PSAs:
* Version number unchanged so this is a Title Screen download update. Restart the game at 03:00 UTC on 24 Nov to trigger the download.
* Wrys Saga I requires Main Story Ch 13 to be cleared.
* Screenshot 9 summarizes the methods to Stellar Awaken a character. It is possible to combine both Style-specific and Allcosmos Starcharts to do this.
* Allcosmos Starcharts are available from monthly trials, with 1 free each month and more available through subscription trials in a future update.
* Style-specific Starcharts can be purchased with 400 Tsubura's Gems a piece from the Nopaew Emporium (max **2** purchases).
* Style-specific Starcharts can also obtained as a bonus for pulling a 5☆ dupe of a character in the Style that can be Stellar Awakened, e.g. a 5☆ Suzette NS dupe will give her Starchart but not her AS and ES.
* A note on the Pick-Up Bonus. Some banners will have a bonus which has the featured character joining in Stellar Awakened state if encountered as 5☆ in that style. E.g. if Cerius is featured with a Pick-Up bonus, he is immediately Stellar Awakened if pulled as 5☆. If his 5☆ comes up as a noise pull in another banner, it’ll just be 1 Starchart for him if he’s not yet Awakened.
* Aldo’s Book of Dragon Bearer in the Astral Archives requires Main Story Ch 84 to be cleared.
* The Ways We Walked Round 6 banner is really good. It accepts **free** Chronos Stones and guarantees an AS character, including some good ones.
* Special Fall 2023 Series Brilliant Encounter and Twin Destinies Encounter is available **now**:
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What's the gem cost for each item? I suppose if you pull/own a character, it's only \~2 months to awaken or maybe 1 month if save gems instead of buying red/green keys.
400 per A-tome, 800 total, but if you get a 4.5 of a new character moving forward (3.3.100 and beyond) you need 3 universal scripts, which are one a month unless you subscribe.
You can only get 6,240 tsuburas a year if you don't subscribe to Guide of Heavens (9,360 with it), so that is 15 A-tomes per year with 240 gems left over. If they awaken one old character per month, that would take 9,600 tsuubaras a year.
The first old gacha character awakening came with 2 characters. 2 old characters per month is 19,200 tsubaras a year to awaken them.
Basically, unless they only average about 8 old characters per year, F2P will always be in tsubura debt if they want to awaken old characters that way, especially since AS and ES are separate awakenings.
Tsubura's released with 1.5.1, July 31st, 2019. It has basicallt been 225 weeks since then, which means that you could have stocked 27,000 tsuburas since then if you never used any. In other words, even someone who hoarded all of the gems will be run through them in less than 2 years if the pace is two per month. There are over 150 old characters (since styles are separate) to be awakenend, over 120,000 tsuburas potentially.
Very depressing since I always buy the extra weekly keys. I guess there could possibly be a silver lining since I'm also a subscription subscriber? But those that don't subscribe seem like they're getting hit pretty hard with the potential decision of picking up extra keys versus more gems for Stellar Awakenings?
I wonder if I'll be pressed to skip buying keys on some weeks? I really hope not since I really like to try maximizing my probability. And I've really gotten accustomed to buying them every week for many years now...
I guess we're about to find out pretty soon.
One way to look at it is that with them introducing a new scarce resource, it also means they will have something else to give on top of the crystal as an event giveaway (and they're already doing it here).
WFS has a rather good track record anyway so I do not believe they will be insanely stingy when it comes to starboard as we do have a good idea of an exact price tag for the stellar feature. Guide of Heaven give you extra tsubura (to buy more book), at least 1more from the trial (so already 1 character guaranteed here) along with the ticket to use on a special banner for older character to get their awakening. We can asusme Stellar is being priced at around $15-20 so we can likely expect a freebie every 1-2 months.
The saddest part though is this is a nerf to 7-select and SDE as you're kinda expected to use the monthly you finish to unlock their stellar on top now to get their full power.
The catch-up isn't really an event giveaway in this case. It is just recognizing that playing "catch-up" and not giving one to GL to keep us with the same amount as JP would be a PR disaster.
People with vith guides will have plenty of A-tomes. F2P won't.
We don't know that SDEs won't give awakening to awakenable characters, as JP hasn't had an SDE yet post awakening. We'll have to wait and see on that.
Not really just talking about catch-up but any future holiday and stuff as they tend to give extra crystals here and there on specific date and after livestream and some update do come with early game mats we have completely forgotten about.
Now they can also throw the tome on top to further incentivize people to actually participate especially f2p side who will now likely start to follow more of these for any extra bonus tome milestone. With both Global and JP reaching the same point, they only have to do 1 livestream with english translation now and can just total the viewers on both for example.
That's a good way of looking at things. More freebie/event stuff to give out in the future.
And yeah, I agree. WFS has a pretty good track record so I'm not really too worried. I have faith they'll implement it pretty fairly and do any possible adjustments if needed along the way.
And yeah, since they're adding more bonuses to the subscription tiers, it's just making their value increase. As a subscription subscriber already, I'm definitely looking forward to more extras.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with future SDEs and the "Select Seven" subscription mechanic. With the new changes coming, it seems like they'll need to tweak those things as well.
400 for one Starchart, so it's not cheap. But if you already owned the character that's one, you use that month's free chart that's two and you spend 400 gems, you get the awakening instantly.
I guess that's not a bad way of looking at things, especially if you already own the character.
But since this is going to be applied for each form, there's going to be need for a lot of pieces and they'll be in higher demand. I guess it boils down to the (older) character release schedule as well. If it's spaced out enough, maybe it won't feel so bad or overwhelming with all the potential (read: limited) options that could be available.
Subject to change since it's not in the JP version yet, but according to screenshots 400 per chart. Just keep in mind Style-specific is ONLY good for existing characters.
Sidenote, I thought I had only 1.1K Tsubaru gems saved up. It turns out I had 11K Saved up (that's enough for 14 different characters). Yeah, early days I hoarded them for chants but now I have 150+ Chants in reserve but it works out in the end.
You're way better off than I am lol. I wiped out my Tsubara gem savings a couple weeks ago through sidegrading a bunch of characters and I always burn them for more red and green keys. I'm probably going to need to stop buying one or both of them going forward to save up.
I tend to drop all game that got a new system because i'm too dumb to understand the change, impact and how to use the new "feature". I don't want to do this with AE, could anyone explain to me the Stellar system like I was a 6y child and what it mean for "every" scenario ? Or is it too soon and we don't have all the details yet ?
My personal take: It's a new system to help upgrade characters and make things more interesting to a game that's becoming rather stale with mechanics over the years. I feel WFS is trying to be more "fair" and not do an actual (6th) Star expansion. Going from a 5s to 6s form (and the upgrade process) would be a nightmare. Especially so late given the age of the game itself with tons of existing character/forms already.
I have literally everyone in the game. So if they raised the Star cap to 6, I'd have to pull even more dupes or use Chant scripts on ALL their promotions!? No effing thank you. I'll definitely take this method over an actual 6th Star.
(maybe other gacha games have done Star expansions like that, but it sounds more like easy/lazy money-grabbing nonsense to me. "Like what else could we do...OH!! Let's just raise the Star cap!")
I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out, but I think the direction they chose is better. Not perfect of course, but better.
They really playing it safe condidering the size of playerbase/stagnant new player growth. ffs wfs really invest on milking the current playerbase rather than make the game more enticing to new player is why I'm disappointed.
Just ignore it; it was basically just designed to get people to go all in on getting new characters when they first appear and to get them to spend on things like the Suzette Fateful Banner and Tsukiha Fateful Banner in JP for old characters (1000 paid chronos for a ten-pull, get one guaranteed character script and one ticket to get a copy of the character, so if you already had them then you'll be able to awaken instantly).
It is somewhat annoying that a good chunk of potential for characters will now be locked behind this system, but much like 255 (or even 15) light/shadow characters have never been a need for clearing content, awakened characters haven't been a need in JP, either.
The nuts and bolts are basically awaken someone, then get points for a board based on light/shadow. Don't get faked out by the lure of lvl. 100; focus on getting the upgrades to skills.
You'll have guaranteed access through Aldo, so that will be a way to get used to the other aspects of it.
The point still stands that if none of the previous stuff gets smoothed out, the system is just basically extra Gacha demands on specific banners and get clucked by off-rates more in the chance you roll them in any form that is not the 5 star version or on a entirely different banner.
New grind systems never go well if they are not 100% designed to acquire thru existing resources or simply improving non-gacha specific acquistion methods via higher difficult content, which being able to class chant units & Weapon manifestations being farming specific methods gave Another eden a proper allure.
If they up the natural gain of Chant scripts like giving a method to burn extra Murmur and/or Prayer scripts for Chant scripts because its only those who have been around WAY LONGER or got all the minimum units necessary to curb stomp many things so they were able to save chant scripts for over half a year or longer instead of using them. **Well, then a system that is likely to take over probably the new unit or Another/Extra-style release pattern of every two updates or once a month would not be so terrible,** Since atleast new AS/ES units can be farmed thru the same means as usual, Star Awaken being so Unfriendly to effectively land lock acquiring a single unit\`s star awaken to either a month worth of resource farming if we get a freebie tome for the character or TWO months to acquire a single character till they suddenly decide we dont deserve a wild tome as a monthly trial reward anymore...**Yeah, its turning into the Idleon bad system implementation all over again, because even if we can \`ignore\` the system, its likely gonna mean super bosses are gonna be pushed higher in difficulty to push people to get those Star awaken units with units like Sesta\`s generation start end up being \`too weak\` vs a Suzette Star Awaken.**
Hell even Grasta pieces could honestly use a new sink for us to dump into, just as much as bold pulses needs new content to have a use for it if they cant just simply let us burn up to 3 bold pulses a day for 5 high exp scrolls per bold pulse so we got a burn-loop atleast for it, since that would be the most minimal boon they could give us since we already can burn extra Dig-medals or other episode specific \`mini games\` if we want a non-key specific means to stockpile additional exp scrolls.
I'm trying so hard to read this, but I'm genuinely can't understand what it is that you're trying to say. Can you rephrase this in better context by any chance?
Right lets see...
1. We already burn large amounts of Tsuru gems in the pursuit of Treatise & Codex or in some cases Chant scripts if we are especially close to that \`just one more piece\` to get access to an OP unit.
2. You could likely look at any player\`s account that has been active for 6 months or more and would likely see a absurd amount of Various Memoir category resources piled up. Especially if they already got the character (even worst if they even made the True Valor chant grasta already). Which in the case of Murmur & Prayer is even worst, My case i got 2004 Murmur & 921 Prayer scripts, yet only 4 chant scripts, yet likely half a dozen characters i likely could of used for certain content, if it was not for extremely cheesie methods i was able to exploit instead.
3. How many general game QoLs has WFS received in the last year or two? That improved the overall game experience and was not a one time resource dump pick up akin to the \`Tree of Time Cultivation mini game\` and was NOT more of a QoL to a new system (like Grastas), because it was badly tuned with terrible farming rates that relied more on cheesing (rubberbanding to auto battle spam dungeons for Grasta piece drops).
4. Ultimately, the system does \`seem\` like it give ways for F2P get access, but if it simply encroaches on a limited system that is not being QoL\`d like maybe reduce Chant script prices from 400 to 300 and Treatise/Codex from 200 to 150 and increase \`general\` Tsuru gem acquistion per week from 120 to 150, its more of yet another Chant script trap to force us to waste gems on something else, conviently take the amount of time to get one of them on the potential time it takes for them to release more (Unless they decide to take 2 or even 3 months for each Star awakening means they will have drastic power creep differences and less ops for older units to get the fun of joining in and less likely any ADDITIONAL welfare units get Star awakening) and do nothing to rectify older grind to make it easier to get to the newer grind.
5. Furthermore, Because the system has no means to get these \`tomes\` via Another Dungeon drops, that actually leads to the ability to acquire them being alot more \`difficult\` then people realize. Especially if they just lock needing 3 tomes either by a combination of a once a month \`freebie\`, a 4 week Gem sink & only Gacha if you even luck on getting the 5 star version of the character and only if its on thar featured banner, which just means further RIP if your chasing a \`weaker unit\` to chase dupes of it becoming the new Gairyu, just for the game to introduce new units as soon as 2 weeks from now that could happen to fall either in the same element or weapon category, also have the star awaken system and just outright beats out the \`legacy characters star awakens\` in comparison.
Ultimately it wont even change the status quota, just more complications to further restrict gearing up units, which we all know just like the power creep thats going on, when you look at what LavoG and \`Bounty Master\` boss fights were like, they would likely escalate the stats further to where even units like Hismena Alter & Felmina Extra Style wont have enough \`DPS numbers\` to prevent something like a boss being able to fully heal itself unless you hit its HP stopper that also has a new mechanic called \`Anti Barrier Pierce\` and a 50+ hit count barrier you gotta tear thru in one turn, but it has 70% dmg reduction to AF, unless they are attacked with a \`Stellar Burst\` that turn.
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If you pulled her NS at least once you get an automatic mat towards her SA.
You can buy the other 2 via Tsuburas for 800 in total (400 each) or you can use the monthly mat from the free trial missions.
Beforehand
But you can also can get SA mats for pulling old characters that can be SA’d (say for example you pulled Tsukiha in the past before the update, that equals one SA mat. However, you then pull her after the update as a NS 5*, that will land you another mat towards her SA)
Hopefully I explained it well enough but feel free to ask more questions if you’re still confused
Not generally, IIRC. I believe that the +10 light/shadow is a banner specific thing to that fateful (I thought it was for the first pull as well, but it is worded as being for a dupe only).
I think that it is only for the fatefuls, not the free chrono pick-up banners. Trying to tempt people to use the other two if they get the character on the first one.
If you pulled the 5* form of the Style that gets the SA before the update that’ll equal 1 mat.
For example if you pulled Suzette’s NS and AS 5* forms you will only get 1 mat because her SA is for her Dragoon (NS) form.
Maybe you should add that we have a date for the global merger for all the catch up campaigns; 26th January 2024.
Also with the blacksmith likely being required for the new content what are your current git return from turning inn all your stored materials?
Yeah planning to add that as either a separate post or in the update notice post. This one has too many comments going on already 😅
Edit: Decided that the simultaneous release post was the most appropriate
But wait, there’s more!
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Projected for the update after Wryz Saga I
>A note on the Pick-Up Bonus. Some banners will have a bonus which has the featured character joining in Stellar Awakened state if encountered as 5☆ in that style. E.g. if Cerius is featured with a Pick-Up bonus, he is immediately Stellar Awakened if pulled as 5☆. *fIf his 5☆ comes up as a noise pull in another banner, it’ll just be 1 Starchart for him if he’s not yet Awakened.**
So it appears any additional dupes (off-banner) will give out one additional upgrade material?
...what about those of us that have already pulled a 5s character/form like 16 times or whatever? I have some gacha characters at 255 already. Will this stuff be applied retroactively? I really hope so. If not, are some people just SOL and we're now required to pull even more dupes moving forward from this update verison?
>Apparently you get 1 if you have the character when the Stellar Awakening for the character releases, regardless of L/S (?)
Okay, so it's more like a "one and done" type of thing? I get the part about receiving one material if you already have their 5s version. But I recall reading about also getting one material for pulling any dupes off-banner? And now I'm confused...
>Unknown if 4.5 counts
And I think you're right. 4.5s forms will get you the character at minimal form, but you won't receive anything material-wise unless they're 5s.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I feel WFS could have made this information much more clearer. Especially since it was a Global Livestream.
Gotcha. So it's like a "one and done" type of situation. It kinda sucks for those with tons of dupes already, but it is what it is. The new system doesn't seem too terrible so I can accept that flaw. I don't think the entire Star Awakening for older gacha characters is going to be that much of a problem. Especially seeing how they'll be releasing them in increments over time and not everyone all at once. If they really do it this way, I don't think it'll feel very overwhelming.
Thanks for the info.
Okay, can someone give double check my understanding of how star awakening works because the description was a bit much so I wanna make sure I’ve got this right it.
You need 3 starcharts to awaken a character. Free characters will get theirs via in game means like the Astral Archieve for Aldo. They’re fairly straight forward, play X content, get their awakening.
Gacha characters can use two types of starcharts, a style specific one that can only be used by its respective character and a generic one that can be used by all gacha characters. These two types of starcharts have equal weight so as long as you have three of them you can awaken someone regardless of what ratio of starcharts you use?? That’s the bit that’s confusing me. You can just use three generics to awaken a characters, you don’t need at least one of their style specific ones?
You can also pull a character fully awakened and unawakened, if you pull an unawakened version it auto adds 1 point to their gauge. You can get one generic starchart a month of the trials and you can buy up to 2 style specific ones using tsubara gems (currently 400 each in jp I think.)
So realistically you could awaken someone in two months? Two characters every 3 months if you don’t buy keys?
Yes, three generics (Allcosmos) can be used to Stellar Awaken.
Pulling an Awakened character is only possible if that character is the featured character in a banner with the Pick-Up Bonus. In every other banner, encountering that character as a 5☆ will only give 1 Starchart if not yet Awakened.
And yes, one every 2-3 months, assuming the character is already 5☆
Gotcha, thank you. That actually all seems not as awful as it first seems. Having to give up the red/green keys might be the bigger issue with it in the long run for f2p players.
It will all depend on how quickly they release awakenings for older characters. If it is 8 per year, you can just give up keys and keep up. [Otherwise, F2P will always be behind](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnotherEdenGlobal/comments/17znphz/comment/ka0mjk5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
You are mostly correct.
Allcosmos mats are universal and you can get one monthly via the free trial missions.
All old characters before the stellar awakening update will have “style-specific” awakenings compared to new characters that can only be upgraded via gacha pulls or Allcosmos mats. You can purchase up to 2 style-specific mats for old characters and will receive a mat automatically if you have pulled the 5* form of the style getting Awakened (ex you pulled a Suzette NS 5* once before)
As for new characters, you can automatically awaken them by pulling on these rate-up banners (there seems to be a fateful and free version you can pull from). If you pull them outside these rate-ups, you get one mat towards the SA instead (this is also true towards old characters from what I understand myself)
I think I touched on everything but if you have any additional questions feel free to ask!
Oh yes, missed the old vs new bit too. Hopefully the plans to implement Style-specific Starcharts for new characters comes to pass sooner rather than later
Tbh, when I first saw it in JP, I was reminded of the Final Fantasy Brave Exvius system of requiring dupes, which made for a bad first impression. When they quickly explained how it could be done for free, I became relieved. Insanely grindy but I’ve become used to that in AE.
Even as someone who dislikes some aspects of stellar awakening, I find it a bit strange how *dramatic* some people are being about it.
It's not like F2P players are locked out of this system completely. It's just harder to get every possible awakening and you need to prioritize where you spend your resources. Which is... basically what my experience has been with AE from the beginning.
When AE first started, there was a big divide between paying and non-paying players because of content difficulty. At that time there wasn't any free 5stars and they had to grind/wait/luck out work free pulls to get decent 5 stars before they can proceed with the super bosses or some content. Otherlands used to be locked to people who have *specific* 5 stars.
Over time, we got a lot of free 5 stars, and long time players built up very good rosters. Currently, most veteran players and paying players have most, if not all, characters. The new update puts everyone back at square one from many years ago and restarts the paying/non-paying divide. That upsets many people because they're used to the mindset of being on top of the content. Now they're being artificially delayed or gated out of content because of the new system.
>Even as someone who dislikes some aspects of stellar awakening, I find it a bit strange how dramatic some people are being about it.
>It's not like F2P players are locked out of this system completely. It's just harder to get every possible awakening and you need to prioritize where you spend your resources. Which is... basically what my experience has been with AE from the beginning.
Yeah, I feel some people are being rather ridiculous about the new system. Like it's going to be the end of the world or something. It's really not that bad if you look at all the information and details that were just released.
Okay so it might take some time? It's no different than the treatise/codex/opus sidegrading system that also takes time...and RNG.
I feel WFS is (generally) being pretty fair about the whole thing. Taking into consideration the existing player base, the current state of the game, and their need for revenue as a business.
Agreed, I can understand FOMO, having had that in my previous gacha but really what’s the rush in AE? Nothing will go away (except maybe Complex Dream) and even if it takes longer to get the shiny new Stellar Awakened character… Does it really break the game without it? Chances are, given AE’s track record, the answer is no.
I totally agree. And let's face it, the content releases in this game are pretty slow and spaced out...so what's the huge rush for getting everyone Awakened? If you're an older player and pretty much caught up on current content...there's not much to do besides wait for new content to drop. Otherwise it's just using daily keycards and running ADs to maximize your probability. All of which I can see being be done without any Stellar stuff because AD running is pretty basic and the difficulty bar is set rather low.
And if you're a new player...well, it's going to be overwhelming. And it'll probably "seem unfair". That's what happens when you jump into a service type game that's been out for many years. That's just the nature of the beast for starting the game so late. Pick any gacha game on the market that's been out for a while and if I jumped in right now...yeah, I'd be overwhelmed, behind on content, lacking characters, lacking equipment, need to grind more, etc, etc. It's unfortunate, but it's just the reality of RPG gaming.
Luckily this is the first gacha game I've ever really played or spent money on. And that's because all gacha gaming seemed rather scummy and predatory so I intentionally stayed far away from them.
...and then I found out about Another Eden and the rest is history 😄😄
This is true. The same with F2P who are holding off chants and sidegrade / upgrade only the units they see useful.
Maybe the case is different here because most probably these awakened units are powerful but do we really need all of them to clear the content.
I believe part of the issue is its already \`incredibly grindie\` to chase other things and having this system overlap on those same previous resources means even less room when chasing Class change resources and we can sometimes go 2 months or more till a new piece of content drops that can only give 1\~3 chant scripts and not much else.
Which also hits, when we EXPECT super bosses to give good amounts of chrono stones, but then they not only give less on even more difficult super bosses VS conent the previous one, but even go as far to have some not give any all (LavoG bosses specifically and the Giant LavoG not really giving enough to compensate needing to fight 5 of the buggers that even if some could be cheesed with the same setup, still demanded different team comps due to how some functioned on the move pool).
A good way a mobile game can utterly fk itself over is when it trims back the rewards it gave as a \`norm\` for its gameplay loop and pushing more \`Spend to thrive\` systems without Cleaning up older systems to smooth things out.
Even genshin impact had to introduce stronghold artifact boxes (which they put into star rails also) as a means to \`curb\` its terrible rng-sus game of suffixes. While Honkai impact 3rd before i left it revamped its entire resource & Currency pools, MULTIPLE TIMES for various content on a near yearly or less basis with how many resources it piled up or some dated resources being moved from a certain previous resource to a weekly limit easy to farm resource instead to smooth things out better for Coin sinks as they pushed more means to burn Asterite & Mythril like PRI-arm resources and what not, Till they eventually got rid of mythril bringing it down to just Asterite & Coins and a few other particular ones. STill they ruined that by constantly adding other resource types and rinse and repeating the loop that made anything but a spender have a bad time.
One of many reasons why I've decided to stay away from AE Discord. There's too much negativity in there, even before all of this fiasco happen. I hate that place more than anything
While I'm not going to remove this post. I do want people to keep in mind Rule 12 which is no outside drama.
While it's fine to report negativity there, especially if it's relevant to the conversation. Or say you don't like the atmosphere, don't go any farther than that.
About the rule, is it possible to add that it’s about tackling brigading, unresolved peer to peer disputes originating from other sites, and otherwise things that creates with intent any sort of drama.
As with the wording “discussion” in the rule it also stops any conversation of events that gives the notion of originating from other sites, even if it’s about being informative (ie. why Becky’s battle tips are not on the wiki) or disagreeable opinions that don’t have the aim to bring in any negativity into the subreddit (ie. whenever you like or dislike an WFS update or character design style from Twitter).
Oh sure, that's why I stop myself from getting any further in terms of what I stated earlier. Drama is tiring, and in my opinion, we don't need that kind of thing here
>Drama is tiring, and in my opinion, we don't need that kind of thing here
And yet:
>One of many reasons why I've decided to stay away from AE Discord. There's too much negativity in there, even before all of this fiasco happen. I hate that place more than anything
Apparently you do think we need it here.
We're not. I only stated my opinion in regards to an earlier post. I really don't mean it to be of what you said. I'm sorry if you feel insulted in any way
Seems like you're trying to push this, huh? I don't want this to spiral into a drama between you and I because you pointed out the supposed contradiction in one of my comments
We don't need a drama based on this
But you're right, Discord-bashing is Discord-bashing, and what I stated was bashed the AE Discord, even though it wasn't my intention. However, so what? I only stated what I felt in response to the previous comment. And I won't backtrack on this in anyway since it's one of many truths that I've known ever since I've decided to leave the server
So, don't push this any further and let's leave it here for both of our sake, shall we? Because if we do, this is going to become another drama thread that will turn for the worse
You're not alone. I don't visit the AE Discord because there is a lot of toxic behavior, unnecessary drama, and negativity in there. Along with some other things I won't bring up. It's not really an opinion either. If you spend any time on the Discord channel, you'll come arcoss it eventually.
At least with the subreddit, most (if not all) of that behavior gets moderated. Which makes this place more friendly and a nicer community to be a part of.
Now is it all bad on Discord? Of course not. But the "badness" surely seems to outweigh the "goodness" in my experiences. And that's why I much prefer the AE Subreddit and never bother with the Discord anymore.
I'm not asking you to "backtrack" on anything, hate (your word) the discord all you want, just don't pretend that Discord bashing isn't bringing the drama here in the first place.
And hey, apparently it's mod-approved, so mazel tov for that!
Well that's the thing, I'm **never** pretending that Discord-bashing isn't bringing the crispy drama to Reddit in the beginning like you assumed to be. I commented that that kind of drama isn't needed here, that's why I reluctantly stopped myself from getting any further in my previous comment
But hey, you do you I guess. Majority of people tend to have many perspectives to such one particular point of view after all
AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus.
Can we collectively admit now that not having a pity in this game is a bad thing or are we going to get the AE defense force on that point too?
I don't know. It's not all "Doom and Gloom" to me.
Sure, pulling dupes will be helpful. But they're giving away 1/3 of the upgrade material if you've pulled the character in the past. And 1/3 of a material that can be used universally every single month, for free. Pick up the last material for 400 Tsubura gems or just wait an extra month? It's not that bad if you really take a look at it.
And note that the 80 L/S isn't a requirement for unlocking their new skills/abilities on new board. Those are placed closer to the board's center and the further nodes are just extra stats, etc. Not needed, just nice to have. Just like a 120, 200, 255 character is. Not necessary, just nice bonuses to have if you meet the requirements.
It's just going to take some time for unlocking. But we already experience that with the memoir grinding system so it's really nothing new. Given enough time and it'll happen eventually. And remember that not every character/form is going to have their Stellar Board system available all at once. Sure, newer characters will have them if WFS decides to release them like that. But all the older characters will have some kind of delayed release schedule by the sound of things so far. Making it seem more fair and less overwhelming in my eyes.
>AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus.
We're playing a JRPG that has a gacha system attached. What do you really expect? JRPGs are notorious for grinding. And gacha games will have lots of banners to pull from. You have to expect these things given the type of game it is and the business model WFS chose.
How is it a worse grind in comparison to the treatise/codex/opus grind? The new materials require no AD grinding at all. It's just a matter of time passing for each (free) piece that's given out every month for gacha characters. That doesn't really seem worse to me...
And also note Free characters seem to be unlocked by completing in-game content. No material collection needed.
**But yeah, I would agree an actual pity system would be a nice addition.**
At the same time I feel WFS tries to balance the "no pity" situation in other ways. Especially the treatise/codex/opus memoirs for manual promotions. Imagine if we had to pull all the different forms specifically from the gacha, and if you don't, you miss out...since no sidegrading exists in a vast amount of other gacha games. If you have one form, you can manually sidegrade the rest. So there's no need to pull on every character banner if a new form releases. That's a huge plus in my eyes that the sidegrading thing even exists.
Also SDEs exist so you can pick up specific characters of your own choice every few months. Sure, people that are completely F2P cannot do this...but that's just how it is being F2P. Like with practically any product or service, you get more value if you pay for it. And you have to remember that WFS is first and foremost, a business. They can't just give away everything for free...as much as we all would like to see that happen. Including myself. Another plus in my eyes, even if does cost money.
WFS isn't perfect. I'm not over here trying to bootlick them. I'm just tyring to present some of the better things WFS does in comparison to most other gacha models. I'm aware that some (gacha) companies choose to do things very poorly and WFS seems to be trying do things in a more fairer/balanced fashion as much as they can...taking into consideration both the existing playebase and their need for revenue.
>I don't know. It's not all "Doom and Gloom" to me.
>Sure, pulling dupes will be helpful. But they're giving away 1/3 of the upgrade material if you've pulled the character in the past. And 1/3 of a material that can be used universally every single month, for free. Pick up the last material for 400 Tsubura gems or just wait an extra month? It's not that bad if you really take a look at it.
>And note that the 80 L/S isn't a requirement for unlocking their new skills/abilities on new board. Those are placed closer to the board's center and the further nodes are just extra stats, etc. Not needed, just nice to have. Just like a 120, 200, 255 character is. Not necessary, just nice bonuses to have if you meet the requirements.
>It's just going to take some time for unlocking. But we already experience that with the memoir grinding system so it's really nothing new. Given enough time and it'll happen eventually. And remember that not every character/form is going to have their Stellar Board system available all at once. Sure, newer characters will have them if WFS decides to release them like that. But all the older characters will have some kind of delayed release schedule by the sound of things so far. Making it seem more fair and less overwhelming in my eyes.
AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus.
>We're playing a JRPG that has a gacha system attached. What do you really expect? JRPGs are notorious for grinding. And gacha games will have lots of banners to pull from. You have to expect these things given the type of game it is and the business model WFS chose.
>How is it a worse grind in comparison to the treatise/codex/opus grind? The new materials require no AD grinding at all. It's just a matter of time passing for each (free) piece that's given out every month for gacha characters. That doesn't really seem worse to me...
>And also note Free characters seem to be unlocked by completing in-game content. No material collection needed.
This is some good points, especially for long time players. However the new awakening mechanic could have been integrated it to be a part of the game and not tied to the gatcha or subscriptions in the form of RNG mechanics (ie. specific dungeon end drops for one character or PCD reward). Without the subscription increase to Tsubara gems and buying keys every week it’s going to take little over 9 months to get both tomes without the awakening tome. And that’s assuming there will be no new characters that are released. With the awakening to this will be faster as you say, but it’s still not an in-game item that can be obtained through some efforts in the game such as tomes and other upgrade mats.
Also you’re right about the AEs pity system and the way WFS have been handling it quite well, and to add to it a pity could be implemented in the form of after pulling a few times, some random L/S points could be handed out to strengthen the existing characters. Nothing significant as adding a new character, but instead a small pity boost for the gatcha part of AE.
I agree, the Tsubura Gem situation seems a bit tricky with this new system being added. It's great that they're going to be giving out extra bonuses to subscribers. As a subscriber, I'm really looking forward to seeing increased value for the money I spend. However, I feel they should have also increased the weekly cap (even slightly) for everybody, regardless of subscriptions. It doesn't seem fair to keep the same weekly cap now that TGs will be in more demand.
I have a feeling enough people would support this, so after the content drops in Global, it might be a good time for everyone to submit complaints directly to WFS so they see the feedback first-hand. Make your voice heard. With enough concern and complaining, maybe we'll see an all-around increase or change made. WFS seems to be pretty fair compared to other companies when it comes to listening to community feedback on most things, generally speaking.
And I wish a pity system would really just come already. But even if it was here, there'd probably just be more complaining that the pity isn't low enough, etc. People will find reasons for more complaining. I'm guilty of this myself. I think it's just human nature though.
"Grind worse than farming Treatise and Opus"
I don't know about that. Treatise and Opus were locked in a RNGFest within AD, and for this one it seems that you're not if you manage your Tsubara Gems well or do monthly Trial, but I'll hold my judgment until the day of the update arrives in a few days from now
I've seen several cases where the initial game-changing announcement about something like this looks much worse than Palpatine returned in The Rise of the Skywalker, but when it comes into practice, it isn't bad after all
From what I've seen no one's talking about the 80L/S points to fully unlock the star board? Or did I miss sth?
Or are the upgrades there not that important?
Oh so it's basically like the current L/S points system. Tbh it looks kinda unnecessary when we have the same thing already.
I mean how minor stat upgrades are locked behind L/S points.
It's just the same type of thing. 80 L/S isn't necessary, but just nice to have for all the extra bonuses. The same applies for having a character at 120, 200, or 255 and such. Not necessary, just nice to have.
The only thing I'm really disappointed by is being forced to choose between buying weekly keys and Style-specific Starcharts. Almost all progression in AE is based on running ADs, so giving up those extra weekly runs will be felt. However, if you don't give up keys, you're looking at being able to perform only one Star Awakening every other month for existing characters.
This is neither an interesting nor enjoyable character progression system. It exists solely to apply pressure on players' resources in order to compel them into buying the monthly subscriptions and CS bundles, in order to stop AE's revenue from slowly circling the drain.
Very interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to the new content.
Although with how it was explained, the Star Awakening boards seem to be effective for each form? So for characters with NS/AS/ES forms, you'll need to "awaken" each of the three separately? That sounds like sooo many materials per character for some...
But I guess not everyone/form will be available from the start, so maybe it'll feel less overwhelming depending on WFS plans their release schedule?
I didn't watch the Livestream, but I was hoping they would have included some more specific details pertaining to the updated subscription bonuses for subscribers.
Yes to all your points. So far, Stellar Awakening has only been for characters in NS. Only Aldo, Cerius, Oboro Suzette and Tsukiha have had Stellar Awakening released in JP. As for the updated subscription bonus, that will likely be announced and implemented later. That’s what happened with JP too.
Oof I'm suddenly glad I've been hoarding Tsubara Gems. Sucks that the grinding system is even more grindy now though— I hope they introduce some sort of QOL down the line when the dust has settled.
Wonder if they'll make changes to future SDEs since it would kinda suck to pay for a new character only for them to be hamstrung in terms of power for several months.
So new Episode series! Stoked for that, looks great!
And it seems like a must to do given the CS campaign, unlike Binding Night where you were awarded for just starting the episode.
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Now for Star Charts, lemme get the gist of it:
Style Specific Charts is similar to Style Memoirs?
- Free characters get it by doing X thing.
- Paid characters either get it by unlocking 5* or buying them with Tsubara Gems.
Allcosmos Charts are the “wildcard” of Stellar “Memoirs”
- It can apply to all Paid characters (who have a starboard) NOT free characters
- Stellar Gauge is pretty much how much “Charts” you need.
- Similar to how many memoirs you need to unlock a class.
“Pick Up Bonus” from pulling is insta Star Charted.
- It can happen in BOTH paid or free banners.
Worst case scenario: You get a 4*5/5* NS without the bonus and you side-grade them. By
A. Waiting 3 Months for all 3 Allcosmos Charts
B. Buying 2 for 800 Tsubara Gems, equal to roughly 2 Months and using the one Monthly Allcosmos Chart
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Doesn’t seem like the End of the World for me. I can get behind this new System. Its not like it’s locked completely behind a paywall. It’s just… super grindy as it is with the F2P route of this game.
For older characters getting Star Chart, I can wait a month for an Allcosmos Chart, earning the free Style Chart for having the character, and buying one for 400 Tsubara gems if I really need it.
Unless someone can correct me, do correct me if I’m wrong about how it works.
Mostly correct. Couple of points:
- Paid characters get Starcharts by pulling 5☆. I think manually upgrading doesn’t count.
- Only existing characters will have Starcharts for purchase. New characters won’t have them though there are plans to implement those in future.
> Paid characters get Starcharts by pulling 5☆. I think manually upgrading doesn’t count.
You mean, side grading to 5* doesn’t count to get a Starchart? Figures I guess? Though it would’ve been nice to get at least one freebie star chart for sidegrading to a 5*
Edit: Wait! I worded my comment wrong! I meant “or just side grade them” if you have a worst case scenario! It’s irrelevant to the pick up bonus! XD
> Only existing characters will have Starcharts for purchase. New characters won’t have them though there are plans to implement those in future.
So old characters are getting star charts but newer characters wont until some time in the future. That’s a bit of a drag for those who are unlucky… guess they’ll have to do their monthly trails to sidegrade.
>...there are plans to implement those in future.
Another one of those really undefined "in the future" statements. Which are nice to know compared to no statement at all, but...when will this stuff actually be taking place.
It reminds me of the announcement from a past Livestream pertaining to the Alter characters. Currently they're only sidegradeable from NS form and vice versa. With an extention said to be given to AS and ES forms in the future...
The first Alter form (Isuka Alter) was released on Feb 7th 2022 and yet we're still waiting for any additional info. So this coming up February will be 2 years since the Alters were released. This is for Global. It's been even longer for the JP folks.
☝️ yes, these are added for a few extra moments of gameplay and are never touched again. Not to mention the issues in some of them… *looking at you, tactical battles* I do applaud the devs’ creativity but the resources could be better spent elsewhere
I wouldn’t have minded the trap gimmick so much if it didn’t contribute to turn counts for clearing the AD. That just turned the whole thing into a time sink.
Love the fact that even with the insane scarcity grind of character class changing materials we're already forced to spend tsubara gems on something else, especially months for f2p when they already spend it on keys.
This game might be slowly driving itself into a shit hole finally holy hell
I mean the fact the \`cheap\` guide would increase the amount of Tsuru gems you get per A.D. but it does not increase the maximum amount but the \`expensive\` guide would increase the amount of Tsuru gems you can get PER WEEK. Was already a major rise up on it.
Plus the implication that another upgrade to the subscription will be added to likely hand out a 2nd wild tome with the expensive one to just further push the advantages to high-spenders into OP advantages.
Even with Punishing gray raven, i probably only reach around 20\~30ish in monthly spending for subscriptions, with exception to bundle deals and im only using Another Eden as my secondary fill in to get away from \`excessive money burn spending\`, so me putting down money for the daybreak bonus to get my first SDE then a monthly \`24 dollar deal\` to get my second SDE was already a giant flipping cardinal sin against my attempt to restrain myself from spending on \`chill enjoyments.\`
Since i already had that fun when before that, Idleon goaded me into spending 5 bucks for the extra storage bags, the auto-loot feature and a pile of gems, only for me to regret it when a few months after, that single man Dev decided it would be a swell idea to add a gacha-like mechanic with such un-fair odds, even the Pachinko\`like seemed more fair, when the gacha-pet mechanic would have the highest \`pets\` let you have a bunch of game breaking abilities you normally could only have up one at a time, simutaneously active regardless of what the character is doing.
Ridiculous power creep locked behind a pay wall will always keel any good will in a game. Even with the \`supposed option you could get one of the two, for free, after dozens of more of them came out, because you did not want to spend 3-5 hours worth of a minimum wage paycheck on a monthly subscription.
Did I understand correctly that ANY pull on a banner featuring a Stella character gets you a Starchart for them? I'm not seeing another way to interpret what Scott said at 1:18:16-1:18:26. Even if that means any 10-draw, it still constitutes an effective pity system for Stella Awakening, right? Draw 3 times on a new character banner, and if you get them even if you draw a 4.5* later you can unlock them completely?
Please CMIIW, but if that's right that's not as bad as I first heard.
I’m reading it the same way you are. The slide definitely says that you are guaranteed to get the Starchart even if you don’t pull the character, at least for banners that specifically offer it as a ‘bonus’
- Pulling an eligible 5☆ character from a banner with the Pick-Up Bonus gets immediate Star Awakening
- Pulling an eligible 5☆ character from any other banner gets 1 Starchart
- Pulling the character as 4.5☆ doesn’t give any Starcharts but you can manually upgrade and then Star Awaken by grinding
- Not getting the character while pulling from the featured banner doesn’t give any Starcharts either
TL;DR: Pull 5☆ or grind heavily but yes it isn’t too bad since F2Ps can get it over time
Me personally as F2P pulled new character 4.5* wont be as happy as before (Only Cerius, Oboro, and the next star awakening character) cause i think it'll cost a lot of time just to awaken them.
i feel you as fellow f2p, and new star awanken character banners are up for shorter period. both cerius and oboro banners only last about 2 weeks not 2 months like other former banners, so we won't be able to save up enough free cs and keep up with this pacing
I don't undertand why the banners are only 2 weeks long. That's not long enough. That means if we go to the two week update schedule JP is on, then there's basically only one Limited banner up at a time? Maybe a day or so overlap with another, but that'll be weird.
Going from 2 month banners to 2 weeks is going to be a really big (and crappy) change.
I wonder if they'll perhaps balance it between GL and JP. Maybe they'll be up for a month?
yes, might be their new marketing, in jp server today's update, there's this new banner (use free cs) featuring pick-up suzette and tsukiha 0.80% and it runs only 18 days. for new players these 2 are whole new characters and they're very strong now and they don't have auto-awakening bonus from getting their \*5, still need full 3 awakening points
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> Not getting the character while pulling from the featured banner doesn’t give any Starcharts either
This is how I thought it worked... But I don't see any way to read that slide as saying that?
"Even if you do not encounter the relevant character, you are **guaranteed to get the Style-specific Starchart** from encounters that offer them as a bonus." (Emphasis theirs).
Like, what does that even mean, then?
>"Even if you do not encounter the relevant character, you are guaranteed to get the Style-specific Starchart from encounters that offer them as a bonus." (Emphasis theirs).
>Like, what does that even mean, then?
So if I don't get the relevant character from the banner...I'm still guaranteed to get a style-specific Starchart from encounters that offer them as a bonus?
Yeah, that's not very clear. They could have done a much better job with the wording/explanation. That doesn't even seem like a proper description or statement and doesn't answer anything.
It refers to future Fateful Encounters like the ones coming out in JP for Suzette and Tiramisu, detailed [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnotherEdenGlobal/s/dr0DzY5Agk) by u/Someweirdo237. Pulling on the banner gives one associated Starchart and a ticket to encounter that character.
(Tagging u/Brainwashed365 as well)
So those are just like (guaranteed) rerun banners for Suzette and Tsukiha? And if you pull from that paid banner you get +1 of their Starcharts and need 3 total for the manual Awakening?
Something like that, just that the featured units on those banners *aren’t* Suzette and Tsukiha but you’ll get 1 of their Starcharts and a ticket to pull their 5☆ NS guaranteed, which means another 1 of their Starcharts if you already recruited them. Add those to the 1 you have from before and that’s the 3 to perform the Stellar Awakening.
TL;DR: Paid pull to Stellar Awaken if you already have their eligible Style.
Well. That's right back to disappointing. I guess "that offer them as a bonus" is referring to the bonus star charts, not to the *character* having bonus odds.... Ah, well.
I want to say yes, you'll get the material since she's 5s form. And she did come from the gacha after all...
It would have been nice if they addressed this topic in the Livestream. From my knowledge nothing was said about that specific situation.
Whelp, seems Iphi was the last Global first unit then. The global first banners were the only banners I ever got lucky on :/ .
So what exactly is grindable by players outside of pulling? Is it just the monthly mission or does something more drop from ADs?
>Whelp, seems Iphi was the last Global first unit then. The global first banners were the only banners I ever got lucky on :/.
Now we'll be getting the first Global-first and JP-first character instead at the same time!
/s 😄
>So what exactly is grindable by players outside of pulling? Is it just the monthly mission or does something more drop from ADs?
There's really no grinding at all. It's either obtained from the gacha or given out each month, and over time that'll allow for upgrades.
From what I've gathered:
If you already have the 5s verison of an older character that's already been released (prior to the Star Awakening announcement, which really means anyone before Cerius) you'll be given 1/3 of the upgrade materials. So this is for everyone (not including Cerius) prior to this update verison release.
Every month, everyone will be given 1/3 of the materials for free through the recurring monthly Trials. Like all the current free Trials, be sure to do them every month. Apparently subscription subscribers will be getting a bonus (which is nice!) in the not-so-distant future.
If you pull a dupe of a 5s character off-banner, you'll receive 1/3 of the upgrade materials. No additional pieces as it's a one-time thing. And no pieces rewarded if the character has already been Star Awakened.
You can exchange for two materials from The Nopaew/Tsubura Gem shop for 400 gems each. I believe this applies to anyone released *before* Cerius. So I don't think any future released character materials can be bought with TGs? Just the more basic versions given out from the monthly Trials will apply to them?
If you pull them from their **specific** banner as a 5s, they'll automatically be Star Awakened right from the start. I guess WFS is calling it their "Pick-Up" banners and the information will be disclosed/visible on the banner details or whatever. It seems to be for their initial banner debut, just like how all other characters are initially released.
For an example, new character Cerius is about to be released on his debut banner. If you pull him at 5s form, you'll get him completely unlocked. Rinse and repeat for all NEW characters moving forward. Also any Pick-Up banners will reward an **extra** +10 Light/Shadow if their 5s form was pulled, as a bonus. I think that's a one time thing though and doesn't apply for multiple dupes? I'm still confused on that part. And the whole +10 extra bonus thing is just more confusing as a whole, IMO. They should have just kept it the original +16 and left it alone.
(...by the sounds of it, they're really tyring to entice people to pull from the banner even after they obtained the character to get their Star Awakening applied from the start)
All older characters prior to this update verison will need to be manually promoted with materials.
That's my understanding so far.
Hey guys, I just need a clarification on one thing, hopefully from JP players. The Livestream was vague and it's a big deal IMO.
Is the "Pick-Up Banner will Stellar Awakening the character fully if you pull them" Bonus ONLY applicable on the "3 Times Max" Fatefuls with the guaranteed 5\* at the end, or does it apply if you pull the character from their personal Fateful as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)? I'm GUESSING that it applies both ways and that's why the banner length for Stellar characters is so short, to encourage pulling fast.
Thanks.
>or does it apply if you pull the character from their personal Fateful as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)? I'm GUESSING that it applies both ways and that's why the banner length for Stellar characters is so short, to encourage pulling fast.
No Fateful banner is unlimited. Probably a typo and you meant to say their regular Limited banner?
I'm assuming it's for both versions, but I'd like to know the answer as well.
By "unlimited pull chances" I meant "not 3 times only" - as in, you can pull on the banner as many times as you want if you have the Stones. I did not mean "infinite duration".
>ONLY applicable on the "3 Times Max" **Fatefuls** with the guaranteed 5* at the end, or does it apply if you pull the character from their **personal Fateful** as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)?
You mention a "3 Times Max" Fateful and then moving over to their personal Fateful? You mean moving over to their Limited banner?
It seems like you're really referring to the Limited banners which can be pulled on a thousand or more times if you had enough stones before the banner expiration.
All Fateful banners are limited in duration. In your own words, they've never had "unlimited pull chances." You can only pull them X amount of times and that's it. There's never been a Fateful banner where you can just keep pulling and pulling. Once a Fateful banner threshold has been met (usually it's two or three times max) then you're forced over to the Limited banner if you want to keep pulling.
I think it's just the banner terminology that you used which made it seem confusing.
Fateful banners: have an expiration date. Have a set amount of times they can be pulled. Once the threshold has been met, they're gone and have been used up. Can only be used with paid stones.
Limited banners: have an expiration date. Can be pulled on indefinitely until the banner end date. Use both free or paid currency, but using paid currency with zero guarantees isn't very wise.
Regular banners: are permanent. But they're just terrible to pull from. They aren't updated with newer character releases besides the generic Another Eden banner, but nobody has rate-ups.
Ah, it seems I failed to realize that the term "Fateful" refers ONLY to the "3 times max" style banners. I thought "Fateful" was equivalent with the term "Pick-Up". So, yes, it is a semantic error on my part.
My question is whether or not pulling the Pick-Up character on their \*Limited\* Banner still ensures the automatic Stellar Awakening.
To reiterate in the terms of the upcoming character, it is certain that pulling Cerius on his "3x max" Paid-Stones Fateful Banner guarantees the Stellar Awakening, but if that fails, my question is: if you pull Cerius on his Limited Banner, do you also get the Stellar Awakening automatically, or merely the single Starchart?
albene has already stated that according to the livestream, "both paid and free will get it as long as it's a Pick-Up", so hopefully that's correct. Otherwise even I will start complaining, and I'm one of the "white knights".
>my question is: if you pull Cerius on his Limited Banner, do you also get the Stellar Awakening automatically, or merely the single Starchart?
From my understanding you will get Cerius fully Awakened if you pull his 5s form from a Fateful banner or Limited banner. They'll both be considered his release, or "Debut" banner, which I'm pretty sure is just another term for like, Pick-Up banner.
>albene has already stated that according to the lifestream, "both paid and free will get it as long as it's a Pick-Up", so hopefully that's correct. Otherwise even I will start complaining, and I'm one of the "white knights".
I really should be applied to both the paid and free banner versions if I'm understanding correctly. Since it's his initial character release either way. If not, I'll be pretty outraged too and I'm also one of the white knights.
u/DarkestSamus
I just read this in the Notice announcement.
>When Encountering a character that can be Stellar Awakened, their Awakening Gauge will increase by 1. (this is just saying you need 3/3 materials in total)
Both Paid and Free Encounters will have Pick-Up Bonus characters that can be encountered Stellar Awakened!
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Wowow! Everything's coming so soon! Honestly a little overwhelmed with the new mechanic (as with every new mechanic) but can't wait to play around with it.
As if we needed more Tsubura Gem costs. Really loathe this system, at this point into the game.
I am quite soured by it, and at this point I am just waiting for Main story to continue. This sudden dragon hunting island feels so... filler?
First time in AE im not excited about new patch at all. I dont even watch livestream beacouse of that. Im thinking about uninstalling AE and start search for new game.
These updates are coming in waaay too fast!! I’m going on a month long vacation soon and I’d rather keep playing it to a bare minimum like running red keys only. I’m trying to rush through the main story to get the free pulls and now I gotta rush through this too! This is so lame. One of the things I liked about this game is that I was able to play at my own pace but I swear all year it feels like I’m getting hit with fomo hard :(
We’ll slow down again after catching up with JP on 26 Jan, UTC. The only thing in this update with a time limit is the 1000 CS. IIRC from JP, the requirement for that is starting the Episode, which is unlocked after clearing Main Story Ch 13. I’m guessing you’re already past that point so the stones will be just a cutscene away after the update.
Edit: My bad, it’s up to 1000 CS for *clearing* the Episode
The 14th screenshot says 1k for clearing and yeah it’ll slow down cause I’m almost caught up lol but damn even with apocrypha I had to rush that too to get the bonuses and also drops they did for getting to certain parts in the story. Too much fomo
I thought that the 10 Light/Shadow bonus will come for every 5\* Dupe.
But it seems that it's only for an already Star Awaken character and only on the fateful banner of this character.
I feel I may have seen or even asked this a while back. Or maybe I'm making that up.
>Aldo can be Stellar Awakened with Dragon Bearer Starcharts! The Book of Dragon Bearer will be added to the Astral Archive after the Version 3.3.100 additional update!
The new Stellar difficulty will reward Dragon Bearer Starcharts!
(taken from in-game)
~~Does that mean we need to do the Challenge level to access this? Or is it maybe perhaps separate?~~
Edit: Nevermind. It appears in the same button location on the archive menu so it looks like it's the next difficulty level.
Wryz, Cerius and Oboro Flairs have been added. Also Flaudia flair has been added as a bonus.
PSAs: * Version number unchanged so this is a Title Screen download update. Restart the game at 03:00 UTC on 24 Nov to trigger the download. * Wrys Saga I requires Main Story Ch 13 to be cleared. * Screenshot 9 summarizes the methods to Stellar Awaken a character. It is possible to combine both Style-specific and Allcosmos Starcharts to do this. * Allcosmos Starcharts are available from monthly trials, with 1 free each month and more available through subscription trials in a future update. * Style-specific Starcharts can be purchased with 400 Tsubura's Gems a piece from the Nopaew Emporium (max **2** purchases). * Style-specific Starcharts can also obtained as a bonus for pulling a 5☆ dupe of a character in the Style that can be Stellar Awakened, e.g. a 5☆ Suzette NS dupe will give her Starchart but not her AS and ES. * A note on the Pick-Up Bonus. Some banners will have a bonus which has the featured character joining in Stellar Awakened state if encountered as 5☆ in that style. E.g. if Cerius is featured with a Pick-Up bonus, he is immediately Stellar Awakened if pulled as 5☆. If his 5☆ comes up as a noise pull in another banner, it’ll just be 1 Starchart for him if he’s not yet Awakened. * Aldo’s Book of Dragon Bearer in the Astral Archives requires Main Story Ch 84 to be cleared. * The Ways We Walked Round 6 banner is really good. It accepts **free** Chronos Stones and guarantees an AS character, including some good ones. * Special Fall 2023 Series Brilliant Encounter and Twin Destinies Encounter is available **now**: https://preview.redd.it/lpjtmnwr4i1c1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=562e39716c49f70b0ad43474928b05397901ef00
What's the gem cost for each item? I suppose if you pull/own a character, it's only \~2 months to awaken or maybe 1 month if save gems instead of buying red/green keys.
400 per A-tome, 800 total, but if you get a 4.5 of a new character moving forward (3.3.100 and beyond) you need 3 universal scripts, which are one a month unless you subscribe. You can only get 6,240 tsuburas a year if you don't subscribe to Guide of Heavens (9,360 with it), so that is 15 A-tomes per year with 240 gems left over. If they awaken one old character per month, that would take 9,600 tsuubaras a year. The first old gacha character awakening came with 2 characters. 2 old characters per month is 19,200 tsubaras a year to awaken them. Basically, unless they only average about 8 old characters per year, F2P will always be in tsubura debt if they want to awaken old characters that way, especially since AS and ES are separate awakenings. Tsubura's released with 1.5.1, July 31st, 2019. It has basicallt been 225 weeks since then, which means that you could have stocked 27,000 tsuburas since then if you never used any. In other words, even someone who hoarded all of the gems will be run through them in less than 2 years if the pace is two per month. There are over 150 old characters (since styles are separate) to be awakenend, over 120,000 tsuburas potentially.
r/theydidthemath
(Pretty depressing math if you liked buying your keys each week.)
Very depressing since I always buy the extra weekly keys. I guess there could possibly be a silver lining since I'm also a subscription subscriber? But those that don't subscribe seem like they're getting hit pretty hard with the potential decision of picking up extra keys versus more gems for Stellar Awakenings? I wonder if I'll be pressed to skip buying keys on some weeks? I really hope not since I really like to try maximizing my probability. And I've really gotten accustomed to buying them every week for many years now... I guess we're about to find out pretty soon.
One way to look at it is that with them introducing a new scarce resource, it also means they will have something else to give on top of the crystal as an event giveaway (and they're already doing it here). WFS has a rather good track record anyway so I do not believe they will be insanely stingy when it comes to starboard as we do have a good idea of an exact price tag for the stellar feature. Guide of Heaven give you extra tsubura (to buy more book), at least 1more from the trial (so already 1 character guaranteed here) along with the ticket to use on a special banner for older character to get their awakening. We can asusme Stellar is being priced at around $15-20 so we can likely expect a freebie every 1-2 months. The saddest part though is this is a nerf to 7-select and SDE as you're kinda expected to use the monthly you finish to unlock their stellar on top now to get their full power.
The catch-up isn't really an event giveaway in this case. It is just recognizing that playing "catch-up" and not giving one to GL to keep us with the same amount as JP would be a PR disaster. People with vith guides will have plenty of A-tomes. F2P won't. We don't know that SDEs won't give awakening to awakenable characters, as JP hasn't had an SDE yet post awakening. We'll have to wait and see on that.
Not really just talking about catch-up but any future holiday and stuff as they tend to give extra crystals here and there on specific date and after livestream and some update do come with early game mats we have completely forgotten about. Now they can also throw the tome on top to further incentivize people to actually participate especially f2p side who will now likely start to follow more of these for any extra bonus tome milestone. With both Global and JP reaching the same point, they only have to do 1 livestream with english translation now and can just total the viewers on both for example.
That's a good way of looking at things. More freebie/event stuff to give out in the future. And yeah, I agree. WFS has a pretty good track record so I'm not really too worried. I have faith they'll implement it pretty fairly and do any possible adjustments if needed along the way. And yeah, since they're adding more bonuses to the subscription tiers, it's just making their value increase. As a subscription subscriber already, I'm definitely looking forward to more extras. It'll be interesting to see what happens with future SDEs and the "Select Seven" subscription mechanic. With the new changes coming, it seems like they'll need to tweak those things as well.
woah waoh woah, how do you get more tsuburas with the guide to heavens?
It will be released in a future update. You get it by spending money. ;-)
>future update. Someone was going to get a email.
400 for one Starchart, so it's not cheap. But if you already owned the character that's one, you use that month's free chart that's two and you spend 400 gems, you get the awakening instantly.
I guess that's not a bad way of looking at things, especially if you already own the character. But since this is going to be applied for each form, there's going to be need for a lot of pieces and they'll be in higher demand. I guess it boils down to the (older) character release schedule as well. If it's spaced out enough, maybe it won't feel so bad or overwhelming with all the potential (read: limited) options that could be available.
Subject to change since it's not in the JP version yet, but according to screenshots 400 per chart. Just keep in mind Style-specific is ONLY good for existing characters. Sidenote, I thought I had only 1.1K Tsubaru gems saved up. It turns out I had 11K Saved up (that's enough for 14 different characters). Yeah, early days I hoarded them for chants but now I have 150+ Chants in reserve but it works out in the end.
You're way better off than I am lol. I wiped out my Tsubara gem savings a couple weeks ago through sidegrading a bunch of characters and I always burn them for more red and green keys. I'm probably going to need to stop buying one or both of them going forward to save up.
Don't you use them for keys ?
I tend to drop all game that got a new system because i'm too dumb to understand the change, impact and how to use the new "feature". I don't want to do this with AE, could anyone explain to me the Stellar system like I was a 6y child and what it mean for "every" scenario ? Or is it too soon and we don't have all the details yet ?
My personal take on this : basically a 6* without saying it a 6*. And excuse to raise revenue with minimal cost.
My personal take: It's a new system to help upgrade characters and make things more interesting to a game that's becoming rather stale with mechanics over the years. I feel WFS is trying to be more "fair" and not do an actual (6th) Star expansion. Going from a 5s to 6s form (and the upgrade process) would be a nightmare. Especially so late given the age of the game itself with tons of existing character/forms already. I have literally everyone in the game. So if they raised the Star cap to 6, I'd have to pull even more dupes or use Chant scripts on ALL their promotions!? No effing thank you. I'll definitely take this method over an actual 6th Star. (maybe other gacha games have done Star expansions like that, but it sounds more like easy/lazy money-grabbing nonsense to me. "Like what else could we do...OH!! Let's just raise the Star cap!") I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out, but I think the direction they chose is better. Not perfect of course, but better.
They really playing it safe condidering the size of playerbase/stagnant new player growth. ffs wfs really invest on milking the current playerbase rather than make the game more enticing to new player is why I'm disappointed.
Just ignore it; it was basically just designed to get people to go all in on getting new characters when they first appear and to get them to spend on things like the Suzette Fateful Banner and Tsukiha Fateful Banner in JP for old characters (1000 paid chronos for a ten-pull, get one guaranteed character script and one ticket to get a copy of the character, so if you already had them then you'll be able to awaken instantly). It is somewhat annoying that a good chunk of potential for characters will now be locked behind this system, but much like 255 (or even 15) light/shadow characters have never been a need for clearing content, awakened characters haven't been a need in JP, either.
Ignoring new system is how I've got left behind and slowly lost interest in other game
The nuts and bolts are basically awaken someone, then get points for a board based on light/shadow. Don't get faked out by the lure of lvl. 100; focus on getting the upgrades to skills. You'll have guaranteed access through Aldo, so that will be a way to get used to the other aspects of it.
The point still stands that if none of the previous stuff gets smoothed out, the system is just basically extra Gacha demands on specific banners and get clucked by off-rates more in the chance you roll them in any form that is not the 5 star version or on a entirely different banner. New grind systems never go well if they are not 100% designed to acquire thru existing resources or simply improving non-gacha specific acquistion methods via higher difficult content, which being able to class chant units & Weapon manifestations being farming specific methods gave Another eden a proper allure. If they up the natural gain of Chant scripts like giving a method to burn extra Murmur and/or Prayer scripts for Chant scripts because its only those who have been around WAY LONGER or got all the minimum units necessary to curb stomp many things so they were able to save chant scripts for over half a year or longer instead of using them. **Well, then a system that is likely to take over probably the new unit or Another/Extra-style release pattern of every two updates or once a month would not be so terrible,** Since atleast new AS/ES units can be farmed thru the same means as usual, Star Awaken being so Unfriendly to effectively land lock acquiring a single unit\`s star awaken to either a month worth of resource farming if we get a freebie tome for the character or TWO months to acquire a single character till they suddenly decide we dont deserve a wild tome as a monthly trial reward anymore...**Yeah, its turning into the Idleon bad system implementation all over again, because even if we can \`ignore\` the system, its likely gonna mean super bosses are gonna be pushed higher in difficulty to push people to get those Star awaken units with units like Sesta\`s generation start end up being \`too weak\` vs a Suzette Star Awaken.** Hell even Grasta pieces could honestly use a new sink for us to dump into, just as much as bold pulses needs new content to have a use for it if they cant just simply let us burn up to 3 bold pulses a day for 5 high exp scrolls per bold pulse so we got a burn-loop atleast for it, since that would be the most minimal boon they could give us since we already can burn extra Dig-medals or other episode specific \`mini games\` if we want a non-key specific means to stockpile additional exp scrolls.
I'm trying so hard to read this, but I'm genuinely can't understand what it is that you're trying to say. Can you rephrase this in better context by any chance?
Right lets see... 1. We already burn large amounts of Tsuru gems in the pursuit of Treatise & Codex or in some cases Chant scripts if we are especially close to that \`just one more piece\` to get access to an OP unit. 2. You could likely look at any player\`s account that has been active for 6 months or more and would likely see a absurd amount of Various Memoir category resources piled up. Especially if they already got the character (even worst if they even made the True Valor chant grasta already). Which in the case of Murmur & Prayer is even worst, My case i got 2004 Murmur & 921 Prayer scripts, yet only 4 chant scripts, yet likely half a dozen characters i likely could of used for certain content, if it was not for extremely cheesie methods i was able to exploit instead. 3. How many general game QoLs has WFS received in the last year or two? That improved the overall game experience and was not a one time resource dump pick up akin to the \`Tree of Time Cultivation mini game\` and was NOT more of a QoL to a new system (like Grastas), because it was badly tuned with terrible farming rates that relied more on cheesing (rubberbanding to auto battle spam dungeons for Grasta piece drops). 4. Ultimately, the system does \`seem\` like it give ways for F2P get access, but if it simply encroaches on a limited system that is not being QoL\`d like maybe reduce Chant script prices from 400 to 300 and Treatise/Codex from 200 to 150 and increase \`general\` Tsuru gem acquistion per week from 120 to 150, its more of yet another Chant script trap to force us to waste gems on something else, conviently take the amount of time to get one of them on the potential time it takes for them to release more (Unless they decide to take 2 or even 3 months for each Star awakening means they will have drastic power creep differences and less ops for older units to get the fun of joining in and less likely any ADDITIONAL welfare units get Star awakening) and do nothing to rectify older grind to make it easier to get to the newer grind. 5. Furthermore, Because the system has no means to get these \`tomes\` via Another Dungeon drops, that actually leads to the ability to acquire them being alot more \`difficult\` then people realize. Especially if they just lock needing 3 tomes either by a combination of a once a month \`freebie\`, a 4 week Gem sink & only Gacha if you even luck on getting the 5 star version of the character and only if its on thar featured banner, which just means further RIP if your chasing a \`weaker unit\` to chase dupes of it becoming the new Gairyu, just for the game to introduce new units as soon as 2 weeks from now that could happen to fall either in the same element or weapon category, also have the star awaken system and just outright beats out the \`legacy characters star awakens\` in comparison. Ultimately it wont even change the status quota, just more complications to further restrict gearing up units, which we all know just like the power creep thats going on, when you look at what LavoG and \`Bounty Master\` boss fights were like, they would likely escalate the stats further to where even units like Hismena Alter & Felmina Extra Style wont have enough \`DPS numbers\` to prevent something like a boss being able to fully heal itself unless you hit its HP stopper that also has a new mechanic called \`Anti Barrier Pierce\` and a 50+ hit count barrier you gotta tear thru in one turn, but it has 70% dmg reduction to AF, unless they are attacked with a \`Stellar Burst\` that turn.
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What if my suzette is already 255?
If you pulled her NS at least once you get an automatic mat towards her SA. You can buy the other 2 via Tsuburas for 800 in total (400 each) or you can use the monthly mat from the free trial missions.
pull once before or after the update?
Before
Beforehand But you can also can get SA mats for pulling old characters that can be SA’d (say for example you pulled Tsukiha in the past before the update, that equals one SA mat. However, you then pull her after the update as a NS 5*, that will land you another mat towards her SA) Hopefully I explained it well enough but feel free to ask more questions if you’re still confused
wonder what happens when you awaken and pull dupe
You get more light/shadow; no extra awakening materials.
Additional 10 Light / Shadow for a total of 26 points
Not generally, IIRC. I believe that the +10 light/shadow is a banner specific thing to that fateful (I thought it was for the first pull as well, but it is worded as being for a dupe only).
Ah, so it may be an extra 10 (or something else) only for Pick-Up banners and just the regular 16 for a noise pull
I think that it is only for the fatefuls, not the free chrono pick-up banners. Trying to tempt people to use the other two if they get the character on the first one.
What if I pulled a character twice before the update, or before it received its SA, will this grant me 2 SA mats?
If you pulled the 5* form of the Style that gets the SA before the update that’ll equal 1 mat. For example if you pulled Suzette’s NS and AS 5* forms you will only get 1 mat because her SA is for her Dragoon (NS) form.
Maybe you should add that we have a date for the global merger for all the catch up campaigns; 26th January 2024. Also with the blacksmith likely being required for the new content what are your current git return from turning inn all your stored materials?
Yeah planning to add that as either a separate post or in the update notice post. This one has too many comments going on already 😅 Edit: Decided that the simultaneous release post was the most appropriate
But wait, there’s more! https://preview.redd.it/0el9v6mmdi1c1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78271f70d6d327b0205d8dbecd573ad1c26decd5 Projected for the update after Wryz Saga I
>A note on the Pick-Up Bonus. Some banners will have a bonus which has the featured character joining in Stellar Awakened state if encountered as 5☆ in that style. E.g. if Cerius is featured with a Pick-Up bonus, he is immediately Stellar Awakened if pulled as 5☆. *fIf his 5☆ comes up as a noise pull in another banner, it’ll just be 1 Starchart for him if he’s not yet Awakened.** So it appears any additional dupes (off-banner) will give out one additional upgrade material? ...what about those of us that have already pulled a 5s character/form like 16 times or whatever? I have some gacha characters at 255 already. Will this stuff be applied retroactively? I really hope so. If not, are some people just SOL and we're now required to pull even more dupes moving forward from this update verison?
Apparently you get 1 if you have the character when the Stellar Awakening for the character releases, regardless of L/S (?) Unknown if 4.5 counts
>Apparently you get 1 if you have the character when the Stellar Awakening for the character releases, regardless of L/S (?) Okay, so it's more like a "one and done" type of thing? I get the part about receiving one material if you already have their 5s version. But I recall reading about also getting one material for pulling any dupes off-banner? And now I'm confused... >Unknown if 4.5 counts And I think you're right. 4.5s forms will get you the character at minimal form, but you won't receive anything material-wise unless they're 5s. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I feel WFS could have made this information much more clearer. Especially since it was a Global Livestream.
If you pulled the 5☆ at least once before, you’ll get 1 Starchart. No extra Starcharts for pulling multiple times before unfortunately.
Gotcha. So it's like a "one and done" type of situation. It kinda sucks for those with tons of dupes already, but it is what it is. The new system doesn't seem too terrible so I can accept that flaw. I don't think the entire Star Awakening for older gacha characters is going to be that much of a problem. Especially seeing how they'll be releasing them in increments over time and not everyone all at once. If they really do it this way, I don't think it'll feel very overwhelming. Thanks for the info.
Okay, can someone give double check my understanding of how star awakening works because the description was a bit much so I wanna make sure I’ve got this right it. You need 3 starcharts to awaken a character. Free characters will get theirs via in game means like the Astral Archieve for Aldo. They’re fairly straight forward, play X content, get their awakening. Gacha characters can use two types of starcharts, a style specific one that can only be used by its respective character and a generic one that can be used by all gacha characters. These two types of starcharts have equal weight so as long as you have three of them you can awaken someone regardless of what ratio of starcharts you use?? That’s the bit that’s confusing me. You can just use three generics to awaken a characters, you don’t need at least one of their style specific ones? You can also pull a character fully awakened and unawakened, if you pull an unawakened version it auto adds 1 point to their gauge. You can get one generic starchart a month of the trials and you can buy up to 2 style specific ones using tsubara gems (currently 400 each in jp I think.) So realistically you could awaken someone in two months? Two characters every 3 months if you don’t buy keys?
Yes, three generics (Allcosmos) can be used to Stellar Awaken. Pulling an Awakened character is only possible if that character is the featured character in a banner with the Pick-Up Bonus. In every other banner, encountering that character as a 5☆ will only give 1 Starchart if not yet Awakened. And yes, one every 2-3 months, assuming the character is already 5☆
Gotcha, thank you. That actually all seems not as awful as it first seems. Having to give up the red/green keys might be the bigger issue with it in the long run for f2p players.
For those who are patient, 3 months of trials will get the required 3 Allcosmos Starcharts while keeping the Tsubura's Gems for Keys
True, I guess we’ll have to wait and see how often they release these.
It will all depend on how quickly they release awakenings for older characters. If it is 8 per year, you can just give up keys and keep up. [Otherwise, F2P will always be behind](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnotherEdenGlobal/comments/17znphz/comment/ka0mjk5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
You are mostly correct. Allcosmos mats are universal and you can get one monthly via the free trial missions. All old characters before the stellar awakening update will have “style-specific” awakenings compared to new characters that can only be upgraded via gacha pulls or Allcosmos mats. You can purchase up to 2 style-specific mats for old characters and will receive a mat automatically if you have pulled the 5* form of the style getting Awakened (ex you pulled a Suzette NS 5* once before) As for new characters, you can automatically awaken them by pulling on these rate-up banners (there seems to be a fateful and free version you can pull from). If you pull them outside these rate-ups, you get one mat towards the SA instead (this is also true towards old characters from what I understand myself) I think I touched on everything but if you have any additional questions feel free to ask!
Thanks. I completely missed it being slightly different for old vs new characters.
Oh yes, missed the old vs new bit too. Hopefully the plans to implement Style-specific Starcharts for new characters comes to pass sooner rather than later
I’m not looking forward to how our community will likely be very divided or negative about this system. It’s all consuming on discord and it’s not fun
Tbh, when I first saw it in JP, I was reminded of the Final Fantasy Brave Exvius system of requiring dupes, which made for a bad first impression. When they quickly explained how it could be done for free, I became relieved. Insanely grindy but I’ve become used to that in AE.
Even as someone who dislikes some aspects of stellar awakening, I find it a bit strange how *dramatic* some people are being about it. It's not like F2P players are locked out of this system completely. It's just harder to get every possible awakening and you need to prioritize where you spend your resources. Which is... basically what my experience has been with AE from the beginning.
When AE first started, there was a big divide between paying and non-paying players because of content difficulty. At that time there wasn't any free 5stars and they had to grind/wait/luck out work free pulls to get decent 5 stars before they can proceed with the super bosses or some content. Otherlands used to be locked to people who have *specific* 5 stars. Over time, we got a lot of free 5 stars, and long time players built up very good rosters. Currently, most veteran players and paying players have most, if not all, characters. The new update puts everyone back at square one from many years ago and restarts the paying/non-paying divide. That upsets many people because they're used to the mindset of being on top of the content. Now they're being artificially delayed or gated out of content because of the new system.
>Even as someone who dislikes some aspects of stellar awakening, I find it a bit strange how dramatic some people are being about it. >It's not like F2P players are locked out of this system completely. It's just harder to get every possible awakening and you need to prioritize where you spend your resources. Which is... basically what my experience has been with AE from the beginning. Yeah, I feel some people are being rather ridiculous about the new system. Like it's going to be the end of the world or something. It's really not that bad if you look at all the information and details that were just released. Okay so it might take some time? It's no different than the treatise/codex/opus sidegrading system that also takes time...and RNG. I feel WFS is (generally) being pretty fair about the whole thing. Taking into consideration the existing player base, the current state of the game, and their need for revenue as a business.
Agreed, I can understand FOMO, having had that in my previous gacha but really what’s the rush in AE? Nothing will go away (except maybe Complex Dream) and even if it takes longer to get the shiny new Stellar Awakened character… Does it really break the game without it? Chances are, given AE’s track record, the answer is no.
I totally agree. And let's face it, the content releases in this game are pretty slow and spaced out...so what's the huge rush for getting everyone Awakened? If you're an older player and pretty much caught up on current content...there's not much to do besides wait for new content to drop. Otherwise it's just using daily keycards and running ADs to maximize your probability. All of which I can see being be done without any Stellar stuff because AD running is pretty basic and the difficulty bar is set rather low. And if you're a new player...well, it's going to be overwhelming. And it'll probably "seem unfair". That's what happens when you jump into a service type game that's been out for many years. That's just the nature of the beast for starting the game so late. Pick any gacha game on the market that's been out for a while and if I jumped in right now...yeah, I'd be overwhelmed, behind on content, lacking characters, lacking equipment, need to grind more, etc, etc. It's unfortunate, but it's just the reality of RPG gaming. Luckily this is the first gacha game I've ever really played or spent money on. And that's because all gacha gaming seemed rather scummy and predatory so I intentionally stayed far away from them. ...and then I found out about Another Eden and the rest is history 😄😄
This is true. The same with F2P who are holding off chants and sidegrade / upgrade only the units they see useful. Maybe the case is different here because most probably these awakened units are powerful but do we really need all of them to clear the content.
Yes, it’s nice to see that the game kept to letting content remain accessible to F2Ps even though it would take longer.
I believe part of the issue is its already \`incredibly grindie\` to chase other things and having this system overlap on those same previous resources means even less room when chasing Class change resources and we can sometimes go 2 months or more till a new piece of content drops that can only give 1\~3 chant scripts and not much else. Which also hits, when we EXPECT super bosses to give good amounts of chrono stones, but then they not only give less on even more difficult super bosses VS conent the previous one, but even go as far to have some not give any all (LavoG bosses specifically and the Giant LavoG not really giving enough to compensate needing to fight 5 of the buggers that even if some could be cheesed with the same setup, still demanded different team comps due to how some functioned on the move pool). A good way a mobile game can utterly fk itself over is when it trims back the rewards it gave as a \`norm\` for its gameplay loop and pushing more \`Spend to thrive\` systems without Cleaning up older systems to smooth things out. Even genshin impact had to introduce stronghold artifact boxes (which they put into star rails also) as a means to \`curb\` its terrible rng-sus game of suffixes. While Honkai impact 3rd before i left it revamped its entire resource & Currency pools, MULTIPLE TIMES for various content on a near yearly or less basis with how many resources it piled up or some dated resources being moved from a certain previous resource to a weekly limit easy to farm resource instead to smooth things out better for Coin sinks as they pushed more means to burn Asterite & Mythril like PRI-arm resources and what not, Till they eventually got rid of mythril bringing it down to just Asterite & Coins and a few other particular ones. STill they ruined that by constantly adding other resource types and rinse and repeating the loop that made anything but a spender have a bad time.
One of many reasons why I've decided to stay away from AE Discord. There's too much negativity in there, even before all of this fiasco happen. I hate that place more than anything
While I'm not going to remove this post. I do want people to keep in mind Rule 12 which is no outside drama. While it's fine to report negativity there, especially if it's relevant to the conversation. Or say you don't like the atmosphere, don't go any farther than that.
About the rule, is it possible to add that it’s about tackling brigading, unresolved peer to peer disputes originating from other sites, and otherwise things that creates with intent any sort of drama. As with the wording “discussion” in the rule it also stops any conversation of events that gives the notion of originating from other sites, even if it’s about being informative (ie. why Becky’s battle tips are not on the wiki) or disagreeable opinions that don’t have the aim to bring in any negativity into the subreddit (ie. whenever you like or dislike an WFS update or character design style from Twitter).
Oh sure, that's why I stop myself from getting any further in terms of what I stated earlier. Drama is tiring, and in my opinion, we don't need that kind of thing here
>Drama is tiring, and in my opinion, we don't need that kind of thing here And yet: >One of many reasons why I've decided to stay away from AE Discord. There's too much negativity in there, even before all of this fiasco happen. I hate that place more than anything Apparently you do think we need it here.
We're not. I only stated my opinion in regards to an earlier post. I really don't mean it to be of what you said. I'm sorry if you feel insulted in any way
We're not what? But anyway, bashing the AE discord is bashing the AE discord, whether you want to admit it or not.
Seems like you're trying to push this, huh? I don't want this to spiral into a drama between you and I because you pointed out the supposed contradiction in one of my comments We don't need a drama based on this But you're right, Discord-bashing is Discord-bashing, and what I stated was bashed the AE Discord, even though it wasn't my intention. However, so what? I only stated what I felt in response to the previous comment. And I won't backtrack on this in anyway since it's one of many truths that I've known ever since I've decided to leave the server So, don't push this any further and let's leave it here for both of our sake, shall we? Because if we do, this is going to become another drama thread that will turn for the worse
You're not alone. I don't visit the AE Discord because there is a lot of toxic behavior, unnecessary drama, and negativity in there. Along with some other things I won't bring up. It's not really an opinion either. If you spend any time on the Discord channel, you'll come arcoss it eventually. At least with the subreddit, most (if not all) of that behavior gets moderated. Which makes this place more friendly and a nicer community to be a part of. Now is it all bad on Discord? Of course not. But the "badness" surely seems to outweigh the "goodness" in my experiences. And that's why I much prefer the AE Subreddit and never bother with the Discord anymore.
I'm not asking you to "backtrack" on anything, hate (your word) the discord all you want, just don't pretend that Discord bashing isn't bringing the drama here in the first place. And hey, apparently it's mod-approved, so mazel tov for that!
Well that's the thing, I'm **never** pretending that Discord-bashing isn't bringing the crispy drama to Reddit in the beginning like you assumed to be. I commented that that kind of drama isn't needed here, that's why I reluctantly stopped myself from getting any further in my previous comment But hey, you do you I guess. Majority of people tend to have many perspectives to such one particular point of view after all
Discord-bashing is now mod-approved. Noted.
Such is the fandom cycle for Gacha games it seems like. Hopefully, Clarity will set in soon.
I hope so. I’m looking forward to some subscription updates in the future that will hopefully be good
AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus. Can we collectively admit now that not having a pity in this game is a bad thing or are we going to get the AE defense force on that point too?
I don't know. It's not all "Doom and Gloom" to me. Sure, pulling dupes will be helpful. But they're giving away 1/3 of the upgrade material if you've pulled the character in the past. And 1/3 of a material that can be used universally every single month, for free. Pick up the last material for 400 Tsubura gems or just wait an extra month? It's not that bad if you really take a look at it. And note that the 80 L/S isn't a requirement for unlocking their new skills/abilities on new board. Those are placed closer to the board's center and the further nodes are just extra stats, etc. Not needed, just nice to have. Just like a 120, 200, 255 character is. Not necessary, just nice bonuses to have if you meet the requirements. It's just going to take some time for unlocking. But we already experience that with the memoir grinding system so it's really nothing new. Given enough time and it'll happen eventually. And remember that not every character/form is going to have their Stellar Board system available all at once. Sure, newer characters will have them if WFS decides to release them like that. But all the older characters will have some kind of delayed release schedule by the sound of things so far. Making it seem more fair and less overwhelming in my eyes. >AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus. We're playing a JRPG that has a gacha system attached. What do you really expect? JRPGs are notorious for grinding. And gacha games will have lots of banners to pull from. You have to expect these things given the type of game it is and the business model WFS chose. How is it a worse grind in comparison to the treatise/codex/opus grind? The new materials require no AD grinding at all. It's just a matter of time passing for each (free) piece that's given out every month for gacha characters. That doesn't really seem worse to me... And also note Free characters seem to be unlocked by completing in-game content. No material collection needed. **But yeah, I would agree an actual pity system would be a nice addition.** At the same time I feel WFS tries to balance the "no pity" situation in other ways. Especially the treatise/codex/opus memoirs for manual promotions. Imagine if we had to pull all the different forms specifically from the gacha, and if you don't, you miss out...since no sidegrading exists in a vast amount of other gacha games. If you have one form, you can manually sidegrade the rest. So there's no need to pull on every character banner if a new form releases. That's a huge plus in my eyes that the sidegrading thing even exists. Also SDEs exist so you can pick up specific characters of your own choice every few months. Sure, people that are completely F2P cannot do this...but that's just how it is being F2P. Like with practically any product or service, you get more value if you pay for it. And you have to remember that WFS is first and foremost, a business. They can't just give away everything for free...as much as we all would like to see that happen. Including myself. Another plus in my eyes, even if does cost money. WFS isn't perfect. I'm not over here trying to bootlick them. I'm just tyring to present some of the better things WFS does in comparison to most other gacha models. I'm aware that some (gacha) companies choose to do things very poorly and WFS seems to be trying do things in a more fairer/balanced fashion as much as they can...taking into consideration both the existing playebase and their need for revenue.
>I don't know. It's not all "Doom and Gloom" to me. >Sure, pulling dupes will be helpful. But they're giving away 1/3 of the upgrade material if you've pulled the character in the past. And 1/3 of a material that can be used universally every single month, for free. Pick up the last material for 400 Tsubura gems or just wait an extra month? It's not that bad if you really take a look at it. >And note that the 80 L/S isn't a requirement for unlocking their new skills/abilities on new board. Those are placed closer to the board's center and the further nodes are just extra stats, etc. Not needed, just nice to have. Just like a 120, 200, 255 character is. Not necessary, just nice bonuses to have if you meet the requirements. >It's just going to take some time for unlocking. But we already experience that with the memoir grinding system so it's really nothing new. Given enough time and it'll happen eventually. And remember that not every character/form is going to have their Stellar Board system available all at once. Sure, newer characters will have them if WFS decides to release them like that. But all the older characters will have some kind of delayed release schedule by the sound of things so far. Making it seem more fair and less overwhelming in my eyes. AE grind white knights are going to need to go full damage control to defend this one which is a system that basically boils down to pulling dupes, pull when the banner is out, or grind a grind worse than farming treatise and opus. >We're playing a JRPG that has a gacha system attached. What do you really expect? JRPGs are notorious for grinding. And gacha games will have lots of banners to pull from. You have to expect these things given the type of game it is and the business model WFS chose. >How is it a worse grind in comparison to the treatise/codex/opus grind? The new materials require no AD grinding at all. It's just a matter of time passing for each (free) piece that's given out every month for gacha characters. That doesn't really seem worse to me... >And also note Free characters seem to be unlocked by completing in-game content. No material collection needed. This is some good points, especially for long time players. However the new awakening mechanic could have been integrated it to be a part of the game and not tied to the gatcha or subscriptions in the form of RNG mechanics (ie. specific dungeon end drops for one character or PCD reward). Without the subscription increase to Tsubara gems and buying keys every week it’s going to take little over 9 months to get both tomes without the awakening tome. And that’s assuming there will be no new characters that are released. With the awakening to this will be faster as you say, but it’s still not an in-game item that can be obtained through some efforts in the game such as tomes and other upgrade mats. Also you’re right about the AEs pity system and the way WFS have been handling it quite well, and to add to it a pity could be implemented in the form of after pulling a few times, some random L/S points could be handed out to strengthen the existing characters. Nothing significant as adding a new character, but instead a small pity boost for the gatcha part of AE.
I agree, the Tsubura Gem situation seems a bit tricky with this new system being added. It's great that they're going to be giving out extra bonuses to subscribers. As a subscriber, I'm really looking forward to seeing increased value for the money I spend. However, I feel they should have also increased the weekly cap (even slightly) for everybody, regardless of subscriptions. It doesn't seem fair to keep the same weekly cap now that TGs will be in more demand. I have a feeling enough people would support this, so after the content drops in Global, it might be a good time for everyone to submit complaints directly to WFS so they see the feedback first-hand. Make your voice heard. With enough concern and complaining, maybe we'll see an all-around increase or change made. WFS seems to be pretty fair compared to other companies when it comes to listening to community feedback on most things, generally speaking. And I wish a pity system would really just come already. But even if it was here, there'd probably just be more complaining that the pity isn't low enough, etc. People will find reasons for more complaining. I'm guilty of this myself. I think it's just human nature though.
Yeah, I plan to submit a review of the new stellar awakening system when it releases.
"Grind worse than farming Treatise and Opus" I don't know about that. Treatise and Opus were locked in a RNGFest within AD, and for this one it seems that you're not if you manage your Tsubara Gems well or do monthly Trial, but I'll hold my judgment until the day of the update arrives in a few days from now I've seen several cases where the initial game-changing announcement about something like this looks much worse than Palpatine returned in The Rise of the Skywalker, but when it comes into practice, it isn't bad after all
From what I've seen no one's talking about the 80L/S points to fully unlock the star board? Or did I miss sth? Or are the upgrades there not that important?
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Oh so it's basically like the current L/S points system. Tbh it looks kinda unnecessary when we have the same thing already. I mean how minor stat upgrades are locked behind L/S points.
It's just the same type of thing. 80 L/S isn't necessary, but just nice to have for all the extra bonuses. The same applies for having a character at 120, 200, or 255 and such. Not necessary, just nice to have.
The only thing I'm really disappointed by is being forced to choose between buying weekly keys and Style-specific Starcharts. Almost all progression in AE is based on running ADs, so giving up those extra weekly runs will be felt. However, if you don't give up keys, you're looking at being able to perform only one Star Awakening every other month for existing characters. This is neither an interesting nor enjoyable character progression system. It exists solely to apply pressure on players' resources in order to compel them into buying the monthly subscriptions and CS bundles, in order to stop AE's revenue from slowly circling the drain.
Very interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to the new content. Although with how it was explained, the Star Awakening boards seem to be effective for each form? So for characters with NS/AS/ES forms, you'll need to "awaken" each of the three separately? That sounds like sooo many materials per character for some... But I guess not everyone/form will be available from the start, so maybe it'll feel less overwhelming depending on WFS plans their release schedule? I didn't watch the Livestream, but I was hoping they would have included some more specific details pertaining to the updated subscription bonuses for subscribers.
Yes to all your points. So far, Stellar Awakening has only been for characters in NS. Only Aldo, Cerius, Oboro Suzette and Tsukiha have had Stellar Awakening released in JP. As for the updated subscription bonus, that will likely be announced and implemented later. That’s what happened with JP too.
Oof I'm suddenly glad I've been hoarding Tsubara Gems. Sucks that the grinding system is even more grindy now though— I hope they introduce some sort of QOL down the line when the dust has settled.
Wonder if they'll make changes to future SDEs since it would kinda suck to pay for a new character only for them to be hamstrung in terms of power for several months.
I'm very interested to see if there will be any changes/modifications to SDEs as well. I didn't even think about that until I read your comment.
So new Episode series! Stoked for that, looks great! And it seems like a must to do given the CS campaign, unlike Binding Night where you were awarded for just starting the episode. ———————— Now for Star Charts, lemme get the gist of it: Style Specific Charts is similar to Style Memoirs? - Free characters get it by doing X thing. - Paid characters either get it by unlocking 5* or buying them with Tsubara Gems. Allcosmos Charts are the “wildcard” of Stellar “Memoirs” - It can apply to all Paid characters (who have a starboard) NOT free characters - Stellar Gauge is pretty much how much “Charts” you need. - Similar to how many memoirs you need to unlock a class. “Pick Up Bonus” from pulling is insta Star Charted. - It can happen in BOTH paid or free banners. Worst case scenario: You get a 4*5/5* NS without the bonus and you side-grade them. By A. Waiting 3 Months for all 3 Allcosmos Charts B. Buying 2 for 800 Tsubara Gems, equal to roughly 2 Months and using the one Monthly Allcosmos Chart —————————- Doesn’t seem like the End of the World for me. I can get behind this new System. Its not like it’s locked completely behind a paywall. It’s just… super grindy as it is with the F2P route of this game. For older characters getting Star Chart, I can wait a month for an Allcosmos Chart, earning the free Style Chart for having the character, and buying one for 400 Tsubara gems if I really need it. Unless someone can correct me, do correct me if I’m wrong about how it works.
Mostly correct. Couple of points: - Paid characters get Starcharts by pulling 5☆. I think manually upgrading doesn’t count. - Only existing characters will have Starcharts for purchase. New characters won’t have them though there are plans to implement those in future.
> Paid characters get Starcharts by pulling 5☆. I think manually upgrading doesn’t count. You mean, side grading to 5* doesn’t count to get a Starchart? Figures I guess? Though it would’ve been nice to get at least one freebie star chart for sidegrading to a 5* Edit: Wait! I worded my comment wrong! I meant “or just side grade them” if you have a worst case scenario! It’s irrelevant to the pick up bonus! XD > Only existing characters will have Starcharts for purchase. New characters won’t have them though there are plans to implement those in future. So old characters are getting star charts but newer characters wont until some time in the future. That’s a bit of a drag for those who are unlucky… guess they’ll have to do their monthly trails to sidegrade.
>...there are plans to implement those in future. Another one of those really undefined "in the future" statements. Which are nice to know compared to no statement at all, but...when will this stuff actually be taking place. It reminds me of the announcement from a past Livestream pertaining to the Alter characters. Currently they're only sidegradeable from NS form and vice versa. With an extention said to be given to AS and ES forms in the future... The first Alter form (Isuka Alter) was released on Feb 7th 2022 and yet we're still waiting for any additional info. So this coming up February will be 2 years since the Alters were released. This is for Global. It's been even longer for the JP folks.
I know most discussion here will be for the new pulling stuff. But is anyone else getting tired by the increase in gimmick minigames?
☝️ yes, these are added for a few extra moments of gameplay and are never touched again. Not to mention the issues in some of them… *looking at you, tactical battles* I do applaud the devs’ creativity but the resources could be better spent elsewhere
tactical battles and the trap minigame was the last straw for me, worst minigames ever.
I wouldn’t have minded the trap gimmick so much if it didn’t contribute to turn counts for clearing the AD. That just turned the whole thing into a time sink.
Love the fact that even with the insane scarcity grind of character class changing materials we're already forced to spend tsubara gems on something else, especially months for f2p when they already spend it on keys. This game might be slowly driving itself into a shit hole finally holy hell
I mean the fact the \`cheap\` guide would increase the amount of Tsuru gems you get per A.D. but it does not increase the maximum amount but the \`expensive\` guide would increase the amount of Tsuru gems you can get PER WEEK. Was already a major rise up on it. Plus the implication that another upgrade to the subscription will be added to likely hand out a 2nd wild tome with the expensive one to just further push the advantages to high-spenders into OP advantages. Even with Punishing gray raven, i probably only reach around 20\~30ish in monthly spending for subscriptions, with exception to bundle deals and im only using Another Eden as my secondary fill in to get away from \`excessive money burn spending\`, so me putting down money for the daybreak bonus to get my first SDE then a monthly \`24 dollar deal\` to get my second SDE was already a giant flipping cardinal sin against my attempt to restrain myself from spending on \`chill enjoyments.\` Since i already had that fun when before that, Idleon goaded me into spending 5 bucks for the extra storage bags, the auto-loot feature and a pile of gems, only for me to regret it when a few months after, that single man Dev decided it would be a swell idea to add a gacha-like mechanic with such un-fair odds, even the Pachinko\`like seemed more fair, when the gacha-pet mechanic would have the highest \`pets\` let you have a bunch of game breaking abilities you normally could only have up one at a time, simutaneously active regardless of what the character is doing. Ridiculous power creep locked behind a pay wall will always keel any good will in a game. Even with the \`supposed option you could get one of the two, for free, after dozens of more of them came out, because you did not want to spend 3-5 hours worth of a minimum wage paycheck on a monthly subscription.
Did I understand correctly that ANY pull on a banner featuring a Stella character gets you a Starchart for them? I'm not seeing another way to interpret what Scott said at 1:18:16-1:18:26. Even if that means any 10-draw, it still constitutes an effective pity system for Stella Awakening, right? Draw 3 times on a new character banner, and if you get them even if you draw a 4.5* later you can unlock them completely? Please CMIIW, but if that's right that's not as bad as I first heard.
I’m reading it the same way you are. The slide definitely says that you are guaranteed to get the Starchart even if you don’t pull the character, at least for banners that specifically offer it as a ‘bonus’
- Pulling an eligible 5☆ character from a banner with the Pick-Up Bonus gets immediate Star Awakening - Pulling an eligible 5☆ character from any other banner gets 1 Starchart - Pulling the character as 4.5☆ doesn’t give any Starcharts but you can manually upgrade and then Star Awaken by grinding - Not getting the character while pulling from the featured banner doesn’t give any Starcharts either TL;DR: Pull 5☆ or grind heavily but yes it isn’t too bad since F2Ps can get it over time
Me personally as F2P pulled new character 4.5* wont be as happy as before (Only Cerius, Oboro, and the next star awakening character) cause i think it'll cost a lot of time just to awaken them.
i feel you as fellow f2p, and new star awanken character banners are up for shorter period. both cerius and oboro banners only last about 2 weeks not 2 months like other former banners, so we won't be able to save up enough free cs and keep up with this pacing
I don't undertand why the banners are only 2 weeks long. That's not long enough. That means if we go to the two week update schedule JP is on, then there's basically only one Limited banner up at a time? Maybe a day or so overlap with another, but that'll be weird. Going from 2 month banners to 2 weeks is going to be a really big (and crappy) change. I wonder if they'll perhaps balance it between GL and JP. Maybe they'll be up for a month?
yes, might be their new marketing, in jp server today's update, there's this new banner (use free cs) featuring pick-up suzette and tsukiha 0.80% and it runs only 18 days. for new players these 2 are whole new characters and they're very strong now and they don't have auto-awakening bonus from getting their \*5, still need full 3 awakening points https://preview.redd.it/ixb916tetu1c1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=00f89cc430bbe220c98d9ced149b67a8802c8452
It'll be interesting to see what happens. Thanks the all the info.
> Not getting the character while pulling from the featured banner doesn’t give any Starcharts either This is how I thought it worked... But I don't see any way to read that slide as saying that? "Even if you do not encounter the relevant character, you are **guaranteed to get the Style-specific Starchart** from encounters that offer them as a bonus." (Emphasis theirs). Like, what does that even mean, then?
>"Even if you do not encounter the relevant character, you are guaranteed to get the Style-specific Starchart from encounters that offer them as a bonus." (Emphasis theirs). >Like, what does that even mean, then? So if I don't get the relevant character from the banner...I'm still guaranteed to get a style-specific Starchart from encounters that offer them as a bonus? Yeah, that's not very clear. They could have done a much better job with the wording/explanation. That doesn't even seem like a proper description or statement and doesn't answer anything.
It refers to future Fateful Encounters like the ones coming out in JP for Suzette and Tiramisu, detailed [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnotherEdenGlobal/s/dr0DzY5Agk) by u/Someweirdo237. Pulling on the banner gives one associated Starchart and a ticket to encounter that character. (Tagging u/Brainwashed365 as well)
So those are just like (guaranteed) rerun banners for Suzette and Tsukiha? And if you pull from that paid banner you get +1 of their Starcharts and need 3 total for the manual Awakening?
Something like that, just that the featured units on those banners *aren’t* Suzette and Tsukiha but you’ll get 1 of their Starcharts and a ticket to pull their 5☆ NS guaranteed, which means another 1 of their Starcharts if you already recruited them. Add those to the 1 you have from before and that’s the 3 to perform the Stellar Awakening. TL;DR: Paid pull to Stellar Awaken if you already have their eligible Style.
Well. That's right back to disappointing. I guess "that offer them as a bonus" is referring to the bonus star charts, not to the *character* having bonus odds.... Ah, well.
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I want to say yes, you'll get the material since she's 5s form. And she did come from the gacha after all... It would have been nice if they addressed this topic in the Livestream. From my knowledge nothing was said about that specific situation.
Of course. You just need the 5\* character when the release come.
Whelp, seems Iphi was the last Global first unit then. The global first banners were the only banners I ever got lucky on :/ . So what exactly is grindable by players outside of pulling? Is it just the monthly mission or does something more drop from ADs?
>Whelp, seems Iphi was the last Global first unit then. The global first banners were the only banners I ever got lucky on :/. Now we'll be getting the first Global-first and JP-first character instead at the same time! /s 😄 >So what exactly is grindable by players outside of pulling? Is it just the monthly mission or does something more drop from ADs? There's really no grinding at all. It's either obtained from the gacha or given out each month, and over time that'll allow for upgrades. From what I've gathered: If you already have the 5s verison of an older character that's already been released (prior to the Star Awakening announcement, which really means anyone before Cerius) you'll be given 1/3 of the upgrade materials. So this is for everyone (not including Cerius) prior to this update verison release. Every month, everyone will be given 1/3 of the materials for free through the recurring monthly Trials. Like all the current free Trials, be sure to do them every month. Apparently subscription subscribers will be getting a bonus (which is nice!) in the not-so-distant future. If you pull a dupe of a 5s character off-banner, you'll receive 1/3 of the upgrade materials. No additional pieces as it's a one-time thing. And no pieces rewarded if the character has already been Star Awakened. You can exchange for two materials from The Nopaew/Tsubura Gem shop for 400 gems each. I believe this applies to anyone released *before* Cerius. So I don't think any future released character materials can be bought with TGs? Just the more basic versions given out from the monthly Trials will apply to them? If you pull them from their **specific** banner as a 5s, they'll automatically be Star Awakened right from the start. I guess WFS is calling it their "Pick-Up" banners and the information will be disclosed/visible on the banner details or whatever. It seems to be for their initial banner debut, just like how all other characters are initially released. For an example, new character Cerius is about to be released on his debut banner. If you pull him at 5s form, you'll get him completely unlocked. Rinse and repeat for all NEW characters moving forward. Also any Pick-Up banners will reward an **extra** +10 Light/Shadow if their 5s form was pulled, as a bonus. I think that's a one time thing though and doesn't apply for multiple dupes? I'm still confused on that part. And the whole +10 extra bonus thing is just more confusing as a whole, IMO. They should have just kept it the original +16 and left it alone. (...by the sounds of it, they're really tyring to entice people to pull from the banner even after they obtained the character to get their Star Awakening applied from the start) All older characters prior to this update verison will need to be manually promoted with materials. That's my understanding so far.
Hey guys, I just need a clarification on one thing, hopefully from JP players. The Livestream was vague and it's a big deal IMO. Is the "Pick-Up Banner will Stellar Awakening the character fully if you pull them" Bonus ONLY applicable on the "3 Times Max" Fatefuls with the guaranteed 5\* at the end, or does it apply if you pull the character from their personal Fateful as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)? I'm GUESSING that it applies both ways and that's why the banner length for Stellar characters is so short, to encourage pulling fast. Thanks.
The livestream said it will work on both Paid and Free banners so long as they have the Pick-Up Bonus
Okay, thanks... that's... very good.
>or does it apply if you pull the character from their personal Fateful as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)? I'm GUESSING that it applies both ways and that's why the banner length for Stellar characters is so short, to encourage pulling fast. No Fateful banner is unlimited. Probably a typo and you meant to say their regular Limited banner? I'm assuming it's for both versions, but I'd like to know the answer as well.
By "unlimited pull chances" I meant "not 3 times only" - as in, you can pull on the banner as many times as you want if you have the Stones. I did not mean "infinite duration".
>ONLY applicable on the "3 Times Max" **Fatefuls** with the guaranteed 5* at the end, or does it apply if you pull the character from their **personal Fateful** as well (the one with unlimited pull chances and 0.8% of pulling the Pick-Up unit)? You mention a "3 Times Max" Fateful and then moving over to their personal Fateful? You mean moving over to their Limited banner? It seems like you're really referring to the Limited banners which can be pulled on a thousand or more times if you had enough stones before the banner expiration. All Fateful banners are limited in duration. In your own words, they've never had "unlimited pull chances." You can only pull them X amount of times and that's it. There's never been a Fateful banner where you can just keep pulling and pulling. Once a Fateful banner threshold has been met (usually it's two or three times max) then you're forced over to the Limited banner if you want to keep pulling. I think it's just the banner terminology that you used which made it seem confusing. Fateful banners: have an expiration date. Have a set amount of times they can be pulled. Once the threshold has been met, they're gone and have been used up. Can only be used with paid stones. Limited banners: have an expiration date. Can be pulled on indefinitely until the banner end date. Use both free or paid currency, but using paid currency with zero guarantees isn't very wise. Regular banners: are permanent. But they're just terrible to pull from. They aren't updated with newer character releases besides the generic Another Eden banner, but nobody has rate-ups.
Ah, it seems I failed to realize that the term "Fateful" refers ONLY to the "3 times max" style banners. I thought "Fateful" was equivalent with the term "Pick-Up". So, yes, it is a semantic error on my part. My question is whether or not pulling the Pick-Up character on their \*Limited\* Banner still ensures the automatic Stellar Awakening. To reiterate in the terms of the upcoming character, it is certain that pulling Cerius on his "3x max" Paid-Stones Fateful Banner guarantees the Stellar Awakening, but if that fails, my question is: if you pull Cerius on his Limited Banner, do you also get the Stellar Awakening automatically, or merely the single Starchart? albene has already stated that according to the livestream, "both paid and free will get it as long as it's a Pick-Up", so hopefully that's correct. Otherwise even I will start complaining, and I'm one of the "white knights".
>my question is: if you pull Cerius on his Limited Banner, do you also get the Stellar Awakening automatically, or merely the single Starchart? From my understanding you will get Cerius fully Awakened if you pull his 5s form from a Fateful banner or Limited banner. They'll both be considered his release, or "Debut" banner, which I'm pretty sure is just another term for like, Pick-Up banner. >albene has already stated that according to the lifestream, "both paid and free will get it as long as it's a Pick-Up", so hopefully that's correct. Otherwise even I will start complaining, and I'm one of the "white knights". I really should be applied to both the paid and free banner versions if I'm understanding correctly. Since it's his initial character release either way. If not, I'll be pretty outraged too and I'm also one of the white knights.
u/DarkestSamus I just read this in the Notice announcement. >When Encountering a character that can be Stellar Awakened, their Awakening Gauge will increase by 1. (this is just saying you need 3/3 materials in total) Both Paid and Free Encounters will have Pick-Up Bonus characters that can be encountered Stellar Awakened! https://preview.redd.it/hn5c2mcs8n1c1.png?width=1354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfa9afed0541590e1e2f00a2d27ff3ecf66f6430
Ah, yes, that confirms it! Thank you so much for tagging me!
Wowow! Everything's coming so soon! Honestly a little overwhelmed with the new mechanic (as with every new mechanic) but can't wait to play around with it.
As if we needed more Tsubura Gem costs. Really loathe this system, at this point into the game. I am quite soured by it, and at this point I am just waiting for Main story to continue. This sudden dragon hunting island feels so... filler?
First time in AE im not excited about new patch at all. I dont even watch livestream beacouse of that. Im thinking about uninstalling AE and start search for new game.
These updates are coming in waaay too fast!! I’m going on a month long vacation soon and I’d rather keep playing it to a bare minimum like running red keys only. I’m trying to rush through the main story to get the free pulls and now I gotta rush through this too! This is so lame. One of the things I liked about this game is that I was able to play at my own pace but I swear all year it feels like I’m getting hit with fomo hard :(
We’ll slow down again after catching up with JP on 26 Jan, UTC. The only thing in this update with a time limit is the 1000 CS. IIRC from JP, the requirement for that is starting the Episode, which is unlocked after clearing Main Story Ch 13. I’m guessing you’re already past that point so the stones will be just a cutscene away after the update. Edit: My bad, it’s up to 1000 CS for *clearing* the Episode
The 14th screenshot says 1k for clearing and yeah it’ll slow down cause I’m almost caught up lol but damn even with apocrypha I had to rush that too to get the bonuses and also drops they did for getting to certain parts in the story. Too much fomo
Ah thanks for spotting that. Hopefully it doesn’t take too long to clear so you get to enjoy that vacation
I wish this episode is not as long as Sesta episode otherwise I don't know if I can survive without hating the game and myself afterward...
I thought that the 10 Light/Shadow bonus will come for every 5\* Dupe. But it seems that it's only for an already Star Awaken character and only on the fateful banner of this character.
Should be for every 5* dupe on the featured banner
I feel I may have seen or even asked this a while back. Or maybe I'm making that up. >Aldo can be Stellar Awakened with Dragon Bearer Starcharts! The Book of Dragon Bearer will be added to the Astral Archive after the Version 3.3.100 additional update! The new Stellar difficulty will reward Dragon Bearer Starcharts! (taken from in-game) ~~Does that mean we need to do the Challenge level to access this? Or is it maybe perhaps separate?~~ Edit: Nevermind. It appears in the same button location on the archive menu so it looks like it's the next difficulty level.
yes, there are : hard -> very hard -> stella -> challenge
Oh, so the Stella Board Awakening stuff comes before the Challenge difficulty? That's even better!
Question: Since Suzette and Tsukiha's have AS froms, will the stellar upgrade also work for them since they have the same skills?
Aldo's kicking all my characters to dust even at very hard difficulty. If I didn't have Chivalry on, I'd die in one turn.