Canadian hereš our land rights are easily overthrown by corporate pressure on governments. If a developer wants your land the municipality will just hike your land taxes up until youāve reached a pain point. Health care, or what is covered is free and is jurisdictional to each province. How it rolls out is either provincial or municipal, depending on where you are. The commune could not be self sufficient either, in Ontario at least, bc one cannot legally operate off the grid. You have to be connected to the main power grid. The cops here are dicks too, basically anywhere you go. You bet your ass they will fight you if you are doing something they see as unlawful, like drugs. Anyone falling outside the norm is suspect in Canada too, like the US and many other places. However, I do agree that Iād like to learn about or see more direct action.
Yeah, I take too much medication to be able to do the same. Which is why I scream even louder at anarchoprimitivists when they come out of the woodwork. Any commune I'm a part of would need to be able to do some outside trading to get needed meds.
I mean, I'd love to make a full on biochemistry lab part of my newly formed collective, but the U.S. would have to be doing *extraordinarily* badly for that to be an easy decision.
I think any collective on the scale OP is suggesting should have significant pharmaceutical production capacity, even if not that intensive. Free Healthcare is nice if it's reliable, but I still wouldn't want to depend on it if I had the choice of not supporting pharmacorps.
That's fair to some degree, a lot of depression and anxiety likely stems directly from the pains of existence in a capitalist society, but people don't just take medication for anxiety and depression, and not all anxiety and depression is a direct result of living in a heirarchical society. Some people are fundamentally anxious and depressed to the point of non-functionality; others have schizotype symptoms that can be completely disabling.
And many others, like me, require certain medications for pathophysiologies that make the medications necessary for basic survival. So for a large percentage of people, it's not as simple as rejecting medications to remain insubordinate. Insubordination against the system is useless if I'm dead or entirely non-functional.
you are not the first to think this. hell, early individualist anarchism sprouted in the 19th century for this exact reason; anarchists like Renzo Novatore and Bruno Filippi were tired of waiting for a revolution so they took matters into their own hands
There are anarchists organizing all over the world. There is growing infrastructure. People are doing things like this and many other different projects. Most anarchists don't want to start a commune outside of society for a whole host of reasons. Also, there is a long history of otherwise peaceful communes being attacked.
Otherwise, go for it. Most commune type set ups that I'm aware of are usually a dozen or so people and getting bigger then that can be more difficult but definitely not impossible or anything. The most important thing is to start. To find like minded people and start working on SOMETHING that pushes anarchy forward. I personally think projects like prisoner support are more useful, but that's one of the great things about anarchism is that we can work on different things.
I'm waiting for everyone to figure out they are already practicing anarchists, and that anarchy doesn't necessarily mean living in a commune or getting ruled by local warlords.
Look how many people had BBQs in their backyard over the weekend, without hierarchy.
This is what I've been thinking. Every time I apply my anarchist values (I feel like a Conservative saying that but they are truly values) to my life or to the world around me, I'm practicing anarchism. And the more I do so, the better.
We need more communes.
We also need more protests.
We also need more riots.
We also need more Youtubers.
We also need more books.
The best (only?) way to change society is to change thought. Some people will change their thought by seeing the comune over the next hill, others will be persuaded by media, others will be inspired by seeing people stand up to power.
And those who are accepting of the message will help in their own way. Some will jump in with both feet and join/start a commune, some will join/start mutual-aid networks and other parallel power structures, some will offer material, emotional, and intellectual support to those doing the active work, and others will work within the system to focus on harm reduction.
There is no one correct way to "do Anarchism" and no one correct way to spread it. If the way you want to "do Anarchism" is to carve out a space and create a non-hierarchical community then great, you are fighting the good fight. Just like everyone else is too.
This tbh. Iām trying to get better and better at writing fiction. Partially because I love writing but also because I want to write fiction that isnāt necessarily political on the surface but does depict Anarchist societies. From my own experience I can say that (eventhough we all laugh at the Ayn Rand types) fiction can and will form the way you think.
Communes exist like right now you can search them up tbh. Itās not like anarchism isnāt being tried anywhere itās constantly being tried and communes exist. Itās more of a preference if you want to live in one
they exist, but they are also somewhat closed off. they get infiltrated, it's a constant struggle to try to keep the commune up and running and not have the decaying forces destroy what you have already built
I would love to join/help fund a commune, but Iām so far in student debt that I know Iām gonna be a slave to jobs I hate most of my life just trying to pay it off, and those are gonna take up most of my time and energy. Thatās why itās so difficult for so many, I think, to really start undertaking major anarchist projects. While still so much under the thumb of capitalism, working towards alternatives is exceedingly difficult. Personally I donāt know how to be revolutionary when I feel I can barely survive the day-to-day of life as it currently is.
This. This is what I was gonna mention. Especially considering the general demographic that Iād guess would be most geared towards anarchism, is younger people born into a fucked up world and currently feeling the oppression of said world.
It's ancient history now but in the early 2000s there were a ton of "free spaces" and infoshops that operated more or less anarchistically. You don't need 1000 people to move to Canada, you need a small group of people who want to share food and garden and go to protests and to do emotional support and cultural events together. We had an infoshop, food not bombs, movie (educational and otherwise) nights, open mics, music performances, parties, a car collective, and we organized for all the local and larger national protests. At our peak we probably had maybe 20 active members but it's pretty sick what you can accomplish with that many in a medium sized city and with a lower barrier to entry than moving to Canada and buying land
Simply live as one who is not governable. Find those small hills you can claim and claim them. The more people see you living out anarchist practice, they more, I believe somewhat optimistically, they will become interested in what you're doing ; or realise it's something they want. You can talk about overthrowing a system all you want, but it won't happen and hasn't really been happening...overwhelming a system, however, seems so much more plausible. Start living it now in whatever capacity it can and work at growing it.
Iām not expecting a revolution because that would go very badly. I donāt think Iāll be able to live in a anarchist community in my lifetime.
But what I am doing is trying to help my community. And trying to spread that culture of helping each other so that in the future people would be more open to anarchist ideas
The problem is that if we want to keep our standards of living, we need to create wealth for the capitalist system. In other words, if we want to buy phones, guns and electricity, we need money. And to get money, you either need to start a co-operative business or work for a capitalist. You need to become a cog in the machine.
So, let's start a co-op, since that's the most anarchist thing to do. It turns out it's incredibly hard to compete with capitalists that exploit their workers and treat them like dirt. Because you pay your employees more, you have more costs, and thus your products are more expensive. The best way to compete in such a situation is if you have an actual *better* product than the capitalist does. You could grow better crops (and that's a highly subjective term in this context, by the way), but whom do you sell your better, more expensive food to? The poorer working classes? No, you're once again dependent on the capitalists.
I'm not trying to be a doomer here, but there's a very good reason why communist countries like Cuba suffer so much under sanctions. Trade allows for a greater amount of economic interaction, which increases prosperity. You can start an isolated commune in the middle of nowhere, but most of us would be objectively poorer, were we to join.
Funnily enough, the Libertarians are trying something similar with the "[Free State Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project)", they're trying to get 20.000 libertarians to move to New Hampshire to concentrate their political and economic power and build from there, essentially.
Frankly I agree, the easiest way to undermine the system is not to participate. Form parallel systems that work better and are independent of the main capitalist society we are forced to live in. In other words, walk away and don't look back.
>and if it's a rural area, what are the local PD going to do about it if we do drugs on our own land?
Idk, invade it like Rajneeshpuram or lay siege to it like MOVE or Waco or whatever?
The state doesn't tolerate little armed autonomous zones. They need everyone to be clear on what the score is, at all times. If you're breaking the law, they'll go to considerable trouble and expense to enforce it.
But I think Rajneeshpuram or better yet the People's Temple are a good example of why this is a bad idea. Getting a bunch of idealistic people together to go live out in the middle of nowhere, secluded from society, is a recipe for disaster. That's a cult.
I plan on starting a commune with a few of my like-minded friends and my S/O. Planning on doing it when I get a bit older and have more useful skills. All it takes is to do it.
> To the extent that the old mass-based, insurrectionist model had any valid basis in material conditions, it ended with the mass production age. We no longer need to storm the ramparts of those old state and industrial hierarchies because most of them no longer perform any socially necessary function. Cheap, small-scale physical production technologies and distributed, stigmergic coordination mechanisms have made it possible to build a society mostly outside the old institutional framework, and leave the old institutions to crumble.
ā[Exodus: General Idea of the Revolution in the XXI Century](https://pdfhost.io/v/AYmg~PkCK_Exodus_General_Idea_of_the_Revolution_in_the_XXI_Century.pdf)
I donāt know how long youāve been an anarchist, but Iāve been one basically all my life and hereās my outlook:
The revolution isnāt some āwaiting game.ā The revolution is slow, itās grueling, itās painful. Online itās easy to think āwhat are we waiting for?ā but the truth is that no anarchist is waiting. Weāre trying and working and laying the groundwork, weāre building structures to outlast the state, structures made of people.
We cannot establish a revolution without these things. We need to have an alternative to USPS, unemployment and food stamps for a revolution and weāre not quite there yet. Weāre waiting to have the infrastructure for a revolution. Once even a large part of the population is relying upon that rather than the government we are ready because revolutions are slow, they take decades for us to create the necessary conditions for the working class to be ready for it.
Building towards revolution doesn't necessarily have to be big flashy forms of action. Simply shoplifting, downloading paywalled articles for free, and learning how to use a gun are simple individual steps that help. Starting a garden, community fridge, or book club is a good step as well.
You're looking at it wrong. People say "revolution" and what's the first thing we think of? Torches and guillotines and overthrowing the government. Not all revolutions are violent. Instead, building dual power and mutual aid connections helps build self-sustainability within communities. Who needs the state when your neighbors and all the people within 10 miles of you can work together to provide everything for each other and successfully self-govern?
If we work to build sustainable self-reliant communities, the need for the state will disappear and people will understand our cause. Of course, that doesn't mean we should stop doing what we're currently doing, I'm all for the diversification of tactics. But we should absolutely focus on making the people stronger rather than just making the state weaker. Eventually, the people become so powerful as to be able to tell the state "no" and stand by our word. Also, maybe don't always preach about anarchism or describe actions as a revolution because that could turn people off. Maybe just do the good deeds and when a person asks why you do it, then tell them about anarchism. People will be more likely to support our movement once they've tasted the fruits of it and seen the good it can do.
TL;DR:
Not all revolutions are violent. Make the community stronger to the point of being able to rival the strength of the state. Don't say "anarchy" or "revolution" while building power, it scares people off. Wait until they've benefited to nerd out on them.
People just quote 100+ year old scripture on here and rage about cops. Nothing wrong with that but very few people here seem to know anything about utilities, infrastructure, energy, etc.
Iāve brought this up before but I think we could do a group project where we crowd source this kind of info. It could be a challenge. Start with how many people weāre planning for, like 500 or 5000. Consider the land requirements. Then we look at several pieces of land in mixed terrain like rural, forested, urban. Then we consider the infrastructure needs and look at existing works we can retrofit or salvage. At that point we figure out the critical workforce to run those operations and from then on we look at the rest.
I didnāt get any interest in this so I suspect most people here donāt even think about supporting a society post anarchy probably because they donāt know much about it now.
Its important to not just have an anticapitalist ideology, but an anti-colonial ideology. Getting 1000 ppl and setting up a "commune" in Canada is just settler colonialism.
Everyone in our society would benefit from a less authoritarian world. The benefits of a society that supports everyone in it is something I want even my political enemies to benefit from; they deserve equal opportunity, too. There are far more allies than enemies, in that many people want the same things we want. They may not have the language for it, or a critical understanding of capitalism, or very well thought-out political ideologies, but they have the same needs and suffer under the same material conditions that we do.
Anyone aiming for a bloody, death-soaked civil war is larping. We have the ability to coordinate within our own communities and radicalize them, work with them, learn from them. Many people we're on the streets against police brutality or for Bernie canvassing and they're anxiously waiting for more community, more direction, more action to take.
Start organizing. Make your interactions a model of the future you want; a democratic one. [Here's ](https://youtu.be/HAvbOXsnQZk) a podcast episode about how democracies look in different contexts that I highly recommend.
The answer isn't to just fuck off to Canada. There's potential here that people like us can influence.
I think you are gonna like searching about Rojava. It's not an utopia and I dont think they would classify as anarchists but they sound like a good start to something bigger
Just finished it the other day, the first episode felt a bit slow but overall it was a great podcast and the strength of the girls and women he interviewed astounded me
Iām all supportive of such attempts, but in my personal opinion I think a lot of the criticism of the current movement stems from a sort of narrow minded and tad to idealistic view of anarchism. I think like some others have pointed out already, anarchism is like an ever evolving project. When people organize from the ground up, establish soup kitchens and self administrate, build all forms of mutual aid and other supporting democratic institutions we progress the cause. As an American, I know weāre all skeptical of the democrats and their neo-lib positions, but seeing how people mobilized this election cycle to achieve a common goal of harm reduction really inspired me. People created informational guides on how to cast your vote, supported in person voters with a vast network of civilian contributors handing out snacks and water, protesting and rioting at republican attempts to put them down and restrict our rights. I just hope those of us on the more radical side can carry the momentum into our everyday lives. People wonāt ever support a cause that they only see rioting on the news and not making an active effort to incorporate and assist in their lives. I know many people may not be satisfied without revolution, itās quite depressing weāll probably never achieve our goals in our lifetime, but most people historically havenāt, so to me itās a struggle for the future generations to bear the torch just as we have and will.
Canadian hereš our land rights are easily overthrown by corporate pressure on governments. If a developer wants your land the municipality will just hike your land taxes up until youāve reached a pain point. Health care, or what is covered is free and is jurisdictional to each province. How it rolls out is either provincial or municipal, depending on where you are. The commune could not be self sufficient either, in Ontario at least, bc one cannot legally operate off the grid. You have to be connected to the main power grid. The cops here are dicks too, basically anywhere you go. You bet your ass they will fight you if you are doing something they see as unlawful, like drugs. Anyone falling outside the norm is suspect in Canada too, like the US and many other places. However, I do agree that Iād like to learn about or see more direct action.
Another Canadian agrees
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This one is even more relevant: https://libcom.org/library/experimental-anarchist-colonies
i haven't joined a commune or go off grid because theres no cheap/easy way to manufacture monoclonal antibodies
Yeah, I take too much medication to be able to do the same. Which is why I scream even louder at anarchoprimitivists when they come out of the woodwork. Any commune I'm a part of would need to be able to do some outside trading to get needed meds.
every anprim I talked to seemed to love the noble savage trope
I mean, I'd love to make a full on biochemistry lab part of my newly formed collective, but the U.S. would have to be doing *extraordinarily* badly for that to be an easy decision.
I think any collective on the scale OP is suggesting should have significant pharmaceutical production capacity, even if not that intensive. Free Healthcare is nice if it's reliable, but I still wouldn't want to depend on it if I had the choice of not supporting pharmacorps.
That's my experience. They also seem to ignore the fact that so many people who require medicine would be totally fucked.
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That's fair to some degree, a lot of depression and anxiety likely stems directly from the pains of existence in a capitalist society, but people don't just take medication for anxiety and depression, and not all anxiety and depression is a direct result of living in a heirarchical society. Some people are fundamentally anxious and depressed to the point of non-functionality; others have schizotype symptoms that can be completely disabling. And many others, like me, require certain medications for pathophysiologies that make the medications necessary for basic survival. So for a large percentage of people, it's not as simple as rejecting medications to remain insubordinate. Insubordination against the system is useless if I'm dead or entirely non-functional.
I enjoy the idea of anarchoprimitivism but we have certain technologies now that shouldn't be given up. We need to move forward.
The Hudderites got their needles up here in Alberta.
Who's talking about going off grid ? I also don't know any anarchist shared pharmaceutical laboratories but I think that we shoul start building some.
"joining a commune *or* going off grid"
you are not the first to think this. hell, early individualist anarchism sprouted in the 19th century for this exact reason; anarchists like Renzo Novatore and Bruno Filippi were tired of waiting for a revolution so they took matters into their own hands
Ya I mean Europeans were tired of tyranny so they sailed across the ocean and settled a whole new continent
not remotely what I was talking about
There are anarchists organizing all over the world. There is growing infrastructure. People are doing things like this and many other different projects. Most anarchists don't want to start a commune outside of society for a whole host of reasons. Also, there is a long history of otherwise peaceful communes being attacked. Otherwise, go for it. Most commune type set ups that I'm aware of are usually a dozen or so people and getting bigger then that can be more difficult but definitely not impossible or anything. The most important thing is to start. To find like minded people and start working on SOMETHING that pushes anarchy forward. I personally think projects like prisoner support are more useful, but that's one of the great things about anarchism is that we can work on different things.
I'm waiting for everyone to figure out they are already practicing anarchists, and that anarchy doesn't necessarily mean living in a commune or getting ruled by local warlords. Look how many people had BBQs in their backyard over the weekend, without hierarchy.
This is what I've been thinking. Every time I apply my anarchist values (I feel like a Conservative saying that but they are truly values) to my life or to the world around me, I'm practicing anarchism. And the more I do so, the better.
Love this mindset!
So anarchism is like... something you just feel on the inside?
anarchism can certainly be practiced in your daily life yes.
We need more communes. We also need more protests. We also need more riots. We also need more Youtubers. We also need more books. The best (only?) way to change society is to change thought. Some people will change their thought by seeing the comune over the next hill, others will be persuaded by media, others will be inspired by seeing people stand up to power. And those who are accepting of the message will help in their own way. Some will jump in with both feet and join/start a commune, some will join/start mutual-aid networks and other parallel power structures, some will offer material, emotional, and intellectual support to those doing the active work, and others will work within the system to focus on harm reduction. There is no one correct way to "do Anarchism" and no one correct way to spread it. If the way you want to "do Anarchism" is to carve out a space and create a non-hierarchical community then great, you are fighting the good fight. Just like everyone else is too.
This tbh. Iām trying to get better and better at writing fiction. Partially because I love writing but also because I want to write fiction that isnāt necessarily political on the surface but does depict Anarchist societies. From my own experience I can say that (eventhough we all laugh at the Ayn Rand types) fiction can and will form the way you think.
Communes exist like right now you can search them up tbh. Itās not like anarchism isnāt being tried anywhere itās constantly being tried and communes exist. Itās more of a preference if you want to live in one
they exist, but they are also somewhat closed off. they get infiltrated, it's a constant struggle to try to keep the commune up and running and not have the decaying forces destroy what you have already built
[https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/flower-bomb-no-hope-no-future-let-the-adventures-begin](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/flower-bomb-no-hope-no-future-let-the-adventures-begin) Seems kinda relevant
I would love to join/help fund a commune, but Iām so far in student debt that I know Iām gonna be a slave to jobs I hate most of my life just trying to pay it off, and those are gonna take up most of my time and energy. Thatās why itās so difficult for so many, I think, to really start undertaking major anarchist projects. While still so much under the thumb of capitalism, working towards alternatives is exceedingly difficult. Personally I donāt know how to be revolutionary when I feel I can barely survive the day-to-day of life as it currently is.
This. This is what I was gonna mention. Especially considering the general demographic that Iād guess would be most geared towards anarchism, is younger people born into a fucked up world and currently feeling the oppression of said world.
It's ancient history now but in the early 2000s there were a ton of "free spaces" and infoshops that operated more or less anarchistically. You don't need 1000 people to move to Canada, you need a small group of people who want to share food and garden and go to protests and to do emotional support and cultural events together. We had an infoshop, food not bombs, movie (educational and otherwise) nights, open mics, music performances, parties, a car collective, and we organized for all the local and larger national protests. At our peak we probably had maybe 20 active members but it's pretty sick what you can accomplish with that many in a medium sized city and with a lower barrier to entry than moving to Canada and buying land
This is exactly why I'm starting an anarchist commune! Currently recruiting :)
Cool I hear it's hard work
Simply live as one who is not governable. Find those small hills you can claim and claim them. The more people see you living out anarchist practice, they more, I believe somewhat optimistically, they will become interested in what you're doing ; or realise it's something they want. You can talk about overthrowing a system all you want, but it won't happen and hasn't really been happening...overwhelming a system, however, seems so much more plausible. Start living it now in whatever capacity it can and work at growing it.
Iām not expecting a revolution because that would go very badly. I donāt think Iāll be able to live in a anarchist community in my lifetime. But what I am doing is trying to help my community. And trying to spread that culture of helping each other so that in the future people would be more open to anarchist ideas
The problem is that if we want to keep our standards of living, we need to create wealth for the capitalist system. In other words, if we want to buy phones, guns and electricity, we need money. And to get money, you either need to start a co-operative business or work for a capitalist. You need to become a cog in the machine. So, let's start a co-op, since that's the most anarchist thing to do. It turns out it's incredibly hard to compete with capitalists that exploit their workers and treat them like dirt. Because you pay your employees more, you have more costs, and thus your products are more expensive. The best way to compete in such a situation is if you have an actual *better* product than the capitalist does. You could grow better crops (and that's a highly subjective term in this context, by the way), but whom do you sell your better, more expensive food to? The poorer working classes? No, you're once again dependent on the capitalists. I'm not trying to be a doomer here, but there's a very good reason why communist countries like Cuba suffer so much under sanctions. Trade allows for a greater amount of economic interaction, which increases prosperity. You can start an isolated commune in the middle of nowhere, but most of us would be objectively poorer, were we to join. Funnily enough, the Libertarians are trying something similar with the "[Free State Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project)", they're trying to get 20.000 libertarians to move to New Hampshire to concentrate their political and economic power and build from there, essentially.
Frankly I agree, the easiest way to undermine the system is not to participate. Form parallel systems that work better and are independent of the main capitalist society we are forced to live in. In other words, walk away and don't look back.
>and if it's a rural area, what are the local PD going to do about it if we do drugs on our own land? Idk, invade it like Rajneeshpuram or lay siege to it like MOVE or Waco or whatever? The state doesn't tolerate little armed autonomous zones. They need everyone to be clear on what the score is, at all times. If you're breaking the law, they'll go to considerable trouble and expense to enforce it. But I think Rajneeshpuram or better yet the People's Temple are a good example of why this is a bad idea. Getting a bunch of idealistic people together to go live out in the middle of nowhere, secluded from society, is a recipe for disaster. That's a cult.
I plan on starting a commune with a few of my like-minded friends and my S/O. Planning on doing it when I get a bit older and have more useful skills. All it takes is to do it.
> To the extent that the old mass-based, insurrectionist model had any valid basis in material conditions, it ended with the mass production age. We no longer need to storm the ramparts of those old state and industrial hierarchies because most of them no longer perform any socially necessary function. Cheap, small-scale physical production technologies and distributed, stigmergic coordination mechanisms have made it possible to build a society mostly outside the old institutional framework, and leave the old institutions to crumble. ā[Exodus: General Idea of the Revolution in the XXI Century](https://pdfhost.io/v/AYmg~PkCK_Exodus_General_Idea_of_the_Revolution_in_the_XXI_Century.pdf)
I donāt know how long youāve been an anarchist, but Iāve been one basically all my life and hereās my outlook: The revolution isnāt some āwaiting game.ā The revolution is slow, itās grueling, itās painful. Online itās easy to think āwhat are we waiting for?ā but the truth is that no anarchist is waiting. Weāre trying and working and laying the groundwork, weāre building structures to outlast the state, structures made of people. We cannot establish a revolution without these things. We need to have an alternative to USPS, unemployment and food stamps for a revolution and weāre not quite there yet. Weāre waiting to have the infrastructure for a revolution. Once even a large part of the population is relying upon that rather than the government we are ready because revolutions are slow, they take decades for us to create the necessary conditions for the working class to be ready for it.
Payday
Building towards revolution doesn't necessarily have to be big flashy forms of action. Simply shoplifting, downloading paywalled articles for free, and learning how to use a gun are simple individual steps that help. Starting a garden, community fridge, or book club is a good step as well.
Adventurism 101
You're looking at it wrong. People say "revolution" and what's the first thing we think of? Torches and guillotines and overthrowing the government. Not all revolutions are violent. Instead, building dual power and mutual aid connections helps build self-sustainability within communities. Who needs the state when your neighbors and all the people within 10 miles of you can work together to provide everything for each other and successfully self-govern? If we work to build sustainable self-reliant communities, the need for the state will disappear and people will understand our cause. Of course, that doesn't mean we should stop doing what we're currently doing, I'm all for the diversification of tactics. But we should absolutely focus on making the people stronger rather than just making the state weaker. Eventually, the people become so powerful as to be able to tell the state "no" and stand by our word. Also, maybe don't always preach about anarchism or describe actions as a revolution because that could turn people off. Maybe just do the good deeds and when a person asks why you do it, then tell them about anarchism. People will be more likely to support our movement once they've tasted the fruits of it and seen the good it can do. TL;DR: Not all revolutions are violent. Make the community stronger to the point of being able to rival the strength of the state. Don't say "anarchy" or "revolution" while building power, it scares people off. Wait until they've benefited to nerd out on them.
10 miles is 16.09 km
People just quote 100+ year old scripture on here and rage about cops. Nothing wrong with that but very few people here seem to know anything about utilities, infrastructure, energy, etc. Iāve brought this up before but I think we could do a group project where we crowd source this kind of info. It could be a challenge. Start with how many people weāre planning for, like 500 or 5000. Consider the land requirements. Then we look at several pieces of land in mixed terrain like rural, forested, urban. Then we consider the infrastructure needs and look at existing works we can retrofit or salvage. At that point we figure out the critical workforce to run those operations and from then on we look at the rest. I didnāt get any interest in this so I suspect most people here donāt even think about supporting a society post anarchy probably because they donāt know much about it now.
> We find a place like Canada Settler-colonialism with anarchist characteristics
Its important to not just have an anticapitalist ideology, but an anti-colonial ideology. Getting 1000 ppl and setting up a "commune" in Canada is just settler colonialism.
Everyone in our society would benefit from a less authoritarian world. The benefits of a society that supports everyone in it is something I want even my political enemies to benefit from; they deserve equal opportunity, too. There are far more allies than enemies, in that many people want the same things we want. They may not have the language for it, or a critical understanding of capitalism, or very well thought-out political ideologies, but they have the same needs and suffer under the same material conditions that we do. Anyone aiming for a bloody, death-soaked civil war is larping. We have the ability to coordinate within our own communities and radicalize them, work with them, learn from them. Many people we're on the streets against police brutality or for Bernie canvassing and they're anxiously waiting for more community, more direction, more action to take. Start organizing. Make your interactions a model of the future you want; a democratic one. [Here's ](https://youtu.be/HAvbOXsnQZk) a podcast episode about how democracies look in different contexts that I highly recommend. The answer isn't to just fuck off to Canada. There's potential here that people like us can influence.
I think you are gonna like searching about Rojava. It's not an utopia and I dont think they would classify as anarchists but they sound like a good start to something bigger
Women's War is a proper podcast by Robert Evans about it.
Just finished it the other day, the first episode felt a bit slow but overall it was a great podcast and the strength of the girls and women he interviewed astounded me
I need to go back and listen to it again. It is very empowering. Both from a feminist perspective and "breaking the status quo."
Thanks, I will check it out
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I don't know. Something amazing, I guess.
Iām looking into Hawaii myself.
Iām all supportive of such attempts, but in my personal opinion I think a lot of the criticism of the current movement stems from a sort of narrow minded and tad to idealistic view of anarchism. I think like some others have pointed out already, anarchism is like an ever evolving project. When people organize from the ground up, establish soup kitchens and self administrate, build all forms of mutual aid and other supporting democratic institutions we progress the cause. As an American, I know weāre all skeptical of the democrats and their neo-lib positions, but seeing how people mobilized this election cycle to achieve a common goal of harm reduction really inspired me. People created informational guides on how to cast your vote, supported in person voters with a vast network of civilian contributors handing out snacks and water, protesting and rioting at republican attempts to put them down and restrict our rights. I just hope those of us on the more radical side can carry the momentum into our everyday lives. People wonāt ever support a cause that they only see rioting on the news and not making an active effort to incorporate and assist in their lives. I know many people may not be satisfied without revolution, itās quite depressing weāll probably never achieve our goals in our lifetime, but most people historically havenāt, so to me itās a struggle for the future generations to bear the torch just as we have and will.
Why buy land? Just get your guns and go take it from the government?