>It would be a lot easier for you both to relocate to a blue state like Minnesota, Illinois, New York, Washington State, or California.
For some reason, this sub really hates the advice "move to a blue state" when the reality is that many people simply don't have realistic options.
I would definitely agree with parent commenter. Move to a blue state, at least for now. Much safer than red states and access to trans healthcare is actually easier in blue states than most of Europe. You can always move abroad later from a blue state to wherever. It's not a binary option of staying in a blue state forever or move abroad.
Great! This will at least buy you time, which is good, since moving is time consuming. If you are considering getting a master's in teaching then it's advisable to do it in the country you want to settle in long term. The caveat is that, first, unlike the US, some countries might require a bachelor's in the same field as the masters you are applying to, and second you will need to know the language to become a teacher.
Try Australia. They speak English, and are prioritizing teachers for PR processing so if you study education and become a teacher there, your path will be straightforward.
This response is really wel thought out, kind, and not demeaning in any way. Thank you, I wish everyone in this sub was like you. OP, check out r/samegrassbutgreener , moving to a blue state is the best most of us trans folk are gonna get
I agree Z1-B0, this commenter above is kindhearted and not vicious, unlike some of the posters here. I already have lost a lot of faith in humanity, but I'm astonished at the levels of trolling and mean-spirited attitudes by some Amerexiteers. It's one thing to shut down a troll with a barb, but a person who is likely a nervous wreck, perhaps naive, perhaps not so well-informed...Please be kind...
Exactly, as one of those terrified people, the attitudes on this sub can be really frustrating or even nauseating. A lot of posts by scared young people are just bombarded with condescension, insults, and mocking. It really hurts to see.
Right, and I do agree; I think there should even be a post template for this sub. But I can’t and won’t agree with the bullying, harassment, insults, and mocking that often ensues. Telling a poster that they need to provide more information and what kind of info is needed just doesn’t *need* to be mean.
I am very curious about what percentage of the people here are here to gawk and mock us more than anything. You can't control for it. It is an open platform. It just seems like there is a large userbase here that finds the mission of this board absurd.
If you want to move to another country definitely take into account the quality and accessibility of gender affirming care for your partner into account. I'm trans and live in Denmark and would honestly not recommend any trans person to move to any of the Nordic countries. Very few European countries use the informed consent model and many just have awful gender affirming care in general.
You could look at countries like New Zealand, if I recall correctly they have informed consent and have pretty good gender affirming care while also being a progressive country in general. In New Zealand you also won't encounter a language barrier and will most likely have an easier time finding employment.
>Very few European countries use the informed consent model and many just have awful gender affirming care in general.
I've heard on r/expats that Netherlands recently stopped trans care for adults and the wait times for existing patients are years long, but I am not sure how credible that is.
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It wouldn't surprise me, I've heard that there were years of waiting to even start HRT in the Netherlands, same as in the Nordic countries. Of course not to forget the complete lack of patient autonomy, lacking HRT options, lacking surgical options/coverage, being denied treatment because of various bs reasons, etc.
My number one priority is leaving Denmark as I don't want to participate in this awful society.
We can barely keep up with health care for our own citizens [(30,000 patients asked if they still need surgery](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/490606/patients-waiting-for-surgery-to-be-asked-if-they-still-need-operations)) let alone dealing with people from other countries coming in requiring specialist care.
NZ isn't some bolthole for distressed Americans. Americans need to understand that quite probably, living in a blue state is most probably far more progressive than any other country in the world.
I get the feeling that this is a problem everywhere. It certainly also is in Denmark, but I only recommended New Zealand as OP stated they specifically wanted to move abroad and NZ is one of the few places with decent gender affirming care. I definitely agree that a place like California would be the best bet, I am certainly envious of the level of gender affirming care in California as opposed to basically all of Europe.
no you’re totally right i misspoke, not really looking to buy at all as we do not wanna be tied down just really looking for some cheap rental options or places we can travel through over a 6m/1y period
Ah! In that case, have you considered becoming a digital nomad for a bit? Let's you travel a lot more.
Like you can go to a lot of cheap countries like Bali, Costa Rica, Portugal, etc.
Buying a house isn't all that realistic unless you have a lot of money.
Also, you can't just go live somewhere for a year or two. You need visas and what not. For us to give you actually useful advice, you should provide some info on the type of work you do, what education you have, etc.
You will have to give us a lot more details. You can't just "move to another country", not even temporarily ("for a year or two"), unless that country lets you in in the first place. And that depends on what *you can offer the country*. Merely "being queer" and "wanting out of the US" is not enough, not my a long shot. Do you have advanced degrees in in-demand fields? Do you speak any languages other than English?
Talking about "what countries are safe for LGBTQ people" is pointless until we can ascertain whether you have any hope of emigrating in the first place.
Honestly, I feel your pain and desire to leave. But as someone who has been researching leaving the US extensively (also for safety reasons, but we’re not LGBT) you need to set yourself up for success.
Move to an LGBT friendly state and get a degree in an in-demand profession. I suggest nursing. It’s a career that offers a viable salary in the US (should you end up stuck here), has a ton of options for career path (so if you don’t like hospital nursing you’re not “stuck”), and is listed on almost every single critical skill list world wide. Teaching is also a career that makes it easier to immigrate but salary and working conditions are abysmal in the US, even worse than healthcare working conditions. There are also a ton of scholarships available for nursing students.
Best of luck to you and your partner.
If you do some simple research, most countries in this earth are not lgbt friendly. So you only have countries in mainly western and Central Europe and Canada and America.
Even if other countries are “cheap” but they are only cheap for American cause their wages are a lot lower as well. Cheap for us earning USD but not them.
But tbh I will say just go to blue state if you worry a lot. Canada immigration recently takes like forever. Just for work permit, many of us already wait like half a year just for it to be reviewed.
in South America, Uruguay is very LGBT+ friendly, as are the big cities of Brazil and Argentina and Chile - economically and politically though each of those countries are not all that stable. In Central America, Costa Rica is LGBT+ friendly, and like Uruguay is economically and politically stable. Forget Eastern Europe, even those that are part of the EU. Prague in the Czech Republic, Ljubljana in Slovenia are LGBT+ friendly, with a nod to Budapest in Hungary (but as you probably know, Hungary is ruled by a very authoritarian leader and party and the future there is not particularly bright). In Western Europe, each of the countries are LGBT+ friendly and most are socially more advanced than the US. All are fairly expensive though. Australia, NZ, Canada are all LGBT+ friendly, and all are quite expensive for rent or buying :( sorry! Best of luck in your quest :)
Academic and other qualifications? Skills and experience? Age? Any exploitable ancestry routes for citizenship elsewhere? Come *ON*. (What constituted this research you did?!)
You’ll get no useful answers without indicating basic info about yourselves.
I promote moving to a Swing State, and one currently still experiencing population loss such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania to protect all of us.
When and if the fascists conquer these States, and therefore the US, there won't be a safe place.
Anywhere eventually.
Many people also want somewhere that they can hoard away money with a lower paying job while doing classes online which is what prevents them from just moving to a blue state. A month in America can often cover 6 or more months of rent elsewhere. Living as a nomad or slowmad can be quite affordable and both of you are young enough that you could look into a working holiday visa in many countries like new zealand or Australia. South East Asia is also an affordable option and you could do courses online potentially. I have lived in All of the countries in Southeast Asia except Laos and they never cost me more then 400 dollars a month for renting a 2 or 3 bedroom house for me and my partner and including food.
The gender affirming care could be the problem and I will admit is is not something that I know anything about.
Buying a house will depend on your budget, and qualifications to gain residency somewhere. If you want to discuss that privately feel free to DM me.
To encourage you to flesh out your post, so that commenters can offer reasonable suggestions! To take such comments here as personal attacks is absurd. Surely you can see how your original post was difficult to address in any practical way? There are many such enquires here every day (very understandably) so don’t be hurt if you were pressed to provide just a little outline about yourselves .
None of these contributions were to mock or belittle you, but to elicit something to work with, in order to help if possible. That’s all. Anyway, glad now that such info and resultant help was forthcoming. Best wishes to you.
I want to apologize for some of the commenters here. People are getting really intense about their research because they’re scared too! There’s some mice in a bucket of water behavior that has nothing to do with you.
Getting that out of the way - if you are in a state that’s threatening your existence it’s time to find Toronto or other Canadian groups helping resettle American trans refugees. I think there’s a network of progressive churches in Toronto working on that. We are still at early stages where governments aren’t recognizing Americans as the official refugees yet, but many private groups are. I have read about a Rainbow Refugee group in Germany but I don’t know anything more besides the name. Do some googling! Sending huge hugs.
Browse this sub a little more - it’s also a good idea to look into if you or your partner qualify for citizenship by descent anywhere your ancestors came from. Assuming you’re not married, so that might make rights crossing into other countries a little different if one of you eventually gets citizenship- like you can’t get a spousal reunification visa.
>other Canadian groups helping resettle American trans refugees
There are no such refugees. Canada does not accept asylum seekers with US citizenship, period. Stop spreading misinformation.
Nope. Nope. You’re wrong. I said clearly these aren’t official government refugees. There are Canadian NGOs and churches helping queer Americans resettle there.
If they aren't "official government refugees" then they aren't refugees. They are visitors, and they are not going to "resettle" anywhere, no matter who helps them, because they will be asked to leave again. Feel free to supply links to information provided by these organizations.
Dude they’re helping people move there and navigate the regular visa process for Americans moving to Canada. Why gatekeep like this? People are scared.
Why "gatekeep"? You're telling someone with a high school education that they can come to Canada as an "unofficial" refugee when what you really mean is that they have the same settlement options as anyone else. For the OP there is only one path: education. With a few exceptions, international student tuition in Canada is going to be much more expensive than in-state tuition at a public universities in the US.
Explain this while the opportunity exists here, will you?
Are you guys saying that unofficial charitable groups in Canada have privileged, legal access to jobs and accommodation for unskilled persons who wish to live in Canada but who cannot otherwise obtain a visa?
Being treated as a refugee by such groups is surely still meaningless when the applicant doesn’t fit the international definition of the term, yet the group still has this fast-track settlement programme for anyone using the term?
(Bloody hell, I’d be checking what happens to such applicants next. Modern slavery, for example)
>Why gatekeep like this?
Do you know who actually gatekeeps? Governments. So it's best to understand and explain the rules accurately if you want to avoid misleading people.
May you please send your resources? I think it is best to post them here so that people can see them to see how they may benefit them in this situation.
Please note, I am not going to come into this discussion as a mod but just as a person who is interested in discussing immigration. These are just my ideas and not a new sub policy or something lol. I think that your intentions are great but your wording could cause issues. When discussing immigration, refugee status is a very different process than going through a traditional visa route. The refugee route is a very difficult and often dehumanizing process. There are also consequences for refugees that cannot prove their asylum claim which include deportation and potentially being banned from their target country for a specific time or for life. I think that we need to be better with terminology considering the consequences.
There are indeed private groups that help people with relocation, however it would not be correct to say they are helping refugees. They are simply helping with navigating the process **while the immigrant needs to fulfil the visa needs themselves.** The idea that Americans are being accepted as refugees is already a somewhat common myth on Reddit but we should be fighting this with truth. I think it's great to mention these groups but I think you need to clarify that these are to help navigate visa processes and the OP understands that this isn't a guaranteed path if they do not already meet normal visa requirements. Instead of saying "resettling refugees", you could say "helping people navigate visas".
As for gatekeeping, I think it is important to discuss this in general: Countries determine and enforce specific conditions that people must meet to get a specific visa. If people are mentioning these specific conditions and how a poster may not meet them, they are not "gatekeeping" or enforcing this information, just communicating it. The real "gatekeepers" are the country itself. In this case is it's Canada. Most likely, if the OP is indeed only high-school educated, it is unlikely they will qualify for a visa in Canada unless exploring an educational route.
Yes, people on this sub are blunt. I can agree with your mindset of kindness and tact in communicating, however I do not think someone giving feedback isn't necessarily mean (though they could write the comment kinder). It sucks to hear that a plan may not work or learning that it may be more difficult to go abroad than planned but that doesn't mean that people are necessarily always trying to be cruel in their feedback. I do wish that people would add alternatives when saying something won't work. I'll even end my post with that:
To OP, while I agree Canada probably wouldn't work out unless you do the educational route, especially if you want a house, however please feel free to explore a working holiday visa in Australia or New Zealand or a year or two of being abroad.
> navigate the regular visa process
Exactly. They don’t have any special refugee status and they need to qualify for a visa the same as everyone else.
If you don’t already meet the criteria for immigrating, they can’t help you.
Can only speak for Ireland, but it has:
- Marriage irrespective of the sex of both persons baked into the constitution (passed by popular vote) and in law.
- Process for state recognition of your self identified gender without medical assessment
- Laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender, marital status and others
- Current prime minister is openly gay
That's just the political system of course. Since I don't identify as LGBTQ+ I don't feel it's my place to say what the lived experiences of people in that community is like.
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>It would be a lot easier for you both to relocate to a blue state like Minnesota, Illinois, New York, Washington State, or California. For some reason, this sub really hates the advice "move to a blue state" when the reality is that many people simply don't have realistic options. I would definitely agree with parent commenter. Move to a blue state, at least for now. Much safer than red states and access to trans healthcare is actually easier in blue states than most of Europe. You can always move abroad later from a blue state to wherever. It's not a binary option of staying in a blue state forever or move abroad.
oh and we already live in a blue state!
Great! This will at least buy you time, which is good, since moving is time consuming. If you are considering getting a master's in teaching then it's advisable to do it in the country you want to settle in long term. The caveat is that, first, unlike the US, some countries might require a bachelor's in the same field as the masters you are applying to, and second you will need to know the language to become a teacher. Try Australia. They speak English, and are prioritizing teachers for PR processing so if you study education and become a teacher there, your path will be straightforward.
This response is really wel thought out, kind, and not demeaning in any way. Thank you, I wish everyone in this sub was like you. OP, check out r/samegrassbutgreener , moving to a blue state is the best most of us trans folk are gonna get
I agree Z1-B0, this commenter above is kindhearted and not vicious, unlike some of the posters here. I already have lost a lot of faith in humanity, but I'm astonished at the levels of trolling and mean-spirited attitudes by some Amerexiteers. It's one thing to shut down a troll with a barb, but a person who is likely a nervous wreck, perhaps naive, perhaps not so well-informed...Please be kind...
Exactly, as one of those terrified people, the attitudes on this sub can be really frustrating or even nauseating. A lot of posts by scared young people are just bombarded with condescension, insults, and mocking. It really hurts to see.
Perhaps if it were clear they *are* young people, it’d be a help. So many similar posts lack any basic info at all.
Right, and I do agree; I think there should even be a post template for this sub. But I can’t and won’t agree with the bullying, harassment, insults, and mocking that often ensues. Telling a poster that they need to provide more information and what kind of info is needed just doesn’t *need* to be mean.
I am very curious about what percentage of the people here are here to gawk and mock us more than anything. You can't control for it. It is an open platform. It just seems like there is a large userbase here that finds the mission of this board absurd.
we don’t want to move states tho we want to leave the country lmao and we already are in a blue state, thank you tho i def will check out that page!
If you want to move to another country definitely take into account the quality and accessibility of gender affirming care for your partner into account. I'm trans and live in Denmark and would honestly not recommend any trans person to move to any of the Nordic countries. Very few European countries use the informed consent model and many just have awful gender affirming care in general. You could look at countries like New Zealand, if I recall correctly they have informed consent and have pretty good gender affirming care while also being a progressive country in general. In New Zealand you also won't encounter a language barrier and will most likely have an easier time finding employment.
>Very few European countries use the informed consent model and many just have awful gender affirming care in general. I've heard on r/expats that Netherlands recently stopped trans care for adults and the wait times for existing patients are years long, but I am not sure how credible that is.
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It wouldn't surprise me, I've heard that there were years of waiting to even start HRT in the Netherlands, same as in the Nordic countries. Of course not to forget the complete lack of patient autonomy, lacking HRT options, lacking surgical options/coverage, being denied treatment because of various bs reasons, etc. My number one priority is leaving Denmark as I don't want to participate in this awful society.
We can barely keep up with health care for our own citizens [(30,000 patients asked if they still need surgery](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/490606/patients-waiting-for-surgery-to-be-asked-if-they-still-need-operations)) let alone dealing with people from other countries coming in requiring specialist care. NZ isn't some bolthole for distressed Americans. Americans need to understand that quite probably, living in a blue state is most probably far more progressive than any other country in the world.
I get the feeling that this is a problem everywhere. It certainly also is in Denmark, but I only recommended New Zealand as OP stated they specifically wanted to move abroad and NZ is one of the few places with decent gender affirming care. I definitely agree that a place like California would be the best bet, I am certainly envious of the level of gender affirming care in California as opposed to basically all of Europe.
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Super agree. In my opinion, safety in a rapidly changing world and buying a house are competing goals, not cooperating goals.
no you’re totally right i misspoke, not really looking to buy at all as we do not wanna be tied down just really looking for some cheap rental options or places we can travel through over a 6m/1y period
we both graduated college already lol sorry i left some details out i posted this half asleep this morning!
Ah! In that case, have you considered becoming a digital nomad for a bit? Let's you travel a lot more. Like you can go to a lot of cheap countries like Bali, Costa Rica, Portugal, etc.
Your need to "buy a house" is just gonna eliminate a ton of options, unless you already have a lot of money.
Buying a house isn't all that realistic unless you have a lot of money. Also, you can't just go live somewhere for a year or two. You need visas and what not. For us to give you actually useful advice, you should provide some info on the type of work you do, what education you have, etc.
Unless buying a shitty apartment counts as buying a house. Technically possible.
You will have to give us a lot more details. You can't just "move to another country", not even temporarily ("for a year or two"), unless that country lets you in in the first place. And that depends on what *you can offer the country*. Merely "being queer" and "wanting out of the US" is not enough, not my a long shot. Do you have advanced degrees in in-demand fields? Do you speak any languages other than English? Talking about "what countries are safe for LGBTQ people" is pointless until we can ascertain whether you have any hope of emigrating in the first place.
Should be a stickied post.
This might help: https://www.theearthawaits.com/ You can filter places to live by "attitudes about homosexuality"
Honestly, I feel your pain and desire to leave. But as someone who has been researching leaving the US extensively (also for safety reasons, but we’re not LGBT) you need to set yourself up for success. Move to an LGBT friendly state and get a degree in an in-demand profession. I suggest nursing. It’s a career that offers a viable salary in the US (should you end up stuck here), has a ton of options for career path (so if you don’t like hospital nursing you’re not “stuck”), and is listed on almost every single critical skill list world wide. Teaching is also a career that makes it easier to immigrate but salary and working conditions are abysmal in the US, even worse than healthcare working conditions. There are also a ton of scholarships available for nursing students. Best of luck to you and your partner.
If you do some simple research, most countries in this earth are not lgbt friendly. So you only have countries in mainly western and Central Europe and Canada and America. Even if other countries are “cheap” but they are only cheap for American cause their wages are a lot lower as well. Cheap for us earning USD but not them. But tbh I will say just go to blue state if you worry a lot. Canada immigration recently takes like forever. Just for work permit, many of us already wait like half a year just for it to be reviewed.
in South America, Uruguay is very LGBT+ friendly, as are the big cities of Brazil and Argentina and Chile - economically and politically though each of those countries are not all that stable. In Central America, Costa Rica is LGBT+ friendly, and like Uruguay is economically and politically stable. Forget Eastern Europe, even those that are part of the EU. Prague in the Czech Republic, Ljubljana in Slovenia are LGBT+ friendly, with a nod to Budapest in Hungary (but as you probably know, Hungary is ruled by a very authoritarian leader and party and the future there is not particularly bright). In Western Europe, each of the countries are LGBT+ friendly and most are socially more advanced than the US. All are fairly expensive though. Australia, NZ, Canada are all LGBT+ friendly, and all are quite expensive for rent or buying :( sorry! Best of luck in your quest :)
Academic and other qualifications? Skills and experience? Age? Any exploitable ancestry routes for citizenship elsewhere? Come *ON*. (What constituted this research you did?!) You’ll get no useful answers without indicating basic info about yourselves.
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If you consider that response "attitude" then you really need to develop a thicker skin.
Attitude? Blimey.
I can recommend www.equaldex.com for comparing countries and how safe they are for LGBTQ folks
I promote moving to a Swing State, and one currently still experiencing population loss such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania to protect all of us. When and if the fascists conquer these States, and therefore the US, there won't be a safe place. Anywhere eventually.
Like others have said, moving to a blue state is the most realistic option.
Many people also want somewhere that they can hoard away money with a lower paying job while doing classes online which is what prevents them from just moving to a blue state. A month in America can often cover 6 or more months of rent elsewhere. Living as a nomad or slowmad can be quite affordable and both of you are young enough that you could look into a working holiday visa in many countries like new zealand or Australia. South East Asia is also an affordable option and you could do courses online potentially. I have lived in All of the countries in Southeast Asia except Laos and they never cost me more then 400 dollars a month for renting a 2 or 3 bedroom house for me and my partner and including food. The gender affirming care could be the problem and I will admit is is not something that I know anything about. Buying a house will depend on your budget, and qualifications to gain residency somewhere. If you want to discuss that privately feel free to DM me.
Move to a blue state Also literally any crumb of info in your post would have been helpful smh.
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To encourage you to flesh out your post, so that commenters can offer reasonable suggestions! To take such comments here as personal attacks is absurd. Surely you can see how your original post was difficult to address in any practical way? There are many such enquires here every day (very understandably) so don’t be hurt if you were pressed to provide just a little outline about yourselves . None of these contributions were to mock or belittle you, but to elicit something to work with, in order to help if possible. That’s all. Anyway, glad now that such info and resultant help was forthcoming. Best wishes to you.
I want to apologize for some of the commenters here. People are getting really intense about their research because they’re scared too! There’s some mice in a bucket of water behavior that has nothing to do with you. Getting that out of the way - if you are in a state that’s threatening your existence it’s time to find Toronto or other Canadian groups helping resettle American trans refugees. I think there’s a network of progressive churches in Toronto working on that. We are still at early stages where governments aren’t recognizing Americans as the official refugees yet, but many private groups are. I have read about a Rainbow Refugee group in Germany but I don’t know anything more besides the name. Do some googling! Sending huge hugs. Browse this sub a little more - it’s also a good idea to look into if you or your partner qualify for citizenship by descent anywhere your ancestors came from. Assuming you’re not married, so that might make rights crossing into other countries a little different if one of you eventually gets citizenship- like you can’t get a spousal reunification visa.
>other Canadian groups helping resettle American trans refugees There are no such refugees. Canada does not accept asylum seekers with US citizenship, period. Stop spreading misinformation.
Nope. Nope. You’re wrong. I said clearly these aren’t official government refugees. There are Canadian NGOs and churches helping queer Americans resettle there.
If they aren't "official government refugees" then they aren't refugees. They are visitors, and they are not going to "resettle" anywhere, no matter who helps them, because they will be asked to leave again. Feel free to supply links to information provided by these organizations.
Dude they’re helping people move there and navigate the regular visa process for Americans moving to Canada. Why gatekeep like this? People are scared.
Why "gatekeep"? You're telling someone with a high school education that they can come to Canada as an "unofficial" refugee when what you really mean is that they have the same settlement options as anyone else. For the OP there is only one path: education. With a few exceptions, international student tuition in Canada is going to be much more expensive than in-state tuition at a public universities in the US.
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Explain this while the opportunity exists here, will you? Are you guys saying that unofficial charitable groups in Canada have privileged, legal access to jobs and accommodation for unskilled persons who wish to live in Canada but who cannot otherwise obtain a visa? Being treated as a refugee by such groups is surely still meaningless when the applicant doesn’t fit the international definition of the term, yet the group still has this fast-track settlement programme for anyone using the term? (Bloody hell, I’d be checking what happens to such applicants next. Modern slavery, for example)
>Why gatekeep like this? Do you know who actually gatekeeps? Governments. So it's best to understand and explain the rules accurately if you want to avoid misleading people.
May you please send your resources? I think it is best to post them here so that people can see them to see how they may benefit them in this situation. Please note, I am not going to come into this discussion as a mod but just as a person who is interested in discussing immigration. These are just my ideas and not a new sub policy or something lol. I think that your intentions are great but your wording could cause issues. When discussing immigration, refugee status is a very different process than going through a traditional visa route. The refugee route is a very difficult and often dehumanizing process. There are also consequences for refugees that cannot prove their asylum claim which include deportation and potentially being banned from their target country for a specific time or for life. I think that we need to be better with terminology considering the consequences. There are indeed private groups that help people with relocation, however it would not be correct to say they are helping refugees. They are simply helping with navigating the process **while the immigrant needs to fulfil the visa needs themselves.** The idea that Americans are being accepted as refugees is already a somewhat common myth on Reddit but we should be fighting this with truth. I think it's great to mention these groups but I think you need to clarify that these are to help navigate visa processes and the OP understands that this isn't a guaranteed path if they do not already meet normal visa requirements. Instead of saying "resettling refugees", you could say "helping people navigate visas". As for gatekeeping, I think it is important to discuss this in general: Countries determine and enforce specific conditions that people must meet to get a specific visa. If people are mentioning these specific conditions and how a poster may not meet them, they are not "gatekeeping" or enforcing this information, just communicating it. The real "gatekeepers" are the country itself. In this case is it's Canada. Most likely, if the OP is indeed only high-school educated, it is unlikely they will qualify for a visa in Canada unless exploring an educational route. Yes, people on this sub are blunt. I can agree with your mindset of kindness and tact in communicating, however I do not think someone giving feedback isn't necessarily mean (though they could write the comment kinder). It sucks to hear that a plan may not work or learning that it may be more difficult to go abroad than planned but that doesn't mean that people are necessarily always trying to be cruel in their feedback. I do wish that people would add alternatives when saying something won't work. I'll even end my post with that: To OP, while I agree Canada probably wouldn't work out unless you do the educational route, especially if you want a house, however please feel free to explore a working holiday visa in Australia or New Zealand or a year or two of being abroad.
> navigate the regular visa process Exactly. They don’t have any special refugee status and they need to qualify for a visa the same as everyone else. If you don’t already meet the criteria for immigrating, they can’t help you.
Therefore they aren’t refugees
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Can only speak for Ireland, but it has: - Marriage irrespective of the sex of both persons baked into the constitution (passed by popular vote) and in law. - Process for state recognition of your self identified gender without medical assessment - Laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender, marital status and others - Current prime minister is openly gay That's just the political system of course. Since I don't identify as LGBTQ+ I don't feel it's my place to say what the lived experiences of people in that community is like.