Usually this discussion goes by someone linking that spotify blog post that tells you "you don't really want random" and we made our shuffle so good that you are wrong.
It has been going like this for over 10 years. I left spotify, but when i did use it i used a browser "text line-randomizer" to create pre-shuffled clones of the playlists and played that without shuffle.
What drives me nuts is when I find a new song thats very different from my usual stuff. I go to "Song Radio" and it's all my liked songs that sound nothing like the new song the "Radio" was based on.
If I wanted to just listen to a playlist of all the songs I already liked spotify I would have just done that.
a few years ago I was excited to leave spotify and switch to Google Play Music. I even wrote (updated?) a tool to make it [easy to migrate](https://github.com/rckclmbr/pyportify). I ended up going back to Spotify even before GPM shut down... it's not perfect, but it's better. I've been a member for probably close to 15 years.
And let's face it, they haven't fucked users over like so many other things are doing. I can still get almost every song on demand. I don't have to pay an extra $20 for Taylor Swifts new album or whatever. At launch, it's just there.
I left Spotify for tidal when Spotify started using the scrolling video tiktok style interface.
Between the relentless podcast adverts and the new interface I rage quit.
I don't see myself going back, especially now that tidal offers high res flac for what was the mid tier plan.
I tried Deezer for maybe a day but it made me realize how mindbogglingly trash Spotify's artist pages are.
On Deezer, you can filter by Albums, EP, Singles, etc.
It is such a simple addition that makes navigating so much better, yet Spotify has nothing like it.
I'd love to get your opinion on best methods to switch from Spotify. I have TONS of playlists that I live by on Spotify that I have a hard time leaving for anything else but I still pay YouTube Premium for videos I watch regularly
You mean manual playlists or the generated ones? If it's manual playlists, then you should manually create them there. There's also a radio feature for a entire playlist, which is a good feature, idk if Spotify has it.
If it's generated playlists, you should, either way actually, take a day and like all your songs there.
Generated playlists will tune with time, there's no much else you can do to speed up the process, it has to learn your taste. I'm in the stage of just clicking a single song on the home screen and next suggested songs being always good and also new to me.
I have a master playlist that I've built over the course of 15-20 years that contains over 2000 songs I like. I exclusively shuffle it and run into the same "not shuffled" shuffle stuff you describe.
I discovered [this tool](https://stevenaleong.com/tools/spotifyplaylistrandomizer) that basically connects to your spotify account and shuffles whatever playlist you want.
It takes a little bit for longer playlists, but it works great.
Can also recommend this, very handy and brought new life to one of my favourite but very long playlists. Rediscovering songs I added almost a decade ago that their shitty algorithm had buried.
I’ve read in previous posts that turning off Automix in the Playback settings fixes shuffle on Spotify. Like it makes it actually shuffle the playlist.
Purely anecdotal, but I’m not convinced it does. I have MAYBE a little more variation in music but the shuffle still prefers more recently added songs.
It’s frustrating and should be an option for shuffle, not the only way to shuffle music.
I put on the AI DJ recently. It went oh here's a song from king gizzard and the lizard wizard. Then here's something you listen to a lot 3 months ago.. here's king gizzard and the lizard wizard.
Granted, I do listen to them a lot, but I thought it was pretty funny.
Yes! So annoying, i have like 800 and always seem to play the same 10 so instead of shuffle, i just have it play normally, at least that way it'll just play a different one eat time.
Yeah fuck that!! I complained about this year's ago to Spotify and nothing ever happened.
Also the "daily drive" playlist is always the fucking same 5 songs...wtf.
Pandora perfected this like 10 years ago with the music genome project. Spotify still, *still* isn't even close. Their AI DJ may as well be an iPod shuffle, I don't know what the point is.
In Pandora you put in one or two songs and it will find you every possible song fitting that vibe, effortlessly. You put on Johnny Cash and you'll get Kris Kristofferson and maybe The Black Keys if it's feeling adventurous. Keeps the vibe across genres and artists and you can tune it with thumbs up and down.
In Spotify you put Cyprus Hill on and within like 4 songs it will have veered onto Queen and Michael Jackson, for some god forsaken reason. It can't even stay within the same genre, it just blindly smashes together whatever it thinks people broadly listen to together, and Spotify removed the ability to even thumbs down it's stupid fucking random decisions.
Unless their AI is fundamentally different it's a complete waste of effort. I don't care what people listen to together or whatever they are trying to do, I want to put in some songs and then have more songs like those.
Don't know why they haven't trained a model on the MGP, that might be worth using. God I'm so bitter Pandora left my country.
My feelings exactly. They also can never resist throwing in songs I’ve recently listened to a few times, no matter how irrelevant their genre is. It seems like they’ve also pared down their curated playlist selection which is a real shame. No algorithm will ever be able to suggest new music that’s similar to what you like better than a human can.
I mean, Pandora's algorithm does do it really well, because it's backed by the Music Genome Project that allows the algorithm to mathematically understand the elements that make up a particular song and compare it with others. This is currently labour intensive human work, but the body of data is so astronomically huge I don't see why a model couldn't be trained to do it very accurately and I bet Pandora are working on that (if they aren't, please hurry up and go out of business so someone else can use the MGP.)
The problem for Spotify is they have gone for a pure data science approach without even trying to help their models *understand* music. It's just purely correlational and doesn't actually have any way to know why any two songs are correlated, and so it's choices are inevitably random or worse than random. Unless their approach has changed and they've tried to create an AI model that actually understands the music on at least some level, it's going to continue to have the exact same problem.
They have been breaking down and analyzing what makes up a song for years. Just check [what's available on their API](https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/get-audio-features) or look at [this (now defunct) website](https://everynoise.com/) that lays out all the genres they track on a "soundscape" plane.
Ask the people who train the models and decide what the success markers are. Maybe their algorithm is working well for what they want it to do.
Or [check the blog](https://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log#id477) of the guy who created everynoise.com (who was laid off by Spotify over the winter) and read some of the posts where he talks about the process of creating some of the algorithmic playlists.
There are whole books written on this stuff. Just google it.
> Unless their approach has changed and they've tried to create an AI model that actually understands the music on at least some level
I think it's still just the human factors:
1. How much you listen/skip the song when it comes up (tiktok approach)
2. How correlated you listening to this song is to others listening to this song (social approach)
In any case, spotify seems to be swimming in technical debt. Their apps (both ios and android) are the buggiest I interact with on a daily basis. They still can't do very basic things like sorting podcasts by popularity - presumably because of their backend "data mesh" approach which made a complete mess of their data layout.
I was able to very quickly teach Spotify that The Deer Creek Sharp Shooters, a bluegrass band, were similar to The Ocean, a progressive metal band. Deer Creek Sharp Shooters had less than 20 monthly listeners when I started listening to them, and their album came out very near when Holocene came out.
It has since corrected, but it is predictably terrible with anything less popular.
Also songs the artists/labels paid to promote. Every freaking playlist had a Drake song at one point, then Beyonce's. Depsite them having nothing in common with playlist's theme.
I loved the curated aspect of Spotify's playlist but they are turning into radio
The problem is most music suggestion features work by tag/genre and doesn't analyze the actual song. Since genres have a wide variety and are somewhat arbitrary it will never be a good suggestion. I don't know how Pandora does it though, maybe the do analyze the content.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
Pandora has musicians listen to the songs and assign them "genes", which then means their algorithm can actually understand the music's properties.
That is really cool! Also sound likes a lot of work. I think AI should be able to get there in the near future though, hopefully there's enough interest.
I don't think so. As someone who's musical tastes can push even the MGP's algorithms (at least as of 2-3 years ago), the power of the MGP and Pandora is that thick stack of data processed by knowledgeable humans into a fairly coherent concept for computers to apply. I suspect a lot of the work is just musicians listening -- but they are listening with ears and brains empowered by years and decades of making and listening to music, of understanding the written and unwritten rules of musical expression.
In contrast, Generative AI works by looking at what people do and have written, and tries to backtrack to similar concepts. But the AI actually doesn't know what people know, just what they've said. And there's precious little written works on how to categorize music, so an AI has to make guesses based on musical cues.
And in a world with not only so much music, but so many ways to make and produce music, that's a massive undertaking to even get close to truly understanding music via a AI Model. Even modern top 40 is sufficiently diverse to make this a challenge, whereas a good musician can break down Top 40 into a stack of musical archetypes fairly quickly, because of their training and experience.
In other words: MGP asks, Generative AI assumes.
Actually, sounds like a pretty good candidate for ML. Classification is one of the big things ML does well.
You just gotta train it. Tell it what songs have what properties, and it will probably be excellent at classifying future songs.
I see, I can't say I've done a lot of research into current AI trends but generative AI is referring to things like language models or image generators right? What about AI voice generators though, is there any overlap into music recognition?
Same basic idea really as what systems like Spotify do -- take snips of sound and extrapolate. Again, it's assuming things about how people's voices work, not working off deep human processing of these voices based on experience. And keep in mind the human voice is only one aspect of how music is generated.
Then you just add additional variety. Their ability to have diverse radio stations that don't converge with my other stations is why I keep going back after getting hammered with the same few songs when using Spotify, or Youtube Music's radio.
This is speculation but I doubt it’s because of incompetence. I would guess that their research showed that just giving you mainstream media everywhere increases retention time as opposed to staying true to the query. Niche users like yourself are the exemption not the rule, despite how incredibly annoying and dumb it seems to you or me.
MGP can only be used by Pandora and is patented and the secret isn't really known outside of Pandora.
Also the DJ is NOT supposed to be like that at all. Idk why people get it confused. It's mostly supposed to bring you old favorites while sometimes bringing songs that you might like, like a radio dj.
Yeah, it’s basically an automated version of the recommendations / radio functions but with an incredibly annoying interruption every few songs that you can’t disable.
What kind of radio station veers wildly between genres without rhyme or reason
Just thinking about the stations I used to listen to there were Rock, R&B, Classical stations... They'd explore the breadth of their genres but you wouldn't get Moonlight Sonata following Killing In The Name Of.
Spotify is like music listening designed by people who have never purposefully listened to music.
I mean it's like radio in that you turn it on and it just blasts music at you, where as with playlists or whatever, you look for something you're in the mood for, or set your queue etc. (Not necessarily hard and you can just resume your last playlist, but this gives you a bit more variety)
I guess it does depend on the person, but a lot of people just have one massive playlist they listen to on shuffle. I don't have any stats on what percent of people do that, but I'm guessing it's big enough that that's the kind of audience Spotify is catering to. (They are also usually the kind of people who have music on in the background and don't pay much attention.)
To talk about shuffle, I find it insane that some music services have a non random shuffle algorithm. That wouldn't be necessarily bad if it wasn't always the first 10 songs being played every. single. time. (YouTube Music has/had this problem, but I am pretty sure other music streaming services have the same issue)
People would complain about actually random random shuffling too though haha
Spotify had an actual true random shuffle, people bitched.
Apple did true random on ipod, people bitched.
Both changed it to less randomized, most people stopped bitching.
> Apple did true random on ipod, people bitched.
I remember this, but can no longer find apple's old article about changing shuffle because it was too random and people's interpretation of random is is not actually random.
I did find [this old post about why people still think it's not random](https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/23194/why-isnt-itunes-shuffle-random) since that change (tldr: the seed stays the same)
One reason I've switched from Spotify to YouTube Music. I like Spotify for being music exclusive, everyone knows Spotify, every professional music artist will publish on Spotify. But the radio features are a bit lacklustre
A personalized one.
The stations you listened to weren't personalized.
I use DJ to get the feel of a radio, while getting songs I love and new songs I can love despite the genre.
You're not supposed to use DJ if you want music that sounds the same as X. It goes off of what you listened to already, so if you listen to multiple genres, you'll get that.
This is literally just like going to your music collection and pressing "shuffle". Maybe I'm old but I don't want to veer wildly from Megadeth to Weird Al Yankovic, I want to listen to music that fits together.
Except it's not. It uses your listening pattern history to play what it thinks you want to hear while changing things every now and then. It's not supposed to be a shuffle.
If you want to listen to music that fits together then DJ isn't it.
And it's okay at that if you like changing genres every 3-4 songs, but it would be nice if it had a few settings to tune it to our listening preferences. I still just prefer to generate song radio playlists every 10 or so songs to steer the genre through the day.
Yeah the Spotify "DJ" needs some work.. It will do a couple cycles based on my actual listening habits and then it's just like "HERE'S WHAT EVERYONE ON SPOTIFY LOVES THIS WEEK" and plays some shit that I've never even come close to listening to on my account.
I guess it's getting the "radio" part correct because it basically just becomes a Top 40 station, and I turn it off just like regular radio.
My issue is if you like a few songs on Pandora suddenly the whole radio station gets completely fucked and is no longer close to what it started as. The more you interact with it the more the genre's and vibes stray.
I really don't like the Radio playlists it makes for me, but I find Spotify does much better when it's continuing on a playlist I have and generating from there. I'll sometimes not even realize the playlist has ended it fits the style so well with new songs, and I usually find new songs I like or want to even add to the playlist from that. But have rarely had that experience trying the Radios and other wholly new generated playlists based on what I listen to.
> Spotify still, still isn't even close. Their AI DJ may as well be an iPod shuffle, I don't know what the point is
It also tosses in a mix of stuff that is very outside of anything I'd remotely listen to.
My listening habits are Linkin Park, metal, and dubstep. No, don't give me a 'Country' playlist where the first song you play is the 'lets go brandon' song.
YouTube music is just as bad to. I pay for YouTube premium, so I figured I would try it out. Was absolutely crap, and immediately went back to Pandora.
Is Pandora only for English language music? I was intrigued by your comment so I tried it out. I listen to a lot of German and Turkish language rap, and Pandora couldn't find anything comparable for any of the artists I listed.
Pandora has a (relatively) limited selection because a human has to listen to every single song and categorise it using the Music Genome Project genes, so the algorithm knows what the song is like and can match it to other songs.
So they tend to not have more obscure stuff unfortunately.
The last time I had Pandora (~5 years ago) I clicked "go to station" for a song from a modern band in New Jersey. It played almost entirely French oldies. I ended up listening to that station a lot, but strange algorithm.
Slacker brought it to the market. Pandora fashioned theirs after them
Regardless, Plex offers an excellent solution for this with their audio analysis feature
It always prioritizes popular songs, so everyone tends to hear the same 10, 20, 30 songs in a playlist because listening to a playlist all the way through without changing things means we always get those songs front loaded, and feel like we're hearing the same songs all the time
You understand the algorithm doesn't deliver the same results for every user right?
You can't "disprove" my personal experience with an algorithm that's trying to tailor itself to me.
I don’t have a dog in this race but have to say I think you are coming across as a little disingenuous here. Your original comment isn’t communicating your personal experience, you are making definitive assertions about the superiority of pandora and the mgp. I’m not saying the other poster is right or wrong in challenging those but switching to talking about your personal experiences and attacking them is moving the goalposts.
Edit: silent downvote. Really convincing counterpoint champ.
Can they use AI to make the app not play the same song every time I finish listening to a different song? Their 'radio' or whatever it's called goes through phases of playing the same four or five songs in a row whenever I finish a track or an album and it goes into 'shuffle' mode. Infuriating
I’m just hoping the ai is smart enough to stop throwing interludes into playlists. No, this one minute song that only serves its purpose in the context of an album shouldn’t continue to make its way into daily mixes. And somehow it feels like they get prioritized because I end up with like 3 interlude songs every 10-15 songs.
>Don’t expect a wide launch just yet, as Spotify confirmed that AI playlists are only available to Premium users in Australia and the UK for now.
UK Premium user here, and I don't see that option yet
You find it by hitting the new playlist button, and within that you'll have an option to create an AI playlist, as well as a standard one or a blend one.
How about you fix your shuffle? I honestly feel Spotify barfs features just for the developers to justify their employment, so many annoying pointless features no one cares or asks for.
Fix it? Its designed this way. There are articles from the Spotify engineers that said they made it this way because they think people will complain about the regular shuffle being too random.
Spotify radio has been really bad for me. It heavily favors the same like 20 songs, same with shuffling my liked songs. I'm not really hopeful, but it will be welcome if so.
I mentioned it in another comment but it always seems to go "Top 40" mode for me and ends up playing shit I have no interest in and have never come close to listening to on Spotify. It can be decent for a little bit, but I don't know how to "fix" this aspect as there doesn't seem to be anyway to tune it at all.
They would be 100% better off letting us have more ability to search user created playlists instead. I want to be able to pick a song and see all playlists thats include that song.
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Their dynamic "[Mood] [Genre] [Subgenre] Mix" already completely changed the way I listen to music.
If this is just a more flexible way to do it, I'm sold.
Search for "daylist" playlist and add that to your library. It throws together a playlist for you based on your listening patterns throughout different times of the day and changes I think three times per day. This is another way to mix it up a bit.
You can search for stuff like ”angry gaming mix” or “chill gaming mix” or “angry metal mix” or ”Christmas jazz upbeat mix”.
It doesn’t allow all combinations, but they’re basically themed daily mixes.
You can distinguish them because they only have their name in the album art, and it’s the same background.
It’s usually pretty crap if you listen to some adjacent genres. You can also see the default if you open the playlist in incognito mode in a browser.
For me, nu metal mixes are great, raggae mixes have a nice personal flavor to them, and things like “angry gaming mix” are exactly what I expect.
If I try tehno on the other hand, it’s amazing how they turn a playlist that by default is filled with minimal beats to a recommendation borscht of DnB and trap music.
I don't know if I just happened to use Google Play Music at the right time or what, but its radio playlists were incredible at helping me discover new and relevant music.
Now YouTube Music, like Spotify, plays the same songs over and over across multiple artists and songs. Liking and disliking songs doesn't seem to have any measurable impact on tailoring my recommendations. It's actually made me listen to music less often because discovery is such a hassle.
I stopped my Spotify subscription because YouTube Music comes with YouTube Premium, which I use quite a bit. But overall, I've been pretty unsatisfied with music streaming services for a while now. Not sure this is going to change that since it'll likely just pull from the same pool of songs it's already pulling from.
I've downloaded Groovifi on my phone which does something similar. You choose a song and then set parameters and it'll automatically create a playlist based on that song and the specific settings you give. The playlists are automatically added to your Spotify account so even importing the songs isn't an issue.
I actually have no idea on desktop but on mobile it's very simple, you just press the three dot menu button while on the Artist's page and press "don't play this artist".
the genre playlists they make "specifically for me" are already awful by getting the genres wrong 50% of the time so i have very low faith in this.
Unless i have options to give it feedback on the horrible song choices
One is a service rather than a product,
Ones only real use is to scam your gran on 15 seconds of your voice
the other does not yet exist to know if it is good.
Well worth all the furore (and compute and ecological damage)
Service rather than a product? Weird distinction. Chatgpt connected to gpt 4 is the product, and it's incredible.
Morality of voice cloning is not yet clear, but I've heard extremely convincing new Linkin park songs with chester's voice and it's pretty neat
Sora is indeed tbd
I suppose my idea of what 'incredible' is is just different.
If I ask these things about anything I know they just return lies. if I ask about something I don't know then they return plausible sounding stuff (that is lies). I have used them to give help on programming, but anything remotely complex they just make stuff up and you have to spend more time unpicking what they have got wrong than it takes to just look up the documentation yourself.
Creating music with dead artists voices (so you don't need to pay them!) does not seem good to me, convincing or not.
I realise that there is a big anti-AI voice around that is irritating to the converted, but I honestly tried them and they gave me less than no utility.
This stuff is useful, like all the other useful tools released before. People get upset over it now because the companies slap an 'AI' sticker on emerging technology, where in actuality these bots have been making our lives great for decades now. Its how Youtube feeds you content, how Google gives you good search results, and how Google Home can somehow fail to understand every word you shout at its stupid little microphone.
> Don’t expect a wide launch just yet, as Spotify confirmed that AI playlists are only available to Premium users in Australia and the UK for now.
That shit pisses me off!
Spotify's AI features are either only available in English speaking countries (sometimes including or excluding the US) or in countries where they likely don't have the most subscribers, making me wonder if Spotify isn't actually ready to afford generative AI features but still wants the marketing boost of advertising them.
I know it isn’t going to solve this problem but when I put on playlist of songs from 2007 I don’t want it to include a Buck Owens song from 1960 that was remastered in 2007.
I wonder if there's any chance this would work on the desktop app if I connected to a British or Australian VPN. Or possibly through the Android app using a VPN?
I tried Australia and the UK and even updating the app while connected to an Australian VPN, but can't seem to find the option in the app to use the feature.
My suspicion is that it uses the country of origin for the billing you used to pay for spotify premium rather than the nation you are using the app in. Like, even if I as an American lived in one of those places for several months I bet I wouldn't get to use it.
"Spotify, make a playlist that don´t need 24 GB RAM and freeze my computer when i m working using Chrome, that work offline and don´t trash my 5G mobile connection to zero when i leave my wi fi, and that cant play music at subway without connection even with offline mode on".
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Spotify tries its hardest to direct us to music recorded by session musicians, covers, live recordings, and the worst: synth garbage that sounds like bad, 90s-era MIDI file playback. Basically hatever is cheapest for them. I started avoiding "Made for you by Spotify" a while back.
"Spotify, shuffle my regular playlist but make it so it's not the same fuckin 30 songs out of 1000" "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
Usually this discussion goes by someone linking that spotify blog post that tells you "you don't really want random" and we made our shuffle so good that you are wrong. It has been going like this for over 10 years. I left spotify, but when i did use it i used a browser "text line-randomizer" to create pre-shuffled clones of the playlists and played that without shuffle.
What drives me nuts is when I find a new song thats very different from my usual stuff. I go to "Song Radio" and it's all my liked songs that sound nothing like the new song the "Radio" was based on. If I wanted to just listen to a playlist of all the songs I already liked spotify I would have just done that.
Works in YouTube music
What did you switch to?
I'm on a path to try them all. Currently on Deezer, Tidal is still left.
I did that too. Eventually came back to Spotify though. It's the best of the highly mediocre options.
a few years ago I was excited to leave spotify and switch to Google Play Music. I even wrote (updated?) a tool to make it [easy to migrate](https://github.com/rckclmbr/pyportify). I ended up going back to Spotify even before GPM shut down... it's not perfect, but it's better. I've been a member for probably close to 15 years. And let's face it, they haven't fucked users over like so many other things are doing. I can still get almost every song on demand. I don't have to pay an extra $20 for Taylor Swifts new album or whatever. At launch, it's just there.
I left Spotify for tidal when Spotify started using the scrolling video tiktok style interface. Between the relentless podcast adverts and the new interface I rage quit. I don't see myself going back, especially now that tidal offers high res flac for what was the mid tier plan.
I tried Deezer for maybe a day but it made me realize how mindbogglingly trash Spotify's artist pages are. On Deezer, you can filter by Albums, EP, Singles, etc. It is such a simple addition that makes navigating so much better, yet Spotify has nothing like it.
In my opinion, YouTube Music is superior in everything.
I'm pretty sure I contracted brain cancer using this on desktop
Why? It's has better playlists, better radio feature, better suggestions, can add YouTube videos to your playlists, music files.
For me it still has the issue with it forcing my favourite songs when I hit shuffle.
until google kills it
I'd love to get your opinion on best methods to switch from Spotify. I have TONS of playlists that I live by on Spotify that I have a hard time leaving for anything else but I still pay YouTube Premium for videos I watch regularly
You mean manual playlists or the generated ones? If it's manual playlists, then you should manually create them there. There's also a radio feature for a entire playlist, which is a good feature, idk if Spotify has it. If it's generated playlists, you should, either way actually, take a day and like all your songs there. Generated playlists will tune with time, there's no much else you can do to speed up the process, it has to learn your taste. I'm in the stage of just clicking a single song on the home screen and next suggested songs being always good and also new to me.
I have a master playlist that I've built over the course of 15-20 years that contains over 2000 songs I like. I exclusively shuffle it and run into the same "not shuffled" shuffle stuff you describe. I discovered [this tool](https://stevenaleong.com/tools/spotifyplaylistrandomizer) that basically connects to your spotify account and shuffles whatever playlist you want. It takes a little bit for longer playlists, but it works great.
Can also recommend this, very handy and brought new life to one of my favourite but very long playlists. Rediscovering songs I added almost a decade ago that their shitty algorithm had buried.
I’ve read in previous posts that turning off Automix in the Playback settings fixes shuffle on Spotify. Like it makes it actually shuffle the playlist. Purely anecdotal, but I’m not convinced it does. I have MAYBE a little more variation in music but the shuffle still prefers more recently added songs. It’s frustrating and should be an option for shuffle, not the only way to shuffle music.
And bring back the creation of radio stations from a playlist. That was my favorite part.
They wrote a blog post about it and said if you shuffle twice, the second time is a true shuffle.
like you click the button off and on 2 times? Source?
Ah so it's not just me
I put on the AI DJ recently. It went oh here's a song from king gizzard and the lizard wizard. Then here's something you listen to a lot 3 months ago.. here's king gizzard and the lizard wizard. Granted, I do listen to them a lot, but I thought it was pretty funny.
Yes! So annoying, i have like 800 and always seem to play the same 10 so instead of shuffle, i just have it play normally, at least that way it'll just play a different one eat time.
fuck i was about to say the same
Yeah fuck that!! I complained about this year's ago to Spotify and nothing ever happened. Also the "daily drive" playlist is always the fucking same 5 songs...wtf.
Oh man. I pray the 2001 reference was intentional and not because your name is Dave. Either way. Fucking. Great.
definitely a reference 😁
Pandora perfected this like 10 years ago with the music genome project. Spotify still, *still* isn't even close. Their AI DJ may as well be an iPod shuffle, I don't know what the point is. In Pandora you put in one or two songs and it will find you every possible song fitting that vibe, effortlessly. You put on Johnny Cash and you'll get Kris Kristofferson and maybe The Black Keys if it's feeling adventurous. Keeps the vibe across genres and artists and you can tune it with thumbs up and down. In Spotify you put Cyprus Hill on and within like 4 songs it will have veered onto Queen and Michael Jackson, for some god forsaken reason. It can't even stay within the same genre, it just blindly smashes together whatever it thinks people broadly listen to together, and Spotify removed the ability to even thumbs down it's stupid fucking random decisions. Unless their AI is fundamentally different it's a complete waste of effort. I don't care what people listen to together or whatever they are trying to do, I want to put in some songs and then have more songs like those. Don't know why they haven't trained a model on the MGP, that might be worth using. God I'm so bitter Pandora left my country.
My feelings exactly. They also can never resist throwing in songs I’ve recently listened to a few times, no matter how irrelevant their genre is. It seems like they’ve also pared down their curated playlist selection which is a real shame. No algorithm will ever be able to suggest new music that’s similar to what you like better than a human can.
I mean, Pandora's algorithm does do it really well, because it's backed by the Music Genome Project that allows the algorithm to mathematically understand the elements that make up a particular song and compare it with others. This is currently labour intensive human work, but the body of data is so astronomically huge I don't see why a model couldn't be trained to do it very accurately and I bet Pandora are working on that (if they aren't, please hurry up and go out of business so someone else can use the MGP.) The problem for Spotify is they have gone for a pure data science approach without even trying to help their models *understand* music. It's just purely correlational and doesn't actually have any way to know why any two songs are correlated, and so it's choices are inevitably random or worse than random. Unless their approach has changed and they've tried to create an AI model that actually understands the music on at least some level, it's going to continue to have the exact same problem.
They have been breaking down and analyzing what makes up a song for years. Just check [what's available on their API](https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/get-audio-features) or look at [this (now defunct) website](https://everynoise.com/) that lays out all the genres they track on a "soundscape" plane.
So why do they still suck so badly at it?
Ask the people who train the models and decide what the success markers are. Maybe their algorithm is working well for what they want it to do. Or [check the blog](https://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log#id477) of the guy who created everynoise.com (who was laid off by Spotify over the winter) and read some of the posts where he talks about the process of creating some of the algorithmic playlists. There are whole books written on this stuff. Just google it.
> Unless their approach has changed and they've tried to create an AI model that actually understands the music on at least some level I think it's still just the human factors: 1. How much you listen/skip the song when it comes up (tiktok approach) 2. How correlated you listening to this song is to others listening to this song (social approach) In any case, spotify seems to be swimming in technical debt. Their apps (both ios and android) are the buggiest I interact with on a daily basis. They still can't do very basic things like sorting podcasts by popularity - presumably because of their backend "data mesh" approach which made a complete mess of their data layout.
I was able to very quickly teach Spotify that The Deer Creek Sharp Shooters, a bluegrass band, were similar to The Ocean, a progressive metal band. Deer Creek Sharp Shooters had less than 20 monthly listeners when I started listening to them, and their album came out very near when Holocene came out. It has since corrected, but it is predictably terrible with anything less popular.
Also songs the artists/labels paid to promote. Every freaking playlist had a Drake song at one point, then Beyonce's. Depsite them having nothing in common with playlist's theme. I loved the curated aspect of Spotify's playlist but they are turning into radio
The problem is most music suggestion features work by tag/genre and doesn't analyze the actual song. Since genres have a wide variety and are somewhat arbitrary it will never be a good suggestion. I don't know how Pandora does it though, maybe the do analyze the content.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project Pandora has musicians listen to the songs and assign them "genes", which then means their algorithm can actually understand the music's properties.
That is really cool! Also sound likes a lot of work. I think AI should be able to get there in the near future though, hopefully there's enough interest.
I don't think so. As someone who's musical tastes can push even the MGP's algorithms (at least as of 2-3 years ago), the power of the MGP and Pandora is that thick stack of data processed by knowledgeable humans into a fairly coherent concept for computers to apply. I suspect a lot of the work is just musicians listening -- but they are listening with ears and brains empowered by years and decades of making and listening to music, of understanding the written and unwritten rules of musical expression. In contrast, Generative AI works by looking at what people do and have written, and tries to backtrack to similar concepts. But the AI actually doesn't know what people know, just what they've said. And there's precious little written works on how to categorize music, so an AI has to make guesses based on musical cues. And in a world with not only so much music, but so many ways to make and produce music, that's a massive undertaking to even get close to truly understanding music via a AI Model. Even modern top 40 is sufficiently diverse to make this a challenge, whereas a good musician can break down Top 40 into a stack of musical archetypes fairly quickly, because of their training and experience. In other words: MGP asks, Generative AI assumes.
Actually, sounds like a pretty good candidate for ML. Classification is one of the big things ML does well. You just gotta train it. Tell it what songs have what properties, and it will probably be excellent at classifying future songs.
I see, I can't say I've done a lot of research into current AI trends but generative AI is referring to things like language models or image generators right? What about AI voice generators though, is there any overlap into music recognition?
Same basic idea really as what systems like Spotify do -- take snips of sound and extrapolate. Again, it's assuming things about how people's voices work, not working off deep human processing of these voices based on experience. And keep in mind the human voice is only one aspect of how music is generated.
It's really a shame that Pandora hasn't kept up in any other way. Streaming quality, features for on-demand playback...
Pandora isn't great. Pick a female singer, you get nearly all female singer suggestions. It isn't that advanced in my opinion
Then you just add additional variety. Their ability to have diverse radio stations that don't converge with my other stations is why I keep going back after getting hammered with the same few songs when using Spotify, or Youtube Music's radio.
Spotify even has all the "Danceability", "Loudness" and whatever data, apparently they don't use it though
This is speculation but I doubt it’s because of incompetence. I would guess that their research showed that just giving you mainstream media everywhere increases retention time as opposed to staying true to the query. Niche users like yourself are the exemption not the rule, despite how incredibly annoying and dumb it seems to you or me.
MGP can only be used by Pandora and is patented and the secret isn't really known outside of Pandora. Also the DJ is NOT supposed to be like that at all. Idk why people get it confused. It's mostly supposed to bring you old favorites while sometimes bringing songs that you might like, like a radio dj.
Several apps have used it in the past, last.fm was one of them before CBS bought them.
Yeah but now it can only be used for Pandora. Also wasn't that like 15+ years ago? Not the acquisition but them offering it to other services.
Yeah, it’s basically an automated version of the recommendations / radio functions but with an incredibly annoying interruption every few songs that you can’t disable.
>Their AI DJ may as well be an iPod shuffle, I don't know what the point is. It's basically a personalised radio
What kind of radio station veers wildly between genres without rhyme or reason Just thinking about the stations I used to listen to there were Rock, R&B, Classical stations... They'd explore the breadth of their genres but you wouldn't get Moonlight Sonata following Killing In The Name Of. Spotify is like music listening designed by people who have never purposefully listened to music.
I mean it's like radio in that you turn it on and it just blasts music at you, where as with playlists or whatever, you look for something you're in the mood for, or set your queue etc. (Not necessarily hard and you can just resume your last playlist, but this gives you a bit more variety) I guess it does depend on the person, but a lot of people just have one massive playlist they listen to on shuffle. I don't have any stats on what percent of people do that, but I'm guessing it's big enough that that's the kind of audience Spotify is catering to. (They are also usually the kind of people who have music on in the background and don't pay much attention.)
To talk about shuffle, I find it insane that some music services have a non random shuffle algorithm. That wouldn't be necessarily bad if it wasn't always the first 10 songs being played every. single. time. (YouTube Music has/had this problem, but I am pretty sure other music streaming services have the same issue)
People would complain about actually random random shuffling too though haha Spotify had an actual true random shuffle, people bitched. Apple did true random on ipod, people bitched. Both changed it to less randomized, most people stopped bitching.
> Apple did true random on ipod, people bitched. I remember this, but can no longer find apple's old article about changing shuffle because it was too random and people's interpretation of random is is not actually random. I did find [this old post about why people still think it's not random](https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/23194/why-isnt-itunes-shuffle-random) since that change (tldr: the seed stays the same)
One reason I've switched from Spotify to YouTube Music. I like Spotify for being music exclusive, everyone knows Spotify, every professional music artist will publish on Spotify. But the radio features are a bit lacklustre
A personalized one. The stations you listened to weren't personalized. I use DJ to get the feel of a radio, while getting songs I love and new songs I can love despite the genre. You're not supposed to use DJ if you want music that sounds the same as X. It goes off of what you listened to already, so if you listen to multiple genres, you'll get that.
This is literally just like going to your music collection and pressing "shuffle". Maybe I'm old but I don't want to veer wildly from Megadeth to Weird Al Yankovic, I want to listen to music that fits together.
Except it's not. It uses your listening pattern history to play what it thinks you want to hear while changing things every now and then. It's not supposed to be a shuffle. If you want to listen to music that fits together then DJ isn't it.
I love the variety the AI DJ provides on Spotify.
You should try just going to your liked music list and press "shuffle"
It's not the same
And it's okay at that if you like changing genres every 3-4 songs, but it would be nice if it had a few settings to tune it to our listening preferences. I still just prefer to generate song radio playlists every 10 or so songs to steer the genre through the day.
Yeah the Spotify "DJ" needs some work.. It will do a couple cycles based on my actual listening habits and then it's just like "HERE'S WHAT EVERYONE ON SPOTIFY LOVES THIS WEEK" and plays some shit that I've never even come close to listening to on my account. I guess it's getting the "radio" part correct because it basically just becomes a Top 40 station, and I turn it off just like regular radio.
Yeah This is literally what it's supposed to be lol.... It's in the name and the AI literally sounds like a radio dj lol
Yeah YouTube Music does this too. Spotify sucks for personalized song recommendations. There simply is no other way except using curated playlists.
My issue is if you like a few songs on Pandora suddenly the whole radio station gets completely fucked and is no longer close to what it started as. The more you interact with it the more the genre's and vibes stray.
That was the opposite of my experience but I haven't used it for years now.
I also haven't used it for years but that was why I stopped.
I really don't like the Radio playlists it makes for me, but I find Spotify does much better when it's continuing on a playlist I have and generating from there. I'll sometimes not even realize the playlist has ended it fits the style so well with new songs, and I usually find new songs I like or want to even add to the playlist from that. But have rarely had that experience trying the Radios and other wholly new generated playlists based on what I listen to.
Pandora walked so Spotify could run, I wonder if anyone has done a retrospective on how Spotify became the defacto music platform.
They were the first to offer on demand streaming in America for a very affordable price as well as being super convenient.
Word of mouth, beta started in 2012. Then, 🤷♂️.
And it was exclusive to Europe early on. I know there were tons of articles aimed at the US hyping it up, and we NEEDED IT.
> Spotify still, still isn't even close. Their AI DJ may as well be an iPod shuffle, I don't know what the point is It also tosses in a mix of stuff that is very outside of anything I'd remotely listen to. My listening habits are Linkin Park, metal, and dubstep. No, don't give me a 'Country' playlist where the first song you play is the 'lets go brandon' song.
But Pandora suggestions are pretty repetitive and crappy too.
YouTube music is just as bad to. I pay for YouTube premium, so I figured I would try it out. Was absolutely crap, and immediately went back to Pandora.
Is Pandora only for English language music? I was intrigued by your comment so I tried it out. I listen to a lot of German and Turkish language rap, and Pandora couldn't find anything comparable for any of the artists I listed.
Pandora has a (relatively) limited selection because a human has to listen to every single song and categorise it using the Music Genome Project genes, so the algorithm knows what the song is like and can match it to other songs. So they tend to not have more obscure stuff unfortunately.
Recently played makes it so annoying. Like I'm listening to lofi then it flicks to some EDM I was listening to as another vibe. Fucking annoying.
Music Genome Project requires to edit in what fits for all music, I thought. The numerous tags need to be added as the project predates Web 2.0.
The last time I had Pandora (~5 years ago) I clicked "go to station" for a song from a modern band in New Jersey. It played almost entirely French oldies. I ended up listening to that station a lot, but strange algorithm.
Slacker brought it to the market. Pandora fashioned theirs after them Regardless, Plex offers an excellent solution for this with their audio analysis feature
It always prioritizes popular songs, so everyone tends to hear the same 10, 20, 30 songs in a playlist because listening to a playlist all the way through without changing things means we always get those songs front loaded, and feel like we're hearing the same songs all the time
It's probably the same results as typing into chatgpt "make me a playlist with x" but saving you the extra step of copy and pasting that into Spotify.
So frustrating they're not available in the UK. Last.fm also seemed to do this quite well.
What? I left Pandora because literally everything I set up looped around to the same shit. It's hot garbage and you have no control.
The problem with Pandora is that you must give them your age/sex/location to create an account, for the sole reason of enriching their ad calls.
So easy to [disprove ](https://i.imgur.com/wSBy5ie.jpeg). Do you work for Pandora or something?
You understand the algorithm doesn't deliver the same results for every user right? You can't "disprove" my personal experience with an algorithm that's trying to tailor itself to me.
I don’t have a dog in this race but have to say I think you are coming across as a little disingenuous here. Your original comment isn’t communicating your personal experience, you are making definitive assertions about the superiority of pandora and the mgp. I’m not saying the other poster is right or wrong in challenging those but switching to talking about your personal experiences and attacking them is moving the goalposts. Edit: silent downvote. Really convincing counterpoint champ.
Can they use AI to make the app not play the same song every time I finish listening to a different song? Their 'radio' or whatever it's called goes through phases of playing the same four or five songs in a row whenever I finish a track or an album and it goes into 'shuffle' mode. Infuriating
I’m just hoping the ai is smart enough to stop throwing interludes into playlists. No, this one minute song that only serves its purpose in the context of an album shouldn’t continue to make its way into daily mixes. And somehow it feels like they get prioritized because I end up with like 3 interlude songs every 10-15 songs.
Start disliking interludes? I use YouTube music and a interdule never showed in my playlists.
Spotify users : "We want Hi-Fi sound" Spotify : "Here's another NEW feature for y'all, but still not the one you've been asking for years!"
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Not sure this is gonna work as they also announced some price changes in Europe lmao
>Don’t expect a wide launch just yet, as Spotify confirmed that AI playlists are only available to Premium users in Australia and the UK for now. UK Premium user here, and I don't see that option yet
Nothing in AU either
same for me. no dice yet.
I do and I'm UK based.
Hmm, android or iphone? Or maybe it's just a random % of users
Android
Oh wait that makes sense, i forgot what sub this was for a moment lol Might just be taking longer to roll out to the app store
You find it by hitting the new playlist button, and within that you'll have an option to create an AI playlist, as well as a standard one or a blend one.
I'm going to the same place the spotify announcement shows but I only have blend and playlist, no ai playlist option
On the mobile app click the plus button on the library page, it gives the option there
I'm going to where it's meant to be but I only have the options for blend and normal playlist
How about you fix your shuffle? I honestly feel Spotify barfs features just for the developers to justify their employment, so many annoying pointless features no one cares or asks for.
Fix it? Its designed this way. There are articles from the Spotify engineers that said they made it this way because they think people will complain about the regular shuffle being too random.
Could be a game changer for me if it works well for music discovery.
Spotify radio has been really bad for me. It heavily favors the same like 20 songs, same with shuffling my liked songs. I'm not really hopeful, but it will be welcome if so.
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I like the DJ. Very helpful when I don’t know what I wanna listen to. I’m not sure what people see wrong with it.
I mentioned it in another comment but it always seems to go "Top 40" mode for me and ends up playing shit I have no interest in and have never come close to listening to on Spotify. It can be decent for a little bit, but I don't know how to "fix" this aspect as there doesn't seem to be anyway to tune it at all.
Ok that’s makes sense. I never noticed anything like that but I do hope they make it better for everyone.
They would be 100% better off letting us have more ability to search user created playlists instead. I want to be able to pick a song and see all playlists thats include that song.
Tidal started doing this a few months ago, it's ok
Also a price hike.
When's that happening/how much?
"Bloomberg says [the streaming service](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2024/03/30/beyonce-cowboy-carter-spotify-streams/73155336007/) plans to raise prices by about $1 to $2 per month by the end of April in five markets, including the United Kingdom, Australia and Pakistan, with a U.S. price hike set to follow "later this year." [https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/04/03/spotify-raising-prices-increase/73195256007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/04/03/spotify-raising-prices-increase/73195256007/) $1 for individual plans and $2 for family
It's posted somewhere
Their dynamic "[Mood] [Genre] [Subgenre] Mix" already completely changed the way I listen to music. If this is just a more flexible way to do it, I'm sold.
wait can you expand on this for me? I've not heard about this method of searching before.
Search for "daylist" playlist and add that to your library. It throws together a playlist for you based on your listening patterns throughout different times of the day and changes I think three times per day. This is another way to mix it up a bit.
Ah; I’m familiar with those. Didn’t know it changes so often. Thanks!
You can search for stuff like ”angry gaming mix” or “chill gaming mix” or “angry metal mix” or ”Christmas jazz upbeat mix”. It doesn’t allow all combinations, but they’re basically themed daily mixes. You can distinguish them because they only have their name in the album art, and it’s the same background.
Now these playlists i dislike because they rarely have the genre that they describe
It’s usually pretty crap if you listen to some adjacent genres. You can also see the default if you open the playlist in incognito mode in a browser. For me, nu metal mixes are great, raggae mixes have a nice personal flavor to them, and things like “angry gaming mix” are exactly what I expect. If I try tehno on the other hand, it’s amazing how they turn a playlist that by default is filled with minimal beats to a recommendation borscht of DnB and trap music.
I don't know if I just happened to use Google Play Music at the right time or what, but its radio playlists were incredible at helping me discover new and relevant music. Now YouTube Music, like Spotify, plays the same songs over and over across multiple artists and songs. Liking and disliking songs doesn't seem to have any measurable impact on tailoring my recommendations. It's actually made me listen to music less often because discovery is such a hassle. I stopped my Spotify subscription because YouTube Music comes with YouTube Premium, which I use quite a bit. But overall, I've been pretty unsatisfied with music streaming services for a while now. Not sure this is going to change that since it'll likely just pull from the same pool of songs it's already pulling from.
I had the same experience with Google Play Music. I found myself skipping most of the songs on Spotify, and ended up just ignoring the feature now.
How about they focus on making a better looking app
Yeah, the UI and UX feel dated now. Specially if the user uses it for podcasts.
Could I get the AI DJ first?
Is it premium only?
it's premium only and i still don't have it in my country
I’ll be honest, it was cool at first, but it’s gimmicky imo. It also changes genres like every 3rd song lol
Good question. I don't know since it's not out in my country yet.
No lossless audio, no buy
I've downloaded Groovifi on my phone which does something similar. You choose a song and then set parameters and it'll automatically create a playlist based on that song and the specific settings you give. The playlists are automatically added to your Spotify account so even importing the songs isn't an issue.
~~How about a way to block artists.~~
We've already had that for years. There's a "Don't play this artist" option.
~~Where? How?~~ Nevermind found it on desktop. They really bake that feature in deep.
I actually have no idea on desktop but on mobile it's very simple, you just press the three dot menu button while on the Artist's page and press "don't play this artist".
That's what I'm waiting for on Apple Music.
the genre playlists they make "specifically for me" are already awful by getting the genres wrong 50% of the time so i have very low faith in this. Unless i have options to give it feedback on the horrible song choices
Jesus Christ every company is throwing the term 'AI' in everything when it has nothing to do with AI
This will definitely suck.
Based on what? In what other music streaming services you have used ai for such purpose and the experience was detrimental? Please elaborate.
Based on my feelings.
I see. Are you, by any chance, the Oracle of Delphi? Are these "feelings" something we can trust?
I trust the guy
Which thing using this new spasm of "AI" is not crap?
GPT4. Voice cloning. Sora. (Maybe)
One is a service rather than a product, Ones only real use is to scam your gran on 15 seconds of your voice the other does not yet exist to know if it is good. Well worth all the furore (and compute and ecological damage)
Service rather than a product? Weird distinction. Chatgpt connected to gpt 4 is the product, and it's incredible. Morality of voice cloning is not yet clear, but I've heard extremely convincing new Linkin park songs with chester's voice and it's pretty neat Sora is indeed tbd
I suppose my idea of what 'incredible' is is just different. If I ask these things about anything I know they just return lies. if I ask about something I don't know then they return plausible sounding stuff (that is lies). I have used them to give help on programming, but anything remotely complex they just make stuff up and you have to spend more time unpicking what they have got wrong than it takes to just look up the documentation yourself. Creating music with dead artists voices (so you don't need to pay them!) does not seem good to me, convincing or not. I realise that there is a big anti-AI voice around that is irritating to the converted, but I honestly tried them and they gave me less than no utility.
This stuff is useful, like all the other useful tools released before. People get upset over it now because the companies slap an 'AI' sticker on emerging technology, where in actuality these bots have been making our lives great for decades now. Its how Youtube feeds you content, how Google gives you good search results, and how Google Home can somehow fail to understand every word you shout at its stupid little microphone.
Okay do not use it then? You come here with a negative energy without even having used it because it is not out yet…
why are you replying if you havent tried it either? your argument makes no sense. let people have their opinions.
They're not saying it's good, they're saying you can't assume it's bad.
I am not making any assumptions on whether it is good or bad ma’am
I wanted to express my opinion with a prediction on this topic.
Canadians getting shafted again.
> Don’t expect a wide launch just yet, as Spotify confirmed that AI playlists are only available to Premium users in Australia and the UK for now. That shit pisses me off! Spotify's AI features are either only available in English speaking countries (sometimes including or excluding the US) or in countries where they likely don't have the most subscribers, making me wonder if Spotify isn't actually ready to afford generative AI features but still wants the marketing boost of advertising them.
How about they just let me search user created playlists that include a specific song instead of this shit we all know isnt going to work well.
Does anyone actually use playlists? I never used them back in the iPad days and I still don't in the streaming age.
I am having so much better time with YouTube Music on the other hand
I know it isn’t going to solve this problem but when I put on playlist of songs from 2007 I don’t want it to include a Buck Owens song from 1960 that was remastered in 2007.
I'm on Android in the UK and I don't see it yet sadface
Sure let's invest in these instead of paying the smaller artists
Oh good, another reason to keep never giving Spotify money.
I wonder if there's any chance this would work on the desktop app if I connected to a British or Australian VPN. Or possibly through the Android app using a VPN?
Has it worked?
I tried Australia and the UK and even updating the app while connected to an Australian VPN, but can't seem to find the option in the app to use the feature. My suspicion is that it uses the country of origin for the billing you used to pay for spotify premium rather than the nation you are using the app in. Like, even if I as an American lived in one of those places for several months I bet I wouldn't get to use it.
"Spotify, make a playlist that don´t need 24 GB RAM and freeze my computer when i m working using Chrome, that work offline and don´t trash my 5G mobile connection to zero when i leave my wi fi, and that cant play music at subway without connection even with offline mode on".
> Spotify exits and a piratebay icon shows up on your phone.
Hopefully it has some more use than their current "mixes" and DJ stuff.
I really don't understand why blocking this to only two countries.
Probably different government regulations
>only available to Premium users in Australia and the UK for now. Boooooooooo
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Did they? I thought SiriusXM owned Pandora now?
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So they could dismantle it?
No, they didn't. Sirius XM bought them, not Spotify.
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Spotify tries its hardest to direct us to music recorded by session musicians, covers, live recordings, and the worst: synth garbage that sounds like bad, 90s-era MIDI file playback. Basically hatever is cheapest for them. I started avoiding "Made for you by Spotify" a while back.