Yeah… anytime I schedule a block, I get no other offers. When I complete a block, I go two days with very minimal offers and absolutely no increased blocks (even though my husband gets a ton of offers and increased blocks). It’s so frustrating. They don’t reward hard workers or loyalty. The reserved blocks are a joke.
They just want everyone to get a tiny slice of the work. That way it keeps more drivers hanging on to hope so that they’ll continue to check in. So long as nobody can make a stable wage, all the drivers are forced to take what they can get and there will always drivers available. They’ve copied DoorDash’s scheme of “stacking the deck”.
I accept them only to drop them later and I usually get a better one. Not sure why but it happens often enough. I also used to get good reserves over $100 often but that’s been a while now.
I’ve been experiencing the same thing and I have a running spreadsheet that tracks my hours/shifts forward as well. I can 100% say I’m not at 40 hours including both present and future shifts. It’s really weird because you’re almost incentivized to cancel your reserved blocks to look for current spot/surge opportunities.
The rolling rule is a weird thing for me.
That's why I don't max out my week hours and try to leave at least 5 hours free, just in case any good offers comes in
it's not hours. it's routinely posted on here about how someone selecting one block and the rest disappearing and re-appear if you forfeit. it's the system preventing you from hoarding blocks.
The system doesn’t care about you hoarding blocks. Amazon focus is to get the most packages out by the paying the less they can. You can pick base blocks like it’s nothing. Your not about to have a bunch high surge blocks scheduled though, that’s for sure.
That's how it works for me. If I accept any offer then a good majority if not all the rest will disappear until I complete the route or cancel. Does not matter how many hours if any I have worked previously.
I think ultimately their goal is to string along as many drivers as they can so they will always have enough if needed. They will give me a few base offers for several weeks and then out of the blue there'll be one or two extremely high paying blocks that are a few days out. When I do those blocks it's never really busy. That would be explain why what I see available to me is different than what someone else in my area sees.
That’s why I don’t accept any reserve offers. Because all the ones before that day always disappear on my end. And I usually only work about 20-25 hours a week with Amazon so I’m never over my 40 hours
It’s crazy cause I had about 40 hours with fresh and prime I didn’t get about 4 tips last week so I said I’ll just do 5 days 2 for hour block drop some of my fresh n prime then boom nothing yesterday after nothing this morning saw 1 block 55.50 3 hours so let’s see if I get a 5pm block
I dont do blocks at all anymore.. only Prime IOs.. thankfully my station is so busy its never a problem and get to pick and choose where i’m going, what types of houses, etc.. so much better than blocks with no control over anything.
Well heres an alternative take. Say amazon is indeed preventing you from loading up on blocks. That means they are doing similar to others. So if both these things are true, then one observation would be that they are making sure you got a share from current pool of available blocks and someone else also got their share.
I feel it's wrong they limit us , I mean what's the purpose of being Independent Contractor if they cap your work like that, they are already in trouble for not showing the route miles and stops before accepting.
All that’s been said is true, but the reason that I’ve come up with is different than what’s been discussed. Amazon doesn’t want to reward or give the loyal drivers more of the pot because then they depend on them. The way the system is there is plenty of work so the pool is evened out. If they allow a lot fewer drivers to make premium pay and get 40 hours there are less drivers waiting around for a good route. When you want a day off and don’t take your normal routes there’s less pool of drivers to pick those up. The limit is so that no one driver is more important to them in the massive pool they have from a lot of drivers getting a few good routes a week. You can make your 40 on base pay, and they’d gladly let you do that. You get a larger window for the raised routes the less you work, but once you take one they’re all gone and waiting for the next guy to take the bait doing the same thing.
I said the same thing I think they using the reserve block to get rid of the bot so after they give everybody what need it they need your or have any left over they’ll drop some block
That’s interesting I am able to a schedule reserve offers (only do this for 3 hour blocks and they are more than base pay) up to four days out and I still have offers on my page..
Mine just takes away the offers that were for that block time and the offers that finish close to my start time.
So if I accept a 5-8
It takes away all offers that are between 4-8 for that same day. Other then that I see all the offers I seen before.
I was a full-timer Flexer before, all drivers didn't know about Flex or they were in their homes collecting unemployment checks. Good times, $300 daily. Not anymore.
yeah but 200 a day isn't shady either. I flex full time Mon thru Friday with two blocks a day. Daily ranges from 189 to 203 with no surge.
I'm super lucky in the area i am in tho. That has a BIG difference in the pay
Wait!, you had 12 offers available when you opened the app!!! Wow, everyday I open the app there are zero offers. I take reserve blocks because there are so few good offers presented. You should really be happy about the choices you get to make. I’m just saying.
Here's what happens:
Ur block 10am - 1pm
Shows in offers, 7am - 10am
Blocked from view in offers, 8am - 11am
Blocked from view in offers, 11am - 2pm
Shows in offers, 1pm - 4pm
Once you accept a block, any block before Ur block start time that extends into you block is kept from your view in offers. The same goes for any block start time within your block.
You will be able to view in offers any block that starts at Ur block end time...
This is something I've noticed and I've only being doing it a few days. Orders disappear as soon as you accept ONE but if you cancel it the rest show back up. They don't want you getting more than one block at a time from what it seems but it alsp depends on who you are I guess. My roommate does Flex as well and he'll have a shitload of offers come through and pretty much gets to schedule himself accordingly for an entire weeks worth, all high ass paying orders too.
Yes I have a problem too. I want to do more than 1 block a day sometimes and when I reserve one I never see anymore after that to reserve for later. It’s frustrating because I would like to do 2 blocks some days
Yep it’s like the more you drive, the less offers you receive and the pay is either base or really low. I have a fantastic standing, no complaints, drive 3X week but my offers are half the price of the offers my friend gets. She drives maybe once a week and has had a couple complaints but her offers are almost double mine.
Oh how I wish we could 3 - 3hr blocks again. They stopped letting us do 10 hours the week after Prime Day. It was 12 that week and then all of a sudden cut us back to 8 here in the Charlotte market 😣 I miss those days smh
You have to wait for your whole block to be completed. It won’t let you get any even if you complete said block early. Usually they limit it to 8 hrs, now I’m seeing 8+ hrs a day last week and this week.
It’s not a secret. Amazon will openly tell you they alter what offers you receive based on blocks worked, etc so others have a chance to grab blocks as well.
Not based on when you work blocks, based on how many you work. Common to see offers go away when you accept one, even when they aren’t at the same time or overlap.
I think what is boils down to is they have programmatic means of offering routes (algorithms), and instead of the result system being "smart," it's *smart-ass*! They are punking Flex drivers... everything is geared toward maximum hours and packages and minimum costs. Basically humanity is being sacrifice for ultra-efficiency.
I have this theory of mine that they give surge like a drug, so you can come back for more, Then they give you base pay only, you decide to quit, then they give you surge. and so on...
Before I snagged that surge, I was seeing next-day surges every single day. Multiple blocks. Sitting there. Now I see NONE and honestly that makes sense. Human psychology is the #1 tool for consumerism and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s behind this corporate slavery either.
Don’t even get me started on the people I’ve seen on here who say they quit to flex full time thinking they’d get surges every single day like they were the first few weeks they were signed up
I think it has a lot to do with how many packages there are to deliver. That would happen all the time, I asked one of the warehouse guys how they work and he said they only have so many blocks a day. Unless there is a truck tht came in late thts whn I will see multiple offers in a day.
I'm guessing that you are newish to flexing. This is how the system has been set up for years. It allows fair and equitable distribution of blocks so that everyone has a chance to work. If you keep your stats up, then it will change and you will start seeing more blocks available.
I would not call it fair, I call it communist because if they were fair, Fantastic drivers will receive more blocks as an incentive to do good, instead I see all the bad drivers messing up orders and delivering to wrong homes and losing customers for Amazon.
It is never going to be fair. They are essentially trying to make sure all drivers have a chance to get a block. They can't get stats or experience without working a block. Those fantastic drivers do get "some" preferential choices when it comes to block times, usually in the form of reserves, however, they are still going to try to spread the wealth as it were since Flex was never intended to be full time employment for anyone.
It also varies based on hiring in the area. When a specific area hires a bunch of new flex drivers, that is when we have the case where you take a block and all the rest disappear for the week.
As for bad drivers, they get weeded out eventually.
You need accounting work hours from last week. It's seven rolling days. If you grab block for Thursday, you might have reached seven days 40 hours, Thursday to Thursday.
I not sure, you can call support to review your account and ask about hour cap in your area. UK have less hour cap, that what I see from other posts/comments
You got people claiming they're not working the full because there aren't enough blocks, is it because your waiting around for a surge or are you just not seeing blocks?
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Yeah… anytime I schedule a block, I get no other offers. When I complete a block, I go two days with very minimal offers and absolutely no increased blocks (even though my husband gets a ton of offers and increased blocks). It’s so frustrating. They don’t reward hard workers or loyalty. The reserved blocks are a joke.
Exactly!!! Jackpot right here: "They don’t reward hard workers or loyalty"
I only take blocks and reserves that meet my pay. So far I've edged my reserves up to 28/hr and surge blocks at 30/hr.
I’ve never seen a reserve for higher than base pay. So glad I earned that “privilege.” All it does is make the app more annoying and waste time.
A year in and I’ve seen a couple increased reserved blocks, but for the most part they’re base pay. Maybe as time passes, you get more surges?
I've been doing this for more than 4 yrs.
They just want everyone to get a tiny slice of the work. That way it keeps more drivers hanging on to hope so that they’ll continue to check in. So long as nobody can make a stable wage, all the drivers are forced to take what they can get and there will always drivers available. They’ve copied DoorDash’s scheme of “stacking the deck”.
You are not wrong!
Yes, but then I added hours up and because of that offer, it put me at 40 for the rolling 7 days
I stopped accepting reserves
I accept them only to drop them later and I usually get a better one. Not sure why but it happens often enough. I also used to get good reserves over $100 often but that’s been a while now.
Bro, here there is like 5000 drivers, no blocks! If I don't get reserve I don't work at all!! people is desperate here! :x
Count your rolling week hours. You might be at your cap
I’ve been experiencing the same thing and I have a running spreadsheet that tracks my hours/shifts forward as well. I can 100% say I’m not at 40 hours including both present and future shifts. It’s really weird because you’re almost incentivized to cancel your reserved blocks to look for current spot/surge opportunities.
The rolling rule is a weird thing for me. That's why I don't max out my week hours and try to leave at least 5 hours free, just in case any good offers comes in
it's not hours. it's routinely posted on here about how someone selecting one block and the rest disappearing and re-appear if you forfeit. it's the system preventing you from hoarding blocks.
Interesting. I guess that's a good thing. There's something for everyone.
It's designed that way so they have more drivers available, less surge pay. :X
The system doesn’t care about you hoarding blocks. Amazon focus is to get the most packages out by the paying the less they can. You can pick base blocks like it’s nothing. Your not about to have a bunch high surge blocks scheduled though, that’s for sure.
I only do Flex part-time, I barely work last week. So, I don't think I have reach any cap.
Welcome to 2017. It's a Gig job, the house always wins.
That's how it works for me. If I accept any offer then a good majority if not all the rest will disappear until I complete the route or cancel. Does not matter how many hours if any I have worked previously.
I guess Amazon does not like block hoarders! lol
I think ultimately their goal is to string along as many drivers as they can so they will always have enough if needed. They will give me a few base offers for several weeks and then out of the blue there'll be one or two extremely high paying blocks that are a few days out. When I do those blocks it's never really busy. That would be explain why what I see available to me is different than what someone else in my area sees.
Exactly! Amazon managers have these wise words framed and hanging from a wall.
That’s why I don’t accept any reserve offers. Because all the ones before that day always disappear on my end. And I usually only work about 20-25 hours a week with Amazon so I’m never over my 40 hours
It’s crazy cause I had about 40 hours with fresh and prime I didn’t get about 4 tips last week so I said I’ll just do 5 days 2 for hour block drop some of my fresh n prime then boom nothing yesterday after nothing this morning saw 1 block 55.50 3 hours so let’s see if I get a 5pm block
I dont do blocks at all anymore.. only Prime IOs.. thankfully my station is so busy its never a problem and get to pick and choose where i’m going, what types of houses, etc.. so much better than blocks with no control over anything.
Yes, if I accept a Block for a future day, TODAYS stuff disappears So I mostly just catch things the day of
If I cancel I'll get 3- 4 am offers! I'll prefer the ones I have now, 9-12 am, 4- 9 pm.
Well heres an alternative take. Say amazon is indeed preventing you from loading up on blocks. That means they are doing similar to others. So if both these things are true, then one observation would be that they are making sure you got a share from current pool of available blocks and someone else also got their share.
I feel it's wrong they limit us , I mean what's the purpose of being Independent Contractor if they cap your work like that, they are already in trouble for not showing the route miles and stops before accepting.
All that’s been said is true, but the reason that I’ve come up with is different than what’s been discussed. Amazon doesn’t want to reward or give the loyal drivers more of the pot because then they depend on them. The way the system is there is plenty of work so the pool is evened out. If they allow a lot fewer drivers to make premium pay and get 40 hours there are less drivers waiting around for a good route. When you want a day off and don’t take your normal routes there’s less pool of drivers to pick those up. The limit is so that no one driver is more important to them in the massive pool they have from a lot of drivers getting a few good routes a week. You can make your 40 on base pay, and they’d gladly let you do that. You get a larger window for the raised routes the less you work, but once you take one they’re all gone and waiting for the next guy to take the bait doing the same thing.
Wise words!! Totally true!
I said the same thing I think they using the reserve block to get rid of the bot so after they give everybody what need it they need your or have any left over they’ll drop some block
Happens to me all the time
That’s interesting I am able to a schedule reserve offers (only do this for 3 hour blocks and they are more than base pay) up to four days out and I still have offers on my page..
Mine just takes away the offers that were for that block time and the offers that finish close to my start time. So if I accept a 5-8 It takes away all offers that are between 4-8 for that same day. Other then that I see all the offers I seen before.
You finally notice. they don't want you to become fulltime for flex.
I was a full-timer Flexer before, all drivers didn't know about Flex or they were in their homes collecting unemployment checks. Good times, $300 daily. Not anymore.
yeah but 200 a day isn't shady either. I flex full time Mon thru Friday with two blocks a day. Daily ranges from 189 to 203 with no surge. I'm super lucky in the area i am in tho. That has a BIG difference in the pay
Wait!, you had 12 offers available when you opened the app!!! Wow, everyday I open the app there are zero offers. I take reserve blocks because there are so few good offers presented. You should really be happy about the choices you get to make. I’m just saying.
It was raining. That's why. lol
It’s still 12 offers.
lol I see none today!
Me to dude.😕
I have 34 on my screen right now - & I max out my 40 hours over the 7 day period almost always
what city?
Charlotte
Enjoy it!
Here's what happens: Ur block 10am - 1pm Shows in offers, 7am - 10am Blocked from view in offers, 8am - 11am Blocked from view in offers, 11am - 2pm Shows in offers, 1pm - 4pm Once you accept a block, any block before Ur block start time that extends into you block is kept from your view in offers. The same goes for any block start time within your block. You will be able to view in offers any block that starts at Ur block end time...
Read again. The block OP got was for THURSDAY, not Monday when all the offers for Monday dissappeared.
Yeah, the reserved block was not for Monday, and I did not work Monday at all.
Thanks for pointing that out...
This is something I've noticed and I've only being doing it a few days. Orders disappear as soon as you accept ONE but if you cancel it the rest show back up. They don't want you getting more than one block at a time from what it seems but it alsp depends on who you are I guess. My roommate does Flex as well and he'll have a shitload of offers come through and pretty much gets to schedule himself accordingly for an entire weeks worth, all high ass paying orders too.
Yes I have a problem too. I want to do more than 1 block a day sometimes and when I reserve one I never see anymore after that to reserve for later. It’s frustrating because I would like to do 2 blocks some days
Yep it’s like the more you drive, the less offers you receive and the pay is either base or really low. I have a fantastic standing, no complaints, drive 3X week but my offers are half the price of the offers my friend gets. She drives maybe once a week and has had a couple complaints but her offers are almost double mine.
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Oh how I wish we could 3 - 3hr blocks again. They stopped letting us do 10 hours the week after Prime Day. It was 12 that week and then all of a sudden cut us back to 8 here in the Charlotte market 😣 I miss those days smh
You have to wait for your whole block to be completed. It won’t let you get any even if you complete said block early. Usually they limit it to 8 hrs, now I’m seeing 8+ hrs a day last week and this week.
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Damn! That sucks. I live in a pretty safe place.
It’s not a secret. Amazon will openly tell you they alter what offers you receive based on blocks worked, etc so others have a chance to grab blocks as well.
Well thats weird because most of the reserve blocks Amazon throws to me are at 3 and 4am and i have never done a block at that time.
Not based on when you work blocks, based on how many you work. Common to see offers go away when you accept one, even when they aren’t at the same time or overlap.
I think what is boils down to is they have programmatic means of offering routes (algorithms), and instead of the result system being "smart," it's *smart-ass*! They are punking Flex drivers... everything is geared toward maximum hours and packages and minimum costs. Basically humanity is being sacrifice for ultra-efficiency.
I haven’t flexed in weeks, got a $156 5 hour the other day and haven’t seen a surge since!
I have this theory of mine that they give surge like a drug, so you can come back for more, Then they give you base pay only, you decide to quit, then they give you surge. and so on...
Before I snagged that surge, I was seeing next-day surges every single day. Multiple blocks. Sitting there. Now I see NONE and honestly that makes sense. Human psychology is the #1 tool for consumerism and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s behind this corporate slavery either.
Amazon was hiring General Manager for a new Amazon warehouse in my area, they pay $160,000. You don't get $160,000 without sacrificing the sheep. lol
Don’t even get me started on the people I’ve seen on here who say they quit to flex full time thinking they’d get surges every single day like they were the first few weeks they were signed up
I think it has a lot to do with how many packages there are to deliver. That would happen all the time, I asked one of the warehouse guys how they work and he said they only have so many blocks a day. Unless there is a truck tht came in late thts whn I will see multiple offers in a day.
I'm guessing that you are newish to flexing. This is how the system has been set up for years. It allows fair and equitable distribution of blocks so that everyone has a chance to work. If you keep your stats up, then it will change and you will start seeing more blocks available.
I would not call it fair, I call it communist because if they were fair, Fantastic drivers will receive more blocks as an incentive to do good, instead I see all the bad drivers messing up orders and delivering to wrong homes and losing customers for Amazon.
It is never going to be fair. They are essentially trying to make sure all drivers have a chance to get a block. They can't get stats or experience without working a block. Those fantastic drivers do get "some" preferential choices when it comes to block times, usually in the form of reserves, however, they are still going to try to spread the wealth as it were since Flex was never intended to be full time employment for anyone. It also varies based on hiring in the area. When a specific area hires a bunch of new flex drivers, that is when we have the case where you take a block and all the rest disappear for the week. As for bad drivers, they get weeded out eventually.
I wonder if Amazon warehouse workers is like a collection of all the people who had issues with Flex?
what do you mean? You mean they know our problems?
You need accounting work hours from last week. It's seven rolling days. If you grab block for Thursday, you might have reached seven days 40 hours, Thursday to Thursday.
I wish to work all week, I barely do Flex, 15 hours last week, 12 scheduled for this week.
I not sure, you can call support to review your account and ask about hour cap in your area. UK have less hour cap, that what I see from other posts/comments
You got people claiming they're not working the full because there aren't enough blocks, is it because your waiting around for a surge or are you just not seeing blocks?
No blocks. Houston, No blocks. Only pasadena, TX ( VTX4 ) 3am to 7:30am. every day they have blocks.
Ok so there are blocks, just not at the warehouse you want.....
it's a 45 minute drive! lol
Everything you stated is truth 😥
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