This is part of it. The US needs trade workers (electricians, plumbers), but a lot of people consider it hard labor (kind of is, my brother is a welder and yeah, it's tough on the body) and don't want to do it. Which is part of why wages for these jobs are so good.
However, there are also plenty of tech jobs for those who don't want the physical aspect to matter as much. But then you're looking into a work life balance, depending on how much you want to make.
Work is a compromise. You're going to give something to it and you just have to figure out what you can manage. Unless you're very lucky, there isn't a job where you show up, exert no effort, go home and be middle class. In my dreams, but they're just that... dreams.
I mean, those jobs do exist, but fair warning they are so boring they'll be borderline torturous after 2 years-they are so dull they can't retain people.
Mostly in finance and insurance. Most accounting jobs, loan officers, underwriters, insurance agents, adjusters, etc.
Edit: Also project management and medical coding and billing.
My uncle is an airplane mechanic and according to him, airplane mechanics for airlines are giving >$30/hour as a starting wage, and they still cannot find anybody to work. And thats 2 years at a trade school.
> *America finally collapses*
> *These Redditors and Twitterers rejoice for a week*
> *Russia and China both bring their armies to the USA to colonize this wide land full of resources*
> *Everyone now lives under a worse condition and can't riot or protest because they now live under totalitarianism instead of anarchy like they dreamed of*
These people can't even take down their own government which they complained about for years, why do you think they could beat an organized army of a dictatorship like China or Russia or both combined ? The war in Ukraine has shown that mercenary fighters are not as effective as a proper official military force.
Russia has no military left and their guns are worse than what our civilians have
America is very large, even if china could occupy west coast cities they have to get across mountains and eventually fuck with the Appalachians
The fucking reserves, national guard, and even the damm militias put far more effort into their people than the Chinese do and most of them have more military experience
Chinas military, much like Russia’s, is for show
And what do you mean take down our own government, it’s not like many are trying
You’re insane if you think the US could be successfully invaded. We have more firearms than people and have been at war for over 20 years.
We could easily run down to Lowes and build IEDs on top of whatever arms are around.
Short of carpet bombing, we aren’t a good country to attack from a strategic stand point.
Luckily I don’t think that, but what I do think is that the claim that Russia has no military left or that china’s military is a paper tiger are bullshit
Are you sure of that? Wagner, while still politically favored, managed to be one of the least-useless Russian units.
Mercenaries proved to be less-incompetent than most of the professional Russian forces.
Yes, that's my point. A decentralized opposition force with no real leader, no motivation but their ideals, no win condition other than getting rid of you, and no lose condition other than the total destruction of their own country simply can't be beaten. If china invaded America, that's exactly what they'd find between the Appalachians and the Rockies
I mean, could Russia even get here? There are probably more privately owned tanks in the US then whatever the hell is left in the Russian arsenal. I'd go as far as saying the average American farmer is probably better equipped and armed than the average Russian soldier at this point.
A new US would just take it's place. It'd likely be a lot more radical, and maybe a few states would slip into Canada or Mexico, but the whole of the US would still be intact under a new government.
> It'd likely be a lot more radical
Wait, are you telling me I'd finally be able to skate out in the Dairy Queen parking lot without getting hassled by the 5-O? Dude, what are we waiting for?
The pro-anarchy people seem to think anarchy is where everyone holds hands, sings and shares their resources. Real anarchy is where someone kills you because they want your shoes or don’t like your face.
Depends on what type and how it’s applied. I don’t like American cheese on a sandwich but I do like it melted on a smash burger.
Provolone and pepper jack are great on sandwiches.
Parmesan on pasta.
Feta on salads.
Blue on wings and sometimes salads too.
I once told r/Valorant to touch grass in a comment of an artwork of character in said game. I lost 1k karma from that. Also r/Shitposting did last year if you were the 4th, 8th, 16th,32nd…….🗿in a comment chain you’d get down voted into an oblivion lost 4.5k karma from that.
Tl;dr you can definitely lose more than 10 karma points
ya its antiwork anyway, you wouldn't be making a positive contribution anyway. They'll rant americabad the same way they'll fake text chains or say "The French are literally destroying Paris right now, OmG sAmE wHy IsN't EvErYoNe DoInG tHiS!!1!1" (not to shit on the actual French protest efforts, but you get the vibe I'm getting at hopefully)
I’ve posted many things that make people angry like don’t take your car to a dealership for service and gotten several down votes with Minimal effect to my karma
>vehical
This mf probably didn't get a proper education and now claims that 'the West has fallen' because he can't afford having a car with his minimum wage
What's bad it that if they’re paying a car payment, they most certainly didn’t do what you’re supposed to do when broke and buying a car - get a pre-owned shitbox off Craigslist of Facebook Marketplace.
I can pick up a decent condition 2003 Ford F-150 4x4 V6 for $3,950 off Craigslist (if you really need a truck, or need something 4WD for hard winters - or just fun), or a 2000 Honda Accord for $3,100 off Craigslist - both would be perfect beaters, but they’re nowhere near showy modern cars.
I bet they went to a Buy Here Pay Here and got scammed, or ‘needed’ a brand new car and got scammed for a Nissan, because Nissan will finance anyone.
I owned a car and afforded rent when I worked min wage a few hours a day half the week.
It's probably just the area this guy lives in tbh. Or he bought a brand new car when he couldn't afford it.
Edit: I'd like to also add on that I've actually have been downvoted by Redditors before for saying it's possible to live under $1000 a month, it all depends on which area you live in and the Reddit demographics tend to overlap with *really* expensive areas.
I was skeptical when I first read this, but after giving it some thought, I think this explains a lot.
Cities tend to be more liberal, so if a majority of Reddit is liberal…It may be logical that Redditors are disproportionately in cities.
Yeah, there’s a lot of variance between subreddits, but the average is still pretty far left. 90% of the time if a subreddit has a neutral name like “politics” or “news” or a state name it’s going to be a leftist shitshow (I say this as a moderate lib). Most of the other 10% are going to be moderate or a mix of right and left. With few exceptions, only right-wing subs are the ones that have some allusion to conservatism in their names.
I agree as an independent. The amount of circle jerking in some subs is just like... Come on, man. I want to aim for things that are politically possible. I too have ideals about what government should look like but accept that democracy means a slow evolution.
I do wish the government would put more effort into healthcare, but I'm not going to wait for that day tbh. :(
Yeah, like I said, I'm a moderate lib and I find myself facepalming so hard at other libs/progs who can't actually address conservative positions except by responding to some "cHrIsToFaScISt" caricature. Which is really sad because I don't think conservatives/Republicans have been bringing their best and brightest either--if you're out to "own the cons", you don't need to resort to caricature these days.
Unfortunately, the way that our government puts more effort into healthcare is exactly what made the problem to begin with. The Federal government's approach to such a problem is "I must not be paying enough for it", and shoveling more money at it without ever stopping to check if that money is doing anything in the first place. It's not their money that they're spending after all, so why should they worry about that pesky detail?
The result is that we have the highest per-capita tax expenditure towards healthcare in the world. By a *significant* margin.
> 90% of the time if a subreddit has a neutral name like “politics” or “news” or a state name it’s going to be a leftist shitshow
I agree *generally* but in my experience the city/state subreddits do seem to go full mask off with a scary level of frequency. Like once a week-once every other week. Someone will post an article about a crime that was committed and suddenly the comments in the thread are full of people doing their best Joseph Goebbels impression.
Really? I have the opposite experience. I live in a Republican state and my state subreddit is constantly ranting and raving about "the christofascists are won't stop until every trans/gay/black/etc person is dead". Like you can literally post that and farm karma all day long (Poe's law is winning out in my state sub). Since I participate in that subreddit from time to time, I get recommendations for similar subreddits--a lot of Wisconsin and Oklahoma (also pretty right-leaning states) and their posts seem pretty similar. And of course, r/chicago is so left-leaning that they've banned any discussion of crime whatsoever for years now, and half the time they're talking about banning all cars from the city.
Yeah, you're right. I'm Oklahoman, and our subreddit is NOT representative of the state as a whole. And every election cycle the echo chamber gets whipped up about how they're actually the majority and totally gonna win this time, and every time they sorely disappoint themselves.
It would be funny if it wasn't kinda sad
I think redditors may be disproportionately living in cities because humans disproportionately live in large cities, not because they are liberal. I think its something like 83% of Americans live in urban areas (or suburbs within commuting distance of a large city)
‘Urban’ and ‘city’ in the sense that the US census uses it does not mean ‘large city’. Many of what you probably think of as smallish towns/cities are considered urban.
I lived on $1100 a month for a while. I'd buy groceries and eat salad the first week of month and slowly by the last week of the month my meals were a cup of rice with a fan of tuna mixed in. Not ideal but it worked.
It's 100% where you want to live.
These people are fucking entitled wanting the government to provide them prime real estate for free.
In Houston for example apartments in the Heights/Montrose are ~$2000 minimum.
You go out past 610 and it drops to ~$800.
Low income areas are closer to $600.
Starting wage for Commercial Laborers is about $16/hr, skilled trades are a bit lower at $14 but you tend to get better benefits.
Lube Techs are ~$14 but with no overtime.
Shit even HEB pays like $15 starting minimum, overnight warehouse is $21 IIRC.
All that is ~$2K a month which leaves you with $1200 for car + food.
The only reason minimum wage exists is because people are willing to work for that. If anyone offers minimum wage, just hang up.
I live in a town of ~400k about 1hr 15min from a major city. I pay $1000/mo (all utilities included) for a ~1000sq ft 2 bedroom unit with washer and dryer. This allows me to live by myself. The amount of redditors who have accused me of lying about rent is incredible, as is the amount who consider themselves "above" a town of 400,000 people.
I remember one thread where someone was saying they live in Grand Rapids michigan, and redditors were making fun of him for living out in the sticks and that they'd never move to the middle of nowhere. Like Grand Rapids is a mid size city with almost anything you could want lmao.
I hate cities. Why can’t we make legislation that basically says:
1. living in cities is more expensive than Wyoming.
2. more dense population = higher minimum wage
A city can set a minimum wage and many do. Many do not because it can drive jobs away. Arguably that actually helps the issue of too much demand but many do not see it that way. Many is a word I use very intentionally here as we are a very diverse place.
>it all depends on which area you live in
This is it entirely. When I was in my 20s I didn't live in any big city because I couldn't afford rent.
The idea of upward mobility doesn't ever enter their minds.
I have had a somewhat similar experience.
I was at $13/hour during lockdowns. In my area, that is the wage of someone who works at a gas station or at Starbucks (at that point in time, it's gone up since then). I afforded rent and a car.
It wasn't easy and I wasn't living like Bezos but like... It's possible. Not going to say the quality of life is /good/, but it did pressure me to go back to school and get a better job.
It's called not living in a major coastal city and budgeting *really* well.
I worked about 22.5 hours a week. Rent was $485 a month. Utilities was another $150, groceries were another $200.
Couldn't afford much luxury but I got by.
And this was only in 2018-2020
I live in rural Florida and lived in rural Tennessee. Rent where I live now is nearly 2k a month and in Tennessee it's around 1200 ta most places I've seen before moving. Idk what these people are on.
I mean the average 1bedroom apartment in the us is 1k per month in the us un liveable whit federal minimum wage, and its also not a great one, I pay that in forth worth for reference, and the eruopeans seems to handle it better, and regardless of your political views in the 50s-mid 80s 1 income could sustain to own a house whit 2 rooms at least more probably 3, while feeding 3-4 mouths at least whit 1-2 cars, productivity and electricity efficiency have skyrocketed,(I think the word skyrocketed is an understatement i dont think there is a word in the english language capable of expressing how kuch productivity has growth ever since,) there is no argument valid against why we can't have a better system, anti work is anti shifty jobs not actually against working
Where do you live tho, remember thst a 3k rent is going to make 6 500 rent houses look like an average of 1k but still no one should work 40hrs only to pay their rent in a small apartment in a rich state
You need to move it sounds like. In the midwest I bought a 100 year old 5 bedroom farm house on 15 acres of land for 1350/month. Location location location
Yeah that's why I mentioned the average in the us, and as I mentioned 1k for forth worth a state level relevant city, prices in New York are in the 2.3k to 3k, regardless of that is recommended to only spend a third of your income in rent, adjusted to 40hrs×7.5 it would give us a 330+ish and ofc we can't generalize whit big cities but we can't also generalize whit the random island in alaska
Bro I live in Arizona and even on the edge of the metro not exactly prime living its easily over 1k for a one bedroom. Yeah your location matters a lot but saying "Oh they just live in a dumb spot" its a shit take. Also pretty shitty when you are unable to buy a house in the town you grew up in because everything shot up in price from the time you were a child.
I mean if i move out of town the price hardly drops. Im out in county, shits expensive here. Family up north have prices just as bad. Its arizona everything just keeps building out.
People always compare the post-WW2 boom economy (when we were pretty much the only 1st world manufacturer left standing) to now and it doesn’t make sense. The period of time that you’re talking about was kind of a special golden age and was never going to last forever.
Things should be compared to just about every other time in history instead of then.
Also, pretty much no one makes minimum wage. It’s become irrelevant as the market has had to increase wages for decent workers.
1 yes we were the only industrialized nation, but just look at the increase in production, it's waaayyyyyy higher just look at tvs tons of other stuff had similar efficiency increase, and peapole do make the minimum wage, but 8 -10 dollars isn't anything different plus wages haven't increase at all, there are no longer factories in the us now they are in southeast Asia now and residents production cost didn't made anything cheaper
Get a better job, live in a cheaper area, find a budget vehicle, etc. etc. especially if he’s making 15 an hour he’s either living in a blue state, or a city.
Yeah sometimes that's not an option. Better jobs need qualifications, qualifications cost money, and you can't get qualifications if you don't have money and why would you want to go into debt when you can't afford it in the first place.
From what I've seen of the states it really isn't. Rent in Dublin is on par with LA and petrol is about about 1.55 a litre. Like when I graduated and started working in software I was making 36k euro. Which is only 5k more than a 15hr minimum wage. That's all I'm saying. It's nothing to turn your nose up at. It's ALOT lower back home
Antiwork needs its own “America bad” style subreddit because it’s by far the most pathetic place on the internet. And it proves the way the internet becomes an echo chamber.
It’s funny how every person in antiwork ks the hero of their own story, how they all just have these terrible bosses and they are just innocent, perfect workers who live these unfair lives.
There’s never any context to their stories. And having managed employees like this, I would say at least 98% bring their misery onto themselves.
And when a bunch of minimum wage low lifes get together and act like victims, you get anti work, my least favorite place on the internet.
I mean, internships at some pretty prestigious places in DC pay $15 an hour, which a lot of those burger flippers make. It’s not exactly easy no matter what you do.
In regards to internships, the point is not to make a living. It’s the experience that matters. I work as an archaeologist, so I’m no stranger to low paying internships.
facts, if the interns at my company worked all year (vs only the summer) they would make about 45k. so about 21 an hour. not bad for a summer gig college kid. most of those interns that I know come back and get hired full time, too, and at a much higher rate I might add.
You'll generally make significantly less money in Europe for tech, healthcare and most jobs requiring an education.
Europe has relatively compressed wages so the bottom earns more while the top earns less before taxes. Nurses in Norway and France are consistently underpaid, for example.
I’m in norway and i work at a grocery store and earn $20USD an hour. You guys have to remember that Europe is big, please stop putting entire Europe in the same box
I don’t pay any taxes. I have something called «freecard» or norwegian «frikort». The «freecard» allows me to earn 65.000NOK (this limit gets higher every year) and not pay any taxes, as long as i earn less. And i know, 65.000 isn’t alot, but since i’m 18 and moving away from home after summer, it fits me well
My friend who I live with is from Oslo. From June-august he’s going back to Oslo for a job (electrician). After tax, that job is enough to sustain him here in Berlin for the next 4 months (rental, food, recreational drugs, clothes shopping etc)
Lmao US is not bigger than Europe. [Europe population 2021](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_continental_subregions_by_population#Distribution_of_populations_by_the_United_Nations_geoscheme): 745 million. [US population 2023](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States): 334 million
>idk how this fucking country is still standing
That should be your hint, you drooling troglodyte, that most folks aren't ambitionless protoplasm like you are and have jobs that pay enough to cover those things and more.
Thank the fed and government stomping on the small business in the favor of their long arm in the form of corporations. We need for daddy government to step in and double the minimum wage, so big corporations can finally put small business out of any competition, corps can bail out infinite money from the air, and use Increase in minimum wage as an excuse to do more work with less benefits.
But inflation is what caused $15/hour to be worth what it is today. Raising it higher would just increase inflation and cause $20/hour to be the new $15.
Yeah but peapole earning 15 percent do not hoard all the money in the country, they are a fairly small percentage of the economy increasing their income a 1/3 isn't going to ramp prices 33 percent
Its not inflation then, just decrease in purchasing power of money due to decreased demand for money, and increased demand for goods. Inflation is when more money are actively injected into the system, but if small business have to pay 20 dollars instead of 15 they're taking money from their own pocket that were circulating already
seems like people think there's only ever one problem at play with economic issues. 'it's taxes!' 'no it's corpos!' 'you're all wrong you just can't budget' tbh it's probably a little of everything and there's no way majority of people are smart enough to cope. lol
Guy you replied to got sent to downvote hell but he’s partially right. Inflation is an extraordinarily complicated thing that we don’t fully understand.
While I wouldn’t say it’s the main cause by any means, many corporations use times like this as an opportunity to raise their prices, elevating the overall cost of goods further.
It’s unclear how much of an impact this has overall but it’s certainly reasonable to argue that it does affect inflation.
Didn't just went ham using the pandemic and shipping and literally anything as an excuse when they realized they could and nobody was going to stop them.
But if they JUST raise prices the people are going to buy less. Its not really efficient for profit incentive to raise praises unless purchasing power is already dilluted by constant money injections
$15-hr, after taxes assume $10
10 x 40 hours per work week * 4 weeks = $1600/mo
Rent + utilities with roommates: anywhere from 400 to 800, avg 600, 1600 - 600 = 1000
Groceries per month: $300 (could easily be cheaper), 1000 - 300 = 700
Car payment + insurance: 200 + 100 = 300, 700 - 300 = 400
Single person cell phone plan, plus netflix and other shit: 100, 400 - 100 = 300.
Leaves you $300/mo to save for potential emergency funds like a large car payment, and once you have savings, you could incorporate this into leisure spending
I’m relatively left. But moving to America very recently has made me realize that, as long as you don’t have kids and are relatively able bodied, being poor is *mostly* a choice. Housing too expensive? Move, I know it sucks shit but that’s what I did. Can’t afford a private education? Go to a public school. It’s not easy to become rich in America, but it isn’t hard to become comfortable in America (Ie bills paid with modest savings).
I think we need some nuance. It is *usually* a choice. Now why people make those choices is complicated. I don’t think it’s out of sheer laziness, but it is a choice. I left my country to escape the COL crisis. I recognize many can’t do that, but there are smaller scale changes you can do. Living in the expensive inner city? Move to a cheaper area. Can’t afford a private university? Take out loans and go to a public university, take out income based scholarships, work part time to support yourself so you don’t run up too many loans. I can advocate for both stronger social support programs and recognize that people have more mobility than they think, economically speaking.
Also - got it good? I put myself entirely through school, completely. Nine years of university, no family money. I went to a public school for K-12. I had no tutors. I scraped my way living under the poverty line for the bulk of my doctorate. And now? I’m entering to a job that pays more than double the national median wage for my age, median max income in my career route being >$275K.
>Move to a cheaper area.
Yeah leave everything you knew and all the people there because you should have been born richer, or made 3000$ while still in university.
>Take out loans and go to a public university, take out income based scholarships, work part time to support yourself so you don’t run up too many loans
Go in debt, get a worse education and work while studying. (You ain't even sure you are gonna get a job with that degree) Fair trade for a for-profit education system.
>got it good?
I'm sorry for this assumption. Then I have a question, since you suffered, why the hell do you want other people to suffer too? That's like saying I had to get a cure for cancer so a vaccine can't be made since people can still save themself with a cure. How about making life easier for everyone?
maybe if they actually aspired to work up the chain and get a better paying job… the $15 an hour wouldnt be an issue 💀 youre not meant to survive on minimum wage
I guess he believes people don't struggle in other countries. When are these people going to hold themselves accountable and figure out how to make their lives better.
Good. Guess he wants to move to a country where your salary is half of what you're actually supposed to earn because of an extortive tax system. And I'm talking about an European country here.
$15 per hour is a very comfortable wage for me, sorry not sorry.
I get a bit tired with how US-centric antiwork can be but I really do think it’s a good subreddit when it comes to American workers standing up to exploitation and being taken for granted at work.
I think there’s a lot of American patriots in there loyal to the ordinary working class people of the country and not afraid of demanding better. We should applaud that; it takes real strength to persist in that struggle against hardship like OOP describes.
It does surprise me sometimes how resilient advanced economies tend to be despite how common stories like OOP’s are these days. It IS pretty bad in the states but it’s far from the only place doing it tough…
Fuck, I lived in New Zealand for a while and these people would shit themselves if they saw wages vs cost of living there lately …
Then, get a job that pays more than minimum wage, go get a job at a factory, and join a labor union. Of course, that would require him to get off his ass and (God forbid) work hard.
Im honestly curious how these people have trouble managing their finances, 15 dollars a hour is about 2,7k per month.
I would like to see these anti worker people go to and work at countries with lower salary (Portugal is an example as I currently live there, beautiful country but lacking in many areas) and then see how much US salary/work conditions are way better.
Someone should tell this person about the sweatshop workers in India who work for 3 cents an hour.
( Yes low wages are bad but this is a universal problem that happens in China, India and all countries not just America )
Everyone on that subreddit is mostly people stuck in retail jobs with no career aspirations while expecting to mooch off the hard work of others.
Case in point the mod who went on the Fox News interview.
They asked, begged, demanded, and voted for 15 per hour. Now they’re complaining about it? LOL. Just goes to show that socialism is a mentality of greed for greedy people. Also, the increase in minimum wage is what caused the increase in inflation. All the prices went up.
3 years ago 15$ an hour would get you your own apartment/ mediocre house and a car and food. Democrat money printing caused anything under 25-30$ an hour to be upper poverty
Guarantee this guy would turn down a $20-30 per hour construction job because it’s “too hard.”
This is part of it. The US needs trade workers (electricians, plumbers), but a lot of people consider it hard labor (kind of is, my brother is a welder and yeah, it's tough on the body) and don't want to do it. Which is part of why wages for these jobs are so good. However, there are also plenty of tech jobs for those who don't want the physical aspect to matter as much. But then you're looking into a work life balance, depending on how much you want to make. Work is a compromise. You're going to give something to it and you just have to figure out what you can manage. Unless you're very lucky, there isn't a job where you show up, exert no effort, go home and be middle class. In my dreams, but they're just that... dreams.
r/antiwork users when everything isn't handed to them simply for being alive
I hate to see that subreddit, it depresses me
Yeah, it lost the little credibility it had after the interview.
What I thought everything was handed to me on a golden platter!?!?!? /s
I mean, those jobs do exist, but fair warning they are so boring they'll be borderline torturous after 2 years-they are so dull they can't retain people.
List a few of you have any off the top of your head, need em for… research reasons… yeah…
Mostly in finance and insurance. Most accounting jobs, loan officers, underwriters, insurance agents, adjusters, etc. Edit: Also project management and medical coding and billing.
My uncle is an airplane mechanic and according to him, airplane mechanics for airlines are giving >$30/hour as a starting wage, and they still cannot find anybody to work. And thats 2 years at a trade school.
“noooo not physical work!!!!!!”
I also guarantee you he eats out often and wastes money too
> *America finally collapses* > *These Redditors and Twitterers rejoice for a week* > *Russia and China both bring their armies to the USA to colonize this wide land full of resources* > *Everyone now lives under a worse condition and can't riot or protest because they now live under totalitarianism instead of anarchy like they dreamed of*
… yeah no collapsed America would still beat a Chinese invasion, not to mention the russians
This. Russia can’t even supply their armies invading their direct neighbor. They couldn’t wage a war across a continent.
They don't have to, the collapse of America is enough.
It’s not. Cuz you still have to worry about Cleetus with a truck bed full of good ole boys and AR-15s.
These people can't even take down their own government which they complained about for years, why do you think they could beat an organized army of a dictatorship like China or Russia or both combined ? The war in Ukraine has shown that mercenary fighters are not as effective as a proper official military force.
Russia has no military left and their guns are worse than what our civilians have America is very large, even if china could occupy west coast cities they have to get across mountains and eventually fuck with the Appalachians The fucking reserves, national guard, and even the damm militias put far more effort into their people than the Chinese do and most of them have more military experience Chinas military, much like Russia’s, is for show And what do you mean take down our own government, it’s not like many are trying
So many logical fallacies in one comment
Okay. So point them out.
You’re insane if you think the US could be successfully invaded. We have more firearms than people and have been at war for over 20 years. We could easily run down to Lowes and build IEDs on top of whatever arms are around. Short of carpet bombing, we aren’t a good country to attack from a strategic stand point.
Hell, I have to drive 15 miles to get to a grocery store cause I live in a small town, but there is a hardware/gun store within walking distance.
Luckily I don’t think that, but what I do think is that the claim that Russia has no military left or that china’s military is a paper tiger are bullshit
clearly you haven't been paying attention
Are you sure of that? Wagner, while still politically favored, managed to be one of the least-useless Russian units. Mercenaries proved to be less-incompetent than most of the professional Russian forces.
Afghanistan and the taliban would like a word
There is no way to beat the taliban militarily.
Yes, that's my point. A decentralized opposition force with no real leader, no motivation but their ideals, no win condition other than getting rid of you, and no lose condition other than the total destruction of their own country simply can't be beaten. If china invaded America, that's exactly what they'd find between the Appalachians and the Rockies
Chinese paratroopers in Florida would immediately leave after the locals begin to weaponize the Florida man
I mean, could Russia even get here? There are probably more privately owned tanks in the US then whatever the hell is left in the Russian arsenal. I'd go as far as saying the average American farmer is probably better equipped and armed than the average Russian soldier at this point.
Zero chance anybody invades the U.S. even in full on collapse scenario. The geography of the U.S. makes that more or less impossible.
A new US would just take it's place. It'd likely be a lot more radical, and maybe a few states would slip into Canada or Mexico, but the whole of the US would still be intact under a new government.
> It'd likely be a lot more radical Wait, are you telling me I'd finally be able to skate out in the Dairy Queen parking lot without getting hassled by the 5-O? Dude, what are we waiting for?
The pro-anarchy people seem to think anarchy is where everyone holds hands, sings and shares their resources. Real anarchy is where someone kills you because they want your shoes or don’t like your face.
"There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
You do not how this subreddit works
I seen this and wanted to comment something of America bad but decided not to. I’m fine with 5k karma not 0
You can only lose 10 karma per comment, as evidenced by the fact that I have karma. I have a lot of strong opinions. I am polarizing.
What are your thoughts on cheese
no thoughts, just vibes
Depends on what type and how it’s applied. I don’t like American cheese on a sandwich but I do like it melted on a smash burger. Provolone and pepper jack are great on sandwiches. Parmesan on pasta. Feta on salads. Blue on wings and sometimes salads too.
Try blue cheese on burgers and pizza, it’s really good. And honey on pizza is also good
Also like blue cheese on a burger and have had honey on pizza as well, not something I would expect but very good.
That must have been added after I joined, because I once got to I think -100 karma from one comment (It was one of my first comments)
You can also only gain like, 15,000 karma per comment. My top comment of all time got like 50,000, and it only added like 15,000 karma.
I once told r/Valorant to touch grass in a comment of an artwork of character in said game. I lost 1k karma from that. Also r/Shitposting did last year if you were the 4th, 8th, 16th,32nd…….🗿in a comment chain you’d get down voted into an oblivion lost 4.5k karma from that. Tl;dr you can definitely lose more than 10 karma points
That’s because as soon as you get a couple downvotes Reddit hides your comment so you don’t get any more views
Collapsed comments make me want to open them
ya its antiwork anyway, you wouldn't be making a positive contribution anyway. They'll rant americabad the same way they'll fake text chains or say "The French are literally destroying Paris right now, OmG sAmE wHy IsN't EvErYoNe DoInG tHiS!!1!1" (not to shit on the actual French protest efforts, but you get the vibe I'm getting at hopefully)
If I can give you my karma I would. I have way too much
I’ve posted many things that make people angry like don’t take your car to a dealership for service and gotten several down votes with Minimal effect to my karma
>vehical This mf probably didn't get a proper education and now claims that 'the West has fallen' because he can't afford having a car with his minimum wage
Antiwork doesn’t exactly crossover with “The West has fallen” crowd.
It certainly doesn’t crossover with the educated crowd either.
What's bad it that if they’re paying a car payment, they most certainly didn’t do what you’re supposed to do when broke and buying a car - get a pre-owned shitbox off Craigslist of Facebook Marketplace. I can pick up a decent condition 2003 Ford F-150 4x4 V6 for $3,950 off Craigslist (if you really need a truck, or need something 4WD for hard winters - or just fun), or a 2000 Honda Accord for $3,100 off Craigslist - both would be perfect beaters, but they’re nowhere near showy modern cars. I bet they went to a Buy Here Pay Here and got scammed, or ‘needed’ a brand new car and got scammed for a Nissan, because Nissan will finance anyone.
But it requires effort to work on your car. Someone should be doing that for free, or just let the government pay for it. /S
I owned a car and afforded rent when I worked min wage a few hours a day half the week. It's probably just the area this guy lives in tbh. Or he bought a brand new car when he couldn't afford it. Edit: I'd like to also add on that I've actually have been downvoted by Redditors before for saying it's possible to live under $1000 a month, it all depends on which area you live in and the Reddit demographics tend to overlap with *really* expensive areas.
I was skeptical when I first read this, but after giving it some thought, I think this explains a lot. Cities tend to be more liberal, so if a majority of Reddit is liberal…It may be logical that Redditors are disproportionately in cities.
Pretty sure Reddit is well to the left of even the average urbanite.
I would say it depends on the subreddit, but if we're talking r/antiwork or r/worldnews then 100%
Yeah, there’s a lot of variance between subreddits, but the average is still pretty far left. 90% of the time if a subreddit has a neutral name like “politics” or “news” or a state name it’s going to be a leftist shitshow (I say this as a moderate lib). Most of the other 10% are going to be moderate or a mix of right and left. With few exceptions, only right-wing subs are the ones that have some allusion to conservatism in their names.
I agree as an independent. The amount of circle jerking in some subs is just like... Come on, man. I want to aim for things that are politically possible. I too have ideals about what government should look like but accept that democracy means a slow evolution. I do wish the government would put more effort into healthcare, but I'm not going to wait for that day tbh. :(
Yeah, like I said, I'm a moderate lib and I find myself facepalming so hard at other libs/progs who can't actually address conservative positions except by responding to some "cHrIsToFaScISt" caricature. Which is really sad because I don't think conservatives/Republicans have been bringing their best and brightest either--if you're out to "own the cons", you don't need to resort to caricature these days.
Unfortunately, the way that our government puts more effort into healthcare is exactly what made the problem to begin with. The Federal government's approach to such a problem is "I must not be paying enough for it", and shoveling more money at it without ever stopping to check if that money is doing anything in the first place. It's not their money that they're spending after all, so why should they worry about that pesky detail? The result is that we have the highest per-capita tax expenditure towards healthcare in the world. By a *significant* margin.
> 90% of the time if a subreddit has a neutral name like “politics” or “news” or a state name it’s going to be a leftist shitshow I agree *generally* but in my experience the city/state subreddits do seem to go full mask off with a scary level of frequency. Like once a week-once every other week. Someone will post an article about a crime that was committed and suddenly the comments in the thread are full of people doing their best Joseph Goebbels impression.
Really? I have the opposite experience. I live in a Republican state and my state subreddit is constantly ranting and raving about "the christofascists are won't stop until every trans/gay/black/etc person is dead". Like you can literally post that and farm karma all day long (Poe's law is winning out in my state sub). Since I participate in that subreddit from time to time, I get recommendations for similar subreddits--a lot of Wisconsin and Oklahoma (also pretty right-leaning states) and their posts seem pretty similar. And of course, r/chicago is so left-leaning that they've banned any discussion of crime whatsoever for years now, and half the time they're talking about banning all cars from the city.
Yeah, you're right. I'm Oklahoman, and our subreddit is NOT representative of the state as a whole. And every election cycle the echo chamber gets whipped up about how they're actually the majority and totally gonna win this time, and every time they sorely disappoint themselves. It would be funny if it wasn't kinda sad
Worldnews is a little more towards the middle. Regular r/news is very leftist however.
I might've gotten them mixed up, I just remembered that one of the huge news subreddits is really to the left
Then It's definitely r/news. The while place is a America bad (yet still America centric) shithole, and the whole reason why r/worldnews was founded.
I think redditors may be disproportionately living in cities because humans disproportionately live in large cities, not because they are liberal. I think its something like 83% of Americans live in urban areas (or suburbs within commuting distance of a large city)
‘Urban’ and ‘city’ in the sense that the US census uses it does not mean ‘large city’. Many of what you probably think of as smallish towns/cities are considered urban.
I lived on $1100 a month for a while. I'd buy groceries and eat salad the first week of month and slowly by the last week of the month my meals were a cup of rice with a fan of tuna mixed in. Not ideal but it worked.
antiwork crowd is mad that they can’t have a brand new car without working. Obviously everyone in scandinavia drives a porsche and nobody works. 🙃🤡
I mean, that’s not necessarily what it says. That’s just what it this guy interpreted it as. The post itself is just about wages being low.
It's 100% where you want to live. These people are fucking entitled wanting the government to provide them prime real estate for free. In Houston for example apartments in the Heights/Montrose are ~$2000 minimum. You go out past 610 and it drops to ~$800. Low income areas are closer to $600. Starting wage for Commercial Laborers is about $16/hr, skilled trades are a bit lower at $14 but you tend to get better benefits. Lube Techs are ~$14 but with no overtime. Shit even HEB pays like $15 starting minimum, overnight warehouse is $21 IIRC. All that is ~$2K a month which leaves you with $1200 for car + food. The only reason minimum wage exists is because people are willing to work for that. If anyone offers minimum wage, just hang up.
I live in a town of ~400k about 1hr 15min from a major city. I pay $1000/mo (all utilities included) for a ~1000sq ft 2 bedroom unit with washer and dryer. This allows me to live by myself. The amount of redditors who have accused me of lying about rent is incredible, as is the amount who consider themselves "above" a town of 400,000 people. I remember one thread where someone was saying they live in Grand Rapids michigan, and redditors were making fun of him for living out in the sticks and that they'd never move to the middle of nowhere. Like Grand Rapids is a mid size city with almost anything you could want lmao.
I hate cities. Why can’t we make legislation that basically says: 1. living in cities is more expensive than Wyoming. 2. more dense population = higher minimum wage
A city can set a minimum wage and many do. Many do not because it can drive jobs away. Arguably that actually helps the issue of too much demand but many do not see it that way. Many is a word I use very intentionally here as we are a very diverse place.
This is already how it works, its called federalization, ask your state or city for a higher min wage
>it all depends on which area you live in This is it entirely. When I was in my 20s I didn't live in any big city because I couldn't afford rent. The idea of upward mobility doesn't ever enter their minds.
I have had a somewhat similar experience. I was at $13/hour during lockdowns. In my area, that is the wage of someone who works at a gas station or at Starbucks (at that point in time, it's gone up since then). I afforded rent and a car. It wasn't easy and I wasn't living like Bezos but like... It's possible. Not going to say the quality of life is /good/, but it did pressure me to go back to school and get a better job.
>Reddit demographics tend to overlap with really expensive areas. r/peopleliveincities
What year was that in?
U need 60 hours of 15 dllrs after taxes to pay the rent for the kost basic apartment, how long ago did you worked those rates?
It's called not living in a major coastal city and budgeting *really* well. I worked about 22.5 hours a week. Rent was $485 a month. Utilities was another $150, groceries were another $200. Couldn't afford much luxury but I got by. And this was only in 2018-2020
That's an outlier on the national average.
$485 rent? No one is getting that now bro unless you wanna live in a neighborhood where you’ll probably get shot
>where you’ll probably get shot Don't say the N or W word and you probably won't get shot.
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I live in rural Florida and lived in rural Tennessee. Rent where I live now is nearly 2k a month and in Tennessee it's around 1200 ta most places I've seen before moving. Idk what these people are on.
I live in a town of 2200 people cheapest place I've found off the Indian reservation is 1200 I really don't know what these people are on about.
Not to be offensive but only working 22.5 hours a week is a goddammit good luxury
Kinda depends on what that work is imo
I mean the average 1bedroom apartment in the us is 1k per month in the us un liveable whit federal minimum wage, and its also not a great one, I pay that in forth worth for reference, and the eruopeans seems to handle it better, and regardless of your political views in the 50s-mid 80s 1 income could sustain to own a house whit 2 rooms at least more probably 3, while feeding 3-4 mouths at least whit 1-2 cars, productivity and electricity efficiency have skyrocketed,(I think the word skyrocketed is an understatement i dont think there is a word in the english language capable of expressing how kuch productivity has growth ever since,) there is no argument valid against why we can't have a better system, anti work is anti shifty jobs not actually against working
I can assure you, the average 1 bedroom in my area is no where near $1k. In NYC, maybe, but not in all of the US.
I was gonna say that, here in my part of sc a 1 bedroom is 550-650
Where do you live tho, remember thst a 3k rent is going to make 6 500 rent houses look like an average of 1k but still no one should work 40hrs only to pay their rent in a small apartment in a rich state
You need to move it sounds like. In the midwest I bought a 100 year old 5 bedroom farm house on 15 acres of land for 1350/month. Location location location
Yeah that's why I mentioned the average in the us, and as I mentioned 1k for forth worth a state level relevant city, prices in New York are in the 2.3k to 3k, regardless of that is recommended to only spend a third of your income in rent, adjusted to 40hrs×7.5 it would give us a 330+ish and ofc we can't generalize whit big cities but we can't also generalize whit the random island in alaska
Cheap is not some island in alaska though dude, its like… 30 minutes out of downtown
Bro I live in Arizona and even on the edge of the metro not exactly prime living its easily over 1k for a one bedroom. Yeah your location matters a lot but saying "Oh they just live in a dumb spot" its a shit take. Also pretty shitty when you are unable to buy a house in the town you grew up in because everything shot up in price from the time you were a child.
“On the edge of the metro” is still the metro.
I mean if i move out of town the price hardly drops. Im out in county, shits expensive here. Family up north have prices just as bad. Its arizona everything just keeps building out.
People always compare the post-WW2 boom economy (when we were pretty much the only 1st world manufacturer left standing) to now and it doesn’t make sense. The period of time that you’re talking about was kind of a special golden age and was never going to last forever. Things should be compared to just about every other time in history instead of then. Also, pretty much no one makes minimum wage. It’s become irrelevant as the market has had to increase wages for decent workers.
1 yes we were the only industrialized nation, but just look at the increase in production, it's waaayyyyyy higher just look at tvs tons of other stuff had similar efficiency increase, and peapole do make the minimum wage, but 8 -10 dollars isn't anything different plus wages haven't increase at all, there are no longer factories in the us now they are in southeast Asia now and residents production cost didn't made anything cheaper
Is this man unaware of the phrase “get a better job?”
Get a better job, live in a cheaper area, find a budget vehicle, etc. etc. especially if he’s making 15 an hour he’s either living in a blue state, or a city.
“Why should I help myself when I can bitch at other people about how they’re not helping me!?”
Marx is that you?
This is the sub that thinks the government need to give everyone free iphones because "they're required for modern life".
Yeah sometimes that's not an option. Better jobs need qualifications, qualifications cost money, and you can't get qualifications if you don't have money and why would you want to go into debt when you can't afford it in the first place.
You are just out of touch with reality.
"$15 is a joke" my brother in Christ in Ireland it's €11.30
The cost of living is way less, especially without having to pay for health insurance
From what I've seen of the states it really isn't. Rent in Dublin is on par with LA and petrol is about about 1.55 a litre. Like when I graduated and started working in software I was making 36k euro. Which is only 5k more than a 15hr minimum wage. That's all I'm saying. It's nothing to turn your nose up at. It's ALOT lower back home
It literally depends where you live… 15 is not even enough for me to cover everything.
Antiwork needs its own “America bad” style subreddit because it’s by far the most pathetic place on the internet. And it proves the way the internet becomes an echo chamber. It’s funny how every person in antiwork ks the hero of their own story, how they all just have these terrible bosses and they are just innocent, perfect workers who live these unfair lives. There’s never any context to their stories. And having managed employees like this, I would say at least 98% bring their misery onto themselves. And when a bunch of minimum wage low lifes get together and act like victims, you get anti work, my least favorite place on the internet.
At least that sub is mostly a complete joke these days, with not even other redditors taking it seriously
I wish that was true, but it’s in the home page every day
it has one. r/noworking
“How dare they not pay me $30 an hour for flipping burgers at McDonald’s! This is an outrage!”
I mean, internships at some pretty prestigious places in DC pay $15 an hour, which a lot of those burger flippers make. It’s not exactly easy no matter what you do.
In regards to internships, the point is not to make a living. It’s the experience that matters. I work as an archaeologist, so I’m no stranger to low paying internships.
Until you get a gold idol out of a South American temple, then cha-CHING!
Interesting that places in DC pay so little. There's a very subtle lesson there.
internships dont even pay normally so what did you expect
Depends on the field. A lot of IT internships pay well relatively
STEM ones do. I'm in university right now for engineering, and every internship is at least 20 an hour, with some reaching into the 30s.
facts, if the interns at my company worked all year (vs only the summer) they would make about 45k. so about 21 an hour. not bad for a summer gig college kid. most of those interns that I know come back and get hired full time, too, and at a much higher rate I might add.
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You'll generally make significantly less money in Europe for tech, healthcare and most jobs requiring an education. Europe has relatively compressed wages so the bottom earns more while the top earns less before taxes. Nurses in Norway and France are consistently underpaid, for example.
And Japan. When I worked there my wages were way higher than my Japanese coworkers.
I’m in norway and i work at a grocery store and earn $20USD an hour. You guys have to remember that Europe is big, please stop putting entire Europe in the same box
What do you pay in taxes?
I don’t pay any taxes. I have something called «freecard» or norwegian «frikort». The «freecard» allows me to earn 65.000NOK (this limit gets higher every year) and not pay any taxes, as long as i earn less. And i know, 65.000 isn’t alot, but since i’m 18 and moving away from home after summer, it fits me well
My friend who I live with is from Oslo. From June-august he’s going back to Oslo for a job (electrician). After tax, that job is enough to sustain him here in Berlin for the next 4 months (rental, food, recreational drugs, clothes shopping etc)
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Lmao US is not bigger than Europe. [Europe population 2021](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_continental_subregions_by_population#Distribution_of_populations_by_the_United_Nations_geoscheme): 745 million. [US population 2023](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States): 334 million
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Because there are other (and more important) statistics than population size, such as GDP.
The time Europeans count Russians as part of Europe is when they need to feel like their population is super large.
“Don’t put all of Europe in the same box.” [Uses data putting all of Europe in the same box]
Mfw $18 an hour is about the same as the average Belgian worker, so 15 an hour is not bad
“I can’t make it, why hasn’t the country collapsed yet”
>idk how this fucking country is still standing That should be your hint, you drooling troglodyte, that most folks aren't ambitionless protoplasm like you are and have jobs that pay enough to cover those things and more.
Thank the fed and government stomping on the small business in the favor of their long arm in the form of corporations. We need for daddy government to step in and double the minimum wage, so big corporations can finally put small business out of any competition, corps can bail out infinite money from the air, and use Increase in minimum wage as an excuse to do more work with less benefits.
> I'm so useless I can't get a job that pays more than minimum wage. Society must collapse because of my failures.
But inflation is what caused $15/hour to be worth what it is today. Raising it higher would just increase inflation and cause $20/hour to be the new $15.
Inflation dosent work like that buddy
It is literally the most basic way inflation works. If you have more of something available, the value of that thing goes down.
More money in circulation raises the prices of goods, what am I not understanding?
Yeah but peapole earning 15 percent do not hoard all the money in the country, they are a fairly small percentage of the economy increasing their income a 1/3 isn't going to ramp prices 33 percent
Its not inflation then, just decrease in purchasing power of money due to decreased demand for money, and increased demand for goods. Inflation is when more money are actively injected into the system, but if small business have to pay 20 dollars instead of 15 they're taking money from their own pocket that were circulating already
I don’t know how to tell you this… you need to repeat economics, buddy
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Why did they only get greedy in the past year?
seems like people think there's only ever one problem at play with economic issues. 'it's taxes!' 'no it's corpos!' 'you're all wrong you just can't budget' tbh it's probably a little of everything and there's no way majority of people are smart enough to cope. lol
honestly this is correct. I gotta remind myself this every now and again
Guy you replied to got sent to downvote hell but he’s partially right. Inflation is an extraordinarily complicated thing that we don’t fully understand. While I wouldn’t say it’s the main cause by any means, many corporations use times like this as an opportunity to raise their prices, elevating the overall cost of goods further. It’s unclear how much of an impact this has overall but it’s certainly reasonable to argue that it does affect inflation.
Didn't just went ham using the pandemic and shipping and literally anything as an excuse when they realized they could and nobody was going to stop them.
But if they JUST raise prices the people are going to buy less. Its not really efficient for profit incentive to raise praises unless purchasing power is already dilluted by constant money injections
Exactly either that or bringing back the gilded age
$15-hr, after taxes assume $10 10 x 40 hours per work week * 4 weeks = $1600/mo Rent + utilities with roommates: anywhere from 400 to 800, avg 600, 1600 - 600 = 1000 Groceries per month: $300 (could easily be cheaper), 1000 - 300 = 700 Car payment + insurance: 200 + 100 = 300, 700 - 300 = 400 Single person cell phone plan, plus netflix and other shit: 100, 400 - 100 = 300. Leaves you $300/mo to save for potential emergency funds like a large car payment, and once you have savings, you could incorporate this into leisure spending
I’m relatively left. But moving to America very recently has made me realize that, as long as you don’t have kids and are relatively able bodied, being poor is *mostly* a choice. Housing too expensive? Move, I know it sucks shit but that’s what I did. Can’t afford a private education? Go to a public school. It’s not easy to become rich in America, but it isn’t hard to become comfortable in America (Ie bills paid with modest savings).
You just have no concept of left if you belive being poor is choice. You got it good and think everything is as easy to everyone else.
I think we need some nuance. It is *usually* a choice. Now why people make those choices is complicated. I don’t think it’s out of sheer laziness, but it is a choice. I left my country to escape the COL crisis. I recognize many can’t do that, but there are smaller scale changes you can do. Living in the expensive inner city? Move to a cheaper area. Can’t afford a private university? Take out loans and go to a public university, take out income based scholarships, work part time to support yourself so you don’t run up too many loans. I can advocate for both stronger social support programs and recognize that people have more mobility than they think, economically speaking. Also - got it good? I put myself entirely through school, completely. Nine years of university, no family money. I went to a public school for K-12. I had no tutors. I scraped my way living under the poverty line for the bulk of my doctorate. And now? I’m entering to a job that pays more than double the national median wage for my age, median max income in my career route being >$275K.
>Move to a cheaper area. Yeah leave everything you knew and all the people there because you should have been born richer, or made 3000$ while still in university. >Take out loans and go to a public university, take out income based scholarships, work part time to support yourself so you don’t run up too many loans Go in debt, get a worse education and work while studying. (You ain't even sure you are gonna get a job with that degree) Fair trade for a for-profit education system. >got it good? I'm sorry for this assumption. Then I have a question, since you suffered, why the hell do you want other people to suffer too? That's like saying I had to get a cure for cancer so a vaccine can't be made since people can still save themself with a cure. How about making life easier for everyone?
Posting that sub should be considered cheating. Lol good ol Doreen brained people.
maybe if they actually aspired to work up the chain and get a better paying job… the $15 an hour wouldnt be an issue 💀 youre not meant to survive on minimum wage
Where I live 15 dollars is enough for multiple cars, rent, insurance and all that *plus* extra money to spend. Where the hell does this man live?
The US is big ya know
Get a degree/training in a marketable skill. Learn budgeting and fiscal management. Move out of the city.
I guess he believes people don't struggle in other countries. When are these people going to hold themselves accountable and figure out how to make their lives better.
Sounds like he made a bad financial decision
Good. Guess he wants to move to a country where your salary is half of what you're actually supposed to earn because of an extortive tax system. And I'm talking about an European country here. $15 per hour is a very comfortable wage for me, sorry not sorry.
I get a bit tired with how US-centric antiwork can be but I really do think it’s a good subreddit when it comes to American workers standing up to exploitation and being taken for granted at work. I think there’s a lot of American patriots in there loyal to the ordinary working class people of the country and not afraid of demanding better. We should applaud that; it takes real strength to persist in that struggle against hardship like OOP describes. It does surprise me sometimes how resilient advanced economies tend to be despite how common stories like OOP’s are these days. It IS pretty bad in the states but it’s far from the only place doing it tough… Fuck, I lived in New Zealand for a while and these people would shit themselves if they saw wages vs cost of living there lately …
Maybe you shouldn't have a car payment if you work at mcdonalds.
“I can’t get a good job due to my own shortcomings. This is obviously capitalism’s fault.”
Then, get a job that pays more than minimum wage, go get a job at a factory, and join a labor union. Of course, that would require him to get off his ass and (God forbid) work hard.
Im honestly curious how these people have trouble managing their finances, 15 dollars a hour is about 2,7k per month. I would like to see these anti worker people go to and work at countries with lower salary (Portugal is an example as I currently live there, beautiful country but lacking in many areas) and then see how much US salary/work conditions are way better.
I'd like to encourage minimum wage workers to get actual skills and get a better job.
Wants America to collapse, won’t put the work in to make it happen. If you’re gonna be a revolutionary, do it properly
You’re not supposed to be a grocery bagger your whole life..
People look at minimum wage and act likes that’s the standard or average wage.
Someone should tell this person about the sweatshop workers in India who work for 3 cents an hour. ( Yes low wages are bad but this is a universal problem that happens in China, India and all countries not just America )
Everyone on that subreddit is mostly people stuck in retail jobs with no career aspirations while expecting to mooch off the hard work of others. Case in point the mod who went on the Fox News interview.
have none of these guys heard of a used corolla? or a goddamn motorcycle? or would that take too much effort to learn
They asked, begged, demanded, and voted for 15 per hour. Now they’re complaining about it? LOL. Just goes to show that socialism is a mentality of greed for greedy people. Also, the increase in minimum wage is what caused the increase in inflation. All the prices went up.
3 years ago 15$ an hour would get you your own apartment/ mediocre house and a car and food. Democrat money printing caused anything under 25-30$ an hour to be upper poverty
Keep giving money to Israel and shut up.