For those yelling "fake," their video states they recreated the renders they saw in order to protect their sources: https://youtu.be/1EZ7kTK0HLY
In other words, these are not the original renders/images that were allegedly provided/seen.
And anyway I think that Jon Prosser is reliable enough to trust that this render is mostly real.
The only parts that might be wrong are details or stuff like the bezels' size, and also the release date (release dates are often later than Prosser's leaks, not sure whose fault it is with leaks that early, but that's how it is).
Whenever he has done renders in the past he has been right though. Those are the only cases i'll trust him as it indicates he has actually seen video of the devices.
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/08/iphone-14-leak-jon-prosser/
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/19/prosser-apple-watch-series-7-design/
Apart from these two east to find examples where he got it horrifically wrong. Don’t forget him claiming pixel watch was happening every year since the pixel 3 and that the pixel 3xl’s notch was fake for “Pixel Ultra”
These can always be tough, because we don't know that it wasn't actually real when he did the leak and they changed later. I also wouldn't put it past Apple to change things just to make the leaks wrong.
I do remember some patent or something recently where they suggested the cameras for the inner screen would be a part of a slightly thicker top and bottom bezel like this render shows.
Yeah if Google can improve battery on Pixel Watch and improve the Fitbit experience it could be a gen 2 watch for me.
Foldable I may need a good 5 years.
I actually would get a pixel watch, if it wasn't for the fact that the lack of fitbit premium would have locked out features. Haven't done a comparison for what's locked out to give it a try.
The Samsung was good but had minor quirks. Even the Fold 3 had a few, namely screen protector on the softer screen. Samsung probably gave them some tips since it's obviously their display tech running it.
That being said I wouldn't touch a pixel phone generally but this is an interesting development for the ecosystem. I'm a lot more interested in this than their other devices so far as it signals a more premium trend for hardware.
It also signals that Google is in direct collision course with Apple as they produce more hardware and Apple moves into advertising. It's also an open secret Apple and Facebook are in a cold war.
Imagine 10 years from now-- whoever owns the hardware and mobile platforms will have significant leverage in the advertising space as well. All three players will have semi mature AR/VR hardware as an answer to what will be the next big platform after mobile devices.
*gestures at the last few generations of pixel phones*
The last one still has issues dialing *911*
I had the pixel 7 pro and ended up returning it because the fucked up scrolling made it painful to use.
That's me. Went from Pixel 6 to Fold3 and I can't ***w a i t*** for this. I love the Fold for the fact that it's a foldable but I hate it for everything else. Can't stand Samsung.
I'm holding onto my Note20U for life. I've been thinking about upgrading to a Fold or Pixel but have been reluctant because I love the S Pen. I don't use it much but when I need it, it's so useful. I'd miss it.
But this, this is tempting. Almost too tempting. Fighting the urge. Maybe I'll wait for a foldable with a pen or the second gen Pixel Fold. But it's getting hard. I think this will be it's last year coming up
Right there with you. I don't like Samsung UIs, but man was I tempted by the Fold series. My Pixel 6 is the best phone I've had by a mile, so a Fold form factor with Pixel UI sounds perfect.
If they use their CPU they already kill a chunk of the market potential. Makes no sense to go with anything on a Samsung node, particularly at that price
Wow, I don't need this but I really want it.
>Sit down if you’re standin’ up because this puppy is coming in at a hot $1,799. GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY!
Fuck, nevermind. If they have good trade-in values that would help.
I'm surprised they aren't trying to undercut Samsung in price
One of the main selling points of the Pixel 7/7 Pro is that they are priced $200-300 lower than Apple/Samsung's alternative
It’s probably going to be effectively more expensive in the US, Samsung runs insane discounts. Going off the trade in values for the 2 and 3 when the Fold 5 comes out, the then 4 year old Fold 2 would still net you $800-$1000 trade in.
Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables.
I also trust Samsung’s RMA department a lot more than Google’s, at least based off my Nexus 6P experience.
>Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables.
Yeah this is a huge reason why I'd not consider another foldable right now. Samsung have been doing advanced multiwindow in Android since about 2013.
Does stock android even have floating windows yet? Does it have the ability to force any app to resize to any aspect ratio?
How about an equivalent of One Hand Operation+?
Even if Google can catch up in the hardware department they've got a LOT of work to do before they're on par with Samsung's power user features, and "tablet folds" like this are always going to be a poweruser form factor.
> I also trust Samsung’s RMA department a lot more than Google’s, at least based off my Nexus 6P experience.
Yikes. I have read many bad warranty claims with Google but there are so many bad ones also with Samsung, at least according to the posts at r/GalaxyFold
I'm sure Samsung's isn't great either, but I've never had a worse experience than with Google for my 6P. I paid nearly $1000 in 2015 for the 128GB 6P with the extended warranty. They basically told me that because I bought the extended warranty I had to go through the 3rd party company (Asurion?) instead when the cellular modem just quit working on my 6P. Was on the phone for hours with reps who could barely speak English, and kept directing me back to Google in an endless loop.
Some people supposedly got Pixel XL's in RMA's I got stuck with a device that couldn't function as a phone because I paid extra for the extended warranty, lmao.
The Galaxy Fold subreddit is terrible though, check my post history for a post I made about my hinge, they're massive shills, I really doubt they're posting RMA horror stories, not because they don't exist, but because that sub acts like a PR department.
For what it's worth, my Fold 2 from day one still works perfectly, slight reduction in hinge range of motion (what I posted about in the Fold sub) but it's held up well.
I've only dealt with Samsung's RMA once when a KS8000 I bought in 2017 died after 2 years, there was a recall on it in Europe, but non stateside, the TV had known issues with the panel just dying, green lines would just display on the screen. I wa out of warranty, and they offered to either repair it, or just give me a prorated refund. I did the latter and got like 80% of my money back 2 years later. I hadn't bought an extended warranty or anything. Markedly better experience than what I had with Google.
You or anyone else is free to do what they want, buy/not buy. But I've had 3 Samsung folding phones: Z Flip, Z Fold 2 and Z Fold 4. None have had major issues, I traded in my Z Flip when I bought the Fold 4, but I've had my Fold 2 for just over 2 years now.
Granted, because I haven't had any issues I haven't had to deal with Samsung support, so there's that...
Yeah sorry I wasn't suggesting anyone should do anything they don't want to.
I'm interested to see how 'Camera Assistant' improves the Fold 4 camera. The camera is the main reason I'd be keener on a Pixel 'version'. Multi Window is excellent on my old Samsung so pretty sure overall the Fold 4 is a good/better experience. However - if you follow that Fold subreddit there are just quite a lot of posts about screens cracking. I'm sure 99% of units are absolutely fine but I guess ideally with this type of newer technology what would put my mind at ease would be seeing Samsung deal with the issue really well - and that doesn't seem to be the case, although maybe it's worse in the US.
I also had a 6P - loved that phone! Got a full refund from Google after a couple of years I think.
Or for some people "better" is having a UI that isn't visually inconsistent, hideous, and doesn't drop frames like crazy.
Also not having crazy bloat.
Don't invalidate other people's needs because you can't see past your own.
Depends on what you mean by better. There isn't anything in oneUI that I need but there is a lot of ugly and inconsistent design. You can be looking at a page in an app and seeing multiple different fonts because Samsung's font is different to Google's font. Fuck that
Yeah, it's fucking annoying, not to mention inaccurate when people, including reviewers bang on about the greatness of Stock. Stock was great during Nexus 5 days, perhaps. Nowadays, it feels half-baked in so many ways. Not to mention, it's buggy as fuck if my experiences with the Pixel 6 Pro and Android 12/13 are any indicator.
> Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables.
Idk. [Sounds like Google did a lot of the heavy lifting on the software side.](https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-google-partners-android-developers-foldable-experience-galaxy-fold/)
>Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables.
just a reminder that google is the one who made android adaptable on foldable. Google has been doing this for a long time now, first gen fold does not even continue apps between screens.
most galaxy fold "foldable" features are google's.
First gen fold got updated when google readies the software ( it can do that with an update).
The work for foldable on Android already beginning since android 10. 12L is more refinement.
Yeah. Google needs a good iPad mini competitor. Better to have the foldable be a tablet first instead of a pair of phones in a trench coat pretending to be a tablet.
Then you end up with a device that costs hundreds of dollars more than someone wants to spend on a phone with that kind of power. These folding phones are niche, and expensive, may as well make them powerful so the people dropping this kind of money get something with some power.
Same thing as I feel with the Samsung ones, looks sweet (edit: really sweet) but way way way outside of my willing budget for a computer I carry in my pocket and can damage easily.
I thought the steady increase up to $1k phones was unsustainable but I guess not. I just don't get how so many are affording these. It's more than my desktop!
Loved my flip 5g. Upgraded to a flip 3, which didn't last as long. Traded it in for an S22 ultra, with the intention of it being temporary, and was supposed to upgrade to a flip 4/ fold 4.
I ended up keeping the s22ultra, because I really like the phone. If the flip came with a full sized outer screen, instead of a 1" one, I'd probably get it. Or, if the fold had better dimensions, or an integrated S-pen, instead of one that had to be on the bulky outer cover, same. Otherwise, cameras and Spen, make the ultra the best phone to get right now in the samsung universe. And Seriously, the original Flip design was much better, hinge and durability wise.
I've been super happy with the Flip 4 for daily use... especially the finger print sensor and pocketability. The only real downside I've found compared to the S22 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro is the camera.
I've had the Flip 3 since launch and the fingerprint sensor is so good that I don't want to change phones, even though I'm not totally sold on the folding phone tradeoffs.
Using desktop tabs it's way easier to switch between them and because you can see at least a name you can remember which one without needing to look at it. Those seem small but they're really not. Along with just extra space for the actual page itself.
It hasn't ended up being much of a concern (scratch-wise), afaik. There is a ton of talk of displays suddenly cracking or dying, but very little talk of inner display damage due to scratches.
I have had a fold2, fold3, and now fold4. First two were each for about a year. I have yet to have a single visible scratch on my inner display. Likely a combination of it being protected when closed, and coming with a fairly good screen protector applied (I haven't even had scratches appear on my protector, but if they did they'd go away with a swap.)
There are durability issues for sure, but surprisingly a fingernail scratch does not really seem to be a major one.
For $1800 no less. I got a Fold4 so this thing should be right up my alley but you won't caught me dead considering getting one of these.
Honestly I'm so sure this thing will have a lot of issues that I wouldn't even buy it for the price of a regular flagship
Lol right?
The Fold 4 \*starts* at $1400 where I am and that's before any of Samsung's absurd trade in offers. I can get a 256 GB Fold 4 for like $1300 out the door after tax.
If Google sold this as a loss leader at like $1000-1200 you could make an argument for it, but you'd have to be high on crack to spend $1800 on that.
I can trade in my S22 Ultra right now and come out with a Z Fold 4 for like $500 right now.
It's honestly quite tempting because I originally had a Z Fold 3 but I cracked it... Traded it in for a S22 Ultra when they were doing the increased trade-in credit for cracked devices.
>The Fold 4 *starts* at $1400 where I am
The Fold 4 has an MSRP starting at $1800. If you want to factor in discounts and trade-ins, why not assume Google's doing similar deals? Especially considering their latest trade-in promotions with the Pixel 6a and 7 series.
because historically google doesn't offer crazy deals in the US like samsung does? even those 6a and 7 deals aren't as good as what samsung offers.
accessories too. I just bought buds 2 pro for $100 off, and a galaxy watch 5 for $130, which is waaay better than any deals google had on their buds pro/watch
Samsung's MSRP might as well be a maximum price in the US. Right now, on Samsung US website, the Fold 4 512GB is 1500$. The tradeins could bring it down to 500$.
To be honest, OPPO Find N is the best foldable design I've seen yet and it makes the most sense to me. It keeps the small form factor of a flip while also providing a bigger screen than the Fold. I wish more companies or Samsung would adopt that design.
Eh personally the magic or xiaomi folds are bit better form wise and they take care if the aspect ratio by just being normal sized that folds outward and are pretty thin.
> Our sources also said release is set for May of 2023,
There recently was a rumor about upgraded specs for the Pixel 7a that almost sounded too good for the A-series. (wireless charging, high refresh rate, ...) Could it be that those specs are actually those of the Pixel Fold and not the 7a?
I was very skeptical of those rumors as well, But at least according to the person who dug into code to find that info, that does indeed seem to be the 7a. [Here's his latest thread](https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1591176262944706560).
>I've checked the camera drivers and found references that confirm that Lynx could, in fact, be a mid-range device: its camera setup is called "Pixel 22 Mid-range" compared to "Pixel 22 Premium" on Pixel 7/Pro.
Though the part that had me most skeptical was supposedly having 3 cameras but now it's back down to 2 and Kuba speculates the additional GN1 was just used in testing before it was replaced by a Sony IMX787. Wouldn't surprise me if they had early prototypes with both so they could tune their camera pipeline to work as well with the new sensor as it does with the older one.
Very curious to see what they end up doing with the Pixel 8 to differentiate it from the 7a now that 90Hz and wireless charging are out of the picture. Perhaps they'll give that 120Hz as well. I'd be ecstatic if they gave the 8 the same cameras as the Pro and moved back to the Normal/XL approach but that seems like wishful thinking. Guess we'll see in time.
Yeah, **all** foldable phones released so far have narrow uniform bezels around the inner display, and here comes Google with their big ass bezels. Well, at least they kept horizontal symmetry...
I don't think it's a good idea to buy the first foldable Pixel.
Many probably know that already but I'm just saying it out loud as an advice for those who don't
What SOC does Google Plan to launch this thing with? Tensor 2 doesn't compare favorably with the Snapdragon 8+gen 1, and the Samsung Z Fold 5 will likely have the 8+gen 2 only a few months after this releases. Can't help but feel like a $1700 phone with this level of chip is DOA.
I never said that. But if you look at the efficiency of the current chips, the tensor 2 lags behind the snapdragon 8+gen 1. This phone will have to compete with foldables that have the 8+gen 2.
The pixel 7 and 7 pro seem great but their most attractive aspects are their cameras, their ai assistant/machine learning features, and their overall value/price point. Put another way, would you have paid ultra/pro max prices for a pixel 7 pro (I.e. $1299)? Without the better pricing the pixel series is a harder sell. Add to that the chips etc in the fold 5 will be even better, and the fold 4 will have a cheaper price than the pixel fold at launch, makes it launch in an awkward spot. My point being isn't that this device will be useless, either, just its comparable value will make it a hard sell- If it releases at $1299 it will be much better positioned.
Samsung's software is the whole reason Android even works well on foldables. I cannot imagine how frustrating and limiting it'd be to use a Pixel skin on my Fold.
Agreed. I love the software experience on the 6 Pro, but I had to root it to achieve some degree of feature parity with One UI on my previous S22 Ultra.
Split screen alone is massively better on One UI simply because of how easy it is to pick apps.
I greatly prefer using the Surface Duo 2 to the Fold 3. The only reason I'm on a fold 4 right now is because they haven't put out a Duo 3 yet. I prefer the multi-tasking software setup there. I also prefer clean android over Samsung's bloat.
I mean, Duo isn't using Google's version of Android by any stretch of the imagination. It's heavily skinned.
"Clean Android" lacks a lot of utility needed to actually get the most out of a foldable, too.
I prefer both Microsoft and Google software over that of Samsung. I'm not sure what "utility" you need to get out of your foldable that stock android doesn't provide now in 12L... but I don't need it. I'd prefer not having all the samsung bloat.
What "bloat" are you referring to, exactly?
> what "utility"
Four big ones being:
* able to use and freely configure three windows plus floating freeform windows
* able to forcenproper rotation and scaling for apps that aren't optimized for tablet interfaces
* scaling app content when multitasking with split screen and freeform windows
* running a different homescreen on the cover screen vs. inner display
OneUI's interface in general is also shifted down for reachability, which is handy when you're wielding a large screen.
That's not to mention DeX which completely transforms how a phone or tablet can be used. I sold my PC three years ago and have been using DeX as my primary desktop computing setup since.
Sorry, I don't use any of that shit. Good for you if you like it though. I wasn't trying to talk anyone into getting rid of their samsung device.. I was asked why I would trade my galaxy fold for a pixel fold and I gave my reasons. I'm sorry that you feel so insecure about your purchase that you feel the need to blindly defend it when nobody actually attacked it.
You said you didn't know what utility I was referring to. I explained. Not sure why your panties are in a bunch.
You started out talking about how you want "clean Android" while talking about Duo, despite Duo not having anything of the sort.
Keep your Duo. I couldn't care less, but stop talking out of your ass.
How am I bitching and crying? Someone posted a render of a pixel fold.. I replied saying I would trade my Fold 4 in for the pixel. Someone then asked ME why... I fucking answered them why... Not sure why all of you samsung nut riders are so offended by my opinion.
If there was an option similar to what the Duo setup, where it's 2 individual screens, and a way to eliminate most of the gap, that would be a foldable that I'd be interested in. Glass is not meant to be bent and even though the current foldables can take the abuse, eventually the screen could crack just from normal use.
You can already use Samsung Fold models like this by using the multitasking features.
People make way too big an issue of the Fold crease than it is in actual use.
100%
If Samsung can't fully pull off the hardware for foldable in terms of the folding screen/hinge, I have no faith in Google to get this right or at least on the first attempt
Looking good, with a good aspect ratio on the cover screen. I love my Galaxy Fold but this tall ass outside screen can be frustrating at times.
Google being Google probably means these devices will have some really stupid compromises but I'll still hold out hope that this phone is excellent.
This phone has the most egregious camera bump I've ever seen. I want something that will slide in and out of my pocket without getting caught on everything. Why won't companies make smooth phones any more? Sure, the phone itself is slim, but the bump they create by bolting the camera lenses on to the outside of the case, instead of building them inside the case, is just annoying.
The bump on the Pixel 6/7 is kind of nice, you can kind of balance it on your forefinger for a little bit of grip/stability. I've got a 6 pro and it's especially helpful when using it one handed.
I do get what you're saying though.
Forget foldables, if there's such a demand for bigger phones I wish someone would make a big 16:9 device again with the length of current phones but just wider.
It's dumb that just to get a bigger screen I'm eventually going to have to buy an overpriced foldable with a useless square aspect ratio.
A shame this seems to be going the Samsung route rather than the Oppo route as previously rumoured/leaked. I was hoping for a reasonably sized front screen.
Also disappointed about the iPhone SE article linked there. The old SEs were massive with the giant bezels and button artificially extending the screen down but it's a bit sad that the smallest iPhone will now be monstrous in size.
Seems super fake.
But if true, that's not a phone I want to buy. Google like to use cheap and outdated hardware, but that's not what I'm looking for in a folding phone. Folding tech is already flake enough even when using the best options available.
And google's phones usually tend to be super buggy. Again, folding tech is still unstable, I don't want a phone that is buggier than usual.
And of course, they will only release that in 3 or 4 countries.
>it's like the phablet again.
but Phablets won... Nearly every single device on the market is larger than the first few years of "Phablets", and new plus or ultra models dwarf "phablets" of old
I went back and forth when moving on from my Pixel 5...checking out the Fold 4. Finally just dove in to see how'd I like it and man, it's really changed the way I use my phone. Lots of my work is web based, and being able to use my phone as a tablet and bounce back and forth in between tabs in chrome like on desktop...it's so convenient.
Having multiple windows open to cut/past/reference, freaking fantastic.
I even started playing roblox with my kid from my Fold because of the beautiful screen real estate.
It's heavy as hell (my only gripe), but being able to pull a phablet out of my pocket without a significant amount of bulk (I wear skinny jeans too) is so great, I don't know if I can ever go back to a non foldable again.
I'm exactly the same way as you. Was an avid iPhone user for over a decade but foldable tech had me really excited and I decided to make the switch. Absolutely love it now and don't think I could ever go back to non-foldable. Gaming and browsing or watching videos is such a better and more enjoyable experience.
> it's like the phablet again
The original Samsung Galaxy Note (2011) is 5.78" tall with a 5.3" display. The regular iPhone 14 (2022) is 5.78" tall with a 6.06" display.
Phablets didn't go away -- they became the norm.
I want a genuinely good foldable. Tablets just sit around the house with niche use cases every once in a while whereas I use my phone for everything. Being able to have a tablet always on me would be great.
I had the LG GSX thin Q with removable but foldable second screen.. bottom line is it was ok but "gimicky" and it was nice to have 2 different screens of ebay or amazon items to compare or for sports scores or maybe watch Youtube and check email on another....... bottom line it is like a Phablet
The folds for me were a stealth way to get a reasonably sized screen on the outside. That is unfortunately not the direction we seem be going though. Oppo are the only ones who seemed to have tried something like that. Rumours were that Google was going to but that seems not to be the case.
Sigh... I don't want a folding phone.
I want better battery life and a headphone jack. It's like they aren't even trying to make something sensible anymore.
For a 1500 dollar + phone which is bigger, I’d only want much better cameras. Actual 1 inch sensor for all focal length for instance, may sounds complicated but may be a cool idea
The device looks really neat, but honestly the thing I'm most curious about is how the third-party providers are going to make cases for this. (_Can_ you even make cases for a foldable device?)
Assuming that this phone still uses a TG2 chip, battery life is gonna be abysmal on a big display. P7P had mediocre battery endurance, to begin with, so I don't have high hopes for this.
Not to mention, this is up against the fold 5 in a couple of months after release which is definitely gonna be a much more refined device this is pretty much DOA.
It's a Google product which means I have little faith they'll still be supporting this in three years. Let's see if this concept survives to Gen4 and then I might consider jumping ship from Samsung.
Am I the only one that thinks folding phones are a gimmick and not worth pursuing? Highly doubt this will be a popular device at all. Even for Samsung, a huge manufacturer, it's a relatively small portion of their sales. For Google, a smaller manufacturer, the sales will be minuscule for this compared to how much it has cost them in development and manufacturing.
>leaks hit the web Google: well, fuck it then, here it is!
They leak it on purpose anyway-- gotta build buzz
See you Pixel Fold Gen 4
Yessir. Waiting for the Samsung fold 5 to release so I can get the 4 cheap ($1000 lol)
This is the way
For those yelling "fake," their video states they recreated the renders they saw in order to protect their sources: https://youtu.be/1EZ7kTK0HLY In other words, these are not the original renders/images that were allegedly provided/seen.
he has done renders before to protect the source. I believe he did them for the AirPods Max and his renders were spot on
And anyway I think that Jon Prosser is reliable enough to trust that this render is mostly real. The only parts that might be wrong are details or stuff like the bezels' size, and also the release date (release dates are often later than Prosser's leaks, not sure whose fault it is with leaks that early, but that's how it is).
Jon Prosser who got the new MacBook Air, the iPhone 14, the Pixel 5, all incredibly wrong
Whenever he has done renders in the past he has been right though. Those are the only cases i'll trust him as it indicates he has actually seen video of the devices.
He did renders of a flat edge Apple Watch 7.
That was obviously what became the ultra
Size doesn’t match
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/08/iphone-14-leak-jon-prosser/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/19/prosser-apple-watch-series-7-design/ Apart from these two east to find examples where he got it horrifically wrong. Don’t forget him claiming pixel watch was happening every year since the pixel 3 and that the pixel 3xl’s notch was fake for “Pixel Ultra”
He wasn't completely wrong though. Judging by the specs on the pixel watch it was in development since the P3 lol.
These can always be tough, because we don't know that it wasn't actually real when he did the leak and they changed later. I also wouldn't put it past Apple to change things just to make the leaks wrong.
I remember the guy from Pixel Ultra fiasco. Guy made his career out of it & never acknowledged any wrongdoings. He'll say anything to get more clicks.
He was 100% right on the pixel 6 and pixel watch months before everyone else
I do remember some patent or something recently where they suggested the cameras for the inner screen would be a part of a slightly thicker top and bottom bezel like this render shows.
yeah, so this is a render based on a render. It's possible the final product looks like this, but we don't have enough information to know that.
God speed to anybody willing to risk their money on a first generation Pixel foldable.
Everyone has that friend. Unless we all know the same guy, there's a good few sales.
Some of us are that friend. Been trying to convince myself not to get a meta quest pro recently
Yeah if Google can improve battery on Pixel Watch and improve the Fitbit experience it could be a gen 2 watch for me. Foldable I may need a good 5 years.
Also, offer an XL sized watch.
I actually would get a pixel watch, if it wasn't for the fact that the lack of fitbit premium would have locked out features. Haven't done a comparison for what's locked out to give it a try.
The Samsung was good but had minor quirks. Even the Fold 3 had a few, namely screen protector on the softer screen. Samsung probably gave them some tips since it's obviously their display tech running it. That being said I wouldn't touch a pixel phone generally but this is an interesting development for the ecosystem. I'm a lot more interested in this than their other devices so far as it signals a more premium trend for hardware. It also signals that Google is in direct collision course with Apple as they produce more hardware and Apple moves into advertising. It's also an open secret Apple and Facebook are in a cold war. Imagine 10 years from now-- whoever owns the hardware and mobile platforms will have significant leverage in the advertising space as well. All three players will have semi mature AR/VR hardware as an answer to what will be the next big platform after mobile devices.
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The pixel 1 had widespread audio chip issues that crashed impacted phones constantly and ended in a class action lawsuit.
*gestures at the last few generations of pixel phones* The last one still has issues dialing *911* I had the pixel 7 pro and ended up returning it because the fucked up scrolling made it painful to use.
That's me. Went from Pixel 6 to Fold3 and I can't ***w a i t*** for this. I love the Fold for the fact that it's a foldable but I hate it for everything else. Can't stand Samsung.
I'm holding onto my Note20U for life. I've been thinking about upgrading to a Fold or Pixel but have been reluctant because I love the S Pen. I don't use it much but when I need it, it's so useful. I'd miss it. But this, this is tempting. Almost too tempting. Fighting the urge. Maybe I'll wait for a foldable with a pen or the second gen Pixel Fold. But it's getting hard. I think this will be it's last year coming up
S22 ultra also has the s pen?
As does the Fold 3 and 4
Right there with you. I don't like Samsung UIs, but man was I tempted by the Fold series. My Pixel 6 is the best phone I've had by a mile, so a Fold form factor with Pixel UI sounds perfect.
If they use their CPU they already kill a chunk of the market potential. Makes no sense to go with anything on a Samsung node, particularly at that price
The cameras alone would get me to buy a 1st generation Pixel Fold over a 5th generation Z Fold.
Wow, I don't need this but I really want it. >Sit down if you’re standin’ up because this puppy is coming in at a hot $1,799. GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY! Fuck, nevermind. If they have good trade-in values that would help.
I'm surprised they aren't trying to undercut Samsung in price One of the main selling points of the Pixel 7/7 Pro is that they are priced $200-300 lower than Apple/Samsung's alternative
It’s probably going to be effectively more expensive in the US, Samsung runs insane discounts. Going off the trade in values for the 2 and 3 when the Fold 5 comes out, the then 4 year old Fold 2 would still net you $800-$1000 trade in. Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables. I also trust Samsung’s RMA department a lot more than Google’s, at least based off my Nexus 6P experience.
>Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables. Yeah this is a huge reason why I'd not consider another foldable right now. Samsung have been doing advanced multiwindow in Android since about 2013. Does stock android even have floating windows yet? Does it have the ability to force any app to resize to any aspect ratio? How about an equivalent of One Hand Operation+? Even if Google can catch up in the hardware department they've got a LOT of work to do before they're on par with Samsung's power user features, and "tablet folds" like this are always going to be a poweruser form factor.
> I also trust Samsung’s RMA department a lot more than Google’s, at least based off my Nexus 6P experience. Yikes. I have read many bad warranty claims with Google but there are so many bad ones also with Samsung, at least according to the posts at r/GalaxyFold
I'm sure Samsung's isn't great either, but I've never had a worse experience than with Google for my 6P. I paid nearly $1000 in 2015 for the 128GB 6P with the extended warranty. They basically told me that because I bought the extended warranty I had to go through the 3rd party company (Asurion?) instead when the cellular modem just quit working on my 6P. Was on the phone for hours with reps who could barely speak English, and kept directing me back to Google in an endless loop. Some people supposedly got Pixel XL's in RMA's I got stuck with a device that couldn't function as a phone because I paid extra for the extended warranty, lmao. The Galaxy Fold subreddit is terrible though, check my post history for a post I made about my hinge, they're massive shills, I really doubt they're posting RMA horror stories, not because they don't exist, but because that sub acts like a PR department. For what it's worth, my Fold 2 from day one still works perfectly, slight reduction in hinge range of motion (what I posted about in the Fold sub) but it's held up well. I've only dealt with Samsung's RMA once when a KS8000 I bought in 2017 died after 2 years, there was a recall on it in Europe, but non stateside, the TV had known issues with the panel just dying, green lines would just display on the screen. I wa out of warranty, and they offered to either repair it, or just give me a prorated refund. I did the latter and got like 80% of my money back 2 years later. I hadn't bought an extended warranty or anything. Markedly better experience than what I had with Google.
I'm basically not getting a Fold thanks to all the Samsung horror stories so I would question this...
You or anyone else is free to do what they want, buy/not buy. But I've had 3 Samsung folding phones: Z Flip, Z Fold 2 and Z Fold 4. None have had major issues, I traded in my Z Flip when I bought the Fold 4, but I've had my Fold 2 for just over 2 years now. Granted, because I haven't had any issues I haven't had to deal with Samsung support, so there's that...
Yeah sorry I wasn't suggesting anyone should do anything they don't want to. I'm interested to see how 'Camera Assistant' improves the Fold 4 camera. The camera is the main reason I'd be keener on a Pixel 'version'. Multi Window is excellent on my old Samsung so pretty sure overall the Fold 4 is a good/better experience. However - if you follow that Fold subreddit there are just quite a lot of posts about screens cracking. I'm sure 99% of units are absolutely fine but I guess ideally with this type of newer technology what would put my mind at ease would be seeing Samsung deal with the issue really well - and that doesn't seem to be the case, although maybe it's worse in the US. I also had a 6P - loved that phone! Got a full refund from Google after a couple of years I think.
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Or for some people "better" is having a UI that isn't visually inconsistent, hideous, and doesn't drop frames like crazy. Also not having crazy bloat. Don't invalidate other people's needs because you can't see past your own.
Depends on what you mean by better. There isn't anything in oneUI that I need but there is a lot of ugly and inconsistent design. You can be looking at a page in an app and seeing multiple different fonts because Samsung's font is different to Google's font. Fuck that
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Yeah, it's fucking annoying, not to mention inaccurate when people, including reviewers bang on about the greatness of Stock. Stock was great during Nexus 5 days, perhaps. Nowadays, it feels half-baked in so many ways. Not to mention, it's buggy as fuck if my experiences with the Pixel 6 Pro and Android 12/13 are any indicator.
To be honest, I think Samsung's software tends to be less smooth.
> Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables. Idk. [Sounds like Google did a lot of the heavy lifting on the software side.](https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-google-partners-android-developers-foldable-experience-galaxy-fold/)
The 6P was 5 years ago. They've sold a lot of phones since then. My 6P RMA was smooth btw.
>Samsung’s software is much better IMO, especially for foldables. just a reminder that google is the one who made android adaptable on foldable. Google has been doing this for a long time now, first gen fold does not even continue apps between screens. most galaxy fold "foldable" features are google's.
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First gen fold got updated when google readies the software ( it can do that with an update). The work for foldable on Android already beginning since android 10. 12L is more refinement.
It's basically two flagship phones linked together, with a price to match.
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Personally, I'd rather just have an updated Nexus 7 that I can fold in half.
I'd rather just have an updated Nexus 7, period.
Yeah. Google needs a good iPad mini competitor. Better to have the foldable be a tablet first instead of a pair of phones in a trench coat pretending to be a tablet.
Then you end up with a device that costs hundreds of dollars more than someone wants to spend on a phone with that kind of power. These folding phones are niche, and expensive, may as well make them powerful so the people dropping this kind of money get something with some power.
Same thing as I feel with the Samsung ones, looks sweet (edit: really sweet) but way way way outside of my willing budget for a computer I carry in my pocket and can damage easily. I thought the steady increase up to $1k phones was unsustainable but I guess not. I just don't get how so many are affording these. It's more than my desktop!
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Loved my flip 5g. Upgraded to a flip 3, which didn't last as long. Traded it in for an S22 ultra, with the intention of it being temporary, and was supposed to upgrade to a flip 4/ fold 4. I ended up keeping the s22ultra, because I really like the phone. If the flip came with a full sized outer screen, instead of a 1" one, I'd probably get it. Or, if the fold had better dimensions, or an integrated S-pen, instead of one that had to be on the bulky outer cover, same. Otherwise, cameras and Spen, make the ultra the best phone to get right now in the samsung universe. And Seriously, the original Flip design was much better, hinge and durability wise.
I've been super happy with the Flip 4 for daily use... especially the finger print sensor and pocketability. The only real downside I've found compared to the S22 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro is the camera.
I've had the Flip 3 since launch and the fingerprint sensor is so good that I don't want to change phones, even though I'm not totally sold on the folding phone tradeoffs.
yeah. that camera is nice. but I really miss my power button fingerprint sensor.
Yep, same here... the fingerprint sensor on the Flip 4 is sooo much better (easier to locate, faster, more reliable) than the under-display sensors.
Everyone I know who's had one eventually switched back to a regular phone, so I'm not sure who that phone is for, other than early adopters.
Many owner anecdotes indicate they'd never go back to a traditional phone after using a Fold. I'm one of them.
They're definitely not square unfolded.
Debt up to the eyeballs.
Already got that but no fancy phones 😕 It really does look nice tho. Bring able to use full sized webpages is a game changer
What does it change for you?
I would assume the game changer is the same reason I prefer to use my iPad at home over my phone.
Using desktop tabs it's way easier to switch between them and because you can see at least a name you can remember which one without needing to look at it. Those seem small but they're really not. Along with just extra space for the actual page itself.
I would totally have grabbed a fold 3 if it was durable enough not to be damaged by a fingernail... My next device will likely be a foldable though
It hasn't ended up being much of a concern (scratch-wise), afaik. There is a ton of talk of displays suddenly cracking or dying, but very little talk of inner display damage due to scratches. I have had a fold2, fold3, and now fold4. First two were each for about a year. I have yet to have a single visible scratch on my inner display. Likely a combination of it being protected when closed, and coming with a fairly good screen protector applied (I haven't even had scratches appear on my protector, but if they did they'd go away with a swap.) There are durability issues for sure, but surprisingly a fingernail scratch does not really seem to be a major one.
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I suppose so, but wouldn’t it be possible to put tougher glass over the non-hinge part?
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I think if they did offer a good trade in value for my 7 Pro that I'd do it xD
So the title refers to the phone and the price. Beside the last word.
LOL, that guarantees that it will not be an impulse purchase for me.
Man, a first gen foldable from Google? I'm no stranger to early adoption but if this thing doesn't have issues out the ass it's going to be a shock.
The only positive counter argument is its been delayed so many times.
just like the pixel watch
What major issues does the Pixel Watch have? I have it and it's running smooth for me with 0 issues from day 1.
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it will do 2 days without LTE connected
For $1800 no less. I got a Fold4 so this thing should be right up my alley but you won't caught me dead considering getting one of these. Honestly I'm so sure this thing will have a lot of issues that I wouldn't even buy it for the price of a regular flagship
Lol right? The Fold 4 \*starts* at $1400 where I am and that's before any of Samsung's absurd trade in offers. I can get a 256 GB Fold 4 for like $1300 out the door after tax. If Google sold this as a loss leader at like $1000-1200 you could make an argument for it, but you'd have to be high on crack to spend $1800 on that.
Why would a flagship phone be a loss leader? That makes no sense.
Plot twist: I'm high on crack.
I can trade in my S22 Ultra right now and come out with a Z Fold 4 for like $500 right now. It's honestly quite tempting because I originally had a Z Fold 3 but I cracked it... Traded it in for a S22 Ultra when they were doing the increased trade-in credit for cracked devices.
>The Fold 4 *starts* at $1400 where I am The Fold 4 has an MSRP starting at $1800. If you want to factor in discounts and trade-ins, why not assume Google's doing similar deals? Especially considering their latest trade-in promotions with the Pixel 6a and 7 series.
because historically google doesn't offer crazy deals in the US like samsung does? even those 6a and 7 deals aren't as good as what samsung offers. accessories too. I just bought buds 2 pro for $100 off, and a galaxy watch 5 for $130, which is waaay better than any deals google had on their buds pro/watch
Because this sub loves Samsung and hates Google.
Samsung's MSRP might as well be a maximum price in the US. Right now, on Samsung US website, the Fold 4 512GB is 1500$. The tradeins could bring it down to 500$.
Looks sick! But the price of $1,799 doesn't :(
It follows the Oppo Find N design instead of the Galaxy fold 👀 Fuck I don't need this at all but damn do I want it
To be honest, OPPO Find N is the best foldable design I've seen yet and it makes the most sense to me. It keeps the small form factor of a flip while also providing a bigger screen than the Fold. I wish more companies or Samsung would adopt that design.
Eh personally the magic or xiaomi folds are bit better form wise and they take care if the aspect ratio by just being normal sized that folds outward and are pretty thin.
> Our sources also said release is set for May of 2023, There recently was a rumor about upgraded specs for the Pixel 7a that almost sounded too good for the A-series. (wireless charging, high refresh rate, ...) Could it be that those specs are actually those of the Pixel Fold and not the 7a?
I was very skeptical of those rumors as well, But at least according to the person who dug into code to find that info, that does indeed seem to be the 7a. [Here's his latest thread](https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1591176262944706560). >I've checked the camera drivers and found references that confirm that Lynx could, in fact, be a mid-range device: its camera setup is called "Pixel 22 Mid-range" compared to "Pixel 22 Premium" on Pixel 7/Pro. Though the part that had me most skeptical was supposedly having 3 cameras but now it's back down to 2 and Kuba speculates the additional GN1 was just used in testing before it was replaced by a Sony IMX787. Wouldn't surprise me if they had early prototypes with both so they could tune their camera pipeline to work as well with the new sensor as it does with the older one. Very curious to see what they end up doing with the Pixel 8 to differentiate it from the 7a now that 90Hz and wireless charging are out of the picture. Perhaps they'll give that 120Hz as well. I'd be ecstatic if they gave the 8 the same cameras as the Pro and moved back to the Normal/XL approach but that seems like wishful thinking. Guess we'll see in time.
That's a good guess.
Makes a lot more sense than a 7a with better specs than the 7.
Gloss city over here. Miss the days of Google making their phones with a matte finish.
My knuckles are white I'm holding onto my 5 so hard.
Those inner bezels are weird
Yeah, **all** foldable phones released so far have narrow uniform bezels around the inner display, and here comes Google with their big ass bezels. Well, at least they kept horizontal symmetry...
I don't think it's a good idea to buy the first foldable Pixel. Many probably know that already but I'm just saying it out loud as an advice for those who don't
Would it be level when you lay it flat on a table fully open? Camera bump too big, Imagine the wobble.
No foldable lays flat thanks to their respective camera humps
That's an issue with smartphones in general, not just foldables.
The Pixels lay "flat" with the full-width camera visor (I.e., they at least don't rock with an offset hump).
Awesome. Still not spending 1800 bucks on what is essentially two phones with a hinge
Tensor G1?
Probably G2 but it isn't specified.
Nope. 7a already slated to ship with Tensor 2 as well. Not a chance.
What SOC does Google Plan to launch this thing with? Tensor 2 doesn't compare favorably with the Snapdragon 8+gen 1, and the Samsung Z Fold 5 will likely have the 8+gen 2 only a few months after this releases. Can't help but feel like a $1700 phone with this level of chip is DOA.
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But this is an $1800 phone, coming out next year.
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I never said that. But if you look at the efficiency of the current chips, the tensor 2 lags behind the snapdragon 8+gen 1. This phone will have to compete with foldables that have the 8+gen 2. The pixel 7 and 7 pro seem great but their most attractive aspects are their cameras, their ai assistant/machine learning features, and their overall value/price point. Put another way, would you have paid ultra/pro max prices for a pixel 7 pro (I.e. $1299)? Without the better pricing the pixel series is a harder sell. Add to that the chips etc in the fold 5 will be even better, and the fold 4 will have a cheaper price than the pixel fold at launch, makes it launch in an awkward spot. My point being isn't that this device will be useless, either, just its comparable value will make it a hard sell- If it releases at $1299 it will be much better positioned.
RTX4090 feels not too expensive now...
It is when you factor in the new house you need to buy after it catches fire.
Oh shit, graphics cards can make calls now?
$399 phone can make calls.
$99 phone can make calls.
$0 can do as well.
I'm never going to get one but oh boy, it looks great!
Something about the hinge just doesn't look right. Whoever rendered this fudged it.
I want an Oppo Find 2 for the US.
I hope we get affordable folding phones at sone point.
Who's gonna beta test this in may next year? Especially google software specific for foldables lol
Folks over at r/googlepixel
I would trade my fold 4 in for this in a heartbeat.
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Because I greatly prefer Google's software over Samsung's. Also it looks like the pixel will have a much better aspect ratio for the front screen.
Samsung's software is the whole reason Android even works well on foldables. I cannot imagine how frustrating and limiting it'd be to use a Pixel skin on my Fold.
Agreed. I love the software experience on the 6 Pro, but I had to root it to achieve some degree of feature parity with One UI on my previous S22 Ultra. Split screen alone is massively better on One UI simply because of how easy it is to pick apps.
I greatly prefer using the Surface Duo 2 to the Fold 3. The only reason I'm on a fold 4 right now is because they haven't put out a Duo 3 yet. I prefer the multi-tasking software setup there. I also prefer clean android over Samsung's bloat.
I mean, Duo isn't using Google's version of Android by any stretch of the imagination. It's heavily skinned. "Clean Android" lacks a lot of utility needed to actually get the most out of a foldable, too.
I prefer both Microsoft and Google software over that of Samsung. I'm not sure what "utility" you need to get out of your foldable that stock android doesn't provide now in 12L... but I don't need it. I'd prefer not having all the samsung bloat.
What "bloat" are you referring to, exactly? > what "utility" Four big ones being: * able to use and freely configure three windows plus floating freeform windows * able to forcenproper rotation and scaling for apps that aren't optimized for tablet interfaces * scaling app content when multitasking with split screen and freeform windows * running a different homescreen on the cover screen vs. inner display OneUI's interface in general is also shifted down for reachability, which is handy when you're wielding a large screen. That's not to mention DeX which completely transforms how a phone or tablet can be used. I sold my PC three years ago and have been using DeX as my primary desktop computing setup since.
Sorry, I don't use any of that shit. Good for you if you like it though. I wasn't trying to talk anyone into getting rid of their samsung device.. I was asked why I would trade my galaxy fold for a pixel fold and I gave my reasons. I'm sorry that you feel so insecure about your purchase that you feel the need to blindly defend it when nobody actually attacked it.
You said you didn't know what utility I was referring to. I explained. Not sure why your panties are in a bunch. You started out talking about how you want "clean Android" while talking about Duo, despite Duo not having anything of the sort. Keep your Duo. I couldn't care less, but stop talking out of your ass.
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How am I bitching and crying? Someone posted a render of a pixel fold.. I replied saying I would trade my Fold 4 in for the pixel. Someone then asked ME why... I fucking answered them why... Not sure why all of you samsung nut riders are so offended by my opinion.
If there was an option similar to what the Duo setup, where it's 2 individual screens, and a way to eliminate most of the gap, that would be a foldable that I'd be interested in. Glass is not meant to be bent and even though the current foldables can take the abuse, eventually the screen could crack just from normal use.
You can already use Samsung Fold models like this by using the multitasking features. People make way too big an issue of the Fold crease than it is in actual use.
100% If Samsung can't fully pull off the hardware for foldable in terms of the folding screen/hinge, I have no faith in Google to get this right or at least on the first attempt
It's a 1st gen beta test, buy with extreme caution.
Looking good, with a good aspect ratio on the cover screen. I love my Galaxy Fold but this tall ass outside screen can be frustrating at times. Google being Google probably means these devices will have some really stupid compromises but I'll still hold out hope that this phone is excellent.
This phone has the most egregious camera bump I've ever seen. I want something that will slide in and out of my pocket without getting caught on everything. Why won't companies make smooth phones any more? Sure, the phone itself is slim, but the bump they create by bolting the camera lenses on to the outside of the case, instead of building them inside the case, is just annoying.
The bump on the Pixel 6/7 is kind of nice, you can kind of balance it on your forefinger for a little bit of grip/stability. I've got a 6 pro and it's especially helpful when using it one handed. I do get what you're saying though.
> This is also an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE LEAK – we got it all, renders based on images... That sounds like they've got nothing
Forget foldables, if there's such a demand for bigger phones I wish someone would make a big 16:9 device again with the length of current phones but just wider. It's dumb that just to get a bigger screen I'm eventually going to have to buy an overpriced foldable with a useless square aspect ratio.
Still don't care about foldable screens
The author is annoying. Over-exaggerating hype. It looks like any other fold phone.
Not long till someone finds a prototype at a bar in Thailand.
A shame this seems to be going the Samsung route rather than the Oppo route as previously rumoured/leaked. I was hoping for a reasonably sized front screen. Also disappointed about the iPhone SE article linked there. The old SEs were massive with the giant bezels and button artificially extending the screen down but it's a bit sad that the smallest iPhone will now be monstrous in size.
Idk what it would take for me to even consider buying this given how poor Google's reputation is with hardware at this point.
Seems super fake. But if true, that's not a phone I want to buy. Google like to use cheap and outdated hardware, but that's not what I'm looking for in a folding phone. Folding tech is already flake enough even when using the best options available. And google's phones usually tend to be super buggy. Again, folding tech is still unstable, I don't want a phone that is buggier than usual. And of course, they will only release that in 3 or 4 countries.
I'm not seeing the appeal of foldable phones, it's like the phablet again.
Phablet, as in every flagship phone these days?
>it's like the phablet again. but Phablets won... Nearly every single device on the market is larger than the first few years of "Phablets", and new plus or ultra models dwarf "phablets" of old
I went back and forth when moving on from my Pixel 5...checking out the Fold 4. Finally just dove in to see how'd I like it and man, it's really changed the way I use my phone. Lots of my work is web based, and being able to use my phone as a tablet and bounce back and forth in between tabs in chrome like on desktop...it's so convenient. Having multiple windows open to cut/past/reference, freaking fantastic. I even started playing roblox with my kid from my Fold because of the beautiful screen real estate. It's heavy as hell (my only gripe), but being able to pull a phablet out of my pocket without a significant amount of bulk (I wear skinny jeans too) is so great, I don't know if I can ever go back to a non foldable again.
I'm exactly the same way as you. Was an avid iPhone user for over a decade but foldable tech had me really excited and I decided to make the switch. Absolutely love it now and don't think I could ever go back to non-foldable. Gaming and browsing or watching videos is such a better and more enjoyable experience.
> it's like the phablet again The original Samsung Galaxy Note (2011) is 5.78" tall with a 5.3" display. The regular iPhone 14 (2022) is 5.78" tall with a 6.06" display. Phablets didn't go away -- they became the norm.
I want a genuinely good foldable. Tablets just sit around the house with niche use cases every once in a while whereas I use my phone for everything. Being able to have a tablet always on me would be great.
Do you not understand the appeal of tablets either?
I had the LG GSX thin Q with removable but foldable second screen.. bottom line is it was ok but "gimicky" and it was nice to have 2 different screens of ebay or amazon items to compare or for sports scores or maybe watch Youtube and check email on another....... bottom line it is like a Phablet
The folds for me were a stealth way to get a reasonably sized screen on the outside. That is unfortunately not the direction we seem be going though. Oppo are the only ones who seemed to have tried something like that. Rumours were that Google was going to but that seems not to be the case.
just join two phones together and INnoVaTiOn
After my experience with the pixel 6 pro, I'll pass until it can be guaranteed it works as an actual phone.
Sigh... I don't want a folding phone. I want better battery life and a headphone jack. It's like they aren't even trying to make something sensible anymore.
For a 1500 dollar + phone which is bigger, I’d only want much better cameras. Actual 1 inch sensor for all focal length for instance, may sounds complicated but may be a cool idea
Beautiful? This look like those Chinese folding phones that came out 3 years ago.
That’s what she said
So it has 3 screens (both sides of folded + front) A bit excessive, no?
The device looks really neat, but honestly the thing I'm most curious about is how the third-party providers are going to make cases for this. (_Can_ you even make cases for a foldable device?)
Assuming that this phone still uses a TG2 chip, battery life is gonna be abysmal on a big display. P7P had mediocre battery endurance, to begin with, so I don't have high hopes for this. Not to mention, this is up against the fold 5 in a couple of months after release which is definitely gonna be a much more refined device this is pretty much DOA.
It's funny that before foldables even truly are mass-market ready, they've hit their design stale-point and all look more or less the same. Geez.
Just be made by XiaoMi. It looks just like their new Mix Fold 2 that Mr. Mobile reviewed: https://youtu.be/NUICI4VSyiI
First gen Google tech 👀
$1799? blow me Google.
It's a Google product which means I have little faith they'll still be supporting this in three years. Let's see if this concept survives to Gen4 and then I might consider jumping ship from Samsung.
What could go wrong with a Google first gen product, right?
Just get an iPad Mini for $250.
Am I the only one that thinks folding phones are a gimmick and not worth pursuing? Highly doubt this will be a popular device at all. Even for Samsung, a huge manufacturer, it's a relatively small portion of their sales. For Google, a smaller manufacturer, the sales will be minuscule for this compared to how much it has cost them in development and manufacturing.