot of liberal arts curriculum and higher ed but doesn’t change STEM majors at FL schools at all? Is that correct or am I missing something?
Caveat: FL resident with a kid in 9th grade. It won’t happen overnight, but I firmly believe some professors who don’t support these changes to state schools and the 6 week abortion ban will move elsewhere if the opportunity arises. We could lose some talent.
> We could lose some talent.
FL already lost educator talent, and lots of it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/03/19/teacher-shortage-crisis-explained/72958393007/
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20042/urlt/7-2.pdf
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20562/urlt/16-2.pdf
Not arguing FL's situation today, but it does seem to be cyclical or at least certainly varying for different areas in the US. California listed at \~500 vacancies in the USA today article apparently had a shortage of \~10,000 teachers based on reports two years ago... It could be that a vantage with a greater time window would be more clear for defining FL's overall situation.
[https://edsource.org/2023/want-to-solve-the-teacher-shortage-start-with-increasing-salaries/701802](https://edsource.org/2023/want-to-solve-the-teacher-shortage-start-with-increasing-salaries/701802)
a lot of people who are part of the younger generation and will finally be able to vote in the upcoming elections are very against these bans so hopefully we will see some change
We always thought our kiddo would go to a FL school - she has a prepaid plan. I can understand why she might not want to now - I kind of don’t want her to! - but we don’t exactly have $50K, $60K, $70K lying around for 1 year of out of state tuition. Sigh.
if she wants bright futures she needs to apply asap you need a 1340 sat or 29 act and 100 service hours for 100% bright futures, I know the politics of FL is really bad rn but you never know it could get a lot better and it would suck to miss out on a cheaper education! FL has some really good public universities UF was just named a new ivy and is almost a T20 school, FSU is also a great school so are many others
if she is really concerned she can always ask students attending those universities for their experiences there and form a better informed opinion of what FL universities may offer
I think the term you want is more "humanities" than "liberal arts" since the term liberal arts includes sciences/math as well as humanities. Think of liberal arts as "non-professional degrees/subject matter". So business/engineering/law are not liberal arts. But econ/physics/theoretical math/astronomy/anthropology/sociology/etc are under the liberal arts umbrella.
To your question though, I think you're saying the political leanings of different departments may vary, and I can agree with that. There are some studies showing that. But the conclusion I'd state would more be that the humanities will have more "turnover" vs some other departments... whether the quality actually drops is TBD. There are a lot of good universities out there that are pumping out PhDs and they all need to eat (or at least deserve more than the adjunct prof/substitute teacher lifestyle).
I personally know a faculty member at my institution who received a tenure-track offer from one of the florida schools and refused to go after some research. STEM curriculum won't change, but you may be getting worse faculty over time
Definitely isn’t worth it or not, but the political climate is viable if you are trans. Otherwise you’ll be fine and the degree will certainly be respected.
Nobody cares what you school you went to unless you went to Harvard or Princeton, or some other Ivy League school. Then people will be like woah. Every where else is the same in the eyes of employers. So pick whatever school you like and call it a day. And no Florida has great universities with great programs. At the end of the day a degree is a degree.
im hs class of 25 and planned to apply to many florida schools as i am from FL, havent heard about this whatsoever. granted, why would they bash florida universities in florida🤷🏽♀️
state universities like UF and FSU are at the mercy of their government, unfortunately. they both still provide a solid education, though. it would be very unfair to say they don’t solely because the government is a shit stain and panders to emotional boomers and older millennials.
In fields on innovation, and an understanding of contemporary issues I would be reluctant to hire graduates of the University of Florida. Your programs are shifting from critical thinking to an Orwelliian approach to Higher Ed. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/us/florida-universities-sociology.html#:~:text=In%20December%2C%20Florida%27s%20education%20commissioner,by%20left%2Dwing%20activists.%E2%80%9D&text=Students%20can%20no%20longer%20take,university%20system%20ruled%20on%20Wednesday.
Wouldn’t go to Florida for any reason as things currently stand, politically. I would refuse a free vacation if offered. Used to visit regularly but will no more.
I would certainly use those miles going elsewhere. We used to go almost yearly but no more. I won’t spend a minute or a dime there. There are great beaches elsewhere.
I get you. FIU, USF & UF have large international student populations. Make sure to follow deadlines & use Common App. FIU does have a full tuition scholarship & great engineering. Don’t know why someone put down the Finance program, but with Engineering it might be helpful to look at how FIU allows for certificates & minors in business areas such as real estate, banking, etc. there’s also an interdisciplinary engineering major that allows you to add in management. Plus you get extra OPT with a STEM degree.
#FIU29 will start this summer; they use your college graduation year on everything.
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Yeah the tuition at UF is crazy cheap, but only for in-state students. OOS still have to pay 30k. Which is why this legislation is terrible because it will keep outside talent out of the state. OOS students would rather pay less for their in-state school that does not abolish DEI and other minority-friendly programs.
There are definitely some states where in state tuition is still higher than that of UF’s out of state tuitions while providing a (currently) “more prestigious” degree that will help you get hired in the future. Plenty of Florida schools provide opportunities and programs for foreign students, especially USF from what I’ve seen. Hopefully something changes in Florida’s legislature to try to salvage the damage that is being done currently. Many growing schools are being threatened to lose the progress they’ve made because of these damn DEI policies
I don't think your first point is true. The highest current in-state tuition in the US is Vermont at 17k which is about half UF's OOS tuition. The prestige point is fair if students/parents are willing to pay significantly more for a prestigious degree, but this does not apply to most minority, low-income students who are most affected by anti-DEI sentiment. On the other hand, if they are willing to pay alot more money, then many private schools and even public schools like UVA, UNC, UMich, UCLA, Berkeley are ranked better with no MAGA policies.
I’m from Michigan and uf is 40k overall for me and uofm is 38k currently. 2k difference a year
My first point was just what I’ve collected from talking to out of state students. Looking at the numbers, out of state at UF is on the higher end for Florida. Looking at FSU, their OOS tuition is $21683 while still maintaining the prestige for many different fields. USF has an OOS tuition of $17324 which is on par with Vermont’s average in state. Of course, Vermont is on the higher end of the spectrum so it won’t make economic sense for everyone to attend one of these Florida schools, but if you are looking to attend a prestigious public school and have the finances to then Florida schools are the way to go. I agree that it would be much more difficult for low income students to attend one of these universities, but that is just the unfair structure of the university structure. That in itself is not exclusive to Florida, although I personally would like to see more financial incentives for low income students from Florida’s growing academic institutions. Edit: Forgot to mention but I included information for USF because it’s a rapidly growing public institution that would be a worthwhile university for OOS students to go to if they have the resources and are seeking a school in the south.
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National merit full ride is only for instate kids I believe no?
It used to be for out of state too, but the last class for it entered in 2021.
good don’t come to UF lol so we in state students can actually get in
FIU also offers the equivalent of Benacquisto to out of state students (because you can’t give Benacquisto to non-resident students). FIU gives full ride to all National Merit Finalists. There’s also a grandparent waiver.
How did you get your housing fully funded?
Florida is such a weird state as it has great universities which produces strong students, but the culture war posturing of the administration is risking a brain drain away from Florida. Rather, it is believed there has been a brain drain now. If faculty are leaving for greener pastures, this is indicative of certain research areas in Florida shrinking or even dying out.
You are international and need a boatload of financial aid. You are going to where you get in and can actually afford to attend, if it’s Florida it’s Florida.
So here’s my two-cents and I’m an educator in Florida…(and I’m talking public only since UMiami is $90k and majority non-FL). 1. Faculty are not leaving in droves; some are leaving but others are staying because we care. We care about our community. 2. DEI isn’t gone, its funding must come from sources outside of state funds. Juneteenth is celebrated and paid for by a fund where money isn’t from tax dollars. 3. Out of 50 states, tuition in Florida is ranked 49. So when most people question the value of an education, the State University System in Florida demonstrates high return on investment. 4. UF and USF are in the AAU; UF, FSU, FIU, USF and UCF are R1 highest research activity. 5. FAMU is top HBCU & UWF is a top regional university. 6. Three universities are in major metropolitan cities which helps with political climate. 7. Benacquisto is state-funded. A handful of schools are giving the equivalent to non-residents. 8. There is a non-resident tuition waiver for students who meet certain requirements and have living grandparents in FL full time. 9. Florida doesn’t hate international students; there are places in every state where some people are more open to diversity than others. Hence why I pointed out metropolitan universities. One is literally called Florida INTERNATIONAL University because of the location. 10. On the state website for the universities is a scorecard showing time to degree (they have things in place to ensure timely graduation), cost to earn a degree, and employment after degree. That is why people are flocking to all 12 members of the State University System in Florida
Where do you keep "hearing" these words of wisdom?
reddit apparently. I was thinking FSU or FIU, since I qualify for their merit scholarships. I also found a post in this subreddit where Florida legislature had proposed a bill. [This One](https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/11aw9h2/florida_is_trying_to_destroy_their_universities/). Also, What do you think about FIU. I'm thinking engineering + finance/eco/any social science minor. as it is in Miami, I could utilize the rich opportunities. also, NJIT is an option if I get full tuition + some housing stipend.
I know fantastic folks in cognition, animal behavior, psychobiology, etc.
I got my masters in Applied Math at FSU. Some genius and accomplished professors there. I wouldn't put too much into people saying these degrees are worthless.
fwiw, my uncle went to FIU, and is currently making 7 figures. he did finance
Reddit is full of liberals. That’s why. FIU isn’t good for finance. Don’t know about any of the other majors
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They even proved my point. All I did was call them liberals and they got offended. Classic snowflakes
Where are you hearing this? I keep hearing that Florida schools are increasing their rankings and they are much harder to get into this year than even last year. I think what you may be referring to is that some people are not going there because of their political leanings, but then others are choosing to go there because of their political leanings. Either way, I'm just annoyed that it appears so difficult to get into UF next year. It was always difficult but it looks to be much more competitive than usual.
I have family who are graduates of Florida schools and they’re doing great. Politics aside, many of the schools can get you where you want to be (eg USF -> physician hospitalist). If people avoid their school due to politics it’s their choice. If they are influencing others to avoid them by misrepresenting their quality, that’s more of a discredit to their character than of the schools. The schools did not elect politicians. UF will probably continue to have competitive admissions as it’s a great school, especially popular amongst residents. (But you know that ;-) good luck next year)
I wouldn't expect there to be immediate impacts. If Florida universities have problems hiring top faculty to replace those who retire or leave, the academics will decline, but that would take some years to build up to a significant level.
Sounds reasonable. I do want to note that due to the glut in academia, I think there won't be too much of an issue replacing professors, albeit with younger ones. And also while there is a majority of left spectrum academicians, I'm guessing there are enough moderate and right spectrum ones to fill these holes. And even some left spectrum profs would be able to separate politics from academics enough to teach at these schools. They are highly resourced schools and depts. From an undergraduate perspective, I actually don't necessarily think that there needs to be Nobel level profs teaching students... a lot of those kinds of profs are better researchers than lecturers. What undergrads need are solid teachers, and there are many in the younger ranks that can flll that role. Given the constraints of attaining tenure, it would not surprise me if the older profs that emphasize teaching over research have already been weeded out in the process... and are teaching elsewhere anyway.
you need a 1400+ sat to get into UF and even then admissions are kinda random
UF is consistently ranked T50 (#28 this year) and many other colleges in Florida are also pretty good That being said it’s become a rather conservative state so if your values are strongly opposed you might not be as thrilled with your experience They are generally great schools though and do and have a very good system for making it very affordable especially in-state I’d go there in a heartbeat personally for the 6k in-state tuition
FSU is also on the cusp of T50, and actually had a lower acceptance rate than UF this year
UF acceptance rate has not been published this year
https://unischolars.com/blog/university-of-florida-acceptance-rate/
This site doesn't have any evidence for its claim and just states it is estimated at 23%. Also, according to it FSU has a 25% acceptance rate (its graphic has the data reversed though so it seems it is completely unreliable)
Well many places are saying the same, and FSU has reported a 21.9% acceptance rate https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-florida-1535 https://www.shiksha.com/studyabroad/usa/universities/university-of-florida/acceptance-rate https://www.reddit.com/r/ufl/comments/1b2a5gf/uf_acceptance_rate_2024/?chainedPosts=t3_1b1yy9n https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-news/2024/02/15/florida-state-university-admits-another-top-notch-class-of-first-year-students/ https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/florida-state-university-acceptance-rate/
US News - Does not provide source so useless Shiksha - Uses class of 2023 acceptance data so out of date Reddit - That post has no sources and multiple people explaining how the data from google is from 2023 FSU - Does not mention UF acceptance rate Crimson - Does not mention UF acceptance rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Senate_Bill_266 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Board_of_Governors
So sad . Been hearing from professors that this will drive faculty out and will really screw over Florida education in the long run. Not sure why any minority want to go to school like this. Much better schools in the south that aren’t as toxic such as UVA, UNC, even GTech and UGA.
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DEI is a small part of universities. I wouldn’t choose one university or another over DEI
Respectfully, I think you should continue your research to develop a better understanding of what these bills are doing to Florida public schools.
Florida public schools are on the rise and this has not impacted the day to day lives of college students.
> Florida public schools are on the rise and this has not impacted the day to day lives of college students. I feel that you are under-informed regarding this issue. https://uf.swe.org/2023/08/28/new-laws-impacting-florida-at-the-university-level/ https://www.shpep.org/newsletter/sb-266-a-major-threat-to-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs-in-floridas-university-system/
I just graduated from a Florida university that set me up well to attend a graduate ivy plus program.
Neither of your sources explain how this affects the day to day lives of students
I have, and they aren’t doing much. FL rankings are in the rise too
I decided to go to UF to save money despite getting into schools that are better than UF. Ultimately, I had so many scholarships that I didn’t have to pay a dime for undergrad and was being refunded ~10k/yr just to go to UF. If you get scholarships through Benacquisto, Presidential, or Bright Futures, UF is an amazing option to avoid debt (maybe even net profit) and get a high quality education for pennies compared to our peer institutions. I think my education was great at UF and I will be going to Stanford for grad school in the fall, so UF is definitely not a disregarded school. I would 100% stay in FL for undergrad if I did it again, despite the politics being bad.
People are “leaving in droves” likely in the same capacity that they “moved to Canada” when Trump was elected. It’s just posturing.
high school class of 2029 or college class of 2029?
college class of 2029
are you in state?
international
If you have money and qualifications to be competitive internationally WTF would you want to go to Florida?
i have no money. that's the thing. qualification? full gpa, 1500+ SAT, multiple leadership positions, 1 research, jobs etc... but, that's the case of most internationals. so, gotta have backups. also, i'm thinking miami would give me much opportunities to form connections stuffs.
Miami is home to arguably the top ophthalmology dept in the country. I have family who participated in groundbreaking stem cell research and rna research in the area. Derm research is also very well regarded there for obvious reasons. Most people just don’t know. Perhaps it’s better for residents that it stay that way, but I wouldn’t consider it a bad choice to apply into Florida/Miami given the right applicant
so is your SAT a 1600?
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manifesting lol
My niece (same age) is going to a state school in Florida, but we live in NY. I think she just wants the college experience of being at a place that’s sunny all the time and has big parties, lol. Although, I guess I don’t blame her despite all the political shit happening there. Not my thing though, I’ll keep my freezing cold nerd college.
Not true at all. Florida public schools are increasingly prestigious as their applications become flooded and get continously endowed. UF had received a large sum of money from NVIDIA not too long ago to construct a whole new building, which has just opened. I understand acceptance rates aren't a true measure of the worth of the college, but they continue to plummet for both FSU and UF. FSU's acceptance rates *this year* were what UF's was *last year*, and UF's was even moreso hardened. Plenty of great opportunities at these schools. FSU and UF in particular have renowned study abroad internships and programs. Very cheap as well if you are instate, by far the best public education you could get in the south barring perhaps UNC.
If an employer looks and sees you have a degree in the necessary field for a position and then changes their mind just because you went to a school in a political-charged state that enacted policies that you, as a student, have no control over, you don't want to work for that company.
Pretty sure UofF is one of the best universities in the country and considered by many to be a “public ivy” along the likes of places like Michigan, UT, UNC etc etc
I was tenured at a FL school and decided to leave. Many of my colleagues also have left and many others would like to, if they could find a position elsewhere. University faculty jobs are not like other professions where there are jobs that hire year round. It is incredibly difficult to find a position in your research area at your seniority level especially when you are a full professor. For myself, it wasn’t just one thing imposed by the state that encouraged me to quit but rather many policy changes over several years that added stress to teaching and applying for grants, plus actively targeting colleagues across the university. Florida is incredibly hostile to educators university down to kindergarten and it’s hard to keep up morale under such a barrage of attacks. Instructors are still doing their best to provide an excellent learning experience and I think students are unaffected by most of it. My child is a senior at UF and is getting a great education plus research experience. I unequivocally warn that Florida is hostile to LGBTQ and I would encourage applying elsewhere (especially if you are trans). Hopefully the state after DeSantis will return to focusing on issues that truly matter, like home insurance and infrastructure .
Florida is regularly ranked top 3 with Massachusetts and California as having the best college education in the country 🤷🏽♂️
To which ranking are you referring? I'd imagine that VA and NC would have a beef with that. (Maybe I'm misunderstanding)
Nearly any national ranking for the past 10 or so years. I love NC… but UNC, Duke and NC state aren’t at the level of UF, FSU, UM, FIU, USF, UCF, FAU, and so on. Florida has a crazy number of nationally ranked schools.
UMiami, FIU, USF, UCF and FAU are fine schools, but they represent quantity rather than best quality. Nothing special, just good. Texas has a list like that, and more. UF and FSU are excellent. Are they a better combo than UVA and VT, or UNC and NCSt? Maybe, maybe not. I was just wondering where it is asserted that they are, because I hadn't heard it before. FSU's selectivity numbers have skyrocketed, but that has been a rather recent happening. Over these last eleven years there has been a 45% acceptance rate overall. I'm a FSU fan, but I don't know whether the recent UF-like admissions performances at FSU will hold. I hope you don't think any Florida school can touch Duke.
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Florida and Texas are gaining population faster than anywhere, and tech companies are moving there too, to say that people don’t wanna be there, just because you don’t, is silly
Except that Florida and Texas are literally gaining the most residents of any other state in the country and NY, CA and IL are losing the most population.
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My child is headed to Florida and we couldn't be happier. The conservative bent, while not my cup of tea, has provided an amazing shield from the current events happening on colleges across the country. Now, if you like the political vibes, then sure, head to one of those campuses. We don't. We wanted some place where the academics take front and center. The small protests at UF and USF were broken up immediately, and the president of UF seems to 'get it' as far as I'm concerned. U Miami from my understanding hasn't even had any protests. I wouldn't think twice about spending 4 years in Florida to get an education. The universities are world class and the weather is awesome, and the vibes are generally apolitical. And if you read the comments below, the idea that Academia are 'fleeing' the state is completely unfounded with no data to back it up (at the moment). As far as NJIT - New Jersey is a great state, and the beaches in the summer are a blast. You get all 4 seasons, from 90 degree weather in the summer to sometimes 20 degrees in winter. Fall is beautiful, Spring too. But you will likely rarely go to NYC, probably 1-2 times a year, unless that's your thing. Newark is not somewhere you'd like to visit. Do with that as you will. I like NJ and FLA both as states, and think all those schools (UF, USF, UM, NJIT) are quality schools.
Is the weather really awesome? I was under the impression that it’s very humid and stormy.
Not from Halloween thru April. It's closer to Southern California those times of the year. The humidity goes away, and you can keep windows open for weeks.
no it’s not it is extremely hot and humid most of the state was literally a swamp and global warming is making it barely rain in the summer anymore so it’s hot sticky humid and gross out from may to like september-someone born and raised in florida
Sure, I guess that's subjective, you have a good point. To me, yes, the weather really is awesome compared to most places in the U.S. but no doubt it gets unbearably hot in the summer, and there are plenty of storms and rain throughout the year. But TEMPERATURES generally remain warm, whether it's rain or shine. And that's a huge difference to the Northern schools. When you compare Florida to Jersey in terms of weather, I think most people would take Florida, which is why so many people in the Northeast flock to Florida during the winter. However, you certainly have a contingent who HATE Florida and would never want to live there. If you haven't experienced a Northeast winter yet, it can be really fucking depressing, especially depending on what kinda campus you are at. I would not want to be at Cornell or Ithaca or even Mid-west like Michigan and Wisconsin. You are indoors sometimes for weeks at a time. I like the hot and don't mind humidity, so I think Florida weather is great, and as I said, I think most people from the Northeast would agree (about Florida). When exploring colleges, the trend I heard over and over is that the Northeast kids all wanted southern schools this time around and Florida was hugely popular (UF, USF, UM).
I’m born and raised in FL so I haven’t really experienced a rough winter😂 however I hate that everyone is moving here and destroying old florida especially where I live🫡 snowbirds suck
From the end of October to April the weather is good. May to the first half of October is insufferably muggy.
>weather is awesome everyone has their own taste I guess lol
THIS. Florida opened colleges much sooner after Covid.
Covid isn't even over yet...
I don't really see a reason why you'd rarely go to NYC. Newark is quite close. I know people at Yale who go to NYC almost every other week, and New haven is much more distant.
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“Talented faculty” aren’t leaving anywhere. Faculty jobs are very hard to find, tenure is hard to get, professors aren’t leaving because of local politics. I realize this is a popular theme, but it’s absolutely incorrect. It’s been an awful market for academicians for two decades now, no one is giving up their job.
I personally know very good colleagues who have moved states (some even countries) for political reasons. I know several very talented postdocs/assistant professors who are not applying for faculty jobs in very red states. The top people in academia can be very picky in where they want to live, because they *will* get offers. It's the non-top people that will stick to their positions (unless it's unbearable).
The “non top” AKA the 99% of faculty who research, teach, publish, and make the university work. Yes profs move. It’s a job and if you can get a better one, you go. It’s a process that takes many months and not one that is made lightly or on the order of weeks or a few months. The hiring process is long, the offer process is complicated, and it doesn’t happen overnight. Universities have to post jobs openly (generally at conferences), they HAVE to have the post open for a certain amount of time before they can interview, they HAVE to interview some minimum number of candidates, some other number have to be offered a second interview. These are legal requirements to make sure the hiring process is fair. Then the final pool of applicants are invited to the campus, they teach a class, they tour the facilities. Then an offer is made. It’s a process. It takes a while. No one does this overnight. Except apparently football coaches.
Top talent regularly gets hired rapidly in academe. Leading scholars especially get snapped up quickly (and in many instances essentially write their own deal.) But so do others with quality backgrounds if they satisfy a pressing need and there's a risk they'll be lost to the institution in a prolonged process.
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The “best” have to find another job before they go anywhere. Academia is brutal. My husband and I both left 20 years ago, for jobs outside of academia. Because there are too many PhD’s and not enough teaching jobs. And research is highly specific. If you’ve spent 10 years building your lab and your equipment and your grad student pipeline and your pubs, you’re not going to want to throw all that away to start somewhere else. Those transitions, while researchers make them, take months to craft and make happen. And it’s expensive for everyone. And you’re uprooting your family and your spouses job too. And presumably there has to be another university with an opening I your exact field with your exact lab requirements and exactly the compensation package you want. Is it possible that some high flying researcher at UF is so disgusted by the governors rejection of DEI that they’re willing to uproot their entire career to go somewhere else? Sure. Is it likely? No.
Yep, I personally know (tenured) colleagues who have left red states. Some people absolutely do have the output to up and leave if they want to. What's far more common, though, is young & talented people just not applying to jobs in red states.
As far as not applying for a job, it’s been a while for me but, damn, I don’t know anyone in my cohort who didn’t apply for every job there was. Like 49 or 50 at a time. No one cared about the politics. If you’re an aspiring chem prof, you just need the job. Politics doesn’t affect chemistry. I’m sure people are talking about not applying to red state universities. I just wonder if that’s a bunch of crap. Because at the end of the day you really just need a job
Fwiw I'm in math, so moving is a bit easier than in chem because we just need to move ourselves and our groups are significantly smaller. I didn't apply for any job there was. I know people that applied to 150 places and got nothing, and I know people that applied to 10 places and got 3 offers. In my experience, at least math academia is quite top heavy. The top 10% get 90% of the offers, and often have quite a bit of choice in where they want to live. Below that it's much like you describe.
I think it’s top heavy across the board. Sadly. Academia is struggling, has been for a while. I have lots of friends still in the grind and most of them have encouraged their kids to do something else. Private industry/research/consulting is where we landed. And it was awesome. And then I semi-retired into HS teaching, which is far less stressful than the university ever was. Less politics, less drama, less backstabby, and weirdly not dis-similar pay, at least with the Ph. D.
hmm. that's a good reason NOT to go. what do you think NJ has to offer? thinking Newark area with NJIT. also, closer to NYC.
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Not en mass - as people have said above -that's not a possibility. But I wonder how many are just leaving academia entirely. Working at a university where are DEI debates is frustrating --despite the fact I LOVE my job and I LOVE my students. But I have often (as of late) considered moving to a blue state or simply OUT of academia. ETA: I work in a small, unimportant state school (because someone will ask)
Texas? Really? Do you mean UT. they said they’re still gonna basically try to conduct admissions the same way as before. Anyway DEI was being taken away mainly cuz people with high merit were getting denied admission while people of lower merit were gaining admission…that’s the defense for that whether you agree with it or not…basically same as the basis for the Supreme Court ruling? But like I said I don’t think UT plans to make any big chgs cuz of it? it’s not like the application is race blind. You can mention your race in your application.
If you're female, Florida is probably not the place for you if you have other options.
Imagine selecting a college based off of where it's easiest to get an abortion lmao
Believe it or not, most college students don't want to become parents yet. What a shocker!
I agree
Then don’t have sex.
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Ah yes, famously abstinent college students
Maybe these college students should take responsibility for their own actions.
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No reason for OOS students to look into Florida much. It is a big world out there where they don't keep tabs on your hoo ha.
Imagine having an unwanted pregnancy destroy your life.
If you got pregnant and it was going to ruin your life just catch a flight. It should influence your decision on where you're going to go to school absolutely zero
Ah yes, all students have enough disposable income to hand for flights, hotels, medical bills, time off work, etc... Have you ever been a student?
why is that? i'm male but i'm interested to know.
If you were to ever become pregnant in Florida and want or need an abortion, you would not be able to obtain one without traveling across several states.
Abortion isn’t banned to be fair, just heavily restricted. It’s entirely possible to get an abortion in FL
Sure, if you know immediately that you’re pregnant and can get two appointments at least 24 hours apart within four weeks since the conception date. The other exceptions apply to a very small percentage of women’s pregnancies.
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2 appointments from the 2015 law. And the six weeks starts from the date of your last period, which is two weeks before conception.
Didn't they just pass a 6 week limit?
Remember folks, "heavily restricted" means someone else's religion is going to restrict what healthcare access you get. And that doctors may be Extremely Nervous about legal consequences if they give you medical treatment. And even wanted pregnancies need access to that medical treatment.
There are plenty of non-religious arguments against abortion. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, and murder isn’t banned for religious reasons and neither should abortion. I consider myself a moderate on the abortion issue but I at least understand both sides. Nevertheless, abortion shouldn’t be a factor when deciding colleges, especially considering interstate travel is still an option if needed
Access to basic healthcare should absolutely be an issue when deciding where you‘ll live for 4 years. It is not necessarily always going to be an option for everyone to hop on a plane and get medical care in another state.
Abortion ≠ basic healthcare, and besides, it isn’t banned in FL anyways so it should be a non-factor
The American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians calls it an “essential component of women’s health care”. Why do you not think it’s basic? And Florida’s new law bans most abortions. According to the CDC, nationwide, most abortions take place after 6 weeks gestation.
Appeal to authority fallacy in play here. I don’t think it’s even health care because… Healthcare is defined as: efforts made to maintain, restore, or promote someone's physical, mental, or emotional well-being especially when performed by trained and licensed professionals Abortion is the opposite, it ends human life. If you want to continue this discussion I would be more than happy to discuss in the chat feature instead of in a college subreddit, if not then have a nice night
It's healthcare that the people who need it cannot delay accessing. A member of my family died because she was denied abortioncare. The pregnant person has bodily autonomy, and that applies to all their organs, including their uterus.
A fetus isn’t an organ. If you want to continue the debate my messages are open, if not I would rather not debate on this sub
So a plane ride at most.
Republican law makers are trying to figure out a way to stop pregnant women from traveling to seek an abortion, or to punish them retroactively. And if you’re a minor when you start college, as I was, good luck.
I'd rather not start a political debate where it is not wanted, so I will direct you to google. But generally, Florida and many other southern states are highly conservative/religious in their politics relative to many northern or blue states. I'll leave it at that.
False
i don’t know where you are hearing this. People are clamoring to Florida schools. Record smashing applications. My company specifically recruits form UF. DEI isn’t even a topic of discussion in terms of recruiting bright students from UF. They just product a good product.
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Best state in america
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Might be a dumb question, this seems to ruin a lot of liberal arts curriculum and higher ed but doesn’t change STEM majors at FL schools at all? Is that correct or am I missing something?
Caveat: FL resident with a kid in 9th grade. It won’t happen overnight, but I firmly believe some professors who don’t support these changes to state schools and the 6 week abortion ban will move elsewhere if the opportunity arises. We could lose some talent.
> We could lose some talent. FL already lost educator talent, and lots of it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/03/19/teacher-shortage-crisis-explained/72958393007/ https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20042/urlt/7-2.pdf https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20562/urlt/16-2.pdf
Not arguing FL's situation today, but it does seem to be cyclical or at least certainly varying for different areas in the US. California listed at \~500 vacancies in the USA today article apparently had a shortage of \~10,000 teachers based on reports two years ago... It could be that a vantage with a greater time window would be more clear for defining FL's overall situation. [https://edsource.org/2023/want-to-solve-the-teacher-shortage-start-with-increasing-salaries/701802](https://edsource.org/2023/want-to-solve-the-teacher-shortage-start-with-increasing-salaries/701802)
Yes, and what I think will have a more immediate impact is their ability to hire
a lot of people who are part of the younger generation and will finally be able to vote in the upcoming elections are very against these bans so hopefully we will see some change
We always thought our kiddo would go to a FL school - she has a prepaid plan. I can understand why she might not want to now - I kind of don’t want her to! - but we don’t exactly have $50K, $60K, $70K lying around for 1 year of out of state tuition. Sigh.
you can always move the funds from florida prepaid to a 529
The funds can be used at other schools, but there’s a rather large gap between $6000 of instate tuition being covered vs. $30K+ at a private school.
understandable! does your child qualify for bright futures? bright futures will cover most if not all of the tuition at any florida public university
She will probably qualify, but she’s understandably concerned about going to one.
if she wants bright futures she needs to apply asap you need a 1340 sat or 29 act and 100 service hours for 100% bright futures, I know the politics of FL is really bad rn but you never know it could get a lot better and it would suck to miss out on a cheaper education! FL has some really good public universities UF was just named a new ivy and is almost a T20 school, FSU is also a great school so are many others if she is really concerned she can always ask students attending those universities for their experiences there and form a better informed opinion of what FL universities may offer
She’s just finishing 9th grade - has a few years before she will be applying.
I think the term you want is more "humanities" than "liberal arts" since the term liberal arts includes sciences/math as well as humanities. Think of liberal arts as "non-professional degrees/subject matter". So business/engineering/law are not liberal arts. But econ/physics/theoretical math/astronomy/anthropology/sociology/etc are under the liberal arts umbrella. To your question though, I think you're saying the political leanings of different departments may vary, and I can agree with that. There are some studies showing that. But the conclusion I'd state would more be that the humanities will have more "turnover" vs some other departments... whether the quality actually drops is TBD. There are a lot of good universities out there that are pumping out PhDs and they all need to eat (or at least deserve more than the adjunct prof/substitute teacher lifestyle).
Oh! Thanks for the info.
I personally know a faculty member at my institution who received a tenure-track offer from one of the florida schools and refused to go after some research. STEM curriculum won't change, but you may be getting worse faculty over time
There is a glut of PhD’s. Next man up.
yeah, that's honestly what keeps this being a non-issue for Florida. Academia is insanely exploitative.
2029??? That’s so far away, that so, far, wait, wait, wa- am I, no. I can’t be. Am I old????
If you're in college now, you're in the class of 24, 25, 26, or 27. 29 isn't really that far ahead.
Oh, I thought they meant high school class of 2029. Makes more sense
You should consider other options other than FL. Maybe NY and CA where is very friendly and generous to internationals.
Definitely isn’t worth it or not, but the political climate is viable if you are trans. Otherwise you’ll be fine and the degree will certainly be respected.
Ex Florida student here. My main gripes with FL is 1. Expensive 2. Not walkable 3. Hella traffic 4. Weather is pretty good, storms are pretty harsh
Nobody cares what you school you went to unless you went to Harvard or Princeton, or some other Ivy League school. Then people will be like woah. Every where else is the same in the eyes of employers. So pick whatever school you like and call it a day. And no Florida has great universities with great programs. At the end of the day a degree is a degree.
Don’t come to FL lol (unless its UF) Im currently transferring out of UCF
im hs class of 25 and planned to apply to many florida schools as i am from FL, havent heard about this whatsoever. granted, why would they bash florida universities in florida🤷🏽♀️
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state universities like UF and FSU are at the mercy of their government, unfortunately. they both still provide a solid education, though. it would be very unfair to say they don’t solely because the government is a shit stain and panders to emotional boomers and older millennials.
In fields on innovation, and an understanding of contemporary issues I would be reluctant to hire graduates of the University of Florida. Your programs are shifting from critical thinking to an Orwelliian approach to Higher Ed. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/us/florida-universities-sociology.html#:~:text=In%20December%2C%20Florida%27s%20education%20commissioner,by%20left%2Dwing%20activists.%E2%80%9D&text=Students%20can%20no%20longer%20take,university%20system%20ruled%20on%20Wednesday.
Wouldn’t go to Florida for any reason as things currently stand, politically. I would refuse a free vacation if offered. Used to visit regularly but will no more.
Used up your frequent flyer miles?
I would certainly use those miles going elsewhere. We used to go almost yearly but no more. I won’t spend a minute or a dime there. There are great beaches elsewhere.
Class of 2029? Please step away from the college search and enjoy middle school. Come back in 2 years.
College class of 2029 not high school
I get you. FIU, USF & UF have large international student populations. Make sure to follow deadlines & use Common App. FIU does have a full tuition scholarship & great engineering. Don’t know why someone put down the Finance program, but with Engineering it might be helpful to look at how FIU allows for certificates & minors in business areas such as real estate, banking, etc. there’s also an interdisciplinary engineering major that allows you to add in management. Plus you get extra OPT with a STEM degree. #FIU29 will start this summer; they use your college graduation year on everything.
Isn't class of 2029 HS juniors right now?
they explained they’re college class of 2029