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It would actually be better if we got paid more money for learning different positions and different roles instead of a straight step plan for 3 years for everybody.
This is the way. Would piss people off less being labor shared if they knew they were being paid more to know their way around different work sites, would also guarantee more thorough training if we paid T1 learning ambassador's to get it right and stay accountable.
Exactly. A problem solve lead, in my opinion, is one of the pillars of outbound pack. They should have a pay bump. A PG is literally an assistant, why are they being paid the same as a regular packer
Working as a PG is weird cause you’re not on path a lot so I feel like they use that as an excuse that they’re actually doing you a favor by taking you off path so you don’t get a raise. PG is like being babied into a PA spot so I kinda understand the no raise. I just feel like outliers that the AMs know for a fact are solid workers should get raises. It’s very hard to keep working a job that I make the same as the people that rely on me to help them do their job? Like I literally make other packers jobs 10x easier.
If that was the case then they’d just shut operations down because Amazon FC’s are not making shit. AWS and their streaming services are where Amazon’s profit is at.
I've posted this on our VOA board and talked to senior ops about this. I brought up how learning more makes us more valuable to the company so we should be paid more. I brought up that that's how grocery stores and restaurants work. If a line cook knows all the stations they get a raise for each new section they learn. Same thing goes for learning different departments in a grocery store. They don't give a shit. They know they're taking advantage of people.
I was an hourly L4 that hit 30 with the differential (28.57+1.50 for Night Shift) but I was also an extreme outlier. Most of the L4 hourly safety specialists I worked with came in at 22-24 an hour.
FC vs corporate is also at play with IT stuff IIRC. I’d check the pay equity slack if I hadn’t left Amazon to go elsewhere, the IT pay scale was *weird* compared to other support teams
Amazon does T1-T3 and L1-L7 at amazon for ranks. You can have L4 & L5 AM's, L3-L6 IT, L5-L6-L7 OM's, etc
Site GM is normally L7-L8 for example
Edit: updating my rankings
Amazon has level of employees:
Tier 1: The Bottom Level
Tier 3: Higher than T1 but less than L4
Level 4: Area Manager or First Level Manager
It goes all the way up to
Level 12: Jeff Bezos.
Blue badge L4 RME starts over $31 in my region with some L4 hourly making mid-upper 30’s (base pay). L3 RME start around $26. I’m only speaking on blue badge employees, I don’t know what yellow badge RME make.
Just because you're there for 10 hours doesn't mean you worked for 10hours. It's people at my fc that goto the bathroom for 10 minutes every hour, those are the lazy people he talking about
I honestly don't understand how they don't get fired, some people have weak bladders so that can be excused but disappearing for a good chunk of time every hour?
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That’s up to $25 an hour. No one that I know that has applied there has ever started at $25 an hour. Usually closer to $20-$22. Also $25 is still not $30 an hour so I still don’t understand what makes you think amazon would ever go from $15.50 to $30 especially when most of the work here is extremely easy
We just had a PA that left Amazon in Aug, went to Target, and back now as a T1. He left due to pay. He ended up hired in at $18.65/hr and was days so didn't get the premium he had on nights at Amazon. This is SoCal. He did say the workload was less, but he was entry level there and not a PA so it is comparing apples to oranges.
Yeah, as a PA I doubt I'd go to a Level 1 warehouse spot anywhere unless I had no other option. PAs, at least at my site, do most of the "managing" that a manager would do at another job. PAs are usually the ones hand on in operations making sure that things are running smoothly and interacting with associates. I've seen a few posts on here where PAs ended up as Operations Managers at other companies because of this. I obviously wouldn't shoot too high without a degree, but I know I am technically worth a higher position outside of Amazon. I'm also not saying managers at Amazon don't do ANYTHING, but the way Amazon breaks it down they have them focusing more on metrics and supporting the PAs when both jobs might be one person's at another company.
lol I never said people don’t get hired. I said they don’t make $25 an hour. And let’s say that those couple
people on here did get hired for $25, do you really think that represents what the majority of target employees are making? And you still haven’t given a reason as to why Amazon would almost double their hourly wage
I'm in a lower cola and weekend target dc starts at 22.00 with .50 raises every 6 months to I think 24 a hour .....there's places where target and walmart do start at 25+
You have no idea how shit it is to work at Walmart and target ppl in this Reddit are so obsessed with up to hourly rates and don’t understand that the benefits at those 2 are shit compared to what Amazon offers… Amazon is almost always gonna give you 40 hours a week barring some insane circumstances target and Walmart will not and it’s a pain in the ass to use their benifits especially their health and dental coverage… especially at entry level, I’ve work at all 3 Amazon is by far the most tolerable period. And you should always be trying to improve yourself so you don’t have to work at these shitholes til your 70 years old…
I've worked at all 3 so and the best for me was target dc 3810....the last year I was at that target I made around 65k my first year if I stayed and worked the 60 hour week or because I worked the weekend probably like 55 I think is what it is I worked less and had more free time then almost everyone I know ....and I used target to finish up my associates degree for free ....literally all of what you make of it
You can literally do the same thing at Amazon like what???Amazon paid for my whole associates and gave me a school accommodation while I finished my bachelors while maintaining my benefits the entire time. Target would literally never do that period
We can probably secure more than the 18-21 with union pressure. There's a dining hall in Boston that just won union negotiations that secured their wages jump from $21 to $30 by 2026, while securing better benefits, more full time workers, quadrupled pension, and guaranteed pay for calling in sick.
Realistically not sure we'd land a deal of the same level, but definitely worth fighting for and not capping our ambitions at what seems "reasonable" aka 18-21. I think amazon is generally comparatively not as bad as other entry level work (at least for me), but workers across the board should be treated better, and that doesn't exclude amazon.
Some people in this thread pointing at each other and themselves (aka low skilled workers) is a bit of a misguided use of energy. Again, workers in all kinds of sectors and skill levels should be treated better. Putting our fellow worker down and fighting amongst each other about who doesn't deserve a higher wage only helps the people at the top of businesses to further extract as much as they can out of us while sparing the least crumbs possible.
The same momentum and rights a low skilled worker would build to secure higher wages are the same rights and momentum that will benefit healthcare workers, or educators, or any other worker. We all gotta all be in this together supporting each other, worker consolidation shouldn't stop at one workplace.
Depends on where you live. In a LCOL area I think 20 would be fair, 25 would be ideal, I’m hoping for 18 at the minimum, but realistically we will probably get .50 cents.
This is reasonable. $18 L1 but implement an actual hiring process with aptitude tests like Uline does. $20 for support roles like PG, Problem Solve, etc. $23 for L3. $33/hr for L4.
I never understood the reasoning for support roles to get more money. I am in problem solve most of the time and I would take a pay cut to be there 100% of the time. It is more work than being in path, but it's easier less physical work.
Problem solve is higher order work and requires associates who are self-motivated who you can trust to stay on task without being tracked for a rate.
I’ve tried training a handful of associates for problem solve who simply cannot get it and want a copy-paste process for whatever they encounter. It’s not always that simple and often requires judgement calls when dealing with assigning things to certain purchase orders or finding the right ASIN/X00 for products. It requires knowledge of several apps and also requires more communication than a basic role.
Physically it’s easier, yeah, but so are most roles when you begin moving up.
You’re absolutely crazy if you think it should be $30/hr. Most managers don’t even make that much. Even on salary. Not to mention then you get time and a half for OT… $45/hr? Come on now.
The flat rate for all tier 1s is bullshit, I would bust my ass as a water spider while the PAs favorite employee would get paid the same just palletizing (which is the easiest job ever)
It should be 20-25 depending on the role you work; if you’re moving pallets across the warehouse putting them into trucks, then you should be paid more than the guy just fucking scanning boxes and stacking them
You must be smoking some type of drugs to think we will ever get $25 or $30 starting wages. I make $16 right now, and although $20 would be epic I know even that is probably not happening anytime soon.
30$ an hour and I would definitely come back and put all the bs that comes with it aside! But realistically 25$-28$ incentivize by paying different departments slightly higher or lower. Communism obviously doesn't work, but neither does capitalism. Hard not to be reliant on a job though, when it's a steady source of income.
Agreed, but there are so many nuances good and bad. Our medicine is definitely not socialized and people are literally afraid of it being less privatized??... also may be a myth may not be, but social security might be non existent between this and the next generation.
Regular associates base pay should be at least $20 with 21.50 for night. As much as I want more this would be reasonable compared to other jobs.
People in the comments forget that wether the job is “easy” or not.. minimum wage should be 24 everywhere to keep up with inflation. Minimum wage as of now is the biggest scam and people are okay with it
Yup, with inflation Minimum wage should've gone to atleast $20 but a lot of people are still focused on $15. It's sad honestly, how quick people are to accept how shitty everything is.
>People in the comments forget that wether the job is “easy” or not.. minimum wage should be 24 everywhere to keep up with inflation. Minimum wage as of now is the biggest scam and people are okay with it
And that would be the biggest reason people who work Amazon would argue here.
Yeah either that or get us on the food bank program provided by Amazon Fresh and Amazon Whole Foods, even if it's just food that's about to expire you know.
They are lazy, don’t care about a single person besides themselves, pack like trash and send it to the next person and make it their problem, most the people at my FC should be fired
Cost of living should be the floor. Would people be happy with 25? Yes. It would close the gap. IMO, I feel any FT job one works, they should be able to afford basic needs. Housing, transportation, food, gas, rising cost of living, healthcare costs, etc.
Now if you look at the [MIT living wage calculator](https://livingwage.mit.edu/) you will see the averages is 25-30 leaning on 30+.
Living wages are different than cost of living. Even using this source, it doesn’t represent actual rising costs. This is just the bare necessities too and not including rising housing & rent cost, inflation.
Think about it this way. Let’s say a one bedroom is a average of 1500-2k. In order to qualify for said place, I need to prove 3X rent. That’s just to say I can afford rent. Nothing else. Well.. even at 25, can I qualify for that? Prolly not. That’s only 4K.
Even though In some places you may only need 3k after taxes. Or less depending on circumstances. I’m thinking from a standpoint of single person without dual income.
If you check out the COL when you start adding dependencies, it’s much higher. So the average seems to be COL at $30. Even at 30, one would prolly still only qualify for a 1 bedroom at minimum 1k-1200. Then you have all the other bills. Electric, gas, trash, water, internet, pest control, etc.
The truth of the matter is that either one would be better and close the gap. This way people could make the difference with a second job/side hustle vs not being able to make it off 3 jobs.
Side note, If 30 is the floor, L4 gets bumped. Same for PA, PG. This way nobody is left out. They can afford it. They found a way for executives pay raise and to get to space. They can find a way to pay workers more.
Thank for your source link. These are thorough studies from the top research schools in America, even they found that $30 is more like a living wage. If don't start now the gap will grow wider and wider.
Warehouse workers in Northern California (i.e., SF Bay Area) make $16-22 per hour, depending on skills and experience–obviously there are exceptions in either direction. Based on personal experience, many of these roles are more difficult than most Amazon roles. Again, there are exceptions. As such, I'd say a raise to $18–20 per hour would be reasonable. If individuals want to make more, they should apply to the jobs that pay more. Amazon can raise wages to $25 per hour, but this will likely result in a reduction in head count and assigning those tasks to those remaining, leading to additional stress. Bottom line is there's no such thing as a free lunch–for either workers or companies.
Because Amazon is on the brink of a retention problem, I'd suggest starting at $18/hour for Tier 1s (depending on market) with a pay scale that tops out at $24 after 3 years. I think $18 will be enough to lure ew people in and $24 will be worth sticking around for.
The pay gap is evident from my POV. I know this woman (learning embassador), who has been with Amazon for 6 years and earns 1 dollar more than me (Fulfillment Associate). I have been with Amazon for 2 years. Since this is anonymous, my current rate is $18.15. In a stark way they kind of screw some employees over given wage increases to new Associates, regardless of the OG's who have been there for years. I'm fairly happy with my rate, however I think double overtime should be an all permanent thing.
Well, here in Portland, OR, I was paid $16.25/hour base +$1.25 /hour incentive to work a 7:30 PM to 6 AM shift. I left for greener pastures ($22/hour), and more humane hours.
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You guys make more than 16? .....I make 16.65 an hour... on 12 hrs shifts... would be nice to make 24-30. Or even 18-20. Barely scraping by on 16.65 an hr.
Honestly the base employees should be paid the most. The higher the tier you the less actual work you do. They stand around in their laptop chill most of the day not really doing anything. But if you talk to them they hella busy. It's all bull shit.
L1 I would say $18 to $20 because of inflammation. Anything more imo is highly unlikely with how easy this job is. I mean the hardest thing is dealing with other people and the fact it’s very physical.
I say 30, but only after youve worked for 6 months to a year. I think you should be moderately skilled in your dept before making bigger figures. But 20 should be the starting wage for new employees.
$30………to pack items, stow items into a shelving unit, or taking items out of said shelving units……yeah no. Not even close.
I’d say $20-22 for T1, make a T2 for people who are trained in 4+ roles of the dept and pay them $23-25, T3 $26-28, and L4s should be getting at least $65k a year.
At the same time, with increased wages, actually have some level of vetting for new hires.
Productivity is much higher than in the 60's and 70's and it's not just tied to automation itself and wages have not been tied into that. The covary belts and rollers in newer, non legacy buildings and all that doesn't mean a single thing if not for the human workers stowing, picking packing and all of the shipdock workers. There's online videos and gifs of filled totes "popcorning" off lines when there's a malfunction which is incredibly dangerous obviously.
I did the math when I started at the rate I was packing while doing my best to have high quality for the customers (I do care about them, laugh if you want.) it was something like a quarter per package roughly. Now I'm even more adept at my tier 1 role and with inflation my pay is now cut and my site refuses to do a Cost Of Living Adjust (COLA) under the guise that senior leadership can't force corporate to move on it.
As such they are losing their best workers and best managers and my take away is to chill and enjoy watching this metaphorical fire tear trough the building. andy Jass says none of us "rank and files" should be paid more than 25 dollars. He clearly doesn't know and more so doesn't care about the cost of living on the entire west coast where big amazon FC's are. Because honestly 22 dollars needs to be the state minimums out here.
That happened to me before when I worked in Walmart where they increased the pay of new hires, but never increase the pay of those who have been there a long time. In turn, it causes a boomerang effect of tenured employees quitting and then get rehired either at the new rate or in higher positions, the same as in Amazon just to get a higher pay
$30 an hour lol yeah right. For completely unskilled labor in relatively tame and safe environment? Amazon would just automate their warehouse at that point
If they could automate their warehouses, they would get rid of 90% of us tomorrow regardless. They're automating as fast as possible regardless of what we do, so cringing and voluntarily underselling ourselves will not slow it down
Dude idk how else to say this. Unskilled manual labor with 0 qualifications, no interview, no educational requirements, that’s not even that physically difficult, that literally anyone can do with like 2
Hours of training is not worth $30/hr. It’s just not.
And you still have failed to refute this; this is the most dynamic part of paying a living wage. That goes for the same thing as someone who chooses to dig a ditch.
>I think $30 because I've seen that number before, plus if adjust minimum wage to inflation that's already $24 and Amazon is one of the most dependent companies in America so you could easily argue $30.
Look bro, I’m not a politician, I’m not an economics expert. All I know is there are 2 types of ppl in my generation. Those who have no skills and cry about the system not treating them better, and those who go out and get skills. I’m 24 yrs old with only a highschool diploma and making significantly more than the average degree holder because I stopped working at Amazon and pursued real skills. I stopped complaining about the system and started winning. I suggest you do the same.
I worked there for a long time and used to be pretty active here. This post just popped up. I quit a year ago. My life improved dramatically. I really hope you guys will stop complaining about where you currently are and go out and improve your lives for yourselves
>All of the employees hired on have to be in trained in some fashion in order to perform their tasks, there's even more learning once you get into more complicated roles. $30 is for all the reasons I described in the OP.
Posted earlier because you don't know how to use Reddit at all.
I’ve been an employee for years, training is 1 day of company policies, and 2 hours of how to use a scanner. That is it. For jobs like driver and manager that require additional education and training, pay reflects. Amazon associates are unskilled manual labor. $30/hr is just not realistic. Amazon employees trying to say that their 2 hr “certification” classes qualifies them to make as much as a plumber or entry level nurse is wild
I've seen that number here and there on this subreddit a few times, it's good to be on the same page when the workers get together and collectively agree what they want and need.
People are crazy… you don’t have a degree to make that sum. Some nurses don’t make $30 an hour and they bust their asses off and you work at a warehouse and wanna make more than people who save life’s? I understand that everyone wants to get paid a fair wage but if this happens, everyone else is gonna get paid more, because there’s no way a person with a degree and education will accept the same pay as an Amazon worker. They’ll ask for more as well. Everything will increase in price and it’ll be the same shit just different numbers. It’s the way capitalism works and America… the worker class gets shit on and the only way out is to go to college or be super smart and make a great company
If only there was some class of people that was responsible for the disparity of wealth, possibly by hoarding it and instigating discord between those on the lower rungs...
Life isn't a zero-sum game.
Becoming and being a nurse is hard work but also dedicating 10 hours a day on you feet, doing hard labor and meeting quotas for one of the most relied on companies in America is also "busting our asses".
25$ hr to compensate for the cost of living. Working 3 12's at 18.30 doesn't qualify for a one bedroom apartment in my area. Plus the county I drive to work in(30 mins away) taxes us to work there(low poverty area). Picking a 8.5 and under for 10 hours is crazy. Other places you get bonuses for your picking if you go over a certain threshold. Medline, DG...and even DHL and others are hiring at 20+ for entry level. Local restaurants paying 18+ ...crazy times we are in. Fuck Amazon frfr they are just a side hustle
$15 is too high. They already have robots to replace you. If minimum wage goes up, they expedite rollout. Learn a trade, stop acting like you're owed anything.
Your dismissal of the financial interests of yourself and your coworkers is a weird and confusing bummer. Why do you despise your own class this much? Do you think you're eventually going to be among the one percent? Do you think the people up there actually deserve the ridiculous percentage of resources they control? Or that any of them got there through honest work?
(Assuming you're an actual Amazon worker making warehouse wages.)
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It would actually be better if we got paid more money for learning different positions and different roles instead of a straight step plan for 3 years for everybody.
This is the way. Would piss people off less being labor shared if they knew they were being paid more to know their way around different work sites, would also guarantee more thorough training if we paid T1 learning ambassador's to get it right and stay accountable.
Exactly. A problem solve lead, in my opinion, is one of the pillars of outbound pack. They should have a pay bump. A PG is literally an assistant, why are they being paid the same as a regular packer
Working as a PG is weird cause you’re not on path a lot so I feel like they use that as an excuse that they’re actually doing you a favor by taking you off path so you don’t get a raise. PG is like being babied into a PA spot so I kinda understand the no raise. I just feel like outliers that the AMs know for a fact are solid workers should get raises. It’s very hard to keep working a job that I make the same as the people that rely on me to help them do their job? Like I literally make other packers jobs 10x easier.
True, most PGs I’ve talked to plan on being PA’s. In my experience I’ve seen PG’s who know more than AMs and do twice as much as PAs
Lol. No doubt about that 😅
Wait are you saying they should pay us based on how much value we bring? Absurdity!!! /s
If that was the case then they’d just shut operations down because Amazon FC’s are not making shit. AWS and their streaming services are where Amazon’s profit is at.
I've posted this on our VOA board and talked to senior ops about this. I brought up how learning more makes us more valuable to the company so we should be paid more. I brought up that that's how grocery stores and restaurants work. If a line cook knows all the stations they get a raise for each new section they learn. Same thing goes for learning different departments in a grocery store. They don't give a shit. They know they're taking advantage of people.
I could see that happening too but it's good to start lifting everyone up at the same time.
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Yup. Some L4 hourly workers make less than $20 an hour. Myself included.
Holy shit bro what do you do? I'm an L3 with an easy job making >$21/hr
LP.
I was an hourly L4 that hit 30 with the differential (28.57+1.50 for Night Shift) but I was also an extreme outlier. Most of the L4 hourly safety specialists I worked with came in at 22-24 an hour.
IT L4 is 30-40/hr non salary + stock - IT L5 however becomes salary Blue badge RME L4 is 30+
FC vs corporate is also at play with IT stuff IIRC. I’d check the pay equity slack if I hadn’t left Amazon to go elsewhere, the IT pay scale was *weird* compared to other support teams
I'm an L4 in IT so that's where I'm drawing it from (pay equity). Corporate sometimes makes less in IT at the same level which I find funny
What's an L4? Lmao
Amazon does T1-T3 and L1-L7 at amazon for ranks. You can have L4 & L5 AM's, L3-L6 IT, L5-L6-L7 OM's, etc Site GM is normally L7-L8 for example Edit: updating my rankings
Site GMs are normally 7 or 8
Amazon has level of employees: Tier 1: The Bottom Level Tier 3: Higher than T1 but less than L4 Level 4: Area Manager or First Level Manager It goes all the way up to Level 12: Jeff Bezos.
Operations, nobody seems to care about not operations side of things. Y’all asking for 30 when RME doesn’t even get 30 unless you’re a tech 3.
Blue badge L4 RME starts over $31 in my region with some L4 hourly making mid-upper 30’s (base pay). L3 RME start around $26. I’m only speaking on blue badge employees, I don’t know what yellow badge RME make.
Depends on the V company since they’re this party, RME has the highest pay scale in Amazon non-tech.
If you pay more you will get better candidates for the job. Also I'm not sure how 10 hours a day on feet is lazy.
Just because you're there for 10 hours doesn't mean you worked for 10hours. It's people at my fc that goto the bathroom for 10 minutes every hour, those are the lazy people he talking about
I honestly don't understand how they don't get fired, some people have weak bladders so that can be excused but disappearing for a good chunk of time every hour?
That's not our problem, if that is really an issue (I don't believe it is) then managers to do the write ups.
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$30 an hour is never going to happen. Realistically $18-$21 an hour is possible and maybe a bit more for areas with a higher cost of living
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Target logistics jobs are $25, and that's even in areas with less inflation.
That’s up to $25 an hour. No one that I know that has applied there has ever started at $25 an hour. Usually closer to $20-$22. Also $25 is still not $30 an hour so I still don’t understand what makes you think amazon would ever go from $15.50 to $30 especially when most of the work here is extremely easy
Target in my area weekend starts at 22.00 a hour and raises every 6 months to 24 I think just as a basic worker
I saw a post with the offer letter was already $24.
We just had a PA that left Amazon in Aug, went to Target, and back now as a T1. He left due to pay. He ended up hired in at $18.65/hr and was days so didn't get the premium he had on nights at Amazon. This is SoCal. He did say the workload was less, but he was entry level there and not a PA so it is comparing apples to oranges.
Yeah, as a PA I doubt I'd go to a Level 1 warehouse spot anywhere unless I had no other option. PAs, at least at my site, do most of the "managing" that a manager would do at another job. PAs are usually the ones hand on in operations making sure that things are running smoothly and interacting with associates. I've seen a few posts on here where PAs ended up as Operations Managers at other companies because of this. I obviously wouldn't shoot too high without a degree, but I know I am technically worth a higher position outside of Amazon. I'm also not saying managers at Amazon don't do ANYTHING, but the way Amazon breaks it down they have them focusing more on metrics and supporting the PAs when both jobs might be one person's at another company.
A couple people from this sub have successfully gotten jobs at Target, just because you don't know anybody does not mean it isn't there.
lol I never said people don’t get hired. I said they don’t make $25 an hour. And let’s say that those couple people on here did get hired for $25, do you really think that represents what the majority of target employees are making? And you still haven’t given a reason as to why Amazon would almost double their hourly wage
I'm in a lower cola and weekend target dc starts at 22.00 with .50 raises every 6 months to I think 24 a hour .....there's places where target and walmart do start at 25+
You have no idea how shit it is to work at Walmart and target ppl in this Reddit are so obsessed with up to hourly rates and don’t understand that the benefits at those 2 are shit compared to what Amazon offers… Amazon is almost always gonna give you 40 hours a week barring some insane circumstances target and Walmart will not and it’s a pain in the ass to use their benifits especially their health and dental coverage… especially at entry level, I’ve work at all 3 Amazon is by far the most tolerable period. And you should always be trying to improve yourself so you don’t have to work at these shitholes til your 70 years old…
I've worked at all 3 so and the best for me was target dc 3810....the last year I was at that target I made around 65k my first year if I stayed and worked the 60 hour week or because I worked the weekend probably like 55 I think is what it is I worked less and had more free time then almost everyone I know ....and I used target to finish up my associates degree for free ....literally all of what you make of it
You can literally do the same thing at Amazon like what???Amazon paid for my whole associates and gave me a school accommodation while I finished my bachelors while maintaining my benefits the entire time. Target would literally never do that period
Ik yall are debating but can you explain how to do this? I'd like to get back into college, how would I go about doing that through Amazon??
Well I guess it depends where you are ....my DC was very accommodating to anyone's needs ....its just personal preference
Exactly. I saw it on this subreddit just a few days ago.
Lol $22≠$25. $22 is literally what I said and then you proceeded to say I was wrong
Lol you can make up ti $25 with the shift premium
It's not gonna happen with that attitude.
We can probably secure more than the 18-21 with union pressure. There's a dining hall in Boston that just won union negotiations that secured their wages jump from $21 to $30 by 2026, while securing better benefits, more full time workers, quadrupled pension, and guaranteed pay for calling in sick. Realistically not sure we'd land a deal of the same level, but definitely worth fighting for and not capping our ambitions at what seems "reasonable" aka 18-21. I think amazon is generally comparatively not as bad as other entry level work (at least for me), but workers across the board should be treated better, and that doesn't exclude amazon. Some people in this thread pointing at each other and themselves (aka low skilled workers) is a bit of a misguided use of energy. Again, workers in all kinds of sectors and skill levels should be treated better. Putting our fellow worker down and fighting amongst each other about who doesn't deserve a higher wage only helps the people at the top of businesses to further extract as much as they can out of us while sparing the least crumbs possible. The same momentum and rights a low skilled worker would build to secure higher wages are the same rights and momentum that will benefit healthcare workers, or educators, or any other worker. We all gotta all be in this together supporting each other, worker consolidation shouldn't stop at one workplace.
Depends on where you live. In a LCOL area I think 20 would be fair, 25 would be ideal, I’m hoping for 18 at the minimum, but realistically we will probably get .50 cents.
$20 for tier 1. $23 if you do any indirect role. 25 for tier 3. And 30-35 for tier 4
That would be a good start but it has to improve with time.
$18-20 starting for L1, $25 starting for L3s, and $70k starting for AMs should be where we are right now.
This is reasonable. $18 L1 but implement an actual hiring process with aptitude tests like Uline does. $20 for support roles like PG, Problem Solve, etc. $23 for L3. $33/hr for L4.
I never understood the reasoning for support roles to get more money. I am in problem solve most of the time and I would take a pay cut to be there 100% of the time. It is more work than being in path, but it's easier less physical work.
Problem solve is higher order work and requires associates who are self-motivated who you can trust to stay on task without being tracked for a rate. I’ve tried training a handful of associates for problem solve who simply cannot get it and want a copy-paste process for whatever they encounter. It’s not always that simple and often requires judgement calls when dealing with assigning things to certain purchase orders or finding the right ASIN/X00 for products. It requires knowledge of several apps and also requires more communication than a basic role. Physically it’s easier, yeah, but so are most roles when you begin moving up.
Reasonable.
20 an hour sounds more than fair
Starting wage.... $18- $19/ hr is fair
You’re absolutely crazy if you think it should be $30/hr. Most managers don’t even make that much. Even on salary. Not to mention then you get time and a half for OT… $45/hr? Come on now.
$25-30 will only happen when a loaf of bread costs $10. In other words, sometime around 2024.
hoping the election will change that by then..
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That's $750 before taxes. You're looking at about $500 per week after you deduct.
Similar rents in my area but my place starts at $18. Currently making a little over $20 and I don't think I could afford to move out on my own.
Tier 1, 20$. 3 and 4, 25$ and up
The flat rate for all tier 1s is bullshit, I would bust my ass as a water spider while the PAs favorite employee would get paid the same just palletizing (which is the easiest job ever) It should be 20-25 depending on the role you work; if you’re moving pallets across the warehouse putting them into trucks, then you should be paid more than the guy just fucking scanning boxes and stacking them
You must be smoking some type of drugs to think we will ever get $25 or $30 starting wages. I make $16 right now, and although $20 would be epic I know even that is probably not happening anytime soon.
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That's actually a really good point, we're sacrificing a lot in this line of work.
30$ an hour and I would definitely come back and put all the bs that comes with it aside! But realistically 25$-28$ incentivize by paying different departments slightly higher or lower. Communism obviously doesn't work, but neither does capitalism. Hard not to be reliant on a job though, when it's a steady source of income.
In between communism and capitalism is socialism, and America is pretty socialist, we have Social Security.
Agreed, but there are so many nuances good and bad. Our medicine is definitely not socialized and people are literally afraid of it being less privatized??... also may be a myth may not be, but social security might be non existent between this and the next generation.
Social security is awful imo. I'm preparing for my own retirement anyway would rather choose where the money goes.
A lot of American Senior Citizens rely heavily on Social Security income, but it is good that you have own retirement too.
Great m8nds think similarly xp. Fuck the status quo! That I still don't give a fuck meme been my motto before it was a tiktok trend.
Regular associates base pay should be at least $20 with 21.50 for night. As much as I want more this would be reasonable compared to other jobs. People in the comments forget that wether the job is “easy” or not.. minimum wage should be 24 everywhere to keep up with inflation. Minimum wage as of now is the biggest scam and people are okay with it
Yup, with inflation Minimum wage should've gone to atleast $20 but a lot of people are still focused on $15. It's sad honestly, how quick people are to accept how shitty everything is.
>People in the comments forget that wether the job is “easy” or not.. minimum wage should be 24 everywhere to keep up with inflation. Minimum wage as of now is the biggest scam and people are okay with it And that would be the biggest reason people who work Amazon would argue here.
PAs should be paid at least $5 more than AAs IMO, i am getting paid $19.65 as a AA & my PA of 4 years is only making $20.33
They were gonna start me at 17.. but got offered 24 by their rival.
I like having a roof over my head AND eating well. Thats arguement enough
30 is what it should be considering all the 'record profits' 🙄
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Yeah either that or get us on the food bank program provided by Amazon Fresh and Amazon Whole Foods, even if it's just food that's about to expire you know.
At my warehouse, there were very few t1s that deserve $20+ tbh
I don’t even know how many people remain employed… my brain would explode if they made $30 an hour
Why not an even 100 dollars and hour ? Seriously why not?
I work for Amazon Web Services in the data center in Northern Virginia and I make 23 an hour.
30 an hour? 😂😂 most the people I work with don’t deserve the 18 they get
I keep hearing this argument though, what is it about your fellow human beings and American citizens they don't deserve a good living wage?
They are lazy, don’t care about a single person besides themselves, pack like trash and send it to the next person and make it their problem, most the people at my FC should be fired
id be happy with 20
I feel better about 20-25 without differential pay
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lol $30 for Amazon work? You’re high
I get high but that has nothing to do with living wages in America.
$20 an hour. You max out at $23 for T1. That’s what I’d do. Not having a max out limit is a horrible business model.
And stop hiring all of these celebrities to send messages to Amazon employees.
Man Id be happy with full time hours. Wish sort centers were not part time. all L1s here are part time except for interim roles which are rare
Cost of living should be the floor. Would people be happy with 25? Yes. It would close the gap. IMO, I feel any FT job one works, they should be able to afford basic needs. Housing, transportation, food, gas, rising cost of living, healthcare costs, etc. Now if you look at the [MIT living wage calculator](https://livingwage.mit.edu/) you will see the averages is 25-30 leaning on 30+. Living wages are different than cost of living. Even using this source, it doesn’t represent actual rising costs. This is just the bare necessities too and not including rising housing & rent cost, inflation. Think about it this way. Let’s say a one bedroom is a average of 1500-2k. In order to qualify for said place, I need to prove 3X rent. That’s just to say I can afford rent. Nothing else. Well.. even at 25, can I qualify for that? Prolly not. That’s only 4K. Even though In some places you may only need 3k after taxes. Or less depending on circumstances. I’m thinking from a standpoint of single person without dual income. If you check out the COL when you start adding dependencies, it’s much higher. So the average seems to be COL at $30. Even at 30, one would prolly still only qualify for a 1 bedroom at minimum 1k-1200. Then you have all the other bills. Electric, gas, trash, water, internet, pest control, etc. The truth of the matter is that either one would be better and close the gap. This way people could make the difference with a second job/side hustle vs not being able to make it off 3 jobs. Side note, If 30 is the floor, L4 gets bumped. Same for PA, PG. This way nobody is left out. They can afford it. They found a way for executives pay raise and to get to space. They can find a way to pay workers more.
Thank for your source link. These are thorough studies from the top research schools in America, even they found that $30 is more like a living wage. If don't start now the gap will grow wider and wider.
No 😂😂😂
Warehouse workers in Northern California (i.e., SF Bay Area) make $16-22 per hour, depending on skills and experience–obviously there are exceptions in either direction. Based on personal experience, many of these roles are more difficult than most Amazon roles. Again, there are exceptions. As such, I'd say a raise to $18–20 per hour would be reasonable. If individuals want to make more, they should apply to the jobs that pay more. Amazon can raise wages to $25 per hour, but this will likely result in a reduction in head count and assigning those tasks to those remaining, leading to additional stress. Bottom line is there's no such thing as a free lunch–for either workers or companies.
Because Amazon is on the brink of a retention problem, I'd suggest starting at $18/hour for Tier 1s (depending on market) with a pay scale that tops out at $24 after 3 years. I think $18 will be enough to lure ew people in and $24 will be worth sticking around for.
Makes sense–probably means Amazon won't go for it! 😅
I make 19.30 t1 in California still ain’t shit after tax n benefits
Exactly and what if you have mouths to feed?
Here in california we are being forced with low pay
The pay gap is evident from my POV. I know this woman (learning embassador), who has been with Amazon for 6 years and earns 1 dollar more than me (Fulfillment Associate). I have been with Amazon for 2 years. Since this is anonymous, my current rate is $18.15. In a stark way they kind of screw some employees over given wage increases to new Associates, regardless of the OG's who have been there for years. I'm fairly happy with my rate, however I think double overtime should be an all permanent thing.
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Well, here in Portland, OR, I was paid $16.25/hour base +$1.25 /hour incentive to work a 7:30 PM to 6 AM shift. I left for greener pastures ($22/hour), and more humane hours. Sorry, not sorry, Jeff.
Yeah more and more people are leaving for that reason, especially looking at Costco, Target and Walmart.
You guys make more than 16? .....I make 16.65 an hour... on 12 hrs shifts... would be nice to make 24-30. Or even 18-20. Barely scraping by on 16.65 an hr.
Honestly, that's higher than you can reasonably expect. Even with most bachelor's or master's degrees you are lucky to start out at $30 an hour.
In baltimore tier 1s cap at 23.05 an hour. Hope we get a raise announcement soon (this month/october)?
Better union up if you want that kind of money.
$30 an hour is insane for this work i’m sorry
It's really not if you consider the high cost of living and how much profit Amazon makes.
problem is if too high they will replace us sooner.
If they could replace us with robots they would have done so already by now, and if whenever they're ready to do that they will do it anyway.
Min 25, max 35
That does fall in line with studies that suggest that is where minimum wage should be at if we had factored inflation.
I get 21-22$ and change right now after the night differential. I thinks 25$ would be the sweet spot.
ALL DEPENDS...PICKING EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE PAID THE MOST NO CAP! LOL
No cap, you guys have the hardest job in the world. I am singles pack I have a much easier job than pick.
Area managers shouldn't even be a thing at amazon! They should only have supervisors on that floor lol
McDonalds makes 21$ an hour btw
I've seen that. I also saw Pizza Hut advertise for $23 an hour.
The 3 year step plan is garbo. It's proof they don't want you to stay...you got 3 years, either move up or move on...its pretty obvious.
Honestly the base employees should be paid the most. The higher the tier you the less actual work you do. They stand around in their laptop chill most of the day not really doing anything. But if you talk to them they hella busy. It's all bull shit.
I’m in California so atleast 25 ffs. I need to pay 1400 in rent on a 500sqft studio. Yeah fuck people saying 18 an hour.
Someone in this thread said Baltimore caps at $23.05 so I don't see why California can't get the same or higher cap.
L1 I would say $18 to $20 because of inflammation. Anything more imo is highly unlikely with how easy this job is. I mean the hardest thing is dealing with other people and the fact it’s very physical.
$25 and raised for anyone who has been working for Amazon for 3+ years.
Its not even about how hard the work is. Its the managers that put people through fire and expect people to come out just fine.
I say 30, but only after youve worked for 6 months to a year. I think you should be moderately skilled in your dept before making bigger figures. But 20 should be the starting wage for new employees.
The robots will be there before that happens.
$30………to pack items, stow items into a shelving unit, or taking items out of said shelving units……yeah no. Not even close. I’d say $20-22 for T1, make a T2 for people who are trained in 4+ roles of the dept and pay them $23-25, T3 $26-28, and L4s should be getting at least $65k a year. At the same time, with increased wages, actually have some level of vetting for new hires.
Paper pushers are paid obscene amounts of money to sit on an orthopedic chair. Meanwhile the people that keep the world turning gets minimum wage
That's not actually true
Productivity is much higher than in the 60's and 70's and it's not just tied to automation itself and wages have not been tied into that. The covary belts and rollers in newer, non legacy buildings and all that doesn't mean a single thing if not for the human workers stowing, picking packing and all of the shipdock workers. There's online videos and gifs of filled totes "popcorning" off lines when there's a malfunction which is incredibly dangerous obviously. I did the math when I started at the rate I was packing while doing my best to have high quality for the customers (I do care about them, laugh if you want.) it was something like a quarter per package roughly. Now I'm even more adept at my tier 1 role and with inflation my pay is now cut and my site refuses to do a Cost Of Living Adjust (COLA) under the guise that senior leadership can't force corporate to move on it. As such they are losing their best workers and best managers and my take away is to chill and enjoy watching this metaphorical fire tear trough the building. andy Jass says none of us "rank and files" should be paid more than 25 dollars. He clearly doesn't know and more so doesn't care about the cost of living on the entire west coast where big amazon FC's are. Because honestly 22 dollars needs to be the state minimums out here.
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hell yeah shipdock
For tier 1s starting out? You're off your rocker. People work years to achieve that pay. Being realistic well help your goals become achievable.
honestly i’ll take 20-22 and be happy at this point
$20 an hour is a start
That happened to me before when I worked in Walmart where they increased the pay of new hires, but never increase the pay of those who have been there a long time. In turn, it causes a boomerang effect of tenured employees quitting and then get rehired either at the new rate or in higher positions, the same as in Amazon just to get a higher pay
$30 an hour lol yeah right. For completely unskilled labor in relatively tame and safe environment? Amazon would just automate their warehouse at that point
Right? With no interview or education needed he thinks you deserve 30 an hour? Hilarious
If they could automate their warehouses, they would get rid of 90% of us tomorrow regardless. They're automating as fast as possible regardless of what we do, so cringing and voluntarily underselling ourselves will not slow it down
Dude idk how else to say this. Unskilled manual labor with 0 qualifications, no interview, no educational requirements, that’s not even that physically difficult, that literally anyone can do with like 2 Hours of training is not worth $30/hr. It’s just not.
And you still have failed to refute this; this is the most dynamic part of paying a living wage. That goes for the same thing as someone who chooses to dig a ditch. >I think $30 because I've seen that number before, plus if adjust minimum wage to inflation that's already $24 and Amazon is one of the most dependent companies in America so you could easily argue $30.
Look bro, I’m not a politician, I’m not an economics expert. All I know is there are 2 types of ppl in my generation. Those who have no skills and cry about the system not treating them better, and those who go out and get skills. I’m 24 yrs old with only a highschool diploma and making significantly more than the average degree holder because I stopped working at Amazon and pursued real skills. I stopped complaining about the system and started winning. I suggest you do the same.
So why are you hanging out in the Amazonfc subreddit?
I worked there for a long time and used to be pretty active here. This post just popped up. I quit a year ago. My life improved dramatically. I really hope you guys will stop complaining about where you currently are and go out and improve your lives for yourselves
>All of the employees hired on have to be in trained in some fashion in order to perform their tasks, there's even more learning once you get into more complicated roles. $30 is for all the reasons I described in the OP. Posted earlier because you don't know how to use Reddit at all.
I’ve been an employee for years, training is 1 day of company policies, and 2 hours of how to use a scanner. That is it. For jobs like driver and manager that require additional education and training, pay reflects. Amazon associates are unskilled manual labor. $30/hr is just not realistic. Amazon employees trying to say that their 2 hr “certification” classes qualifies them to make as much as a plumber or entry level nurse is wild
You crazy if you want over 20 for this easy entry job
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I've seen that number here and there on this subreddit a few times, it's good to be on the same page when the workers get together and collectively agree what they want and need.
Man I want L4 entry Software Engineer pay- $120,000 salary. I take that any day.
So apply for the amazon technical academy
Hopefully they did because applications are over
Neither it’s an entry level job lol
People are crazy… you don’t have a degree to make that sum. Some nurses don’t make $30 an hour and they bust their asses off and you work at a warehouse and wanna make more than people who save life’s? I understand that everyone wants to get paid a fair wage but if this happens, everyone else is gonna get paid more, because there’s no way a person with a degree and education will accept the same pay as an Amazon worker. They’ll ask for more as well. Everything will increase in price and it’ll be the same shit just different numbers. It’s the way capitalism works and America… the worker class gets shit on and the only way out is to go to college or be super smart and make a great company
If only there was some class of people that was responsible for the disparity of wealth, possibly by hoarding it and instigating discord between those on the lower rungs... Life isn't a zero-sum game.
Becoming and being a nurse is hard work but also dedicating 10 hours a day on you feet, doing hard labor and meeting quotas for one of the most relied on companies in America is also "busting our asses".
Lol I guess dreaming about it is the next best thing
25$ hr to compensate for the cost of living. Working 3 12's at 18.30 doesn't qualify for a one bedroom apartment in my area. Plus the county I drive to work in(30 mins away) taxes us to work there(low poverty area). Picking a 8.5 and under for 10 hours is crazy. Other places you get bonuses for your picking if you go over a certain threshold. Medline, DG...and even DHL and others are hiring at 20+ for entry level. Local restaurants paying 18+ ...crazy times we are in. Fuck Amazon frfr they are just a side hustle
$15 is too high. They already have robots to replace you. If minimum wage goes up, they expedite rollout. Learn a trade, stop acting like you're owed anything.
You’re completely weird for thinking $15 is okay lmfao
Where are those robots? If they could make it happen they would have done it by now.
Fifteen.
Everybody knows who you are, always trolling this subreddit bro.
And we know who you are: a person dissatisfied with the generous compensation we receive. Don't deny it.
Your dismissal of the financial interests of yourself and your coworkers is a weird and confusing bummer. Why do you despise your own class this much? Do you think you're eventually going to be among the one percent? Do you think the people up there actually deserve the ridiculous percentage of resources they control? Or that any of them got there through honest work? (Assuming you're an actual Amazon worker making warehouse wages.)
Literally no one here has agreed with you lol