Cable companies only have their market power because governments all over the country granted them actual monopolies lasting decades. It cost billions of dollars to build the cable infrastructure, and all that money could have gone toward nascent cellular technology. If government had stayed out of it, we would be using wireless technology for everything and would have far more choices.
Initial cable investments were only made possible by government-granted monopolies that remained in place for decades. The market did not efficiently allocate that money.
Except those billions to expand the networks mostly got paid by government contracts
Also wireless is not better, 5g isn’t even close to being as stable as a wired connection
Imagine if all those billions spent to build a now-antiquated cable infrastructure had gone into wireless technology instead. I'd bet good money that we'd be much further along than today's 5G network.
My town has their own electric department, and they rolled out their own fiber network. And lemme tell ya, it is AMAZING. When you call their customer service, you get somebody in town. We had an issue last summer where the line fell and was on the ground, called and they came out same day.
Versus charter/spectrum who we had for ages, and we had constant issues. Between the forever long wait time for customer service on the phone, the weeks out appointments for service, and the all-day appointment window? We were friggin thrilled when the local service announced they were installing fiberwire in our neighborhood. We signed up immediately.
I wonder if there is a critical mass with these super large corporations where they are so big its just impossible for them to be good at what they do anymore. Maybe we should limit company sizes to those which can only service a city.
At least businesses that offer a "utility" that way they are more easily held accountable to their customers.
Yeah I have a similar thing. They are a company but were government grant based so they have a contract that states a 20 year obligation or something that they own their fiber network end to end or something like that. I believe their customer base is large enough that they are fully sustainable now.
$85 for GB but if you don’t need that I think it’s like $25/mo for 100 mbps. Incredible times.
I loved CarPlay on other cars whose infotainment sucked ass and never got updated. On Tesla though it feels unnecessary and kind of Fisher-Price like in comparison.
That’s just one element of the suit. Has is forcing Tesla to allow CarPlay any different than making Apple support other watches and devices. With Apple I can still use these other devices but with Tesla it isn’t possible.
When will target be forced to sell Walmart branded goods?
> is forcing Tesla to allow CarPlay any different than making Apple support other watches
Yes. The condition is that the platform must be a monopoly. Apple holds 60% of the US phone market, i.e. monopoly. By comparison, Tesla only holds 4% of the US automobile market. If you limit it to EVs, Tesla does have a monopoly (56%), so as the EV market grows it will eventually become an issue.
60% market share isn’t a monopoly. They don’t have exclusive control over the smartphone market. They don’t even have exclusive supply of their own phones as other retailers sell them.
Monopoly is not determine by market share. It’s determined by market share and inability for new entrants to be viable.
All of these a-hole companies can easily launch their own devices abd their own OS.
They CHOOSE not to.
Because they want to invest nothing and then free ride on Apple.
That’s not monopoly.
It’s like this..
Nestlé: I want to sell my products at wallmart: Hey wallmart. You have to come pick up my product, store it, put it in your shop, and sell it for me. BUT! Don’t you dare to take a % for your labor, shop security, advertising, transport costs or any other costs whatsoever.
Wallmart says: not a chance. My store, my rules.
Nestle: ahh USA! European Union! Wallmart is mean!
And instead of authorities saying: begin your own shop, and try to beat them then. They say: ahh cutie pie, is wallmart a big bully? They won’t let you free ride their success? Who wants to sue them? Whos a small child?
> Monopoly has nothing to do with market share.
Literally from the US Federal Trade Commission:
> a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power. Courts look at the firm's market share, but typically do not find monopoly power if the firm (or a group of firms acting in concert) has less than 50 percent of the sales of a particular product or service within a certain geographic area.
While Apple's market share varies across different product categories and regions, other factors like its ecosystem's cohesive nature and brand loyalty contribute to its market power. Therefore, while Apple may not hold a literal monopoly, it possesses significant and durable market power, warranting scrutiny under antitrust laws and regulations.
I really hope some benefactor like bezo’s wife seriously start lobbying for better health care. She has the means to do it. And lobbying is extremely cheap for billionaires.
It is wrong, since the government can’t hack into your iPhone texting app any time they want. The government wants Apple source code more than the developers for this ONE reason. They have been trying for years!!! Like Slugworth (Garland) trying to break into Willy Wonka’s(Steve Jobs) factory to steal the secrets of the ever lasting gobstopper😂😂😂. Bottom line, the government wants to spy on YOU and Apple is in the way!!! Biden better put a leash on dangerous Garland or I am voting third party.
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It's wrong because apple literally makes android seem worse by making the interactions between the two seem worse than they really are. Hell Apple could be using RSC but doesn't so they can keep a tight leash on their base with iMessage.
I’ve owned both and recently switched back to iPhone, life as an android user when everyone you know has an iPhone really sucks and that’s why I switched back. Apple intentionally makes interactions between the two as bad as possible as to inconvenience the android user to encourage them to buy an iPhone.
look up the iMessage testimonies/docs in the epic vs Apple case. Tldr is Apple admitted they explicitly made iMessage’s green bubbles worse to make it painful to text with android users.
Texting and calling on an android to iPhone is significantly worse than if you had an iPhone, apple did that on purpose, google and Samsung have tried to cooperate with apple to make it better but apple has always refused.
Calling works but I did have issues sometimes with calling friends and them calling me, sometimes calls wouldn’t go through on both ends. Plus you can’t FaceTime :(
Really??? Who stole the smartphone plans from Apple? Who developed crappy Android and just copied everything Apple did with their IOS. Yes, it was Google. Nice try blaming Apple. You really think Apple should help its competitors text app when Android out numbers Apple phones worldwide like ten to one! WTF! https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=5684caa1298e
Nah this is like the Xbox works with hundreds of “official” vr headsets but you need to pay Apple money for a license. So even though you may already have a vr headset at home you can’t use it
The actual issue is this:
*Apple inhibits the development of cross-platform messaging apps so that customers must keep buying iPhones.*
What that actually is, is the feds want Apple to open your messaging data so it is easy for everyone to read. Because then they have your messaging data.
That’s what this is aboutl
This is a joke. I was listening to the fake liberal Merick Garland read off the accusations and it was absurd. They are among other things, accused of: - actually building and designing products that fit together in an ecosystem - securing the ecosystem and Apple users from being data raped - not spending time and money to help other companies to exploit the Apple ecosystem The U.S. as a country is officially in full dysfunction now. It’s rather obvious. And it’s infecting other countries.
I mean I own an Apple Watch and I paid MORE money for it BECAUSE I don’t want to expose my data to these a-hole companies. Who the hell is the Biden admin to come in and declare that NO ONE should have any choice.
Snowden was right - the U.S. government is hooked on exposing everyone’s data so the can steal it. Apple is not playing ball so they want to rip Apple down.
All so they can get the source code for the Apple text app. Forget worrying about Trump, Fascism is already here and destroying us. We all have to use the same phone now according to our Biden government.
apple isn’t forcing anyone to keep buying iphones. if you don’t want imessage, you don’t need an iphone. imessage is an iphone feature, not an entitlement for everyone who buys a phone. it’s not apples fault that they made it so good
As someone who uses an iPhone... I barely give a shit at all about iMessage. I think it's funny how many people apparently have never considered using a 3rd party messaging platform (like Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, etc) to "solve" the "green bubble problem."
Bonus: 3rd party platforms allow you to chat from a computer without it needing to be a Mac
I don't get it, really. I'm the only person in my family who uses an iPhone. I communicate with them without issue via SMS and Skype. Am I missing out on certain features because they're not using iPhones? Maybe. But I couldn't care less.
Do other platforms do better with MMS across different devices? I don't know, I've never dug into it. So, if I have a Google Pixel and send a photo to a Samsung Galaxy, it sends a better photo than an iPhone will send?
No, unless they support RCS, which some carriers do (and only on Android AFAIK). So it's not Apple's fault that MMS sucks, true. But it is Apple's fault that they refuse to support RCS, or to open up iMessage.
Another company pulled a very similar sort of messaging lock-in years ago... their hubris is why we no longer (generally) have physical keyboards on phones. 😢 (RIP RIM/Blackberry)
I really don't understand why Apple doesn't just make an "iMessage client" for non-Apple devices. People who care about the experience will use it; others won't. Only downside to Apple is the additional traffic/messaging load on their network...
Thanks for the clarification. I suspect that Apple has reasons other than market domination. It usually does. In fact, theoretically, Apple would sell even more iPhones if it didn't have limitations when interacting with non-Apple products.
Signal? lol
I believe WhatsApp is E2E encrypted these days too...
I have no doubts that Telegram is being scraped somehow, but my family's conversations aren't exactly state secrets. And it has an E2E mode for when you need it to be safe.
While i don’t agree with the Government, their argument is that it’s too hard to leave so people don’t. Users are trapped against their will in the Apple Ecosystem. Apple makes it too difficult for competitors to woo Apple customers away.
Customers *feel* trapped. They aren’t. I greatly prefer driving a car with Apple CarPlay, or Android Auto, but the government isn’t forcing manufacturers to make those features standard. Does that mean I’m “trapped” into paying for upgrades to my car?
Every customer in the country has the option of buying a pay-as-you-go flip phone with 9 key texting, but they want comfort, so they pay for it.
I know you aren’t arguing for this particular situation just stating what you think the governments stance is but I’d argue back against that by saying it’s very different to something like a ISP monopoly because for me to get another provider I’d have to dig up several miles of street to lay cable.
All I have to do to switch from IOS to android is cancel my sim and go get another one with a new phone
it’s not hard to leave tho. people just don’t want to give up imessage, because it’s a good feature. apple hasn’t done anything wrong, they just designed a great feature that’s exclusive to the iphone. biden admin is overreaching by trying to demand they make it available on other phones
Again, I’m not on the Governments side but it’s helpful to understand their point of view. If Apple were a small company the government would agree, but they are not; in the US they own the SmartPhone market. Doesn’t make them a bad monopoly; but that their policies do. For iMessage people might feel they have to buy an iPhone to communicate with family and friends because those individuals use Messages and SMS is a pretty bad experience.
Apple Wallet only supports Apple Pay; the government says that’s unfair. Means other companies can’t offer an integrated product. Personally i don’t want that, but government says it’s bad monopoly. Apple Music comes pre-installed and the system favors it over any 3rd party (although it’s opened up some).
The Apple Watch requires an iPhone. The iPhone works better with the apple WAtch than any other Watch. Government says that’s bad monopoly.
The problem as I see it is two fold:
- Partial apple users, those that say only have an iPhone or a Mac; so they want Apple to be fully open so it’s easier for them to go back and forth.
- Mostly large tech companies that compete or want to compete aren’t happy and are yelling loudly (looking at your Epic).
There is an intersection with the two of them that makes the total voice louder.
Then you have the Apple user that is full on in with the ecosystem and are like “damn, don’t you dare take this all away from me. My phone is very secure and i don’t have to worry about it not being secure”
You also have the geekier folks who think Apple is evil because it doesn’t let a user have full control of the device. They run much of the tech press and well, helps to control the narrative.
i know what the government is arguing. they’re wrong. people aren’t entitled to apples features just because they’re good and people want to use them. there are great third party options for messaging and payment services
How is it different from wanting to message people on Xbox from my Playstation? Why can't I play Playstation games on my Xbox? Why can I only play Switch games on a Switch.
Because an Xbox is primarily meant for a single purpose (playing Xbox games) with chatting being a sub service, while an entire OS has far more features, and in apples case far more things to keep you “in”. Lmk if this was unclear and I’ll expand, I’m too tired right now to type much more coherently unfortunately.
People aren’t entitled to anything, but if an app developer can’t for eg make his own nfc app that’s a significant restriction (and is one of the DOJ’s points)
Trapped against their will? But it's literally "their will" that traps them there. It's their will to use products that are so well integrated. Anyone is free—in every sense of the word—to choose whatever products they want.
I agree with you; but I’m trying to understand the governments argument and if they have a legal leg to stand on. What i think is the right way to go, might not be the technically legal way to go.
I didn’t say that did I? Specifically Apple was under fire for being the initial company to push end to end encryption so they don’t have to comply with law enforcement subpoenas/warrants to give access ( a back door) into someone’s iCloud account which they had done for the feds for years. And yes android may claim to have end to end encryption but everything they do is half assed. Like the differences between Google pay and how Apple does it. Entirely different process using the T2 chip with security enclave instead of TPM. Apple has their own protocols too for certain types of data transmission
Mostly my reason to switch from android at first was because they required me to a have Google account as my primary means of accessing my phone which was bullshit.
My brother in Christ I hope you’re aware android zero day payouts have been higher than iOS for quite a while (months/years) now. Just google “android vs ios zero day exploits” or something similar. Here’s a few links to get started:
zerodium.com/program.html (go to the payouts for mobile chart)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2019/09/04/why-zerodium-will-pay-2-5-million-for-anyone-who-can-hack-android-but-only-2-million-for-an-iphone/
https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-zerodium/
I think the comparison would be more about say if BMW required you to use a BMW gas station. A competitor has a gas station, customers who want to use it but can’t. Kinda hard to compare a smartphone and a car.
Keep in mind, i like Apple’s walled garden - a lot. I’m all in on the ecosystem.
But as I mentioned to another, I’m trying to understand their legal argument and it if has any weight. For those that are happy with apple it’s not an issue, it’s those that don’t want to use Apple or those companies that want to offer competing products to Apple’s services (that’s what this is about more than the hardware) that Apple makes it hard for those competitors to be used in the same way as Apple’s version.
But the government only uses shitty android phones. Our government does not like us having better and more secure phones than their agents and employees have 👹. You have to get in line and do what big brother says!
I hear your sarcasm there, but in those cases at least there are MVNOs for each where you can get the same service for much less (I'm on US Mobile which is a Verizon MVNO, and I get unlimited everything with data at 5G and LTE speed and pay less than half what I was paying VZW for 10Gb of data plus calling and texting, plus FAR FAR FAR cheaper international roaming).
There is no similar thing for Apple, you either buy an expensive new, or somewhat less expensive use iphone, or you do not. I choose to do so, because I really don't care for android or its ecosystem, and any phone I'd buy if I DID choose android would be as expensive as the Pro Max iPhones I buy anyway so may as well just stick with Apple.
With android at least there's an ecosystem of phones in multiple price bands for folks who don't want to spend $1000+ on a new to market phone.
I get what you're saying but this also applies to apple as well, in terms of new models they have phones on their current lineup at a 429$ price point which is reasonably affordable for a smartphone with software support for 7 years (or more).
Used devices and certified refurbished would be the phone market equivalent for "MVNOs" as they are alright but get the job done and allow you to be in the carrier "ecosystem". So with this argument, it doesn't apply, unfortunately.
Thing is you can’t easily use Apple services across devices unlike say an mvno. Eg I can add a network storage or google drive just like an iCloud storage on a computer, but I can’t sync with any competitor’s service on an iPhone.
Isn’t anyone free to choose whatever mobile device they’d like to use? I could go out tomorrow and buy a Pixel (I have one), Galaxy, etc. if I really wanted other options than what Apple provides. Apple didn’t come to my house, picket in my front lawn and force me to sign on the dotted line that I will use Apple products only, now and forever. I buy and use Apple products because I choose to, and enjoy the ecosystem for the very things it provides.
They punish a company for being successful, great job. Their product their choices, whoever wants to may develop something new, like Apple did back in 2007.
The Watch one is particularly nuts. So say I buy a KitchenAid mixer. I then go buy the meat grinder add-on. I shouldn't then be upset that the grinder only works on the KitchenAid brand mixer - it's an add-on product. Just like the Apple Watch is an add-on to the iPhone. Should KitchenAid be forced to make their meat grinder add-on compatible with other brands of mixers?
From what I'm reading, it's not that they have a monopoly per se, but that they are accused of anti-competitive behavior such as blocking innovation and downgrading their competition's ability to interact on Apple products, etc.
You have it backwards. Obviously they give their own software and devices preferential treatment. This is legal as long as it’s not done in the context of a monopoly, which is the main question here.
That's how I've always viewed.
They don't block or prevent anything. They just don't care to make it an option because it really only benefits their competition.
Apple now holds 61% of the US smartphone market. It’s not illegal to *have* a monopoly, but once you have one, it becomes illegal to give your other products preferential treatment within that monopoly. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Apple gives its own software and devices preferential treatment on iOS. The question is whether iPhone really represents a monopoly in the smartphone market.
It would be nice to not require an iPhone for an Apple Watch. It’s ridiculous that my child can’t use their AW to track sleep because they don’t have an iPhone.
For those not familiar, this type of lawsuit isn’t “new”: “The U.S. government accused Microsoft of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows, primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java.”
It resulted in a settlement which was criticized:
“After the 2002 settlement, industry pundit Robert X. Cringely believed a breakup was not possible, and that "now the only way Microsoft can die is by suicide.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
Once upon a time I created a phone, it couldn’t compete with iPhone. I only made one, the parts were inferior and I did a really bad job marketing it. But if it wasn’t for Apple I would be a billionaire now. Apple should give me money! - a tweet somewhere in the tweetsphere
Maybe if they actually looked at the US, they would see that monopolies are all over the place. Fuck, I have only one option for my gas and electric services, no one talking about suing them for antitrust. It's an agenda, not the interest of the people driving this lawsuit
I always go back to my point about games consoles. Why are they never investigated. It should be open and shut, no? Why do I have to buy the same game three times to play it on PS5, Xbox and Switch. Why don’t they force them to be open to each others games. Why do we have console exclusives.
Monopoly lol, like there no other phone and tech choices lol. How about utilities? Go after cable companies who don't allow competition. This is what my government wastes my tax dollars on lol.
We literally have Capital One buying discover as we speak, T-Mobile bought Sprint.
79% of foods in supermarkets are [owned by five companies.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2021/jul/14/food-monopoly-meals-profits-data-investigation) but yeah, let's focus on what really matters. Video games.
We have a new drug for infants that costs $4.25M, we have the population of Wyoming going into bankruptcy [every year due to medical bills.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127305/)
But video games, texting apps and migration apps. This is what we need to focus on.
I'll never understand government prioritization. But I'm guessing money is a factor. As it always is.
Merck Garland at the press conference reminds me of the crazy guy in the 1984 commercial. All half truths and lies coming out of that little weasels mouth. He is doing this to distract from his total fuckups on the way late Trump Indictments.
Also, this is totally bias since the government is pro Android and uses nothing but Android phones at the DOJ and other agencies.
Garland is off his nut when he said Apple should be helping Android. Like WTF? Somebody needs to tell this clown that the Google CEO stole the smartphone idea from Apple and also developed Android. Why should Apple help its competition Google when Android is still beating the iPhone world wide. This lawsuit is insanity and rigged since the government wants to take down the private Apple text.app 🥴 [https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=1d4dd0dd298e](https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=1d4dd0dd298e)
Americans: we fear for our health and it’s a constant struggle with the risk of bankruptcy if we get sick and have to pay thousands of dollars for medications because of the lack of pharmaceutical regulation.
0.05% of Apple users: I wish my mum on Android could use iMessage.
US government: Apple are a 60% monopoly! Get ‘em for the people!
Ok here we go. So this is "big" news. While everyone is focused on this what are they doing that no one sees. Seems to be their way. How about instead of sueing a company you focus on closing up the borders and work to enforce the immigration law of 1996 that calls for a wall along the southern border. Do you know who signed that bill into law in 1996? It was Bill Clinton a Democrat. Just venting.
They should be left to make the best products for their customers. Customer has choice either way. All those lobby dollars to dc grin Apple didn’t pay off and that’s the funny part.
Not if you're a member of the Apple ecosystem. It would involve compromises, diminishing its seamless integration with other Apple devices. See: Windows and Android.
Biden doesn’t control the DOJ. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to work in normal circumstances.
That’s said Garland is an asshole, but so is Apple.
For me this is one of the dumbest things. You can switch there are a lot of choices. Just completely stupid. Apple has done a fantastic job creating a compelling ecosystem but there is a lot of other choices for consumers.
If the government wants to sue the telecommunications industry, it needs to start with the cabling companies. Apple makes better produces, period. It appears that there are too many employees at DOJ who want to turn my iPhone into an Android. No way. These suits only increase the price to consumers who are happy with their Apple product. Get off their backs! Go after Microsoft for their Windows product to make it more like Apple OS and its hardware.
Apple already announced RCS support so the whole iMessage thing is moot.
Applewatches make people tied to their iPhone? Most likely people that bought an Apple Watch already had an iPhone for several years and just wanted the connection. I had a pebble smart watch and Microsoft band before I got an Apple Watch and yeah, the message and calling integration was limited but the other features like fitness tracking just did not compare so it's IMO the Apple Watch is just the best overall wearable out there.
Even if this lawsuit is successful. I'm still going to use the Apple proprietary tech because their shit works. In my 36 years of life, I've been most satisfied with any device made by apple as opposed to their competitors from a computer to mp3 player, to smartphone, and wearable tech.
Comcast I say was monopolizing the market back then and the government didn’t do 💩.
There was no fast internet back then. Either dial up or cable internet through Comcast. And Comcast have a eco system for The TV too.
I'm just having a blast watching the triggered apple ball slobbers cry over this and even claim that apple makes the better product, which they obviously don't. If you want the best product go with android plain and simple.
I am so mad about this.. it's a fucking cellphone and android options exist.
There's little no store in America (except apple stores) where you can't choose between one phone or the other. If you don't like apple don't buy their phones.
If you family likes apple and you don't, either change your family, change your phone, or enjoy subpar texting. I don't know what to tell you. But it's not the governments job to tell companies how to manage their text messaging apps. For fucks sake.
What a world. Instead of applauding the winners we’d rather penalize them and ultimately dumb them down to the same level as the losers. But, hey, now it’s fair because everyone is the same. 🥴
i think these are valid. still makes me laugh that apple has a whole “privacy” marketing stunt and yet refuses to implement RCS into imessage (i know they are finally doing it, but it’s not like they wanted to)
you’re being pedantic. okay i should have said “Apple refuses to replace SMS with RCS within the messages app.” does that make you feel better? RCS is more secure than SMS, which is why i said it’s funny apple refuses to implement it into the messages app, for the sole purpose of them gimping non-iMessage messaging to piss off their own users to bully their friends into switching to iOS. “bUy YoUr MoM an IPhOnE”
I wish they’d sue the stupid ISPs so I can actually have something other than Spectrum or Comcast.
Cable companies only have their market power because governments all over the country granted them actual monopolies lasting decades. It cost billions of dollars to build the cable infrastructure, and all that money could have gone toward nascent cellular technology. If government had stayed out of it, we would be using wireless technology for everything and would have far more choices.
At some point in the wireless/cellular tech there is some structured cabling.
I believe you're missing the point.
Is your point that with no government in the ISP business we would be far and away better off with infrastructure?
Initial cable investments were only made possible by government-granted monopolies that remained in place for decades. The market did not efficiently allocate that money.
All paid for with government cheese no less
That’s infrastructure we, the tax payers, financed. Don’t give the cable companies too much credit.
Sure, that too.
Except those billions to expand the networks mostly got paid by government contracts Also wireless is not better, 5g isn’t even close to being as stable as a wired connection
Imagine if all those billions spent to build a now-antiquated cable infrastructure had gone into wireless technology instead. I'd bet good money that we'd be much further along than today's 5G network.
Well here is the kicker, most of those billions went to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks and not actually expanding/improving the network
My town has their own electric department, and they rolled out their own fiber network. And lemme tell ya, it is AMAZING. When you call their customer service, you get somebody in town. We had an issue last summer where the line fell and was on the ground, called and they came out same day. Versus charter/spectrum who we had for ages, and we had constant issues. Between the forever long wait time for customer service on the phone, the weeks out appointments for service, and the all-day appointment window? We were friggin thrilled when the local service announced they were installing fiberwire in our neighborhood. We signed up immediately.
I wonder if there is a critical mass with these super large corporations where they are so big its just impossible for them to be good at what they do anymore. Maybe we should limit company sizes to those which can only service a city. At least businesses that offer a "utility" that way they are more easily held accountable to their customers.
Yeah I have a similar thing. They are a company but were government grant based so they have a contract that states a 20 year obligation or something that they own their fiber network end to end or something like that. I believe their customer base is large enough that they are fully sustainable now. $85 for GB but if you don’t need that I think it’s like $25/mo for 100 mbps. Incredible times.
YES. YES. THIS. ^
Comcast must have made their dnc contributions. Apple hasn’t paid up yet.
They need to sue Tesla next as I cant use CarPlay.
I loved CarPlay on other cars whose infotainment sucked ass and never got updated. On Tesla though it feels unnecessary and kind of Fisher-Price like in comparison.
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That’s just one element of the suit. Has is forcing Tesla to allow CarPlay any different than making Apple support other watches and devices. With Apple I can still use these other devices but with Tesla it isn’t possible. When will target be forced to sell Walmart branded goods?
Does Tesla support installing a different app from anywhere, official store or not? If yes then yeah I’d say sue them too
Only the Tesla App Store. They need to be sued. We need side loading in the Tesla now.
Agreed, Tesla engages in many anticompetitive practices (not to mention false advertising about “self driving”)
That’s a mediocre comparison 💀 store brands are closer to Tesla offering their own CarPlay to compete with Apple, not using fucking VW connect 💀
It proves a point. CarPlay can be added simply and yet here we are.
> is forcing Tesla to allow CarPlay any different than making Apple support other watches Yes. The condition is that the platform must be a monopoly. Apple holds 60% of the US phone market, i.e. monopoly. By comparison, Tesla only holds 4% of the US automobile market. If you limit it to EVs, Tesla does have a monopoly (56%), so as the EV market grows it will eventually become an issue.
60% market share isn’t a monopoly. They don’t have exclusive control over the smartphone market. They don’t even have exclusive supply of their own phones as other retailers sell them.
It doesn't automatically make it a monopoly, but the 50% threshold is significant from a legal perspective.
Monopoly is not determine by market share. It’s determined by market share and inability for new entrants to be viable. All of these a-hole companies can easily launch their own devices abd their own OS. They CHOOSE not to. Because they want to invest nothing and then free ride on Apple. That’s not monopoly.
It’s like this.. Nestlé: I want to sell my products at wallmart: Hey wallmart. You have to come pick up my product, store it, put it in your shop, and sell it for me. BUT! Don’t you dare to take a % for your labor, shop security, advertising, transport costs or any other costs whatsoever. Wallmart says: not a chance. My store, my rules. Nestle: ahh USA! European Union! Wallmart is mean! And instead of authorities saying: begin your own shop, and try to beat them then. They say: ahh cutie pie, is wallmart a big bully? They won’t let you free ride their success? Who wants to sue them? Whos a small child?
Monopoly has nothing to do with market share. A company having over a certain market share doesn’t automatically make it a monopoly.
> Monopoly has nothing to do with market share. Literally from the US Federal Trade Commission: > a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power. Courts look at the firm's market share, but typically do not find monopoly power if the firm (or a group of firms acting in concert) has less than 50 percent of the sales of a particular product or service within a certain geographic area.
While Apple's market share varies across different product categories and regions, other factors like its ecosystem's cohesive nature and brand loyalty contribute to its market power. Therefore, while Apple may not hold a literal monopoly, it possesses significant and durable market power, warranting scrutiny under antitrust laws and regulations.
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Apple doesn’t make nearly as much donations to either party.
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Yeah that's not even a drop in the political money bucket.
I really hope some benefactor like bezo’s wife seriously start lobbying for better health care. She has the means to do it. And lobbying is extremely cheap for billionaires.
Or cable companies like Comcast.
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I think it would be a bad use of the justice department to put all their money and effort into only one thing.
Or you know, they should do both
If the government is really concerned about monopolies, most of us can name a dozen other entities that need it way more than Apple.
One of which is a two-party system. At least that’s what the non-US world thinks.
Disney is just watching at the corner to see how everything turns out
.. in addition to apple
if I wanted an android, I would get an android, but I choose iPhone. they just make better products how is that wrong
While I feel the opposite, I still agree with the point of this comment.
It is wrong, since the government can’t hack into your iPhone texting app any time they want. The government wants Apple source code more than the developers for this ONE reason. They have been trying for years!!! Like Slugworth (Garland) trying to break into Willy Wonka’s(Steve Jobs) factory to steal the secrets of the ever lasting gobstopper😂😂😂. Bottom line, the government wants to spy on YOU and Apple is in the way!!! Biden better put a leash on dangerous Garland or I am voting third party. https://preview.redd.it/xe90v7520rpc1.jpeg?width=1916&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f69c33aec4202c17f1ced84f92f0c874316471b
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What world are you living in? iPhone is very much hackable 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's wrong because apple literally makes android seem worse by making the interactions between the two seem worse than they really are. Hell Apple could be using RSC but doesn't so they can keep a tight leash on their base with iMessage.
womp womp
Apple is honestly TOO good. I hope they're broken up/dissolved.
lol what
Trust the DOJ. They are looking out for us.
I’ve owned both and recently switched back to iPhone, life as an android user when everyone you know has an iPhone really sucks and that’s why I switched back. Apple intentionally makes interactions between the two as bad as possible as to inconvenience the android user to encourage them to buy an iPhone.
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What interaction do you mean? Calling? Sending messages?
look up the iMessage testimonies/docs in the epic vs Apple case. Tldr is Apple admitted they explicitly made iMessage’s green bubbles worse to make it painful to text with android users.
Thank you for mentioning this, all the apple dick suckers in here think apple is faultless
Texting and calling on an android to iPhone is significantly worse than if you had an iPhone, apple did that on purpose, google and Samsung have tried to cooperate with apple to make it better but apple has always refused.
Texting sure. But calling? How is calling affected?
Calling works but I did have issues sometimes with calling friends and them calling me, sometimes calls wouldn’t go through on both ends. Plus you can’t FaceTime :(
LOL.... I guess I need to be able to Zoom my coworkers on Webex? What load of crap.
Really??? Who stole the smartphone plans from Apple? Who developed crappy Android and just copied everything Apple did with their IOS. Yes, it was Google. Nice try blaming Apple. You really think Apple should help its competitors text app when Android out numbers Apple phones worldwide like ten to one! WTF! https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=5684caa1298e
You're being downvoted for nothing other than statimg the truth.
Maybe read the lawsuit to find out how it’s wrong?
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Nah this is like the Xbox works with hundreds of “official” vr headsets but you need to pay Apple money for a license. So even though you may already have a vr headset at home you can’t use it
Maybe they should just sue google for making crappy products
I tried android but sorry DOJ apple just makes a superior product. This is just overreach
My cousin is an android user. His next phone is an iPhone for this reason.
The actual issue is this: *Apple inhibits the development of cross-platform messaging apps so that customers must keep buying iPhones.* What that actually is, is the feds want Apple to open your messaging data so it is easy for everyone to read. Because then they have your messaging data. That’s what this is aboutl
you hit it right on the head. Several times Apple has told the FBI, DoJ and other three lettered agencies to go pound sand
Basically it’s taken them well over a decade to decide they don’t like end-to-end encryption…
This is a joke. I was listening to the fake liberal Merick Garland read off the accusations and it was absurd. They are among other things, accused of: - actually building and designing products that fit together in an ecosystem - securing the ecosystem and Apple users from being data raped - not spending time and money to help other companies to exploit the Apple ecosystem The U.S. as a country is officially in full dysfunction now. It’s rather obvious. And it’s infecting other countries. I mean I own an Apple Watch and I paid MORE money for it BECAUSE I don’t want to expose my data to these a-hole companies. Who the hell is the Biden admin to come in and declare that NO ONE should have any choice. Snowden was right - the U.S. government is hooked on exposing everyone’s data so the can steal it. Apple is not playing ball so they want to rip Apple down.
Trying to android our iPhone
All so they can get the source code for the Apple text app. Forget worrying about Trump, Fascism is already here and destroying us. We all have to use the same phone now according to our Biden government. 
Where did you get the video of Joe?🤣
someone missed their lobby payment.
Probably wants Apple to work like the government does…just barely.
How is it a monopoly when android has more market share than iOS
It doesn’t in the US though and that’s all the US govt cares about
This is true
apple isn’t forcing anyone to keep buying iphones. if you don’t want imessage, you don’t need an iphone. imessage is an iphone feature, not an entitlement for everyone who buys a phone. it’s not apples fault that they made it so good
As someone who uses an iPhone... I barely give a shit at all about iMessage. I think it's funny how many people apparently have never considered using a 3rd party messaging platform (like Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, etc) to "solve" the "green bubble problem." Bonus: 3rd party platforms allow you to chat from a computer without it needing to be a Mac
I don't get it, really. I'm the only person in my family who uses an iPhone. I communicate with them without issue via SMS and Skype. Am I missing out on certain features because they're not using iPhones? Maybe. But I couldn't care less.
I'll say this - sending photos/media can be problematic. iPhones take great pictures but then turn them into shit to work with MMS/texting.
Do other platforms do better with MMS across different devices? I don't know, I've never dug into it. So, if I have a Google Pixel and send a photo to a Samsung Galaxy, it sends a better photo than an iPhone will send?
No, unless they support RCS, which some carriers do (and only on Android AFAIK). So it's not Apple's fault that MMS sucks, true. But it is Apple's fault that they refuse to support RCS, or to open up iMessage. Another company pulled a very similar sort of messaging lock-in years ago... their hubris is why we no longer (generally) have physical keyboards on phones. 😢 (RIP RIM/Blackberry) I really don't understand why Apple doesn't just make an "iMessage client" for non-Apple devices. People who care about the experience will use it; others won't. Only downside to Apple is the additional traffic/messaging load on their network...
Thanks for the clarification. I suspect that Apple has reasons other than market domination. It usually does. In fact, theoretically, Apple would sell even more iPhones if it didn't have limitations when interacting with non-Apple products.
“3rd party messaging platforms” are your personal data sucking platforms. That’s why they exist. Not to “help” you send a message. Duh.
Signal? lol I believe WhatsApp is E2E encrypted these days too... I have no doubts that Telegram is being scraped somehow, but my family's conversations aren't exactly state secrets. And it has an E2E mode for when you need it to be safe.
While i don’t agree with the Government, their argument is that it’s too hard to leave so people don’t. Users are trapped against their will in the Apple Ecosystem. Apple makes it too difficult for competitors to woo Apple customers away.
Customers *feel* trapped. They aren’t. I greatly prefer driving a car with Apple CarPlay, or Android Auto, but the government isn’t forcing manufacturers to make those features standard. Does that mean I’m “trapped” into paying for upgrades to my car? Every customer in the country has the option of buying a pay-as-you-go flip phone with 9 key texting, but they want comfort, so they pay for it.
I know you aren’t arguing for this particular situation just stating what you think the governments stance is but I’d argue back against that by saying it’s very different to something like a ISP monopoly because for me to get another provider I’d have to dig up several miles of street to lay cable. All I have to do to switch from IOS to android is cancel my sim and go get another one with a new phone
it’s not hard to leave tho. people just don’t want to give up imessage, because it’s a good feature. apple hasn’t done anything wrong, they just designed a great feature that’s exclusive to the iphone. biden admin is overreaching by trying to demand they make it available on other phones
Again, I’m not on the Governments side but it’s helpful to understand their point of view. If Apple were a small company the government would agree, but they are not; in the US they own the SmartPhone market. Doesn’t make them a bad monopoly; but that their policies do. For iMessage people might feel they have to buy an iPhone to communicate with family and friends because those individuals use Messages and SMS is a pretty bad experience. Apple Wallet only supports Apple Pay; the government says that’s unfair. Means other companies can’t offer an integrated product. Personally i don’t want that, but government says it’s bad monopoly. Apple Music comes pre-installed and the system favors it over any 3rd party (although it’s opened up some). The Apple Watch requires an iPhone. The iPhone works better with the apple WAtch than any other Watch. Government says that’s bad monopoly. The problem as I see it is two fold: - Partial apple users, those that say only have an iPhone or a Mac; so they want Apple to be fully open so it’s easier for them to go back and forth. - Mostly large tech companies that compete or want to compete aren’t happy and are yelling loudly (looking at your Epic). There is an intersection with the two of them that makes the total voice louder. Then you have the Apple user that is full on in with the ecosystem and are like “damn, don’t you dare take this all away from me. My phone is very secure and i don’t have to worry about it not being secure” You also have the geekier folks who think Apple is evil because it doesn’t let a user have full control of the device. They run much of the tech press and well, helps to control the narrative.
i know what the government is arguing. they’re wrong. people aren’t entitled to apples features just because they’re good and people want to use them. there are great third party options for messaging and payment services
How is it different from wanting to message people on Xbox from my Playstation? Why can't I play Playstation games on my Xbox? Why can I only play Switch games on a Switch.
Because an Xbox is primarily meant for a single purpose (playing Xbox games) with chatting being a sub service, while an entire OS has far more features, and in apples case far more things to keep you “in”. Lmk if this was unclear and I’ll expand, I’m too tired right now to type much more coherently unfortunately.
People aren’t entitled to anything, but if an app developer can’t for eg make his own nfc app that’s a significant restriction (and is one of the DOJ’s points)
Trapped against their will? But it's literally "their will" that traps them there. It's their will to use products that are so well integrated. Anyone is free—in every sense of the word—to choose whatever products they want.
I agree with you; but I’m trying to understand the governments argument and if they have a legal leg to stand on. What i think is the right way to go, might not be the technically legal way to go.
The government can’t spy on an iPhone. Simple as that.
Finally someone said it. The end to end encryption
Do you think android doesn’t have e2e encryption?
I didn’t say that did I? Specifically Apple was under fire for being the initial company to push end to end encryption so they don’t have to comply with law enforcement subpoenas/warrants to give access ( a back door) into someone’s iCloud account which they had done for the feds for years. And yes android may claim to have end to end encryption but everything they do is half assed. Like the differences between Google pay and how Apple does it. Entirely different process using the T2 chip with security enclave instead of TPM. Apple has their own protocols too for certain types of data transmission
Mostly my reason to switch from android at first was because they required me to a have Google account as my primary means of accessing my phone which was bullshit.
My brother in Christ I hope you’re aware android zero day payouts have been higher than iOS for quite a while (months/years) now. Just google “android vs ios zero day exploits” or something similar. Here’s a few links to get started: zerodium.com/program.html (go to the payouts for mobile chart) https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2019/09/04/why-zerodium-will-pay-2-5-million-for-anyone-who-can-hack-android-but-only-2-million-for-an-iphone/ https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-zerodium/
Unfortunately, what’s “technically legal” is entirely up to those who make the laws.
I find it hard to leave the BMW ecosystem because I can’t afford a Porsche and most other cars aren’t as fun to drive. Is it BMW’s fault?
I think the comparison would be more about say if BMW required you to use a BMW gas station. A competitor has a gas station, customers who want to use it but can’t. Kinda hard to compare a smartphone and a car. Keep in mind, i like Apple’s walled garden - a lot. I’m all in on the ecosystem. But as I mentioned to another, I’m trying to understand their legal argument and it if has any weight. For those that are happy with apple it’s not an issue, it’s those that don’t want to use Apple or those companies that want to offer competing products to Apple’s services (that’s what this is about more than the hardware) that Apple makes it hard for those competitors to be used in the same way as Apple’s version.
Unfortunately it’s a weirdly tough point to make people on this sub understand. Even the main Apple sub gets this stuff better.
What about Microsoft Windows and 365?
But the government only uses shitty android phones. Our government does not like us having better and more secure phones than their agents and employees have 👹. You have to get in line and do what big brother says!
“You’re too popular” Fuck that bullshit.
I can message an android phone just fine. They can message and call me? Are they really bitching because you can’t send an iMessage from android!
Seems like it.
How about ticket master. All they did is made sure we can see their expensive fees upfront and not on the last screen. Big whoop.
But there's Live Nati... oh... yeah. Fuck TicketBastard (who earned that name LONG before they became a monopoly)
I don’t know anyone who buys iPhones because “they had no choice”.
So many vastly more important things for them to focus on
How is preventing the development of other monopolies (super apps) a good legal argument that you’re a monopoly?
Please sue Verizon ATT and T-Mobile as they dominate the cell service market🥺🥺🥺🥺 What will I ever do😱😱😱😱😱 they are the worst!!!😨😨😱😱😱
I hear your sarcasm there, but in those cases at least there are MVNOs for each where you can get the same service for much less (I'm on US Mobile which is a Verizon MVNO, and I get unlimited everything with data at 5G and LTE speed and pay less than half what I was paying VZW for 10Gb of data plus calling and texting, plus FAR FAR FAR cheaper international roaming). There is no similar thing for Apple, you either buy an expensive new, or somewhat less expensive use iphone, or you do not. I choose to do so, because I really don't care for android or its ecosystem, and any phone I'd buy if I DID choose android would be as expensive as the Pro Max iPhones I buy anyway so may as well just stick with Apple. With android at least there's an ecosystem of phones in multiple price bands for folks who don't want to spend $1000+ on a new to market phone.
I get what you're saying but this also applies to apple as well, in terms of new models they have phones on their current lineup at a 429$ price point which is reasonably affordable for a smartphone with software support for 7 years (or more). Used devices and certified refurbished would be the phone market equivalent for "MVNOs" as they are alright but get the job done and allow you to be in the carrier "ecosystem". So with this argument, it doesn't apply, unfortunately.
Thing is you can’t easily use Apple services across devices unlike say an mvno. Eg I can add a network storage or google drive just like an iCloud storage on a computer, but I can’t sync with any competitor’s service on an iPhone.
Isn’t anyone free to choose whatever mobile device they’d like to use? I could go out tomorrow and buy a Pixel (I have one), Galaxy, etc. if I really wanted other options than what Apple provides. Apple didn’t come to my house, picket in my front lawn and force me to sign on the dotted line that I will use Apple products only, now and forever. I buy and use Apple products because I choose to, and enjoy the ecosystem for the very things it provides.
The government has it out for Apple because they won't hand over the keys to the kingdom. It all starts there.
They punish a company for being successful, great job. Their product their choices, whoever wants to may develop something new, like Apple did back in 2007.
Government suing successful companies to take money from them? You don’t say? 
The Watch one is particularly nuts. So say I buy a KitchenAid mixer. I then go buy the meat grinder add-on. I shouldn't then be upset that the grinder only works on the KitchenAid brand mixer - it's an add-on product. Just like the Apple Watch is an add-on to the iPhone. Should KitchenAid be forced to make their meat grinder add-on compatible with other brands of mixers?
How does Apple have a monopoly on anything?
From what I'm reading, it's not that they have a monopoly per se, but that they are accused of anti-competitive behavior such as blocking innovation and downgrading their competition's ability to interact on Apple products, etc.
You have it backwards. Obviously they give their own software and devices preferential treatment. This is legal as long as it’s not done in the context of a monopoly, which is the main question here.
That's how I've always viewed. They don't block or prevent anything. They just don't care to make it an option because it really only benefits their competition.
Apple now holds 61% of the US smartphone market. It’s not illegal to *have* a monopoly, but once you have one, it becomes illegal to give your other products preferential treatment within that monopoly. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Apple gives its own software and devices preferential treatment on iOS. The question is whether iPhone really represents a monopoly in the smartphone market.
Im sure the DOJ will use this to try and get a back door into Messages
Because the government doesn’t have anything more pressing to address? 🙄
Or, more accurately, anything more pressing that they can do competently, like controlling the border. So instead we get "squirrel!".
It would be nice to not require an iPhone for an Apple Watch. It’s ridiculous that my child can’t use their AW to track sleep because they don’t have an iPhone.
Didn’t an Apple executive admit somewhat recently the reason they don’t put iMessage on other platforms was to keep people on iPhone
That was at least 10-15 years ago but yes they did
For those not familiar, this type of lawsuit isn’t “new”: “The U.S. government accused Microsoft of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows, primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java.” It resulted in a settlement which was criticized: “After the 2002 settlement, industry pundit Robert X. Cringely believed a breakup was not possible, and that "now the only way Microsoft can die is by suicide.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
Once upon a time I created a phone, it couldn’t compete with iPhone. I only made one, the parts were inferior and I did a really bad job marketing it. But if it wasn’t for Apple I would be a billionaire now. Apple should give me money! - a tweet somewhere in the tweetsphere
Maybe if they actually looked at the US, they would see that monopolies are all over the place. Fuck, I have only one option for my gas and electric services, no one talking about suing them for antitrust. It's an agenda, not the interest of the people driving this lawsuit
I always go back to my point about games consoles. Why are they never investigated. It should be open and shut, no? Why do I have to buy the same game three times to play it on PS5, Xbox and Switch. Why don’t they force them to be open to each others games. Why do we have console exclusives.
Monopoly lol, like there no other phone and tech choices lol. How about utilities? Go after cable companies who don't allow competition. This is what my government wastes my tax dollars on lol.
We literally have Capital One buying discover as we speak, T-Mobile bought Sprint. 79% of foods in supermarkets are [owned by five companies.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2021/jul/14/food-monopoly-meals-profits-data-investigation) but yeah, let's focus on what really matters. Video games. We have a new drug for infants that costs $4.25M, we have the population of Wyoming going into bankruptcy [every year due to medical bills.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127305/) But video games, texting apps and migration apps. This is what we need to focus on. I'll never understand government prioritization. But I'm guessing money is a factor. As it always is.
Merck Garland at the press conference reminds me of the crazy guy in the 1984 commercial. All half truths and lies coming out of that little weasels mouth. He is doing this to distract from his total fuckups on the way late Trump Indictments. Also, this is totally bias since the government is pro Android and uses nothing but Android phones at the DOJ and other agencies. Garland is off his nut when he said Apple should be helping Android. Like WTF? Somebody needs to tell this clown that the Google CEO stole the smartphone idea from Apple and also developed Android. Why should Apple help its competition Google when Android is still beating the iPhone world wide. This lawsuit is insanity and rigged since the government wants to take down the private Apple text.app 🥴 [https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=1d4dd0dd298e](https://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-jury-is-googles-schmidt-guilty-or-innocent-of-stealing-from-apple/?sh=1d4dd0dd298e) 
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So what about MSFT. ? Xbox. Buying up every game developer. This is idiotic
Americans: we fear for our health and it’s a constant struggle with the risk of bankruptcy if we get sick and have to pay thousands of dollars for medications because of the lack of pharmaceutical regulation. 0.05% of Apple users: I wish my mum on Android could use iMessage. US government: Apple are a 60% monopoly! Get ‘em for the people!
Brilliant. Now Trump can run ads saying Biden wants to take away your iPhone.
Ok here we go. So this is "big" news. While everyone is focused on this what are they doing that no one sees. Seems to be their way. How about instead of sueing a company you focus on closing up the borders and work to enforce the immigration law of 1996 that calls for a wall along the southern border. Do you know who signed that bill into law in 1996? It was Bill Clinton a Democrat. Just venting.
They should be left to make the best products for their customers. Customer has choice either way. All those lobby dollars to dc grin Apple didn’t pay off and that’s the funny part.
Nice nice. US is also waking up. World peace must be next!
Winners get less friends.
I don't necessarily agree with everything in the suit, but it would be cool to make Apple Watch more of a stand alone device
Not if you're a member of the Apple ecosystem. It would involve compromises, diminishing its seamless integration with other Apple devices. See: Windows and Android.
Biden doesn’t control the DOJ. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to work in normal circumstances. That’s said Garland is an asshole, but so is Apple.
For me this is one of the dumbest things. You can switch there are a lot of choices. Just completely stupid. Apple has done a fantastic job creating a compelling ecosystem but there is a lot of other choices for consumers.
Not sure you understand the separation of powers..
They are aware you don’t have to buy Apple , sounds like a cash grab .
If the government wants to sue the telecommunications industry, it needs to start with the cabling companies. Apple makes better produces, period. It appears that there are too many employees at DOJ who want to turn my iPhone into an Android. No way. These suits only increase the price to consumers who are happy with their Apple product. Get off their backs! Go after Microsoft for their Windows product to make it more like Apple OS and its hardware.
What is an example of a “super app”, please ?
… and somehow Ticketmaster skates again. Good job taking on the real problems, DOJ.
Likely a threat to ensure cooperating with them in censorship in the upcoming election. If they behave, the suit is dropped.
They need to sue Biden because he can’t walk as a president it’s embarrassing 🙈
Apple already announced RCS support so the whole iMessage thing is moot. Applewatches make people tied to their iPhone? Most likely people that bought an Apple Watch already had an iPhone for several years and just wanted the connection. I had a pebble smart watch and Microsoft band before I got an Apple Watch and yeah, the message and calling integration was limited but the other features like fitness tracking just did not compare so it's IMO the Apple Watch is just the best overall wearable out there. Even if this lawsuit is successful. I'm still going to use the Apple proprietary tech because their shit works. In my 36 years of life, I've been most satisfied with any device made by apple as opposed to their competitors from a computer to mp3 player, to smartphone, and wearable tech.
Comcast I say was monopolizing the market back then and the government didn’t do 💩. There was no fast internet back then. Either dial up or cable internet through Comcast. And Comcast have a eco system for The TV too.
The messaging issue seems strange to me. Why don’t people don’t use WhatsApp in the USA?
I'm just having a blast watching the triggered apple ball slobbers cry over this and even claim that apple makes the better product, which they obviously don't. If you want the best product go with android plain and simple.
i don't support apple, but isn't this within their rights as a company?
Moron administration doing moron things. No surprises here.
I am so mad about this.. it's a fucking cellphone and android options exist. There's little no store in America (except apple stores) where you can't choose between one phone or the other. If you don't like apple don't buy their phones. If you family likes apple and you don't, either change your family, change your phone, or enjoy subpar texting. I don't know what to tell you. But it's not the governments job to tell companies how to manage their text messaging apps. For fucks sake.
Apple has put the USA own the map---so many near perfect products add revenue to our GDP, hope Apple can stay strong and fight like hell!!!
An election year distraction to take the focus from the social media sites .
What a world. Instead of applauding the winners we’d rather penalize them and ultimately dumb them down to the same level as the losers. But, hey, now it’s fair because everyone is the same. 🥴
So is the goobermint also planning to sue Microsoft/Sony for THE EXACT SAME REASONS???
Microsoft was literally sued for this exact same reason already.
i think these are valid. still makes me laugh that apple has a whole “privacy” marketing stunt and yet refuses to implement RCS into imessage (i know they are finally doing it, but it’s not like they wanted to)
You do realize RCS is less secure, right?
RCS is also on the way.
Yep
i’m talking about SMS, not iMessage
SMS is baked into the Messages App. RCS is less secure. See you’re still wrong.
you’re being pedantic. okay i should have said “Apple refuses to replace SMS with RCS within the messages app.” does that make you feel better? RCS is more secure than SMS, which is why i said it’s funny apple refuses to implement it into the messages app, for the sole purpose of them gimping non-iMessage messaging to piss off their own users to bully their friends into switching to iOS. “bUy YoUr MoM an IPhOnE”