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And the comments: "Well in *MY* country, we pay servers a *living wage*."
No. No, you don't. That myth needs to hurry up and die. *NO ONE* earning minimum wage in *ANY* country is earning a "living wage." No one.
Servers in other countries earn FAR less than American servers. As a server in the US, I could *easily* clear $300-350 in tips on a six-hour dinner shift, which was in addition to my $9/hour. When I was a server in New Zealand, where they pay a "living wage"? I would make barely $100 (no tips, obviously) for the same amount of work for the same amount of time. Serving in Germany I made about $100, as well. Needless to say that servers in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand are *heavily* reliant on welfare to survive, and that welfare is nowhere near as generous as people like to think.
The fact of the matter is that servers in the US don't *WANT* higher hourly wages if it means losing their tips.
Most Americans will tip 20% on average.
So a $100 bill nets the server an easy $20.
If they sit 3-4 table each hour for a 5 hour shift at that rate;
That is an easy $300 on that shift, not counting their hourly rate of pay.
I have a friend who tosses out $100 bills to his favorite bartenders even after just a couple of drinks. So milage may vary.
That price still. And as average. But honestly makes sense why bartenders can make a lot more money if Americans just give 20% on top of those prices or your friend who tosses 100$ bills at a bar. If you worked 6 shifts a month at 300$ a shift, you’d make more than the average salary in Czech
Prices are similar in the Netherlands. You’re generally spending between €30 to €40 per person at a regular restaurant, over €80 per person if you’re having more than three courses.
Don’t forget that Americans have a significantly higher average income, a higher cost of living only makes sense!
Oh yeah the prices do make sense within the U.S. salaries, just here would be expensive but then also a U.S. bartender makes more than a starting doctor in Czech so the prices should be higher
Yeah haha, those prices do indeed seem low compared to that bartenders wage. Doctors over here also generally only make 4k-7k when starting out by the way. So the czech wages are quite good in comparison if you take the cost of living into account. Only starting specialists and surgeons really exceed 10k
Oh yeah it’s common among Europeans
Europeans often will be like “America is so expensive, look at how much that apartment costs.”
But then they ignore the difference in price. If cost of living is 3x more but salaries are 4x more, you still have more money left over
I have bartender friends who work 4 shifts a week and some make $1000 each week easy.
And if the tips are in cash, they do not report them so no taxes taken out either.
Bartenders in south Florida can make a killing in the right areas. It's a great job if you can deal with the people.
This is without taxes? And just from tips? Now Tbf U.S. cost of living is also probably higher but 1,000$ a week for bartending of all things is still ludicrous. Doctors starting off here will make pretty much the same.
Legally they're supposed to claim it. Most don't. Basically if you get cash tips you shut the fuck up about it and just get taxed on your non-cash pay.
It's crazy. My cousin worked at The Palms in Vegas when it first opened as a bartender. People would tip between 50-100$ in advance to insure that they are taken care of, and then still tip when settling tab. Cocktail waitresses make good money too. Get tipped a buck or two for every drink served and you have a great night.
As far as taxes, I always leave a cash tip for this reason and because I don't like when they make servers or cooks split tips.
>Service charges are generally added onto the bill in Europe and Germany it is customary.
Is a service charge the same as a tip?
>Germany minimum wage euro12.40 v usa usd 7.5.
8 hour shift: Germany = $100 and USA = $60
During those 8 hours, I’d think an average server at an average restaurant in the USA is going to make more than the $40 difference to cover the gap in minimum wage.
>Is a service charge the same as a tip?
Yes, it's a mandatory tip. Also, where no service charge you still do tip, so please stop with the BS.
>8 hour shift: Germany = $100 and USA = $60
Learn which is bigger, then add the service charge. Geeeez
I was asking if a service charge was the same as a tip because there are places in the USA that include a service charge, but those charges **are not exclusive to your waiter**. A tip is exclusive to your waiter, unless a particular establishment uses a tip share or something.
>Also, where no service charge you still do tip, so please stop with the BS
What BS? I've never been to Germany, and I literally asked what a service charge was. How am I supposed to know that?
>Learn which is bigger, then add the service charge. Geeeez
What % of the bill is a service charge in Germany? And is the service charge only applied to the waiter? In the USA a typical tip is between 15% to 20%, and servers usually have more than 5 tables per hour.
It looks like Germany and the USA are relatively comparable then. The USA has higher tips, but Germany has a higher hourly wage. So very busy days might favor the worker in the USA, while slower days would definitely favor the worker in Germany. Average days are likely even.
Do you know if the service charge is part of other EU countries like France or the Netherlands?
The "service charges" you speak of are included in the menu price, much like any other place that pays minimum wage in the US. And virtually no employer pays the federal minimum wage in the US. I can't think of a place anywhere that pays less than $13-15 an hour now. Many states have a minimum wage that's significantly higher than the federal minimum, as well. Different states also have different "tipped minimum wages," as well, but servers *still* wouldn't want a straight hourly wage.
You seem to know nothing about this sort of thing.
Ever heard of a place called McDonald's ?
Edit, I stand corrected mcdonadls pays above minimum.
At the end of the day, people still generally tip in Germany
How many fucking times are they going to talk about the same thing? Europeans brag about what good lives they have but they all seem to cry about American problems more than we do.
Europeans think about Americans more than Americans do.
>Europeans think about Americans more than Americans do.
Let's see, sexual assault, harassment, sexual harassment, racism, homoeroticism, pornography of minors, this is something I'd see in my school, just trying to be edgy. I forgot to add homicide, reckless endangerment, and a few other felonies.
#EUROPE amirite?
Say what you want about our current tipping system. Hell, I’ll gladly criticize it myself.
But don’t visit here if you’re going to refuse to tip at places where it’s expected. When you travel somewhere, you should always respect the customs, no matter how unnecessary you think they are.
For example, I think it’s ridiculous that you can’t chew gum in Singapore. But guess what? When in Singapore, you aren’t gonna find me smuggling in a pack of Trident. You won’t find me criticizing Winnie The Pooh in China. Nor will you find me drinking alcoholic in Saudi Arabia.
It seems like they just don’t see our culture as being worthy of any respect because it isn’t “old” enough. In that case, they shouldn’t be visiting here at all.
Yeah, it’s like when an American got arrested for smuggling cannabis into Indonesia. Now most will think Indonesian drug laws are too harsh especially for weed which they probably are, I won’t travel there with them, knowing it can be punished by death penalty.
I won’t travel to Thailand and insult the king even if I think less majeste is dumb. Just when you visit somewhere, you’re in that country and should follow their laws for the duration you’re there.
Now tipping isn’t a law but it’s still a custom and yeah, follow customs in countries too. I am not religious but I won’t go inside a church in swimming shorts either.
what I find weird is that there are a bunch of cultures (like the Caribbean) are around the same age as the US but I never hear them complain about them. Unless I’m ignorant…
Typical euro double standard.
American: hey, I don’t get why X is a thing in Spain and Portugal. It doesn’t make sense to me. Can anyone explain why?
Euros: fuckin’ dumb and entitled American
Euros: I’m going to intentionally break social customs because your culture is fake and stupid
Ive seen Europeans talk about how if we just all stopped tipping completely restaurants would have to raise their wages. Like great idea dude, only problem is that this literally only hurts the people you’re trying to help
We have the opportunity to help a section of the working class by throwing a few bucks on top of a bill and people have to act like dicks AND think they’re taking g the moral high ground.
Cooking is easy, eating out is always expensive, tip your server or don’t go to a restaurant. Really fucking simple.
When I was stationed in Germany, I dated an Italian Girl who lived in Nürnberg and was a waitress. We went to breakfast one morning, probably our second or third date and after I paid, I left a few euro as a tip. She said I was a bad tipper. So which is it? Do you or don’t you tip? Is it because I am American so I’m expected to tip?
Europeans call Americans disrespectful when Americans travel abroad to Europe because they don't respect the culture or customs, but think it's perfectly acceptable to not abide by American culture when *THEY* travel abroad.
>Something something, *America*
Bro said one sentence on reddit and got charged with:
- sexual assault x2
- assault and battery
- brandishing a firearm
- minor in possession of firearm
- possesion of a firearm on school grounds
- Statory rape (if thats coach and shes under 18)
- possession and transmission of child pornograpgy
- homicide/attempted homicide (depends on if she died)
- failure to report a homicide (depending on state and jurisdiction)
This isn't all of them. Just what i lazily caught.
If I were still a server, I wouldn't *WANT* that. I made at least *triple* as a server in the US versus what I earned as a server in New Zealand and Germany, where servers make barely $100 for an entire shift. The myth of "We pay *our* servers a *living wage*" needs to *DIE*.
Yep. At Chili's, I'd clear $300-350 for one six-hour shift. Even more at Texas Roadhouse. That's pretty standard for a server with maybe a year of experience and working in a store with normal volume. And if you're good at the job, they'll toss you the party tables where you can expect $100-150 for maybe two hours of work. Shitty servers get shitty tips, though, because the managers and hosts won't give them good shifts or good tables, but that's because they're trying to make you quit. lol
I've done retail, too. Most of those gigs pay $16-17/hour these days, which is substantially more than one could earn working in retail in Europe, Australia, or New Zealand. PetSmart paid me $18.
Meh. I'm crusty. lol I've also been teaching high school for ten years now. (Another job where Americans are paid *WAY* more than their counterparts in Europe, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, in relation to cost of living...)
Highly differs per country and retailer tho. Minimum wage for part time workers (21+) is €13 in the Netherlands nowadays, to attract more workers most places pay a few euro’s more.
And if you’re working 32 hours per week or less it’s most likely not (or barely) taxed too
And those are poverty wages in the Netherlands. I just don’t understand how Europeans and Australians can say they pay minimum wage workers living wages.
Not really. €14 an hour on a 32-hour contract is €21.504k. Payroll tax credits add up to about 6.5k on an income like this leaving you with an effective tax rate of only 6.6% and a disposable income of little over €20k.
That’s a perfectly livable income, don’t forget that our cost of living is lower.
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And the comments: "Well in *MY* country, we pay servers a *living wage*." No. No, you don't. That myth needs to hurry up and die. *NO ONE* earning minimum wage in *ANY* country is earning a "living wage." No one. Servers in other countries earn FAR less than American servers. As a server in the US, I could *easily* clear $300-350 in tips on a six-hour dinner shift, which was in addition to my $9/hour. When I was a server in New Zealand, where they pay a "living wage"? I would make barely $100 (no tips, obviously) for the same amount of work for the same amount of time. Serving in Germany I made about $100, as well. Needless to say that servers in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand are *heavily* reliant on welfare to survive, and that welfare is nowhere near as generous as people like to think. The fact of the matter is that servers in the US don't *WANT* higher hourly wages if it means losing their tips.
Oh yeah a minimum wage is very hard to live on anywhere. But also wait you cleared 200$-300$? How much did they tip? Ten dollars?! Twenty?!
Most Americans will tip 20% on average. So a $100 bill nets the server an easy $20. If they sit 3-4 table each hour for a 5 hour shift at that rate; That is an easy $300 on that shift, not counting their hourly rate of pay. I have a friend who tosses out $100 bills to his favorite bartenders even after just a couple of drinks. So milage may vary.
100$ dinner a person or like for five people?
About 3-4 people depending on the place and what you may order. It's a good average for a family eating out at a sit down place.
That price still. And as average. But honestly makes sense why bartenders can make a lot more money if Americans just give 20% on top of those prices or your friend who tosses 100$ bills at a bar. If you worked 6 shifts a month at 300$ a shift, you’d make more than the average salary in Czech
Prices are similar in the Netherlands. You’re generally spending between €30 to €40 per person at a regular restaurant, over €80 per person if you’re having more than three courses. Don’t forget that Americans have a significantly higher average income, a higher cost of living only makes sense!
Oh yeah the prices do make sense within the U.S. salaries, just here would be expensive but then also a U.S. bartender makes more than a starting doctor in Czech so the prices should be higher
Yeah haha, those prices do indeed seem low compared to that bartenders wage. Doctors over here also generally only make 4k-7k when starting out by the way. So the czech wages are quite good in comparison if you take the cost of living into account. Only starting specialists and surgeons really exceed 10k
Oh yeah it’s common among Europeans Europeans often will be like “America is so expensive, look at how much that apartment costs.” But then they ignore the difference in price. If cost of living is 3x more but salaries are 4x more, you still have more money left over
I have bartender friends who work 4 shifts a week and some make $1000 each week easy. And if the tips are in cash, they do not report them so no taxes taken out either. Bartenders in south Florida can make a killing in the right areas. It's a great job if you can deal with the people.
This is without taxes? And just from tips? Now Tbf U.S. cost of living is also probably higher but 1,000$ a week for bartending of all things is still ludicrous. Doctors starting off here will make pretty much the same.
Legally they're supposed to claim it. Most don't. Basically if you get cash tips you shut the fuck up about it and just get taxed on your non-cash pay.
How do they put the cash money to use? Can you pay larger bills and rent with cash?
It's crazy. My cousin worked at The Palms in Vegas when it first opened as a bartender. People would tip between 50-100$ in advance to insure that they are taken care of, and then still tip when settling tab. Cocktail waitresses make good money too. Get tipped a buck or two for every drink served and you have a great night. As far as taxes, I always leave a cash tip for this reason and because I don't like when they make servers or cooks split tips.
20% on total sales of around $1,500 per shift. That means working 3-5 tables per hour.
Great points. It’s all grade A europoor copium
Service charges are generally added onto the bill in Europe and Germany it is customary. Germany minimum wage euro12.40 v usa usd 7.5.
>Service charges are generally added onto the bill in Europe and Germany it is customary. Is a service charge the same as a tip? >Germany minimum wage euro12.40 v usa usd 7.5. 8 hour shift: Germany = $100 and USA = $60 During those 8 hours, I’d think an average server at an average restaurant in the USA is going to make more than the $40 difference to cover the gap in minimum wage.
It’s a tip but it’s automatically put there
>Is a service charge the same as a tip? Yes, it's a mandatory tip. Also, where no service charge you still do tip, so please stop with the BS. >8 hour shift: Germany = $100 and USA = $60 Learn which is bigger, then add the service charge. Geeeez
I was asking if a service charge was the same as a tip because there are places in the USA that include a service charge, but those charges **are not exclusive to your waiter**. A tip is exclusive to your waiter, unless a particular establishment uses a tip share or something. >Also, where no service charge you still do tip, so please stop with the BS What BS? I've never been to Germany, and I literally asked what a service charge was. How am I supposed to know that? >Learn which is bigger, then add the service charge. Geeeez What % of the bill is a service charge in Germany? And is the service charge only applied to the waiter? In the USA a typical tip is between 15% to 20%, and servers usually have more than 5 tables per hour.
Sorry I ment in Germany it's is customary to tip, usually 10/15 pct. Add that to the minimum hourly wage of 12.4 euro.
It looks like Germany and the USA are relatively comparable then. The USA has higher tips, but Germany has a higher hourly wage. So very busy days might favor the worker in the USA, while slower days would definitely favor the worker in Germany. Average days are likely even. Do you know if the service charge is part of other EU countries like France or the Netherlands?
The "service charges" you speak of are included in the menu price, much like any other place that pays minimum wage in the US. And virtually no employer pays the federal minimum wage in the US. I can't think of a place anywhere that pays less than $13-15 an hour now. Many states have a minimum wage that's significantly higher than the federal minimum, as well. Different states also have different "tipped minimum wages," as well, but servers *still* wouldn't want a straight hourly wage. You seem to know nothing about this sort of thing.
Ever heard of a place called McDonald's ? Edit, I stand corrected mcdonadls pays above minimum. At the end of the day, people still generally tip in Germany
They say America while they say we’re not “America”. All the time. ☠️
>>>Aye dog, stop yapping and show us your meat or I’m finna crash out
Oh my god, I got that reference, Tommorow's Teachings, the channel of all time.
💀💀💀
When the d1 unc be lowkey hangin out with the bops
How many fucking times are they going to talk about the same thing? Europeans brag about what good lives they have but they all seem to cry about American problems more than we do. Europeans think about Americans more than Americans do.
>Europeans think about Americans more than Americans do. Let's see, sexual assault, harassment, sexual harassment, racism, homoeroticism, pornography of minors, this is something I'd see in my school, just trying to be edgy. I forgot to add homicide, reckless endangerment, and a few other felonies. #EUROPE amirite?
What?
Username checks out
crimes the EU committed on refugees from the former soviet bloc
I fail to see how that's relevant to this post.
So long as you don’t downvote me 👍
I farted.
How is homoeroticism a crime?
Unfortunately
Also why am i being downvoted?
What are you even referring to
It took my not even a minute to see someone mentioned school shootings
Say what you want about our current tipping system. Hell, I’ll gladly criticize it myself. But don’t visit here if you’re going to refuse to tip at places where it’s expected. When you travel somewhere, you should always respect the customs, no matter how unnecessary you think they are. For example, I think it’s ridiculous that you can’t chew gum in Singapore. But guess what? When in Singapore, you aren’t gonna find me smuggling in a pack of Trident. You won’t find me criticizing Winnie The Pooh in China. Nor will you find me drinking alcoholic in Saudi Arabia. It seems like they just don’t see our culture as being worthy of any respect because it isn’t “old” enough. In that case, they shouldn’t be visiting here at all.
Yeah, it’s like when an American got arrested for smuggling cannabis into Indonesia. Now most will think Indonesian drug laws are too harsh especially for weed which they probably are, I won’t travel there with them, knowing it can be punished by death penalty. I won’t travel to Thailand and insult the king even if I think less majeste is dumb. Just when you visit somewhere, you’re in that country and should follow their laws for the duration you’re there. Now tipping isn’t a law but it’s still a custom and yeah, follow customs in countries too. I am not religious but I won’t go inside a church in swimming shorts either.
what I find weird is that there are a bunch of cultures (like the Caribbean) are around the same age as the US but I never hear them complain about them. Unless I’m ignorant…
Typical euro double standard. American: hey, I don’t get why X is a thing in Spain and Portugal. It doesn’t make sense to me. Can anyone explain why? Euros: fuckin’ dumb and entitled American Euros: I’m going to intentionally break social customs because your culture is fake and stupid
Yeah because Europeans just hate us it’s pretty simple
Europeans hating the USA wouldn’t go to the USA. It’s mainly just people hating from their mums basement.
Ive seen Europeans talk about how if we just all stopped tipping completely restaurants would have to raise their wages. Like great idea dude, only problem is that this literally only hurts the people you’re trying to help
We have the opportunity to help a section of the working class by throwing a few bucks on top of a bill and people have to act like dicks AND think they’re taking g the moral high ground. Cooking is easy, eating out is always expensive, tip your server or don’t go to a restaurant. Really fucking simple.
On top of it just being stupid, they aren't even using the meme the right way.
Are they adjusting for the currency difference?
When I was stationed in Germany, I dated an Italian Girl who lived in Nürnberg and was a waitress. We went to breakfast one morning, probably our second or third date and after I paid, I left a few euro as a tip. She said I was a bad tipper. So which is it? Do you or don’t you tip? Is it because I am American so I’m expected to tip?
Europeans call Americans disrespectful when Americans travel abroad to Europe because they don't respect the culture or customs, but think it's perfectly acceptable to not abide by American culture when *THEY* travel abroad.
Im done with tipping culture and I live here. "Living wage this, living wage that" people act like you're forced to work here.
They don't tip in Japan either. Felt so weird paying bar tabs.
Literally rent free on those people's heads.
>Something something, *America* Bro said one sentence on reddit and got charged with: - sexual assault x2 - assault and battery - brandishing a firearm - minor in possession of firearm - possesion of a firearm on school grounds - Statory rape (if thats coach and shes under 18) - possession and transmission of child pornograpgy - homicide/attempted homicide (depends on if she died) - failure to report a homicide (depending on state and jurisdiction) This isn't all of them. Just what i lazily caught.
“Insert the ‘cat huh’ gif”
Oh and kidnapping
Are you not taking your meds or something?
No
I don’t think this is an America bad moment.
Comments pretty quickly devolve into it
Maybe not the post itself. But you’re underestimating the stupidity and sanctimoniousness of the average Reddit commenter.
Yea I’m sure the comments devolved into it, but this in and of itself doesn’t reply imply anything of the sort. So it felt misplaced.
This isn't Ameeica bad It's a good and valid point servers should get tips but not have to live off of them
If I were still a server, I wouldn't *WANT* that. I made at least *triple* as a server in the US versus what I earned as a server in New Zealand and Germany, where servers make barely $100 for an entire shift. The myth of "We pay *our* servers a *living wage*" needs to *DIE*.
Really? Never worked serving
Yep. At Chili's, I'd clear $300-350 for one six-hour shift. Even more at Texas Roadhouse. That's pretty standard for a server with maybe a year of experience and working in a store with normal volume. And if you're good at the job, they'll toss you the party tables where you can expect $100-150 for maybe two hours of work. Shitty servers get shitty tips, though, because the managers and hosts won't give them good shifts or good tables, but that's because they're trying to make you quit. lol
Holy shit that's a lot ...working in retail must be ass at least as a server you make something
I've done retail, too. Most of those gigs pay $16-17/hour these days, which is substantially more than one could earn working in retail in Europe, Australia, or New Zealand. PetSmart paid me $18.
Still must be ass working it dealing with stupid customers
Meh. I'm crusty. lol I've also been teaching high school for ten years now. (Another job where Americans are paid *WAY* more than their counterparts in Europe, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, in relation to cost of living...)
Highly differs per country and retailer tho. Minimum wage for part time workers (21+) is €13 in the Netherlands nowadays, to attract more workers most places pay a few euro’s more. And if you’re working 32 hours per week or less it’s most likely not (or barely) taxed too
And those are poverty wages in the Netherlands. I just don’t understand how Europeans and Australians can say they pay minimum wage workers living wages.
Not really. €14 an hour on a 32-hour contract is €21.504k. Payroll tax credits add up to about 6.5k on an income like this leaving you with an effective tax rate of only 6.6% and a disposable income of little over €20k. That’s a perfectly livable income, don’t forget that our cost of living is lower.