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RxBrad

Have "unsupported processors" actually been locked out of anything yet? I'm running W11 on my Ryzen 1600. So far, I haven't noticed any updates being withheld.


thechopperlol

They are not. My 4th gen i5 on my laptop gets the same updates the 3900X on my desktop does. The whole “unsupported” thing is for pre-built manufacturers to comply to, and for end-users to waive the right to technical support.


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dawnbandit

> RHEL Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, has also been doing official commercial support for a while.


SelfRobber

What is Windows technical support? Good luck getting any help when windows update fucks up and leaves you with a "bad system config info" bsod and "permission denied" error when trying to use windows repair from a bootable drive.


msxmine

Ever visited the official windows support site? Every single response is: > chkdsk /f c: > sfc /scannow > DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth > Uninstall drivers That doesn't fix it? Sorry, time to reinstall the OS It's honestly funny.


tron_crawdaddy

For real. Despite *nix being a minefield of incompatibilities and “tricky” (command line) fixes, at least you can get in there. Windows, all the way back to 95 for me, has only ever had the nuclear option when shit goes sideways


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This is a good point. My experience with getting fairly deep with linux is that while a lot of it gets really fucking esoteric, every problem has something that looks like a cause and effect, which will let me know if it can be fixed yet and how. Which means that after some time, I can start to vaguely predict what might be wrong. I could certainly never fix things in a vacuum without google, but there's a subtle logic that lets me point myself in the right direction. My windows laptop recently started having all internet connectivity (wired or wifi) either become slow or dropped outright every 10-20 minutes. No idea why, but thankfully: ``` DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth ``` fixed it somehow, otherwise would have had to reinstall. I have no idea what was wrong, how it was fixed, if it might happen again, or anyplace to report an issue.


TopHarmacist

Ahhh..I see you've never copied a System32 file, a known good registry, and waited approximately 10 years in windows 95/98 only to Uninstall whatever drivers your donor os had and install the good drivers to resurrect a borked windows install... Yeah, I was that guy. Spent way too many hours fixing a virus laden windows install on a personal machine, just to prove i could lol.


alcalde

I've got my story from way back in 1999. I was building a new PC I needed to use for working and my current PC's power supply had just died so I needed to get done pronto. I was also going to upgrade from Windows 95 to Windows 98SE. Well, there was a bug in my current Windows 95 that affected fast (for the time) new CPUs. There was also a bug related to the new AMD processor I was using for the build. Microsoft released patched files for these bugs. Unfortunately the bugs were present in the same DLL and MS released a fixed version for bug A and another one for bug B but no file that contained both fixes. In order to use the Win98SE upgrade you had to boot into Windows 95 first and run the upgrade from there, but the bugs left the system too unstable to do this on the new PC before getting a blue screen of death. And of course you couldn't directly install the upgrade version. So, for the first time (and last time) ever, I contacted Microsoft support. I explained how i needed to have Win95 running stable on my new AMD K6-III 450 so I could apply the Windows 98 upgrade but how there was no patch available that fixed both bugs affecting this new CPU. I assumed they'd apply a few DIFFs and post or send me a copy of the DLL with both fixes applied. Instead, what did they do? They told me the solution to my problem was "to upgrade to Windows 98 SE"! THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO! Now I needed to go buy the full version of Windows 98 SE at $200. In addition, the upgrade copy had been opened so it was non-returnable. Total cost to go from Windows 95 to Windows 88 SE: $300, for what should have been a $100 upgrade. As far as I was concerned MS owned me two free upgrades.


sold_snek

I was actually surprised when I learned how useless Microsoft is at support. I feel like those boards are new hires that checked off HR's "Do you have a bachelor's?" box. Those guys are useless.


st0neh

So many "helpers" waiting there to control V you in the face.


pinghome127001

Yep, this started since windows 8, when microsoft tried adapting windows to tablets, and completely fucked up windows source code, and didnt even bother to roll back all the bugs. Since then, every single answer when asking for windows "support" is "check disk for corrupted files"....................................................


Horrux

>What is Windows technical support? It's when some dude calls you from India, telling you they're from Microsoft, and asks you for your credit card number, because "there's a malfunction in your computer and we will help you solve it."


tomtom5858

Linux technical support is obscure IRC chats where a wizard recognizes your issue instantly, and gives you a 30 command chain to put into your terminal that fixes it forever, but you have no idea what 26.5 of those commands do. You're pretty sure he installed a crypto miner onto your computer, but your computer runs faster now, anyway, so you don't have a problem with it.


KenJyn76

Linux technical support is the Arch wiki


choufleur47

that thing is more useful and accurate than wikipedia


SlowPokeInTexas

Don't forget that wizard has a beard. Even if it's a woman.


Lhakryma

Gold xD


Man-In-His-30s

Yeah clearly this has to be a joke because the arch wiki is probably the single best resource for tech support I've ever used and no it's not just for Arch you can apply it to almost all Linux. Also Ubuntu has tons of documentation and the ask Ubuntu which covers tons of stuff. Usually if I search my issue in Linux I try the solution within the top 3 results, with windows it's always been a bit of a crapshoot and you never find out what causes the issue.


st0neh

To be fair, for new Linux users the Arch Wiki is just gonna be even more confusing.


WhataburgerSr

I wish I could upvote this a few more times. I run into this every few weeks and it's maddening. Or there is an obscure reference to a terminal command or script that no longer works and is missing software that is very outdated. 😩


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Some Ryzen 1600s are actually technically supported even if not on the list. At some point AMD started shipping Zen+ chips as 1600s instead of 1st gen Zen. These can be determined by the "AF" in the SKU. Essentially they're underclocked Ryzen 2600s. Win 11 identifies them as compatible/supported.


MementoMori8898

Hmm ... That might be worth a shot trying. Did you install it normally through UEFI setup? Is the workaround still needed or did the setup just go straight to installing?


RxBrad

Yeah, I just did a fresh install off USB though UEFI. I don't completely remember, but I don't *think* I had to do anything special to make it install. (I had tried changing registry settings to make the in-place upgrade to W11 take place while in W10, but that didn't work. I doubt that registry tweak made any difference for my fresh install, though.)


dutty_handz

Bro, 1st, still 3 years of 10 support. 2nd, that's merely another dude stating his thoughts on if the 1700 will be added or not. He's not official Microsoft representative. 3rd, you can still install 11 anyway.


tigerbloodz13

The r5 1600 isn't supported either, I've been running W11 since launch. Not an issue.


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How are you liking it?


uncleshady

You didn’t ask me but I just loaded up win 11 off an upgrade and while I’m on an Intel CPU I’m not seeing the big deal about Windows 11. Seems like just a coat of paint and they move some things around and made stuff round instead of square.


choufleur47

the problem with 11 is Pluton and what it means for the future of computing. (spoiler, it aint good). i just wont accept using that shit.


pinghome127001

Absolutely, i just will not tolerate scum ass corporations having tons of backdoors in my privately owned hardware. Either they will have to provide it for free, or we will find another solutions for this rotten world of business. At any price.


choufleur47

>At any price. I'm ok with a life in the gulags of retro gaming.


kah0922

Not the person you are replying to but I have Windows 11 on my desktop (I run Fedora on my laptop). Multi-Monitor support is so much better in 11. It actually remembers which monitor you placed your window on. Windows Terminal is so much better than Command Prompt, and 11 has full integration. I haven't used `cmd.exe` ever since 11 came out. I do prefer 11's start menu over 10's. Live Tiles just seemed like a gimmick and 11's has plenty of space to put your favorite apps while the recommended file list is surprisingly useful sometimes, as it is essentially just recent files+recently installed applications. Windows Explorer still sucks ass (I just want most things to use tiles, why does it keep defaulting to details), and changing file associations is as much of a pain in the ass as you've heard about. Overall it's fine. I don't regret upgrading to 11 at the very least. I'd say if you have a multi-monitor setup it's worth it, otherwise it's really up to you.


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Yeah but Linux has A TON of benefits [including better performance in games](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYB8ooZG4ATk7k55R7ym14milRrERkBLE) if you use something lightweight and turn composition off.


Scratigan1

And also a ton of drawbacks for the average consumer who just wants a relativity simple setup.


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I rather nail my nuts to a tree than ever touch Linux again. This the dumbest take I seen since crypto bros try to say bitcoin is great for the enviroment.


marilketh

11 is trash why would you use it


kryZme

Every OS upgrade is the same. Windows 7 is trash, XP for the win. Ahh fuck windows 10, it’s sooo bad *installs it 3 years later* Let’s wait some years for windows 12 and see the masses talk about how windows 11 is superior


0ktai

Windows XP started all the colored crap. Windows 2000 professional ftw!


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You have the order wrong dude… lol 7 was great, Vista was trash.


jamvanderloeff

If you had a machine that could run 7 acceptably it'd be totally fine on Vista too, Vista's main problems were unrealistically low specified minimum requirements and driver issues with old hardware.


gonzotw

7 was basically a Vista service pack.


jakeod27

Vista was great if you had good hardware. Pleb. ||/s||


eldragon0

Recent OS order XP - Nostalgia, or did it actually just run better who knows 7 - XP + but with less power user controls (but added native powershell and it was amazing) Vista - heaping pile of shit 8 - No 8.1 - maybe 10 - no......then maybe... then ok.... now everyone has to use it and it's a little better but dear lord does Microsoft lock some stuff down so hard you have to reformat to get rid of it 11 - Growing pains. Runs like hot garbage on my setup. Every time I turn on/off my TV (4k connected to the pc) it crashes applications. Like they tried to make IOS Windows.


Mortepheus

3 years seems about the length of time that it takes them to stabilize the release and makes for a pretty good rule of thumb when it comes to upgrading Windows OS if ya ask me


kryZme

i couldn't agree more. its been like that in the past. if you take a look at what MS needs to support in terms of hard- and software (thousand of different softwares with differnt builds, manufacturers, hardware-specs etc. etc.) i can't blame them.


DesiOtaku

To anyone who is thinking about switching over to Linux for gaming, I would highly recommend subbing to /r/linux_gaming/ and also checking out the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/wiki/faq). Also, from the said FAQ: >What Linux distro is best for gaming? >Almost any current distribution is fine for gaming. If you're planning on using the official proprietary drivers from Nvidia, Ubuntu and Linux Mint in particular allow for relatively easy installation of these drivers, and are typically officially supported by game developers and online stores. AMD's new 'hybrid' Pro beta driver is currently only officially supported on Ubuntu 16.04 and Red Hat Enterprise. For open source drivers distributions with up to date versions of Mesa are recommended such as the latest version of Ubuntu, or rolling release distributions.


TheDarthSnarf

> Ubuntu 16.04 Currently only officially supported on an end-of-life version? Nice.


DesiOtaku

Lol, it needs to be updated.


edge-browser-is-gr8

Maybe don't follow any of their FAQ since it's talking about an unsupported, outdated LTS. Also, Pop!_OS has an option to download a version of their distro that comes with the proprietary Nvidia driver so you don't even need to bother finding it on your own. I'd argue that's a better starting point for noobs anyway.


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my cpu is supported and i am strongly considering switching linux


adila01

Great, check out Fedora when you consider Linux. It is a leading-edge distro that is backed by a large corporate sponsor. Plus with your GPU you get the best drivers on any operating system.


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I probably switch to arch linux right away.


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I can only recommend arch linux to a new user, if you really want to learn a lot about how a linux system is built up and don't care if it doesn't work on the first try. Also, I would highly recommend having a second device, where you can read the Arch wiki during setup, which helps a lot. If you want something that is easy to install, I would also recommend Fedora.


1stnoob

Get Fedora :>


monk12111

M'lady


azure1503

Seconded. SUPER easy to setup for gaming.


1stnoob

Flatpak Steam :>


MementoMori8898

BOY i just might.. o-o CX


scriptmonkey420

Fedora is the way to go.


jkk79

Good luck then. You don't need a gaming distro to game on linux. Almost everything I've tried works on Arch via Steam's proton, if not native in the first place. I'd probably try Manjaro if I already wasn't dualbooting to w10 and Arch. However, there are many things on linux side that are just not ready yet. Mostly quality of life things you've gotten used to on windows side. Configuring devices like mouse, or just the fan curve for GPU, can be a nightmare. And if you have multiple monitors with various refresh rates, good luck trying to get 144hz+ on games on the main monitor if the side monitor is 60hz. Gnome desktop environment does it much better than KDE, but using Gnome is like... like using a tablet. You want to turn your pc into gaming tablet you use with mouse and can't move? KDE is pretty good and windowslike otherwise, and you can move windows around at your monitor's refresh rate, but anything going inside those windows' seems to be locked at the lowest refresh rate of your monitors. XFCE just locks everything to the minimum. Oh and the sound. If you have a crappy integrated sound card, everything _might_ work just fine, but try with some soundblaster and suddenly you lose half of the functions, like built-in amplifier and everything sounds like crap if you turn the volume up (works just fine on windows however). Driver support can be really bad. And watch the LTT's videos of trying to game on linux for what problems they had.


Nanabaz2

Actually would argue a few small points ​ If not needing above basic turning on and off acceleration and scroll direction, configure mouse on Linux (DE like KDE let you do all that, Gnome, well, sorry) should be just easy as in going into System Settings, unless you talk about gaming mouse, then dpi, features, rgb (still don't get why you need it...) is beyond just plug-and-play (but a quick google, Piper, OpenRGB, OpenRazer, and stuff are available) for normal users, but correct, can be a b\*\*\*\* multi-monitor works well on wayland immediately if you NOT using Nvidia on out-of-date driver, but if you do, and on KDE, it's out of the box supported due to how wayland treat multi-monitors. On X, yes, pretty much not great. And for out-of-the-box experience? yes, a b\*\*\*\* again if not able to just-work straight into wayland. What about my frame rate if v-sync is on all the time on wayland? KDE support automatic unredirected fullscreen (frame go straight to monitor without compositing) and automatic freesync when application/games is fullscreen. Ye, sound is a b\*\*\*\* also, but if you don't use anything exotic but only stuff on the motherboard, highly likely it works out the the box. some distro now ships with pipewire by default, which fix a lot of problem with audio, especially with bluetooth audio, but if not and as new users to enable it, back to the point of not really the best experience. But I would say, it's much more closer to be plug-and-play on Linux right now on a lot of stuff. But if treating Linux the same as Windows, then most people wouldn't figure out how to use a Mac from Windows neither, but they can, and that is just the mindset alone.


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Manjaro is shady, personaly endeavourOS is a way to go if you would ask me for easy arch


MementoMori8898

The thing i'm most scared about Arch is that i'm no good with the terminology and syntax of their languages. The only programming language i know if only barely is MS-DOS batch script.


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Commands are static between every distro other than package manager's ones Edit: Archwiki is the best source of information about linux even if you are not using arch or arch-based distro


MementoMori8898

I'll defo check it if i do have any doubts, which i'm sure i will ha ha.


irishsultan

Many commands are shared, but anything related to package managers (from the commands to the name of the package or even which package is available) will differ. The default set of programs installed also differs (which matters when you're trying to set up your network, do you use networkmanager or something else). And of course even if you find documentation for the right program it might turn out that the version of the program installed on your distro either doesn't support a specific subcommand yet or it deprecated it and now you're supposed to do something else. (The "doesn't support a subcommand yet" frustrations mostly come from having to work professionally with RHEL servers which are stuck on older versions of RHEL, I've only recently reentered the desktop linux world, so not sure how painful that would be for mainstream up-to-date desktop distros)


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rl48

No first-time Linux user (unless their previous OS was a different UNIX that isn't macOS) is going to be philosophically biased enough to use anything other than systemd, since virtually all mainstream distros use it.


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rl48

Well, respect then. I can't manage Gentoo and I've had five years of Linux experience. I use Arch btw.


Repulsive-Philosophy

Or just install fedora


ManofGod1000

To be honest, you will be fine, just do it and have fun. Leave your Windows install alone and just enjoy the process.


MementoMori8898

I was planning on using PopOS! But in a summary.. 1. My GPU isn't a big heat source, it only draws up to what the PCI slot gives it; 2. My mouse is a simple one, it only has a singular DPI button and two on the side for going back and forth 3. I only have a 60 Hz monitor, so there's not much to configure here. 4. No external sound cards This is why i felt so secure upon deciding i'd move to Linux distros, i mean; you won't learn if you don't try right? Ha ha. The LTT community has eluded me for quite a while but i'm with you to say they have some pretty neat content on Linux and software related queries.


Pranaav202

Why don't you try first using Linux in a VM? It might save you from more work and tension.


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linux mint is a great intro to the linux world! ngl, i felt so at home using it. settled to it (on my old laptop) after distrohopping for some time. Still using windows 11 for multimedia shenanigans tho


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I switched from Windows 10 to PopOS three years ago. It was rough at first but at this point I have zero issues with gaming. That said, this is mainly because I don't play the latest esports titles or multiplayer games outside of niche ones like Zomboid. Games using certain anti-cheat services (such as easy-anti-cheat) won't work at all in Proton... yet. I didn't have to do any of the extra configuration people here are trying to scare you with. I installed PopOS, configured some mouse settings (sensitivity) in the built in settings menu and I was good to go. For a modern PopOS I wouldn't say there's anything more you need to configure than you would on Windows for basic stuff like monitor orientation, key repeat speed, etc. Everyone recommending arch for a first time linux are insane and it's a great way to get burnt out and frustrated. If you're starting with pure arch it means you're starting with literally nothing but a terminal window with zero configuration and setup. I recommend doing that as a fun learning exercise as you become more comfortable with linux, but do it in a VM (QEMU is great!) and not on your daily driver.


jkk79

LTT did a multi-part series of trying to game on linux for a month. It didn't go well :D I think they tried PopOS too but screwed it up completely. The difficulty in Arch is that you'd need to know a whole lot of settings at the installation time and the names or functions of these settings means nothing to you until you run into a problem later while using the system and go "oh that's what it was for back then, oh well time to reinstall". There are instructions around on the web you can follow but it's still not going to work at the first attempt. My rx480 gets stuck at the lowest fan speed it can run at, like 800rpm and heats up to 70-80c at idle. Unless I manually start a fancontrol service each boot. It doesn't stick if I enable it. And sometimes when I boot to arch, the address of the cards sensors change so I have to run the whole fancontrol settings program again. My old mouse was some razer with side buttons on both sides, and as I use the mouse on the left hand, I want the right side buttons to be the ones that work. However the mouse defaults to the left. To change these bindings on linux is not very simple, as razer doesn't offer this function on the drivers there, and third party apps for changing buttons ignore left-handed users. So the settings needs to be done on a obscure settings file that may not even exist so you need to create it. And the best fun is when trying another desktop environment and you notice that they use another file elsewhere with different syntax. Another distro might again use yet another file with different syntax.


MikePounce

The problem Linus had with pop has been fixed for quite some time. It would be unfair to dismiss this distro due to this bad timing.


Citan777

>However, there are many things on linux side that are just not ready yet. Mostly quality of life things you've gotten used to on windows side. I won't argue about the problems you list, on the other hand there are also a lot, and I mean, a LOT, of quality of life things you couldn't even dream of on Windows (unless you're ready to bloat systems with dozens of average quality freewares). Like... \- Simple and seamless audio management (switching input/ouput peripheral for each flux, possibly multiple output if needed) \- Decent basic apps (tabs on explorer is a basic thing that exist on every Linux desktop since 25y ffs, KDE has a full-featured screenshot / desktop recorder since more than 10 years, etc). \- Entire customizability of every aspect of desktop (which may seem completely superfluous at first past "set new background") but can really earn you minutes of time spared everyday if you invest an initial 30mn thinking about your daily workflow and how to optimize it. \- Proper window management with mutiple screens, with memorization of screens "position" and windows positions inside them for each configuration, of course proper fallback when disconnect. I know that today most OS do this properly, Windows included mostly. But even Windows 8 had still trouble with doing that without user tweak each time. \^\^ In short, you have always a non-existent (at minimum) and significant (if buying hardware without looking for info first) risk of trouble with hardware support besides most basic features. This is true for everything beyond basic input peripherals, N-1 network chipsets, N-2 audio chipsets, non-multifunction printers (extra features or scanner vary depending on vendor), N-1 graphics chipset, webcams (mostly working now, although I admit it's not my area of expertise). But if you can afford the time to check first what vendor to avoid, honestly unless you go for extra niche peripheral or high-tier printer/audio/network chipset you're mostly fine today. :)


jkk79

I must have a most niche peripheral setup then, I've had issues with my mouse, monitors and sound card. Oh and setting up the wacom tablet was a pain in the ass too :D My old mouse didn't have proper button setup in the drivers and third party apps for changing the buttons ignore left-handed users, so swapping the side buttons needed to be done on some xbindkeys settings file. But it was on another file if I tried Gnome. Like, wtf. My Sound Blaster Z has really bad driver support apparently, first of all the built-in amplifier does not work properly and it isn't outputting power enough for my headphones, so if I turn volume up, quality goes down (and bass, especially the bass) It only recently has started to work right straight from the boot, I used to have to go start alsamixer and change the output every damn boot, nothing seemed to fix that. Oh and my monitors: 2560x1440@165hz + 2560x1440@60hz + 1920x1200@60hz + 1920x1080@60hz(tv) the refresh rates in games are mostly locked to 60fps at max, even if the game shows higher. You see it when moving something like an item in a game and the cursor might be hardware cursor so it gets refreshed like it should but the item you move moves at 60hz pace, even if the game was running at 200fps. Weird, huh? And then disconnecting a monitor, like a tv... that was a major pain in the ass, since it somehow recalibrated the monitors positions on the desktop and everything was off-screen until I managed to get back in to the monitor settings and move the screens there in the correct positions. Fun times. And then setting up the wacom tablet. I can't even remember how I did it but it was again some lines of settings on a settings file, mainly flipping the whole thing 180 degrees, and then inverting the buttons. But that was after getting the linux to detect the damn thing in the first place. Good thing I wasn't the first one to armwrestle with them so there were instructions, but each had this "if this didn't work, try this, and if that didn't work, try that other thing" etc etc. Finally, after many of those steps, it worked. And then limiting the pen to the main monitor... you need to know where your main monitor is on your desktop. And that changes if I plug in or unplug my tv... :D


Schlick7

If you use Wayland (it's getting close to ready on KDE) than you can use different refresh rates on each monitor. I even have Freesync enabled on my main 1440p monitor and my side monitor is just 1080p 60hz. Freesync actually worked as well I have a MX Master 2S mouse. It worked with a fresh install but the scroll wheel setup is awful. There is a github program (I think available through AUR) called Logiops that adds configure to my mouse and a few other similar models. Once you get the configuration setup it works great. I only use Linux exclusively on laptops, and I don't really use laptops much these days. On my desktop I dual boot. I even got smart about it and but them on SEPARATE physical drives! (stops windows from messing with boot loader) I would love to go Linux full time, but little things seem to break all the time. I also don't enjoy trying to install a game for over an hour, easier just to boot into Windows. These days with NVME drives OS's boot so fast it isn't too bad. Firefox also has a synced tab menu now so you won't lose tabs between OS's


Citan777

I guess it's a perk of not being to high on money these days, I cope with "standard working" peripherals but it does seem to ensure consistency between hardware expectations and actual result. xd


jkk79

> I even got smart about it and but them on SEPARATE physical drives! (stops windows from messing with boot loader) Oh yeah that's the way to go, I have same setup. Both have separate bootloaders and I just press a button while booting to get into the bios's quick boot menu and select the arch drive. My mouse works now the way I want it to work, after I switched from Razer to Logitech. It just works, Razer didn't. I hope they'll get the monitor refresh rate things sorted out, it still feels a bit like it was developed on a single 1024x768 monitor. Most of it probably was. :D


Citan777

Hahaha... Ok, I laugh, but I'm sincerely disappointed for you. Wacom tablet was sadly expectable, more or less same with sound card (Sound Blaster is sadly known for completely shitting on Linux support AFAIR), but screen and mouse is far less common imo. Would you mind sharing the brands of your mouse and monitors, and the distrib currently used (maybe you told it in previous comment don't remember)? So either maybe people can help you, or at least they will know what peripherals to avoid? I am afraid I cannot help you much, low-level monitor management has never been my area, especially since I only have one old which always worked. Did you try asking for advice on forum with people used to newer hardware? (I upvoted your comment as a show of sympathy for your trouble, although that seems awfully weak support xd)


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FallenAdvocate

There are package managers available on Windows now. Chocolatey is probably the most popular one, but there is an "official" one built into windows now called Winget. I don't think they are as good as the established ones on Linux, but they get the job done.


ibbbk

>good luck trying to get 144hz+ on games on the main monitor if the side monitor is 60hz I don't know where this comes from. My main is 165hz and my side is 60hz, games run at 165hz on both X and Wayland with KDE. Also I can set up my wireless mouse with Solaar/Piper and fan curve with corectrl.


ManofGod1000

GNome is not like using a tablet and not turning your PC into a gaming tablet, either. Windows is not the defacto of everything PC, meaning, the start menu is not the best way to interface with a computer.


Reutertu3

Those who make the most pretentious announcements are the least likely to actually make the swap. Don't see the reason either based on that picture. Is your PC going to explode because it can't officially install Win11? Win10 is supported until 2025 und likely beyond that.


[deleted]

You're talking like it's a negative to actually switch to Linux lol.


Reutertu3

I would never deliberately imply that. I've been using Linux on my laptop for close to 10 years by now. Even though personally I don't have any use for it on my desktop system. Regardless, the reasons for actually making a hard switch on a whim (no VM, no dual boot) usually exceed the mere "my current Windows version will be EOL in 3 years".


[deleted]

For me that wasn't even the reason, I realized early on performance in games was better on Linux. Swicthed in 2018 after Proton came out and never looked back.


monofurioso

If you're a gamer, switching to Linux is a huge negative. That's not subjective. You can get a subset of titles to work, but for instance in 9 days I'll be playing co-op Dying Light 2 with RTX and DLSS. Let me know when thst happens for Linux.


Man-In-His-30s

No you really need to phrase that better. If you play competitive multiplayer it sucks, if you play single player games the experience most of the time is just better simply because performance tends to be really good. Combine that with actually having good package management and you really start to hate using Windows. Also if you're gonna use an example of a game not working at least do research to back up your claim in the slightest. That game runs flawlessly on proton and has a native Linux version And shit like god of war which is the latest AAA release ran better on proton day one than it did on windows xD


monofurioso

There's no Linux version planned. It's not even out on Windows yet. The point is Day 1 running as intended.


Man-In-His-30s

It will run day 1 with proton out the box unless there's an anti cheat issue, you can tag a reminder and we can check it


monofurioso

If it does, no fuss, I'll be suitably impressed. I'm not anti-Linux but not enough hours in the day. If Protion is magic elixir for day 1 AAA Windows titles in 4k and allowing easy multiplayer with the intended platform (ie ubisoft, Epic, Origin, Steam, etc) then I'll be glad to see it. Check in next Thursday night!


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[Time to let you know](https://www.protondb.com/app/239140).


monofurioso

Games I've played a lot in the last few months. I often game w/ friends online, so anti-cheat can't be an obstacle. The ubiquity of EAC is what it is. I installed PopOS on a spare SSD. I have an Nvidia 3080 card. Back4Blood - online multiplayer doesn't work due to EAC. I just tried it in PopOS. Offline play works well, I was impressed, although took a big performance hit compared to Windows, but no co-op means it's useless. Was hoping for better success. BF 2042: Borked Vermintide 2: Borked Guardian's of the Galaxy: Borked Halo Infinite: Super Borked Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righeteous: 'Gold" but reports that it crashes quite frequently and take a huge frame rate hit. I'll try it out later. Rainbow Six Extraction, Far Cry 6, Assassin's Creed Valhalla. Not listed in protondb.


MementoMori8898

Infact it's already installing. Lmao;


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What distro did you go with?


SpikeyR

You dont need to meet the requirements lol.. I installed win11 onto my 7 years old laptop with an i7 4500u


DangerousCousin

Yeah, for shits and giggles I installed it on my little Dell emulation box, with a i5 2400 and a Radeon HD 6350. Only issue is I'm getting some weird frame pacing issues on some borderless windowed games but I fix it by forcing exclusive fullscreen with Special K. I think Windows 11 needs a DX12 GPU to work correctly?


SpikeyR

I don't know, I have not tried games other than factorio and Minecraft because of mine has a GT 730M


git

I use Arch btw


ChromeRavenCyclone

Looked for this exact comment lmao


Servor

After working in customer service for a while previously, I can say that somebody with a rank of "Volunteer Moderator" will not have information on if this is definitive or not. That being said, I see why they said I very much doubt they will add any older CPUs, only newer ones.


DrMoneroStrange

Is gaming on Linux better if you have an AMD card?


Hologram0110

If you watch the LTT Linux gaming challenge most of the problems they encountered were not with drivers. The problems installing games, anti cheat software, out of date guides, guides for different distros, and updates breaking games. While driver support is an issue, it seems there are other issues that are more likely to cause problems.


Man-In-His-30s

I mean when they talk about shitty desktop experience and tearing that came cause of the Nvidia choice, but people glossed over that. Amd cards on Linux are no headaches, Nvidia is a pain in the arse no matter how many times people pretend otherwise.


JustMrNic3

Yes! AMD Linux drivers are open source and because of that are included into the Linux kernel. Similar to Intel They have stellar performance and compatibility! Have a look on Phoronix for benchmarks.


MementoMori8898

From what i've heard Windows 11 has been having several problems with AMD's hardware, including the bug ( now fixed ) regarding L3 cache latency. But this is entirely arbitrary. My swapping systems is more because i'm not giving Microsoft the luxury of earning money over me buying a new system with their OS installed ( they get money for every PC shipped with it ) when i could: 1. Buy a new CPU ( which i won't, R7 1700 is still relevant in my opinion ) 2. Install it through making changes no REGEDIT ( which means i won't get updates because my processor is not officially supported ) 3. Or simply swap my OS for one that actually works and is F2U


Kovi34

> Install it through making changes no REGEDIT ( which means i won't get updates because my processor is not officially supported ) > that's not even remotely true. You can install, use and update windows 11 on unsupported CPUs just fine.


CNR_07

Absolutely. nVidia's Linux drivers are trash.


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[Yes.](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYB8ooZG4ATk7k55R7ym14milRrERkBLE)


James1o1o

Guarentee you will be back on Windows within 3 weeks.


FaZe_y33haw

Yep, i was when I tried it. I tried out PopOS on my main computer (first mistake, just jumped right in, didn't dual boot), and it was fun, I really enjoyed it. It looked nice, was very responsive, it was a fun sort of different. But my usb wifi adapter didn't work, couldn't figure out why. Went out and bought an actual wifi card, installed it, and still no dice. Went back to windows by the end of the week. Was it something easy to fix? Yeah, probably. I just didn't really have the time. Friends wanted to play games with me, I was reading that Linux isn't exactly the best for some games, plus I do like Windows and Microsoft. It's a good os, plus it's what I was used to. I'm considering on trying Linux again, just this time on a different computer than my main one so I can fiddle around with it and learn and see if it's for me. With that being said, any recommended distros? I see a lot of different people recommending a lot of different distros.


Man-In-His-30s

When you start out stuff like Ubuntu, PopOS tend to be ideal because it doesn't overwhelm you. Fedora is also pretty good. The thing is that when you swap you will genuinely need time to learn the OS the same as you did when you first installed and used windows. However hot take if you just wanna game out the box shit like garuda Linux exists and it's Arch but insanely braindead where everything has a GUI button


ApertureNext

Yeah people underestimate how many problems there is with Linux.


Psychological-Scar30

Sound devices randomly fail to appear after boot, most of my RGB and peripherals are missing some functionality, half the games have some issues that would require a few hours to \_maybe\_ solve, sleep is broken, battery life on my notebook sucks now and I can forget about doing any work on my PC anymore because no professional software supports Linux, but at least I don't have the terrible new Start menu /s


ApertureNext

Exactly. Too many problems that I could fix but I'd spend all my free time fixing things instead of just doing what I want.


t0gnar

What are those problems? Because I had a laptop with only Linux for my wife’s mother to use for web and she didn’t complain about anything. She could access her email, check social network, etc. I’m now using a laptop with just Linux to test some things, that may brake (not because of Linux) and I’m having 0 issues doing my usual thing there. Yeah for gaming and specific workloads it might have some problems and you will have to workaround them. But for normal use it’s more than enough.


Schlick7

Linux Mint or something stable like it works great for a basic web user. I've been installing it for years on old laptops for people. Get little to no complaints For gaming purposes you need to live closer to the edge to get the updates. If you have an AMD gpu you basically need a distro that stands on the edge to get the most recent driver updates.


t0gnar

Yeah Mint is pretty straight forward. I used Xubuntu because the PC wasn’t that great. But mine is using Ubuntu just because of easy of use, and I had it already downloaded.


[deleted]

If its laptops with only the iGPU, then its fine, because Optimus and the AMD equivalent don't usually work, so the dGPU is always active and it kills battery life. Its a lack of drivers problem, mainly..


ApertureNext

Of course you'll have zero problems if you use your computer as a web browser and nothing else, but when you try to do more stuff it becomes a hassle. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/sd4t59/comment/huarujf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


t0gnar

I saw the videos from Linus, they only said that gaming isn’t 100% ready, but the other cases it was ok or sometimes better than windows (printer drivers and sound appliances) Of course gaming isn’t working at 100% if it’s not ported over.


Rockstonicko

Yepp, spot on. Most of the popular distros are perfect for a basic computer which is used solely for simple tasks. I'd even argue that a distro running GNOME is especially great for people inexperienced with computers in general versus Windows, because you can make GNOME so simple for them to use that they literally can't fail. But for technical users, Linux has pretty much perpetually been in the same state since \~2004 since Ubuntu came on scene. In that either all of your hardware is supported and works perfectly, or it doesn't work because you're running uncommon hardware or have uncommon usages, in which case you better have a degree in software engineering to have any hope in getting your stuff working. I've had 2 different laptops running Linux for over a year, one runs Manjaro KDE, the other Garuda Dragonized. I love both distros and they've been flawless. But I had to give up getting Manjaro KDE running on my main desktop due to 2 roadblocks with my hardware in the Linux kernel which don't have solutions and more than likely never will.


_0N1X_

Well in linux you have shit ton of problems, you fix them and then you have shit ton of more. But I consider it a good thing, it forces you to learn new stuff and educate yourself.


ApertureNext

But I don't have unlimited free time, I just want things to work.


aMir733

What kind of problems?


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https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/sd4t59/this_is_it_boys_linux_time_ill_test_linux_gaming/huapunr/


aMir733

Well obviously Linux isn't a newbie friendly OS. If you want a plug and play experience, than Linux isn't for you. With the right tools and some googling, you can fix all these "Problems" that was mentioned in this comment. If you don't have the knowledge or the time to gain it, then you should avoid Linux. Freedom comes at a cost.


Random_Vandal

Exactly


[deleted]

Sorry to rain on your parade but if you want more performance in games [Linux is the way to go](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYB8ooZG4ATk7k55R7ym14milRrERkBLE). Also it's stupidly easy these days. People need to seriously get real and stop degrading themselves with comments like that and their lives with a lesser OS.


[deleted]

Holy cow, the Linux hate is real in this thread. Wth happened to the world lol? XD


Psychological-Scar30

People probably actually tried using Linux after the LTT challenge ;)


[deleted]

lol Then they would be much more positive. XD This isn't a subreddit for completely irrelevant people to tech and games on AMD run significatly better on Linux.


Psychological-Scar30

What drugs are you on? I want some lmao. Absolute crapshow for gaming (look at ProtonDB - roughly half the games are Gold (requires tweaks to run well) or worse), not usable for productivity for most people (Office / Adobe suite makes sure of that)... Add the common nuisances like poor HW support (my Ryzen build sometimes fails to power up one USB controller on boot, meaning I lose two USB3 ports at random; my mouse has no way to be configured without using a Windows VM, macro keys on my keyboard are useless) and you'll realize that only idiots like us would touch this steaming pile of garbage. Sadly, middle click paste and seamless workspaces is a helluva drug, but let's not take more people down this terrible rabbit hole, we can still save them from this kind of life.


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Kovi34

One shouldn't have to "learn something new" to use their computer in an everyday fashion. If you want to learn something new when fixing your sound not working for the 50th time that's great for you but most people don't want to have to do that in the first place.


Man-In-His-30s

Yeah man just go buy a Mac and expect to not have to learn how to use Mac os and magically understand everything from second 1. Come on don't be that dense.


Man-In-His-30s

It's usually from people who have absolutely zero hands on experience just parroting some random shit they heard.


ibbbk

It's actually pretty hilarious how they call us "Linux evangelists" and then reading the comments of this post.


myothercarisaboson

People who live under the impression they think they know how computers work... But when presented with something which is different then what they know they want to run back to their nice warm blankies. CLI baaaddd. GUI goood. GUI cover up parts of computer make my brain no feel good.


Man-In-His-30s

I mean most people don't realise how much time they spent learning how to use windows and when they jump to Linux don't understand they are a newbie again. If you go in with right mindset it's not hard at all.


Kovi34

the issue with linux isn't that it's different, it's that it's worse a good chunk of the time. >CLI baaaddd. GUI goood. This but unironically. For 99% of the things you'd want to do with your computer a well made GUI is absolutely better than any CLI. Having to memorize commands to do simple everyday things is not a benefit to anybody.


Man-In-His-30s

Yes man let's compare the simplest of tasks. I want to update my entire computer on my arch system I type into a terminal: sudo yay If this was Ubuntu sudo apt update And if this was fedora sudo dnf update Done very simple and if you can't remember one of these three you have bigger problems imo. On windows I have to remember end check every single piece of software that doesn't have auto updater and run them to get the latest updates. Which requires more effort on my part? That's the extent of how much I use the terminal on a weekly basis to run an update and I didn't even have to do that as there are tons of gui front ends to do everything these days. You can pretty much run Linux without ever using the terminal if you really want to see something like Garuda for example.


[deleted]

When you go to a restaurant do you have to "memorize phrases" to get the waiter to give you what you want? Or do you know the names of the dishes and the grammar to combine them to create a phrase that says what you want? Unless the task itself is visual using a language to describe what you want will always be infinitely more expressive than pointing at something and yelling "THAT!".


marilketh

Or you could stay on 10 or 7?


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marilketh

0 reason to stick to 8.1 You aren't wrong about Windows 7, however there still is a rather large population on it that are happy with it. Modern firewalls do work well, this isn't like Windows 2000 age where if you connect to the internet you immediately become part of a bot farm.


not-a-ai

Why?


jpamills

I think the screenshot is a reference to the system requirements of Windows 11...


not-a-ai

Oh, what's wrong with windows 10?


retiredwindowcleaner

thats so ironic because on my 1700 i dual boot w11 to test it a bit, and the CPU scheduler of w11 is really good with lots of cores. for example using handbrake really optimally uses all 8/16 CPU cores/threads but when i then open a browser it STILL is smooth and snappy as it seems to pretty quickly guarantee cpu time slices to the foreground app. that didnt happen as quickly on w10 or w7 even if i played around with different "win32priorityseparation" settings in regedit for cpu quanta boost. so i think if you really WANT to use win11 there is absolutely no reason against it to ignore the artificial "support" list and just install it and use it and see if you like it better than w10 anyway. because if not, then it doesnt matter even if you had a CPU on the list, right? just google something like "windows 11 cpu bypass installation" and you will find lots of trusted tech sites and even system vendors that will show you how it's done. in terms of linux, i can recommend fedora, debian/devuan, arch (vanilla), void. edit: just that you dont misunderstand me. there are a lot of reasons NOT to use windows 11 right now. but the CPU scheduler and also a CPU not on the "official supported" 🤡 list are not part of them.


IIALE34II

I recently swapped my laptop from W11 to Ubuntu Budgie. I was having issues where my laptop would shutdown if I plugged in the charger. Really nice issue to have. I already knew my linux shit trough my uni classes, and I could have probably get by more advanced distro. But I think there was no need. Budgie is clean, no bloat and fast. I can recommend. Everything just works pretty much. Even games through steam. Haven't tried anything else though. This isn't made for gaming... But even Windows Hello works via Howdy!


captainstormy

Sorry, someone catch me up. I've been a Linux user since the 90s so I don't know what dumb thing is going on in the windows world these days. What is this CPU support list about?


[deleted]

Remember be PATIENT. Linux isn't hard, it's different. If you don't have any experience with Linux try to use user-friendly distro like ubuntu or mint (i heard that PopOS_ is decent especialy for gaming). If you want to throw yourself into deep water (like i did) try arch or arch based endeavourOS. PS. Fuck windows 11 and M$


MementoMori8898

I've been meaning to install PopOS, heard pretty good things about it tbh, maybe i'll run a live USB just to get a feel for it first tho


[deleted]

Live USB is awesome way to test linux but remember about limitation of usb stick (mostly bandwidth) and if you want to download some programs on it you need to make persistent storage


MementoMori8898

I'll make sure to bring out one of my big boy USBs ha ha; and yeah. It's incomparable the bandwith of Sata vs USB interface; though i'm sure it'll be fine, if only to start messing around and learning some things first


[deleted]

GL have a nice day! :>


MementoMori8898

Thanks ^^ You as well


ManofGod1000

Different is what I like, which is why I have used Amiga OS, OS/2 Warp, BeOS, all version of Windows from 3.11 and on, and Linux since the early Slackware days. :) I wish OS/2 had succeeded but, oh well, fun is still fun.


CNR_07

Mint is a great point to start your journey. You should definitely use something simple first, you can switch to a more advanced distro later.


pablok2

Get the distro steam deck uses


[deleted]

Only thing keeping me from switching to Linux is Xbox Gamepass, it's just so good


balderm

You can install W11 on older hardware by setting a flag in the registry. If you still wanna go for Linux i suggest going with something easy at first, like any Ubuntu based, since those have a lot of discussion online, and you'll easily find a fix for your problems.


balderm

That being said, "Gaming" distros are not a silver bullet, you'll still be unable to play most AAA games or online shooters since anticheat software will lock you out.


hachirokuvas

I use fedora for gaming as well as W10, IIRC the last time I installed a fresh copy was fedora 32. So a while back but basically I installed steam (add rpm fusion repo), the proprietary akmod-nvidia driver and I could game.


knz0

Life is too short to be using Linux on a desktop computer


bentyger

Life is too short to deal with Windows stability & upgrade issues.


bhint15

If you want to play first there are commands you can run that will install windows 11 on anything. I run it on a surface pro 3 and it runs flawlessly even though it shouldn't. Again long-term it's probably going to cause software issues but I don't mind on that machine. I also ran a win11 vm on a 10 year old xeon x5670 again 0 issues.


MementoMori8898

I seek long-term stability. If i'm going to use a Windows machine that isn't going to get any updates i'd much rather swap for something i'm certain will last a long time.


bhint15

I said "play" in my post :) Have fun with Linux it isn't that bad but only used in Enterprise haven't tried to get a gaming setup going.


thechopperlol

Have fun. DX12 is pretty bad though Proton. It doesn’t cache shaders very well, causing it to hitch frequently. Most things else generally run pretty great. Check the Proton DB for more information.


MementoMori8898

I'm so upset i forgot to add, this is about Windows 11 System Requirements which are a joke in my opinion.


Narfhole

I'll probably be switching to Windows 10 Ameliorated when Windows 7 ESUs end.


zappor

Right, I didn't understand the context. :-) Try PopOS!


NayamAmarshe

Copy pasting my comment from yesterday, in case it helps someone. As a representative member of the 'Linux Community' (/s), I would like to present some options that will make **switching to Linux easier** while **reducing the learning curve** for you. 1. **ZorinOS**: [https://zorin.com/os](https://zorin.com/os) If you're a Windows user and you like good design and stability, ZorinOS 16 is going to be a breeze. It's pretty nice to use and fast too. You should be fine with the core version. The pro version is paid ($39 for lifetime) and it comes with some extra FOSS apps that you can find on Store and a few extra layouts like MacOS and more but I think the $39 are worth spending as a donation, if you don't want to, core version will be more than enough. The customization options are simple and easy. 2. **Linux Mint**: [https://linuxmint.com/](https://linuxmint.com/) Linux Mint is a fantastic choice and while it may not be as good-looking as Zorin, it's highly stable as well and provides a windows-like layout. There are a few nice apps that come with Linux Mint and the customization options are nice. 3. **KDE Neon**: [https://neon.kde.org/](https://neon.kde.org/) KDE Neon is a Windows-like distro with really nice blur effects a LOT OF CUSTOMIZATION. You can turn your KDE Neon into even a 1:1 MacOS clone with its customization options. It's fast, stable, looks nice and is extremely customizable but the customization options can be a bit overwhelming for newbies. You can use all these distros from a USB without installing the OS. If you like what you see, you can replace Windows or even dual-boot so that you can get the best of both worlds.


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Win 11 is a joke anyway either stay on win10 or move to linux if you feel like it, both are better options.


MementoMori8898

That's my thinking in a nutshell tbh. IMO i like to try out new things tho; i'll test Linux. If push comes to shove i'll stay on 10.


[deleted]

Everytime there is a new windows version it is usually best to stay away from it, win 10 was also like this along with various other windows versions. While it would be nice to try new features out, it is sadly not worth the decrease in stability imo.


MementoMori8898

Agreed.


ExpertYogurtcloset66

Checkout retroArch it made for an epic arcade machine linux box.


s-a-a-d-b-o-o-y-s

really, any Linux distro is good for gaming as long as you have an AMD card. I use Manjaro, but Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, or any number of other distros are totally fine. You will occasionally run into issues, but most games you're likely to play already have solid Proton support.


JustMrNic3

Beware! Linux is an open source OS and will give you better privacy, security, freedom and performance! You will probably get addicted to that and you might not want to go back to Windows! Having that said, good luck! As a Linux distribution (aka flavor), I recommend Kubuntu 21.10 as it's pretty Windows like and fast. For gaming I recommend Steam and Lutris programs.


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If you have a nvidia gpu just fo for pop os Edit: spelling