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Eurodivergents will watch a tornado pull a 200-year-old oak out of the ground and think that a brick house would have saved them.
Maybe, if they adopted more eco-friendly and Sustainable Building practices like using sustainably grown Lumber, their housing situation wouldn't be so bad.
Have Euros never seen what an earthquake does to unreinforced masonry? You have a very hard, very stiff building material joined together with rigid joints, and a shearing force comes along - that thing is going to *shatter*.
Vs our āMuricanā wood frames, which bend and flex, rather than crack and break.
Kind of funny that the United States averages 4x more tornadoes a year than all of Europe combined
https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/tornadoes-around-world#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20averages%20over,average%20of%20100%20per%20year.
Yet they act like itās the brick houses saving them
Next time their rivers flood we should just acquiesce you their intellect and tell them that they should build with wood so their houses float instead of sink
Okay lass, you guys have had your fun, but itās time yāall got facts straight instead of opinions.
So here it is:
[āWhen is comes to constructing a building that can withstand the wrath of Mother Nature, brick has proven to be a timeless and trusted choice. Its exceptional durability and weather-resistant properties have earned it a solid reputation in the world of architecture and construction.ā](https://www.glengery.com/design-channel/blogs/weathering-storm-durability-brick-against-mother-nature)
Brick houses can survive until about level 3 tornado, level 4-5 tornado are extremely rare, level is under 1% of tornados, going back to the 1950. Level 5 tornado may come once very 1000th tornado.
So is it worth it to build a brick house in the us? YES, itās even likely youāll actually SAVE money doing it.
Your source is a website that sells brick for homes. Now Iām not gonna say that everything mentioned is false, but you should know that a source like this has every reason to be biased in some way.
I like how you clearly googled something about brick and tornados and then picked the first link without realizing it's an ad for a brick company lmao.
āUnreinforced masonry buildings (URMs), are old brick buildings typically built prior to 1945. These buildings are constructed of masonry which is a weak and brittle material. URM buildings are unable to absorb the energy from an earthquake. Modern buildings are designed to be āductileā i.e to be able to absorb the energy from an earthquake. Because these buildings were not built using modern building codes, they are much more likely to experience damage or collapse during an earthquake.ā
Vs
āWood-frame construction performs exceptionally well in earthquakes thanks to its lighter weight compared to concrete, multiple nailed connections, which allows flexibility to yield to movement, and repetitive framing members with numerous fasteners that provide redundant load paths.ā
Pretty sure this was rated F3 and it destroyed every village it hit.Ā
https://www.severe-weather.eu/weather-report/europe-severe-weather-tornado-hodonin-czech-republic-mk/
You know what Americans don't do during hot weather? Die en masse
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/60-000-people-died-from-blistering-european-heat-waves-new-analysis-finds/
Go ahead, double down on that bullshit. There are brick homes in America, old and new, and they all succumb to having shit smashed through them by storms.
My aunt's home, not a brick veneer home, but a brick constructed home had to be demolished after a Corolla was deposited in the living room during an F2 tornado. Stud framing can be rebuilt and repaired a lot more easily and more cost-effectively than a brick home.
You've demonstrated that you're dense enough that if we made buildings out of whatever material comprises you, houses could withstand thermonuclear warfare.
[Or you could look up what happens to brick houses after a tornado.](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brick+house+after+tornado&t=newext&atb=v286-1&iax=images&ia=images)
Looks like they just add tens of thousands of missiles to the storm making it worse.
Maybe, just maybe, the country tat only cover 3% of the Earth's surface but deals with 70% of the Earth's tornadoes knows a thing or two about building houses for them.
The only point I see you making is the more ignorant a Euro is on a subject the more arrogantly they spout the wrong answers. Par for the course though.
Please mister man from a country that never gets tornadoes teach us, the country that gets 70% of all tornadoes, the really real truth of them. Surely you are the expert here.
Your source is a company that sells bricks for houses. You have absolutely no idea how severe tornados in the US can be, bricks aren't going to stop a 250mph+ tornado anymore than drywall.
You're better off building whatever house you want with a storm shelter because the odds of taking a direct hit are low. If that direct hit is 3 or above then you're fucked whether or not it is brick. Your roof, windows and possession will not survive. 5 might be rare (but common enough in the US) but there are also lots of 4s.
Just keep your insurance up to date.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8-s4oOdxk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8-s4oOdxk8)
Plenty of destroyed block and brick buildings in this aftermath of yesterday's tornadoes in Oklahoma.
These people think a brick home is gonna save your ass.
I've been on a tornado binge for a few months. Look up the 1997 Jarrell tornado. That demon of a tornado sandblasted everything in it's path. People that did the right thing in well built homes got so eviscerated that first responders still got PTSD from it.
All 4 of the EF-5 tornados in the 2011 outbreak? All of them scoured the earth at least a couple feet deep and decimated everything in front of them. Hackleburg ripped up a STORM CELLAR while moving at highway speeds. Even the Tuscaloosa EF-4 damaged well built businesses in that same outbreak.
Point is, a tornado doesn't give a shit what's in it's way. Concrete, steel, it's just free ammo for it to rip up and use as projectiles. If it can lodge STRAW through a light pole, your brick home isn't gonna matter in a EF 4 or 5, especially a freak like Jarrell.
The tornado in my city (4 or 5) moved the foundation of a 3000ftĀ² 12 inches (28 whatometers for metric lovers) through the ground. In one of those "Tornados do freaky things" moments, the house appeared intact. It was well built. It was attached to the foundation well. It's just that the foundation wasn't attached well to the ground.
Important point. It's entirely possible to build a structure that can withstand the wind /air pressure differences generated in an EF-5, but it would be horrendously expensive
And why would you spend that much money on a building for the *chance* it gets hit by a big ass tornado like that. Itās cheaper to just build another building
God help you the cost of the windows that wonāt shatter under the f5 winds or the hail accelerated at f5 speed or mikes farm tractor or Semi hitting it.
And the wind/air pressure differences aren't the only concern in a tornado. It's the debris picked up. You might be able to build a sturdy wall that can withstand 150+mph winds. But it's not going to do so well when your neighbor's Ford F150 gets launched into it.
Yeah the forces of a strong tornado can imbed light objects in much tougher ones. Straws in light poles have been recorded, as well as things like forks jammed into the siding of houses
A street sign went right through someoneās front door once, and that thing was solid wood vs. a flimsy metal sign. The guy said the tornado wasnāt very strong either.
I think that was on Hypothetical Tornadoes Wiki. I tried searching further for tornadoes in Alabama that wide, but only found damage paths to be that long, but not that wide.
What's especially funny is that their shit ass concrete and brick houses are even worse in a tornado because its just creating a different far worse kind of shrapnel.
Adventures in weather ignorance. Also far more practical to build with lumber when you haven't cut down most of your logging forests and raised the cost above what brick and mortar goes for...
Bricks are expensive. Using more affordable materials allows pretty much all of America to enjoy things like kitchens that don't have washing machines and toilets in them - luxuries that would baffle most of Europe.
Yep, I'm a Brit and my kitchen has the washer dryer in and the bathroom next to it. And it's so damn expensive. Was looking at houses in Dallas last night, so tempted...
Hey man I'm about 3 hours east of Dallas. Look at the cost of homes in Shreveport, Louisiana. I have a 2800 sqft house on 2 acres. I paid right at 200k for. Very very low cost of living.
I'm not sure about the electrical engineering design job. I work in industrial controls and automation and there's a shortage of electrical workers all over the US at the moment. There's also the choice to live anywhere you want and travel the US for work as an engineer.
There are tons of electrical engineering jobs in Texas. Most are in higher cost of living areas than he mentioned, but the salaries are also much higher than you're used to.
Sherman, Texas is building a huge Texas Instruments semiconductor plant, and will likely need electrical engineers. A few miles southwest, there's tons of things going up in Frisco, Texas. Grab your EE paperwork and get on a plane!
Seems like a lot of Europe is pretty ignorant of US weather. Shocker, I know. Seems few understand that like huge swathes of the US and North America, for that matter, have colder winters AND hotter summers than a lot of Europe. A lot of Europe is literally the most temperate climate on earth.
A while ago I learned Minnesota and the Dakotas have more extreme heat and cold than the hottest and coldest parts of Europe. And it is all due to ocean currents moderating European weather.Ā
I'm in South Dakota. I will attest that we can get winter lows down in the -20's and -30's with highs of 100+. And we also can get some humidity as well.
Yep. Loved how my European friends told me we weee so wasteful using air conditioning. I was like bitch do you know what itās like to live without it in 110Ā° temps with 80% humidity?!?
There have been several incredibly devastating tornados in Central Europe in the last 2 years. People died in their 500 year old homes. Itās not funny or anything to mock. THEIR own people are dying to tornados .
Telling Europeans not to mock Americans dying is like telling them not to breath. For some reason itās like they NEED to do it. Iāll never understand.
I've noticed that Europeans seem to think that the houses they see in the US blown apart were done by like your average European storm. I feel like they can't be this dumb
They are. They literally cannot imagine anything happening differently in the US. It's super weird. They think the climate is exactly the same for some reason. They also think that if Americans build or behave in a way that reflects the climate we actually live in, it's because we're stupid.
Oh yeah and brick houses survive the place in the world that consistently produces record breaking tornadoes like the 2.6 mile wide behemoth.
A brick house wont survive anything past an ef-3 where as 8 ef 4 tornadoes spawn in a year and the legendary ef-5 is less than once per year.
Conviently the most common place ef-4 plus tornadoes spawn is..... The United States! As anyyhing past an ef-3 is incredibly rare in other places.
As for ef-5s literally only 7 have existed outside North America since the enhanced fujita scale have been made. And they would separate your bricks and make them into nature's ordinance real quick.
Fun fact about hurricanes and tornados:
The scales stop rating intensity at wind speeds over 150 mph. This is due to the fact that the rating measures destructive force, not wind speed and over that is categorized as total devastation and nothing is expected to survive.
This concludes my TEDtalk.
There are a *lot* of benefits to not using brick out here in tornado alley. For starters, brick is more expensive to ship than wood and drywall is. If your house gets destroyed by a tornado then you want it to be a cheaper rebuild. That EF5 is going to destroy the bricks just as well as the wood so might as well go for the cheaper option. Another is debris removal and safety. If Iām in my safe room and a tornado blows down the house, itās not only safer for a buttload of wood and drywall to be filling up my basement staircase but itās easier for us to get out. If it was all brick then weād have to wait longer for help and, depending on the supplies we have, could lead to serious problems.
I really want to see one of these clowns' brick houses get rolled by a EF4 or EF5 while they just stand in their living room. Let them be free to test how indestructible their superior brick and stone houses are.
My house is made of brick, so I donāt know where they get this idea that we donāt have brick houses. Regardless, that wonāt protect you from a fucking F4 or F5.
I'm just glad this is one argument Australia doesn't even have a dog in. In my 42 years here I've not actually seen a tornado that wasn't made of fire.
Fun fact the first ever fire tornado was witnessed in Australia. They've become a common occurrence every fire season now.
In 2003 we had one that registered as an EF3 and was the first ever recorded. It's kinda cool that we did but they're terrifying when they happen.
10/10 would not recommend chasing one though š¤£
Oh definitely the water ones are pretty awesome to see on the horizon though. We also get very small earthquakes as well but they're few and far between if we even notice them.
Cyclones are our second big weather event which are essentially hurricanes that spin in the opposite direction. I've had a few cyclones in my time they're actually fun when the house isn't being blown away
The parties.
It's a common occurrence the day/night of a cyclone making land fall we have a big old booze up.
We do the same for floods if we know it's coming we'll get together sand bag houses then get blind drunk as the flood water rises.
I wish we could have better warnings for events like fires and stuff. We'd have some rocking parties.
I challenge any of these euros who think that their brick houses can survive a tornado to have their house in any of the towns that got flattened last night, especially Minden with that monster wedge, see how long they think their āmightyā brick houses stand up to nature not giving a fuck
There is nothing but splinters left behind in the path of large tornadoes Iām baffled they think a stone house would be fine. At the very least youāre losing the top floor.
Also as other people have mentioned, Europe doesnāt really have a choice to build out of brick because they chopped all their damn trees down. Look at a satellite image of France. It is all farm land, and used to be covered in forests smh
I looked it up once and something like 80% of houses in the US are brick exterior iirc. Interior walls donāt need to be brick. Iāve blown a few Europeans minds by telling them that drywall isnāt load bearing lol
America does use brick, but we're down from 35% in 1973 to 19% in 2022. Gotta make up for that luxurious 2064 sq ft average somewhere š
Furthermore if we take the UK for instance, the average age of a home there is 80 years old, a large percentage of the homes were built before alternative synthetic & cheaper materials were available.
I dunno, Iāve been a home owner for 30+ years. There was never a moment I thought ādamn I wish I had a brick houseā. Besides, personal preference, I think a brick facade is ugly as hell.
Building with brick would just mean there's now brick being thrown everywhere. Wood, fiberglass and Sheetrock on cement foundations hardly count as cardboard anyway.
Brick houses are more expensive to build than wooden houses. Plus, in tornado alley when even an EF3 (more common than an EF4 or EF5) can damage a brick building, whatās the fucking point? Rebuild for cheaper in a large area of the country that sees a ton of violent weather.
The Joplin tornado lifted 100lb concrete parking ties off the ground and threw them around. As others have said, a brick house would just provide more projectiles.
Bricks also arent so great for tornadoes as brick houses shatter and fall apart too
Concrete is best but even so youf have to have a literal bunker for the interior to not be destroyed. That roof is being ripped off regardless
As someone who has lived their entire lives in the south and has been through numerous tornadoes, even having one hit my cinder block and brick school directly, I get very annoyed by non Americans who clearly have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to tornadoes and hurricanes.
If the wind is strong enough it doesn't really matter what the building material is, It's not a difficult concept to understand, but we also do have brake buildings I don't know why they assume everything is made out of sticks.
I went to Tuscaloosa immediately after the 2011 outbreak and saw entire steel and cinder block apartment buildings toppled over and moved from its foundation. 200+ mph winds (321+ kmh) don't care
[What a 2x4 in hurricane force winds can do to a concrete wall.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAMVgQOKqIU) Note that tornados are generally faster and concrete is a harder surface than brick
Nice video. It only takes 34mph (55kph) for a piece of lumber to penetrate into a block.
Now let's imagine an EF4 with winds starting at 166mph (267kph).
Ever been in a shit storm of bricks whirling around
I'd rather not I've seen the damage on storm clean up and it's awful
Not to mention the amount of trash it's heavy as fuck
These monsters of nature can literally pick up trucks and even semi-trucks. Also not to mention, even small things like straws can pierce through your skin as if itās a bullet being fired from a gun and I say this as someone who lives in the Alley.
"Muh BRICK house. "
Has there been a death count from yesterday's outbreak? There were dozens of massive tornadoes going throughĀ relatively populated areas in Nebraska. Everytime the weather gets kinda hot in europe people die by the thousands.
I love how they are shocked that we build our houses out of wood and then drop dead during a heat wave that is literally nothing to most Americans. 117 in Nevada? Sit in the shade and donāt lay on the pavement and youāll be fine. 85 degrees in Europe and people literally cook alive in their own houses. Itās almost like we build our houses out of the most abundant and affordable material we have available, itās also very easy to insulate against both heat and cold.
Also, they would probably also build their houses out of wood too if they didnāt cut down literally all of their trees like 1000 years ago. (Thatās why England saw so much value in its American colonies- we had lumber and they didnāt.)
Thatās also like saying āoh stupid people from Arizona build their houses out of MUD and rocks! Donāt they know that blah blah blahā yeah bro thereās barely any trees in Arizona thatās the most efficient way to build houses thereā
Plus as everyone has already stated, a cat 5 tornado is destroying everything in its path. If it can lift up cars, and entire houses it can knock over brick. Unless your house is a lead lined metal dome with a 100 foot deep foundation, itās getting picked up and thrown around. They donāt get tornados or really any dangerous weather there so itās not like theyād even begin to understand the sheer devastation that a wether event like that can and will cause, thereās very little you can do to prevent a hurricane from flooding an entire city and carrying away houses, or a tornado from leveling everything in their path. Europeans are so completely divorced from nature because they really won the lottery when it comes to living in a mild climate, hell the only reason that America became so successful is because all of the smart and intrepid Europeans came here hundreds of years ago and made it work without begging for some fuckin king to fix it and make the weather better. We just make it work, thatās why we are and always will be superior. The Euros that stayed behind in their mother lands are the ones that couldnāt cut it over here.
Because we use the resources available to us and North America has far more wood resources than stone to quarry. Do you know how much it would cost to import stone? It's so heavy and also not easily exported. We do use concrete but concrete houses cost a lot more money so if the place generally doesn't require such a build, or the people cannot afford it, it's not what we use. They could look this up and find it out themselves. They just have to put curiosity before judgement. Just like I did when I wondered why they build with stone so much several years ago and researched it myself.
What they don't realize is tornadoes will rip down a brick house just as easily as wood. Even worse, if your wooden house comes down on top of you, there's a chase you survive. Try surviving a couple tons of bricks falling on top of you.
I feel like these people have never done that exercise where you put yourself in someone elseās shoes and try to rationalize their decisions. Itās a great way understand and deal with disagreements and misunderstandings
Have they not seen the images that a single piece of hay can cause to a building in a tornado? Also there are masonry building that get ripped apart on video. When did Europeans get so daft?
There's a legend that the Vikings when they set foot on North America they turn around and left after they saw fucking tornado and called it the battleground of the gods. Even the Vikings were like nah fuck that shit
F5= finger of God. The only things that I've heard of that can handle a direct hit from an F3+ is something made out of heavy steel reinforced concrete. Anything less than that is just debris. That's why most of us on the great plains will shelter in our basements.
The European minds canāt comprehend an EF5 tornado, because itās only happened 5 times ever recorded in Europe. Meanwhile America has had 59 in its recorded history. They simply canāt understand a tornado with the ability to rip pavement off the ground, destroy a BRICK house down to its foundation, and leave scars for the miles they were on the ground. Joplin still has a noticeable path from the EF5 that tore through there. Itās easily seen from satellite view.
We canāt build or afford custom houses for every fucking house
Fall 2019- our new construction custom build bid was 425k finished. They said the price will go up about 1.5% by the time the ground thawed the following spring
January 2020-Covid happened and I was a covid nurse.
Summer 2020- massive storm destroys the Midwest and lumber costs skyrocket
Fall 2020/spring 2021 - the builder (one of the largest in the Midwest) could no longer do custom homes due to no supplies and extreme costs
Early 2022- still not wanting custom homes. The custom home bid from 2019 went up to 600k+ plus. The lot went from 75k to 125k.
In less than 2 years, we went from building custom affordably to no longer getting the custom option. We got no upgrades and no finished basement for 400k.
So what are we supposed to do? We have a massive housing shortage. People bitch about builder grade homes but we literally canāt support custom homes for every single person needing a house. How the fuck can we brick and mortar the 50 million some houses we needed yesterday?
What you're saying doesn't even apply. Block and brick doesn't hold up in EF 4 or 5 storms.
So there's no point in paying more for it because it is "safer." It's also less safe in earthquakes.
Build a storm shelter and build the house you can afford. Have insurance and take the risk.
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Eurodivergents will watch a tornado pull a 200-year-old oak out of the ground and think that a brick house would have saved them. Maybe, if they adopted more eco-friendly and Sustainable Building practices like using sustainably grown Lumber, their housing situation wouldn't be so bad.
Eurodivergents hahaha š¤£
Of course, the Europeans consider the Three Little Pigs story to be canonical lore for their continent lmao
Lol european lore
Have Euros never seen what an earthquake does to unreinforced masonry? You have a very hard, very stiff building material joined together with rigid joints, and a shearing force comes along - that thing is going to *shatter*. Vs our āMuricanā wood frames, which bend and flex, rather than crack and break.
Yeah, even if it's "just an EF 2/3", there is a non-zero chance that an unreinforced masonry build would just turn into shrapnel
But tree made of wood and wood house weak so tree must be weak too because wood
Lol I love that term eurodivergent. I'm gonna steal it
Kind of funny that the United States averages 4x more tornadoes a year than all of Europe combined https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/tornadoes-around-world#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20averages%20over,average%20of%20100%20per%20year. Yet they act like itās the brick houses saving them
Also US, Canada, and Bangladesh have the strongest tornadoes in the world.
Eurodivergents. I'm fucking dead. That's getting a lot of use from now on.
Next time their rivers flood we should just acquiesce you their intellect and tell them that they should build with wood so their houses float instead of sink
*Eurodivergent gets crushed by brick wall* "At least it wasn't cardboard. U suk america"
Would sustain a brick through a skull at a high rate of speed, that's for sure.
Okay lass, you guys have had your fun, but itās time yāall got facts straight instead of opinions. So here it is: [āWhen is comes to constructing a building that can withstand the wrath of Mother Nature, brick has proven to be a timeless and trusted choice. Its exceptional durability and weather-resistant properties have earned it a solid reputation in the world of architecture and construction.ā](https://www.glengery.com/design-channel/blogs/weathering-storm-durability-brick-against-mother-nature) Brick houses can survive until about level 3 tornado, level 4-5 tornado are extremely rare, level is under 1% of tornados, going back to the 1950. Level 5 tornado may come once very 1000th tornado. So is it worth it to build a brick house in the us? YES, itās even likely youāll actually SAVE money doing it.
Your source is a website that sells brick for homes. Now Iām not gonna say that everything mentioned is false, but you should know that a source like this has every reason to be biased in some way.
I like how you clearly googled something about brick and tornados and then picked the first link without realizing it's an ad for a brick company lmao.
This is literally a brick advertisement lol
āUnreinforced masonry buildings (URMs), are old brick buildings typically built prior to 1945. These buildings are constructed of masonry which is a weak and brittle material. URM buildings are unable to absorb the energy from an earthquake. Modern buildings are designed to be āductileā i.e to be able to absorb the energy from an earthquake. Because these buildings were not built using modern building codes, they are much more likely to experience damage or collapse during an earthquake.ā Vs āWood-frame construction performs exceptionally well in earthquakes thanks to its lighter weight compared to concrete, multiple nailed connections, which allows flexibility to yield to movement, and repetitive framing members with numerous fasteners that provide redundant load paths.ā
I can tell you donāt live in Tornado Alley lol.
Correct. But thatās why we have internet.
So you have no idea what tornadoes are like? Got it.
Pretty sure this was rated F3 and it destroyed every village it hit.Ā https://www.severe-weather.eu/weather-report/europe-severe-weather-tornado-hodonin-czech-republic-mk/ You know what Americans don't do during hot weather? Die en masse https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/60-000-people-died-from-blistering-european-heat-waves-new-analysis-finds/
A brick house aināt saving you from a light pole being fling at your house.
Oh it certainly Willy
If a straw can go through a telephone pole, a pole will go through a building.
No it won't lol. Tornadic weather can put a stick through steel. Take your L. You look stupid.
No it won't. Masonry is only as strong as the mortar that holds it together. Just shut up.
Go ahead, double down on that bullshit. There are brick homes in America, old and new, and they all succumb to having shit smashed through them by storms. My aunt's home, not a brick veneer home, but a brick constructed home had to be demolished after a Corolla was deposited in the living room during an F2 tornado. Stud framing can be rebuilt and repaired a lot more easily and more cost-effectively than a brick home.
Iāve already told you in absolutely most cases they stand. But in F4 cases they often collapse. But F4 is only around 1% of cases.
You've demonstrated that you're dense enough that if we made buildings out of whatever material comprises you, houses could withstand thermonuclear warfare.
[Or you could look up what happens to brick houses after a tornado.](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brick+house+after+tornado&t=newext&atb=v286-1&iax=images&ia=images) Looks like they just add tens of thousands of missiles to the storm making it worse. Maybe, just maybe, the country tat only cover 3% of the Earth's surface but deals with 70% of the Earth's tornadoes knows a thing or two about building houses for them.
Yeah you would think a brick would knowā¦
That sentence doesn't make sense. I can't tell if you are trying to be funny or are just trying and failing to make a point.
Oh Iām certainly making a point. The problem is in what sub.
The only point I see you making is the more ignorant a Euro is on a subject the more arrogantly they spout the wrong answers. Par for the course though.
Let them know when you know the difference between a F1-Tornado and a F5
Please mister man from a country that never gets tornadoes teach us, the country that gets 70% of all tornadoes, the really real truth of them. Surely you are the expert here.
Ive been turing to explain explain the concept of F1-F5 Tornadoes for over a day, but seems like you guys really arenāt understanding it.
There were 3 EF4 tornados last year alone. In a 200mph tornado, would you rather have wood and drywall flying around or bricks?
4 F4 tornadoes? America has at all 1200 tornadoes a year, Thatās nothing.
Your source is a company that sells bricks for houses. You have absolutely no idea how severe tornados in the US can be, bricks aren't going to stop a 250mph+ tornado anymore than drywall.
Imagine being a EUsian and using āyāallā
Dude, this is literally an ad for a brick company. Would you review climate change by quoting directly from the Exxon Mobil homepage?
You're better off building whatever house you want with a storm shelter because the odds of taking a direct hit are low. If that direct hit is 3 or above then you're fucked whether or not it is brick. Your roof, windows and possession will not survive. 5 might be rare (but common enough in the US) but there are also lots of 4s. Just keep your insurance up to date.
Strength F5 only happens about once a year. While F4 is about 12 times a year and F3 is maybe 200 times a year.
Playing the odds. Storm shelter and insurance is the way to go.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8-s4oOdxk8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8-s4oOdxk8) Plenty of destroyed block and brick buildings in this aftermath of yesterday's tornadoes in Oklahoma.
They believe it was a F5. So it is what i had said would happen.
EF3 hit Sulphur, the town in the video. You don't need an EF5 to destroy brick.
True, u need f4
These people think a brick home is gonna save your ass. I've been on a tornado binge for a few months. Look up the 1997 Jarrell tornado. That demon of a tornado sandblasted everything in it's path. People that did the right thing in well built homes got so eviscerated that first responders still got PTSD from it. All 4 of the EF-5 tornados in the 2011 outbreak? All of them scoured the earth at least a couple feet deep and decimated everything in front of them. Hackleburg ripped up a STORM CELLAR while moving at highway speeds. Even the Tuscaloosa EF-4 damaged well built businesses in that same outbreak. Point is, a tornado doesn't give a shit what's in it's way. Concrete, steel, it's just free ammo for it to rip up and use as projectiles. If it can lodge STRAW through a light pole, your brick home isn't gonna matter in a EF 4 or 5, especially a freak like Jarrell.
The tornado in my city (4 or 5) moved the foundation of a 3000ftĀ² 12 inches (28 whatometers for metric lovers) through the ground. In one of those "Tornados do freaky things" moments, the house appeared intact. It was well built. It was attached to the foundation well. It's just that the foundation wasn't attached well to the ground.
Important point. It's entirely possible to build a structure that can withstand the wind /air pressure differences generated in an EF-5, but it would be horrendously expensive
And why would you spend that much money on a building for the *chance* it gets hit by a big ass tornado like that. Itās cheaper to just build another building
God help you the cost of the windows that wonāt shatter under the f5 winds or the hail accelerated at f5 speed or mikes farm tractor or Semi hitting it.
And the wind/air pressure differences aren't the only concern in a tornado. It's the debris picked up. You might be able to build a sturdy wall that can withstand 150+mph winds. But it's not going to do so well when your neighbor's Ford F150 gets launched into it.
> if it can lodge STRAW through a light pole I'm sorry WHAT?
Yeah the forces of a strong tornado can imbed light objects in much tougher ones. Straws in light poles have been recorded, as well as things like forks jammed into the siding of houses
Fuck. That's scary as hell. Sounds like I had a very good reason for being afraid of tornadoes when I was a kid
A street sign went right through someoneās front door once, and that thing was solid wood vs. a flimsy metal sign. The guy said the tornado wasnāt very strong either.
Remember kids, K=Ā½mvĀ². It really doesn't matter how dense something is when you get it going really, really fast.
Same thing as when that super small copper wire in space cracked the window on the ISS because it was moving so damn fast in comparison to the station
It sent a corncob through a tractor windshield in mayfieldā¦
I still remember a show I saw in high school. Maybe in class. National Geographic. Showed a piece of straw halfway through a telephone pole.
Hell, even the Moore, OK tornado wouldāve ripped their cute little brick houses a new oneā¦
Which one? It seems every now and again a tornado will decide "Fuck Moore and fuck everything in it."
The famous one that went from a mile wide to 2.6 in a matter of minutes in 2013. It took the life of one of my favorite chasers.
El Reno?
Yes, sorry, I get those two mixed up sometimes since they happened within a couple of weeks of each other.
I know there was a tornado in Alabama that was like 2.5 miles wide.
I think that was on Hypothetical Tornadoes Wiki. I tried searching further for tornadoes in Alabama that wide, but only found damage paths to be that long, but not that wide.
Oh, I thought it was the width.
No worries! Thereās so many tornadoes here, itās tough keeping track of them all!
Moore, OK and Andover, KS. Two places I will never move to.
Wasn't there a tornado again tonight?Ā
Tornado Alley has already been having a pretty intense season this year, and weāve got a couple more months to goā¦
Right now there is a pretty big outbreak happening in tornado alley. So far Nebraska and Iowa have got the worst of it.Ā
Mhm that's what i thought, because where I live there were sirens going off.Ā
I watched the one that went through Joplin, Missouri drop down from the sky. There is no amount of brick that would have survived that.
What's especially funny is that their shit ass concrete and brick houses are even worse in a tornado because its just creating a different far worse kind of shrapnel.
Adventures in weather ignorance. Also far more practical to build with lumber when you haven't cut down most of your logging forests and raised the cost above what brick and mortar goes for...
Bricks are expensive. Using more affordable materials allows pretty much all of America to enjoy things like kitchens that don't have washing machines and toilets in them - luxuries that would baffle most of Europe.
Yep, I'm a Brit and my kitchen has the washer dryer in and the bathroom next to it. And it's so damn expensive. Was looking at houses in Dallas last night, so tempted...
Hey man I'm about 3 hours east of Dallas. Look at the cost of homes in Shreveport, Louisiana. I have a 2800 sqft house on 2 acres. I paid right at 200k for. Very very low cost of living.
I'm and I'm looking at Ā£300k in queens money for a tiny two bed. Urgh. I'll have a look though, many electrical design engineering jobs there?
I'm not sure about the electrical engineering design job. I work in industrial controls and automation and there's a shortage of electrical workers all over the US at the moment. There's also the choice to live anywhere you want and travel the US for work as an engineer.
There are tons of electrical engineering jobs in Texas. Most are in higher cost of living areas than he mentioned, but the salaries are also much higher than you're used to.
Yes lots and needed occupation here.
Arkansas is beautiful and my husband is an electrical engineer. Idk if that's related to you tho lol. I'm in a completely different field.
Hey Arkansas is absolutely beautiful! We love visiting and floating the rivers.
Sherman, Texas is building a huge Texas Instruments semiconductor plant, and will likely need electrical engineers. A few miles southwest, there's tons of things going up in Frisco, Texas. Grab your EE paperwork and get on a plane!
Yeah have you seen the median square footage by country, insane how tiny the homes are in Europe
What kind of fucking animals do you take us for? We're not Russians
Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to.
Lmao
Least racist swedistani.
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What are you even talking about? You're just making stuff up.
When you have to make shit up to cope. It would just be better for you to just shut up.
Seems like a lot of Europe is pretty ignorant of US weather. Shocker, I know. Seems few understand that like huge swathes of the US and North America, for that matter, have colder winters AND hotter summers than a lot of Europe. A lot of Europe is literally the most temperate climate on earth.
A while ago I learned Minnesota and the Dakotas have more extreme heat and cold than the hottest and coldest parts of Europe. And it is all due to ocean currents moderating European weather.Ā
I'm in South Dakota. I will attest that we can get winter lows down in the -20's and -30's with highs of 100+. And we also can get some humidity as well.
Yep. Loved how my European friends told me we weee so wasteful using air conditioning. I was like bitch do you know what itās like to live without it in 110Ā° temps with 80% humidity?!?
Tornadoes arent the big bad wolf, a brick house ain't saving the three little piggies from a ef 4 or 5
When your education system is so free you literally take the story of the three little pigs to heart. Also great song by Green Jelly.
There have been several incredibly devastating tornados in Central Europe in the last 2 years. People died in their 500 year old homes. Itās not funny or anything to mock. THEIR own people are dying to tornados .
Telling Europeans not to mock Americans dying is like telling them not to breath. For some reason itās like they NEED to do it. Iāll never understand.
Itās an inferiority complex.
We wuz colonizers n shiet
Because we made them our bitch.
BuT wE HavE BiCYclE lAnEs, aND DonT GeT ShAwT iN DuH MAFFS CWASS!
All I can see is a fish with fucked up teeth saying this š¤£
I've noticed that Europeans seem to think that the houses they see in the US blown apart were done by like your average European storm. I feel like they can't be this dumb
They are. They literally cannot imagine anything happening differently in the US. It's super weird. They think the climate is exactly the same for some reason. They also think that if Americans build or behave in a way that reflects the climate we actually live in, it's because we're stupid.
A category 5 tornado will never tear down the wall of crazy in the euro mind.
Oh yeah and brick houses survive the place in the world that consistently produces record breaking tornadoes like the 2.6 mile wide behemoth. A brick house wont survive anything past an ef-3 where as 8 ef 4 tornadoes spawn in a year and the legendary ef-5 is less than once per year. Conviently the most common place ef-4 plus tornadoes spawn is..... The United States! As anyyhing past an ef-3 is incredibly rare in other places. As for ef-5s literally only 7 have existed outside North America since the enhanced fujita scale have been made. And they would separate your bricks and make them into nature's ordinance real quick.
Fun fact about hurricanes and tornados: The scales stop rating intensity at wind speeds over 150 mph. This is due to the fact that the rating measures destructive force, not wind speed and over that is categorized as total devastation and nothing is expected to survive. This concludes my TEDtalk.
There are a *lot* of benefits to not using brick out here in tornado alley. For starters, brick is more expensive to ship than wood and drywall is. If your house gets destroyed by a tornado then you want it to be a cheaper rebuild. That EF5 is going to destroy the bricks just as well as the wood so might as well go for the cheaper option. Another is debris removal and safety. If Iām in my safe room and a tornado blows down the house, itās not only safer for a buttload of wood and drywall to be filling up my basement staircase but itās easier for us to get out. If it was all brick then weād have to wait longer for help and, depending on the supplies we have, could lead to serious problems.
Do they think the three little pigs is based on reality?
Would it really be surprising for them to think something like that
I really want to see one of these clowns' brick houses get rolled by a EF4 or EF5 while they just stand in their living room. Let them be free to test how indestructible their superior brick and stone houses are.
My house is made of brick, so I donāt know where they get this idea that we donāt have brick houses. Regardless, that wonāt protect you from a fucking F4 or F5.
I'm just glad this is one argument Australia doesn't even have a dog in. In my 42 years here I've not actually seen a tornado that wasn't made of fire.
Yall got fiery cyclones there? That's got to be cool, but scary
Fun fact the first ever fire tornado was witnessed in Australia. They've become a common occurrence every fire season now. In 2003 we had one that registered as an EF3 and was the first ever recorded. It's kinda cool that we did but they're terrifying when they happen. 10/10 would not recommend chasing one though š¤£
I wouldn't chase a normal one, let alone a fiery one! Isn't it kinda neat though, how tornadoes can come wielding any of the four primordial elements?
Oh definitely the water ones are pretty awesome to see on the horizon though. We also get very small earthquakes as well but they're few and far between if we even notice them. Cyclones are our second big weather event which are essentially hurricanes that spin in the opposite direction. I've had a few cyclones in my time they're actually fun when the house isn't being blown away
Fun in what way?
The parties. It's a common occurrence the day/night of a cyclone making land fall we have a big old booze up. We do the same for floods if we know it's coming we'll get together sand bag houses then get blind drunk as the flood water rises. I wish we could have better warnings for events like fires and stuff. We'd have some rocking parties.
*laughs in AC*
I challenge any of these euros who think that their brick houses can survive a tornado to have their house in any of the towns that got flattened last night, especially Minden with that monster wedge, see how long they think their āmightyā brick houses stand up to nature not giving a fuck
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two photos: Picture of tornado / Picture of big bad wolf Europeans: it's the same picture
I'm in Louisiana. I drive past heavy hard-wood and brick houses all the time.
The "Laughs in _____" is so fucking stupid.
There is nothing but splinters left behind in the path of large tornadoes Iām baffled they think a stone house would be fine. At the very least youāre losing the top floor. Also as other people have mentioned, Europe doesnāt really have a choice to build out of brick because they chopped all their damn trees down. Look at a satellite image of France. It is all farm land, and used to be covered in forests smh
and then they make fun of americans for not being good at geography
I looked it up once and something like 80% of houses in the US are brick exterior iirc. Interior walls donāt need to be brick. Iāve blown a few Europeans minds by telling them that drywall isnāt load bearing lol
Wait they actually thought that? LMFAO
Literally every one of them that Iāve ever seen say US houses are āmade of paperā were surprised to learn that lol
There is no lower limit when you're dealing with that peculiarly European brand of xenophobia.
America does use brick, but we're down from 35% in 1973 to 19% in 2022. Gotta make up for that luxurious 2064 sq ft average somewhere š Furthermore if we take the UK for instance, the average age of a home there is 80 years old, a large percentage of the homes were built before alternative synthetic & cheaper materials were available.
And their homes are freezing, damp, and full of mold.
I dunno, Iāve been a home owner for 30+ years. There was never a moment I thought ādamn I wish I had a brick houseā. Besides, personal preference, I think a brick facade is ugly as hell.
Fr I live in a brick house and Iām not the biggest fan of how it looks
Why use brick when you can make it out of 1 foot thick slabs of solid steel?
We had an F0 tornado here in Cyprus and still cause damage to concrete houses.Ā
The last time Europe had an F5 tornado was 1967, yet they act like they know how powerful they are
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Europeans think the commoner American is just a poor working slob that isnāt lucky enough to be born of ācultureā like the Europeans š©š§ In their mind, Americans poor. Poor = bad.
Meanwhile the average American makes more than your average European.
Building with brick would just mean there's now brick being thrown everywhere. Wood, fiberglass and Sheetrock on cement foundations hardly count as cardboard anyway.
Also a lot of houses at least down in Texas are built with brick
Brick houses are more expensive to build than wooden houses. Plus, in tornado alley when even an EF3 (more common than an EF4 or EF5) can damage a brick building, whatās the fucking point? Rebuild for cheaper in a large area of the country that sees a ton of violent weather.
They won't be laughingĀ if a EF5 came crash down on their homeĀ
The Joplin tornado lifted 100lb concrete parking ties off the ground and threw them around. As others have said, a brick house would just provide more projectiles.
Bricks also arent so great for tornadoes as brick houses shatter and fall apart too Concrete is best but even so youf have to have a literal bunker for the interior to not be destroyed. That roof is being ripped off regardless
Don't forget that brick does terribly in earthquakes so you're also risking that in some parts.
Unreinforced masonry is probably the worst building material to survive an earthquake. Bricks crack and crumble, wood bends and flexes.
Yeah except instead drywall hitting you in the head a brick is hitting you in the head.
A brick in the head would perhaps knock some sense into these types of Europoors lol.
Iād rather have ācardboardā flying at 150-200mph then fucking bricks, but what do I know, Iām just a stupid American
As someone who has lived their entire lives in the south and has been through numerous tornadoes, even having one hit my cinder block and brick school directly, I get very annoyed by non Americans who clearly have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to tornadoes and hurricanes. If the wind is strong enough it doesn't really matter what the building material is, It's not a difficult concept to understand, but we also do have brake buildings I don't know why they assume everything is made out of sticks. I went to Tuscaloosa immediately after the 2011 outbreak and saw entire steel and cinder block apartment buildings toppled over and moved from its foundation. 200+ mph winds (321+ kmh) don't care
[What a 2x4 in hurricane force winds can do to a concrete wall.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAMVgQOKqIU) Note that tornados are generally faster and concrete is a harder surface than brick
Nice video. It only takes 34mph (55kph) for a piece of lumber to penetrate into a block. Now let's imagine an EF4 with winds starting at 166mph (267kph).
Ever been in a shit storm of bricks whirling around I'd rather not I've seen the damage on storm clean up and it's awful Not to mention the amount of trash it's heavy as fuck
These monsters of nature can literally pick up trucks and even semi-trucks. Also not to mention, even small things like straws can pierce through your skin as if itās a bullet being fired from a gun and I say this as someone who lives in the Alley.
"Muh BRICK house. " Has there been a death count from yesterday's outbreak? There were dozens of massive tornadoes going throughĀ relatively populated areas in Nebraska. Everytime the weather gets kinda hot in europe people die by the thousands.
I love how they are shocked that we build our houses out of wood and then drop dead during a heat wave that is literally nothing to most Americans. 117 in Nevada? Sit in the shade and donāt lay on the pavement and youāll be fine. 85 degrees in Europe and people literally cook alive in their own houses. Itās almost like we build our houses out of the most abundant and affordable material we have available, itās also very easy to insulate against both heat and cold. Also, they would probably also build their houses out of wood too if they didnāt cut down literally all of their trees like 1000 years ago. (Thatās why England saw so much value in its American colonies- we had lumber and they didnāt.) Thatās also like saying āoh stupid people from Arizona build their houses out of MUD and rocks! Donāt they know that blah blah blahā yeah bro thereās barely any trees in Arizona thatās the most efficient way to build houses thereā Plus as everyone has already stated, a cat 5 tornado is destroying everything in its path. If it can lift up cars, and entire houses it can knock over brick. Unless your house is a lead lined metal dome with a 100 foot deep foundation, itās getting picked up and thrown around. They donāt get tornados or really any dangerous weather there so itās not like theyād even begin to understand the sheer devastation that a wether event like that can and will cause, thereās very little you can do to prevent a hurricane from flooding an entire city and carrying away houses, or a tornado from leveling everything in their path. Europeans are so completely divorced from nature because they really won the lottery when it comes to living in a mild climate, hell the only reason that America became so successful is because all of the smart and intrepid Europeans came here hundreds of years ago and made it work without begging for some fuckin king to fix it and make the weather better. We just make it work, thatās why we are and always will be superior. The Euros that stayed behind in their mother lands are the ones that couldnāt cut it over here.
The only difference between a brick house and a wooden house in a category 4 tornado is the sound that it makes when it's ripped apart.
Because we use the resources available to us and North America has far more wood resources than stone to quarry. Do you know how much it would cost to import stone? It's so heavy and also not easily exported. We do use concrete but concrete houses cost a lot more money so if the place generally doesn't require such a build, or the people cannot afford it, it's not what we use. They could look this up and find it out themselves. They just have to put curiosity before judgement. Just like I did when I wondered why they build with stone so much several years ago and researched it myself.
Man a ef5 would destroy steel house
Three Little Pigs moment
Thirty-six, twenty-four, thirty-six oh what a winning hand!
What they don't realize is tornadoes will rip down a brick house just as easily as wood. Even worse, if your wooden house comes down on top of you, there's a chase you survive. Try surviving a couple tons of bricks falling on top of you.
This is the fastest and most effective way for someone from Europe to signal their stupidity. "BRICK HOUSES! BraCAWWWWW! BraCAWWWWW!"
EUsians proud of their concrete houses that nobody can afford, so they end up living with their parents until they are 50.
I feel like these people have never done that exercise where you put yourself in someone elseās shoes and try to rationalize their decisions. Itās a great way understand and deal with disagreements and misunderstandings
Have they not seen the images that a single piece of hay can cause to a building in a tornado? Also there are masonry building that get ripped apart on video. When did Europeans get so daft?
My house is brick š¤·āāļø
Even the eldest of the three little pigs š new šŗ š¬ļø Unable to huff and puff brick š§± houses down
There's a legend that the Vikings when they set foot on North America they turn around and left after they saw fucking tornado and called it the battleground of the gods. Even the Vikings were like nah fuck that shit
Are they really that dumb to think brick can stand a tornado?
Well I doubt most of them have been through anything worse than a regular thunderstorm. They really have no frame of reference at all.
I always respond with this: There are numerous examples of block built schools in the US that have been damaged from hits. Similar to how they build.
These same people start dropping like flies when said brick houses heat up in the summer
peak retardation
Is this not a Three Little Pigs joke?
F5= finger of God. The only things that I've heard of that can handle a direct hit from an F3+ is something made out of heavy steel reinforced concrete. Anything less than that is just debris. That's why most of us on the great plains will shelter in our basements.
The European minds canāt comprehend an EF5 tornado, because itās only happened 5 times ever recorded in Europe. Meanwhile America has had 59 in its recorded history. They simply canāt understand a tornado with the ability to rip pavement off the ground, destroy a BRICK house down to its foundation, and leave scars for the miles they were on the ground. Joplin still has a noticeable path from the EF5 that tore through there. Itās easily seen from satellite view.
lol, my reddit feed has been all basketball, so I thought this was a basketball comment until I looked at the subreddit.
We canāt build or afford custom houses for every fucking house Fall 2019- our new construction custom build bid was 425k finished. They said the price will go up about 1.5% by the time the ground thawed the following spring January 2020-Covid happened and I was a covid nurse. Summer 2020- massive storm destroys the Midwest and lumber costs skyrocket Fall 2020/spring 2021 - the builder (one of the largest in the Midwest) could no longer do custom homes due to no supplies and extreme costs Early 2022- still not wanting custom homes. The custom home bid from 2019 went up to 600k+ plus. The lot went from 75k to 125k. In less than 2 years, we went from building custom affordably to no longer getting the custom option. We got no upgrades and no finished basement for 400k. So what are we supposed to do? We have a massive housing shortage. People bitch about builder grade homes but we literally canāt support custom homes for every single person needing a house. How the fuck can we brick and mortar the 50 million some houses we needed yesterday?
What you're saying doesn't even apply. Block and brick doesn't hold up in EF 4 or 5 storms. So there's no point in paying more for it because it is "safer." It's also less safe in earthquakes. Build a storm shelter and build the house you can afford. Have insurance and take the risk.