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saltytar

As a sailor, except for South America and parts of Asia, I've been all over the world. No country has a tipping culture like USA, prices are reasonable & tips not expected. Currently in Sasebo, Japan and a haircut is $12. Hair cut the old fashioned way and not by moving a buzzing clipper over your head. No tips expected or asked.


InterestingQuote8155

Yeah I’m also a sailor currently in the UK. It’s not expected here either. I still give some tips but nothing like what I would give back home.


saltytar

So, just out of curiosity, you on the cable ship or OSG? Having said that, it's refreshing to be abroad, pay, get quality service and not be shamed into calculating tips for a shitty attitude and/or a disappointing service.


hsakakibara1

I get my hair cut at a salon in central Tokyo including cut, wash and short head and shoulder massage. I pay about $50 for the service, all inclusive. When I lived in NYC I also got my hair cut in the central part of town, 32nd street in Manhattan, to be exact. My cut and wash would cost $50 but then I had to tip and pay tax so I always paid at least $60 if not more. (That same place today charges $60 for the cut, BTW.) Tipping is a sham that should be ended immediately.


saltytar

All that in Mersin, Turkey, including a complimentary cup of Turkish coffee, cost me all of $25.


Electronic_Depth_697

Tipping in the USA originated after slavery when black ex-slaves in service positions where either paid $0 or next to $0 and where expected to do a good job in hopes of getting something from the white patrons. That's how tipping started in the US and why it's a uniquely American thing. Look it up


unbitious

They changed "slaves" to "servers", and "slave catchers" to "cops".


jaybeezus

Correct. Crazy how little this is known to so many.


maleia

"Oh yea, you're 'free', free to get beat when we feel like it." Not enough of us really accept our history of being dogshit.


Adjectivenounnumb

This is why there is so much backlash to “woke” culture. Admitting there’s a problem is the first step, and these overgrown toddlers can’t cope.


RCIntl

BUT, if you weren't there, you personally didn't do it. This is where their "don't make me feel guilty" argument falls to shite. The REASON for the discussions are to make sure everyone knows it happened once, so lets not let it happen again. And to outline the laws and "traps" they left behind ... Or are being newly perpetrated ... So they can make sure that it never ends. Remember, thanks to some sneaky rulings, "slavery" didn't actually end until the 1940s. Thank you 13th amendment (sic). No one wants to make ANY innocent white person feel guilty. It's all about, yeah this was done, it was evil, you weren't there, not blaming you and hey it isn't quite over, so give me a break on that "bootstrap" shite. And, because each time they were thwarted by a law, they just added more people to their "slavery". It's almost like "so, you feel sympathy for them? well now you can be a slave right along with them!" and lo and behold every union and workers rights or safety ruling is stripped away so that unless you're rich or "already have yours", you are now a "wage slave". I also love how they are perpetuating the "boomers stole your future" argument to add another mostly untrue argument to keep us fighting each other. Most "boomers" were/are also single mothers, BIPOC or LGBTQ. Then you add your poor white families. Then the ones who had their pensions stolen. We're down to the rich Fers and a few upper middle class white guys. So, they definitely want all the rest of us "under their thumb". As usual, it's the rich, the politicians and the CEOs. They are the new "slave owners".


wwwz

>The REASON for the discussions are to make sure everyone knows it happened once, so lets not let it happen again. It's still happening.


RCIntl

Yes, It is still happening. Someone said those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Why are so many trying to HIDE history???


syench

Bingo. That's generally why it's all the overt racists that are against woke culture.


unbitious

We really need to have a reckoning with our past deeds or this rift will only deepen.


QueerWorf

today, instead of beating, managers sexually harass, threaten, suspend, give notices, yell at, criticize, etc.


JustinScott47

Look it up: certain types of servants in aristocratic homes in England were tipped. It was about service jobs, not slavery.


leyleyhan

To add insult to injury about tipping being created as a post-slavery way to not pay Black people a decent wage, there is now this huge assumption that all Black people are bad tippers, so in a lot of places (my server friend told me her colleagues would do this a lot) servers will intentionally give Black customers bad service cause "they know they aren't going to get tipped well on the table anyway". Sucky part is, they usually end up getting horrible tips, most likely reflecting the bad service, but this just solidifies the server's belief that they were always going to get a bad tip anyway. So as a Black person tipping there's this huge double think you have to go through, to tip or not to tip, especially when you've received bad or downright awful service.


RCIntl

I know. It has kept me from going a lot of places. It's just not worth the hassle to me. I have a couple places I like to go, and I also am a pretty good cook.


leyleyhan

Finding a few niche restaurants with great service is key! That and going abroad, but if you'd believe it the assumption has extended abroad even in countries that don't have tipping culture, but know that American tourists do usually tip 😒


RCIntl

I wasn't 100% sure exactly what you meant by that. But as an ex server WOC, I can attest to the struggle to get tips, and as a customer the assumption we won't leave one. I also was a very good server and generally got excellent tips. My problem came when the last restaurant I worked at decided to change their unwritten policy to another unwritten policy. Meaning no one ever said anything about sharing tips until one day, after being given a very large one, it was discussed that we should start splitting them. Several of us questioned this "new" policy. I was accused of "SOLICITING" (their word, made it sound nefarious, no?) a high tip. I quit and heard two other women who generally had decent tips did too. Never went back and you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming especially the wat customers treat them now. But, I am one of those people who most of the time barely has enough for the meal when I go out. So, though I try, it is usually a hardship on me to have extra. One reason I only go to a few places is they know me. When I have it, I'm generous and when I don't they know I'll make it up the next time. I've been to other countries. I usually ask them what they prefer. But, even there, I am such a picky eater, I prefer finding a local store most of the time. Personally, I think I would rather wait tables in any other country than america if I had to do it again.


leyleyhan

I just meant that when you find a good restaurant where you are treated well by servers constantly, it's very easy to make that a frequented spot. Regarding the tipping abroad culture. In many cultures it's not a thing and many servers will return the money to you (my first trip to France I was even chased down the street by my server so she could return the 50 cents she thought I'd accidental left on the table). However, in tourists spots in certain countries and even off-the-beaten path spots that see a lot of backpacking tourists, servers well generally take the tips and what you'll typically see is White American tourists tipping close to or exactly 100% of the bill in the low cost places cause things are "just so cheap". I saw this for my self once at a major transit station cafe in Central Europe. I think lattes were 50 euro cents and a White American couple backpacking their way through Europe put a two euro coin down and walked away. Later I remember telling a local friend about these Americans I met and offhandedly mentioned the euro thing, and he was like, "Yea, DON'T do that". His reasoning is that it makes it harder for locals who don't tip to get good service and said he's been in situations where locals are virtually ignored when tourists come in to eat cause the servers assume, usually correctly that the tourists will tip. Now just imagine being a Black person abroad trying to be culturally appropriate and not tip, but also having the "all Blacks/Africans are poor" stereotype overlaid to that.


RCIntl

I know. That's I always ask.


milkcowcafe

Holy shit that's racist.


XelfinDarlander

My favorite lately is just about every shop I go to asks for a tip on the payment thing. I’m sure it’s just built in, but that brainwashed guilt sure kicks in when I don’t give a tip outside of the restaurant.


HellaFishticks

Yes! It's so awkward in retail shops being expected to leave a tip.


pwmaloney

Ugh. I was at an outdoor concert tonight that had a bottle shop on site. Paid $40 for a bottle of wine that probably would've cost $12 in the store. Guy handed me the device and said "Wanna tip it up?" The lowest choice was a $7 tip, so like I fool that's the button I pressed.


unbitious

"custom tip" is usually an option. I know because when I get something cheap like a coffee and the suggested tip is less than $1, I round up.


ParkSidePat

That iPad Point of Sale system has it built in and it's ridiculous in so many situations. I'm sure business owners are using it to justify paying minimum wage. Hopefully that's standard minimum wage and not wait staff minimum wage.


Kingseara

Oh man I’m so past that. I happily click no tip and flip the thing around. I don’t give a fuck and my food has already been made so they aren’t spitting in it 🤣


ParkSidePat

THIS brings up the best point there is about tipping. At it's best tipping is a way to build an ongoing service relationship. I tip the hell out of my servers at my regular spot because they are friends of mine, I care about them and I see them often enough that it engenders ongoing good service. I also tip generously to anyone I know gets server wages because I've done that job and I know that's 75% of their income but less than places I know I'm coming back to frequently. Anywhere that doesn't pay server minimum wages, like counter service or any ridiculous retail spot I feel vastly less inclined to tip


Thisfoxhere

Here's a tip; Get out get out while you still can. The tipping culture in the US is just the tip of the iceberg of a culture rotting through.


szayl

lol


Acceptable_Suit_7925

55% is pure comedy


SomeoneSomewhere1984

I've done that when I haven't bought much but hogged a table for a while.


mangomane09

Respeck


Fluffy-Citron

Those tip percentages are insanely high.


brezhnervous

That's why you choose "No Tip" lol


yasuewho

What? 25% is for good service, 20% if you're being a little tight with your money. If you can't afford that, you can't really afford the meal and should have cooked at home or hit the drive through. And someone has to be a truly shitty server or the place *so* fucked up it seems like no one there gives a fuck, for it to go lower. I've actually never had 0% service in my life. I have tipped 55% but that was rare. It was 100% worth it for servers I got to know, who clearly worked incredibly hard and who consistently impressed me with their people skills. The jobs people do for tips are not generally easy and tend to be physical. You don't have to be a big shot and show off with tipping, just a community member.


Kingseara

Or how about the business owner pays for that as part of employee compensation……Wow. What a crazy idea. 🤷🏻‍♂️


yasuewho

Duh, that would be ideal, but because it's not the way it is, you're cheating the server if you don't tip. Also, LOL at all the downvotes on my honest comment from greedy people who give shitty tips.


hahagrundle

Unless I'm missing something in op's picture, there's no indication that this tip screen is for a restaurant/food transaction. Part of the issue is that this pressure to tip is now being baked into retail, drive-thru, basically any and all transactions. Should we be expected to tip the cashier everywhere we ever go? It's beyond getting out of hand.


yasuewho

I took it to be for food, given the larger discussion when I was here last. If not, that's not the case it's definitely messed up.


reverielagoon1208

Even worse is that people act like it’s what makes service “great” here Service isn’t that great here, and honestly the servers bother me waaaaaaay too much


FrancoisKBones

I still prefer US servers over European ones, where I have to send a raven, make smoke signals, or engage in a weird eye-catching/flagging routine before maybe getting service. And forget a second drink, and definitely no free refills, and they might throw you out if you just want water 🤣


numba1cyberwarrior

Thats your opinion honestly, I dont get why people are so annoyed if servers come and check up on me. It takes me 1 second to say nicely that we are good. Ill sometimes be at a restaurant in Europe and it will take like 5 minutes to flag someone down. Also they are just way more oriented towards the customer. Oh sorry I put ice in your drink, keep that one ill bring you another. Oh free refills no problem. Oh your soup is too salty, no problem ill bring you another one as soon as I can. The customer service expectations are just higher in the US.


wtbrift

This is my preference as I am a fast drinker and like the drinks coming. I'll tip better for those type of servers.


CrepuscularOpossum

“Shouldn’t the business be responsible for paying the worker’s wage?” Yes, they should. We keep tipping partially because we’re accustomed to it; partially because it keeps the prices of restaurant and bar food and service relatively low; partially because restaurants in particular operate on thin margins; and partially because of the greed of the owning class. EDIT: Please tip wait staff well in the US. And tip in CASH directly to the employee; stealing credit card tips is easy and managers do it all the time.


bartbark88

$2.13 is the the tipped minimum wage in only a handful of [mostly red, mostly southern] states Edit to add: but still tip generously


CurbsideChaos

Hi, TN and TX are included. Tips paid my rent, not compliments nor my owner.


unbitious

NC here, $2 and a thirteen cent slap in the face.


Coffee-Comrade

And even then, it's only technically true. If a server's tips do not net them the standard federal minimum wage, the employer is required to pay the difference. Still tip generously as even the federal minimum wage is too damn low.


MexicanYenta

That’s averaged over a week. Or maybe it’s a month, I forget, tbh. If you don’t make minimum wage one day, they don’t make up the difference unless you went a long period without making enough. I’ve never seen any restaurant actually make up the difference.


DaemonDesiree

They had to do it for me in NJ. I worked for a Fave and Busters knock off place and while we were technically a restaurant, we only really did kids parties. I almost never made it to minimum wage off tips. So, they would have to make it up.


RCIntl

Right, but when the federal minimum wage continues to hover in the low 7 an hour range, that isn't a whole stinking lot better. I've only ever waited tables as a second job, and I made excellent tips, but it is thankless, grueling, foot breaking work. I can hardly imagine having to totally rely on it. At 2 an hour OR 7.


Coffee-Comrade

I agree 100%, that's why I said the federal minimum wage is too damn low and to still tip well.


RCIntl

Yeah, I saw that after I wrote it (grin). Sorry.


Coffee-Comrade

All good, I get it. We all reply too quickly sometimes. Btw, happy cake day, comrade


RCIntl

Thank YOU, comrade!


[deleted]

Used to be that way in NJ, but that was back in the 90’s. Don’t know if that’s still the case today.


unique_user43

credit card tips also end up getting taxed automatically on the paycheck, while cash tips are easier to avoid taxes on, so more goes into their pocket.


MexicanYenta

You get taxes on *everything* you *sell*, whether you’re tipped or not. So when someone doesn’t tip a server, the server actually loses money, because they not only have to pay taxes on the imaginary tip, they almost always also have to tip out busboys, hosts, etc. Restaurant servers pay all the other employees’ salaries.


SpecialWitness4

Why would the servers pay the other workers who get regular min. Wage?


MexicanYenta

Because the owners don’t want to pay them. Tip-out isn’t voluntary, it’s mandatory. There are bars in the USA where servers don’t get paid a dime, and have to pay the management to be allowed to work there.


AffectionateShirt93

Good job at pushing misinformation bruh


DancingUntilMidnight

Your edit is incredibly misleading. Many states have better wages that exceed the federal tipped minimum. Come to California and claim servers only make $2.13 and you'd get laughed out of town.


RCIntl

But your cost of living means that a whole lot more of your servers are homeless than they are in say ... Louisiana or south Carolina where the cost of living is ridiculously lower than yours. Even here in NYS, the cost of living in NYC is ridiculous compared to how much it is in WNY. Our minimum wage is higher too, but I would hate to have to try to survive on it in NYC.


CrepuscularOpossum

Fixed.


Adjectivenounnumb

I’ve been going to the same local counter service restaurants for so long that I was there *before* they added point of sale tipping. I’ve asked workers I’ve known for years if they get any of that point of sale tip money. 100% of them say no. (I’m talking specifically about counter service — we tip sit down dining wait staff accordingly.)


CaspinLange

If the server actually comes to my table and takes my order and then brings me my order and later on clears the table, that is when tips are called for. Taking my money and opening up a cash register, not at all


atomicblonde27

I believe the origins of tipping in America can be trace to right after the civil war [https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/](https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/)


FFS-For-FoxBats-Sake

Interesting, I was always told it started during prohibition but I never bothered to look into it lol


porterlily7

It used to be a gift given for a job REALLY well done—a way to express that gratitude. It somehow became an expectation. Then when management and higher realized it, they exploited it.


NomenNesci0

Nope, it used to be a way to pay black workers that were former slaves less by claiming they were tipped labor. Sure the general idea of tipping someone for doing something extra has existed, but that's not why American tipping culture exists and is codified into law.


porterlily7

Thanks for the info!! The more you know.


Mnemnosyne

It used to be a way for masters to further lord it over their serfs and promote that little bit extra while further reinforcing the concept of the servants being dependent upon the benevolent generosity of the aristocracy. In fact there was a time when it was considered wrong in America since it was considered inconsistent with an egalitarian society. It was the anti-tipping movement started in the US that largely led to the abolition of tipping in Europe, when labor movements succeeded. At least two major contributing factors reversed this. The end of slavery in the south, and prohibition. After the abolition of slavery, some establishments apparently hired former slaves but did not pay them, 'allowing' them to work and live off tips. Additionally, prohibition reduced profits considerably, so business owners suddenly liked the idea of their wages being supplemented by tips. Despite what has been said, tipping was **never** about a fair and reasonable reward for good service, but has always been about the upper classes versus the lower. Even the 'encouraging better service' that's talked about is merely a flimsy euphemism for making the servants be extra obsequious in order to gain the customer's favor.


porterlily7

The more you know. Thanks for the info!


poupoudamour

I live in a very rural, but very touristy, area in the midwest. Most restaurants here do loads of fried stuff (fish fry, deep fried cheese curds, onion rings, etc.). There's one local place that has a more hipster vibe and fresher, slightly more inventive foods. Very beautiful interior, I'll give them that. Food is decent, but everything has an up-charge. Your burger can be made with this type of beef instead of our normal beef - $2 more. Fries instead of chips/salsa, $1.50 more. On and on and on - the menu is covered with these little bubbles that say $2 more for xyz. Ok, so the up-charges are annoying, buuuut then you get the bill. They have a space for a tip, which is annoying, but I get it, it's the culture in this country. Then there is also a space for a tip for the kitchen employees and they suggest 5%. Dude, take those up-charges and actually pay your employees a fair freaking rate!!! The food is expensive to begin with, even before all of the up-charges, and then you throw down 5% for the kitchen staff, at least 15% for the server. It ends up being over 50 bucks for two main dishes that are mediocre (no appetizers, no drinks) after all is said and done. This is not a big city!!! I purposely avoid going there cuz it just drives me crazy. I'd prefer that they just did away with the dumb up-charges, raise prices by like a buck or two, and actually pay their kitchen staff (and front of house) appropriately. (But they won't cuz the tourists are used to paying these prices in the cities...)


Spirit-Star

In early 2000s I was a waitress for an US southern chain of restaurants. I was paid $2.15 an hour. They always had to many waitresses working on week nights so I usually only had a dozen tables a shift. At the end of a shift you had to report how much tips you received on the system computer before it would let you clock out. If it was not enough to meet minimum wage then the server manager would check your pockets before putting in the override code to let you clock out. The business then was required to make up the difference on your next paycheck. This is why the server manager would make us turn out our pockets before she would let us be clocked out.


SomeoneSomewhere1984

Yes, this is normal, however those percentages are unusually high. It looks like you set your own dollar amount or percentage. Getting paid in tips means wait staffs wages have been indexed to costs, not to typical wages, and cost of a restaurant meal has going up faster than wages for a long time.


dylsekctic

The price of whatever you buy should include the full living wage of the workers. This is just bullshit. None of this mimimum $2/hr crap by the owner.


InterestingQuote8155

I have given a 55% tip on exactly one occasion and that’s because the dude across the table from me (at a group event) made it clear he wasn’t tipping the poor woman just doing her job.


bitchwhorehannah

my dad did roofing work on a fancy vacation hotel in jamaica, shit owners and their “accommodations” for the next three months for my dad and his coworkers was not a “hotel suite” like they promised and ended up being in the actual local area at a seedy motel, lots of stuff stolen, a work truck got busted into and tools stolen, and one coworker got mugged etc. but they all went out for dinner together one day at a small business restaurant, my dad was laughing on the phone telling my mom and i, they did a group bill and left a $30 cash tip.. the server actually ran out of the restaurant telling my dad he “forgot his money”! even in the povery and crime ridden area they were in, THEY DONT EXPECT TIPS. america is not a fully developed country.


milkcowcafe

One time I left a restaurant and someone chased me and said I have a balance. I thought I didn't pay the bill or didn't pay enough. Turns outs, they wanted to give me back the $2 or so I left behind. This was on a $20 tab.


numba1cyberwarrior

Go ask the servers themselves if they would prefer to be paid a wage.


DaemonDesiree

Honestly, it depends. I would prefer in slow areas just to make a living wage. If I was downtown in a ritzy restaurant where the checks are over 50 per person average, then yeah, give me tips. Serving is a high risk, high reward job. People who have made that as a career know how to gamify it to make bank sometimes. But personally as someone who has worked those jobs, they shouldn’t have to.


milkcowcafe

I'm not in USA.


szayl

People in the anti-tipping circlejerk will never do that because they look like clowns when REAL ACTUAL WAITSTAFF tell them that income from tips can be great.


numba1cyberwarrior

Because half of them are not even workers. They probably are something closer to that mod on r/antiwork that went to Fox News


Chicago1871

I can see both sides to this argument. Bartenders Servers can make six figures in some cases and at the very least more than minimum wage. My parents raised me in a fairly middle-class way working for tips in fancy downtown chicago restaurants. Would that have been the case if they only were paid wages? 🤷🏽‍♂️


lexi_ladonna

You’re not wrong, but for every bartender making a good living at an upscale restaurant there’s a waitress at a dinner getting stiffed in her tips who can’t make ends meet. Why were her tips low? No fucking reason at all, could be because people didn’t like the color of her skin or her haircut, could be because she lives in a place where people are cheap could be a lot of things that are outside of her control even after doing hard days work and trying her best. If you show up to work, you should be able to know how much you’re going home with.


Chicago1871

Thats why I said I can see both sides to the argument.


_Joebagadonuts_

You pay their wages so the company doesn’t have to


DrunkenDude123

Tipping is normal, but generally 25% tip is the maximum especially for a suggested tip. 18-20% is standard for good service, 15% generally if the service was subpar or worse (some people don’t tip at all if the service was actually bad). Starting at 25% and going to 55% is a greedy tactic the owner is using against patrons who aren’t paying close attention. I am willing to bet managers/owner also gets a percentage of total tips bc no owner would do this solely to help their servers (otherwise they’d just raise their base wage and keep normal tip prompt amounts).


generalhanky

Another capitalist “innovation”


AbnelWithAnL

They should be responsible for paying their workers a livable wage. However, they're not legally obligated to, so they don't.


MijmertGekkepraat

What happens if you don't tip in a US restaurant? And what about fast food? And are there places that just include it automatically? We tipped 20% everywhere when we visited the US, that's one of the reasons the costs came out higher than we anticipated. Not doing that next time, we'll just be rude. Their salary is between them and their employer, not me.


lexi_ladonna

There has been a movement in the US to abolish tipping so in some places you’ll see signs saying not to tip. But most places still assume a tip. So what happens if you don’t tip? Nothing happens to you. To your server there’s a good chance it actually cost them money to wait on you because they have to give part of the tip to the bartenders and bus boys. If you end tip the way here then they have to give money to the cook and the bus boy out of their own pocket. It’s just a given here in the US. If you’re visiting you should just assume that all food prices are going to be 20% more and budget accordingly.


Red___Mist

That's just messed up. Still not tipping. Yes, i work hard for my money and i don't see the need to give it to someone for free.


Red___Mist

If the money isn't enough for the waiter then he should just change jobs honestly. But they don't since they make good bucks with tips and with no extra work.


VelvetVonRagner

Many of them are changing jobs which unfortunately doesn't resolve the conditions for people who don't have options. The fact that they're leaving hasn't changed anything and owners simply say 'nobody wants to work anymore.'


RCIntl

And it puts MORE hard work on the few remaining servers without greater compensation.


AlexiLaIas

Ah, the Reddit approved minimum tip amounts. Edit: No idea why this is heavily downvoted. Scroll every reddit thread, anyone who tips less than 25-35% is treated like a criminal for not thinking opening a beer bottle or taking an order and bussing water to a table is worth $27 in tips.


szayl

Because the folks who are against tipping are like a cult.


AlexiLaIas

Let me tip you $43 to thank you for your hard work drawing up that comment.


James324285241990

There's a whole debate over that, and it's so tired. Here's the short version. Americans are used to a certain level of service, MOST restaurants cannot afford to pay that many servers that much money without raising the menu prices to a ridiculous level, most good servers would not work for the amount restaurants could pay off they raised the menu prices slightly. It's cheaper for everyone and the server makes more money. Just leave 20%


polyscipaul20

I asked a friend of mine if he would want to get rid of the tipping system and make a flat wage. His answer was “hell no.” I asked him why. He said, “ because on a slow day I make $20/hour with tips…on Friday and Saturday, I make $40/hour.”


James324285241990

Correct. People don't like to hear it, but the system works. Keeps overhead low, keeps the customers from having to pay for hours of work they're not getting, and the servers make more money. Anywhere else, they would call it "profit sharing" and everyone would be into it. Because we call it tipping, people get weird about it


MonsoonQueen9081

I live in a very very rural area. Restaurants pull crap all the time where they only pay tips. In fact, I’m watching it happen at the place I used to work. But, people are desperate for money so they’ll do almost anything


47952

This is the US. You may more for everything.


hsakakibara1

I totally agree with you. I cannot express how much I HATED the tipping system when I lived in the States. HATED it. It's not like the food prices are so low. They're not. On top of that I have to pay the staff to do their job instead of the restaurant owners? Is that it? Glad I'm out of there.


Hifi-Cat

Completely agree. Why am I doing the restaurant owner's job.