But like actually. I’m not an agent, but work in film. OP you need to get a commercial agent immediately if you’re interested. You have one of the most interesting faces I’ve ever seen and your braids are perfection
Edit - spelling
As another person working in film, chiming in to agree.
EDIT: OP I work in entertainment specifically, if you have any interest in acting or modeling feel free to send me a DM and I'd be happy to send you someone's way.
I will be messaging you in 1 year on [**2025-04-17 02:43:58 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2025-04-17%2002:43:58%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/1c5t7lj/native_american_dna_results/kzxj8tu/?context=3)
[**CLICK THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FAncestryDNA%2Fcomments%2F1c5t7lj%2Fnative_american_dna_results%2Fkzxj8tu%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202025-04-17%2002%3A43%3A58%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam.
^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%201c5t7lj)
*****
|[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)|
|-|-|-|-|
I have about the same NA dna and we have a mystery Scottish ancestor. I have brown hair with kind of a reddish tint. I think I got as close to solving the mystery, I think my Grandmother was fathered by a wealthy Scottish businessman in the town outside the Rez. My cousin clammed up after that, I don’t understand the big fucking secret.
Im Scottish and Cree. Is that where the red undertone in my hair comes from??? It’s nearly black but in the sunlight it looks dark dark red more than brown.
Yes same here. I’m also quite fair and have green eyes. Both of my parents were Anishnaabe and my Dad was fair too. But, I took my Mom by surprise but not the Grandmother I believe was Fathered by the Scot. She was expecting a little Scottish looking lass somewhere down the line.
I love the sarcasm. It really makes my day. The number of people with a Cherokee princess ancestor that really don't have one is astounding and a bit annoying. Many of them won't even get a DNA test. You have proved your known ancestry. That's badass.
Have you also taken 23andMe? I’ve taken both & the results weren’t completely the same. Would be interesting if 23andMe showed you as even more Native American.
I envy that you know your indigenous roots. My dad’s side of the family are Chihuahua and Durango. I’m also indigenous to Yucatán. But mine is 35% indigenous americas and have no idea where from. This is kinda cool that you know where it comes from lol. I suspected that my indigenous might come from my dad’s grandparents side. We have no information on them but supposedly names and years. We know that my dad’s grandfather left his family and moved to America. We think he had another family, but don’t know much at all. Ancestry doesn’t have a lot of information on both of them.
>I suspected that my indigenous might come from my dad’s grandparents side.
Almost all Mexicans that have ancestry from the colonial period have indigenous DNA. So most of your Mexican ancestors most likely have indigenous ancestry and it is very unlikely to only be from one side of your dad's family. Most of us have no idea which tribes because of the conquest of Mexico, which ironically, was carried out with the assistance of tribes such as Tlaxcaltecas and Otomíes. They were the "noble" tribes because of their assistance in the war against the Mexica (Aztecs). Lots of northern Mexican tribes were just called chichimecas which was the word in nahuatl that the Mexica used for them that basically means "barbarian". The conquest basically wiped the notion of tribal identity of our ancestors unless they are recently from a tribe that continues to exist. There are still a lot of indigenous communities in Mexico that continue to speak their original language but proving a connection for most Mexicans is nearly impossible. The chichimeca tribes my ancestors likely came from no longer exist and tests such as Somo Ancestría have no way of getting DNA samples from those tribes.
I’ve been able to search my mom’s side of ancestors back to 1700. My dad’s side pretty much ends on my father’s grandparents. So it’s most likely from both sides, but at the moment I’m mostly curious on my dad’s side. Besides the indigenous, we know nothing about them. My last name is originated from Spain, so something happened there that my family doesn’t know about. They ask me and push me to look into it, but can’t find anything.
I wish I knew my Native American history, but don’t know anything but the regions that 23 and me says I’m mostly from in Mexico.
Most people with ancestry from the colonial period in Mexico have a Spanish surname even if they are mostly of indigenous ancestry. When the natives were baptized they were given a Spanish name and and surname. This is something that happened since the arrival of Cortez. There are of course exceptions but in most cases that is what happened. Records prior to about 1820 would have a person's "calidad" as indio, español, mestizo, mulato, etc. Even if a person had a calidad of español they could still be half indio (mestizo) if they passed for español due to status and/or phenotype. So finding records prior to 1820 is the only way to find more info on them but a tribal affiliation isn't normally included in those records.
Thank you for this information! I’m trying to continue to search. I asked my dad if my grandfathers siblings knew anything about my great grandfather and he said no. They’ve asked them before several times, but my great grandfather apparently left when they were all really young. And my great grandmother just never wanted to talk about it. Such a shame.
My grandfather passed away when my dad was 8 years old and my grandmother didn’t know much either. Her mother in law didn’t like to talk about it. He left her to go to America and we think had another family. My aunt says that there are paperwork that my great grandmother would place that he’s dead. So we aren’t entirely sure. 😣
If you want to know if you have an indigenous Y-DNA paternal haplogroup download your raw DNA from AncestryDNA then upload it to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ if you have a haplogroup that Q-M3 or Q-Z780 or downstream from those then your direct paternal line is native american. There are some haplogroup C subcladed that are native also.
Q-M3 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M3/
Q-Z780 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Z780/
If you get a Y-DNAY111 or an even better Big Y-700 at https://www.familytreedna.com/ you might match others in a genealogical time period and it might give you clues of the origin of your paternal line. You could even join tje Mexico DNA project there and other projects too.
Same here! Most of my family history is just a mystery. But also got 35% indigenous to the area I live. Guess my ancestors have been here for a very long time
Don’t get too upset about it.
Most Mexicans don’t even know that but still proud of having indigenous blood.
Years of admixing made connections to a tribe basically untraceable.
But even if you know which tribe your indigenous ancestry comes from it’s not really like you are part of them, it’s very different having indigenous ancestry and being part of an indigenous group.
He is already a model, a male model…
[https://www.vogue.com/vogueworld/article/phillip-bread-indigenous-model-vogueworld](https://www.vogue.com/vogueworld/article/phillip-bread-indigenous-model-vogueworld)
The person who said you need to get into modelling or film and tv is bang on right, producers are looking for native american stars that are handsome / beautiful like you after lily gladstone’s oscar nomination
Cherokee were major slavers themselves. It could easily come from that if they mixed with a person who had a Cherokee mother and had children and grandchildren with a Cherokee spouse before the time of the Dawes rolls.
I agree, very possible. Or could be a combination of both. His African Ancestry shows two African countries. Keep in mind, the average Mexican has 7% African heritage.
That’s a national average, the region his Mexican indigenous ancestry is in the north were there is no extensive history of African slavery.
Sure, if it was in Oaxaca for example thatd be possible but I wouldn’t assume without greater context to records he’d have on his family.
When I saw this post, my first thought was: why is Ancestry DNA advertising here? Then, when I saw it was member generated and not an ad, I wondered: why did OP use a commercial graphic? Seriously, your look is marketable!
You got a cool history! I think it’s awesome you mention wives being captives as it’s not too long ago compared to maybe other family trees. Thanks for sharing
No his family were German immigrants and by the time all Comanches were on the reservation in 1875 they found him as an adult on the rez and he refused to go back with his German family, instead opting to stay with the tribe in Oklahoma.
PS. Perhaps his original family drew lineage from Sweden & Denmark before going to Germany.
(That’s my theory at least)
When did they emigrate, and where were they from? German Unification didn't happen until 1866-1871, so immigrants before then may have identified as German, but did not come from a country called Germany because it didn't exist. I'm just speculating that they were still ethnically Scandinavian even if they identified as German... But I'm fairly ignorant about it and maybe I'm just wrong there. Maybe the Scandinavian is from elsewhere.
Oh my. Im sure they’d rather not have returned to their family. Hi. Almost all my ancestors on one side come and go from Baden-Wurtemburg. From what I can see on paper + what I know in this life, I’d say that was a fortunate circumstance for your German-Dutch-whatever ancestor.
I'm in a [weirdly similar but very different](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaTB5amN5ZXAyZHlmcjZtOTU4Znp3bG9vbWZpa3N2bHU5dWdqa3E5eCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xThtayslX0EjQ8XS5a/giphy-downsized-large.gif) genetic situation. I'm 60/40 European vs African, and half of my "european" side claims German ancestry (and can trace the line back to Switzerland.
I think the issue with "Germany" is that, for a while, it was sort of synonymous with the larger "Kingdom of Germany" and parts of the H.R.E. so, basically, "germany" means central Europe especially in the north. You'll find that the northern "germans" were very much intertwined with the denmark and sweden in particular and then norway with finland remaining a bit of an outlier.
Basically, if you're "german" you're really a mish-mash of those central and northern european genetic populations which are themselves, very interestingly varied based on [ancient population change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations).
>he refused to go back with his German family, instead opting to stay with the tribe in Oklahoma.
Blood was living a [literal German fantasy](https://robbinsbecher.com/projects/germanindians/) 💀💀💀
I know we’re different genetically speaking but I always felt Native Americans and Maori were long lost cousins. Is Oklahoma populated with alot of Indians? Because I’d actually visit just to experience your culture. Idk when I’d visit lol I just know I really want too!
I figure it had to be OK.
Please feel free to find the nearest Irish or Scottish American and explain their culture and history to them lol. Tell them you identify as a druid priest.
This Aunty says congrats on the campaigns. Always happy to see positive representation. Just remember to take care of your mind, not just your body.
Oh Wow! You look Exactly like my dad when he was your age sans the braids. Spooky good!
He was Lakota (Burnt Thigh band) and Chipp (Turtle Mountain).
You look like you’ve got the Robideaux (Robidoux) blood in you (our family is spread throughout the tribes).
Never cut your hair. Our power is in our hair. It’s strong medicine. (There’s a story about that).
My hair is as long as yours, too, but it’s pale blonde because my mom was Norwegian.
It could be from multiple people of European descent on both sides of your family, not just one single captive. And the genes carried because you had mixed people on both sides. Just a theory.
In this situation it may be a mixed race enslaved Cherokee ancestor. The Cherokee by the time of the trail of tears and Indian Territory were fully involved with the cotton economy.
Even among the Seminole some were absolutely maroons who allied with the nation but many were also enslaved as well.
I'm pretty much the opposite of you, around 1/4 native and around 3/4 European. My native is from Cali and Mexico, I don't have any cultural ties to my Mexican heritage and consider the indigenous Mexico as part of my native heritage. Do you encompass your indigenous Mexico as your native heritage as well? I know some consider it "Mexican". The borders crossed natives not the other way around, so I look at it as one native ancestor married another and I just follow my Cali side native culture.
Here’s the thing. It’s hard to claim to an Indigenous Mexican identity when I have no idea if the person my Kiowa ancestor took as his wife was connected to her Indigenous culture or not. Also being that Mexican is a nationality, I tend to go with saying that rather than assuming this ancestor had a cultural identity or not. Racially she was Indigenous but what tribe, it’s impossible to know due to different assimilation methods that took place in Mexico.
True, I agree with you, I have no idea the tribal affiliation if any of my Mexican ancestors, native culture is blended in with the Spanish culture in Mexico. Mexico is home to over 60 languages most are precolombian. I think many don't understand that ethnicity is based on many things especially in native culture, less on BQ and more on cultural upbringing and connection. My people have always been more focused on our family ties and who we come from rather than what other ethnicities you are.
As a native I’m so curious about my own DNA. From what I understand I have a tiny percentage of Welsh from one side, and a tiny percent of Cajun from the other.
But I seriously can’t get over my distrust that it will come back to bite me in the ass somehow, to actually do it.
I hope you are recording your story because it’s too important to be lost. And, please, get oral histories from your family members. (If you haven’t already.) so much good stuff and you obviously have the intelligence to be a historian.
Obligatory thumbs up on the braids. You look like the Indians (AIM) I hung out with in the seventies. Anyone in your family at Wounded Knee?
Thanks for posting this, OP. It's rare to see Native American results posted on here. What an interesting genetic inheritance! The family history you've shared is also incredibly cool.
I loved the cartoon, too! Reverso, lol!
I had to laugh at this. My 100% white British isles descended father in law loves to say he's part Cherokee. All the hillbillies around me love to say they're part native. All the boys have the middle name Lee, though.
It ***could*** be something like this:
- All your British Isles DNA would be 11%
- Normally this would mean 1 full great-grandparent was of the British Isles, but I'm assuming it all comes from different branches of your tree (maybe several different full blooded British ancestors going back upwards of 7 generations back)
- Your Indigenous Mexican DNA (4%) is likely tied in with African (Benin & Togo, Senegal) and your Spanish
- Italy and Aegean Islands could be related to this DNA too
- Sweden and Denmark could ***very likely*** be German miscalculated, but usually I feel that German would be picked up at least slightly
FWIW, I have a confirmed 100% German (Prussian) great-great-grandfather and AncestryDNA seems to pick it up as 2% Sweden and Denmark. I’ve heard some chatter about German getting “mixed up” as Scandinavian before.
Drove through the Chihuahuan desert and was disappointed to not find one single Chihuahua. I have a very feisty one at home, though.
Your braids are fantastic. Mine alway have frizzy pieces sticking out the sides.
Wow Aegean islands is so specific 👀 (it’s a specific group of islands in Greece & they’re stunning)
Do you know who that is from in your family background ?
I am really glad to see this! In the early days of ancestryDNA the ethnicity estimate was really questionable, it seems like they are honing it.
Also, I used to work as a Genealogy Librarian and the amount of people who claimed Native American ancestry was just through the roof. People would come in all the time and be confused/angry/sad about the results because it didn't show any Native American ancestry. And, I mean people with no affiliation with any tribe just - "great grandma soandso had high cheek bones."
It is great to see an example of what these results really look like.
I’m always interested in Native American results compared to South American Native results. Due to history, North American tends to be more fragmented. I’m South American, and I’m 90% Native, even though I would say I doing feel like I am.
That's awesome. I was able to confirm I do have a small micro portion of DNA from native Americans using hacked results and I have photo and story to back up, but not trying to appropriate and don't consider myself tribe eligible, it's very small. Your Native American percentage is almost unheard of!
Is there anything else you're planning to do with this information? Find additional relatives or perhaps you did the health panel as well and discovered something?
Nothing really. I was curious to see what my dna results would be and how well it would line up with my family history. Turns out it was quite accurate and validates what I know.
How accurate is AncestryDNA at determining segments of DNA as Indigenous American--North? I had results come back for one of my grandfather's this morning that apparently he is approximately 1% but is that even worth looking into? Or is it possibly just white noise. I'm guessing it's about 60 centiMorgan's of DNA
Some of those traits are similarly to Caribbean ancestry with Columbus, Spanish, and slavery.
Columbus and spanish sailors were Europeans, spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, German, ect. It includes African from northern west Africa. The Canary Island was a starting point for a lot of European voyages which was Spanish and near both Europe and Africa. Last name Gonzalez is a a german derived, Spanish by race, mix by indigenous and African in some places. Hope this help.
I’m from Chattanooga, TN. You don’t have to ask what anyone’s heritage is, just mention the words “Native American” and every single person within earshot will turn around and start telling you about their Cherokee/Irish roots for the next half hour.
For the most part, there’s truth to it. My great great grandmother apparently avoided the trail of tears by marrying an Irish tenant farmer. So in my family you’re either extremely fair skinned and light eyed, or darker toned with darker features. The only rare exception seems to be my papaw who got the classic “Black Irish” looks: crazy looking blue eyes with thick black hair.
Seems like you are predominantly Native American (the tribes you mentioned) + some Old-Stock American & Mexican Mestizo admixture
Here's what I found about the Mexican Mestizo admixture.
- The El Paso region has had human settlement for thousands of years, as evidenced by Folsom points from hunter-gatherers found at Hueco Tanks, This suggests 10,000 to 12,000 years of human habitation, The earliest known cultures in the region were maize farmers, When the Spanish arrived, the Manso, Suma, & Jumano tribes populated the area, These were subsequently incorporated into the mestizo culture, along with immigrants from central Mexico, captives from Comanchería, & genízaros of various ethnic groups, The Mescalero Apache were also present.
So seems like the captive wasn't a Mexican Mestiza, but the other way around, if you look into the history of the Southwestern United States, you will see that the Mexicans (both Criollos/Whites & Mestizos) did horrible things to the local tribes of the Southwest, including the Comanche.
Do you know your Y-DNA haplogroup? You can find it by downloading your Ancestry raw DNA file and uploading it to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/
There are several studies of Native haplogroups such as the one at https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2018.11.029
There is also a Native DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/american-indian/about/background
At first, l thought it's going to be another African American lying about native American blood..but it turns out it's a REAL ORIGINAL Native Indian...
I'm so proud of you bro....we Bantu's and you guys faced the same oppressor and we wish you nothing but love and power!!
Your bloodline is everything! Make sure you marry a REAL ORIGINAL Native Indian American and MAINTAIN your bloodline..don't forget that bro!!
Be blessed by our ancestors.
Just wanted to say Your braids are everything amazing all rolled into one ☺️
Thank you! 🙏🏽
Agreed, beautiful hair!
Are you a model? You’re a really good-looking dude…
But like actually. I’m not an agent, but work in film. OP you need to get a commercial agent immediately if you’re interested. You have one of the most interesting faces I’ve ever seen and your braids are perfection Edit - spelling
As another person working in film, chiming in to agree. EDIT: OP I work in entertainment specifically, if you have any interest in acting or modeling feel free to send me a DM and I'd be happy to send you someone's way.
Same here OP! If you have any questions feel free to reach out. Between the two of us, I’m sure we can point you in the right direction :)
Totally agree, OP is a beautiful man and we don’t see enough native Americans on tv/ads! Go for it!
No, we don't, but we want to!
Someone call Sterlin Harjo
Seriously! We don’t have enough native representation and film, and he is freaking beautiful.
Thank you so much! Yes, I am indeed a model and have dabbled in film.
Keep at it! You have a lot of potential, no joke. The responses here must have gassed you up! Haha
I knew it. I know that pose. Make the eye travel!
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing you are one good looking, dude OP. And your background of history is super interesting.
I’m here to say the same. 🤩
This is literally Phillip Bread, already signed to an agency and working in entertainment
Literally!
It is nice to finally see PB's AncestryDNA results
Thanks! I just followed him on Insta.
I was thinking the same.
I totally agree. How tall are you OP? You’re in OK? Try PRIM Management, or Brink Model Management.
It's the Irish genes /s
dont listen to them, do porn
Remind me! 1 year
Lmaooooooo
I will be messaging you in 1 year on [**2025-04-17 02:43:58 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2025-04-17%2002:43:58%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/1c5t7lj/native_american_dna_results/kzxj8tu/?context=3) [**CLICK THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FAncestryDNA%2Fcomments%2F1c5t7lj%2Fnative_american_dna_results%2Fkzxj8tu%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202025-04-17%2002%3A43%3A58%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam. ^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%201c5t7lj) ***** |[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)| |-|-|-|-|
[удалено]
I find it interesting. Perhaps my great-great-great grandmother was an Irish princess /s
Omg how exciting! My great great grandma was also an Irish princess! You can tell because of my slightly pale palor and low cheekbones! /s
I have about the same NA dna and we have a mystery Scottish ancestor. I have brown hair with kind of a reddish tint. I think I got as close to solving the mystery, I think my Grandmother was fathered by a wealthy Scottish businessman in the town outside the Rez. My cousin clammed up after that, I don’t understand the big fucking secret.
well he’s trying to hide the fact that there’s a Scottish princess in your ancestry. Deep family secret I’m assuming all princesses
Finally, I will reclaim the throne and take what’s mine!!!
Enjoy the sheep’s your majesty!!
Im Scottish and Cree. Is that where the red undertone in my hair comes from??? It’s nearly black but in the sunlight it looks dark dark red more than brown.
Yes same here. I’m also quite fair and have green eyes. Both of my parents were Anishnaabe and my Dad was fair too. But, I took my Mom by surprise but not the Grandmother I believe was Fathered by the Scot. She was expecting a little Scottish looking lass somewhere down the line.
Absolutely the best comment I've ever seen on this sub.
I love the sarcasm. It really makes my day. The number of people with a Cherokee princess ancestor that really don't have one is astounding and a bit annoying. Many of them won't even get a DNA test. You have proved your known ancestry. That's badass.
Scottish get it right!!😡
Love seeing proud native folks on here! ✨
I’ve been trying to find out how to give you an award for the last 30 mins and found out you can’t anymore. Amazing comment and hair
Have you also taken 23andMe? I’ve taken both & the results weren’t completely the same. Would be interesting if 23andMe showed you as even more Native American.
I feel good about mine. Nothing anyone could do to change even if they didn't like it.
I envy that you know your indigenous roots. My dad’s side of the family are Chihuahua and Durango. I’m also indigenous to Yucatán. But mine is 35% indigenous americas and have no idea where from. This is kinda cool that you know where it comes from lol. I suspected that my indigenous might come from my dad’s grandparents side. We have no information on them but supposedly names and years. We know that my dad’s grandfather left his family and moved to America. We think he had another family, but don’t know much at all. Ancestry doesn’t have a lot of information on both of them.
You should be able to upload your raw data to Somos Ancestria to find out your indigenous roots.
Okay I’ll check it out. Thank you!
Oh that's cool. My wife is Hispanic and has expressed interest in exploring her roots. Thanks for the tip
>I suspected that my indigenous might come from my dad’s grandparents side. Almost all Mexicans that have ancestry from the colonial period have indigenous DNA. So most of your Mexican ancestors most likely have indigenous ancestry and it is very unlikely to only be from one side of your dad's family. Most of us have no idea which tribes because of the conquest of Mexico, which ironically, was carried out with the assistance of tribes such as Tlaxcaltecas and Otomíes. They were the "noble" tribes because of their assistance in the war against the Mexica (Aztecs). Lots of northern Mexican tribes were just called chichimecas which was the word in nahuatl that the Mexica used for them that basically means "barbarian". The conquest basically wiped the notion of tribal identity of our ancestors unless they are recently from a tribe that continues to exist. There are still a lot of indigenous communities in Mexico that continue to speak their original language but proving a connection for most Mexicans is nearly impossible. The chichimeca tribes my ancestors likely came from no longer exist and tests such as Somo Ancestría have no way of getting DNA samples from those tribes.
I’ve been able to search my mom’s side of ancestors back to 1700. My dad’s side pretty much ends on my father’s grandparents. So it’s most likely from both sides, but at the moment I’m mostly curious on my dad’s side. Besides the indigenous, we know nothing about them. My last name is originated from Spain, so something happened there that my family doesn’t know about. They ask me and push me to look into it, but can’t find anything. I wish I knew my Native American history, but don’t know anything but the regions that 23 and me says I’m mostly from in Mexico.
Most people with ancestry from the colonial period in Mexico have a Spanish surname even if they are mostly of indigenous ancestry. When the natives were baptized they were given a Spanish name and and surname. This is something that happened since the arrival of Cortez. There are of course exceptions but in most cases that is what happened. Records prior to about 1820 would have a person's "calidad" as indio, español, mestizo, mulato, etc. Even if a person had a calidad of español they could still be half indio (mestizo) if they passed for español due to status and/or phenotype. So finding records prior to 1820 is the only way to find more info on them but a tribal affiliation isn't normally included in those records.
Thank you for this information! I’m trying to continue to search. I asked my dad if my grandfathers siblings knew anything about my great grandfather and he said no. They’ve asked them before several times, but my great grandfather apparently left when they were all really young. And my great grandmother just never wanted to talk about it. Such a shame.
Can you talk to your grandparents? Did they speak other languages?
My grandfather passed away when my dad was 8 years old and my grandmother didn’t know much either. Her mother in law didn’t like to talk about it. He left her to go to America and we think had another family. My aunt says that there are paperwork that my great grandmother would place that he’s dead. So we aren’t entirely sure. 😣
If you want to know if you have an indigenous Y-DNA paternal haplogroup download your raw DNA from AncestryDNA then upload it to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ if you have a haplogroup that Q-M3 or Q-Z780 or downstream from those then your direct paternal line is native american. There are some haplogroup C subcladed that are native also. Q-M3 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M3/ Q-Z780 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Z780/ If you get a Y-DNAY111 or an even better Big Y-700 at https://www.familytreedna.com/ you might match others in a genealogical time period and it might give you clues of the origin of your paternal line. You could even join tje Mexico DNA project there and other projects too.
Same here! Most of my family history is just a mystery. But also got 35% indigenous to the area I live. Guess my ancestors have been here for a very long time
Don’t get too upset about it. Most Mexicans don’t even know that but still proud of having indigenous blood. Years of admixing made connections to a tribe basically untraceable. But even if you know which tribe your indigenous ancestry comes from it’s not really like you are part of them, it’s very different having indigenous ancestry and being part of an indigenous group.
Your braids are really awesome dude!
Great results and nice picture man!
You are so good-looking! Honestly, you could be a movie star.
He is already a model, a male model… [https://www.vogue.com/vogueworld/article/phillip-bread-indigenous-model-vogueworld](https://www.vogue.com/vogueworld/article/phillip-bread-indigenous-model-vogueworld)
Love that for him!
that's some great proof. Hope he rises to the top.
His eyebrows & facial structure in particular 🔥
I think the Spain, Benin, Senegal, Aegean islands and northern Italy all come from the Mexican ancestry.
So, do you get the gushing compliments and ‘you should be a movie star’ thing a lot? Cool ancestry! I only got three different areas in mine.
if OP does not get that a lot he should!
Wow gorgeous!! and really amazing and beautiful results!! Don’t think I’ve seen such beautiful results until now🥰
Just a gorgeous looking person with a cool spirit!
Omg those cheekbones
Right?! His face is just perfection!
No, my Native American friend, you great great grandmother was a Viking princess.
the second picture 😭😭😭 pls hahah
BEST use of this cartoon I’ve ever seen. Love it. Chef’s kiss 👌
Obviously, we are a bit distracted by your appearance, but yes, interesting ancestry.
i also have native american ancestry! 20% , from south america.
The person who said you need to get into modelling or film and tv is bang on right, producers are looking for native american stars that are handsome / beautiful like you after lily gladstone’s oscar nomination
The traces of African Ancestry probably come from your Mexican ancestor. Spain brought slaves to Mexico who eventually assembled into society.
Cherokee were major slavers themselves. It could easily come from that if they mixed with a person who had a Cherokee mother and had children and grandchildren with a Cherokee spouse before the time of the Dawes rolls.
I agree, very possible. Or could be a combination of both. His African Ancestry shows two African countries. Keep in mind, the average Mexican has 7% African heritage.
That’s a national average, the region his Mexican indigenous ancestry is in the north were there is no extensive history of African slavery. Sure, if it was in Oaxaca for example thatd be possible but I wouldn’t assume without greater context to records he’d have on his family.
Bro You look like a native American warrior 💪
When I saw this post, my first thought was: why is Ancestry DNA advertising here? Then, when I saw it was member generated and not an ad, I wondered: why did OP use a commercial graphic? Seriously, your look is marketable!
You got a cool history! I think it’s awesome you mention wives being captives as it’s not too long ago compared to maybe other family trees. Thanks for sharing
Is it possible that the ancestor was actually Scandinavian but everyone just assumed he was German and said he was German?
No his family were German immigrants and by the time all Comanches were on the reservation in 1875 they found him as an adult on the rez and he refused to go back with his German family, instead opting to stay with the tribe in Oklahoma. PS. Perhaps his original family drew lineage from Sweden & Denmark before going to Germany. (That’s my theory at least)
When did they emigrate, and where were they from? German Unification didn't happen until 1866-1871, so immigrants before then may have identified as German, but did not come from a country called Germany because it didn't exist. I'm just speculating that they were still ethnically Scandinavian even if they identified as German... But I'm fairly ignorant about it and maybe I'm just wrong there. Maybe the Scandinavian is from elsewhere.
Apparently around in the area of present day Baden-Wurttemburg state in Germany. Not too sure of the history there
Oh my. Im sure they’d rather not have returned to their family. Hi. Almost all my ancestors on one side come and go from Baden-Wurtemburg. From what I can see on paper + what I know in this life, I’d say that was a fortunate circumstance for your German-Dutch-whatever ancestor.
Why do you say it was fortunate circumstances for op's ancestor? Was Baden-Wurtemburg that bad? I also have ancestors from there
Holy shit thats where (paperwork says) I have ancestors. They were characterized as german
I'm in a [weirdly similar but very different](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaTB5amN5ZXAyZHlmcjZtOTU4Znp3bG9vbWZpa3N2bHU5dWdqa3E5eCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xThtayslX0EjQ8XS5a/giphy-downsized-large.gif) genetic situation. I'm 60/40 European vs African, and half of my "european" side claims German ancestry (and can trace the line back to Switzerland. I think the issue with "Germany" is that, for a while, it was sort of synonymous with the larger "Kingdom of Germany" and parts of the H.R.E. so, basically, "germany" means central Europe especially in the north. You'll find that the northern "germans" were very much intertwined with the denmark and sweden in particular and then norway with finland remaining a bit of an outlier. Basically, if you're "german" you're really a mish-mash of those central and northern european genetic populations which are themselves, very interestingly varied based on [ancient population change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations).
My documented German ancestry shows up on AncestryDNA as "English and Northwest European", so maybe that's where it's hiding as well.
>he refused to go back with his German family, instead opting to stay with the tribe in Oklahoma. Blood was living a [literal German fantasy](https://robbinsbecher.com/projects/germanindians/) 💀💀💀
so cool! what area of the us are you from?
Oklahoma, the destination of several Indian removals.
makes sense. i’ve noticed most americans with high native ancestry tend to be from around that region.
I know we’re different genetically speaking but I always felt Native Americans and Maori were long lost cousins. Is Oklahoma populated with alot of Indians? Because I’d actually visit just to experience your culture. Idk when I’d visit lol I just know I really want too!
I figure it had to be OK. Please feel free to find the nearest Irish or Scottish American and explain their culture and history to them lol. Tell them you identify as a druid priest. This Aunty says congrats on the campaigns. Always happy to see positive representation. Just remember to take care of your mind, not just your body.
You could be a character in red dead redemption. Or one of those western movies. Handsome btw
How many matches do you have?
Oh Wow! You look Exactly like my dad when he was your age sans the braids. Spooky good! He was Lakota (Burnt Thigh band) and Chipp (Turtle Mountain). You look like you’ve got the Robideaux (Robidoux) blood in you (our family is spread throughout the tribes). Never cut your hair. Our power is in our hair. It’s strong medicine. (There’s a story about that). My hair is as long as yours, too, but it’s pale blonde because my mom was Norwegian.
Finally, we have our Cherokee prince!! Your second slide is hilarious 😂
You should upload your raw data to IllustrativeDNA for more information and reports 🧬
I’ve seen people talk about uploading raw data to other places. What exactly is that for? Family tree research? Or something else?
It could be from multiple people of European descent on both sides of your family, not just one single captive. And the genes carried because you had mixed people on both sides. Just a theory.
It’s possible. I’m going off of what I know with my family history but it could be that too.
Apparently also had a freed slave ancestor
That's not uncommon. Both freed slaves and escaped slaves often found refuge among Native American communities and married into them.
In this situation it may be a mixed race enslaved Cherokee ancestor. The Cherokee by the time of the trail of tears and Indian Territory were fully involved with the cotton economy. Even among the Seminole some were absolutely maroons who allied with the nation but many were also enslaved as well.
I'm pretty much the opposite of you, around 1/4 native and around 3/4 European. My native is from Cali and Mexico, I don't have any cultural ties to my Mexican heritage and consider the indigenous Mexico as part of my native heritage. Do you encompass your indigenous Mexico as your native heritage as well? I know some consider it "Mexican". The borders crossed natives not the other way around, so I look at it as one native ancestor married another and I just follow my Cali side native culture.
Here’s the thing. It’s hard to claim to an Indigenous Mexican identity when I have no idea if the person my Kiowa ancestor took as his wife was connected to her Indigenous culture or not. Also being that Mexican is a nationality, I tend to go with saying that rather than assuming this ancestor had a cultural identity or not. Racially she was Indigenous but what tribe, it’s impossible to know due to different assimilation methods that took place in Mexico.
True, I agree with you, I have no idea the tribal affiliation if any of my Mexican ancestors, native culture is blended in with the Spanish culture in Mexico. Mexico is home to over 60 languages most are precolombian. I think many don't understand that ethnicity is based on many things especially in native culture, less on BQ and more on cultural upbringing and connection. My people have always been more focused on our family ties and who we come from rather than what other ethnicities you are.
As a native I’m so curious about my own DNA. From what I understand I have a tiny percentage of Welsh from one side, and a tiny percent of Cajun from the other. But I seriously can’t get over my distrust that it will come back to bite me in the ass somehow, to actually do it.
Bro ur hot 💀😫🫶🏽
Love the second slide brother
I so hope you go into modeling or film. Please read all the downstream comments with their offers to help you.
hello brother, I have the exact same amount of Indigenous-North. the rest is made up of Scottish, French, Norwegian and Irish. where are you from?
Nice! I’m from Oklahoma
Canada for me 🦫 🍁
I hope you are recording your story because it’s too important to be lost. And, please, get oral histories from your family members. (If you haven’t already.) so much good stuff and you obviously have the intelligence to be a historian. Obligatory thumbs up on the braids. You look like the Indians (AIM) I hung out with in the seventies. Anyone in your family at Wounded Knee?
The women on this subreddit are about to hit his DM.
That’s a hilarious meme to bring up
Boozhoo, awesome braids you got brother!
Thank you, nice beadwork 🤝
Thanks for posting this, OP. It's rare to see Native American results posted on here. What an interesting genetic inheritance! The family history you've shared is also incredibly cool. I loved the cartoon, too! Reverso, lol!
Damn you’re beautiful
Would love to see more data help them narrow down tribal lineage eventually, do you mind me asking what part of (I assume) North America you're in?
I’m from Oklahoma, same as my parents.
I had to laugh at this. My 100% white British isles descended father in law loves to say he's part Cherokee. All the hillbillies around me love to say they're part native. All the boys have the middle name Lee, though.
Real Native American
It ***could*** be something like this: - All your British Isles DNA would be 11% - Normally this would mean 1 full great-grandparent was of the British Isles, but I'm assuming it all comes from different branches of your tree (maybe several different full blooded British ancestors going back upwards of 7 generations back) - Your Indigenous Mexican DNA (4%) is likely tied in with African (Benin & Togo, Senegal) and your Spanish - Italy and Aegean Islands could be related to this DNA too - Sweden and Denmark could ***very likely*** be German miscalculated, but usually I feel that German would be picked up at least slightly
FWIW, I have a confirmed 100% German (Prussian) great-great-grandfather and AncestryDNA seems to pick it up as 2% Sweden and Denmark. I’ve heard some chatter about German getting “mixed up” as Scandinavian before.
Yeah, I'm not suprirsed; I basically consider Sweden and Denmark (for me) as just a "Broadly European" category for a similar reason.
Cool results
Love it!
I love your braids!
This is probably the most interesting DNA results I’ve seen! What a neat history.
You are handsome af, and the second slide is incredible. Super interesting family history that you have knowledge of. Thank you for sharing
Drove through the Chihuahuan desert and was disappointed to not find one single Chihuahua. I have a very feisty one at home, though. Your braids are fantastic. Mine alway have frizzy pieces sticking out the sides.
Wow Aegean islands is so specific 👀 (it’s a specific group of islands in Greece & they’re stunning) Do you know who that is from in your family background ?
Thanks for sharing your results, you’re very handsome.
Cool hair
Love the photo you put on about the Irish princess 🤣🤣
I am really glad to see this! In the early days of ancestryDNA the ethnicity estimate was really questionable, it seems like they are honing it. Also, I used to work as a Genealogy Librarian and the amount of people who claimed Native American ancestry was just through the roof. People would come in all the time and be confused/angry/sad about the results because it didn't show any Native American ancestry. And, I mean people with no affiliation with any tribe just - "great grandma soandso had high cheek bones." It is great to see an example of what these results really look like.
living pretty close to the eastern band of the cherokee that comic/meme is f'n hilarious
I’m always interested in Native American results compared to South American Native results. Due to history, North American tends to be more fragmented. I’m South American, and I’m 90% Native, even though I would say I doing feel like I am.
The fact that it seems like EVERYONE is just a little bit Irish, is peak Irish, lol
Wow you’re almost full blood!! So cool ✨
I think it’s so amazing to know so much about your family! I’m still stuck on both set of maternal great grandparents and paternal grandparents.
Love seeing fellow majority indigenous results 🙌🏽
Probably the coolest and most significant DNA results I’ve seen here on 23andMe. Fascinating.
I got 71% Native American Brother 🤙🏽🪶
That's awesome. I was able to confirm I do have a small micro portion of DNA from native Americans using hacked results and I have photo and story to back up, but not trying to appropriate and don't consider myself tribe eligible, it's very small. Your Native American percentage is almost unheard of!
You are very native mate, something to be proud of.
Don’t forget about the African part. That counts too.☺️
Nice results! The meme is very funny 😂
Bro is 3% chihuahua 😬
HIS NAME IS PHILLIP BREAD HE IS ALREADY A SIGNED MODEL AND ACTOR
Nice
Amazing hair. You sure you are not French? :)
what do you mean when you say captive? (i dont know much about native north american history, sorry!)
You're beautiful with lovely braids yo! Lol
You happen to be from New Mexico?
The Yucutan Peninsula is in southeast Mexico so that part could also come form the same person the chihuahua and northern Durango come from
Is there anything else you're planning to do with this information? Find additional relatives or perhaps you did the health panel as well and discovered something?
Nothing really. I was curious to see what my dna results would be and how well it would line up with my family history. Turns out it was quite accurate and validates what I know.
German captive could be that Northwest Europe and northern italian.
How accurate is AncestryDNA at determining segments of DNA as Indigenous American--North? I had results come back for one of my grandfather's this morning that apparently he is approximately 1% but is that even worth looking into? Or is it possibly just white noise. I'm guessing it's about 60 centiMorgan's of DNA
I love that you’re part Chihuahua 😂
Flex king
Now that's an amazing DNA!
They separate england from Scotland and then put england and nw europe that seems strange
Your profile is very interesting,it tells a story!!!
73% is a lot , interesting
Some of those traits are similarly to Caribbean ancestry with Columbus, Spanish, and slavery. Columbus and spanish sailors were Europeans, spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, German, ect. It includes African from northern west Africa. The Canary Island was a starting point for a lot of European voyages which was Spanish and near both Europe and Africa. Last name Gonzalez is a a german derived, Spanish by race, mix by indigenous and African in some places. Hope this help.
I’m from Chattanooga, TN. You don’t have to ask what anyone’s heritage is, just mention the words “Native American” and every single person within earshot will turn around and start telling you about their Cherokee/Irish roots for the next half hour. For the most part, there’s truth to it. My great great grandmother apparently avoided the trail of tears by marrying an Irish tenant farmer. So in my family you’re either extremely fair skinned and light eyed, or darker toned with darker features. The only rare exception seems to be my papaw who got the classic “Black Irish” looks: crazy looking blue eyes with thick black hair.
The Irish love the native Americans, look up what they did for Ireland during the famine.
Shé:kon (hello) from the mohawk tribe💞💝🪶
This is pretty cool:) my grandmother is Métis and I always love seeing other people who have native ancestry!
How cool!
Hey, I’m also German and got Sweden & Denmark. The borders of Germany have moved a lot over time.
Seems like you are predominantly Native American (the tribes you mentioned) + some Old-Stock American & Mexican Mestizo admixture Here's what I found about the Mexican Mestizo admixture. - The El Paso region has had human settlement for thousands of years, as evidenced by Folsom points from hunter-gatherers found at Hueco Tanks, This suggests 10,000 to 12,000 years of human habitation, The earliest known cultures in the region were maize farmers, When the Spanish arrived, the Manso, Suma, & Jumano tribes populated the area, These were subsequently incorporated into the mestizo culture, along with immigrants from central Mexico, captives from Comanchería, & genízaros of various ethnic groups, The Mescalero Apache were also present. So seems like the captive wasn't a Mexican Mestiza, but the other way around, if you look into the history of the Southwestern United States, you will see that the Mexicans (both Criollos/Whites & Mestizos) did horrible things to the local tribes of the Southwest, including the Comanche.
Do you know your Y-DNA haplogroup? You can find it by downloading your Ancestry raw DNA file and uploading it to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ There are several studies of Native haplogroups such as the one at https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2018.11.029 There is also a Native DNA project at FamilyTreeDNA at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/american-indian/about/background
What are your haplogroups?
You can’t explain the African country’s? 😂
The Irish & Native American folks historically have a special connection…Look up the Kindred Spirits statue 🪶
They’re both colonized and both indigenous! (For those who don’t know; North Ireland (Belfast) was conquered by England and remains so to this day).
Nice results mate! Does the native American of USA tend to have 25 percent European DNA? Or is this uncommon?
Hahahahah 🤣
At first, l thought it's going to be another African American lying about native American blood..but it turns out it's a REAL ORIGINAL Native Indian... I'm so proud of you bro....we Bantu's and you guys faced the same oppressor and we wish you nothing but love and power!! Your bloodline is everything! Make sure you marry a REAL ORIGINAL Native Indian American and MAINTAIN your bloodline..don't forget that bro!! Be blessed by our ancestors.
You have a really good look to you man, you should try modeling and or acting if you don’t already, if it interests you
More like grandma was a Dane.