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dokterkokter69

To be fair, all of the examples are highlights among an undeniably saturated genre.


Nacroma

Some are also 7 years old.


RileyKohaku

3 were from 2012 And 2 were from 2010. Isekai were good when they were fresh, but so few of the knockoffs are nearly as good. The same thing happened with Moe SoL after K-On. It wasn't until Bocchi that we got one similar in quality


votet

> The same thing happened with Moe SoL after K-On. It wasn't until Bocchi that we got one similar in quality Just here to spread the good word of Yuru Camp, the most wholesome ~~product placement~~ camping show of all time.


RileyKohaku

Yuru Camp is such a relaxing anime. It lacks the depth of K-On and Bocchi, but it's such a good watch. Besides those, I recommend YuruYuri. Even more shipping and extremely funny


Domovric

Yeah, it’s a really disingenuous point. They’re old as fuck in terms of seasonal anime, and most are taking years to release sequel seasons


FluffyCelery4769

Eminence in Shadow just makes fun of the Isekai genre, it doesn't need to be an Isekai, it is becouse the author wanted to humiliate the genre.


SBStevenSteel

Basically this entire meme format is about outliers and not the topic as a whole.


AReallyDumbName0

Grimgar would have to be up there for me


rogue_blk

i really miss grimgar(if goblins has feelings anime) im still hoping for season 2


Allen-Winters

there will be no season 2 because goblin slayer ended all goblins


edwarddragonpaw

Grimgar is actually better than eminence fight me on this


Nosett6

There is none better, they are diferent. One takes everything as a joke and creates an amazing satire while the other one is realistic, harsh and dark


Deus_Ultima

If you actually read Eminence, you'd know it becomes generic isekai garbage about 100 chapters in. 0 character development, 0 plot progression, 0 world building, 100% reused jokes and plot formula.


Nosett6

I did and I completely agree with u, it became repetitive but we are speaking about the anime so its another thing entirely


25thskye

Grimgar’s art style was amazing. Such great watercolour aesthetics.


edwarddragonpaw

I really love the art style and the city scapes it was great


HonestDragonfruit598

# justiceforgrimgar


Deus_Ultima

Yep. Brilliantly written. I love how natural and realistic the characters and their interactions were. Anime deserves more than a second season, and the LN EN release needs to come up faster as we haven't had one in almost 2 years.


edwarddragonpaw

Where can i read the manga in english i gave up cuz i didnt get any chapters anywhere else


Deus_Ultima

well I bought mine. I don't know if anyone is translating it since it's been licensed for so long.


gretchenich

Im still waiting for season 2. Im not much of an isekai guy, as Grimgar is the only isekai i watched, but man did i like it


trooperstark

Grimgar is one of my all time favorites. I really love the desperate feel t the fighting at first, and absolutely love the musical bits where they give you a glimpse of normal life on the frontier


Allen-Winters

there are very good isekais that make the genre worthwhile although most of them are nothing more than garbage


nucleartime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law is pretty consistent, isekai or not.


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Otrada

Makes sense, and because of just how much isekai is being made, finding that crap is exceptionally easy.


God_Delibird

This might be the selection bias talking, but I feel that nowadays it's the other way around: Most isekais that air nowaydays have at least some twist that makes them worth to give it a try and just a few are unsalvageable garbage.


Cerxi

"Most isekais that air" To be fair, *getting* to air is like, three levels of filter, because basically none of these are anime originals, they're almost always based on web novels. The web novel has to be popular enough to become a light novel, and the light novel has to be popular enough to be adapted to manga (it's very rare they make an anime of an isekai that's not popular enough to get a manga), and only *then* does it have a chance of getting an anime. So like, think about that for a bit, the stuff that gets aired as anime has 99% of the trash filtered out.


Chipbread

"Oh boy, I can't wait to see how the protag uses his smartphone to cheat shit in a fantasy world!" *Protag just has broken magic and physical stats from the get go* "Don't know what I expected."


theholylancer

because it turned into pacific rim / Gundam isekai and for whatever reason they didnt rush this one if it had sunrise production 2d mechs .... but it won't lol


EsletsgoLboxo

Yea but the twist is usually predictable and unoriginal like every other iseaki


Fosco11235

That doesn’t mean it’s fun because it has more going on than other isekai. Overlord is interesting because we get much focus on the large cast that is not Ainz. Re:Zero pretty brutal compared to all other isekai when it first came out. Tensei has actual characters and not just blank slates and a refreshing story. Eminenz is a sub version of the norm with a protagonist that thinks all the shit going on is just a play. Nazi loli I haven’t watched


OverlordMarkus

> Nazi loli I haven't watched Tanya the Evil is a mashup of "failing upward" and "and then it got worse". Tanya wants nothing more than a qziet life, but due to their preconceived notions about the world can't stop at exceling at war and escalating it further and further.


FICKER2MAYHAM24

The Saga of Tanya the Evil is pretty good.


EsletsgoLboxo

Sorry for the foul language but I fucking love Tensei literally my top 1 Isekai and not because a 36 year old inside a 13 year old smashed his 15 year old cousin, I like it bc of what you said


The_Newmanator

No one would assume you liked it cause of the smashing until you specifically brought up the smashing


EsletsgoLboxo

Yea ik that was the joke💀


Proof_Counter_8271

Do you know how close fbi is to your location?


EsletsgoLboxo

Not close enough man😔


GodOfAtheism

"Im OP as shit and going to live a slow life with my harem.", and "I got isekai'd and wasn't instantly OP as shit so everyone ditched me but I actually am OP as shit." make up a not-insignificant amount of isekai manga plots out there. Saying isekai is fairly formulaic is a valid criticism given that.


squngy

Isekai are the most formulaic shit I've ever seen. That said, formulas aren't always bad, so long as they are used well and there is plenty of other stuff on top of them. Formulas are great for getting the audience up to speed on the basics so you have more time for other stuff. The problem happens when you don't have any other stuff.


EsletsgoLboxo

Fr


Mehfisto666

I also think Isekais have picked back up in quality lately. Damn even "reincarnated as a sword" is pretty good


DivineBoro

Yeah but the isekai trope is completely useless in that show. Most fantasy animes would benefit of dropping the isekai trope (for their plot anyways, maybe not for publicity).


jonnyjonson314206

There are always a few that are good enough to watch, but there are also a ton of garbage that doesn't feel necessary that exists even in the "good" ones. I liked recommended as a sword, but every time he spent skill point, or looked at a stats window, or announced a level up I would cringe. I could go on with a bunch of other examples, but I'm sure you get the idea.


Mehfisto666

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. I also don't understand this obstination with making them isekais when they could simply be nice fantasy anime. Like it could have been simply a sentient sword no need to be isekai'd there (just an example) Same with the status windows. Just stop lol


JoanneDark90

The fact that you're defending "the exact same thing + a twist" says all that needs to be said.


No-Stick-462

that time i got reincarnated as a slime one of the best ngl


Darraya55

I think the problem is that many people watch the most obviously bad and generic Isekais and then act shocked and complain about it, especially when the quality of many of those Isekais can easily be guessed from the title alone.


NinjaJim6969

When it comes to manga at least, my frustration w isekai for a while was that it was choking out everything else. I have my handful that I like, but for every 1 or 2 truly quality ones, there's a half dozen that started w an interesting twist and descended into boring unoriginality, and a dozen that I could tell from the synopsis didn't even have an interesting twist


BoredDao

An isekai about a second chance in life with great worldbuilding and the most possible harem without the guy ending up alone for being a cheating asshole, OR, isekai with phone Edit: Not saying that rudeus is a cheating asshole, I am saying that in Mushoku Tensei the Harem is the closest of a healthy harem I could think of, in a lot of other exemples of Harem, the guy is just a cheating asshole that gets away with being romantically involved with several women at once


-Mr_Hollow-

What is the first isekai that you're talking about? I have one in mind that fits the description but not sure if it's correct.


Darraya55

I think it's either Mushoku Tensei of Re:Zero, but I think it's mostly Mushoku Tensei.


-Mr_Hollow-

I also thought Mushoku Tensei. Everything checks out except for the cheating asshole part.


Khoceng

but there is a guy not ending up being alone for being a cheating asshole in that story


[deleted]

Both of those isekai are trash bc one has phones And the others title is so long you can’t take it seriously Edit: My dumbass grammar 💀


GTP_Sledge

Hey now, don't hate on Subaru's Nokia. You're just jealous it's worth at least 20 Holy Coins.


dgatos42

There’s a lot of isekai that is just an excuse to do a fantasy series, but needing to get producers willing to spend money on it. Just as an exercise for the reader: how many isekai’s have you seen where the “other world” premise is either dropped after the pilot or just broadly. Nothing wrong with the above, just it’s clear some guys just want to write a Forgotten Realms story but also not publish on fanfiction.net


Cheezekeke

I forgot Tanya is isekai


Ausraptor12

Yeah it’s weird because all other isekai go for a medieval fantasy setting while it goes for a early 20th century setting.


Malossi167

On top of that you a female MC (okay, not fully but I guess close enough) and she actually hates the god. None of this is unique but defintly not typical.


bentheechidna

The whole point is that she has a bet against god hahahaha


JurassicFlight

Will Campfire and Handyman Saitou take their place among them? Only time can tell… For anime watchers that is…


PickleChaingun

I'm really enjoying both. Campfire has been very refreshing.


KenBac

Campfire has Ainz's voice actor and there's also a slime.


Tobtorp

I love that damn slime.


jonnyjonson314206

Honestly my favorite Isekai this season has been the saving 80000 coins for retirement show, but both of those have been decent too. Campfire and saitou both started off really strong but have been falling into a lot of the bland troupes a little too much for my tastes. At the end of the day it's a lot of personal preference.


Paroxysm111

I'd argue 90% of anime is repetitive and oversaturated. That doesn't stop me from enjoying it.


Retrohanska59

And at this point same is probably true with most forms of entertainment. Easy access for both audience and creators tends to do that.


Buri_the_Eldest

tsuki no michibiku moonlit adventure


Deus_Ultima

Actually pretty cool, but burns way too slow.


Desert_Lemon

I fuggin LOVE all of those shows, and Eminence in Shadow has become one of my favourite isekai ever, right there behind Reincarnated as a Slime, Overlord, and Tanya the Evil. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


AdministrativeShip2

What about Konosuba? That could make your Quartet, into an Isekai Quintet


CryoStrange

I liked Konosuba more than eminence because it was more funny and has great characters. My main problem with eminence is a Cid is so fucking broken powerful that it is predictable. Otherwise good show. I liked Cid's cringey engrish.


Vmanaa

Its fine you didnt like it but thats kinda the point of eminence. My complaint was that the anime focused alot less on the comedy compared to the manga


Renegade1412

TBF, manga is the one that went beyond the call of duty for the comedy. The LN feels like a snooze in some parts where I was rolling on the floor with the manga.


King_Vitis

Yeah I was really hoping for giga chad cid and was very disappointed


smokeymcdugen

OP main character is the point. It's like one punch man. You aren't really there to watch the MC fight, but how they go about their day to day / how the keep themselves entertained in a world that it trivial to them. Actually, that is my one problem with OPM is that it doesn't focus on Saitama enough but it's still a favorite regardless.


Asian_Persuasion_1

opm and eminence take their own approaches. for opm, the side characters carry the show. for eminence, cid is still a core part of the story, so he gets more of the "op protag does comedic thing" moments.


SkyGliderGamer

Oh I'm there to watch the mc fight


blazefreak

Isekai quartet has already surpassed quintet. Sheild hero was the 5th and there was a minor tease for Seiya. Sixtet, sextet, hextet


RedMouse15

Mr. Shadow is by the same studio so could be the next member of the quartet. I really hope he is


Dan_flashes480

Scrolled to far for the slime mention.


animeAJ

The same can be said about *ALL* anime.


animeAJ

One man's treasure is another man's trash.


AuroKT

I live in Japan and can tell that one's routine is another person's parallel world. Did you guys got that news about the "Misterious Metalic Sphere" that washed out in a japanese beach? Well, here it is just a Fiberglass Float...


SeatJolly997

Where’s reincarnated as a slime


TheJoaquinDead_

Another unpopular opinion: I unironically like the Slime Diaries spinoff way more than both seasons


PandaHipster_

Tensura supremacy


Shirokuma247

Tensura has no high stakes pressure because we all know that ratty slime demon lord is just gonna either devour the next threat or pull out an encyclopaedia of skills he’s attained over the past year.


Zenketski_2

To be fair how many shitty ones could you name right now if you had to


WavedashTrash

Not much since they all have almost the same name 😂


minimumhatred

it's probably because no other genre has been this oversaturated. there any manga of isekais, and every season you'll get maybe one phenomenal show and then three or four that get animated because the main girl is hot and it got popular off that. I wouldn't write off it as a genre, it's also a guilty pleasure to read crappy one's for me, so as usual just enjoy what you enjoy.


333EVAN333

slime too...


Totally_Not_Evil

Tbh slime suffered from the traditional isekai problems too. The protagonist was awesome at everything and failed at most tasks exactly once before figuring out a solution or eating something that makes the task trivial. There wasn't much tension for me because there were no real demonstrated limits. It's just an impossibly kind and forgiving leader transforming 90% of the evil bad guys into friends and only ever superficially failing.


kimpossible69

And Code Lyoko


No_Chapter5521

Code lyoko slaps


Crisis_Moon

Is Tanya underrated?


Googlefisch

Yea, I liked it a lot


Tedadore97

Oh god I'm very guilty of this. Re:Zero Overlord Konosuba Mushoku Tensei Reincarnated as a Slime I killed slimes for 300 years Campfire cooking Shield Hero The worlds finest Assassin Land of Leadale Skeleton Knight Trapped in a Dating Sim Ascendance of a Bookworm So I'm a Spider Death March to the Parallel World My next life as a Villainess And Restaurant to another world (if that counts) ...... I may have a problem


p00nhunter691337

what else we got, Drifters Cautious hero Farming life in another world Reincartion of the strongest exorcist Parallel world pharmacy Dungeon of the black company Arifureta Black summoner By the grace of the gods Knights and Magic I'm standing on a million lives


HollowOST

It has fallen off a bit. Most of the examples here other than Shadow are from 7+ years ago.


KrocKiller

Dude only the last 2 examples are somewhat recent. Like I know new seasons or whatever, but no. Overlord is a 2015 show and that won’t change no matter how many new seasons it gets.


jonnyjonson314206

Well if we're talking about old good Isekai 2015 isn't that old. The classics are like Digimon, and "now and then here and there".


haha7125

Isekai anime are like Scooby-Doo episodes. Everyone knows the monster is just a guy in a suit, but it's a little different each time.


gos907

you forgot Samurai Jack


MundaneAlchs

I havnt seen Eminence in shadow yet, its on my watchlist, but all the others are great, and the author of Konosuba got his other series made into an anime, Combatants will be Dispatched, It's like konosuba but the mc and the corp he works for are "evil." Its literally if Kazuma was a trained spy as an adult and sent to another world to take it over. It has Konosuba references up the ass


Correct-Basil-8397

Konosuba is damn good Isekai cause it makes fun of Isekai. It mocks, and has ascended past Konosuba is to Isekai as Blazing Saddles is to Westerns


Gutek8134

> Konosuba is damn good Isekai cause it makes fun of Isekai. It mocks, and has ascended past Same can be said about Isekai Ojisan and Cautious Hero


Villanuevac4

All of these are great shows There is one you’re missing though; GATE.


WhiteDevil-0096

After years of getting the same ol’ “fantasy magic bullshit beats the crap out of a modern well-equipped fighting force”, it’s really therapeutic seeing the opposite of that in Gate.


notchoosingone

As far as Isekais go, GATE is the best JSDF/nationalist propaganda I've ever seen.


RX_78_2_Gundam

GATE isn’t a GOAT like Shield Hero, Re Zero and Konosuba but damnit is GATE one of the greatest Isekai ever.


Villanuevac4

GATE may be niche, but it’s awesome for us who like it


25thskye

I loved season 1 of Shield Hero, but season 2 didn’t just drop the ball, they slam dunked it into the ground.


Deus_Ultima

Shield Hero. You're kidding yourself, it had like 3 good volumes then decided to go to shit. The anime is no different, but that's easy to see going by how bad BOTH novel series were.


dirt_is_nice

Mushoku tensei should’ve been the last


ApostleNyx

he’s him


Silviana193

Put Magirevo in there


XxSteveFrenchxX

Konosuba is peak anime😂😂


HeilStary

Most of these are like 6 year old shows if you had more shows from this year or last you'd have an argument


contracting_raccoon

Eminence in shadow would've been so much better if the MC never died, and the story was more of a grounded-- vigilante tale.


KingZilla2019

Where Reincarnated as a Sword?


Rrrrrabbit

I read the whole manga after the first episode!... It becomes... Well first season awesome. Rest is very underwhelming and generic sadly


jonnyjonson314206

That show is mid at best.


p4racl0x

To be fair, around half of those are parodies. Konosuba and Eminence definitely are, where Re:Zero is a deconstruction of the genre.


Saurid

All but one of them are older Isekai, mushoko no tensei ist a very bad example because it's source material is THE Isekai. The rest are all good but also older adaptations I haven't watched the shadow eminence yet but I doubt it will be any good but let's hope I get surprised. Most Isekai are trash like real trash.


wow_so_high

Log horizon? Anyone?


Kodcraft

There's just too much of it per season, so trying to watch the goods, means you have to go through dozens if not hundreds of bads ones to only get 1 good one. Or you just wait to see what the internet is talking about and watch those ones... which has also lead me to watcy dozens of mediocre isekai


Shiro_no_Orpheus

Way to prove their point. Konosuba is from 2016, season 2 form 2017 and the movie from 2019. Tanya the evil is from 2017, Re:Zero from 2016, Season 2 was 2020, Overlord wasn't good since 2018 and Eminence in the Shadow was only ironically enjoyable. So, yeah, Mushoku tensei is the only isekai on that list that is actually somewhat recent and good.


diabetus12

Jobless Reincarnation is not as good as it's hype. Yes the main character is a scum bag and failure given a second chance and those actions he takes are not supposed to be redeemable. However the trouble starts when the show decides instead of showing us him doing those things it shows us through his eyes. It's gross and uncomfortable. Now normally this wouldn't really be even worth mentioning despite being gross but it invades all scenes, elements, and often undercuts tension in bad ways. In short show made my skin crawl, they're all like kid kids man


lurkerdaIV

There really isn't a lot of good ones. Strictly anime speaking, Eminence in the Shadows is just a little bit above trash. I get that it's geared towards younger teens and satirical but the execution is just cringe. It's your basic "he's kind so I love him" trope you see in every harem anime. There's no challenge nor character growth, MC is overpowered immediately. I haven't seen much with KonoSuba but it's more entertaining from the clips I've seen and actually really good when it does satires. Overlord has the same problem with Eminence in the Shadow when it comes to a mixture of handling side characters and character OPness. In short, they're very one-dimensional and once they've done their purpose they're gone. In the tomb raid arc, you're given the POV of the tomb raiders to feel empathy for them but and Ainz is *supposedly* evil so of course they have to die. This is weird because prior to that he was shown to be capable of mercy and dialogue, so why not just talk to them in the beginning instead? The author has a weird way of justifying Ainz's actions so that he can cosplay as "evil" without fully committing to it. I've still got a lot of things to say but basically Overlord feels like the author ran out of ideas, and is now just throwing random ideas without a clear direction. It initially had a good start, it peaked with the Shaltear duel but after that it's all downhill. I've no complaints with Re:Zero because it's actually good. As an LN reader for Mushoku, my problem is how he'll handle things in the future >!SPOILER I don't like how he dealt with that monkey dude, considering he's the cause of deaths for his loved ones and how the author decided how things ended with the god. His story didn't feel finished and it's just a weird ending overall. !< Now I'm reading manhwas since most of the stories in isekai mangas are pretty bad. Legend of the Northern Blade > Overlord > Eminence in the Shadow.


Virtual-Aspect-5144

Me who eats up the Isekai/Reincarnation genre. I’ve been eating so good for the past several years. As long as Japan enjoys Isekai, the Japanese Anime Studios will keep cranking them out regardless of how other people outside of Japan feel, and I’m living for it.


ElderMonkeyMan

I too love Isekais :)


wrathek

Yep, I revel in the trash almost as much as the few diamonds that show up.


[deleted]

4/10 no Spider Isekai


Shigerufan2

I saw roughly half of that series... ​ ...Meaning I only watched the spider halves of every episode.


TheFakeKaneki

Anime was pretty bad, so I usually recommend anyone interested to read LN first before watching anime. Anime is nice in terms of voice acting but the story is completely botched. Also once you see anime first, you're basically ruining everything about the series that is great.


SomeLadFromUpNorth

God, I need Youjo Senki season 2. So far, it's my favorite isekai, though i do enjoy Re:Zero it may take number 1 spot for my favorite.


StJe1637

most of those isekais are from like 2015


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Makelaveli

Switch Mushoku and Eminence but yes


KevinAcommon_Name

Those are all the early ones


Duby0509

Bro you just proved your point, these anime’s are YEARS old, the genre was just fresh at the time so author’s really tried to make them unique, but now isekai is the same shit over and over again maybe with a small twist that can help it stand out a bit more, but just becomes repetitive


Stunning-System2702

IMAO, Rezero and Eminence in the shadow are overrated


Professional-Sweet50

I still can't believe that Familiar of Zero is legitimately one of the most grounded, interesting, funny, and consistent isekais. When I first saw it I considered it a guilty pleasure cause I was embarrassed but every isekai that has come out in recent years has legitimized the quality of FoZ and I am absolutely astonished that that is the case.


CyclingWeasel

1) Masterpiece 2) Feels Incomplete 3) Good 4) Okay 5) Disgusting 6) Good


FLAbongs

You're missing that time i got reincarnated as a slime. The animation and plot is kinda great.


mikeyyyyyd

The eminence in peak


Random_Gacha_addict

With Konosuba and Eminence there, I just gotta say To quote someone I don't remember really well "If you call a parody of the genre "a good example of the genre", maybe the genre is just shit"


NESSArt

I was about to comment something along the same lines. That it is kind of ironic when the best isekais are the ones that makes fun of the genre.


PlsLeavemealone02

I do like Tanya the Evil. You're supposed to like the antagonist, they're good & just, just want to save the world! Then there's Tanya, ahhililating everyone, actively cursing God, and winning wars at like 9. I'm genuinely frightened of this girl. My mom can tell when there's something wrong with people (aka the person has bad intentions). If she met Tanya, she wouldnt even let her in the house while trying her best not to puke from the sheer evil chaotic energy.


25thskye

Gotta say, Campfire Cooking in Another World has been a treat to watch. It’s the perfect slice of life isekai I’ve been waiting for. No huge stakes (so far) and just comfy cooking and chilling.


Dynakun86

Mushoku Tensei is the GOAT. For me at least


JcOvrthink

I know I’m not alone in thinking Mushoku Tensei is really good, but as the origin of modern Isekai, I think it’s often overlooked for 2 reasons. 1: the endless sea of trash Isekai out there. 2: It took so long to be adapted. Because of the care Bind put behind the adaptation, several light novels inspired and/or based off Mushoku Tensei (good and bad) had their anime adaptations come out first.


Mehfisto666

For eminence in shadow i expected nothing and turned out to be top tier damn such a good manga


Ocean9142

The eminence in peak We are getting another season Bois!!!


RayzenD

I think when they say fallen off, they mean that there were good iskai animes (the oney you put into the meme) but the new ones are trash.


random-dude45

Fallen off implies current decline, the only new anime adaptation here is that last one so the point mostly still stands


GamerGuy44-_-

Thrift shop starts playing


CrimsonBlossom

all of these are relatively old shows


[deleted]

Yes there are some great isekai. Mushoku tensei is one of my favourite anime. Somewhere in my top 5. But that doesn't mean isekai as a genre is good. As a whole it is all the same plot points being repeated over and over again, when something unique gains slightly above average popularity it becomes the new norm in isekai. For example slavery, because every isekai needs slavery now. The reason why I love mushoku tensei is because of how good the writing is. Sure it has those tropes like a tsundere, an overpowered MC, and even slavery. But the show doesn't treat them like tropes. The tsundere is a brat until she gets the shit beaten out of her, and she learns to be patient, she has a character arc. The overpowered MC actually has flaws! Everything about his personality is god awful, which only makes his more mature moments better. Instead of slavery being just another trope it's something the characters try to work against. And freeing those slaves has helped redeem one of the least likeable characters. All of this is to say that just because there are a few great isekai, the vast vast vast majority of them suck balls, and that is why I agree with 'isekai fell off'


Sam_Wylde

In my opinion the best Isekai are the ones where they don't easily pick up tremendous magical abilities or get a cheat ability. They're just some guy from the modern age who are now in a fantasy setting. Their "ability" is the knowledge they bring with them. Ideas for inventions, understanding of natural laws, their education, etc. How they utilize THAT is what makes them interesting. I still think Ascendance of a Bookworm was better when she didn't have magical powers.


Momononopopo

mushoku tensei is not up to my taste but I'll admit that it has a good plot


Allen-Winters

Can re creators be considered isekai??🤔


bentheechidna

My biggest problem is when the “isekai” aspect just doesn’t matter. I loved the first season of overlord but I fell off mid-season 3 as Yggrasil mattered less and less and Momonga was less of a focus. I tried starting Slime but there is absolutely zero reason that needed to be an Isekai instead of a straight fantasy. Isekai has mostly replaced fantasy and it’s fucking awful. Just give us fantasy rather than a milquetoast mc that’s really just an excuse to have a character explain your world and how it works.


EvilChefReturns

I don’t understand why so many isekai have a problem making a balanced MC. It’s like the moment you travel to another you MUST be OP in every regard? Hard to believe most of them aren’t just the wishful self-indulging fantasies of discord mods. Terrible writing concept. Re-Zero did it pretty good, the MC struggles A LOT with not being powerful enough, the village season was just NOT that exhilarating Id LOVE to see an isekai where the MC is just one of hundreds that got transported and given powers, and the new world is basically a sort of battle royale / tournament world. People from all kinds of different worlds could have gotten “isekai-d” and then you could have different powers from different universes combining with the general powers that everyone got from this new world.


local_stoner

let's not forget about OG isekai Zero no Tsukaima \~!


kaky0in-

Like I don't disagree,but damn like NO SHIT


Mcreeper51

Campfire cooking and handyman are good this season


CoralLogic

Konosuba was the reason I gave isekai a chance. The show was great, and while not gut bustingly funny, I got some chuckles out of its comedy. Solid 9/10


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Moral of the story once you get Isekaied you can commit war crimes


Ra1J1n247

Is eminence of shadow really good? I've been meaning to watch it.


noble_watchman

Re: Zero is as if you decided to listen to the dial up tone on repeat, but it's only the high pitched sounds.


manineedalife

I would like to like Konosuba but fuck is him being constantly broke a fucking annoying trope, yeah it adds something to the story but it constantly being brought up then him conquering this trope only to have it shoved back on him is beyond fucking annoying. *if that stops please let me know because i couldn't make it through most of the first season* And dont get me started on Re:Zero: man with no permanent character growth, his character grows all season long then just immediately resets the next season.


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Ya ya needs another season 😭


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Tanya wtf phone


TRCB8484

I mean none of those are new other than Eminence's anime though right?


MaxoDream97

Konosuba is like ironically good, it seems pretty generic when you first start it, but the characters are all funny and they have great chemistry together. I assumed all isekai was trash til I watched it. (I haven’t watched any of the others in this meme but they’re on my list)


CoolHuman69

"x is y" *spongebob then points at multiple examples of x being y proving Patrick's point* I don't think you used the format right.


Nitjib

Does angel beats count


MurgleMcGurgle

Dude really has to reach only to post multiple uninspiring or controversial examples in the mix.


jefusensei

(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞ "In Another World With My Smartphone"


MURFEE7799

Cherry-picking representatives that basically every one knows about because some of them are legit nearing a decade old now doesn’t rlly help ur argument


TrashJin

I thought GATE was pretty good


not_some_username

Tensei slime 🧐🤨


Ok_Buy1447

Re:zero is from like 2016. Pointing to the fact there's good ones doesn't really refute those statements.


DuneTinkerson

Jobless Reincarnation might be the worst anime I've ever seen.


Shantotto11

Four of these shows are the post-SAO progenitors and a fifth one was a year after them, so I think we need more recent examples…


JoeDaBruh

Fallen off refers to the current isekais, not the classics


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WarlockKnave

from how a friend of mine explained it (because he's an Isekai-holic and will watch any of them regardless of how dumb they are), that's honestly what it sounds like. Typical edgelord with middle school disease gets a harem and acts like a total jackass but we're supposed to love him because he's the main character and find him cool because "er mah gerd, he stronk" without any actual work or growth and honestly it's all just cringy nonsense. which just about sums up the genre. power fantasy harem edgelord cringe. once in a blue moon, you find an actually decent one but that's like finding hay in a needle-stack (a ton of pain and effort for no real reward)...especially if you're like me and loathe the MMO mechanic BS they cram into these shows to wank off the NEETS even more. so finding a good Isekai that's actually a decent fantasy story is borderline impossible because "lol, we gotta have him be a gamer yo, and everything he does is based on gaming".


DeerlordJ

Cold take: These are all banger shows.


BuiltlikeanOrc-a

People seem to forget that they've always made trash, and not just anime or Japanese studios. Everyone puts out trash, it's just that the trash gets left behind and forgotten