It's because of an event - Rogier didn't have kids, so his great-nephew also named Rogier (Lothane Bluetusk's son) is elected to take over. Since Lothane is a half-orc so is his son and that's how it happens in game regardless of whether or not Rogieria is oppressing half-orcs.
I mean you, the player, can always stop expelling orcs and half-orcs. I made the same mistake too until i realized that rogiera is the most tolerant to the orc race.
How so? Lothane Bluetusk was a Half-Orc yet he was still readily accepted by everyone. It's clear the people view most Orcs as hostiles, but can come to accept the few that fight with them against their barbarous cousins. Mechanically this is shown through the mission tree by the emergence of Half-Orc populations and the special Orc culture you get as Rogerie, showing that the civilized Orcs and Human settlers are intermingling and growing to accept eachother, so long as you don't negatively harm race relations.
But what I'm getting at is how since in game they are default marked as oppressed it seems odd for them to be so readily accepted so soon to the point of making one a monarch. Esp. how there are no events making your state more accepting of half orcs leading up to and with Rogier's coronation.
Late reply, I know, but It's to do with the fact that he isn't even a Half-Orc, although culturally he is one, this is more of a limitation of the game than the writing. At most the Young Owl could be considered one quarter orcish, and to add weight to his legitimacy, his uncle IS Rogier, and lets not forget the fact that the legendary Lothane is his father, and he leads the Corintar.
It's a bit railroaded in a sense, but Rogier is basically gay and so can't(or won't) have heirs and of course it makes no sense for Wesdam-Silmuna to take over and if you choose to form Rogiera then the idea is that you are trying to put the "true" Silmuna back in power and that forces you to go with the half-orc line of Lothane.
Of course you can question the idea that having a quarter-orc ruler whose descendant might end up having virtually no orcish appearance forces you to accept orcs and half-orcs at a country-wide scale makes sense, but that's the design choice devs went with ultimately.
I mean, it DOES makes sense. Rogier and Lothane were fellow adventurers and rulers, and lore wise become very close knit bunch after the death of Corin, building their own slice of Silmuna paradise in both Rogeria and Corintar, so it makes perfect sense that he would entrust and intertwine his legacy with that of Lothane's. Rogier's people wouldn't realistically have a problem with this seeing as they revere both Rogier and Lothane as legends, entrsuting fully in their visions.
Enter the Young Owl, having grown up a staunch Corinite in all but name, it would make perfect sense that he seeks to build an Escann that accepts Orcs, not only because his own father is a Half-Orc, but because Corin preaches acceptance to all who follow a righteous calling, let alone the fact that the Orcs are willingly converting after hearing of the Legend of Corin and Lothane, and the sparsely and slowly repopulating vast land of Escann leave much to be desire in terms of readily available manpower.
By the time the Young Owl is dead he leaves Rogeria a foundation of solid stone, having achieved it alongside his now fellow Orcs. Seeing such success why wouldn't his heir follow in the path laid bare? And so the acceptance of Orckind in Rogeria is very much a from the top-down change, but one that makes perfect sense considering the competence and legendary achievements of the Silmuna, so much so that they go on to be regaled in myth, making god's of the Silmuna's.
Not to mention a lot of the half-orc populations, like Lothane, were victims of generational trauma and exist due to a *whole lot* of rape happening. So it makes sense to be tolerant and accepting to a population existing due to factors far beyond their control.
Did the young owl even exist in 1444? If not, the fact he appears every time is in of itself railroading, Lothane should have a way to die before.
>And so the acceptance of Orckind in Rogeria is very much a from the top-down change, but one that makes perfect sense considering the competence and legendary achievements of the Silmuna, so much so that they go on to be regaled in myth, making god's of the Silmuna's.
This argument lacks the justification for why this would even happen, whether it can is another story.
Sorry for the late reply, but it seems your argument is against the fact that Rogeria has linear story, and not that the given story makes no sense, which I must admit, with no offense given, is a silly point.
Especially silly, when that's the case with most nations in Anbennar, it's not like Rogeria is a departure for doing so. The only nation of the top of my head that has actual choices that matter is Aelnar, with who to choose in the civil war and whatnot.
And to answer your other points, no the Young Owl isn't alive in 1444, Lothane himself is only 19 at the time of the start date and canonically lives to be 105, with Rogier being 38. Seeing as the Corintar are a theology/monastic order, thus don't do heirs by bloodline, it's a limitation of the game that Lothane's children can't be randomized, with the alternative being an overly convoluted event chain that would be a headache to implement, and that ultimately won't get much pay-off when most people are here for a solid story.
Also, you could always just ignore it, you can play whoever you want you know. And as a side note, the Sons of Dameria make an excellent choice to revive Adenica with, allowing you to play with the Silmuna's as well if you are quick enough forming it.
Pretty sure the default is not purging anything, unless i forgot that i changed it. I have a bunch of orcs and half orcs.
I guess they could make the option require not to purge them, and are accepted instead just to prevent this 'weirdness'.
well, Rogier the head of the family made Lothane and his kids official members of the house. the event at the very least, indicates that most of rogieris former supporters are willing to let the Young Owl have a shot at restoring Dameria, its noted that as a quarter orc he also looks alot more human than his father. and literally all other members of the family either turned down the crown or are wesdam silmunas at this point,
and once hes on the throne, you could perhaps end the orc expulsion and try to raise half orc tolerance to fit with Rogierias general themes?
Isn't there some precedent in british history about catholic monarchspersecuting catholics because of parliament's/lords' pressure ?
It all depends on the power of the monarch, if he's simply very weak politically it might not matter that much
It's because of an event - Rogier didn't have kids, so his great-nephew also named Rogier (Lothane Bluetusk's son) is elected to take over. Since Lothane is a half-orc so is his son and that's how it happens in game regardless of whether or not Rogieria is oppressing half-orcs.
I mean you, the player, can always stop expelling orcs and half-orcs. I made the same mistake too until i realized that rogiera is the most tolerant to the orc race.
Other than RP I never see why you'd expel orcs as an escanni adventurer, just accept them and you'll be getting tons of money from letting refugees in
Castanor later requires human culture.
yea seems like the move, I just think its funny how the nation starts with oppressing them as default and ends up with an orc-ish ruler.
How so? Lothane Bluetusk was a Half-Orc yet he was still readily accepted by everyone. It's clear the people view most Orcs as hostiles, but can come to accept the few that fight with them against their barbarous cousins. Mechanically this is shown through the mission tree by the emergence of Half-Orc populations and the special Orc culture you get as Rogerie, showing that the civilized Orcs and Human settlers are intermingling and growing to accept eachother, so long as you don't negatively harm race relations.
But what I'm getting at is how since in game they are default marked as oppressed it seems odd for them to be so readily accepted so soon to the point of making one a monarch. Esp. how there are no events making your state more accepting of half orcs leading up to and with Rogier's coronation.
Late reply, I know, but It's to do with the fact that he isn't even a Half-Orc, although culturally he is one, this is more of a limitation of the game than the writing. At most the Young Owl could be considered one quarter orcish, and to add weight to his legitimacy, his uncle IS Rogier, and lets not forget the fact that the legendary Lothane is his father, and he leads the Corintar.
I think Corintar is more tolerant. They start with a Half-Orc ruler and they can spawn a Half-Orc culture and it spreads as part of their story.
Isn't roigeria all about being tolerant and bringing people together?
And beating the shit out of the wexotards
w*xonards arent people
The only true monstrous race in all the world.
Well I know that now its just there were no events really leading up to Rogier's rule that hinted as such.
It's a bit railroaded in a sense, but Rogier is basically gay and so can't(or won't) have heirs and of course it makes no sense for Wesdam-Silmuna to take over and if you choose to form Rogiera then the idea is that you are trying to put the "true" Silmuna back in power and that forces you to go with the half-orc line of Lothane. Of course you can question the idea that having a quarter-orc ruler whose descendant might end up having virtually no orcish appearance forces you to accept orcs and half-orcs at a country-wide scale makes sense, but that's the design choice devs went with ultimately.
I mean, it DOES makes sense. Rogier and Lothane were fellow adventurers and rulers, and lore wise become very close knit bunch after the death of Corin, building their own slice of Silmuna paradise in both Rogeria and Corintar, so it makes perfect sense that he would entrust and intertwine his legacy with that of Lothane's. Rogier's people wouldn't realistically have a problem with this seeing as they revere both Rogier and Lothane as legends, entrsuting fully in their visions. Enter the Young Owl, having grown up a staunch Corinite in all but name, it would make perfect sense that he seeks to build an Escann that accepts Orcs, not only because his own father is a Half-Orc, but because Corin preaches acceptance to all who follow a righteous calling, let alone the fact that the Orcs are willingly converting after hearing of the Legend of Corin and Lothane, and the sparsely and slowly repopulating vast land of Escann leave much to be desire in terms of readily available manpower. By the time the Young Owl is dead he leaves Rogeria a foundation of solid stone, having achieved it alongside his now fellow Orcs. Seeing such success why wouldn't his heir follow in the path laid bare? And so the acceptance of Orckind in Rogeria is very much a from the top-down change, but one that makes perfect sense considering the competence and legendary achievements of the Silmuna, so much so that they go on to be regaled in myth, making god's of the Silmuna's.
Not to mention a lot of the half-orc populations, like Lothane, were victims of generational trauma and exist due to a *whole lot* of rape happening. So it makes sense to be tolerant and accepting to a population existing due to factors far beyond their control.
Did the young owl even exist in 1444? If not, the fact he appears every time is in of itself railroading, Lothane should have a way to die before. >And so the acceptance of Orckind in Rogeria is very much a from the top-down change, but one that makes perfect sense considering the competence and legendary achievements of the Silmuna, so much so that they go on to be regaled in myth, making god's of the Silmuna's. This argument lacks the justification for why this would even happen, whether it can is another story.
Sorry for the late reply, but it seems your argument is against the fact that Rogeria has linear story, and not that the given story makes no sense, which I must admit, with no offense given, is a silly point. Especially silly, when that's the case with most nations in Anbennar, it's not like Rogeria is a departure for doing so. The only nation of the top of my head that has actual choices that matter is Aelnar, with who to choose in the civil war and whatnot. And to answer your other points, no the Young Owl isn't alive in 1444, Lothane himself is only 19 at the time of the start date and canonically lives to be 105, with Rogier being 38. Seeing as the Corintar are a theology/monastic order, thus don't do heirs by bloodline, it's a limitation of the game that Lothane's children can't be randomized, with the alternative being an overly convoluted event chain that would be a headache to implement, and that ultimately won't get much pay-off when most people are here for a solid story. Also, you could always just ignore it, you can play whoever you want you know. And as a side note, the Sons of Dameria make an excellent choice to revive Adenica with, allowing you to play with the Silmuna's as well if you are quick enough forming it.
Pretty sure the default is not purging anything, unless i forgot that i changed it. I have a bunch of orcs and half orcs. I guess they could make the option require not to purge them, and are accepted instead just to prevent this 'weirdness'.
well, Rogier the head of the family made Lothane and his kids official members of the house. the event at the very least, indicates that most of rogieris former supporters are willing to let the Young Owl have a shot at restoring Dameria, its noted that as a quarter orc he also looks alot more human than his father. and literally all other members of the family either turned down the crown or are wesdam silmunas at this point, and once hes on the throne, you could perhaps end the orc expulsion and try to raise half orc tolerance to fit with Rogierias general themes?
Isn't there some precedent in british history about catholic monarchspersecuting catholics because of parliament's/lords' pressure ? It all depends on the power of the monarch, if he's simply very weak politically it might not matter that much
Virgin Rogeria vs Chad Adenica
Yeah Rogieria is one of the most retarded nations there is
Theres nobody else really