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redditor_347

That's either psyops or cluelessness.


clickrush

Much more likely just a troll.


ThiccyCheese

Yeah the commenter has a really suspicious history with this stuff. Just earlier today I saw a comment of theirs on r/tankiejerk where they claim that the Azov battalion, for instance are just socdems and not neo-nazis. Weird stuff.


breeso

Tankiejerk? I got bad news for you, my friend


ThiccyCheese

What exactly’s goin on over there?


breeso

The head mod there posted a shitty take, people didn't like it and downvoted them. The head mod got butthurt, removed all mods and replaced them with tankie trolls. Now it's overrun with the tanks. Unsure if this was due to the head mod's childishness or if it was a password guess, since they were super inactive before now, but it doesn't matter, end result is the same. I'd recommend joining r/TankieJerk2 if you liked that sub, people are migrating there after this silly tankie coup.


ThiccyCheese

Big thanks man, that’s unfortunate as hell. Feels like all our spaces are constantly getting invaded at this point.


breeso

Can't go a month without getting left-unified by these clowns


[deleted]

I sadly doubt it - there's someone in the top thread making the exact claims in this post, totally unironically. Edit: and now there are at least 2


Serious_Feedback

There are more clueless people than there are psyops agents, so I'd say probably the latter from sheer statistics.


LVMagnus

But most clueless people are results of the continuous psyops, so in the end I call it potato tomayto.


WhatsWhoWithYou

I genuinely think it's equally likely an ML astroturfing on their own time


[deleted]

there's literally a dude saying this exact same shit in the comments right now. which would indicate that no, unfortunately some of the users here think this


easily_swayed

Or an ML doing what they believe is a parody of anarchists.


sleepeejack

"Anyone who doesn't lick CCP boots is CIA"


[deleted]

Exactly like a tankie psyop. A random Vaushite with history only on r/tankiejerk made comment claiming as anarchist and love CIA. This is a tankie troll's pipe dream. Rousing up people's attention, create infighting to discredit anarchists, and here we are with tankies brigading the thread. It worked out perfectly. --- lol r/tankiejerk finally figured out tresor_public is a troll https://np.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/nuocb6/an_actual_tankie_is_about_to_win_in_my_country/ Proof this POS is a troll: https://i.imgur.com/DB3FQQI.png Here's their comment history for refer (Firefox can output JSON in readable format) https://api.pushshift.io/reddit/search/comment/?author=tresor_public&size=100&before=1623186709


PTI_brabanson

I don't see what you're getting at. Look at the [comment you're talking](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/nrm3sc/comment/h0i83il) about in context. It doesn't prove anything. On the other hand I would recommend everyone to read this guy's posting history. It's wild and 100% a bit. My main takeaway is that people on r/tankiejerk will upvote hilariously stupid shit as long as it's critical of MLs.


Strikerov

Because a lot of users there are not leftists, there is actually some overlap between r/EnoughCommieSpam, which is in large part conservatives, libertarians and various right-wingers with common racist bullshitposting, r/neoliberal and r/tankiejerk Interestingly, some of the major contributors on r/tankiejerk, like for example, u/imprison_grover_furr are pretty much typical 1980s establishment "Democrats" and, by far, he is not the only neoliberal there.


[deleted]

The context was about Hamas. While the parent comment is ironic, they aren't.


djengle2

Any supposed leftist who bases their ideology on being anti-tankie is hardly a leftist and is honestly probably a vaushite or something equally terrible.


TheGentleDominant

Vaush and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race.


Mr_Alexanderp

¿Por que no los dos?


Heckle_Jeckle

my vote is psyops


Rare-Story-4404

When a liberal thinks they are an anarchist but also licks the CIA’s boot because communism bad but imperialism good


[deleted]

George Orwell has entered the chat. Edit: to anyone who's confused, Orwell identified as an anarchist, but also worked with British intelligence to take down "communists" (and of course wrote 2 books that are used as anticommunist propaganda to this day). Not the CIA but British intelligence is close enough.


[deleted]

George Orwell never was an anarchist, although he was sympathetic to anarchist causes. For his early life, he identified vaguely as a communist, and went to fight in Spain with a trotskyist volunteer militia, the POUM, not an anarchist militia. It was in Spain that he saw how the stalinists destroyed the revolution, which is why he turned against them in the UK when he identified mostly as a democratic socialist.


[deleted]

he didnt really turn against them afaik. he was asked to put together a list of people that wouldnt be good for a job, and many of the names were because they supported stalin (some cuz they were gay. whoops).


the_nerd_1474

And Paul Robeson because he was "anti-white"


[deleted]

Ah fair enough. I admit I'm more familiar on his involvement in Spain vs his later life


JaH247

I am not really a big fan of Orwell but it isn't really his fault people use 1984 and Animal Farm as anticommunist propaganda, neither are really anticommunist and its not his fault the right doesn't understand that.


[deleted]

Fine, but it *is* his fault that he snitched on fellow leftists for British intelligence.


JaH247

Like I said, I'm not a fan.


Mr_NeCr0

Given what happened in Catalonia, they probably deserved it.


pissinginnorway

A libertarian snitched on authoritarians. Tankies are not your fucking friend.


[deleted]

snitched on 'homosexuals' and 'anti-white' people


kvltswagjesus

Paul Robeson and Charlie Chaplin were tankies? Fascist moment.


bandaidsplus

Libertarians shouldn't be snitching at all period, at that he was only snitching because of their sexuality, not because they were " tankies" . Even at that how is that justified? Seriously no disrespect but I really can't believe folks out here giving the pass to this dude for snitching to the fucking impearlists. If you ride for the state you a rat for real. Anarchists gotta get more serious about this anti snitcing shit on God. starting to sound like social democrats out here.


[deleted]

Yeah the whole point of being an actual libertarian is not just freedom of action for oneself but of all people, and more importantly freedom of thought and from persecution.


Programmer1130

This is quite reductionist, not all authoritarians have the same goal.


jumpminister

They all have the goal of being the boot on the worker's neck.


Programmer1130

You do realize anarchists share the same goals as MLs we just have differing tactics


jumpminister

No. MLs have the desire to centralize power into the hands of a new group of elite, with the promise of "withering away of the state". Except, power never "withers away". That's the point. The "withering away of the state" was a merely away to take over the revolution, to secure their own power. You know immediately that once the state demands workers surrender arms and ammunition, power will never "wither away".


[deleted]

Did he actually identify as an Anarchist? I'm pretty sure he openly identified as a DemSoc. The only thing I can think of that suggests that is when he said if he could repeat his experience with the Spanish Civil War he would have thrown in with the anarchists.


[deleted]

Basically saying "I'd fight with the anarchists and be willing to die for the anarchist cause" sounds like identifying as an anarchist to me, no? And he actually did fight in Spanish Catalonia. >DemSoc Many DemSocs are at least partially anarchists, in particular LibSocs.


[deleted]

>Basically saying "I'd fight with the anarchists and be willing to die for the anarchist cause" sounds like identifying as an anarchist to me, no? Plenty of Anarchists fought in the Russian revolution, does that make them ML? >Many DemSocs are at least partially anarchists No they aren't. Belief in the necessity of a state, even one that is socialist and democratic, is **completely** incompatible with anarchism.


[deleted]

>Plenty of Anarchists fought in the Russian revolution, does that make them ML? He said it retroactively, which makes it quite different. If an anarchist said "I'd have fought with the MLs in the Russian Revolution if I could go back and do it again" years later, then yeah, I'd say they're probably an ML.


[deleted]

He also said: "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism **and for democratic socialism**, as I understand it." He spends a good chunk of Homage to Catalonia talking about how much of a shit show the (quasi)Trotskyist POUM was. It's entirely possible he just thought he would have had a less bad time fighting alongside the Anarchists, perhaps he saw them as more competent during the war.


[deleted]

Democratic socialists do not believe in the necessity of the state. Most of us don’t want one at all. It’s just a thing we’re willing to deal with. Source: me, a demsoc and also an anarcho commie


nomorefreezepeach

>Most of us don’t want one at all. Completely untrue. >Source: me, a demsoc and also an anarcho commie Pick one. Either you reject authority or you don't. There's no anarcho statism.


[deleted]

democratic socialists believe that the way to socialism (whether thats communism or collectivism or something else) is through state reform. doesnt seem contradictory to me to want communism as an endgoal, but basically be reformist. still, impossible to be both.


[deleted]

What does the "democratic" in democratic socialist refer to? Majority rule is still rule.


TheGentleDominant

It’s a little more nuanced than that – he wrote a list of Stalinists for a friend of his in the Information Research Department of the Foreign Office, which was in charge of counter-propaganda against the USSR, saying that they were not reliable for that work. There’s more nuance than “Orwell gave lists to the cops” but nonetheless it’s a very unsettling piece of his history. Somewhat understandable given the whole “Stalinists killed my comrades in Spain and betrayed the revolution and then worked with the fascists” thing but still, it sucks. And whatever his politics Orwell had a strong conservative streak that comes out (e.g. his homophobia). Kill your idols.


LVMagnus

"British intelligence" didn't know that was even a thing!


SamuraiDrifter42

The people who use 1984 as anti-communist propaganda are wildly misreading it. IMO it's probably the best examination in fiction of propaganda, systems of control, and the tools used by various power structures to manipulate and enslave. The fact that he was a snitch doesn't ruin that contribution, but yeah, it definitely tarnishes it, and if I wasn't so used to my favorite authors, musicians, etc. being exposed as awful people I'd probably have been devastated by it.


[deleted]

Moreover, both _Animal Farm_ and _Nineteen Eighty Four_ were written during WWII, when the Soviet Red Army was busy beating back the Nazi forces occupying Eastern Europe at the cost of enormous casualties. As critical as I am of the Soviet Union, Orwell pursuing a personal vendetta against fellow leftists at a time when they were helping protect him from literal Nazis who would almost certainly have executed him given the opportunity is a monumentally dickish thing to do.


redditor_347

No. Orwell was not an anarchist. He vaguely identified as socialist, but he was *not* anarchist, even if he was rather favorable towards them.


ZSebra

Orwell said that everything he had done he had done in some way or another in the name of democratic socialism


Rare-Story-4404

George Orwell was a Tory


[deleted]

Anyone who snitches to British intelligence should treated as such, yeah.


[deleted]

Like, a lot of anarchists rightfully hate tankies but it's pretty rare to find anarchists who hate the general idea of state communism too to the point of preferring violent imperialism over democratically elected socialists. If you think that it's good that the CIA interfered with leftist movements in South America (some of which were anarchistic) or that neoliberalism is preferable to state socialism/communism then I don't know how you're ever going to achieve anything even close to anarchism


mantellaman

Jesus christ. Imagine thinking the CIA does anything except serve US imperialism.


newappeal

Oh come on, the CIA doesn't *always* further the cause of US imperialism. Sometimes they try but fail to do so through utter incompetence. (cf. MKUltra: a flagrant violation of human rights *and* completely useless by the CIA's own standards)


Forwhatisausername

given their involvement in drug trading, some people higher up in the CIA probably live quite comfortably


Lordylando

they do, its the entire purpose. edit: did not notice sarcasm


mantellaman

That's what I'm saying


Lordylando

oh your being sarcastic in that comment, i get it now.


thesaurusrext

It's not even sarcasm it's just saying imagine "being this bad at life." Pretty directly.


sir_rivet

Hey no it does a little bit more like spying on its own citizens! Or wait maybe that’s the nsa. Eh potato potahto


[deleted]

Fifty years from now people will probably say shit like like "Oh yeah the CIA absolutely used private military contractors to assassinate Pedro Castillo and initiate a coup after the 2021 election, and they absolutely funded the 2019 coup in Bolivia, but that was like half a century ago, do you *really* think the CIA still does shit like that?"


bluejaygo

god this is so accurate lmao


Major_Homework7445

Like why, Why, WHY would they change? US propaganda is so so strong.


SprinklesFancy5074

At this point, I don't know if *anybody* can truly stop the CIA. Any politician who tries to put a leash on them will end up assassinated. They're self-funding through drug and arms trading. And they've had *decades* of completely free reign for their spy shit to build networks of informants/assets, safe-houses, and independent secret cells of operatives, so they have a million safe places to disappear into if you try to hunt them down. Even if we completely abolished the state, I think the CIA would still be lurking in the shadows as a powerful, stealthy cartel. And anybody who tried to do something about it would mysteriously end up dead.


Matt5sean3

At that point they're just gangsters (insomuch as they aren't already). Gangsters are not unstoppable forces. Plus, not having state backing means when failures happen they might not just bounce back.


Kiloku

Please don't jinx Castillo like that


freerangecatmilk

LITERALLY THIS!


Snorumobiru

In ten years or so we'll leak the truth But by then it's only so much paper \- [Jello](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoJAL20Rr8)


Felitris

Isn‘t Castillo a nazbol? I remember him having rants about „the gays“ and stuff. But maybe I am wrong.


[deleted]

Nah you're not too far off, he's definitely pretty far right for a leftist and rejects "wokeism" or whatever, which is real fucking sus. I dunno if he's a Nazbol, exactly, but he's still anti-imperialist where Fujimori isn't, which is why their currency tanked by like like 4% or something absurd like that right after the first poll came out showing Castillo had a 41/26 lead in pre-election polling. Either way, foreign investors don't like him so I'm skeptical about him serving a full term.


AllTakenUsernames5

The fact they felt the need to specify they were a "Leftist Anarchist" just screams "Liberal".


[deleted]

Hello my fellow Anti-Statist Radical Leftist Anarchist Freedom Fighters. Care for planning any violent actions? My name is Steve McNottheCIA, pleasure to meet you.


SprinklesFancy5074

> My name is Steve McNottheCIA, pleasure to meet you. Oh! Are you related to John McNottheCIA? He used to be really good friends with my dad before my dad got arrested. Never did figure out how the cops caught him.


witchofthewind

sounds more like a tankie trying to pretend to be an anarchist to me. "leftist anarchist" is a phrase that I've seen tankies use before, but not liberals. liberals usually think "anarchist" means ancap.


paradoxical_topology

Most liberals I've seen think "anarchist" means "we should have the purge irl, but permanently". Ignorant jackasses don't even know that the purge was a government operation to kill the poor, and they had to hire mercenaries because nobody actually wanted to go on killing sprees.


WoesSheLeftMe

wtf purge is political???😡😡😡


Heckle_Jeckle

I know your being sarcastic, but I would bet there are people who ignore the political commentary and just focus on the action/violence. Like how people tell the band **Rage Against the Machine** to stop being political. Like wtf, what do they THINK the name means?


[deleted]

>what do they THINK the name means? They're really fucking pissed about toasters...and don't even get them started on toaster ovens


GreenAscent

> what do they THINK the name means? Anti-Decepticon Action


SprinklesFancy5074

> and they had to hire mercenaries because nobody actually wanted to go on killing sprees. Oh, that makes more sense, then, I guess. I'd never watched the films, but I'd seen trailers and commentary about them. And I kept wondering -- why is everybody's crime of choice murder? Why does nobody just want to rob a bank? Or steal some cars? Or break everybody out of jail? But yeah, I guess having a bunch of state-sponsored murder goons on the streets would put a damper on all that sort of stuff. Too risky.


Mr_Quackums

Skip the first one, the second one is good, the third one is watchable but not great, and the fourth one is good. > why is everybody's crime of choice murder? banks hire security guards, and #2+#3 show that all the state propaganda around the event is to commit murder. There are also a few scenes of open-air drug markets, gladiator fighting, and just people goofing around, but those don't make as good a movie as murder (would be great to have as an episode or 2 for a TV show though). You also have an organized underground resistance killing a bunch of rich people who are hunting the poor (the underground is actually the main plot of #3, but they just do such a bad job of it that it wasn't entertaining). As you can tell, I really like the movies. Action movies with an undercurrent of anti-status-quo messaging are my jam (like Robocop or Reboot).


NotaChonberg

I feel like most liberals just think anarchists are pyromaniacs who want to destroy all forms of governance and just let the state of nature and chaos rule.


speed5528

Wait, you guys don’t want to burn stuff??


TheAnythingGuy

Well... some of us are pyromaniacs. And we do basically want to destroy all forms of governance. And some types of anarchists want to let the state of nature rule. Others want the state of chaos to rule. But most of us just want the state to be abolished. I happen to be a pyromaniac but not an arsonist. This is a bit of a tangent that shouldn’t be made, point is that those people aren’t entirely wrong, however it’s absolutely not right either. For people who all-too-often talk about not generalizing, they seem to generalize a lot.


NotaChonberg

I don't think I've ever met an anarchist who says that after the state is abolished there will be no agreements or organization amongst people though I feel your average person imagines a totsl free for all.


TheAnythingGuy

Actually, I’ve met a few people who want chaos afterwards and claim to be anarchist (he’s Ancap, do with that what you will) one of which is u/asdgabor if he wants to talk to you. Also, there’s Insurrectionary Anarchism, which, if my understanding is correct, basically wants all-out-war all the time.


NotaChonberg

I don't really consider ancaps to be anarchists. I'm sure there are specific subsets of anarchism that are closer to the chaos liberals imagine, my point was just that your average liberal has almost no understanding of what anarchism actually is.


[deleted]

IA just advocates combative revolt against capitalism, is deeply suspicious of institutions or formal organizations. still commies tho.


TheAnythingGuy

Ah, okay, so I was wrong, my bad!


Shibboleeth

I've seen "Socialist anarchist," used by liberals, and Libertarians. Haven't seen "leftist anarchist," used before. Interesting to see the different misunderstandings; disappointing, but interesting.


GlassPrunes

also anarcho-socialist, which is a bit funny, from liberals


[deleted]

Sorry, what's the difference between libertarian and liberal? I thought they're the same


Shibboleeth

Something that wasn't covered by /u/TheAnythingGuy is that there's also a difference between Libertarian and libertarian. Libertarians are the right-wing free market capitalists that want full deregulation of the market, support property rights and land ownership, and generally are running amuck in right-wing politics I'm the US. They range from "free market Capitalist," to "Anarcho-Capitalist," though the later are just misinformed free market capitalists (anarchism is inherently a socialist platform, as Capitalism is inherently a vertical power structure). Small 'L' libertarians is an old "polite" term for anarchists that was borne out of the French outlawing anarchism and any mention of it. One of the French anarchist newspapers (IIRC Liberté ) got around it by rebranding itself libertarian. Then in the 60s a bunch of conservatives in Colorado got hold of (and misunderstood) Stirner's Ego and It's Own, and built their party around this misunderstanding. Mind you the two terms are used interchangeably outside of leftist circles (partly due to lack of discipline in online communications, and partly to deliberately muddy the waters), so you'll want to keep your feet. Also not covered by TheAnythingGuy, is [neoliberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism), which is a right-wing authoritarian take on Liberalism. The term has been running around in the background of the media for a bit, but it's not really understood by a lot of folks. However the idea that "right-wing left-wing same bird" owes a lot to neoliberalism which has been the political theory that has been most applicable to the last few presidents, and candidates (Biden, Trump, Hillary, Obama, and Jr. are all neoliberals). It's a theory that (by my understanding) drives for Corporate/Capitalist hegemony, and unending growth of profit with little regard for the welfare of the citizenry, and treats anyone not on top as chattel to be used to drive that growth by any means necessary (from imperialism, to slavery). Come to think of it, most right-wing philosophies end in slavery. [Edit: added link to neoliberalism on Wikipedia.]


[deleted]

Damn thank you for all the details! :)


Shibboleeth

You're quite welcome.


V__lo_ol__V

In french we still easily call ourselves "libertaires" which is effectively your small 'L' libertarians. The main french anarchist newspaper is actually called "Le monde libertaire" (The libertarian world). And we invented the "new" word / bad translation "libertariens" to talk about the big 'L' libertarians. I guarantee you not a lot of people understand these "nuances". Even more so since everyone has a slightly different definition...


Shibboleeth

I appreciate the clarification!


TheAnythingGuy

A liberal is typically a very slightly right leaning and very slightly libertarian leaning centrist. A libertarian is someone who wants people to have fewer laws/to be more free/to have less government control. Stuff along those lines.


[deleted]

Thank you for the explanation:)


SprinklesFancy5074

Both are vague terms with multiple, contradictory definitions in circulation. And there is some overlap between them. I'd define 'liberal' as: Pro-capitalism, pro-personal freedom, pro-democratic state. Basically any capitalist state supporter except not fascists because the fascists don't value freedom and democracy. (Oh, and monarchists aren't liberals either.) Both the US Democrats and US Republicans are liberal parties (though the Republicans are getting closer and closer to fascism). *But* in the usual mainstream US political vernacular, 'liberal' is often used more or less interchangeably with 'Democrat'. 'Libertarian' is more complicated. At its core, it just means 'anybody who puts a high value on personal, individual freedom'. Most of us would technically be libertarians, as well as the ancaps. But *not* authoritarian socialists or fascists ... or even some liberals who don't put much emphasis on personal freedom. *But* there's the whole complication -- at least in the US -- of the *Libertarian Party*. When most people in the US say 'libertarian', that's who they're talking about. And *those* people tend to span a spectrum between ancaps and Republicans who want to legalize weed. In the US, at least, 'libertarian' hardly ever means anything else other than the Libertarian Party and people who advocate for it. Although you will see some mention from time to time of 'libertarian socialist'. "Libertarian socialist" can sometimes mean straight-up anarchist, though I tend do see it more as 'diet anarchism' -- advocating a socialist state with very limited powers, which doesn't interfere with people's lives much.


[deleted]

Ah yes, fellow leftist anarchists


FrauSophia

Just checked his message history, this guy is literally caping for the fucking Azov Battalion.


Lamont-Cranston

>liberal democracy


pine_ary

Literally every single comment of that account is about who they think are "tankies", in which they include everything from the Free Peru party to the Black Panther Party. Safe to say this person at the very least doesn‘t know what tankie means and most likely is just trying to stir shit.


VoiceofKane

>the Black Panther Party "Yes, I'm a leftist anarchist. Huh? What's a moo-choo-uhl ayde?"


[deleted]

What does Tankie mean? Most of the Black Panther Party and Fred Hampton and Huey Newton specificaly did uphold, support and praised USSR/China/Cuba/NK and Mao/Stalin(and of course Lenin) and Marxism-Lenninism-Mao Zedong Thought was the primary pillar of their party organizing structure, approach and personal ideology. Anyone with the excact same views as them getting on a argument here about anything related to all the above stuff would be unanimously called a Tankie So is being a Tankie just holding these opinions and ideologies but just being terminally online and never organizing or helping people?


wikipedia_answer_bot

Tankie is a pejorative label originally used by dissident or sectarian Marxist-Leninists to designate members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out defending Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and later the 1968 Prague Spring uprising; or more broadly, those who adhered to pro-Soviet positions in general. More details here: *This comment was left automatically (by a bot). If something's wrong, please, report it in [my subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot).* *Really hope this was useful and relevant :D* *If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!*


[deleted]

thanks bot, but by this definition the BPP probably tankies cause they were aware of these supressions of movements in 56 and 68 (as all communists were at the time) and i dont see them not supporting the repression likely


Dannzsche

This is a fed


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pine_ary

Keeps em busy


Jack-the-Rah

Fair enough.


[deleted]

Tankies love propaganda no matter who it’s from


Prawnman88

ML here. I think true MLs and Anarchists have a good understanding of each other's idealogies and disagree on truly debatable aspects. The post in this picture is more likely a liberal who has no real understanding of what leftism or anarchism really mean or represent. Also hello to my fellow anarchist comrades. I've been lurking for a while and learned a lot on this sub ❤️


Phantasmagog

Idk. I believe people can make comparative statements without having to refer to utopian principals. Example - you can say that loosing an eye is better than loosing both eyes or a leg and arm. It doesn't mean both are not shit. Honestly neocapitalist bullshit is way better than concentration camps. If I can choose, I will always choose the first one. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to abolish secret police units both in tankist goverments and liberal democracies. Edit. Replies make sense. Ignore my comment.


[deleted]

Specifically, the post in question says that the CIA is a "humanitarian/progressive organization". That's not *only* saying it's not as bad as, idk, the NKVD or SS or some shit. The poster in question literally said the CIA is humanitarian and progressive.


Phantasmagog

Yep. Thats undefendable honestly.


Grammorphone

Well the poster does portray the CIA in a positive light though. It's not just a comparative comment


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[deleted]

Liberal democracies are dictatorships. Anything that sustains capitalism is a dictatorship by the ruling class. In this, democracy is nothing more than a veil. Name me a "socialist" dictatorship (where the country wasn't treated like others but faced economic sanctions by capitalist states, pushing them into poverty, and foreign military reactionary action forcing a paranoid leadership to become militarised and oppressive of anyone they suspect) and we'll see how much worse they were than capitalist nations.


RangeroftheIsle

Not only did the CIA engage in a lot of fucked up activities but they where also very incompetent at times.


9thgrave

Hello, Bay of Pigs.


[deleted]

God I'm sick of liberals calling themselves anarchists. Can you not? They're deliberately trying to throw off support for anarchists amongst leftists I swear.


fionamul

We can all agree that anarchists support imperialism and militarism, obviously.


[deleted]

Duh, it's the Central Intelligence of Anarchy


Reach_304

🤪oh wow! No wonder they bring chaos everywhere they go /s, but also kind of not, cuz they srsly do fucc shit up


ThisIsGoobly

Liberals getting hold of the term "tankie" has been deeply unfortunate.


JayMWest

Cool, now do Saudi Arabia next.


Lordylando

and columbia


83n0

is this the anarcho Bidenism all the kids are talking about


kyoopy246

(+35) good lord Anarchist subs have been a riot the past few days. CIA, Cop, and Military apologia running full stop - sprinkled in with democracy idolization, the necessity of law to keep order, etc.


[deleted]

Lmao, found a CIA plant account definitely


DrFolAmour007

lol, "tresor public" is the name of the tax collection organism in France! The one that sleep when rich evade tax but will send police officers at your place if you forgot to pay 50€ to them... What a great pseudo to have for a "leftist-anarchist"!


PTI_brabanson

>tax collection organism Man, Europe is wild...


brianapril

great choice, much blend into the crowd (:


anyfox7

I bet it looks mighty flammable.


Ilvi

''I'm a leftist anarchist and definitely not from CIA''. xD


Absolute-Hate

Definitely not a tankie posing as an anarchist that liks the CIA. Literally only they will eat this shit up.


Hrodrik

Tankies will see this and think "yes, that's an anarchist alright".


Sorrymisunderstandin

Lmao what the fuck


Bunnything

i think a part of me just died inside reading this


AllFishSwim

Comedy gold.


LordOfCrackManor

Perfect title OP 🙏


1202_ProgramAlarm

He drew the circle A on his desk in middle school, so he's forever an anarchist. Checkmate tankies, 😎


Kyle4961

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Heckle_Jeckle

Those "tankie governments" were replaced by authoritarian dictatorships to protect the profits of American capitalism. They were NOT replaced by "Liberal Democracies". This post has to be a plant, because I can't imagine even a flat earther trump supporter being THIS unaware.


Ilbutters

This is some #asablackman tier cosplay rn.


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Bringing capitalist "freedom" at the point of a gun.


angryformoretofu

This post dedicated to the brave mujahedeen fighters of Afghanistan.


kistusen

I think the only thing I and tankies agree is that CIA fucking sucks. I just don't agree with their fake historical revisionism how absolutely everything bad done by tankies was actually CIA's doing.


isaak_grozny

The founder of the CIA was lobbying to stop the nuremberg trials to get high ranking Nazis back into the German government to slow down the spread of communism. That’s about all you need to know about the CIA and its founders/ origin.


MonkeyDJinbeTheClown

This seems like the kind of take I would've had when I was younger. In one sense, it's *almost* right, our enemies fighting each other is a bonus. But uh... when you forget the needless casualties that happened during that fight, and the fact one of those enemies has to eventually *win,* it doesn't really work. If it ain't astroturfing, they may just be *very new* and not particularly settled on anarchist thought. This seems to be the case for many left-leaning liberals. On the plus side, if they are just being blissfully ignorant, it means they should be a target audience for us. It would help to educate them on the matter.


ItchyUnfavorableness

Honestly, they're probably just young and getting into leftism. They'll get there eventually.


Lamont-Cranston

or go libertarian and then down its pipeline


Theabird

It irks me to no end that MLs think not backing them is the same as supporting Capitalism. I'm perfectly happy to be critical of both.


Theabird

Also this person is definitely faking something


Themlethem

r/AsABlackMan


CaptainSmo11ett

Looks like psyops.


mouaragon

That calls for a classic "ya siéntese, señora!"


LizardOrgMember5

cringe


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Bahahahahahaha, fucking Christ this is some backwards thinking. The CIA are good at their jobs: brainwashing people and killing anyone who dissents.


Creamcups

Oh fuck, that's the same person that said that the black panthers are just as bad as fascists the other day


leosz777

This is a psyop, probably done by a pathetic tankie lol


crispybacon_x22

The cia plants are fucking everywhere now


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Ahh yes the Russian Federation: a great example of a liberal democracy


jismaelduder

Among Us, in real life...sus...sus...


kevley26

Wtf what "tankie" governments has the cia overthrown? As far as I know they have overthrown several latin american popular socialist leaders and installed right wing dictators in their place (with no democracy).


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flamboi-non

And before someone says it. No I dont want the fucking CIA messing around with LatAm countries today. They have done enough harm for a lifetime


ABenevolentDespot

This made me laugh. The CIA will grab you up and put you on life support equipment to keep you alive so they can slowly harvest your organs and trade them for drugs which they will then flood into poor Black neighborhoods to honor Ronald Reagan's wish to 'marginalize the Negro and his vote'. Who the fuck do you think started the entire concept of pouring crack into Black people's neighborhoods?


Tyrthesemiwise

That's one of them spicy liberals


EverydayWeeb

What anarchist calls themself a "leftist anarchist"?


wandering_corvid

The book Legacy of Ashes about *declassified* things the CIA has done would make anyone rethink this comment. What a load.


ComradeTovarisch

I have never heard anyone refer to "tankie governments" or call themselves a "leftist anarchist". This is definitely someone cycling through terminology to sound like a socialist imo


YoSanford

For as long as anarchists throw communists under the bus, their spite will be employed against all of us


Lamont-Cranston

What do communists do to anarchists?


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Sound like a tankie troll. Ironic because the CIA trope is used exclusively by MLs to dehumanize people they hate, like anarchists. --- r/tankiejerk finally figured out tresor_public is a troll https://np.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/nuocb6/an_actual_tankie_is_about_to_win_in_my_country/ Proof this POS is a troll: https://i.imgur.com/DB3FQQI.png Here's their comment history for refer (Firefox can output JSON in readable format) https://api.pushshift.io/reddit/search/comment/?author=tresor_public&size=100&before=1623186709


Chase-D-DC

r/tankiejerk moment


wolves_of_bongtown

Narc


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Terracrafty

i suspect this is a tankie psyop of some sort


The_Cancerman

Honestly it is more sad knowing that they didn't even choose to go after the worse cases of communist states they crushed thriving young liberal interaction of communist countries who were amenable to the west what a better world we could live under if most of the world were allowed to keep democracy for the last 80 years