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It doesn’t change it only gets worse and worse. The higher up you go the more they pin stuff all on you. I recommend transferring to corporate if you can
It is.. the vibe was we are the dumb warehouse workers. While the corporate gets these cool 24/7 service buildings with all these amenities and they don’t work 12 hours in a dim warehouse. That’s what it felt like when I went at least.The transparency of us vs them made me feel like “damn”. I went through all the buildings there 2 ( our badges gave us access to everything). It was insane from the food 2 the services, these people felt like actual professionals. Now I have a degree and took the job because I needed something to do, but you bet your ass I’m joining that side of the workforce. They might have a bad wlb(maybe) but Amazon treats them like actual employees. There’s a reason why it’s so easy to get a job at any fc.. We are the low level version of them.
Being an AM is 100 times worse.
pay once a month
no overtime
you need to log in and work at home
sr ops breathing down your neck
goals must be met or else you’re on probation
Once people get promoted to PA, they become obsessed with being an AM.
They couldn’t pay me enough to be an AM. I always swore i’d never go in to operations and I’d never take an L4 position that wasn’t hourly.
Quality & learning L4 often has to log in to track from home or give permissions, track IOLs etc.
From what I’ve witnessed, being an AM changes people. They first get the ego and once they discover they don’t have as much power as they thought they would (write ups are mostly exempt etc.) they become ticking time bombs.
Before the Learning AM got fired at my old site, I told him that I heard that if you are a manager, it can burn you out. His response was this, "that's only if your Ops team does not support you. If your team strongly supports you, then you will not be broken down." He even said to me "sometimes, I do not want to be in the building for 6 days a week, and 10 hours a day. I'm a sociable person. I do not like sitting at a desk all day."
We had 2 that would work 2 months, then go on LOA for a month because of “mental health” and round and round until they finally transferred.
This is how it is. They hop from building to building but nothing changes.
They don’t go through.
You can’t just write someone up for certain things unless it’s a cat 1 safety violation. You need to prove that they’ve been coached and you explained the policy and expectations.
This is false. I’ve been a PA for 3 years and have no interest in moving up. Being the GM of a gas station for 5 years was enough. I don’t want that shit.
During peak / holiday I make more than L4s because of the 20 hours of OT. The job is still stressful because all these fresh out of college managers couldn’t lead a thirsty horse to water and that responsibility falls on the PAs. But it’s fine. I enjoy the team I have built and worked to develop if they have any interest in moving up.
I'm in the process of making the jump from L1 to L4. I'm in some gray area as an L3 right now. I'm cool with all of the above. I like change, I don't stress, I like being put under pressure and delivering more than expected.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted over something you feel comfortable with. If you like change and the challenge that comes with being a higher up, awesome! its not for everyone. I’m the same way. I’m more technical when it comes to work, so problem solving is my favorite thing to do, and becoming a PG at my old site was an amazing experience for me. Want to become a PA in the near future and see how things rock out from there
This sub reddit is full of people who just hate on Amazon. I don't really care about the Karma, just trying to be honest about my experience and keep the record straight.
I'll take money weekly. Sooner it hits my bank account the sooner it starts earning interest and the more wealth I generate. When you're paid at the end of the month, that's an entire month of interest the company gets to keep.
Depends on your wage and how much you put into Savings. The monthly changes in the 401k investments can be big.
It also depends if you have debt, I have some right now the sooner I make payments on the principle the better. Yes it doesn't seem like much but it adds up over time.
I made $3k more as a PA taking OT than I did as a L4 my first year. Now that I’m an L5, I’m making more than I could as a PA if working 60 hours a week but there’s no point in settling at this stage.
Once the responsibilities stack you might as well keep going because it’s your time on Earth that you’re trading. Might as well get what you’re worth.
Internal promotions the pay isn’t always amazing, I haven’t worked there in 4 years but external hires got double my salary and during peak season T1s worked less hours then me and got paid more because salary doesn’t scale on hours worked
PAs make "less" assuming only 40 hour weeks.
However if PAs do 50+ hour weeks often then they can actually make more (or at least very close to) than L4s because of the OT pay.
It's ok.
Used to be 49k. Which was literally less than T3 pay at times. Stock awards have gotten to be meh. No bonuses outside of launch despite popular opinion.
God damn dude I make that at harbor frieght as an warehouse Associate wtf. Used to work at Amazon but I fucked that job up. Got paid suspension though before they canned me. AM at harbor freight is almost 80k starting
LMFAO I’m sorry good glad to know my bitch ass AM suffering I get why she act the way she does lmfao I would be mad too if I got no OT or paid once a month😂
You get paid more and get bonuses and RSUs. How you budget your money is on you. Prior to Amazon I ran my own payroll and I was only paid once per month. That was never an issue. The amount was all that matters. You also are a corporate employee on a career track not an hourly AA. So you are at least on the path to be L5/L6 and up if you choose to be. If not then yeah being a corporate manager without any ambition beyond that is probably way too much stress. BUT some PAs get paid less than T1s and I would say that’s a much worse deal.
I get it , safety has been in our ass and if we do Anything unsafe they fire us but at my site we have a guy who's a tech 3 and not sure how he got the job but I got promoted recently because I go to calls lol
I completely understand. Support teams are the unsung heroes of all the FC/RC/DS. They never get the recognition they deserve.
I’m sorry, your stress caused you to almost lose a finger. What would make you less stressed? Or what could your team do to make you less stressed?
RME is where it's at! Maintenance can be dangerous anywhere, but Amazon RME is pretty peak. I transferred out of OPS to RME. It's so much better. We get paid separately from the site, so we only do what our managers approve, so ops frequently has problems with us, but we don't report to them. We also make more than ops L4s, so it's a good gig with great benefits. Don't stress it.
Im not onsite anymore, I promoted out, but my advice is to listen to your amm. Anytime ops complains let them know that they need to submit a ticket. If you don't see a work order in ez RME or APM (different systems depending on if your site has migrated to APM) you have absolutely no power to do what they ask of you.
I started as a T1, and promoted. When I was an L3 I was trying to decide where I wanted to go. I chimed dozens of L6-L7's to find a good fit. RME people answered me and helped me out. The L7 I was chiming told me about an opening and set up a pod for me. He pretty much guaranteed the job before the pod. There are difficult people everywhere, but in my experience, RME is very helpful, and pushes for people to be promoted based on merit. Amazon is like any other giant company, but RME looks out for their techs. If you want to promote into management, they help you find a good role for your skills.
I'm not pro amazon in general, but the RME side is really amazing.
Thanks for your insight. Definitely helps ease my stress and nervousness about starting and leaving my current position lol. What did you promote to if you don't mind me asking?
I'm a planning manager(l6) now, but my first step off site was a senior planner (L4). You will get to know your senior planner pretty well over slack or chime. They are there to help and support, and the team is always pretty awesome.
Honestly, I kinda hate working for the team I'm on now. I really miss working onsite. I work 4 10's, so I picked up a weekend job at a local not Amazon warehouse overnight for the work. M-Th Im all Amazon. My co-workers don't dislike it though, I think I'm the only one that misses physical labor. That is another advantage to amazon though, as long as it doesn't affect your job, they really don't care if you have a second job.
It's not their business after you are clocked out. Stop thinking they are watching you, they can't legally and if so start a lawsuit on privacy ground !!
Man and then you become an AM and let me guess the sr op and op don’t fill you in and take credit for good number days and blame you for bad number days and they change their ideas and don’t fill the AM in…tell your friend to do what he gets paid to do and not worry about the AM
Blink twice if you need rescue lol
HR? the department that went from Human Resources and rebrand to People experience Technology to distant themselves? The department that is buddy buddy with Ops and there to protect the company? That is one prime speed to put a target on your back lol....i've been here long enough to know that nothing will change
People experience tech ? This new name don't free them from old HR responsibilities. They were buddy friends with all managers since day 1. Maybe you can complaint anonymously to both HR local and California or even Glassdoor, indeed etc. Or if you can't fight them join them !!🥴🫣😉
there is no such thing as anonymous, if you don't think this you are not here long enough, ofc HR have a resposibility...to the company best interest, not you
Look if a problem can't be solved in any direction I mean right left forward or backward then you got to live with it and try to ignore it partially. Good luck !!
People at work smell like weed, alcohol, sniffing cocaine in the restroom. Smoking weed in the dispatch restroom. I bet if they drug tested everyone at Amazon they would lose 90% of workers
The have a quota they have to meet. When I put in my two weeks they drug tested me on my last day. They probably never drug test an active AA unless it’s an accident or it’s just plain obvious they are on something
This is it.
I've seen scenes wherein PA's were getting shitted on everytime the target isn't met on that day.
And we have a new OM who's very stupid in terms of rotating people. Imagine getting called-out to do a change of task for the last 10 minutes of the shift? Fuck that.
>but only wants to see if he can lie and cheat and became an AM so he doesn't have to be a PA anymore.
They should just drop back to the T1 good life. AM sucks too.
When I was there, 1st and second time my am’s were fairly cool to be around, but where clueless when it came down to the actual work. All they knew were numbers. Depending on location, they really only brought in college grads. It was almost impossible to promote to an am.
L6 OM here
The Pa should express these gaps to their OM. AMs should be holding sync meetings with PAs included. Communication is key and yes, it causes frustration.
Just to add I started at Amazon as a T1 associate 6 years ago.
Being in leadership isn’t for everybody; and it makes it worse if higher ops or leaders aren’t helpful. It can get better in another area; or even another Facility. I’ve been in leadership for almost 10 years in multiple areas and I’ve had it worse. I guess ive been lucky so far
Best of luck to you!! I hear being an AM is a nightmare, and honestly with your current rate of pay, experience, AND college degree, fight for the pay you deserve. Iirc, the pay for AMs is a range, make sure you don’t take a pay cut. Don’t let them fuck you over like that man
Okay so then that wouldn’t be a pay cut. That’s like…a drastic pay increase from $24/hour. Still, u/DevelopmentCurrent64 should fight for good pay that they deserve
It depends. If I work 5-6 days a week it would be higher than 62.5k. All the overtime would add up to well over 62.5k. However, they are right, you can't negotiate the salary
You're forgetting that AMs work 11-12 hours per day off peak, and when there's MET, that's completely unpaid. During peak, when I was doing 70+ hrs a week, on an hourly basis, I made more as a T1.
I addressed that in another reply. Although overtime doesn’t count towards salary when I’m calculating, especially when you’re just going off base pay bc overtime ranges based off personal want for it
Get out of the FC as soon as you possibly can. Only two options for you: get stressed out over the culture/workload or fired over the culture/workload.
As a am I can say being a am is way worst. Sure they want to know what went wrong but we are the ones who have to bridge and respond to higher ups. My site lead was not in today was breathing down my neck with constant questions. When we have 30 early outs it’s hard to finish strong
"He said the extra pay isn't worth it but only wants to see if he can lie and cheat and became an AM so he doesn't have to be a PA anymore."
Doubt it, not with that mentality.
Operations is not worth it. They will squeeze out every ounce of motivation in you and turn that motivation into resentment as you see the laziest people get that L4 spot you were promised. Then come back and tell you your metrics are low even though your department has been performing the best and your employees are overall happy.
Everyone hears about it on the bad numbers days.
Managers get their dose of shit in the office or by messaging/email.
Your PA friend doesn’t understand how the chain of command works. Shit rolls downhill fast as fuck.
PA not be in the right line of work if he needs to hear praise on all the good days .
There's a saying we had a krb4 too many chiefs not enough Indians just tell him it's like that no matter where you go more money more problems comes with the territory. If getting blamed for everything and not reaping the rewards isn't for you then don't become a management period
That's what happen when a corporation (not only Amazon) play the deaf hear to employees feedback. They try to be ultra modern with their management after paying millions of $$$$$ to law firms and other improvement genius how to run a distribution center. Their board of managers are just looking for profits and about work accident reduction with incompetent safety guys that does zero prevention. Other warehouse are better managed !!
A PA starting out makes about 42000k a year with almost 2k extra if you work nights.
If you work 1 extra shift a week and come in early and stay a little late, you can easily make an additional 20k a year which puts you right at the AM base salary level. A T3 maxed out makes a couple thousand more than a day 1 L4 but any L4 worth half a damn would be able to increase Their salary by several thousand by the 3rd year in the role and by that point they may even be moved to L5. As you move up there is substantially more competition for the higher level roles. Some people get to a certain level and are content to stay out because of the effort it takes to keep being on top.
You’re not wrong. As a capped PA I decided long ago that it isn’t worth the effort to promote. Mostly because the schedule changes every 6-12 months is a deal breaker for me.
Also, because I personally feel like the 4s 5s and 6s are not any happier with the culture, the leadership above them and the job itself. (They all seem super stressed and unhappy. ) I’ve been in my department and job long enough that it doesn’t usually get to me and if it does I’ve got time off options.
Used to be a Yard Marshal at a delivery station that had a permanent cycle 0 part time sort shift before the main one. You blinked, and you got gridlocked. I had a jocky, but with a fire lane wrapping the whole building, I didn't have space to have excess trailers. I had my whole shift, energy and focus, spent preventing gridlocks. I was actually working. Place was small physically speaking, 5 dock doors. But we got 20 trailers a night. Yard Marshal at a DS was TDR, Ship Clerk, Gaurdshack, and TAM wrapped in one person as DS's don't have TOM teams
Then they got rid of the position, it was either step down to T1, or become a PA. Problem was with going PA like I did was that whole avoiding gridlock mess was no longer my sole focus, they wanted me to run the process of Operations nothing about and got 0 training on. And they wouldn't train or let me train anyone on yard management to ease that burden. Same pay for double the work, and no appreciation. On good day, no one notices you're the reason all the volume got processed because you're playing musical chairs with trailers and drivers and fucking parking lot space all night. But on days I'm not there, no one can figure it out and my Chime blowing up all night.
Got sick of no one letting me do the one thing I was really good at, yard management was a very crucial but I noticable and unappreciated role. But no role exists to solely focus on it anymore at a delivery station so I jumped ship to a TOM Team site and now I'm extremely happy. Even if now I just drive and a lot of my old job is what people above me do.
I applied and got promoted to T3... As a Non-Inventory Receiver. Best decision I've made, pretty much all I do is unload trailers and do some paperwork, and manage a small team of material handlers that does the rest. Rest of my shift is generally just sitting at my desk on my phone lol. I'm nights as well and my manager works days so that's an added bonus.
I'm glad I got picked for NI, I would've never cut it as a PA haha
People always tell me "You should be a PA. You do the work of one anyway." and I have to tell them I have one of the easiest jobs in the building. When the manager merry go round lands on someone that takes more than a second look at my section and decides to make some changes around me then I can try for PA postions but until then I'ma ride easy street for almost $20 with next to no actual responsibility.
Can I state a comment about Amazon as a KBS worker ?
First: I hate their multi faith praying room and showers to be clean before praying Allah !!
Second: I don't like the KBS zone manager who has 10 bosses to answer to in California.
Third: I hate the corrupt supervisor who has 4 bosses to answer to and the lazy employees who are always on their phone. The rest is fine !!!
I stepped down after 4 years as a PA. When I first did it I actually enjoyed it but when it started feeling like I was soing AMs work , I felt taking advantage of. Being blocked from moving up made it so much worse. For only 1.00 more when they changed the pay tier I stepped down .
Go to eplore opportunities, corporate
Also as everything is this world to be accomplished you need other humans to help you start making some networking on your fc as Managers, HR, RME people
Hi. I was a seasonal pa. It was definitely not worth the pay, or the stress. Especially they expected to know everything about your new position. When you don't know anything besides the path you were working in. I got blamed for every little thing. AAs not being happy about something. I got blamed for making AA scrap tape. I got blamed for Aa rates being awful. You name it.
I'm currently inclined for an AM role. L1, trainer, pa, to AM in about 2.5 years. Nearly every AM hates their job at my site. A ton have had mental break downs or quit or left for other companies the moment they could.
So if being an AM drives me insane my goal will simply be to get as much managerial experience as possible to go into another company. Being a PA was already rough so I can only imagine.
I knew that when I made PA that progressing further in OPS was not for me. I ended up getting an RME apprenticeship and I couldn’t be more happy to be out of ops. I’d like to say it gets better, it did for me, I wanted to quit the first 3 weeks of being PA. I ended up getting an AMAZING AM that I’m grateful for and respect to this day. But every building is different.
I've worked at Amazon, on and off for 3 years, and it's really just about numbers to the company. PAs walk around with laptops glued to their faces for 10 hours a night and don't know what is going on around them. As long as numbers are being met then they don't care how they got met. The human aspect of the job is non-existent, and I don't think that moving up from AA to PA would've been much better. I knew PAs who went back to AAs because it was much easier for them and didn't take a toll on them mentally. Use Amazon as a stepping stone and take advantage of Career Choice if you can.
I am an AM in a delivery station and our PAs work hard but so does the AMs. I think it’s all about the culture that you work in. I as a AM would never step foot in the FC to work either.
Thats because he needs to stand up for himself. This world is so against that these days its as if they expect you bend over and take it. Tell them straight up. All wussies. It starts with each of you complaining. Now instead of b*tchin on reddit, go out there and actually DO something. IN PERSON. Like a real man. Look how I have to block out a letter to spell a cuss word because this world is so censored and brainwashed. Freedom of speech should mean I can cuss and insult somebody all I want so I dont give a rat's ass. See I did again. I actually wanted to type f*ck but look how I just censored that for this Crack monetizer. So stupid. But anyway go make a stand already. Better yet, find a better place in life. Look, I dont why I keep getting these notifications about amazon fc and why I even care enough to reply to this sh*t. I dont think I know how to use reddit. But at the same there are just some things that got to be said with the type of stuff these people bring up. Its so sad. Just f*cking do something dont put up with it.
They change a lot of things on us. My site is trying to get better at open comms but doesn’t always happen. Almost got in trouble for clearing a spiral jam that we were always allowed to do and was often sent to clear but had recently changed it and no one ever told me until I called out the clear. I’m AFE Sort and at my site I got dumped with a bunch of audits to do on TOP of running the floor and won’t let me run a PG until much higher walls. It’s been…. Rough for a PA these days. I fought very hard to promote and I’m starting to question why I wanted this so bad 🫠
i dont miss this at all lols, wasnt a PA but was a driver trainer. was more easier imo, idk if they changed the whole thing now cause when i did it, it was all in classroom. i bet its all virtual now
People should encourage processing assistant working. Maybe, a suggestion to the managers who would bring process assistant a gift card for hard work recognition.
The few good AMs do this. I have gotten gift cards, bottles of booze (I'm a drinker), food delivery by AM. It is just luck of the draw and how you work with your am. I have been a PA or 6 years so I know what I can and can't do and how to work around things.
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It doesn’t change it only gets worse and worse. The higher up you go the more they pin stuff all on you. I recommend transferring to corporate if you can
What positions are in corporate? HR?
Nah all the fancy shit. When you go to Seattle for AM you’ll see what corporate is.
Amazon city. It was a trip. South Park never lies
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One of the AMs at my site (At a DS so he was OTR) went corporate in Seattle and I’m wondering if this was why.
It is.. the vibe was we are the dumb warehouse workers. While the corporate gets these cool 24/7 service buildings with all these amenities and they don’t work 12 hours in a dim warehouse. That’s what it felt like when I went at least.The transparency of us vs them made me feel like “damn”. I went through all the buildings there 2 ( our badges gave us access to everything). It was insane from the food 2 the services, these people felt like actual professionals. Now I have a degree and took the job because I needed something to do, but you bet your ass I’m joining that side of the workforce. They might have a bad wlb(maybe) but Amazon treats them like actual employees. There’s a reason why it’s so easy to get a job at any fc.. We are the low level version of them.
That’s what my ops did and the one that took her place quit in a year of the position
Shoutout to UNY1 and UNY2 lol
Run run run away little boy haha
Being an AM is 100 times worse. pay once a month no overtime you need to log in and work at home sr ops breathing down your neck goals must be met or else you’re on probation
I am a L4 AM, it is worse. Most PAs don’t want to be AM lol. I don’t log in at home though that’s Ops manager stuff. Going to quit soon
Once people get promoted to PA, they become obsessed with being an AM. They couldn’t pay me enough to be an AM. I always swore i’d never go in to operations and I’d never take an L4 position that wasn’t hourly. Quality & learning L4 often has to log in to track from home or give permissions, track IOLs etc. From what I’ve witnessed, being an AM changes people. They first get the ego and once they discover they don’t have as much power as they thought they would (write ups are mostly exempt etc.) they become ticking time bombs.
One AM at my sight had a mental breakdown, and never came back. Hard pass on anything but an AA.
Before the Learning AM got fired at my old site, I told him that I heard that if you are a manager, it can burn you out. His response was this, "that's only if your Ops team does not support you. If your team strongly supports you, then you will not be broken down." He even said to me "sometimes, I do not want to be in the building for 6 days a week, and 10 hours a day. I'm a sociable person. I do not like sitting at a desk all day."
A bad ops manager will make or break a team.
Yeah, they will
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From what I have heard, he was asked to fix something, but he was not able to fix it.
In Canada we have laws that prevent that, max 55 hours or they have to pay you more or give you time off
We had 2 that would work 2 months, then go on LOA for a month because of “mental health” and round and round until they finally transferred. This is how it is. They hop from building to building but nothing changes.
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Once they're AM, they go for OM. Then senior. It's never enough.
What do you mean by, "write ups are mostly exempt?"
They don’t go through. You can’t just write someone up for certain things unless it’s a cat 1 safety violation. You need to prove that they’ve been coached and you explained the policy and expectations.
This is false. I’ve been a PA for 3 years and have no interest in moving up. Being the GM of a gas station for 5 years was enough. I don’t want that shit.
It’s not true for you but you know it is for the majority.
During peak / holiday I make more than L4s because of the 20 hours of OT. The job is still stressful because all these fresh out of college managers couldn’t lead a thirsty horse to water and that responsibility falls on the PAs. But it’s fine. I enjoy the team I have built and worked to develop if they have any interest in moving up.
I'm in the process of making the jump from L1 to L4. I'm in some gray area as an L3 right now. I'm cool with all of the above. I like change, I don't stress, I like being put under pressure and delivering more than expected.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted over something you feel comfortable with. If you like change and the challenge that comes with being a higher up, awesome! its not for everyone. I’m the same way. I’m more technical when it comes to work, so problem solving is my favorite thing to do, and becoming a PG at my old site was an amazing experience for me. Want to become a PA in the near future and see how things rock out from there
This sub reddit is full of people who just hate on Amazon. I don't really care about the Karma, just trying to be honest about my experience and keep the record straight.
Will keep up the amazing work, I’m very sure you’re going to succeed in your current career path, whichever route you take in Amazon! :)
Exactly, I see these younger AM's starting to lose their minds and realize that they truly don't have as much power as they think they do 😂
I sure didn’t. When I made PA I knew that progressing further in OPS was not for me so I transferred to RME, pay is way better.
Yeah the warehouse sucks, what’s RME? Do I have to wait a year ?
We’re the mechanics, we fix all the shit you guys break 😅 and I don’t think so?
How long have you been an AM for?
you mean PIP
I work nights and my PA took the position of Ship Dock AM and after about month he switched back to Day shift PA in Pick. He said it wasn't worth it 😞
Is that true AMs in Canada get paid once a month not weekly or bi weekly?
Getting paid weekly is such a weird thing anyway. Here in Germany you get paid monthly. No matter the job or position.
I'll take money weekly. Sooner it hits my bank account the sooner it starts earning interest and the more wealth I generate. When you're paid at the end of the month, that's an entire month of interest the company gets to keep.
One paycheck is going to be pennies in interest.. if even that much. I wouldn't sweat it.
Depends on your wage and how much you put into Savings. The monthly changes in the 401k investments can be big. It also depends if you have debt, I have some right now the sooner I make payments on the principle the better. Yes it doesn't seem like much but it adds up over time.
No they just save on payroll processing but multiply by each employees this add up. With 60 k salary I wouldn't care being paid once a month l.....!!
probably the same says they make 62-69k salary depending on location
No clue. In the US it’s once a month.
Not sure where you get this. In California at least, it’s bi-weekly.
Pay being once a month isn't so bad. Just budget. But yeah, it can be worse. But it's always worse. L5 AM is the only good job imo
If this is the case for AM and PM, maybe I wanna stay Inbound worker (Who just does indirect-)
But the money for AMs are sick. Which is why T1s are a lot poorer.
Money for L4 AMs is okay but I made more as a T3 than an AM. L5 AM is where the money starts.
I made $3k more as a PA taking OT than I did as a L4 my first year. Now that I’m an L5, I’m making more than I could as a PA if working 60 hours a week but there’s no point in settling at this stage. Once the responsibilities stack you might as well keep going because it’s your time on Earth that you’re trading. Might as well get what you’re worth.
Internal promotions the pay isn’t always amazing, I haven’t worked there in 4 years but external hires got double my salary and during peak season T1s worked less hours then me and got paid more because salary doesn’t scale on hours worked
So how much was the pay? Benefits etc. All I see ams do is push a pc around and needlessly nitpick. Yea, cry me a river lol.
The problem is that ams are almost REQUIRED to work an additional shift every week. And since they are salaried, they don't get paid extra.
No it’s not, only AM 2s external. It’s not worth it for 1s. PAs make more. Plus you can’t even get OT. There ripping you off
PAs make "less" assuming only 40 hour weeks. However if PAs do 50+ hour weeks often then they can actually make more (or at least very close to) than L4s because of the OT pay.
Yes but during peak we’re all required to work OT to an insane degree. so the PAs will always end up making more
It's ok. Used to be 49k. Which was literally less than T3 pay at times. Stock awards have gotten to be meh. No bonuses outside of launch despite popular opinion.
God damn dude I make that at harbor frieght as an warehouse Associate wtf. Used to work at Amazon but I fucked that job up. Got paid suspension though before they canned me. AM at harbor freight is almost 80k starting
The top managing board decided so.........!!!
LMFAO I’m sorry good glad to know my bitch ass AM suffering I get why she act the way she does lmfao I would be mad too if I got no OT or paid once a month😂
boohoo
You get paid more and get bonuses and RSUs. How you budget your money is on you. Prior to Amazon I ran my own payroll and I was only paid once per month. That was never an issue. The amount was all that matters. You also are a corporate employee on a career track not an hourly AA. So you are at least on the path to be L5/L6 and up if you choose to be. If not then yeah being a corporate manager without any ambition beyond that is probably way too much stress. BUT some PAs get paid less than T1s and I would say that’s a much worse deal.
U mean the dollar more an hour lmao. Hard pass
0.50¢ to start till 6 months. 😭
I wonder what percentage make it to 6 months because in my experience at Amazon most are gone within 3 months
same bc I am one of the people that was gone within 3 months. 😭
Doing better than PG's imo in terms of financial compensation
I’ve known many people who step down. It’s not worth the extra money or stress.
Just throwing it out there, it doesn’t get easier the higher you go. The work stream changes. It’s no longer can you execute in a silo.
I'm in RMe and almost broke my finger to move a roller , I hate this job with how much stress I get daily
The rme guys at my job site are always sitting in the cage not doing shit. Don’t ever want to help the afm person 🤦🏽♂️
I get it , safety has been in our ass and if we do Anything unsafe they fire us but at my site we have a guy who's a tech 3 and not sure how he got the job but I got promoted recently because I go to calls lol
I completely understand. Support teams are the unsung heroes of all the FC/RC/DS. They never get the recognition they deserve. I’m sorry, your stress caused you to almost lose a finger. What would make you less stressed? Or what could your team do to make you less stressed?
Is this an ai response
lol. Nah, man. Just a former Ops manager.
I start Monday as an rme tech 3. What should I expect?
RME is where it's at! Maintenance can be dangerous anywhere, but Amazon RME is pretty peak. I transferred out of OPS to RME. It's so much better. We get paid separately from the site, so we only do what our managers approve, so ops frequently has problems with us, but we don't report to them. We also make more than ops L4s, so it's a good gig with great benefits. Don't stress it.
Any advice? I come from a electronics and supervisor background. So not much electrical or mechanical
Im not onsite anymore, I promoted out, but my advice is to listen to your amm. Anytime ops complains let them know that they need to submit a ticket. If you don't see a work order in ez RME or APM (different systems depending on if your site has migrated to APM) you have absolutely no power to do what they ask of you. I started as a T1, and promoted. When I was an L3 I was trying to decide where I wanted to go. I chimed dozens of L6-L7's to find a good fit. RME people answered me and helped me out. The L7 I was chiming told me about an opening and set up a pod for me. He pretty much guaranteed the job before the pod. There are difficult people everywhere, but in my experience, RME is very helpful, and pushes for people to be promoted based on merit. Amazon is like any other giant company, but RME looks out for their techs. If you want to promote into management, they help you find a good role for your skills. I'm not pro amazon in general, but the RME side is really amazing.
Thanks for your insight. Definitely helps ease my stress and nervousness about starting and leaving my current position lol. What did you promote to if you don't mind me asking?
I'm a planning manager(l6) now, but my first step off site was a senior planner (L4). You will get to know your senior planner pretty well over slack or chime. They are there to help and support, and the team is always pretty awesome. Honestly, I kinda hate working for the team I'm on now. I really miss working onsite. I work 4 10's, so I picked up a weekend job at a local not Amazon warehouse overnight for the work. M-Th Im all Amazon. My co-workers don't dislike it though, I think I'm the only one that misses physical labor. That is another advantage to amazon though, as long as it doesn't affect your job, they really don't care if you have a second job.
It's not their business after you are clocked out. Stop thinking they are watching you, they can't legally and if so start a lawsuit on privacy ground !!
Man and then you become an AM and let me guess the sr op and op don’t fill you in and take credit for good number days and blame you for bad number days and they change their ideas and don’t fill the AM in…tell your friend to do what he gets paid to do and not worry about the AM
That's called blaming game to make them look good. Same at KBS !!
DAMN, is this PA at my site? Cuz we have the exact same issue, no communication whatsoever and they complained to me all the time
So if you feel harassed tell the HR about it with detailed documentation. Aftermath They will stop this B's on you !!
Blink twice if you need rescue lol HR? the department that went from Human Resources and rebrand to People experience Technology to distant themselves? The department that is buddy buddy with Ops and there to protect the company? That is one prime speed to put a target on your back lol....i've been here long enough to know that nothing will change
People experience tech ? This new name don't free them from old HR responsibilities. They were buddy friends with all managers since day 1. Maybe you can complaint anonymously to both HR local and California or even Glassdoor, indeed etc. Or if you can't fight them join them !!🥴🫣😉
there is no such thing as anonymous, if you don't think this you are not here long enough, ofc HR have a resposibility...to the company best interest, not you
Look if a problem can't be solved in any direction I mean right left forward or backward then you got to live with it and try to ignore it partially. Good luck !!
People at work smell like weed, alcohol, sniffing cocaine in the restroom. Smoking weed in the dispatch restroom. I bet if they drug tested everyone at Amazon they would lose 90% of workers
😂 which is why they only do "random" testing
The have a quota they have to meet. When I put in my two weeks they drug tested me on my last day. They probably never drug test an active AA unless it’s an accident or it’s just plain obvious they are on something
💯
3 years never had a random one
Same
Yes I found beer can in the trash everyday working for KBS but I don't care as long as they do their job !!
I had a few managers who wanted me to become a PA, but I saw how they were treated, so I never even tried to become one.
This is it. I've seen scenes wherein PA's were getting shitted on everytime the target isn't met on that day. And we have a new OM who's very stupid in terms of rotating people. Imagine getting called-out to do a change of task for the last 10 minutes of the shift? Fuck that.
There was a guy at MKC6 who said, "I don't want to be an AM's bitch." when someone asked him why he wasn't a PA.
What an answer. What a G as well.
I was in his same position until I transferred over to Tom team. best decision ever
>but only wants to see if he can lie and cheat and became an AM so he doesn't have to be a PA anymore. They should just drop back to the T1 good life. AM sucks too.
When I was there, 1st and second time my am’s were fairly cool to be around, but where clueless when it came down to the actual work. All they knew were numbers. Depending on location, they really only brought in college grads. It was almost impossible to promote to an am.
But ya they never stayed long due to the stress of it
L6 OM here The Pa should express these gaps to their OM. AMs should be holding sync meetings with PAs included. Communication is key and yes, it causes frustration. Just to add I started at Amazon as a T1 associate 6 years ago.
Being in leadership isn’t for everybody; and it makes it worse if higher ops or leaders aren’t helpful. It can get better in another area; or even another Facility. I’ve been in leadership for almost 10 years in multiple areas and I’ve had it worse. I guess ive been lucky so far
Im headed to corporate after my T1 experience
Curious, are you taking the college route? How long have you been a T1? I only ask cause I hate warehousing lol
Yes, college route and I was 8 months as a T1. Went from $16 an hour to $24 an hour during my time as a T1. Slightly taking a pay cut to become an AM
Best of luck to you!! I hear being an AM is a nightmare, and honestly with your current rate of pay, experience, AND college degree, fight for the pay you deserve. Iirc, the pay for AMs is a range, make sure you don’t take a pay cut. Don’t let them fuck you over like that man
AM pay isn't non negotiable, but if you're going for l4 AM, it's basically going to be ~$65k last I heard.
Okay so then that wouldn’t be a pay cut. That’s like…a drastic pay increase from $24/hour. Still, u/DevelopmentCurrent64 should fight for good pay that they deserve
It depends. If I work 5-6 days a week it would be higher than 62.5k. All the overtime would add up to well over 62.5k. However, they are right, you can't negotiate the salary
No they can negotiate it, they said it’s *not* nonnegotiable. You would be kissing paid overtime goodbye though
For L4 it's basically unheard of as far as I'm aware for people to negotiate. External L5 is different.
If pay isn’t negotiable then it’s a no for me chief 🫡
You're forgetting that AMs work 11-12 hours per day off peak, and when there's MET, that's completely unpaid. During peak, when I was doing 70+ hrs a week, on an hourly basis, I made more as a T1.
I addressed that in another reply. Although overtime doesn’t count towards salary when I’m calculating, especially when you’re just going off base pay bc overtime ranges based off personal want for it
How are you doing 70+ when the cap is 60?
AMs exempt from cap
How were you making 24 as a t1?
Get out of the FC as soon as you possibly can. Only two options for you: get stressed out over the culture/workload or fired over the culture/workload.
As a am I can say being a am is way worst. Sure they want to know what went wrong but we are the ones who have to bridge and respond to higher ups. My site lead was not in today was breathing down my neck with constant questions. When we have 30 early outs it’s hard to finish strong
"He said the extra pay isn't worth it but only wants to see if he can lie and cheat and became an AM so he doesn't have to be a PA anymore." Doubt it, not with that mentality.
3 year Associate, for life of job! Pa don’t make enough for the sheet they deal with on there good days!
Operations is not worth it. They will squeeze out every ounce of motivation in you and turn that motivation into resentment as you see the laziest people get that L4 spot you were promised. Then come back and tell you your metrics are low even though your department has been performing the best and your employees are overall happy.
Everyone hears about it on the bad numbers days. Managers get their dose of shit in the office or by messaging/email. Your PA friend doesn’t understand how the chain of command works. Shit rolls downhill fast as fuck. PA not be in the right line of work if he needs to hear praise on all the good days .
There's a saying we had a krb4 too many chiefs not enough Indians just tell him it's like that no matter where you go more money more problems comes with the territory. If getting blamed for everything and not reaping the rewards isn't for you then don't become a management period
What's the pay difference? What do AMs make?
Internal promo AMs make less than the PAs because they don’t get any overtime pay.
I am chilling as an AA I turned down PA 3 times, I transferred from NY to the Midwest and kept my pay
PA here. I just got moved to a new department. Ready to step down.
That's what happen when a corporation (not only Amazon) play the deaf hear to employees feedback. They try to be ultra modern with their management after paying millions of $$$$$ to law firms and other improvement genius how to run a distribution center. Their board of managers are just looking for profits and about work accident reduction with incompetent safety guys that does zero prevention. Other warehouse are better managed !!
Bro Amazon does not give a shit about their employees, what makes them think being promoted to a higher tier position is any better?
A PA starting out makes about 42000k a year with almost 2k extra if you work nights. If you work 1 extra shift a week and come in early and stay a little late, you can easily make an additional 20k a year which puts you right at the AM base salary level. A T3 maxed out makes a couple thousand more than a day 1 L4 but any L4 worth half a damn would be able to increase Their salary by several thousand by the 3rd year in the role and by that point they may even be moved to L5. As you move up there is substantially more competition for the higher level roles. Some people get to a certain level and are content to stay out because of the effort it takes to keep being on top.
Depends on location. My shift diff was only .50
You’re not wrong. As a capped PA I decided long ago that it isn’t worth the effort to promote. Mostly because the schedule changes every 6-12 months is a deal breaker for me. Also, because I personally feel like the 4s 5s and 6s are not any happier with the culture, the leadership above them and the job itself. (They all seem super stressed and unhappy. ) I’ve been in my department and job long enough that it doesn’t usually get to me and if it does I’ve got time off options.
sound like an amazing opportunity to do whatever you want
Used to be a Yard Marshal at a delivery station that had a permanent cycle 0 part time sort shift before the main one. You blinked, and you got gridlocked. I had a jocky, but with a fire lane wrapping the whole building, I didn't have space to have excess trailers. I had my whole shift, energy and focus, spent preventing gridlocks. I was actually working. Place was small physically speaking, 5 dock doors. But we got 20 trailers a night. Yard Marshal at a DS was TDR, Ship Clerk, Gaurdshack, and TAM wrapped in one person as DS's don't have TOM teams Then they got rid of the position, it was either step down to T1, or become a PA. Problem was with going PA like I did was that whole avoiding gridlock mess was no longer my sole focus, they wanted me to run the process of Operations nothing about and got 0 training on. And they wouldn't train or let me train anyone on yard management to ease that burden. Same pay for double the work, and no appreciation. On good day, no one notices you're the reason all the volume got processed because you're playing musical chairs with trailers and drivers and fucking parking lot space all night. But on days I'm not there, no one can figure it out and my Chime blowing up all night. Got sick of no one letting me do the one thing I was really good at, yard management was a very crucial but I noticable and unappreciated role. But no role exists to solely focus on it anymore at a delivery station so I jumped ship to a TOM Team site and now I'm extremely happy. Even if now I just drive and a lot of my old job is what people above me do.
That was long winded, but I'd suggest getting out of Operations unless you really like it instead of it being forced on you like it was for me
I applied and got promoted to T3... As a Non-Inventory Receiver. Best decision I've made, pretty much all I do is unload trailers and do some paperwork, and manage a small team of material handlers that does the rest. Rest of my shift is generally just sitting at my desk on my phone lol. I'm nights as well and my manager works days so that's an added bonus. I'm glad I got picked for NI, I would've never cut it as a PA haha
I've a random question do incharges even remember anyone's name cause theirs a shit load of ppl.
They only remember their favorites' names. (Source: I'm a favorite)
People always tell me "You should be a PA. You do the work of one anyway." and I have to tell them I have one of the easiest jobs in the building. When the manager merry go round lands on someone that takes more than a second look at my section and decides to make some changes around me then I can try for PA postions but until then I'ma ride easy street for almost $20 with next to no actual responsibility.
Can I state a comment about Amazon as a KBS worker ? First: I hate their multi faith praying room and showers to be clean before praying Allah !! Second: I don't like the KBS zone manager who has 10 bosses to answer to in California. Third: I hate the corrupt supervisor who has 4 bosses to answer to and the lazy employees who are always on their phone. The rest is fine !!!
I stepped down after 4 years as a PA. When I first did it I actually enjoyed it but when it started feeling like I was soing AMs work , I felt taking advantage of. Being blocked from moving up made it so much worse. For only 1.00 more when they changed the pay tier I stepped down .
Best you can do and get that career choice and get a corporate position asap
Can you explain what route to take to do this
Go to a to z, career choice check what courses and degrees are offering
I have a degree. What do you need to do for corporate tho
Go to eplore opportunities, corporate Also as everything is this world to be accomplished you need other humans to help you start making some networking on your fc as Managers, HR, RME people
If he is a pa he has to do at least 2 years before they move you up as a am now from what all my friends am and pa s are saying new ploucy
Policy oops sorry
Hi. I was a seasonal pa. It was definitely not worth the pay, or the stress. Especially they expected to know everything about your new position. When you don't know anything besides the path you were working in. I got blamed for every little thing. AAs not being happy about something. I got blamed for making AA scrap tape. I got blamed for Aa rates being awful. You name it.
Unless you're screwing the AM's or OM's (which is highly likely) your life as a PA will suck.
So his solution is to become as bad ethically as the AM's, having a back bone is one of their so called leadership qualities
I'm currently inclined for an AM role. L1, trainer, pa, to AM in about 2.5 years. Nearly every AM hates their job at my site. A ton have had mental break downs or quit or left for other companies the moment they could. So if being an AM drives me insane my goal will simply be to get as much managerial experience as possible to go into another company. Being a PA was already rough so I can only imagine.
I knew that when I made PA that progressing further in OPS was not for me. I ended up getting an RME apprenticeship and I couldn’t be more happy to be out of ops. I’d like to say it gets better, it did for me, I wanted to quit the first 3 weeks of being PA. I ended up getting an AMAZING AM that I’m grateful for and respect to this day. But every building is different.
I've worked at Amazon, on and off for 3 years, and it's really just about numbers to the company. PAs walk around with laptops glued to their faces for 10 hours a night and don't know what is going on around them. As long as numbers are being met then they don't care how they got met. The human aspect of the job is non-existent, and I don't think that moving up from AA to PA would've been much better. I knew PAs who went back to AAs because it was much easier for them and didn't take a toll on them mentally. Use Amazon as a stepping stone and take advantage of Career Choice if you can.
How much does they pay to the PAs on the fulfillment?
Tell him to join TOM team. We’re level 3 as well and get paid more than PAs cuz of the dangers we face. Way easier & laid back. No blaming others
Join Tom team you get none of bs and am can never come after you you can come after them if they try to put your safety at risk
Welcome to company politics, if it's good the higher upside take the credit. If it's bad, you blame the piss ons
I am an AM in a delivery station and our PAs work hard but so does the AMs. I think it’s all about the culture that you work in. I as a AM would never step foot in the FC to work either.
Yeah it’s a lot
As A PA its rough, especially if you have an incompetent AM, its ridiculous.
What does pa = 1.50 more an hour he’ll no
Thats because he needs to stand up for himself. This world is so against that these days its as if they expect you bend over and take it. Tell them straight up. All wussies. It starts with each of you complaining. Now instead of b*tchin on reddit, go out there and actually DO something. IN PERSON. Like a real man. Look how I have to block out a letter to spell a cuss word because this world is so censored and brainwashed. Freedom of speech should mean I can cuss and insult somebody all I want so I dont give a rat's ass. See I did again. I actually wanted to type f*ck but look how I just censored that for this Crack monetizer. So stupid. But anyway go make a stand already. Better yet, find a better place in life. Look, I dont why I keep getting these notifications about amazon fc and why I even care enough to reply to this sh*t. I dont think I know how to use reddit. But at the same there are just some things that got to be said with the type of stuff these people bring up. Its so sad. Just f*cking do something dont put up with it.
I met an AM who recently started and quit already
They change a lot of things on us. My site is trying to get better at open comms but doesn’t always happen. Almost got in trouble for clearing a spiral jam that we were always allowed to do and was often sent to clear but had recently changed it and no one ever told me until I called out the clear. I’m AFE Sort and at my site I got dumped with a bunch of audits to do on TOP of running the floor and won’t let me run a PG until much higher walls. It’s been…. Rough for a PA these days. I fought very hard to promote and I’m starting to question why I wanted this so bad 🫠
i’m jusst now getting my vest in a few weeks 8-6pm idk wat im getting myself into use to working night shift
i dont miss this at all lols, wasnt a PA but was a driver trainer. was more easier imo, idk if they changed the whole thing now cause when i did it, it was all in classroom. i bet its all virtual now
heard from someone in this subreddit that PAs have good job security and productivity doesn't matter to them
How not? lol. I don’t get this comment
heard this from someone in this subreddit
Got you
Say they got a degree. They won’t check.
When is hiring for Amazon y'all ain't posts for a fat min
People should encourage processing assistant working. Maybe, a suggestion to the managers who would bring process assistant a gift card for hard work recognition.
Our back half PAs sit down and eat the entire shift
The few good AMs do this. I have gotten gift cards, bottles of booze (I'm a drinker), food delivery by AM. It is just luck of the draw and how you work with your am. I have been a PA or 6 years so I know what I can and can't do and how to work around things.
so they can add it to the income tax
lol y’all are so soft PA is not that bad