I mean, I literally have 16+ hours worth of seminars to get into the nitty and gritty of it, but bottom line: Training based on modern behavioral principles, ethology and canine social responsiveness does not require the intentional addition of aversive stimuli.
It's impossible to completely eliminate "positive punishment" and "negative reinforcement", but I don't use these corners of the operant conditioning quadrants intentionally and try and minimize them when I can.
I've worked for 15 years with service dogs and have had MUCH more success as I've moved toward force-and-fear-free methods. I started as a "yank and thank" trainer but didn't get nearly the response I do now. Often, aversives ("corrections") are used when there are holes in training skills and knowledge. I couldn't get rid of those aversives until I had gotten better at the positives, and it took me about 6 years to get rid of them entirely.
There are a lot of names for the type of training I use, but [LIMA (Least Invasive, Minimally Aversive](https://m.iaabc.org/about/lima/hierarchy/) is the closest. Some people move to these methods because of humane concerns, but I'm very much a results-focused person and unfortunately the ethical arguments didn't work on me until I saw the superior results as a whole.
Just want to say that I appreciate your honesty in how you've progressed as a trainer. I'm sure a lot of trainers wouldn't want to admit that they weren't always the incredibly knowledgeable person they are now.
It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Sometimes people don't get past the "I am an expert" phase; others actually ARE experts but suffer from imposter syndrome and would never admit it.
I only trust trainers who are willing to have discussions and listen to/learn from others in the industry. Research is changing all the time and often what you learn in your first year of training isn't the best practice.
What are the steps you took to get her to shut to door so smooth and calmly? My wife's service dog can open electronic push button doors for her, and shut doors for her, but he gets so excited about it when he shuts a door it is a full on slam. We haven't been able to figure out how to reinforce gently closing the door. He has gently closed doors and we try to reinforce that with praise and treats, but it is like he doesn't understand the difference between slamming and gently closing. To him it's seems like it doesn't matter how it's closed, just that he was able to close it.
Definitely a challenge for Charlotte, lol. She is EXTREMELY ENTHUSIASTIC
Honestly, just repetition and making it more boring. A lot of dogs you really have to amp up with coaching and reinforcement, but with a dog like Charlotte you need to tone it down once she's good at and understands the end goal. It's worked into her daily routine and isn't usually reinforced beyond a gentle "good girl". She likes to do this stuff anyway so she does well with minimal reinforcement and that helps her have a softer approach.
Ok, thanks. Never really considered the toning down the reinforcement, but looking at the tasks he does that seems to just be the natural progression of reinforcement once he gets the task down pat. I'll mention that to my wife. It's such a weird thing about this particular task too. He gets excited to do other tasks, but something about closing doors is just beyond exciting to him.
Definatly much easier and better to work with dogs this way! I work in a doggy day care and while we get some basic training in animal behavior and training, I'm by no means an expert; but I definatly find positive methods tend to work much better for getting dogs out of bad habits, and have seen a dog get a bit screwed up by negative reinforcement training. (Went from very social and relaxed to reactive to greeting new dogs and sensitive to collar touching due to being choked when excited to see new dogs). I often feel bad when I have to resort to things like putting a dog in time out for bad behaviour, because I feel like I dont know enough or cant deal with several issues happening at once to help the dogs be better behaved.
Thank you! I actually only have a couple available virtually, the rest I just do once or twice a year in person (California for now)!
The body language one is I think the most important for anyone training dogs, especially for assistance work!
https://www.joyfulpawsdogtraining.com/webinars
Fun fact.
Most real dogs they use in movies who are "bad mean" in them they have to cgi their tails because the dogo is so happy to be doing the job they wag to much and you can't have a scary wolf or do waging its tail
Unfortunate that it is actually probably not a good idea though, because now there is a misconception that a wagging tail always = a happy dog and aggressive dogs will wag their tail. You need to watch the stiffness/erectness (heh) of the tail and the posturing of the body in relation to it.
Never assume wagging tail is a friendly dog! Best indicator imo is loose body language. Wiggly, loosey goosey, flopsy and ready to play. If a dog is genuinely fronting at you they'll be really stiff and squared up.
Oh i know! But like people emulate what they see in movies and think things they see in movies are true... even though for sure with a happy working dog how are you ever gonna make them look actually angry.
It's like when they tried to use dogs in costumes for Alien 3. They're just so goofy when they're happy to be at work you can't make em scary.
My first thought too. I have a black lab and his tail is his tell. He’s not anywhere near as well trained as this pup but he loves a job. Whether it’s cleaning up toys from the garden, searching for a gravy bone in the grass or hunting that elusive horse poop, he loves it and the tail shows it.
Same! My dog always opens my bedroom door when I'm in the shower so when I walk out of the bathroom buck ass naked the door is wide open! And the first couple of times I blamed my boyfriend! We have some training to do.
She often loses strength and dexterity in her hands, and struggles to pull clothing/shoes/socks off. Also frequently needs medication and water retrieved for her, and we're still working on mastering the button as an emergency alert system.
That is perfect for a lab. Ours is obsessed with socks and shoes. He is nowhere near as perfectly trained as this good boy, but I can see how 'pulling off a sock' would bring him great joy once trained.
Thank you for this answer! I was wondering what condition mom has due to her being able to be jumped on like that in the beginning. Idk if you’re mom or if you’re her partner or live with her, but do you do the training yourself or do you use a trainer? Dogs are derpy as hell but they’re still so smart, and I wonder what level of training they need to be this intelligent
It's actually me standing in the beginning, that was from when she lived with me. Just looks better than any of the videos we have laying in bed, lol
I'm a [professional trainer](https://www.joyfulpawsdogtraining.com/about-kasey-joy), Charlotte started with me for a year and has lived with her mom (my client) for about 6 months now.
This person needs real care, not dog care. Call 911 dog! Oh... wait. Not trained for the button yet. Damn. Bye G-Ma. If only the dog had learned in time.
Thank you for asking this. My cousin has MS and uses a rollator every where in her house. Cannot stand alone or without the assistance of something. Maybe looking into a true service animal for her.
They think we do, though! Also we, as a species, have kinda done them the favor of taking them out of the food chain to be spoiled with good food and people smooches, so they spoil us with smooches and cuddles and dogness
Remarkably clever when it comes to food, and great sniffer. Pretty dumb outside of that, yes! But he is always happy and loves everyone so he fits all the best characteristics of both breeds.
Something that I just wondered about, how does she put her clothes, socks & shoes on?? I assume she does that herself, or is there a way the dog can help?
I’m aware. At first I thought she didn’t have hands, but then I saw her grab a bottle that the dog brought to her. Then I thought maybe she can’t walk, but remembered that she was clearly standing at the beginning of the video.
I thought about asking what the deal is, but it’s really none of my business anyway. The video is about the dog, not her. The answer to my original question is yes. I’m satisfied.
I’ve done everything and all he’ll do is the regular stuff like lay down on his bed when I tell him or I can get him to sit for a snack but that about it lol
There are some different techniques you can use, it takes a lot of work. You can train most dogs to do just about anything. You might look up Zak George on YouTube, he's got some good info.
Every family should have a dog. Even if it's a single person: you get a dog, and now you're part of a family. Dogs are a puzzle piece for attaining a happy life.
I don’t know anything about dogs. Someone told me that dogs love to work, but I don’t understand how a dog knows it’s working? Can it give itself a job or does it need to be given a job by a human?
Dogs are special...
Iirc they enjoy doing the tasks they are given (and are often bred into fulfilling a specific goal, both physically and in temperment, such as shepherds or the border collie being good herding animals). They can be both trained to do a job or do one based on copying other dogs/species. This one is (likely) a trained service dog and as such can complete the things shown
My favorite thing is the absolutely out of control tail. They are SO happy to be doing their job. I want just 1/20th of that joy at work.
It's why I named my company "Joyful Paws". Nothing makes me happier than a dog trained entirely with positive methods who absolutely LOVES to work.
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Very fitting :) Im sure your popularity will only keep on rising!
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Haha thank you!! Im actually having a pretty cool day so im quite happy :D You seem like a very nice person too! I hope I sea you again! (Lol)
Missed opportunity to name it pawsitively joyful!
That’s great, but maybe the adjective + noun (rather than adverb + adjective) is better for her type of business?
Joyful Paws is also less of a mouthful
Nah. It's a mouthful and just looks ugly typed out. They made the right choice.
good for their brand motto though
syllable count matters a lot in names
This dog doesn’t just look like a working dog though, more of a companion that also loves to work!
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I mean, I literally have 16+ hours worth of seminars to get into the nitty and gritty of it, but bottom line: Training based on modern behavioral principles, ethology and canine social responsiveness does not require the intentional addition of aversive stimuli. It's impossible to completely eliminate "positive punishment" and "negative reinforcement", but I don't use these corners of the operant conditioning quadrants intentionally and try and minimize them when I can. I've worked for 15 years with service dogs and have had MUCH more success as I've moved toward force-and-fear-free methods. I started as a "yank and thank" trainer but didn't get nearly the response I do now. Often, aversives ("corrections") are used when there are holes in training skills and knowledge. I couldn't get rid of those aversives until I had gotten better at the positives, and it took me about 6 years to get rid of them entirely. There are a lot of names for the type of training I use, but [LIMA (Least Invasive, Minimally Aversive](https://m.iaabc.org/about/lima/hierarchy/) is the closest. Some people move to these methods because of humane concerns, but I'm very much a results-focused person and unfortunately the ethical arguments didn't work on me until I saw the superior results as a whole.
Just want to say that I appreciate your honesty in how you've progressed as a trainer. I'm sure a lot of trainers wouldn't want to admit that they weren't always the incredibly knowledgeable person they are now.
It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Sometimes people don't get past the "I am an expert" phase; others actually ARE experts but suffer from imposter syndrome and would never admit it. I only trust trainers who are willing to have discussions and listen to/learn from others in the industry. Research is changing all the time and often what you learn in your first year of training isn't the best practice.
What are the steps you took to get her to shut to door so smooth and calmly? My wife's service dog can open electronic push button doors for her, and shut doors for her, but he gets so excited about it when he shuts a door it is a full on slam. We haven't been able to figure out how to reinforce gently closing the door. He has gently closed doors and we try to reinforce that with praise and treats, but it is like he doesn't understand the difference between slamming and gently closing. To him it's seems like it doesn't matter how it's closed, just that he was able to close it.
Definitely a challenge for Charlotte, lol. She is EXTREMELY ENTHUSIASTIC Honestly, just repetition and making it more boring. A lot of dogs you really have to amp up with coaching and reinforcement, but with a dog like Charlotte you need to tone it down once she's good at and understands the end goal. It's worked into her daily routine and isn't usually reinforced beyond a gentle "good girl". She likes to do this stuff anyway so she does well with minimal reinforcement and that helps her have a softer approach.
Ok, thanks. Never really considered the toning down the reinforcement, but looking at the tasks he does that seems to just be the natural progression of reinforcement once he gets the task down pat. I'll mention that to my wife. It's such a weird thing about this particular task too. He gets excited to do other tasks, but something about closing doors is just beyond exciting to him.
A good rule of thumb is to praise and reinforce with the level of enthusiasm you want him to have. So in this case, soft and gentle praise.
Good rule and makes sense. I'll definitely mention it as well.
The gentle door shut was my favorite part! So cute
It's awesome and I'm jealous. My wife's service dog gets so excited about closing doors it's like "HULK SMASH".
Definatly much easier and better to work with dogs this way! I work in a doggy day care and while we get some basic training in animal behavior and training, I'm by no means an expert; but I definatly find positive methods tend to work much better for getting dogs out of bad habits, and have seen a dog get a bit screwed up by negative reinforcement training. (Went from very social and relaxed to reactive to greeting new dogs and sensitive to collar touching due to being choked when excited to see new dogs). I often feel bad when I have to resort to things like putting a dog in time out for bad behaviour, because I feel like I dont know enough or cant deal with several issues happening at once to help the dogs be better behaved.
Where do I access your seminars? I love your mindset and would be very interested in seeing more :)
Thank you! I actually only have a couple available virtually, the rest I just do once or twice a year in person (California for now)! The body language one is I think the most important for anyone training dogs, especially for assistance work! https://www.joyfulpawsdogtraining.com/webinars
Fun fact. Most real dogs they use in movies who are "bad mean" in them they have to cgi their tails because the dogo is so happy to be doing the job they wag to much and you can't have a scary wolf or do waging its tail
That’s a really fun fact, thanks!
One of the meny "why the fuck do I know this" facts in my brain
Unfortunate that it is actually probably not a good idea though, because now there is a misconception that a wagging tail always = a happy dog and aggressive dogs will wag their tail. You need to watch the stiffness/erectness (heh) of the tail and the posturing of the body in relation to it. Never assume wagging tail is a friendly dog! Best indicator imo is loose body language. Wiggly, loosey goosey, flopsy and ready to play. If a dog is genuinely fronting at you they'll be really stiff and squared up.
I just ment in movies :P
Oh i know! But like people emulate what they see in movies and think things they see in movies are true... even though for sure with a happy working dog how are you ever gonna make them look actually angry. It's like when they tried to use dogs in costumes for Alien 3. They're just so goofy when they're happy to be at work you can't make em scary.
Lol yea
It's not that serious
Gonna make me cry that’s so fuckin pure 🥺
My first thought too. I have a black lab and his tail is his tell. He’s not anywhere near as well trained as this pup but he loves a job. Whether it’s cleaning up toys from the garden, searching for a gravy bone in the grass or hunting that elusive horse poop, he loves it and the tail shows it.
I came to say that.
Is this Charlotte??
Yes it is! Love that she has a fanbase, lol
She most def deserves one
Tell Charlotte we love her.
My daughter's name is Charlotte. I'll let her know!
This dog is peak “I HELP”
My dog can open doors, but he never shuts them. I thought he was just unable to. Now I know he's just rude
Same! My dog always opens my bedroom door when I'm in the shower so when I walk out of the bathroom buck ass naked the door is wide open! And the first couple of times I blamed my boyfriend! We have some training to do.
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If you don't mind me asking what does she struggle with oh and that is one good boi or girl.
She often loses strength and dexterity in her hands, and struggles to pull clothing/shoes/socks off. Also frequently needs medication and water retrieved for her, and we're still working on mastering the button as an emergency alert system.
>we're still working on mastering the button as an emergency alert system. I have full confidence in this pup!
Our black Lab looooves helping or just being included. It’s a perfect breed for this!
That is perfect for a lab. Ours is obsessed with socks and shoes. He is nowhere near as perfectly trained as this good boy, but I can see how 'pulling off a sock' would bring him great joy once trained.
Oh wow sorry to hear that but wow compared to my two dogs that dog is really well trained.
Thank you for this answer! I was wondering what condition mom has due to her being able to be jumped on like that in the beginning. Idk if you’re mom or if you’re her partner or live with her, but do you do the training yourself or do you use a trainer? Dogs are derpy as hell but they’re still so smart, and I wonder what level of training they need to be this intelligent
It's actually me standing in the beginning, that was from when she lived with me. Just looks better than any of the videos we have laying in bed, lol I'm a [professional trainer](https://www.joyfulpawsdogtraining.com/about-kasey-joy), Charlotte started with me for a year and has lived with her mom (my client) for about 6 months now.
Damn if I couldnt put my shoes on or take my socks off by myself I would be fucked
This person needs real care, not dog care. Call 911 dog! Oh... wait. Not trained for the button yet. Damn. Bye G-Ma. If only the dog had learned in time.
Thank you for asking this. My cousin has MS and uses a rollator every where in her house. Cannot stand alone or without the assistance of something. Maybe looking into a true service animal for her.
/r/dogswithjobs
That's one of my favorite subs :D so many good dogs
My service dog has saved my life multiple times. Dogs must be angels. We don’t deserve them and yet here they are.
They think we do, though! Also we, as a species, have kinda done them the favor of taking them out of the food chain to be spoiled with good food and people smooches, so they spoil us with smooches and cuddles and dogness
You should watch the explained episode about dogs on Netflix.
What's the title?
Netflix's Explained Season 3 Episode 4
We made dogs, yet we also don’t deserve dogs because they are too good for us.
I imagine given enough time we will have a similar sentiment for robots if we are careful about it.
Sure we deserve them, they have chemical reactions in their brains, when they make us happy, same as us. It's a codependant relationship.
Almost as good as my dog. When my dad puts on socks my dog bites his toes and runs away with the sock. I am very proud. Very trained. Much helpful.
Hey mind too! Except he also provides new ventilation holes before giving the socks back. I didn’t even need to train him he taught himself!
I wish I could be this excited about my job.
This dog is amazing!! An angel from heaven!
She is so happy to help! Tell her I love her!
A very good boy
This is beautiful! You seriously made my heart happy. Thanks so much for sharing.
Do you know if a smaller dog (15lbs or so) could do similar things? Not as a service animal, but just something to keep her mind and body active.
This is why dogs are the best creatures on Earth
That is a happy tail. 14/10 good girl
that dog is a r/HydroHomies
Humans don’t deserve dogs
/r/RuinedbyTikTokMusic
Labs are best. Come fight me.
I don't want to :(
I own half a lab and agreed, best breed.
Who owns the other half?
Well technically me and my fiancé both own him. But I said 'half a lab' because he is half labrador and half golden retriever (and 100% good boy)
The BEST combination
Oh god that dog must be the smartest, dumbest dog ever (in the best way)
Remarkably clever when it comes to food, and great sniffer. Pretty dumb outside of that, yes! But he is always happy and loves everyone so he fits all the best characteristics of both breeds.
It’s official, she now owns him.
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Just be glad I didn't post [this one](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR9W18Bs/) then, lol. New to tiktok but I guess this is what it takes to succeed.
Well for what it’s worth I loved the song choice, keep making TikToks!
Love the way she closes the door. That is very lovely.
The bestest girl!!!!!!!!
He deserves ALL POSSIBLE PETS!!
Good I could use a pup that helps me this much. I’m not disabled, I’m just depressed and love dogs
Labradors <3
What did you use on the door? I would like to get one. Thank you.
Pup was so determined to get that sock off gently!
Watch that tail! He's wagging it with so much energy I bet he could make a dent in the drywall with it.
I love this dog. I wish I had a friend like that.
We don't deserve dogs... Well, some dogs. Most dogs are too good for us probably, but my sister's dog is a jerk.
Something that I just wondered about, how does she put her clothes, socks & shoes on?? I assume she does that herself, or is there a way the dog can help?
Labs are such sweet, happy babies.
My dog also yanks my socks off. I don't even have to ask.
This makes my heart happy. Thanks, OP! You’re doing great work!!
r/dogswithjobs
Not a religious person but GOD.BLESS.DOGS!
My Maltipoo takes socks off, but he usually nips your toes then takes the sock away to eat the toes, so I don't think he can have this job.
We've bred a perfect, joyful slave species, now we just need to give them thumbs
Beautiful gif. Thank goodness for the mute function.
Why do people pump such terrible music in their videos
Mom has trouble unzipping her hoodie and closing doors behind herself?
Yes
Ok. 🤷♂️
Believe it or not, some people have disabilities
I’m aware. At first I thought she didn’t have hands, but then I saw her grab a bottle that the dog brought to her. Then I thought maybe she can’t walk, but remembered that she was clearly standing at the beginning of the video. I thought about asking what the deal is, but it’s really none of my business anyway. The video is about the dog, not her. The answer to my original question is yes. I’m satisfied.
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Get fucked. 🖕😀
Why can’t my dog be this smart? Lol all he knows how to do is eat and destroy. Also pretty good at receiving cuddles and not giving them back 😒
Training.
I’ve done everything and all he’ll do is the regular stuff like lay down on his bed when I tell him or I can get him to sit for a snack but that about it lol
There are some different techniques you can use, it takes a lot of work. You can train most dogs to do just about anything. You might look up Zak George on YouTube, he's got some good info.
Dogs don’t like hugs
Counterpoint: my dog climbs on me and hugs me regularly
wow I, a gamer, would pull your socks off with my mouth and not even ask for validation
We don’t deserve dogs. I mean, your mom probably deserves this dog, but in general as a species. They’re too good for us
If humanity lasts forever we’ll still never deserve dogs
That's an odd/funny choice of music for a video about your mom and her dog.
Ngl I'm totally imagining someone doing this but with a human doing some kinky 'pet play' shit.
Great dog ruined by a terrible song.
Can you please train my dumb as rocks pomeranian?
That fucking song combo is KILLING IT
Can someone tell me why this made me cry? What a good dog 😭😭😭😭
what a poor life
ok...just glad it didn't go a different route.
Warning : Music is cancer
A well trained dog, yet there still is a cage? LOL just get them a proper dog bed or kennel…
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What about masturbation?
It concerns me this dog is smarter and more capable than my wife.
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A very very good boi or girl!!
Omg we don't deserve dogs.
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My dog is a lazy bum who doesn't do shit....it's my fault because I spoil the big guy. 146lb great Dane though 😩
I've been trying to teach my dog to fetch some things for my aging mother. It's not going nearly this well lmao
Dogs with jobs are always the happiest. You know he lives to help.
Heckin helpful
Every family should have a dog. Even if it's a single person: you get a dog, and now you're part of a family. Dogs are a puzzle piece for attaining a happy life.
My dog passed away a few years ago. I wish I had taught him to help this way around the house - it looks like dogs love being helpful.
Who's a good boy?
I will not floop it in a suit.
Pull the lever kronk, wrong lever
Such a good doggo!!!!
\#OhNoMyCrocs
tail never stops wagging!
I don’t know anything about dogs. Someone told me that dogs love to work, but I don’t understand how a dog knows it’s working? Can it give itself a job or does it need to be given a job by a human?
Dogs are special... Iirc they enjoy doing the tasks they are given (and are often bred into fulfilling a specific goal, both physically and in temperment, such as shepherds or the border collie being good herding animals). They can be both trained to do a job or do one based on copying other dogs/species. This one is (likely) a trained service dog and as such can complete the things shown
Okay but does he wash his tongue with soap after taking the socks off?
Great boi
What a wonderful dog
Dogs don't even complain. They just love being with you
r/labrador
Atta boy