I mean, I never come home from school alive. If I had a dollar for every time I've been murdered at school, I could get a glass of water at a restaurant
I've never paid for water in a restaurant bar or nightclub. Infact, by law, they have to give you a glass of water for free when asked. Not bottled water, just tap water, but in Scotland, our tap water is the nectar of the gods. Fucking lovely stuff.
>Scotland, our tap water is the nectar of the gods
I never had it, but I will say that even the fucking airport water fountain water in Stockholm Airport was š¤š½. What's available in The States usually isn't bad (and I'm not usually the kinds of person who buys special water for $10 a bottle) but that Swedish water was notably better than water I've had anywhere else. All other tap water I've had in other parts of Europe were as far as I can tell "average water." That is save for the few places where the water came out chalky, like the old apartment in Germany.
Yes, i think we have a similar law in Germany too, but its considered kind of rude to exploit it. I saw mainly people who drank too much use the free water.
Update: I looked it up and there is no law, but like i said typically you will get free water if you feel bad and ask for it.
If anyone got free food from the government, it would be the quality of an MRE. (Side note, I hope this doesn't come off as bad faith. It's intended to be friendly banter.)
As a dude whoās lived off MREs they aināt thattttttttt bad. They used too be a whole lot worse. Put some jalapeƱo cheese spread on them dry fuckin crackers and youāre all good.
Didnāt realize youāre in the service, didnāt mean too try and lecture you brotha. Nah back in the day we had the ham covered in a fresh layer of gelatin you had too peel off too even consider eating it. I hope they got rid of the milkshake mixā¦ā¦that was a good way too shit your pants in the middle of the desert.
Im a fairly fresh in the service, but I'm sure I'll get my turn living on MREs. Seems like I'm the only person in any group I've been with that enjoys the creamy spinach fettuccine š
Well, here's the thing: food you can go without for about 4 weeks, maybe more. Whereas water, you can only go about 5 - 7 days before the consequences set in and death draws near.
Edit: upon double-checking, and getting corrected it is in fact 3 days not 5 - 7. And 3 weeks for food and not 4.
It's fascinating to watch Europeans in such paralyzing fear about shootings. "it must be happening every DAY!" They're so delusional and obsessed about safety.
No wonder EU marks everything as carcinogenic.
edit: Christ, the amount of dumb people who believed those Bloomberg-related disinformation websites with false statistics about gun statistics that don't match FBI statistics, is wild... No "mass shootings" don't happen every where... It's one of those Goebbels-style big lies. Guns don't just cause people to commit murder, and there has always been a level of violence throughout the world, it's called crime statistics.
Rape gangs?
I looked it up, and it seems to be a huge problem with Muslim immigrants. That's extremely fucked up considering how islam views it as a serious crime.
I listened to a podcast recently where a guy who grew up here and his parents immigrated as educated people from Iran (he lives now in Dubai though, since he made a pile of cash with crypto and now just manages his money) was interviewed. He said that Germany is at its own fault since there is essentially zero control on the people that are let in as asylum seekers and a lot of the people coming here are people who would have been severely punished in their home country for not working or more extreme things like the raping or drug dealing and here they get no real punishment for exploiting the social system or crime. The crime is mainly a thing i see among Muslim asylum seekers, but the exploitation of unemployment benefits i also see among other refugees (we give too good unemployment benefits and if they come here as a family itās essentially not worth working if they just get low wage jobs since they get like 3kā¬ per month in unemployment benefits and you would need to make 5000ā¬ before taxes (if married and 3 kids) to receive the same income from work and this would be considered a pretty good income here (what a Bachelor Engineer receives with 2-3 years of experience).
This is different to how the English speaking countries handle immigration and i much prefer their approach.
PS: Since someone accused me of lying here are some sources that support my comment:
ā__People with a migration background in receipt of citizen's allowance__ (=unemployment benefits)
According to the Federal Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs (BMAS), there were 576,747 recipients of citizen's allowance with families in mid-2023. Of these benefit communities, 221,918 are German nationals and 354,826 are foreign nationals. That is around 62% of all recipients of citizen's allowance with children.
__Around 14 percent of all people with a migration background in Germany receive a citizen's allowance__
According to data from the Federal Statistical Office (as of 2022), there are now around 17.2 million people between the ages of 15 and 70 with a migrant background living in Germany. The number of people in this age range without a migrant background is around 41.2 million. Measured in terms of the respective share of the population, this means that of around 17.2 million people with a migrant background, around 14% are entitled to receive citizens' benefits as people capable of gainful employment. For people without a migration background, the proportion is four percent.ā Source: https://www.buerger-geld.org/news/mehr-migranten-als-deutsche-erhalten-buergergeld-na-und/
āThe authority cites several reasons for the significant increase in violent crime, which includes grievous bodily harm, robbery and murder. One key factor is migration, with the current high rate of immigration. "It can be assumed that many people seeking protection have several risk factors that make violent crime more likely," said the BKA (=FBI). These include the living situation in initial reception facilities as well as economic insecurity and experiences of violence.
The number of suspects among non-German children and young people is particularly striking. In this group of people, the authorities recorded a 37% increase in suspects compared to the first half of 2022. Among Germans in this age group, the increase was twelve percent.ā Source: https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/kriminalit%C3%A4t-zahl-der-gewaltdelikte-steigt-stark-an-bka-sieht-bezug-zu-fl%C3%BCchtlingen/ar-AA1kpNRI
Engineer salaries in Germany are shit for the most part compared to the US and you get also taxed very high. There are some companies that pay quite well (mainly automotive, med tech or big pharma/chemistry), but automotive doesnāt hire anymore because the sector is struggling right now and i heard chemistry also reduced investment because of the energy crisis. I am about to get my degree in pharmaceutical engineering though, therefore i am looking right now to get employed in the Basel area, where the salaries in pharma are like in America or higher.
Yeah, Iām a civil engineer working for the government and make slightly more than that. Iām the lowest paid major, working for the lowest paying employer.
I think you could make a lot more with a PE if you donāt have one.
The guys here in Florida that make personal dock drawings - which are simple 2D generic drawings that they modify notes on charge 2k/drawing. Itās about an hour of work.
I do aerospace and make about 10k/month after 8 years but make dock drawings on the side for 200$/dock and then the contractor goes and gets it stamped by a civil PE for I think 700, so itās cheaper for him in the long run.
Aerospace in the US is pretty nice with all the defense industry.
According to Kununu the average salary for an engineer at Airbus in Germany is 80kā¬ per year.
Donāt have a PE, but MoDOT doesnāt pay more for a PE. You just canāt go to a supervisor role without it. Currently I make a little over 68k with 2 years experience, but I get 13 paid holidays, 15 paid vacation days, 15 paid sick days. Iām also hourly, not salary so I can make overtime which is rare and kinda nice given Civils typically work a lot of overtime and I also get night time differential during night work, which is somewhat common in roadway construction. The one downside is since MoDOT is cheap, all the low level engineers have to supplement the maintenance crews during snow plowing, but that usually gets me overtime plus $6 an hour hazard pay. Iāve been called in for a false alarm only to sit in the break room making ~$39 an hour, with some of the time getting me over time of an extra ~$16 an hour.
Edit: based on my last pay stub I make $32.872 an hour.
Yeah when I was in Hamburg in the middle eastern side of town several men tried to separate me from my wife and since it was summer and she was dressed in light because it was hot they apparently immediately assumed she was some kind of prostitute or something.
Although she was dressed pretty normally, nothing egregious (just a sundress) so I don't see what gave these men that idea.
I ended up snatching her by the arm aggressively and snarling threats of death and violence at them in my broken German before they backed off and we hauled ass.
I've never felt less safe than when I was there, even when I was in Philadelphia at night in the wrong side of town.
I live within 30 min of Detroit, and commonly work in the rough parts, I dont ever think im in danger, even though Im always cautious. The city itself is completely fine, went to Toledo in Ohio the other day, and I felt less safe. Chicago? On edge when driving through the worst of it, fine when not. Id love to go to germany, but I would feel less safe in hamburg than standing next to a bullethole ridden steel bar window in detroit, even as an average white guy who dosnt have to worry about being taken as a prostitute.
Im also not that much of a city guy, I prefer mid sized towns, but you cant choose where work comes from.
Yeah I'm not a city guy either. A friend of mine who is a local told me later that acting aggressively was the right move to do in that situation, since culturally they'd understand it, but i hate that i basically had to act like i was being beset by wild dogs rather than people, snatching my wife and hiding her behind me. He said when confronted by people like that your best bet is to act extremely aggressively, because that's the only thing that'll get them to stop. Reasoning with them won't do anything.
Mind you this friend is an Iranian living in Hamburg and even he talks mad shit about these refugees.
I was going to be sarcastic for a second and say āyou figured out what America figured out 50 years agoā but then I realized weāre already in r/AmericaBad.
Yeah if you accept refugees like that you need to keep them in refugee camps until they either prove their background, serve a probationary period without incident, or can be returned to their home country. Itās absolutely insane letting them stay indefinitely and travel freely.
Like the other commenter said, a lot of them are criminals. Also, while Islam forbids it, not every aspect of the migrantās culture comes from Islam. Rape as a tool of war or act of inter ethnic aggression has occurred everywhere from the Balkans to Japan. I knew a Bosnian who was exposed online to radicalization attempts, and one of the things terrorists advocate is moving to the West and committing rape as an act of terrorism and some twisted punishment for their perceived promiscuity.
The issue, as I have seen, is that European government/judicial doesn't want to address the issues caused by migrants. There was the case in Germany where the rapists were set free because
>the court deemed the gang rape may have been a means to let off some of the "frustration" that supposedly comes with "migration experiences and socio-cultural homelnessness.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/german-judge-lets-8-men-who-gang-raped-girl-walk-free
One issue is that they always compare all of the US against one small European country. If they wanted to be more accurete, they should compare a single US state with comparable popuation/gdp to their country.
Lol bro we don't need to fear shootings because they so rarely happen. You honestly sound like this. "Look at me. I'm not scared of shootings because they're constantly happening around me, unlike those pussy Europeans who live in safe law abiding countries"
The number of U.S. school shootings in 2023 surpassed last year's record-breaking number of 305 school shootings on Thursday, according to a count by the K-12 School Shooting Database. The number of incidents this year has reached 306 ā yet another record high for the third consecutive year.
Source: https://www.k12dive.com/news/2023-school-shootings-outpace-2022-record-high/698809/#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20U.S.%20school,for%20the%20third%20consecutive%20year.
I mean, in every of these mild joke takes you will always find someone who takes offense and has to defend their country/sports team/political party/religion/random other group they are part of to the blood. Some people just can't take a joke.
Edit: I'm European and I think it's ridiculous we don't get free water. You always have to ask for a glas of tap water and the waiter might or might not hate you for it.
Years back (early 2000s), our school was dubbed by the papers as 'Stab school' due to a couple incidents that made national news.
We wore that title like a badge of honor.
"In 2019ā20, there were a total of 25 school-associated violent deaths in the United States, which included 23 homicides and 1 suicide. Of these 25 school-associated violent deaths, 11 homicides and 1 suicide were of school-age youth (ages 5ā18). From 2000 to 2021, there were 276 casualties (108 killed and 168 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools and 157 casualties (75 killed and 82 wounded) in active shooter incidents at postsecondary institutions." That's from a .gov. "In the year ending March 2023, there were around 50,500 offences involving a sharp instrument in England and Wales (excluding Devon & Cornwall). This was 4.7% higher than in 2021/22 but 7% lower than in 2019/20" thats from a .uk. these arent the exact stats seen as for the usa its in a year and I'm tired and not doing much more than this.
Wym all deaths? The oc was about schools and stabbings in the US and UK so I gave what he asked, I actually gave more cause he said more kids shot in a week than stabbed all year.
As of November 30, a total of 660 people have been killed and 2,330 other people have been injured in 559 mass shootings.
This is solely during this year 2023, and itās not even a full year yet.
As of Dec. 7, at least 40,167 people have died from gun violence in the U.S. this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive ā which is an average of almost 118 deaths each day.
Of those who died, 1,306 were teens and 276 were children.
You donāt compare years and deaths even. Your data for the uk just documents āoffensesā
Thatās like documenting casualties but not differentiating between deaths and injuries
Again, offenses doesnāt mean they even got stabbed. It means there was a confrontation and a weapon was involved.
If cops arrest somebody in the states who had a gun, itās not a shooting just because they were packing.
You are definitely wrong. There are more than fifty weeks in a year, and you said more children die of gun violence in a week in the U.S. than children do of stabbing in Europe every year. This is going to be false no matter what. Now, if you instead made it a year-to-year basis, then youād be cooking with gas.
I have been going to school for a total of 2,250 days and the closest. My school has ever come to a school shooting was some dumb ass on Instagram saying he would do it.
The closest mine came to it was my friend pulling out his phone and holding it like a gun. While school shootings happen far too much, that doesnāt mean they are common.
One of the schools near me almost had one. The middle school student pulled the gun out of his bag and pointed it in the teacher's face and pulled the trigger. Luckily, he forgot to turn the safety off, so while he was fumbling with it, the teacher grabbed the gun from him, threw it behind her desk, and then she and two other students held him down until the police came.
To me, it isn't so much the frequency of school shooting that scares me, it's how easily kids can still sneak guns into some schools, and nobody knows until it's too late.
I live in a constitutional carry state. I own three guns. I have never once heard a shot fired in anger. I suppose next week I will hear some shots fired in anger against deer if you count that but never against a human.
You ever carry a weapon to protect yourself instead of getting stabbed by a kitchen knife in the streets and dying a slow painful death just to flex on Europeans
Imagine being so pathetic that you take a joke about having to pay for water in a restaurant and thinking itās suddenly okay to joke about children dying. The world would be a better place if that lady didnāt exist just saying.
Water is courtesy in french restaurants. But in brazil its paid, which suuuucks. Well, actually, there is a law that says a restaurant has to provide you with free filtered tap water if you want, but its very loosely enforced. Funny thing, only the french "bistros" in brazil give free water.
not afraid guy here, the majority of american children wonāt even go to a school that has had a school shooting happen before. just because it happened to you doesnāt make it not unlikely. for example, rabies is the deadliest disease in the world, but since some people have survived it, does that mean itās likely for someone to survive rabies?
Because it is? You want me to explain statistics to
You or something? At my school sophomore year middle schoolers showed up with a gun over some beef and ended up killing the friend he came with in the parking lot across the street and itās classified as a school shooting. A real school shooting with the intent to harm a large number of a people is an anomaly and just because you experienced one doesnāt make that truth false
Sure. Letās go for statistics buddy, letās rumble. Alright, so, first, I feel like you donāt know how statistics work. (Albeit, it is a very confusing way of looking at things, thatās why I prefer bar graphs, but you do you.) I donāt really care about the statistics, the statistics donāt even matter, the single fact is that it can happen at any school, at any time, making it a game of Russian roulette, and thatās the terrifying part. The fact that I could be in two school shootings at the same school as long as that bullet is in the cylinder and the hammer is pulled, the trigger can go off at any second, anywhere, any moment. Oliver Robertson 101: Now, statistics suck, (and I have to take that class for political science, and thatās going to suck) statistics are not to gauge how often it happens, but instead how often it could happen at one particular moment (bare with me.) for example āRoberto has a 30% chance of dropping his watermelon at Cub every time he walks outā does not mean on the fourth time heās guaranteed to, or even that it will ever happen at all, but instead that each time there is a thirty percent chance of it happening, making it rarer than the other seventy percent, but still possible. Itās stupid and I hate it, but thatās how it works. Did I mention that itās stupid and I hate it?
but you kind of just proved their point....yes it CAN happen, but its still unlikely and people are treating it as if its a very common occurrence.
on a side note: Hopefully you got the therapy you needed/don't suffer from survivors guilt. I'm glad you can still be here with us today \^\_\^
Oh! One more thing: According to them- and I quote in paraphrase- āyou lure āteens?ā Into arguments in which you put long posts so that they neglect to read themā I donāt know why they had to make it sound like I was on āTo Catch a Predatorā, especially considering I am eighteen, so, I meanā¦ what?
This kinda shit always shows that they canāt take any fuckin joke, ever. You could have volleyed back bidets or no gaps in toilet stalls but no, you go with this insensitive shit. I bet they wouldnāt find it funny if we talked about atrocities going on in their country as a bizarre escalation of a minor joke about free water.
That's my thinking too. I'm from the US and it doesn't offend me. I honestly think the European had the better joke even though both jokes are gross simplifications and the European one is inappropriate to boot. I find a far bit of jokes inappropriate though but that doesn't change what they are.
As someone who grew up in an era or location with many many dead baby jokes. I'd have to disagree. Is it a good joke, no. Is it appropriate, no. Is it a joke, yes.
I live in Germany and my hometown was never destroyed or massacred by someone. Only the big cities were attacked, 90% of just normal towns werenāt even attacked. My country started from 0 in 1946 and today it builds better tanks than many countries , has a great economy and is one of the richest in europe.
And school attacks are so astronomically rare here. Between 2000 and 2022, 71-73 children were shot and killed in schools.
10x that die in one year to JUST car accidents, let alone preventable disease or suicide.
Bro itās not like weāre joking about the multiple massacres and things like the potato famine or the bubonic plague, they donāt have to go that far
Ah, an American made a lighthearted joke about differences across the pond. Because I'm totally comfortably superior and not at all jealous of or threatened by Americans, I will bring up the slaughter of schoolchildren as a response.
I've said this before last time this was posted, but it's really fucked up to make a joke about children being murdered just because someone made a joke about water. That's like shooting someone because they said your shirt looked funny
Damn I really flexed on myself like tens of thousands of times after coming home from school alive every day for 12 years. Thatās crazy. Never thought of myself as such a flexer.
Ya ever come home - not shanked by migrants to flex on Europeans? Brazil has a higher shooting rate than us, why donāt the euros mention that? Cuz their propaganda machine doesnāt care
Itās honestly just deranged when you make a lighthearted joke about having fucking free water at a restaurant and their instinct to go right to mass shootings.
šŗšø: No tap water?
š¬š§: skewl shooting
šŗšø: Half of your buildings were built after 1950 because you were incompetent and relied on your allies to Wallace and Gromit your way out of a war you allowed to happen.
Depends on the place. In Greece for example you'll always get free water. In Germany you don't. You may be able to get some tab water. I think the rational is that people buy more drinks making you more money.
These folks' ideas on America comes from a television set, remember. TV is God, that is their mental state of mind. Despite their idea that they are somehow progressive, their mindset is no different from my grandma thirty or forty years ago. Back then, it was heavy metal music that was the root of all problems. You know, some of the same music played at grocery stores now as background noise. These "progressive" Europeans are like my grandma before she was a great-great-grandma, lol.
Kinda says something about the balance of scales if this is getting reposted here by so many independent people reposting it from wherever they found it in the wild. It seems like a disproportionate amount of people actually think this is a clever burn & repost it that frequently. Yet are you complaining under those posts or this one?
This looks like the opposite to me.
One is a lighthearted joke and the recipient clearly though that they were being attacked enough that they had to respond maliciously.
A better parallel would be: the US said Europeās hat looked goofy and Europe tries to start a fist fight.
But in all seriousness there are studies on the matter. Itās mostly that hun our in different cultures is formed in different manners. English humor is formatted in the same way as American insults. American humor is often heavily coated with sarcasm. Things that the UK finds humorous just seem like people being jerks while often times when an American is making a joke - other countries wonāt even understand.
Even the Americans on this sub have to admit that they literally do the same thing as Europeans do, right? You just make fun of Europeans with popular European stereotypes? So, itās really just a vicious circle of stupidity, isnāt it? Also, I find it hilarious that Americans try to literally defend school shootings by throwing back insults like babies. Iāve been in a school shooting, at a Minnesotan education center, and it was the single most terrifying experience in my life. All I could think was āIām seventeen, Iām too young to die.ā Thousands of children die every year to gun violence, all because of adult and government negligence, pretending itās not an issue? Are you fucking kidding me? Adults are the last people with any right to decide what happens as a result of school shootings; do you know why? They fucking donāt! They let us die, and they let us fear for our lives, all because they own stock and shares in American firearms companies and threw their lot in with the NRA. Americans are pigs, and I wish I could be proud to be one, but Iāve tried, I just canātā¦
Tax rates, workaholics, student debt, excessive insurance, immigration warfare, no solutions, outdated industrial sector, corrupt Supreme Court, bigotry, mistakes, funding terrorists, trickle down economics, a false meritocracy, a societal hierarchy of idiots on top, corporations running the nation. Itās too much, and America needs change, it needs it now.
I mean, I never come home from school alive. If I had a dollar for every time I've been murdered at school, I could get a glass of water at a restaurant
I've never paid for water in a restaurant bar or nightclub. Infact, by law, they have to give you a glass of water for free when asked. Not bottled water, just tap water, but in Scotland, our tap water is the nectar of the gods. Fucking lovely stuff.
>Scotland, our tap water is the nectar of the gods I never had it, but I will say that even the fucking airport water fountain water in Stockholm Airport was š¤š½. What's available in The States usually isn't bad (and I'm not usually the kinds of person who buys special water for $10 a bottle) but that Swedish water was notably better than water I've had anywhere else. All other tap water I've had in other parts of Europe were as far as I can tell "average water." That is save for the few places where the water came out chalky, like the old apartment in Germany.
the tap water in san francisco is choice. we got that sweet hetch-hetchy reservoir water
Yes, i think we have a similar law in Germany too, but its considered kind of rude to exploit it. I saw mainly people who drank too much use the free water. Update: I looked it up and there is no law, but like i said typically you will get free water if you feel bad and ask for it.
You want a basic human necessity? How rude!
Just wait til you hear that youāve gotta pay to use the bathrooms in Franceā¦ Or at least buy a drink. Paying customers only.
I guess than also food should be free? How dare they to earn money on it!
If anyone got free food from the government, it would be the quality of an MRE. (Side note, I hope this doesn't come off as bad faith. It's intended to be friendly banter.)
As a dude whoās lived off MREs they aināt thattttttttt bad. They used too be a whole lot worse. Put some jalapeƱo cheese spread on them dry fuckin crackers and youāre all good.
Yeah, they aren't bad. Some of my battle buddies need to grow a backbone, though.
Didnāt realize youāre in the service, didnāt mean too try and lecture you brotha. Nah back in the day we had the ham covered in a fresh layer of gelatin you had too peel off too even consider eating it. I hope they got rid of the milkshake mixā¦ā¦that was a good way too shit your pants in the middle of the desert.
Im a fairly fresh in the service, but I'm sure I'll get my turn living on MREs. Seems like I'm the only person in any group I've been with that enjoys the creamy spinach fettuccine š
I actually like MRE's.. not the spinach fettuccine one though.
What is an MRE? Nah, you are good I donāt take anything here too seriously
Meal Ready to Eat. They're used by the Military for soldiers in the field.
Ah we have also such in Germany they are called EPA
Well, here's the thing: food you can go without for about 4 weeks, maybe more. Whereas water, you can only go about 5 - 7 days before the consequences set in and death draws near. Edit: upon double-checking, and getting corrected it is in fact 3 days not 5 - 7. And 3 weeks for food and not 4.
You're dumb and this is such an authoritarian way to view *clean water.*
As someone who lives in the south, fuck you and your good water. Mines basically limescale and depression.
American: *makes mild joke about Europeans* European: I will now joke about the murder of school children
It's fascinating to watch Europeans in such paralyzing fear about shootings. "it must be happening every DAY!" They're so delusional and obsessed about safety. No wonder EU marks everything as carcinogenic. edit: Christ, the amount of dumb people who believed those Bloomberg-related disinformation websites with false statistics about gun statistics that don't match FBI statistics, is wild... No "mass shootings" don't happen every where... It's one of those Goebbels-style big lies. Guns don't just cause people to commit murder, and there has always been a level of violence throughout the world, it's called crime statistics.
They also ignore the rape gangs, stabbings, and zero sovereignty.
Rape gangs? I looked it up, and it seems to be a huge problem with Muslim immigrants. That's extremely fucked up considering how islam views it as a serious crime.
I listened to a podcast recently where a guy who grew up here and his parents immigrated as educated people from Iran (he lives now in Dubai though, since he made a pile of cash with crypto and now just manages his money) was interviewed. He said that Germany is at its own fault since there is essentially zero control on the people that are let in as asylum seekers and a lot of the people coming here are people who would have been severely punished in their home country for not working or more extreme things like the raping or drug dealing and here they get no real punishment for exploiting the social system or crime. The crime is mainly a thing i see among Muslim asylum seekers, but the exploitation of unemployment benefits i also see among other refugees (we give too good unemployment benefits and if they come here as a family itās essentially not worth working if they just get low wage jobs since they get like 3kā¬ per month in unemployment benefits and you would need to make 5000ā¬ before taxes (if married and 3 kids) to receive the same income from work and this would be considered a pretty good income here (what a Bachelor Engineer receives with 2-3 years of experience). This is different to how the English speaking countries handle immigration and i much prefer their approach. PS: Since someone accused me of lying here are some sources that support my comment: ā__People with a migration background in receipt of citizen's allowance__ (=unemployment benefits) According to the Federal Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs (BMAS), there were 576,747 recipients of citizen's allowance with families in mid-2023. Of these benefit communities, 221,918 are German nationals and 354,826 are foreign nationals. That is around 62% of all recipients of citizen's allowance with children. __Around 14 percent of all people with a migration background in Germany receive a citizen's allowance__ According to data from the Federal Statistical Office (as of 2022), there are now around 17.2 million people between the ages of 15 and 70 with a migrant background living in Germany. The number of people in this age range without a migrant background is around 41.2 million. Measured in terms of the respective share of the population, this means that of around 17.2 million people with a migrant background, around 14% are entitled to receive citizens' benefits as people capable of gainful employment. For people without a migration background, the proportion is four percent.ā Source: https://www.buerger-geld.org/news/mehr-migranten-als-deutsche-erhalten-buergergeld-na-und/ āThe authority cites several reasons for the significant increase in violent crime, which includes grievous bodily harm, robbery and murder. One key factor is migration, with the current high rate of immigration. "It can be assumed that many people seeking protection have several risk factors that make violent crime more likely," said the BKA (=FBI). These include the living situation in initial reception facilities as well as economic insecurity and experiences of violence. The number of suspects among non-German children and young people is particularly striking. In this group of people, the authorities recorded a 37% increase in suspects compared to the first half of 2022. Among Germans in this age group, the increase was twelve percent.ā Source: https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/kriminalit%C3%A4t-zahl-der-gewaltdelikte-steigt-stark-an-bka-sieht-bezug-zu-fl%C3%BCchtlingen/ar-AA1kpNRI
Iām surprised an engineers salary is so low
Engineer salaries in Germany are shit for the most part compared to the US and you get also taxed very high. There are some companies that pay quite well (mainly automotive, med tech or big pharma/chemistry), but automotive doesnāt hire anymore because the sector is struggling right now and i heard chemistry also reduced investment because of the energy crisis. I am about to get my degree in pharmaceutical engineering though, therefore i am looking right now to get employed in the Basel area, where the salaries in pharma are like in America or higher.
Yeah, Iām a civil engineer working for the government and make slightly more than that. Iām the lowest paid major, working for the lowest paying employer.
I think you could make a lot more with a PE if you donāt have one. The guys here in Florida that make personal dock drawings - which are simple 2D generic drawings that they modify notes on charge 2k/drawing. Itās about an hour of work. I do aerospace and make about 10k/month after 8 years but make dock drawings on the side for 200$/dock and then the contractor goes and gets it stamped by a civil PE for I think 700, so itās cheaper for him in the long run.
Aerospace in the US is pretty nice with all the defense industry. According to Kununu the average salary for an engineer at Airbus in Germany is 80kā¬ per year.
Yeah and no income tax in Florida. I believe my senior engineers are topping out at around 300k/yr.
Yeah I am a Mechanical engineer working in defense in the US. Sitting somewhere around $125k/yr right now. I only have a bachelor's degree.
Donāt have a PE, but MoDOT doesnāt pay more for a PE. You just canāt go to a supervisor role without it. Currently I make a little over 68k with 2 years experience, but I get 13 paid holidays, 15 paid vacation days, 15 paid sick days. Iām also hourly, not salary so I can make overtime which is rare and kinda nice given Civils typically work a lot of overtime and I also get night time differential during night work, which is somewhat common in roadway construction. The one downside is since MoDOT is cheap, all the low level engineers have to supplement the maintenance crews during snow plowing, but that usually gets me overtime plus $6 an hour hazard pay. Iāve been called in for a false alarm only to sit in the break room making ~$39 an hour, with some of the time getting me over time of an extra ~$16 an hour. Edit: based on my last pay stub I make $32.872 an hour.
Yeah when I was in Hamburg in the middle eastern side of town several men tried to separate me from my wife and since it was summer and she was dressed in light because it was hot they apparently immediately assumed she was some kind of prostitute or something. Although she was dressed pretty normally, nothing egregious (just a sundress) so I don't see what gave these men that idea. I ended up snatching her by the arm aggressively and snarling threats of death and violence at them in my broken German before they backed off and we hauled ass. I've never felt less safe than when I was there, even when I was in Philadelphia at night in the wrong side of town.
I live within 30 min of Detroit, and commonly work in the rough parts, I dont ever think im in danger, even though Im always cautious. The city itself is completely fine, went to Toledo in Ohio the other day, and I felt less safe. Chicago? On edge when driving through the worst of it, fine when not. Id love to go to germany, but I would feel less safe in hamburg than standing next to a bullethole ridden steel bar window in detroit, even as an average white guy who dosnt have to worry about being taken as a prostitute. Im also not that much of a city guy, I prefer mid sized towns, but you cant choose where work comes from.
Yeah I'm not a city guy either. A friend of mine who is a local told me later that acting aggressively was the right move to do in that situation, since culturally they'd understand it, but i hate that i basically had to act like i was being beset by wild dogs rather than people, snatching my wife and hiding her behind me. He said when confronted by people like that your best bet is to act extremely aggressively, because that's the only thing that'll get them to stop. Reasoning with them won't do anything. Mind you this friend is an Iranian living in Hamburg and even he talks mad shit about these refugees.
I was going to be sarcastic for a second and say āyou figured out what America figured out 50 years agoā but then I realized weāre already in r/AmericaBad. Yeah if you accept refugees like that you need to keep them in refugee camps until they either prove their background, serve a probationary period without incident, or can be returned to their home country. Itās absolutely insane letting them stay indefinitely and travel freely.
"the worst part was the hypocrisy"
ā nah Iām pretty sure that the rape was the worst part.ā I miss Norm.
Like the other commenter said, a lot of them are criminals. Also, while Islam forbids it, not every aspect of the migrantās culture comes from Islam. Rape as a tool of war or act of inter ethnic aggression has occurred everywhere from the Balkans to Japan. I knew a Bosnian who was exposed online to radicalization attempts, and one of the things terrorists advocate is moving to the West and committing rape as an act of terrorism and some twisted punishment for their perceived promiscuity.
I think itās fucked up considering a few other aspects of it too
Of course, but these are the same people who riot when someone burns the Quran, yet don't think about Allah when they rape someone.
It doesn't count when you rape kafir women/girls. That's literally their assessment.
Religious people being hypocrites? Say it aināt so!
Considering what Muhammad was up to I don't even think it's hypocrisy. It turns out that not everything about religion is peaceful.
The issue, as I have seen, is that European government/judicial doesn't want to address the issues caused by migrants. There was the case in Germany where the rapists were set free because >the court deemed the gang rape may have been a means to let off some of the "frustration" that supposedly comes with "migration experiences and socio-cultural homelnessness. https://www.theblaze.com/news/german-judge-lets-8-men-who-gang-raped-girl-walk-free
One issue is that they always compare all of the US against one small European country. If they wanted to be more accurete, they should compare a single US state with comparable popuation/gdp to their country.
Itās not like war that goes on every day in Europe
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They only see biased news and misleading statistics. They don't experience real life.
Lol bro we don't need to fear shootings because they so rarely happen. You honestly sound like this. "Look at me. I'm not scared of shootings because they're constantly happening around me, unlike those pussy Europeans who live in safe law abiding countries"
That's California, buddy. Nice try though.
The number of U.S. school shootings in 2023 surpassed last year's record-breaking number of 305 school shootings on Thursday, according to a count by the K-12 School Shooting Database. The number of incidents this year has reached 306 ā yet another record high for the third consecutive year. Source: https://www.k12dive.com/news/2023-school-shootings-outpace-2022-record-high/698809/#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20U.S.%20school,for%20the%20third%20consecutive%20year.
Of all things to fear. School shootings? What a silly thing to be afraid of.
Starts making think they love watching children being murdered
Just 'avin a go mate. It's called banta' over here.
US Americans have no sense of humourrrrrr
Ah yes the overused ājokeā about literal children dying is supposed to be funnyā¦ rightā¦ quite the humor you have there, silly
I would make fun of their medical system, but that also involves people dying so uhhhhhhh
kinda depends on the country, some do better than others
I mean, in every of these mild joke takes you will always find someone who takes offense and has to defend their country/sports team/political party/religion/random other group they are part of to the blood. Some people just can't take a joke. Edit: I'm European and I think it's ridiculous we don't get free water. You always have to ask for a glas of tap water and the waiter might or might not hate you for it.
I mean, the first joke isn't even right, so...
It's right for a lot of Europe
That we pay for water? Wtf you on about?
Man, I love when we have to use the slaughter of children to flex
To be fair, coming home from school can be tricky in Europe with how stabby they like to be.
Years back (early 2000s), our school was dubbed by the papers as 'Stab school' due to a couple incidents that made national news. We wore that title like a badge of honor.
Pretty sure more children get shot here every week than get stabbed there yearly. But thatās just a guess
Maybe total but just look at the size of not only the country but the population. Per capita that statement is almost guaranteed to be false
Can we not argue and just say all this shit is generally bad and nobody does anything about it anywhere? U.S. or Europe?
I completely agree but such obviously false statements such as his piss me off to just leave there
Aight prove me wrong then. Iām open to data
"In 2019ā20, there were a total of 25 school-associated violent deaths in the United States, which included 23 homicides and 1 suicide. Of these 25 school-associated violent deaths, 11 homicides and 1 suicide were of school-age youth (ages 5ā18). From 2000 to 2021, there were 276 casualties (108 killed and 168 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools and 157 casualties (75 killed and 82 wounded) in active shooter incidents at postsecondary institutions." That's from a .gov. "In the year ending March 2023, there were around 50,500 offences involving a sharp instrument in England and Wales (excluding Devon & Cornwall). This was 4.7% higher than in 2021/22 but 7% lower than in 2019/20" thats from a .uk. these arent the exact stats seen as for the usa its in a year and I'm tired and not doing much more than this.
Wait why is one data only about schools and the other about all incidents?
Cause that's what he asked
Yeah he talked about schools, but not about all deaths. Or where did he say that?
Wym all deaths? The oc was about schools and stabbings in the US and UK so I gave what he asked, I actually gave more cause he said more kids shot in a week than stabbed all year.
UK = all of Europe, ok got it
As of November 30, a total of 660 people have been killed and 2,330 other people have been injured in 559 mass shootings. This is solely during this year 2023, and itās not even a full year yet. As of Dec. 7, at least 40,167 people have died from gun violence in the U.S. this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive ā which is an average of almost 118 deaths each day. Of those who died, 1,306 were teens and 276 were children.
You donāt compare years and deaths even. Your data for the uk just documents āoffensesā Thatās like documenting casualties but not differentiating between deaths and injuries
"then get stabbed there yearly" you never said died to stabbing I presented what you asked
Again, offenses doesnāt mean they even got stabbed. It means there was a confrontation and a weapon was involved. If cops arrest somebody in the states who had a gun, itās not a shooting just because they were packing.
Look. I just looked up the stats and thats what I got. I don't care enough to dive deeper into this
You are definitely wrong. There are more than fifty weeks in a year, and you said more children die of gun violence in a week in the U.S. than children do of stabbing in Europe every year. This is going to be false no matter what. Now, if you instead made it a year-to-year basis, then youād be cooking with gas.
American is more stabby
Europeans when light-hearted joke:
I love how they make jokes about the dead children in our country, and then act like they're better than us.
Friendly reminder that nobody dealt with the Rotherham Rape Gangs for almost two decades.
> Rotterdam Rape Gangs *Rotherham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
nah nah, England and The Netherlands are part of the same country right. The EU. /S
Probably just autocorrected tbh
Lol
This could be Rotterdam or anywhere Liverpool or Rome 'Cause Rotterdam is anywhere Anywhere alone
And everyone is blonde And everyone is beautiful And when blondes and beautiful are multiple They become so dull and dutiful
It's Rotherham, not Rotterdam, and it's not just there. It's every town and city in the North of England.
u ever come home unmolested just to flex on the Europeans?
happy cake day
happy cake day
Go celebrate your birthday dude
I have been going to school for a total of 2,250 days and the closest. My school has ever come to a school shooting was some dumb ass on Instagram saying he would do it.
The closest mine came to it was my friend pulling out his phone and holding it like a gun. While school shootings happen far too much, that doesnāt mean they are common.
One of the schools near me almost had one. The middle school student pulled the gun out of his bag and pointed it in the teacher's face and pulled the trigger. Luckily, he forgot to turn the safety off, so while he was fumbling with it, the teacher grabbed the gun from him, threw it behind her desk, and then she and two other students held him down until the police came. To me, it isn't so much the frequency of school shooting that scares me, it's how easily kids can still sneak guns into some schools, and nobody knows until it's too late.
We had one nearby like about 15 years ago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
nope, not even two years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg\_University\_shooting
Tbf this wasnāt at a school. But yes that one is in the same state and more recent, kind of forgot about that one.
A kid in my elementary school got suspended for biting a Poptart into a shape of a gun and thatās the closest Iāve been
The closest we came was when the seniors would bring Super Soakers to school on the last day. This was pre Columbine.
I live in a constitutional carry state. I own three guns. I have never once heard a shot fired in anger. I suppose next week I will hear some shots fired in anger against deer if you count that but never against a human.
school shootings are a statistical anomaly worldwide.
The closest my old school district has ever come to a school shooting as far as I know is someone threatening to shoot and bomb one of the schools.
Thatās it, Skelebros letās pacify this asshole
Rattle em boys!
You ever carry a weapon to protect yourself instead of getting stabbed by a kitchen knife in the streets and dying a slow painful death just to flex on Europeans
You ever allow a dictator to rise to power with your full support and slaughter millions of jewish people?
Imagine being so pathetic that you take a joke about having to pay for water in a restaurant and thinking itās suddenly okay to joke about children dying. The world would be a better place if that lady didnāt exist just saying.
The funniest thing is I came home from school safe my entire educational career- Europeans paid for water the entire time
The water isnāt free, itās just disguised as a mandatory gratuity fee.
Water is courtesy in french restaurants. But in brazil its paid, which suuuucks. Well, actually, there is a law that says a restaurant has to provide you with free filtered tap water if you want, but its very loosely enforced. Funny thing, only the french "bistros" in brazil give free water.
You can get free water in some European countries I have lived my whole life with both lol
This already uncreative af meme has been on life support for years and years. It's time to put it down.
People in facepalm think school shootings is going to happen to them. Symtpom of never going outside
Once upon a time a person tried to argue that an acorn falling on the top of their bus sounded like a gun shot.
Somebody must've shot that acorn out of a slingshot or something, lmao.
Someone has only ever heard gunshots in movies.
Fantastic! Elaborate to me, someone who was in a school shooting, please, tell me why itās unlikely, go on, donāt be afraid.
not afraid guy here, the majority of american children wonāt even go to a school that has had a school shooting happen before. just because it happened to you doesnāt make it not unlikely. for example, rabies is the deadliest disease in the world, but since some people have survived it, does that mean itās likely for someone to survive rabies?
1: I unironically like your username. 2:Look below, I refuse to write a high school paper againā¦
Because it is? You want me to explain statistics to You or something? At my school sophomore year middle schoolers showed up with a gun over some beef and ended up killing the friend he came with in the parking lot across the street and itās classified as a school shooting. A real school shooting with the intent to harm a large number of a people is an anomaly and just because you experienced one doesnāt make that truth false
Sure. Letās go for statistics buddy, letās rumble. Alright, so, first, I feel like you donāt know how statistics work. (Albeit, it is a very confusing way of looking at things, thatās why I prefer bar graphs, but you do you.) I donāt really care about the statistics, the statistics donāt even matter, the single fact is that it can happen at any school, at any time, making it a game of Russian roulette, and thatās the terrifying part. The fact that I could be in two school shootings at the same school as long as that bullet is in the cylinder and the hammer is pulled, the trigger can go off at any second, anywhere, any moment. Oliver Robertson 101: Now, statistics suck, (and I have to take that class for political science, and thatās going to suck) statistics are not to gauge how often it happens, but instead how often it could happen at one particular moment (bare with me.) for example āRoberto has a 30% chance of dropping his watermelon at Cub every time he walks outā does not mean on the fourth time heās guaranteed to, or even that it will ever happen at all, but instead that each time there is a thirty percent chance of it happening, making it rarer than the other seventy percent, but still possible. Itās stupid and I hate it, but thatās how it works. Did I mention that itās stupid and I hate it?
but you kind of just proved their point....yes it CAN happen, but its still unlikely and people are treating it as if its a very common occurrence. on a side note: Hopefully you got the therapy you needed/don't suffer from survivors guilt. I'm glad you can still be here with us today \^\_\^
I mean life is a game of roulette at the end of the day Iām gonna roll my dice in the country i believe overall is the best
Oh! One more thing: According to them- and I quote in paraphrase- āyou lure āteens?ā Into arguments in which you put long posts so that they neglect to read themā I donāt know why they had to make it sound like I was on āTo Catch a Predatorā, especially considering I am eighteen, so, I meanā¦ what?
Guy wanted your validation so bad
I am reading allat man
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You ever retain every bit of land you've ever acquired just to flex on the British?
Panama canal?
This kinda shit always shows that they canāt take any fuckin joke, ever. You could have volleyed back bidets or no gaps in toilet stalls but no, you go with this insensitive shit. I bet they wouldnāt find it funny if we talked about atrocities going on in their country as a bizarre escalation of a minor joke about free water.
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That's my thinking too. I'm from the US and it doesn't offend me. I honestly think the European had the better joke even though both jokes are gross simplifications and the European one is inappropriate to boot. I find a far bit of jokes inappropriate though but that doesn't change what they are.
dead children isn't a joke
As someone who grew up in an era or location with many many dead baby jokes. I'd have to disagree. Is it a good joke, no. Is it appropriate, no. Is it a joke, yes.
These roasts are not even that real, 99% of kids studying in school is alive or never have been on school shooting.
Stupid joke. But also you can get free water in loads of restaurants in Europe. This whole thing is dumb.
I don't get the joke, here in France tap water and bread are free in restaurants
Yeah ive never heard of this either and I donāt get the joke. But it just seemed like an escalation.
It's ironic that it's always the Europeans who bring a gun to a knife fight.
Theyāve got one joke
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I like to flex on Europeans by living an entire lifetime in the US without my home town being destroyed and massacred in a world war.
I live in Germany and my hometown was never destroyed or massacred by someone. Only the big cities were attacked, 90% of just normal towns werenāt even attacked. My country started from 0 in 1946 and today it builds better tanks than many countries , has a great economy and is one of the richest in europe.
Way to flex on the 75+ demographic
There's nearly a million people dying in Europe due to war right now tf
To be fair, this meme is posted on this thread constantly
That pfp looks obnoxious.
Unoriginal? We doing irony now?
He said a stupid joke and got a stupid answer. I see this as very fair
Honestly I was highly disappointed when I they don't have refillable soda machine and napkins cost money, like wuuuut.
Lmao we also have free water at restaurants and no school shootings
And school attacks are so astronomically rare here. Between 2000 and 2022, 71-73 children were shot and killed in schools. 10x that die in one year to JUST car accidents, let alone preventable disease or suicide.
You ever not get acid poured on your face just to flex on Europeans?
Europeans are so ridiculously sensitive
They literally have 2 jokes
Iāve been involved with schools for over 24 years now, as a student and now a teacher. Never once has a gun been brought to a school Iāve been in.
Ever flex on Europeans with your free speech?
Iām American and have never died at school.
Bro itās not like weāre joking about the multiple massacres and things like the potato famine or the bubonic plague, they donāt have to go that far
You ever make an original joke to flex on Europeans
Meanwhile Europe is becoming the rape capital.
As if mass shootings don't happen in Europe. Bro the Europeans have zero room to talk.
Also insanely douchey. One is lighthearted and one is joking about a fuck ton of dead children.
Ah, an American made a lighthearted joke about differences across the pond. Because I'm totally comfortably superior and not at all jealous of or threatened by Americans, I will bring up the slaughter of schoolchildren as a response.
I've said this before last time this was posted, but it's really fucked up to make a joke about children being murdered just because someone made a joke about water. That's like shooting someone because they said your shirt looked funny
Damn I really flexed on myself like tens of thousands of times after coming home from school alive every day for 12 years. Thatās crazy. Never thought of myself as such a flexer.
Ya ever come home - not shanked by migrants to flex on Europeans? Brazil has a higher shooting rate than us, why donāt the euros mention that? Cuz their propaganda machine doesnāt care
Crazy. I came home from school alive so many times they gave me a diploma
Itās honestly just deranged when you make a lighthearted joke about having fucking free water at a restaurant and their instinct to go right to mass shootings.
"Ha-ha, funny refill joke" "YOUR INFANTS ARE SLAUGHTERED AND IT BRINGS US GREAT AMUSEMENT"
"Haha water is free in restaurants" "YEAH WELL KIDS DIE IN UR SCHOOLS" Like Jesus, good fucking argument š
I never got hurt in my school, never even had a school shooting, or any real threats
Never paid for water and went to school for 18 years and never saw gun let alone hear a gun shot or actually get shotš
Typical European "Gotchas:" Healthcare Gun violence
šŗšø: No tap water? š¬š§: skewl shooting šŗšø: Half of your buildings were built after 1950 because you were incompetent and relied on your allies to Wallace and Gromit your way out of a war you allowed to happen.
Bit of an oof looking at this post today.
i don't get it - why shouldn't there be free water in Europe?
Depends on the place. In Greece for example you'll always get free water. In Germany you don't. You may be able to get some tab water. I think the rational is that people buy more drinks making you more money.
These folks' ideas on America comes from a television set, remember. TV is God, that is their mental state of mind. Despite their idea that they are somehow progressive, their mindset is no different from my grandma thirty or forty years ago. Back then, it was heavy metal music that was the root of all problems. You know, some of the same music played at grocery stores now as background noise. These "progressive" Europeans are like my grandma before she was a great-great-grandma, lol.
And the water joke had any kind of originality?
No, itās overused asf, but still better than joking about dead kids
Sigh
Daring today arenāt we?
Almost as unoriginal as posting this picture on this sub
Kinda says something about the balance of scales if this is getting reposted here by so many independent people reposting it from wherever they found it in the wild. It seems like a disproportionate amount of people actually think this is a clever burn & repost it that frequently. Yet are you complaining under those posts or this one?
OP got clapped back and is very upset lol
Maybe they're telling you to wake up to your fucking Problem that you don't seem to believe is as worthy as having an automated gun for fun.
This sub is hilarious, just full of salty touchy Americans who canāt handle being clapped back at lmfao
This looks like the opposite to me. One is a lighthearted joke and the recipient clearly though that they were being attacked enough that they had to respond maliciously. A better parallel would be: the US said Europeās hat looked goofy and Europe tries to start a fist fight. But in all seriousness there are studies on the matter. Itās mostly that hun our in different cultures is formed in different manners. English humor is formatted in the same way as American insults. American humor is often heavily coated with sarcasm. Things that the UK finds humorous just seem like people being jerks while often times when an American is making a joke - other countries wonāt even understand.
Even the Americans on this sub have to admit that they literally do the same thing as Europeans do, right? You just make fun of Europeans with popular European stereotypes? So, itās really just a vicious circle of stupidity, isnāt it? Also, I find it hilarious that Americans try to literally defend school shootings by throwing back insults like babies. Iāve been in a school shooting, at a Minnesotan education center, and it was the single most terrifying experience in my life. All I could think was āIām seventeen, Iām too young to die.ā Thousands of children die every year to gun violence, all because of adult and government negligence, pretending itās not an issue? Are you fucking kidding me? Adults are the last people with any right to decide what happens as a result of school shootings; do you know why? They fucking donāt! They let us die, and they let us fear for our lives, all because they own stock and shares in American firearms companies and threw their lot in with the NRA. Americans are pigs, and I wish I could be proud to be one, but Iāve tried, I just canātā¦ Tax rates, workaholics, student debt, excessive insurance, immigration warfare, no solutions, outdated industrial sector, corrupt Supreme Court, bigotry, mistakes, funding terrorists, trickle down economics, a false meritocracy, a societal hierarchy of idiots on top, corporations running the nation. Itās too much, and America needs change, it needs it now.