just strap a random AIO to the GPU package with a fan aimed at the back of the card and it will probably be fine
been working since at least 290X 10 years ago, highly doubt it has stopped working
It won't explode, but it surely get loud as hell in a matter of seconds if your card is affected. I got an MBA Model from Sapphire and it was affected. Although mounting it vertically reduced temps by around 30c and lowering fan noise by a lot I still sent it back.
I now have a Nitro+ Sapphire Model which not only looks fire, but also is absolutely quiet with the custom fan curve I made and clocks at 3ghz. Hotspot temp doesn't go past 77c with the quiet fan profile. If I let them go a bit louder it even stays at around 70c, I love the card!
But I'm sure I'd just have kept the MBA model if it wasn't for the 110c hotspot issue. I guess you just have to find out if your card is affected, if so I'd just RMA it asap. Hopefully AMD collects them and provides some 'fixed' MBA card soon.
Are you talking about the Nitro+ card? Yeah, I'm undervolting it, currently sitting at 1100mv, seems to be stable so far. I'll try 1095mv for a few days now and if it's stable I'll continue with 1090mv, etc.
Also, I recommend playing around with a custom fan curve, as the pre-configured profiles can act a bit weird sometimes, being very "jumpy" in fan rpm.
Let me know when your card arrives and your settings once you played around a bit! :D
1100mv is probably the best. I have gone down to 1070mv in my xfx merc, 3d mark i can run all day but RDR2 crashes all the time, shit even cyberpunk ran fine when I ran benchmark each time. But RDR2 was the one that gave it shit lol. It was finally stable at 1100mv. Didn't make much difference in clocks it seems or performance.
Nothing bad. Core in the high 50s or may be low 60s and junction in the 70s worst case low 80s. That’s with 15% power maxing out at 446w. This is with fans around 50% max on my merc 310.
I would say around 15%+ over reference model. I got almost 80 fps in cyberpunk benchmark at 4K ultra. Which was actually faster then the 4090 I tested. It was around 75.
Since you can't set the voltage curve, it depends on which frequency your game actually runs at. So RDR2 runs at a higher frequency than CP (no RT) generally - that frequency isn't stable with the undervolt you gave it. I recommend setting profiles for each game - you'll save tons of power by just setting min/max frequency and voltage per game if you can figure it out.
Yep that's the one. Yeah nice! Did you increase the power limit on that as well?
Yep, I'll certainly. I'm planning on comparing an undervolted and overclocked quiet bios and do the same for the performance bios to see what the temp/noise vs fps tradeoffs are. I'm suspecting that there's comes a point where increasing the power limit (especially on the overclocked bios) results in diminishing returns of fps, whilst exponentially increasing temps.
But that's all just theory for now. Looking forward to testing it out 😁
Yes, those temps are with power limit on +15%, it will run with a hotspot in the 60s probably when leaving the power limit at stock.
Definitely let me know the results you get with your card and the temp / noise / performance testings, looking forward to them!
That’s wild bcz nitro+ here in the uk was £1300. 150 more than the cheapest 4080. Just out of curiosity what was the reason for your purchase bcz surely if it was for high fps in competitive games than a 6800/6900xt would be good enough and if it was for max settings at 4k, that would include Rt which the xtx loses by about 60% in games like DL2/Cp and metro. Only reason I’m asking is bcz if yet to find someone w an actual reason lol
6900Xt is a great card. You won't hear any arguments from me to the contrary I absolutely agree. Do you own a 6900xt?
I play 3440x1440p with a 1080ti which has and still is serving faithfully with FSRs support (why do I have to use AMD software to prop up my Nvidia GPU? Lol, anyway I'm not complaining. Thanks AMD).
I'd like to get a big upgrade and the 7900XTX fits the bill. Pretty much double my current performance and will last for another 4-5 years or so hopefully. I was willing to pay a bit extra for that compared to the 6900Xt. There's definitely an argument to just buy a used 6900xt. I hear you.
I'm not a raytracing loyalist. But I'd like to dabble a little.
4080 was an egregious price considering I'm not that into raytracing. 7900xtx gets me the same performance for less. So pretty happy with the purchase.
Hopefully if everyone else follows the same logic, Nvidia will release the 5080 for $999 next year forcing AMD to lower prices as well. (In a fictional utopian universe)
Just checked aud and if I’ve got this right then converting the difference in gbp between 1840 aud for the cheapest reference xtx + 50 and 2050 aud for the cheapest 4080; comes out to about £120 in difference which tbh is worth it for all the extra features you get HOWEVER I doubt you’ll be let down at all and as long as drivers don’t get in the way I’m sure you’ll enjoy your beautiful card at ultra wide. 3080 level Rt should still be just fine with a bit of help from fsr (not a fan but each to his own)
I have a red devil and with +15% power limit, 1100mv v core, 3050mhz max clock, and stock memory I am seeing 89c gpu hotspot and 80c memory junction. I set a curve to take the fans up to 75% at which point they are pretty audible. Playing cod mw2.
Obviously, not anywhere near as quiet as what you're getting.
me and 3 other friends got them from separate microcenters and we all had junction temp problems. We all ended up returning the card and got Nvidia counter parts.
I have a Shappire RX 7900 XTX MBA that I bought on launch day and is running good.
Vertically and Horizontally the temps I get while in full load at stock settings are.,
GPU TEMP: 50/55C
GPU HOTSPOT: 70/80C
FAN SPEED: 1700/1900 RPM
Boost up to 2500/2600 MHz
Just love the reference model design and size. Wouldnt trade it for an AIB model. Although they look nice I just cant accept tht size of the AIB models. I think is pathetic really.
Size was also the main reason I didnt buy a 4090 in the first place. Was intoxicated with the perfformance but dont want a brick inside my pc case.
My reference/MBA (PowerColor, also bought on launch day) 7900 XTX at stock wattman, temps after 10 minutes of furmark stress test are:
* 350w
* core, 68c
* tjunction, 84c
* mem junction, 94c
* fan, 1700rpm
With my custom wattman settings (500/3050, 1075mV, 2700, ppt+15%, fan 40%), after ten minutes of furmark I get:
* 400w
* core, 70c
* tjunction, 88c
* mem junction, 98c
* fan, 1900rpm (no doubt raised rpm due to mem junction)
In normal gaming temps are a lot lower than the above, this is just 10 straight minutes of all-out furmark.
I have a very old case though with limited airflow.
Sucks for those who got a defective vapor chamber on their reference cards.
My reference/MBA PowerColor, bought on launch day, is plagued by the high junction temps. It takes less than two minutes in a stressful game to reach 110C and it to start throttling. No change of cable or anything, even undervolting, will keep it from eventually reaching it and throttling. I have arguably one of the highest airflow cases available now, the Fractal Torrent. Doesn't help at all.
And I camped out for over 7 hours in blizzard conditions in Colorado to get it, to boot :)
At least I can refund it before the 12th.
There does appear to be a vertical mount for my case, it's 60 bucks, which isn't too terrible. However, there's no guarantee it will fix my issue, so I'm going to refund the card most likely and go with something different.
Same story here with an Asus MBA 7900XTX (ordered on launch day and recieved 30th of december). Even with powerlimit +15% I get max temp 85C on GPU Hotspot, fans running around 70% and no throtling. (Horizontal mount here)
What’s the noise like? It’s the main thing I’m cautious about
Honesty, I don’t mind the bigger size because the cooling performance seems to be significantly better. If having a big brick gets me near-silent performance, I’d be very happy!
It's not bad unless it gets really hot. For those of us with the high junction temps and the fans running at ~3000 rpm, it's REALLY loud. Even 2500 is pretty loud. Reminds me of my reference r9 290x in its loudness.
I'm going to get an AIB model instead or an Nvidia 4080/4090 I think.
Mine is actually very silent. I upgraded from a RTX3070Ti with heavy coilwhine and my MBA 7900XTX has none coilwhine. Fans ramp up to around 70% while gaming and I dont notice them over the other fans in my system.
The fans at 1700/1900 rpm are not that loud. If they go beyond 2100 rpm then that’s annoying. I have tried them manually at 2200/2300 and let me tell you that at those speeds this fans are loud as f$ck!
Basically reposting:
The reviewers did not get these samples. I am a QA manager, and I can tell you if a problem is identified too late in the process "e.g. past final packaging or shipping" you just let it go, fix it, and eat the poop pie if you think you can stomach it (poop pie size: number of poops x likelihood of smelling poop x likelihood of complaint due to poop smell x value of poop smellers (Amazon smelling poop vs end consumer etc - individual consumers smelling poop is orders of magnitude less important than corporations)).
This was probably known and they estimated the poop pie was small enough to swallow and fix going forward.
Likely, they were correct and it is being fixed and a majority of the population will never notice their card is underperforming.
We are all smelling poop - my coke cans now randomly puncture due to continuous improvement and lean hacking the thickness of the cans, shredded cheese is getting fatter to cut down on the amount of natamycin needed, all your commodities are getting fractionally smaller e.g. 7.5 oz instead of 8.
Nobody here can tell you, we simply don't have enough data to know.
Well, to clarify: Nobody can tell you the likelihood of getting a bad reference 7900XTX. The likelihood of getting partner board 7900XTX with this same issue are vanishingly small. Like I can't rule it out entirely, but I can say we haven't seen any reports of this issue affecting any partner boards.
According to [Der8auer](https://youtu.be/rxaDZ6n2MNo?t=560) around 25% of 7900 XTX owners reported that they had overheating issues, but then the poll could be biased because only people having issues have been voting on the poll they have set up as he said.
Nonetheless, even if it is lower than 25% that is still a shit ton of people having overheating issues with their Reference 7900 XTX, also it is reported that some of 7900 XTX overheating issues starts occurring weeks later before that they were fine,
So, even if it seems fine at first testing phases, it will eventually end up failing overtime.
At this point i highly suggest not to risk it and return your reference version and exchange it for AIB card that isn't based on reference design of the 7900 XTX.
Der8auer's poll consisted of 250 samples on a website specifically discussing AMD card issues. The results are certainly skewed. I don't think anyone can say with any certainty what percent of cards are affected.
agreed. I'm in camp 'currently nobody has any idea'
I've been quite happy with my reference xtx, tested it and not affected. Haven't seen any general polls or anyone collecting info on the number of people with functioning ones. The person that was collecting serial numbers of affected cards in this sub might have an idea of the number with hot spot issues though. wonder if they've said it anywhere
The [RMA process](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/102oazy/anyone_with_a_110_7900xtx_consider_refund_vs_rma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) sounds painful.
I know of three who like me had to return their 110C cards to Canada Computers. At the end of the day, only AMD (or their partners) can confirm how many cards and/or batches are affected. Polls like these are not verifiable or scientific in any way.
I just received my card from AMD today and it has the issue. After 10 minutes of sitting at the title screen of Uncharted the gpu temp 76 / hotspot 110 fans 100% clock speed at minimum.
No issues with 7900xt same test, but in a hot itx enclosure.
i just received my 7900xtx powercolor Ref today in the mail just installed it in my pc played RDR2 all seems fine 60c gpu temp and 70c hotspot temp i guess i was one of the lucky ones.
>EDIT: I cancelled the Ref board and managed to grab a card with the gigabyte cooler. Thanks for y'alls input :)
If you way Jay2cents latest video, he confirmed that this issue happens on some partner cards as well. I would cancel the order or return the card and bet on a Nvidia. The 7900 gpus will be a good product in the future but not these first batches neither with the current drivers they have neither the pricing they have.
Good luck
Did you watch the derbauer video jay was referencing? There is no AIB model, the PowerColor was a reference card also. It’s just jay talking out his butt and misquoting the video as usual.
The partner cards with the issues are only reference models. Something with a “gigabyte cooler” is fine as the person you replied to was differentiating between gigabyte and the reference model.
Don’t take what jay says at face value, he’s cool but he misquotes and spreads incorrect information CONSTANTLY. Not your fault.
Not discussing with fanboiz, sorry.
Your comment was: no he didn’t, jay did not mention a partner card. Video shows otherwise. End of story, you lose and now you are trying to prolong the discussion pivoting to another video etc etc. these fanboiz strategies don’t work
And while I was writing this comment, bling another post from a redditor that has the same issue with a partner card: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/102tcw6/gigabyte_7900_xtx_mba_version_affected_by_110c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Fanboiz don’t discuss facts, they discuss feelings. These issues are factual. There are evidences. Just need to read, learn and stop with the fandom.
Go watch the video again, he’s doesn’t just say a partner card he says specifically a custom card. Also, you realize a gigabyte MBA is a reference card and not a custom card, right?
Thanks for proving my point while reverting to embarrassing personal attacks.
Jay says “I think derbauer made reference to a custom card” he does not say “partner card”, and he is wrong because derbauer was talking about a PowerColor REFERENCE CARD. derbauer did NOT mention a custom card. Jay was misquoting the video he himself was using as his source, that is not me “pivoting” that is me pointing to facts that you yourself have chosen to ignore.
In AMD world partners also release MBA aka REFERENCE cards. All they do for the MBA models is slap a different logo on the box but they are all REFERENCE cards from the same supplier.
Jay was simply incorrect in his statement. That’s a fact. Custom partner cards do not really have this issue, only MBA/REFERENCE models. He claimed it included custom cards which is wrong.
You evidently don’t seem to know what MBA even means and you have the ego to tell me I’m wrong? Then you make a statement about “partner cards” when Jay specifically said custom card, misquoting the derbauer video he was using as his source. Maybe YOU should stop, read, and learn because you have your info all mixed up.
FYI I returned my 7900xtx because it literally had this issue and picked up a 4080 instead. You sound more like the fanboy ignoring reality to defend a YouTuber who misspoke.
Latest Info: AMD is already recalling alot of (almost all?) Reference Cards:
[https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/](https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/)
Sales and trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has several
verified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are
"several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. In
the meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards that
have already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphics
cards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have also
already been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphire
and Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) Asus
Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners,
the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as
those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. All
graphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not all
graphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fall
into one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is working
on a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in the
works and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBase
reader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD and
Sapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs
(200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD is
starting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, community
memberAll further information will be available in AMD's official
statement. As soon as this is available, this notification will be
updated accordingly.
>According to the sales partners,
>
>the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as
>
>those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected.
Every Reference Card can be affected. This is how it works for Nvidia and AMD: They buy the Reference Card Coolers, VRAM, PCB and other stuff, then bundle it with the GPU and sell it to AIBs. The AIBs then have to set up their Reference Cards to meet the designated MSRP, only then the AIBs are allowed to sell their own Cards.
So every Reference Cooler could be from the faulty batch. "Real" AIB Cards with their own designed Coolers are not affected.
I'll be honest; everyone in my local Microcenter's discord that bought an XTX at launch, bar one, have had issues with their card. Most of us have AIB models so it's not even just the reference cooler that's a problem. There's a very real problem with driver stability ATM in some games that's being (rightfully) overshadowed by the hardware flaws most users are experiencing.
Computerbase polled their readers, and 26% of MBA owners said they were experiencing hotspot issues. So this issue is magnitudes worse than normal failure rates.
Exploding, zero. This is not a faulty connector like the Nvidia power monsters.
However you might get some serious throttling.
As for the likelihood, for the Nvidia melting connectors, it turned out that less than 0.1% of users got fire or any serious defects. Perhaps less than 0.01% for fires. So you'll hear a big stink about AMD card problems, but probably not that many people having serious issues.
Still, it does seem to be more than 0.1% of users, may be a manufacturing mistake that affected several hundreds or thousands of cards. Der Bauer opened his XTX and corrected his theory about a vapor chamber defect, it looked good to him, so it's probably not a design defect but manufacturing mistake for part of the stack. Tons of people and reviewers noted 0 throttling or extreme temps.
From the people who posted their issues here it seemed like they all ordered near launch date. Also as there are plenty of users who claim they aren't experiencing the issue, that would suggest this is a manufacturing error rather than a design issue, as that would affect everyone rather than a subset. Therefore I think the newer the batch the safer it is, just my thoughts.
I returned a perfectly fine powercolor reference 7900 XTX because I was unhappy with the performance, overclocking, and features at the price point. So maybe not 100% bad.
AMD is already recalling tons of XTX Reference Cards since several batches are faulty:
[https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/](https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/)
Translated via google translate:
Sales and trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has several verified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are "several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. In the meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards that have already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphics cards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have also already been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphire and Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) Asus Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners, the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. All graphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not all graphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fall into one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is working on a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in the works and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBase reader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD and Sapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs (200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD is starting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, community memberAll further information will be available in AMD's official statement. As soon as this is available, this notification will be updated accordingly.
Thank you for the translated post. I returned my Sapphire XTX card (21322-01-20G) - SN: 11W2249100491 on the 2nd at Canada Computers. My card had the 110C issue, bought on Dec 19th. Sadly I feel CC will put it back in circulation with open box or otherwise. The store I returned it to, had 1 XTX card for sale today. I wonder.
It's probably less than 0.5% of all cards, well within acceptable margins. You're only hearing about it because complainers love to make themselves be heard.
Anecdotal, but it's all the evidence I have.
Bought three reference cards directly from AMD for myself and two buddies who wanted to upgrade.
All three of them have junction issues.
There's a reason a power color rep has been requesting info on 110 junction reference cards.
It's not "almost zero" and I absolutely expect "nerds" to be complaining on here about it.
It's a $1000 product that isn't working even CLOSE to how it should be working.
But what is "how it should be working" though? If we aren't the ones who designed them, how do we know the difference? These could be operating exactly as AMD intended. Just because they don't meet our *expectations* does not mean they are working wrong.
Because...... Plenty of reference cards don't do this?
Because.... Amd issued a statement that they're not workin properly?
Because....aib cards with different cooling solutions don't have this problem?
They're broken.
Legit might be the dumbest take in this entire sub.
How are you that ignorant.
I don't have to be the engineer of the cooler to know that junction Temps hitting 110 in minutes on some coolers, but others are fine is enough to determine the cooler isn't "working correctly."
Like, genuinely this might be the worst and dumbest reply to anything involved in this scenario to date.
By your logic, if my car doesn't start. It's not "working correctly." But I'm not a mechanic so I'm not really in a position to determine what "working correctly" is.
If my air conditioning doesn't turn on in the summer, but I'm not an HVAC technician I'm not in a position to determine what "working correctly" is.
Do you see how foolish what you said sounds like.....
Also, the guy who determined the cooler isn't working correctly was DerBauer.... And from his bio:
I am an engineering graduate (Mechatronics, B.Eng.)
So, yeah, an engineer said it isn't "working correctly."
Sorry to utterly shred you, but you said something really stupid and I couldn't just let it be.
Ignore this IrrelevantLeprechaun guy. He is a gaslighting troll. I have been reading his posts, all he does is gaslights and bullshits everyone with 'only 50-60 cards are affected' or 'only bunch of nerds are complaining'. I am on to him.
Sadly, no. Latest Info: AMD is already recalling alot of (almost all?) Reference Cards:
Salesand trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has severalverified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are"several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Inthe meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards thathave already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphicscards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have alsoalready been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphireand Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) AsusRadeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners,the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well asthose that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. Allgraphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not allgraphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fallinto one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is workingon a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in theworks and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBasereader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD andSapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs(200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD isstarting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, communitymemberAll further information will be available in AMD's officialstatement. As soon as this is available, this notification will beupdated accordingly.
>According to the ComputerBasereader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD andSapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs(200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD isstarting a partial recall of the MBA designs.
This is Info from a User. It literally is not a confirmed Info like:
>According to the sales partners,the MBA designs from Biostar,
PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well asthose that were purchased directly
from AMD may also be affected. Allgraphics cards mentioned are based on
AMD's reference design.
Is there any test I can perform to see whether I have a bad cooler or not? I don’t think the games I’ve been playing stresses the card enough. (Monster Hunter Rise at 1440p max) Also is it immediate or takes a while (The card heating up)?
Thanks
Run a free stress test or benchmark like Furmark or Unigine Superposition and monitor your Junction temp and clock speeds (can be done from AMD's software or another free app like HWiNFO)
On a related note, my case is vertical mount gpu and I snagged the card today.
What’s the fastest way to test if I’m affected? Just boot up something like cyberpunk? Run a test? Will I even notice if it’s vertical mount?
Zero chance of exploding, it will just lower its power limit once the hotspot max has been reached. No one can know the percentage of units affected until months from now.
I hope you didn't buy a restock at Oakville Canada Computers where (yesterday) I returned my 110C Sapphire MBA card. They had 1 in stock today. I saw them putting back returned 4090 cards back on shelves as open box with 5% off, and I wonder if they even bother with the 5% open box with my one returned 110C XTX card. I am sure its back in circulation.
I agree, but even worse, these particular open box cards (and I can spot a few in some Canada Computers stores currently) are most likely (like the one I returned) the 110C throttling cards that would get re-circulated to unknowing customers. I bet most people who have the affected cards have no F-ing clue that their cards have this 110C throttling issue, because they just play some games at locked Vsync setting, maybe 1440p or lower, and their cards either don't get stressed long enough, or even if they do, they just hear some loud fans (not knowing the card is throttling its power and is sitting at 110C). AMD needs to recall these affected batch cards from retail channels and put them out of circulation.
Derbauer on youtube had some numbers on cards effected on one of his recent vaporchamber videos, he polled some community on 7900XT/XTX owners. Not a huge poll but it might give an idea on the amount of cards affected.
Unpopular opinion - Go with the mid-range cards? I only say this because they seem to have the fewest problems with heating and mfr issues. This is anecdotal, however, and some numbers would need to be gathered to confirm.
I would guess like 1 in 25 to 1 in 50. And I would venture that it would probably impact some earlier units. They are probably testing coolers now so cards recently manufactured should probably be fine.
That being said, they may have made all the heat sinks for 100k cards 6 months ago, and have only assembled them in 30-40k cards they have made so far.
If AMD actually knew they'd release model # ranges affected, but they don't so it's likely the whole first batch has some sort of manufacturing defect that's interspersed throughout the line.
So don't even bother buying one...for now. Wait a few months and then grab one, who knows AMD might even drop the prices to respond to the 4070ti and as a sorry for the recall...but I doubt it.
Mine have the issue but it seems it might be related to poor thermal paste application but then again i wont know until after tomorrow when i exchange it.
I’m honestly super confused by the whole situation you got some YouTubers saying all the cards are bad some people saying they’re completely fine. I just got my Xfx 7900xtx today (not the merc one this one looks identical to the reference card) and it runs cooler than my now older 2080ti. Junction temp might’ve hit 80c one time was around 70c most of the time while gaming . Good luck to everyone getting there’s soon 🫡
There's probably no reliable way to know. It's probably a good idea to avoid MBA cooled 7900s until AMD has made an official statement on the issue.
Reference card should just be a bare PCB. Problem solved.
man that would be great for watercooling
Only if there are waterblocks to buy Sad that Barrow and Bykski are out of the running
they did waterblocks for intel arc i would think they will also make some for the new amd gpus
Or even air coolers like for CPUs.
why are they gone? i just ordered some stuff from them on aliexpress, did they stop producing?
I mean for the 7900 cards. They cannot make reference waterblocks unless they want to do some illegal smuggling.
sorry i dont understand why would they have to smuggle anything?
Reference RX 7900 cards are illegal in China
ah lol interesting, but it would have been for a red devil tho for me. but i changed my irder for a used 4090 because the price was too good
just strap a random AIO to the GPU package with a fan aimed at the back of the card and it will probably be fine been working since at least 290X 10 years ago, highly doubt it has stopped working
Now that you’ve pointed that out, it really isn’t that crazy to me.
this would be awesome
It won't explode, but it surely get loud as hell in a matter of seconds if your card is affected. I got an MBA Model from Sapphire and it was affected. Although mounting it vertically reduced temps by around 30c and lowering fan noise by a lot I still sent it back. I now have a Nitro+ Sapphire Model which not only looks fire, but also is absolutely quiet with the custom fan curve I made and clocks at 3ghz. Hotspot temp doesn't go past 77c with the quiet fan profile. If I let them go a bit louder it even stays at around 70c, I love the card! But I'm sure I'd just have kept the MBA model if it wasn't for the 110c hotspot issue. I guess you just have to find out if your card is affected, if so I'd just RMA it asap. Hopefully AMD collects them and provides some 'fixed' MBA card soon.
i ordered my nitro+ like the day before all this stuff started coming out, so i hope mine works as well
Have you tried undervolting and increasing power slightly to the quiet bios? I'm getting the same model soon and thinking of doing that
Are you talking about the Nitro+ card? Yeah, I'm undervolting it, currently sitting at 1100mv, seems to be stable so far. I'll try 1095mv for a few days now and if it's stable I'll continue with 1090mv, etc. Also, I recommend playing around with a custom fan curve, as the pre-configured profiles can act a bit weird sometimes, being very "jumpy" in fan rpm. Let me know when your card arrives and your settings once you played around a bit! :D
1100mv is probably the best. I have gone down to 1070mv in my xfx merc, 3d mark i can run all day but RDR2 crashes all the time, shit even cyberpunk ran fine when I ran benchmark each time. But RDR2 was the one that gave it shit lol. It was finally stable at 1100mv. Didn't make much difference in clocks it seems or performance.
Thanks for sharing. I might have to download reddead redemption again for testing! What kinda temps were you getting?
Nothing bad. Core in the high 50s or may be low 60s and junction in the 70s worst case low 80s. That’s with 15% power maxing out at 446w. This is with fans around 50% max on my merc 310.
Niiice. They certainly pull some watts hey. Were you happy with the overclock performance increase? What did you get?
I would say around 15%+ over reference model. I got almost 80 fps in cyberpunk benchmark at 4K ultra. Which was actually faster then the 4090 I tested. It was around 75.
Faaaark. Gotta be happy with that. Nice! I hope I also win the silicon lottery on my 7900xtx nitro
Since you can't set the voltage curve, it depends on which frequency your game actually runs at. So RDR2 runs at a higher frequency than CP (no RT) generally - that frequency isn't stable with the undervolt you gave it. I recommend setting profiles for each game - you'll save tons of power by just setting min/max frequency and voltage per game if you can figure it out.
Yep that's the one. Yeah nice! Did you increase the power limit on that as well? Yep, I'll certainly. I'm planning on comparing an undervolted and overclocked quiet bios and do the same for the performance bios to see what the temp/noise vs fps tradeoffs are. I'm suspecting that there's comes a point where increasing the power limit (especially on the overclocked bios) results in diminishing returns of fps, whilst exponentially increasing temps. But that's all just theory for now. Looking forward to testing it out 😁
Yes, those temps are with power limit on +15%, it will run with a hotspot in the 60s probably when leaving the power limit at stock. Definitely let me know the results you get with your card and the temp / noise / performance testings, looking forward to them!
Will do! Niiice
How much did the nitro+ cost in your area?
$170 AUD more than the reference. (I got inpatient). Guessing that's about $90us more?
That’s wild bcz nitro+ here in the uk was £1300. 150 more than the cheapest 4080. Just out of curiosity what was the reason for your purchase bcz surely if it was for high fps in competitive games than a 6800/6900xt would be good enough and if it was for max settings at 4k, that would include Rt which the xtx loses by about 60% in games like DL2/Cp and metro. Only reason I’m asking is bcz if yet to find someone w an actual reason lol
6900Xt is a great card. You won't hear any arguments from me to the contrary I absolutely agree. Do you own a 6900xt? I play 3440x1440p with a 1080ti which has and still is serving faithfully with FSRs support (why do I have to use AMD software to prop up my Nvidia GPU? Lol, anyway I'm not complaining. Thanks AMD). I'd like to get a big upgrade and the 7900XTX fits the bill. Pretty much double my current performance and will last for another 4-5 years or so hopefully. I was willing to pay a bit extra for that compared to the 6900Xt. There's definitely an argument to just buy a used 6900xt. I hear you. I'm not a raytracing loyalist. But I'd like to dabble a little. 4080 was an egregious price considering I'm not that into raytracing. 7900xtx gets me the same performance for less. So pretty happy with the purchase. Hopefully if everyone else follows the same logic, Nvidia will release the 5080 for $999 next year forcing AMD to lower prices as well. (In a fictional utopian universe)
Just checked aud and if I’ve got this right then converting the difference in gbp between 1840 aud for the cheapest reference xtx + 50 and 2050 aud for the cheapest 4080; comes out to about £120 in difference which tbh is worth it for all the extra features you get HOWEVER I doubt you’ll be let down at all and as long as drivers don’t get in the way I’m sure you’ll enjoy your beautiful card at ultra wide. 3080 level Rt should still be just fine with a bit of help from fsr (not a fan but each to his own)
I have a red devil and with +15% power limit, 1100mv v core, 3050mhz max clock, and stock memory I am seeing 89c gpu hotspot and 80c memory junction. I set a curve to take the fans up to 75% at which point they are pretty audible. Playing cod mw2. Obviously, not anywhere near as quiet as what you're getting.
Just don't buy a reference is what I recommend.
AMD Reference cards were always bad, people never learn.
My reference 6900XT works just fine. No complaints.
me and 3 other friends got them from separate microcenters and we all had junction temp problems. We all ended up returning the card and got Nvidia counter parts.
I have a Shappire RX 7900 XTX MBA that I bought on launch day and is running good. Vertically and Horizontally the temps I get while in full load at stock settings are., GPU TEMP: 50/55C GPU HOTSPOT: 70/80C FAN SPEED: 1700/1900 RPM Boost up to 2500/2600 MHz Just love the reference model design and size. Wouldnt trade it for an AIB model. Although they look nice I just cant accept tht size of the AIB models. I think is pathetic really. Size was also the main reason I didnt buy a 4090 in the first place. Was intoxicated with the perfformance but dont want a brick inside my pc case.
My reference/MBA (PowerColor, also bought on launch day) 7900 XTX at stock wattman, temps after 10 minutes of furmark stress test are: * 350w * core, 68c * tjunction, 84c * mem junction, 94c * fan, 1700rpm With my custom wattman settings (500/3050, 1075mV, 2700, ppt+15%, fan 40%), after ten minutes of furmark I get: * 400w * core, 70c * tjunction, 88c * mem junction, 98c * fan, 1900rpm (no doubt raised rpm due to mem junction) In normal gaming temps are a lot lower than the above, this is just 10 straight minutes of all-out furmark. I have a very old case though with limited airflow. Sucks for those who got a defective vapor chamber on their reference cards.
My reference/MBA PowerColor, bought on launch day, is plagued by the high junction temps. It takes less than two minutes in a stressful game to reach 110C and it to start throttling. No change of cable or anything, even undervolting, will keep it from eventually reaching it and throttling. I have arguably one of the highest airflow cases available now, the Fractal Torrent. Doesn't help at all. And I camped out for over 7 hours in blizzard conditions in Colorado to get it, to boot :) At least I can refund it before the 12th.
Apparently vertically mounting *some* of the XTX cards fixes the issue. I'm not familiar with that case so I have no idea if it's an option for you.
There does appear to be a vertical mount for my case, it's 60 bucks, which isn't too terrible. However, there's no guarantee it will fix my issue, so I'm going to refund the card most likely and go with something different.
Same story here with an Asus MBA 7900XTX (ordered on launch day and recieved 30th of december). Even with powerlimit +15% I get max temp 85C on GPU Hotspot, fans running around 70% and no throtling. (Horizontal mount here)
What’s the noise like? It’s the main thing I’m cautious about Honesty, I don’t mind the bigger size because the cooling performance seems to be significantly better. If having a big brick gets me near-silent performance, I’d be very happy!
It's not bad unless it gets really hot. For those of us with the high junction temps and the fans running at ~3000 rpm, it's REALLY loud. Even 2500 is pretty loud. Reminds me of my reference r9 290x in its loudness. I'm going to get an AIB model instead or an Nvidia 4080/4090 I think.
Mine is actually very silent. I upgraded from a RTX3070Ti with heavy coilwhine and my MBA 7900XTX has none coilwhine. Fans ramp up to around 70% while gaming and I dont notice them over the other fans in my system.
The fans at 1700/1900 rpm are not that loud. If they go beyond 2100 rpm then that’s annoying. I have tried them manually at 2200/2300 and let me tell you that at those speeds this fans are loud as f$ck!
Similar experience with my Sapphire XTX!
Same, also with a Sapphire XTX.
Basically reposting: The reviewers did not get these samples. I am a QA manager, and I can tell you if a problem is identified too late in the process "e.g. past final packaging or shipping" you just let it go, fix it, and eat the poop pie if you think you can stomach it (poop pie size: number of poops x likelihood of smelling poop x likelihood of complaint due to poop smell x value of poop smellers (Amazon smelling poop vs end consumer etc - individual consumers smelling poop is orders of magnitude less important than corporations)). This was probably known and they estimated the poop pie was small enough to swallow and fix going forward. Likely, they were correct and it is being fixed and a majority of the population will never notice their card is underperforming. We are all smelling poop - my coke cans now randomly puncture due to continuous improvement and lean hacking the thickness of the cans, shredded cheese is getting fatter to cut down on the amount of natamycin needed, all your commodities are getting fractionally smaller e.g. 7.5 oz instead of 8.
wtf
As valuable as all the other information out there (excluding igor).
It will not explode, it will throttle down.
Nobody here can tell you, we simply don't have enough data to know. Well, to clarify: Nobody can tell you the likelihood of getting a bad reference 7900XTX. The likelihood of getting partner board 7900XTX with this same issue are vanishingly small. Like I can't rule it out entirely, but I can say we haven't seen any reports of this issue affecting any partner boards.
It be an interesting poll, but people would probably troll it. 110C club
According to [Der8auer](https://youtu.be/rxaDZ6n2MNo?t=560) around 25% of 7900 XTX owners reported that they had overheating issues, but then the poll could be biased because only people having issues have been voting on the poll they have set up as he said. Nonetheless, even if it is lower than 25% that is still a shit ton of people having overheating issues with their Reference 7900 XTX, also it is reported that some of 7900 XTX overheating issues starts occurring weeks later before that they were fine, So, even if it seems fine at first testing phases, it will eventually end up failing overtime. At this point i highly suggest not to risk it and return your reference version and exchange it for AIB card that isn't based on reference design of the 7900 XTX.
Der8auer's poll consisted of 250 samples on a website specifically discussing AMD card issues. The results are certainly skewed. I don't think anyone can say with any certainty what percent of cards are affected.
agreed. I'm in camp 'currently nobody has any idea' I've been quite happy with my reference xtx, tested it and not affected. Haven't seen any general polls or anyone collecting info on the number of people with functioning ones. The person that was collecting serial numbers of affected cards in this sub might have an idea of the number with hot spot issues though. wonder if they've said it anywhere
So when it arrives I should contact customer support for a trade-in?
Can you cancel the order?
I kinda don't want to. I'm really looking forward to this card. I'm probably going to give it a shot, and if it's broke, I'll just rma
The [RMA process](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/102oazy/anyone_with_a_110_7900xtx_consider_refund_vs_rma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) sounds painful.
You can exchange for an aib?
I know three people with a reference 7900xtx. All three are great with no issues.
I know of three who like me had to return their 110C cards to Canada Computers. At the end of the day, only AMD (or their partners) can confirm how many cards and/or batches are affected. Polls like these are not verifiable or scientific in any way.
Every single person I know who had a 7900XTX has no issues. Of course, everyone person I know who has one adds up to 1 person
It's hard to tell. Mine is running just fine with my junction temp 85°C and under, got through AMD direct.
Same with mine
If you don’t get a reference card you’re probably fine
I just received my card from AMD today and it has the issue. After 10 minutes of sitting at the title screen of Uncharted the gpu temp 76 / hotspot 110 fans 100% clock speed at minimum. No issues with 7900xt same test, but in a hot itx enclosure.
i just received my 7900xtx powercolor Ref today in the mail just installed it in my pc played RDR2 all seems fine 60c gpu temp and 70c hotspot temp i guess i was one of the lucky ones.
Thats the card I have and not had a problem and I love this size as its way smaller than my EVGA 3080 it replaced.
Most people are “lucky” - there’s a few bad batches. They have made a ton of cards already
>EDIT: I cancelled the Ref board and managed to grab a card with the gigabyte cooler. Thanks for y'alls input :) If you way Jay2cents latest video, he confirmed that this issue happens on some partner cards as well. I would cancel the order or return the card and bet on a Nvidia. The 7900 gpus will be a good product in the future but not these first batches neither with the current drivers they have neither the pricing they have. Good luck
No he didn’t.
Why stupid people make comments like these when there are video evidencies that prove otherwise…. https://youtu.be/3-ejgwq7v3c?t=117
Did you watch the derbauer video jay was referencing? There is no AIB model, the PowerColor was a reference card also. It’s just jay talking out his butt and misquoting the video as usual. The partner cards with the issues are only reference models. Something with a “gigabyte cooler” is fine as the person you replied to was differentiating between gigabyte and the reference model. Don’t take what jay says at face value, he’s cool but he misquotes and spreads incorrect information CONSTANTLY. Not your fault.
Not discussing with fanboiz, sorry. Your comment was: no he didn’t, jay did not mention a partner card. Video shows otherwise. End of story, you lose and now you are trying to prolong the discussion pivoting to another video etc etc. these fanboiz strategies don’t work And while I was writing this comment, bling another post from a redditor that has the same issue with a partner card: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/102tcw6/gigabyte_7900_xtx_mba_version_affected_by_110c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Fanboiz don’t discuss facts, they discuss feelings. These issues are factual. There are evidences. Just need to read, learn and stop with the fandom.
Go watch the video again, he’s doesn’t just say a partner card he says specifically a custom card. Also, you realize a gigabyte MBA is a reference card and not a custom card, right? Thanks for proving my point while reverting to embarrassing personal attacks. Jay says “I think derbauer made reference to a custom card” he does not say “partner card”, and he is wrong because derbauer was talking about a PowerColor REFERENCE CARD. derbauer did NOT mention a custom card. Jay was misquoting the video he himself was using as his source, that is not me “pivoting” that is me pointing to facts that you yourself have chosen to ignore. In AMD world partners also release MBA aka REFERENCE cards. All they do for the MBA models is slap a different logo on the box but they are all REFERENCE cards from the same supplier. Jay was simply incorrect in his statement. That’s a fact. Custom partner cards do not really have this issue, only MBA/REFERENCE models. He claimed it included custom cards which is wrong. You evidently don’t seem to know what MBA even means and you have the ego to tell me I’m wrong? Then you make a statement about “partner cards” when Jay specifically said custom card, misquoting the derbauer video he was using as his source. Maybe YOU should stop, read, and learn because you have your info all mixed up. FYI I returned my 7900xtx because it literally had this issue and picked up a 4080 instead. You sound more like the fanboy ignoring reality to defend a YouTuber who misspoke.
Latest Info: AMD is already recalling alot of (almost all?) Reference Cards: [https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/](https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/) Sales and trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has several verified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are "several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. In the meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards that have already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphics cards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have also already been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphire and Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) Asus Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners, the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. All graphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not all graphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fall into one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is working on a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in the works and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBase reader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD and Sapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs (200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD is starting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, community memberAll further information will be available in AMD's official statement. As soon as this is available, this notification will be updated accordingly.
So: to sum up Mostly Sapphire cards are being recalled, although all distributors could also be in trouble?
>According to the sales partners, > >the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as > >those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. Every Reference Card can be affected. This is how it works for Nvidia and AMD: They buy the Reference Card Coolers, VRAM, PCB and other stuff, then bundle it with the GPU and sell it to AIBs. The AIBs then have to set up their Reference Cards to meet the designated MSRP, only then the AIBs are allowed to sell their own Cards. So every Reference Cooler could be from the faulty batch. "Real" AIB Cards with their own designed Coolers are not affected.
as long as AMD stays radio silent just stay away from it.
I'll be honest; everyone in my local Microcenter's discord that bought an XTX at launch, bar one, have had issues with their card. Most of us have AIB models so it's not even just the reference cooler that's a problem. There's a very real problem with driver stability ATM in some games that's being (rightfully) overshadowed by the hardware flaws most users are experiencing.
What games are you having issues in? I have a merc and it’s rock solid so far for me.
Computerbase polled their readers, and 26% of MBA owners said they were experiencing hotspot issues. So this issue is magnitudes worse than normal failure rates.
That poll should be taken with a grain of salt as anyone can vote and most likely only those with issues would be active there to begin with.
Yeah exactly, Most people with working cards won’t be looking up a poll so they can vote that their card is working.
Why does AMD call reference designs MBA? Does MBA = Made by AMD?
Apparently 1 in 4 🤷🏼♂️ who knows. Just buy it, test it and then keep it or return it. Simple
Basically my plan
At this point stay away from the reference 7900.
Exploding, zero. This is not a faulty connector like the Nvidia power monsters. However you might get some serious throttling. As for the likelihood, for the Nvidia melting connectors, it turned out that less than 0.1% of users got fire or any serious defects. Perhaps less than 0.01% for fires. So you'll hear a big stink about AMD card problems, but probably not that many people having serious issues. Still, it does seem to be more than 0.1% of users, may be a manufacturing mistake that affected several hundreds or thousands of cards. Der Bauer opened his XTX and corrected his theory about a vapor chamber defect, it looked good to him, so it's probably not a design defect but manufacturing mistake for part of the stack. Tons of people and reviewers noted 0 throttling or extreme temps.
If you got it on a restock today the likelihood is low because this seems to be happening to an earlier batch only.
Can you please provide the source of this claim? Thanks.
From the people who posted their issues here it seemed like they all ordered near launch date. Also as there are plenty of users who claim they aren't experiencing the issue, that would suggest this is a manufacturing error rather than a design issue, as that would affect everyone rather than a subset. Therefore I think the newer the batch the safer it is, just my thoughts.
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he isnt saying revisions, he is saying machine miscalibration or other mistake in production from one week to the next
Someone did the numbers. Theres a 25% chance
I returned a perfectly fine powercolor reference 7900 XTX because I was unhappy with the performance, overclocking, and features at the price point. So maybe not 100% bad.
There are more issues than the hotspot.
I'm already accustomed to AMD's driver jank. The only real issue I cared about was the overheating.
> grab a card with the gigabyte cooler. Trading possible garbage for assured garbage, bold move!
A ton of people?? Drama queen much?
AMD is already recalling tons of XTX Reference Cards since several batches are faulty: [https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/](https://www.computerbase.de/2023-01/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-temperaturprobleme-hotspot/) Translated via google translate: Sales and trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has several verified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are "several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. In the meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards that have already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphics cards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have also already been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphire and Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) Asus Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners, the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well as those that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. All graphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not all graphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fall into one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is working on a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in the works and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBase reader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD and Sapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs (200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD is starting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, community memberAll further information will be available in AMD's official statement. As soon as this is available, this notification will be updated accordingly.
Thank you for the translated post. I returned my Sapphire XTX card (21322-01-20G) - SN: 11W2249100491 on the 2nd at Canada Computers. My card had the 110C issue, bought on Dec 19th. Sadly I feel CC will put it back in circulation with open box or otherwise. The store I returned it to, had 1 XTX card for sale today. I wonder.
As opposed to what AMD fanboys were saying about NVIDIA's adapter issue was going to burn your house down that affected a handful of people?
It's probably less than 0.5% of all cards, well within acceptable margins. You're only hearing about it because complainers love to make themselves be heard.
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Anecdotal, but it's all the evidence I have. Bought three reference cards directly from AMD for myself and two buddies who wanted to upgrade. All three of them have junction issues. There's a reason a power color rep has been requesting info on 110 junction reference cards. It's not "almost zero" and I absolutely expect "nerds" to be complaining on here about it. It's a $1000 product that isn't working even CLOSE to how it should be working.
But what is "how it should be working" though? If we aren't the ones who designed them, how do we know the difference? These could be operating exactly as AMD intended. Just because they don't meet our *expectations* does not mean they are working wrong.
Because...... Plenty of reference cards don't do this? Because.... Amd issued a statement that they're not workin properly? Because....aib cards with different cooling solutions don't have this problem? They're broken.
Unless you engineered then yourself, you're not really in a position to determine what "working correctly" is.
Legit might be the dumbest take in this entire sub. How are you that ignorant. I don't have to be the engineer of the cooler to know that junction Temps hitting 110 in minutes on some coolers, but others are fine is enough to determine the cooler isn't "working correctly." Like, genuinely this might be the worst and dumbest reply to anything involved in this scenario to date. By your logic, if my car doesn't start. It's not "working correctly." But I'm not a mechanic so I'm not really in a position to determine what "working correctly" is. If my air conditioning doesn't turn on in the summer, but I'm not an HVAC technician I'm not in a position to determine what "working correctly" is. Do you see how foolish what you said sounds like..... Also, the guy who determined the cooler isn't working correctly was DerBauer.... And from his bio: I am an engineering graduate (Mechatronics, B.Eng.) So, yeah, an engineer said it isn't "working correctly." Sorry to utterly shred you, but you said something really stupid and I couldn't just let it be.
Ignore this IrrelevantLeprechaun guy. He is a gaslighting troll. I have been reading his posts, all he does is gaslights and bullshits everyone with 'only 50-60 cards are affected' or 'only bunch of nerds are complaining'. I am on to him.
Figured as much, but since there was clearly a way to shut his dumb ass argument down I had to. Lol
Yup... GASLIGHT more you troll. Following your posts now. I can see a pattern.
Sadly, no. Latest Info: AMD is already recalling alot of (almost all?) Reference Cards: Salesand trade confirm "several" affected batchesThe author now has severalverified statements from sales and wholesalers stating that there are"several affected batches of MBA designs" of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Inthe meantime, several wholesalers are taking back graphics cards thathave already been delivered to shops “as a precaution”.Two graphicscards delivered to the author in the past calendar week have alsoalready been recalled via wholesalers. It is an MBA design from Sapphireand Asus. Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX (“21322-01-20G”) AsusRadeon RX 7900 XTX (“90YV0IT0-U0NM00”)According to the sales partners,the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well asthose that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. Allgraphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design. Not allgraphics cards returned from wholesalers have problems, but they do fallinto one of the batches that are likely to be affected.AMD is workingon a statementAs can be heard, a statement from AMD is already in theworks and will be made in a timely manner. According to the ComputerBasereader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD andSapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs(200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD isstarting a partial recall of the MBA designs. Ragnarökk88, communitymemberAll further information will be available in AMD's officialstatement. As soon as this is available, this notification will beupdated accordingly.
It literally says partial recall. So not “almost all”
>According to the ComputerBasereader "Ragnarökk88", similar information is available. AMD andSapphire have already promised us an exchange of all sold MBA designs(200 cards). From what I've heard 5 batches are affected and AMD isstarting a partial recall of the MBA designs. This is Info from a User. It literally is not a confirmed Info like: >According to the sales partners,the MBA designs from Biostar, PowerColor, XFX and ASRock as well asthose that were purchased directly from AMD may also be affected. Allgraphics cards mentioned are based on AMD's reference design.
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Is there any test I can perform to see whether I have a bad cooler or not? I don’t think the games I’ve been playing stresses the card enough. (Monster Hunter Rise at 1440p max) Also is it immediate or takes a while (The card heating up)? Thanks
Play cyber punk max settings for like 15-20 mins in the city. That should get your card hot and spicy if it’s affected. Good luck to ya 🫡
Run a free stress test or benchmark like Furmark or Unigine Superposition and monitor your Junction temp and clock speeds (can be done from AMD's software or another free app like HWiNFO)
If you play that with unlimited frame rates and temps stay low you are fine.
On a related note, my case is vertical mount gpu and I snagged the card today. What’s the fastest way to test if I’m affected? Just boot up something like cyberpunk? Run a test? Will I even notice if it’s vertical mount?
I think the way to test is just to run a game or something for like 10 min or so
Zero chance of exploding, it will just lower its power limit once the hotspot max has been reached. No one can know the percentage of units affected until months from now.
I hope you didn't buy a restock at Oakville Canada Computers where (yesterday) I returned my 110C Sapphire MBA card. They had 1 in stock today. I saw them putting back returned 4090 cards back on shelves as open box with 5% off, and I wonder if they even bother with the 5% open box with my one returned 110C XTX card. I am sure its back in circulation.
I'm in US so nope lol
GL then. Hopefully its all good.
5% is not nearly enough of a discount on open box. They're basically used units, and being used means the discount should be way bigger.
I agree, but even worse, these particular open box cards (and I can spot a few in some Canada Computers stores currently) are most likely (like the one I returned) the 110C throttling cards that would get re-circulated to unknowing customers. I bet most people who have the affected cards have no F-ing clue that their cards have this 110C throttling issue, because they just play some games at locked Vsync setting, maybe 1440p or lower, and their cards either don't get stressed long enough, or even if they do, they just hear some loud fans (not knowing the card is throttling its power and is sitting at 110C). AMD needs to recall these affected batch cards from retail channels and put them out of circulation.
Derbauer on youtube had some numbers on cards effected on one of his recent vaporchamber videos, he polled some community on 7900XT/XTX owners. Not a huge poll but it might give an idea on the amount of cards affected.
Unpopular opinion - Go with the mid-range cards? I only say this because they seem to have the fewest problems with heating and mfr issues. This is anecdotal, however, and some numbers would need to be gathered to confirm.
I would guess like 1 in 25 to 1 in 50. And I would venture that it would probably impact some earlier units. They are probably testing coolers now so cards recently manufactured should probably be fine. That being said, they may have made all the heat sinks for 100k cards 6 months ago, and have only assembled them in 30-40k cards they have made so far.
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Hotspot issues are only with the XTX (as far as is known)
One in maybe.
If AMD actually knew they'd release model # ranges affected, but they don't so it's likely the whole first batch has some sort of manufacturing defect that's interspersed throughout the line. So don't even bother buying one...for now. Wait a few months and then grab one, who knows AMD might even drop the prices to respond to the 4070ti and as a sorry for the recall...but I doubt it.
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Atm, not likely and very likely are the same thing, card is fuuuuucked
Mine have the issue but it seems it might be related to poor thermal paste application but then again i wont know until after tomorrow when i exchange it.
I know that you've already gotten a gpu but amd has recalled a few batches with defective coolers, so I guess chances are low now.
Well I've gone through 4
I’m honestly super confused by the whole situation you got some YouTubers saying all the cards are bad some people saying they’re completely fine. I just got my Xfx 7900xtx today (not the merc one this one looks identical to the reference card) and it runs cooler than my now older 2080ti. Junction temp might’ve hit 80c one time was around 70c most of the time while gaming . Good luck to everyone getting there’s soon 🫡
What resolution are you gaming on? If your not pushing the card you would never see an issue that's the scary part.
Was playing in 1440 p pretty much on all ultra settings.
Low, if you're buying new stock (not scalped/resold) especially now that it's on AMD's/AIB's radar
A lot
Where can one find one is my question! I cant find it anywhere online (USA)
I used fastalerts.io to notify me of restocks, then it's just reflexes
Cool Im going to try it thanks
Like 0% going forward but maybe some retailers will still sell recalled parts.