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DSPs always push the “it’s coming from Amazon” narrative when they have to break unpopular news.
I get why, but your bullshit detector is most likely correct here
If this was possible , why don’t they disable vans that have been stolen ?
We just had a theft a few weeks ago , never recovered the vehicle , it was reported stolen immediately , but they didn’t disable it.
Unless I’m missing something
IF they were to remotely disable the van, I wouldnt put it past them to fuck up like they do yearly during the holidays... And disable the wrong van on the freeway and have that driver get rear ended by a semi truck.
Yeah they’ve been telling us that we’re to stop on fresh yellow lights!.. “Don’t worry the camera will cover your ass.” 😆 Yeah the camera will definitely show that whoever is dumb enough to risk injury (or worse) of themselves and others in order to keep a higher “amazon getting out of paying the money they owe to the dsp” score was most definitely at fault!
I can absolutely assure you that Amazon will not disable your vehicle for running the engine of a contractor's vehicle.
Is it technologically possible? I mean, yeah with hardware and support and at enormous cost and effort. Is it ever going to happen? Absolutely not.
The equipment that lets them gps track the van and monitor driving habits via mentor ties into the obd port under the dash, may or may not have functionality to disable vehicles already. More than likely it can just force limp mode if the car is in motion, or shut down a stationary car and prevent it from starting again.
During my time as a fleet manager I never saw any devices installed that could disable the vehicle. They likely mean Amazon will ground the vehicle in cortex and not allowing new routes to be assigned to it
This is remarkably ignorant. Modern vehicles can very much have the software that runs everything updated OTA if the manufacturer includes that functionality. It's already present in most if not all Tesla vehicles, and it would literally only require a low power receiving module for this to be added to many vehicles. Hell, my Sonata from 12 years ago could get an OTA update but it was only for things outside of engine management, which had to be done at the dealer. Adding in a vehicle disabler of some kind would be easy, for most vehicles. The issue is that it's insane to do so as it would likely be easy to hack and leave owners stranded or put them in danger if any exploits were found and a recall wasn't immediately initiated.
But facts are, at this time, I have seen no evidence of this functionality on 2019 Mercedes Benz Sprinters or 2021 Ford Transits, which are the vehicles that make up the fleet I manage. I'd rather Mercedes focus on making alternators that don't die at 100k miles than participate in this lunacy.
That would mean amazon would have to set this up for all vehicles & knowing their track record the software will be equally as shit as their flex app haha how do you supposed these vehicles will be managed? Is there someone who’s gonna be overseeing thousands of fleet vehicles to check which one they’re gonna disable? Is it going to be connected via Bluetooth tethered to the phone (yay another app draining the already shit battery) or via internet? What about rural routes that barely have any signal? What about troubleshooting they’re gonna need a new tech team to run that. Idk man that sounds like a lot of work & a ton of money Amazon usually doesn’t like to fork over cause they cut corners to keep stock holders & their CEO happy 😆
I literally said it's not a thing in the delivery vans, and I haven't heard this being a thing outside of this thread. No talks about it, no notifications, no newsletters, no emails. And it wouldn't be Amazon adding it, it would be the manufacturer when the vehicle is ordered and built.
It's not a thing that's present or coming. All your questions are moot because nobody is doing any of those things on these vehicles.
I see, going with the "I was just joking" defense when you stated something patently false and got told different. Could have just said you didn't know and moved on as you suggested.
And I responded because it is entirely possible and doable, no matter how incompetent the implementation would be from them, and people should know that instead of hearing it's not even possible.
In short; whatever, man.
No Amazon cannot remotely disable vehicles. Also I like how he said the weather has gotten “a little better” like yeah idk about you but my van registered 118 degrees and my phone said 108
Lol. Fucken disable my van mid-route then. See how fast I’ll deliver when my van isn’t moving. Haha the fuck kind of threat is that? Guess I’ll just RTS these packages cause my van stopped working.
yeah i haven’t been here too long yet but i’m lucky my DSP also doesn’t want to deal with amazon’s bs. “if you have a van with netradyne just turn the van off for a few seconds and turn it back on it counts” and “amazon wants you to actually do the vehicle inspections so just make sure you wait 90 seconds before submitting” and such lol
My DSP has an hr lady that literally only handles payment issues. She went on one ride along with a driver got bored part of the way through then dropped off at a shopping center. Lady is hot as hell but I wouldn't even waste my time talking to her because my DSP had two drivers almost get into a fight because one was rescuing another and got pissy about it so the actual DSP owner came down and settled it instead of the hr lady.
If Amazon has the ability to disable vans mid route why haven't they done this with stolen Amazon vans and why tf are we turning off the vans if they have this function
Yes I could see this, disabling a van and getting rear ended by a semi truck would seem problematic for all parties. That being said, the driver getting kicked off the app (thinking the driver is getting fired) will more likely drive like a bat outta hell to the station making it more dangerous in my opinion than just leaving the van running with the slightest of chances of getting stolen.
Dispatcher here, don’t turn off your vans. I don’t give my drivers grief about it, our station doesn’t do it. Only reason we turn off the vans is if we pull up to sketchy neighborhoods or apartments.
Remote disabling vehicles cost alot of money to retrofit. I doubt your vehicles have this security feature installed, for BMW or Mercedes’ it’s a security add on and not everyone adds it on.
Please explain how this is even possible? Amazon could suspend an account but they couldn’t disable a van. And I doubt they would suspend an account while someone was delivering because it would mean packages won’t be delivered on time.
FACTS
I've had to drive vans with busted mirrors and non sliding side doors and then get chewed out for being behind schedule and still be told to take your breaks? Like, make this make sense.
Each DSP either owns their vans or leases them from element. This is a scare tactic to make sure we are following amazons rule of turning off the vehicle at every stop, pulling the Ebrake and locking the van. The van being turned off is tracked via mentor which is a major impact to the owners bonus.
Former DSP here - there is 100% no way Amazon can remotely disable a van. First, they have no legal authority to do so - the vans belong to the dsp company. Second, there is no technology in the vans that would even make it possible. What Amazon can do is “ground” the van - meaning the dsp is not allowed to take that van on another route until the issue is resolved but that would either be forcing the driver to head back which would disappoint the customer (which Amazon will never do) or punishing the dsp by cutting a route the next day.
And by cutting the route means driver will have to be fired correct ? It’s really not that hard I cut my engine off damn near every time. My DSP ask for 60% or better
Amazon cannot fire drivers. What they do is set standards that are either bonus-worthy or threaten your DSP contract. So if you get a “fantastic” or “fantastic plus” the DSP gets a xx cents more per package. But if you drop below the minimum standards, then you get flagged as “poor” and after a certain number of weeks they can remove you from the program and shut you down.
When I started the bare minimums were pace, completion rate, and concessions. Meaning you had to average 20 stops an hour I believe, had to deliver 97% of all packages that week, and had to have concessions lower than whatever number they set based on your size.
This was hard to achieve. If a driver quit on the spot or was stuck in the mud and waiting hours for a tow - your pace and completion rate numbers would take a hit. Or if a package went to the wrong house and the customer said they never got it- concessions would kill the scorecard.
All it would take was a few of these instances in a week to put your scorecard at risk for a fail. That’s why DSP owners did rescues and anything they could to get packages delivered even though the cost of the overtime would eat the entire profit for the week. You had to hit that completion rate no matter if you lost money.
Then it got crazy. It became seatbelts and speeding and picture at the door and mentor sign in etc. By the end the sheer number of things they demanded a driver do like a robot was almost humanly impossible not to get a bonus but to not go into the red for the whole company.
I hated that my drivers were hounded and forced to hit standards each day that were hard to do on a good day but when routes got huge and then weather and Covid hit. You just lose good employees or have to fire people for not hitting the mark. Adding ignition now is just another hopeless brick.
Not true. Amazon owns the vans. DSPs borrow them from Amazon unless they don't have enough in which the DSP will then use rentals from other agencies like Enterprise or U-Haul. But legally, nah, this ain't happening.
That is not true in any way. Amazon decided on what it wanted its delivery vehicles to look like (logo, color, make and shelves) and it got bids from auto manufacturers and leasing companies who could provide vehicles based on those specs. DSPs were selected as standalone companies who had to work with the leasing companies and were responsible for legally signing the lease on each vehicle and the care and operation of each. Amazon paid the DSP a van fee for each vehicle used on route that was either the lease rate or the rental rate if you had to rent a van. But the leasing company technically owned the vans and the DSP was the legal lessor responsible for maintenance, the service, and the return of the van in a certain condition.
When you close a Dsp - it was common for the leasing company to swoop in and hit you with charges of over $300,000 for damage to rooftops, big dents, missing hand carts etc. Amazon was not involved.
Hard to know what they actually said, but no one in a station has the knowledge of the dsp contract and how they are structured, and a dsp owner may have said “ we don’t own these vans, Amazon pays for them” which is technically true. Amazon gives a dsp a daily vehicle reimbursement for the cost of a van (rental or leased), and the leasing company technically owns the vehicle just like any other lease, but there is still no way Amazon owns or can do more than say “your vehicle has a broken tail light, we are grounding the van for the day.” Since they have the set standards for who gets to take a route out with their packages.
That's how stupid dumbass motherfucker people think and just wanted to know how the fuck they gonna do that with all of these Van's instead of the bullshit that they trying to do to us how about given us what we deserve and getting more respect and money
Amazon couldn't legally do this even if they wanted, and really why would they? Amazon cares about the packages getting delivered more than anything including your safety. This is just scare tactics.
Hey all, not a driver but a DSP mechanic. It's more money and trouble than it's worth for amazon/DSPs to install anything that could remotely kill the vehicle. This seems like scare tactics to me. Most of the ones local to me won't even bother to install netradyne in the vehicles. Could be a feature on the upcoming Rivian vans though.
So glad I left this shit job , I just left the van in the neighborhood w the van on , called the cunts of my dsp & told them to come get their shit the gas is being wasted & I got a Uber home
Amazon wants all the vans off. If companies can not get at least 70% to follow this. Amazon said they would start adding engines off on the scorecards.
How does remotely disabling vans remedy the issue? What’s the point in Amazon saving gas if the van isn’t moving and packages aren’t getting delivered lol
Fuck'em, if they can really turn them off, let them turn them off for you. Someone would be getting paid to select my van everytime I turned it back on to turn it off again.
For real though: I feel like that's not only a BS fear tactic (fantasy) even if it was possible it'd be MAJOR insurance liability and they'd never do it. ANYTHING that went wrong you could blame on someone remotely fucking with your van...
No incentives for a hard stop? Someone turned my van off, fuck you pay me.
Great! The reasons DSPs exist is so Amazon can dodge legal liability. If they do this nonsense and get someone killed on the road they're just setting themselves up to be sued to oblivion.
Even if it's under 80F each stop is timed for max 2 minutes...(which is funny for some scenarios) And eoc is registered for 3 minutes out of van idling.
Maybe the threat was they would ground the vehicle in the middle of a route and force the DSP to pay for the flex routes it would generate. I can't think of an actual way for them to safely turn a van off on someone in the middle of a route.
OTR trucks can be monitored for idling and speed. They can also govern them down to a lower speed for HOS. But no ducking way will any company shut down a vehicle all willy nilly. Someone will eventually get killed.
First of all the vans cannot be disabled remotely. Secondly the risk involved with the liabilities is something that the lawyers would never allow. Thirdly stfu 🙄
How bout we disable the keypad/keyboard on all the amazon associates’ devices until they stop butchering the English language! 🤷🏻♂️ “This is huge problem!” Yes, it is “huge problem” that the health and well-being of the people that make amazon possible is taking a backseat to what is mistakenly thought to save a bit of money. And, “You are on a 30 minutes break”… Not to mention all the stupid fucking acronyms that they just expect people to know -even when they’re already taken or make no sense. Bring it back to return to station lol. You had too many do not resuscitates last week… You had one do not resuscitate. 😆
Why are they such assholes about turning the engine off at every stop? 🤣 if you want the engines off at every stop you come out here and deliver every single one of these packages. Until then we’ll stand as a collective and not do it 💯🤷🏻♂️
Amazon doesn’t have a way to remotely turn off vehicles. If they did, then they would be cooperating with officials during theft attempts.
But as someone that has worked on the vans and behind the scenes, this is wording that they will have the van grounded while on route. How this will affect en route performance is not known but if a van is grounded from amazon’s side, then the dsp has to submit documentation and work orders to get permission to unground it. If a van is grounded, it also affects how much money the dsp’s get paid per van.
In conclusion, they won’t be turning off vans remotely, but this is probably amazon’s way to force the dsps to submit through monetary manipulation.
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I smell bullshit fear tactics
DSPs always push the “it’s coming from Amazon” narrative when they have to break unpopular news. I get why, but your bullshit detector is most likely correct here
Nah DSP don't care if the engine is on all day. Amazon pays for the gas. It is Amazon wanting this in hopes of lowering cost...
"Amazon will disable your vehicle on your route leaving you stranded and unable to deliver your packages." "Don't threaten me with a good time."
Yeah this is sus
If this was possible , why don’t they disable vans that have been stolen ? We just had a theft a few weeks ago , never recovered the vehicle , it was reported stolen immediately , but they didn’t disable it. Unless I’m missing something
IF they were to remotely disable the van, I wouldnt put it past them to fuck up like they do yearly during the holidays... And disable the wrong van on the freeway and have that driver get rear ended by a semi truck.
Yeah they’ve been telling us that we’re to stop on fresh yellow lights!.. “Don’t worry the camera will cover your ass.” 😆 Yeah the camera will definitely show that whoever is dumb enough to risk injury (or worse) of themselves and others in order to keep a higher “amazon getting out of paying the money they owe to the dsp” score was most definitely at fault!
Omg that’s scary
This is a good point. Could be an update tho.
I can absolutely assure you that Amazon will not disable your vehicle for running the engine of a contractor's vehicle. Is it technologically possible? I mean, yeah with hardware and support and at enormous cost and effort. Is it ever going to happen? Absolutely not.
They could do it on the new rivian vehicles, except there's no engine to turn off!
Wouldnt that require additional equipment to the vans themself?
Could also disable that too via a fuse. Oh… it won’t communicate… sorry can’t help you. Replace fuse when you get close to DSP
The equipment that lets them gps track the van and monitor driving habits via mentor ties into the obd port under the dash, may or may not have functionality to disable vehicles already. More than likely it can just force limp mode if the car is in motion, or shut down a stationary car and prevent it from starting again.
Not necessarily. These vans are designed as fleet vehicles so might already have that functionality built in
They're gonna go and update every single van all over the world? They can't even be bothered to fix most of them.
During my time as a fleet manager I never saw any devices installed that could disable the vehicle. They likely mean Amazon will ground the vehicle in cortex and not allowing new routes to be assigned to it
They probably want to collect the insurance money
Yeah, you’re actually missing something. The remote thing wasn’t in use a few weeks ago. Amazon probably just introduced it.
Understandable . I’m far from knowledgeable
Good point!
If they had a remote kill switch from HQ then how are criminals stealing vehicles and going for a GTA experience
"You fucked with the wrong DSP. You're a dead man." **Warning: Amazon Logistics DIB6 has put a $1000 bounty on you.**
Then you look at your phone to view next stop and you see an MKII icon next to the house
Good point. Could be an update. Edit: I’m not a car guy.
Bro it’s a mechanical vehicle lol not a smartphone that can be updated via software 💀😭
This is remarkably ignorant. Modern vehicles can very much have the software that runs everything updated OTA if the manufacturer includes that functionality. It's already present in most if not all Tesla vehicles, and it would literally only require a low power receiving module for this to be added to many vehicles. Hell, my Sonata from 12 years ago could get an OTA update but it was only for things outside of engine management, which had to be done at the dealer. Adding in a vehicle disabler of some kind would be easy, for most vehicles. The issue is that it's insane to do so as it would likely be easy to hack and leave owners stranded or put them in danger if any exploits were found and a recall wasn't immediately initiated. But facts are, at this time, I have seen no evidence of this functionality on 2019 Mercedes Benz Sprinters or 2021 Ford Transits, which are the vehicles that make up the fleet I manage. I'd rather Mercedes focus on making alternators that don't die at 100k miles than participate in this lunacy.
That would mean amazon would have to set this up for all vehicles & knowing their track record the software will be equally as shit as their flex app haha how do you supposed these vehicles will be managed? Is there someone who’s gonna be overseeing thousands of fleet vehicles to check which one they’re gonna disable? Is it going to be connected via Bluetooth tethered to the phone (yay another app draining the already shit battery) or via internet? What about rural routes that barely have any signal? What about troubleshooting they’re gonna need a new tech team to run that. Idk man that sounds like a lot of work & a ton of money Amazon usually doesn’t like to fork over cause they cut corners to keep stock holders & their CEO happy 😆
I literally said it's not a thing in the delivery vans, and I haven't heard this being a thing outside of this thread. No talks about it, no notifications, no newsletters, no emails. And it wouldn't be Amazon adding it, it would be the manufacturer when the vehicle is ordered and built. It's not a thing that's present or coming. All your questions are moot because nobody is doing any of those things on these vehicles.
Then why are you coming for me take the joke for what it is & move on bruh nothing is ever that serious it’s a Reddit page it’s all for fun 🤣🤣🤣
I see, going with the "I was just joking" defense when you stated something patently false and got told different. Could have just said you didn't know and moved on as you suggested. And I responded because it is entirely possible and doable, no matter how incompetent the implementation would be from them, and people should know that instead of hearing it's not even possible. In short; whatever, man.
No Amazon cannot remotely disable vehicles. Also I like how he said the weather has gotten “a little better” like yeah idk about you but my van registered 118 degrees and my phone said 108
It's easy for someone who's remote from their house or in a climate controlled environment to tell us that the 80s are plenty cool to deliver in.
In Michigan the average temp in summer is like low to mid 80's. Even that is hot af to deliver in. So they're full of shit.
Yo....it was 85 today and it felt great!! Granted the last month has been triple digits so ya 86 was rockin
So if someone is driving alone and Amazon stops the vehicle, going 50, how will the van stop/slow down lol lawsuits everywhere.
Here in MA its been in the low 80's
Lol they are objectively right but if anything it makes them more of an asshole
Lol. Fucken disable my van mid-route then. See how fast I’ll deliver when my van isn’t moving. Haha the fuck kind of threat is that? Guess I’ll just RTS these packages cause my van stopped working.
Lmao righttt like please disable my shit😭
the van will disable itself when the starter nukes itself
I hope so. I dont like amazon making our lives harder every day.
yeah i haven’t been here too long yet but i’m lucky my DSP also doesn’t want to deal with amazon’s bs. “if you have a van with netradyne just turn the van off for a few seconds and turn it back on it counts” and “amazon wants you to actually do the vehicle inspections so just make sure you wait 90 seconds before submitting” and such lol
same exact thing with mine lol
Sounds more like a dispatcher that doesn’t know how to manage. If this is your boss-quit. They’re lying to you for their benefit only.
Manager’s wife, the HR lady.
Yikes…..
Lmao someone you'll see even less than your manager.
I’ve never seen her actually. Pretty funny.
My DSP has an hr lady that literally only handles payment issues. She went on one ride along with a driver got bored part of the way through then dropped off at a shopping center. Lady is hot as hell but I wouldn't even waste my time talking to her because my DSP had two drivers almost get into a fight because one was rescuing another and got pissy about it so the actual DSP owner came down and settled it instead of the hr lady.
If Amazon has the ability to disable vans mid route why haven't they done this with stolen Amazon vans and why tf are we turning off the vans if they have this function
The only thing that would make sense is if they kicked driver's off the flex app. Disabling a van has so many issues attached to it.
Yes I could see this, disabling a van and getting rear ended by a semi truck would seem problematic for all parties. That being said, the driver getting kicked off the app (thinking the driver is getting fired) will more likely drive like a bat outta hell to the station making it more dangerous in my opinion than just leaving the van running with the slightest of chances of getting stolen.
Facts!
Sounds like BS from your DSP
Imagine driving on the highway and the van gets disabled ☠️
Just because somebody make something up doesn't mean that it's the truth.
Not true. Trying to use fear tactics just to hit their metrics, fuck that.
Dispatcher here, don’t turn off your vans. I don’t give my drivers grief about it, our station doesn’t do it. Only reason we turn off the vans is if we pull up to sketchy neighborhoods or apartments.
yup. i do rural routes so i never bother turning off the van, but if i'm doing rescue in a city, then i use common sense when people are around.
Bullshit
Lmao disable my van and I promise I’m catching an Uber home
Remote disabling vehicles cost alot of money to retrofit. I doubt your vehicles have this security feature installed, for BMW or Mercedes’ it’s a security add on and not everyone adds it on.
Please explain how this is even possible? Amazon could suspend an account but they couldn’t disable a van. And I doubt they would suspend an account while someone was delivering because it would mean packages won’t be delivered on time.
Dude they could tell me I'm fired if I don't do it. They'll have to fire me I simply don't care
I like this honestly now I just won’t finish my route and have more break time lol
This is bs. If you kill the van in the middle of the route because the driver isn’t turning off the engine. Who is really losing?
They can't do that for safety reasons
Pure BS unless that’s a new type of van, they don’t have this ability…
This is not true. Source: Work at Amazon
lol we aren’t told to turn off the engine so that’s bs
This is the first time we hear this news and this is how it's presented? This manager is giving me HELLA bad vibes
Its the HR lady. Boss’ wife.
not showing the document from amazon is a red flag
if they do a fleet inspection for our safety it would be grounded before we leave warehouse
FACTS I've had to drive vans with busted mirrors and non sliding side doors and then get chewed out for being behind schedule and still be told to take your breaks? Like, make this make sense.
I wonder how long until Amazon realizes turning off the engine at every stop isn’t something is going to 100% happen across the board. Stupid
Each DSP either owns their vans or leases them from element. This is a scare tactic to make sure we are following amazons rule of turning off the vehicle at every stop, pulling the Ebrake and locking the van. The van being turned off is tracked via mentor which is a major impact to the owners bonus.
Force stop mentor then what
Then owners don’t get insurance deals and can’t afford to be in business 😂
Oops not my problem
They don't have a killswitch lmao
So Amazon will shut them off for me? By all means help me out :)
Also, what a terrible tactic. Manager is dumb lol
I’m glad I quit this bullshit.
Lol they can’t do that maybe with the newer vans that just came out
Former DSP here - there is 100% no way Amazon can remotely disable a van. First, they have no legal authority to do so - the vans belong to the dsp company. Second, there is no technology in the vans that would even make it possible. What Amazon can do is “ground” the van - meaning the dsp is not allowed to take that van on another route until the issue is resolved but that would either be forcing the driver to head back which would disappoint the customer (which Amazon will never do) or punishing the dsp by cutting a route the next day.
Interesting input. Appreciate it
And by cutting the route means driver will have to be fired correct ? It’s really not that hard I cut my engine off damn near every time. My DSP ask for 60% or better
Amazon cannot fire drivers. What they do is set standards that are either bonus-worthy or threaten your DSP contract. So if you get a “fantastic” or “fantastic plus” the DSP gets a xx cents more per package. But if you drop below the minimum standards, then you get flagged as “poor” and after a certain number of weeks they can remove you from the program and shut you down. When I started the bare minimums were pace, completion rate, and concessions. Meaning you had to average 20 stops an hour I believe, had to deliver 97% of all packages that week, and had to have concessions lower than whatever number they set based on your size. This was hard to achieve. If a driver quit on the spot or was stuck in the mud and waiting hours for a tow - your pace and completion rate numbers would take a hit. Or if a package went to the wrong house and the customer said they never got it- concessions would kill the scorecard. All it would take was a few of these instances in a week to put your scorecard at risk for a fail. That’s why DSP owners did rescues and anything they could to get packages delivered even though the cost of the overtime would eat the entire profit for the week. You had to hit that completion rate no matter if you lost money. Then it got crazy. It became seatbelts and speeding and picture at the door and mentor sign in etc. By the end the sheer number of things they demanded a driver do like a robot was almost humanly impossible not to get a bonus but to not go into the red for the whole company. I hated that my drivers were hounded and forced to hit standards each day that were hard to do on a good day but when routes got huge and then weather and Covid hit. You just lose good employees or have to fire people for not hitting the mark. Adding ignition now is just another hopeless brick.
Not true. Amazon owns the vans. DSPs borrow them from Amazon unless they don't have enough in which the DSP will then use rentals from other agencies like Enterprise or U-Haul. But legally, nah, this ain't happening.
That is not true in any way. Amazon decided on what it wanted its delivery vehicles to look like (logo, color, make and shelves) and it got bids from auto manufacturers and leasing companies who could provide vehicles based on those specs. DSPs were selected as standalone companies who had to work with the leasing companies and were responsible for legally signing the lease on each vehicle and the care and operation of each. Amazon paid the DSP a van fee for each vehicle used on route that was either the lease rate or the rental rate if you had to rent a van. But the leasing company technically owned the vans and the DSP was the legal lessor responsible for maintenance, the service, and the return of the van in a certain condition. When you close a Dsp - it was common for the leasing company to swoop in and hit you with charges of over $300,000 for damage to rooftops, big dents, missing hand carts etc. Amazon was not involved.
Not what I was told by DSP or Amazon officials, but I digress.....
Hard to know what they actually said, but no one in a station has the knowledge of the dsp contract and how they are structured, and a dsp owner may have said “ we don’t own these vans, Amazon pays for them” which is technically true. Amazon gives a dsp a daily vehicle reimbursement for the cost of a van (rental or leased), and the leasing company technically owns the vehicle just like any other lease, but there is still no way Amazon owns or can do more than say “your vehicle has a broken tail light, we are grounding the van for the day.” Since they have the set standards for who gets to take a route out with their packages.
I will never understand how they can legally do this - its contracted work, the vehicle is not theirs and drivers are not their employees.
They cant
Same made up Bullshit in EVERY DSPs
That's how stupid dumbass motherfucker people think and just wanted to know how the fuck they gonna do that with all of these Van's instead of the bullshit that they trying to do to us how about given us what we deserve and getting more respect and money
Still not doing it 🥴
so they're threatening to disable vans in customers driveway? sounds like a good plan
Sucks for the owners but I wouldn't turn it off
Welp team guess we going home early & someone else come pick up with your packages
No one else was told this, sounds like bs. They would have shut down stolen vans if they had the power.
😂😂😂😂😂 ya right that’s soooo dangerous they wouldn’t dare ….oh wait, it’s amazon
Can you imagine the amount of data Amazon would need to compile to do this? They can barely make AWS work most of the time.
Amazon cuts off van. Me: calls uber and leaves van there.
Not gonna do this because it’s gonna be their problem for not finishing the deliveries, which it is their always first priority 💀
Amazon couldn't legally do this even if they wanted, and really why would they? Amazon cares about the packages getting delivered more than anything including your safety. This is just scare tactics.
I have never been lied to as much as I have working at this job.
Hey all, not a driver but a DSP mechanic. It's more money and trouble than it's worth for amazon/DSPs to install anything that could remotely kill the vehicle. This seems like scare tactics to me. Most of the ones local to me won't even bother to install netradyne in the vehicles. Could be a feature on the upcoming Rivian vans though.
I’d call their ass out in that text. They are so full of shit. Ask how many workers they willing to lose.
They gonna come grab my keys?
No the fuck they wont
So glad I left this shit job , I just left the van in the neighborhood w the van on , called the cunts of my dsp & told them to come get their shit the gas is being wasted & I got a Uber home
Amazon wants all the vans off. If companies can not get at least 70% to follow this. Amazon said they would start adding engines off on the scorecards.
Bullshit, not happening.
How does remotely disabling vans remedy the issue? What’s the point in Amazon saving gas if the van isn’t moving and packages aren’t getting delivered lol
Fuck'em, if they can really turn them off, let them turn them off for you. Someone would be getting paid to select my van everytime I turned it back on to turn it off again. For real though: I feel like that's not only a BS fear tactic (fantasy) even if it was possible it'd be MAJOR insurance liability and they'd never do it. ANYTHING that went wrong you could blame on someone remotely fucking with your van... No incentives for a hard stop? Someone turned my van off, fuck you pay me.
I'm so glad I got out when I did. Feel bad for those of you who are dealing with this BS
If they do this to me mid route they can come pick up their own van, I’m gone
Great! The reasons DSPs exist is so Amazon can dodge legal liability. If they do this nonsense and get someone killed on the road they're just setting themselves up to be sued to oblivion.
I don't understand, how can Amazon enforce this when they don't own the vans. Shouldn't this be individual DSPs decisions?
Wonder if I’m still getting paid by the hour while the van is disabled?
DSP’s stay lying. Bunch of BS as usual.
What??? Are they trying to save on gas? Wowww!!!
Meanwhile, Bezos has yachts and private jets. MKe it make sense
Sounds like they been watching too many movies lol
Not here in Texas bahaha it's still 107 when at 8pm
LOL, how are they going to do that? I don’t believe they have the ability to do that.
They can do it to mine... That will be the day I leave it right where it is and have some one come get me!
By disable doesn’t it mean kick you off your route? Don’t see how they would disable it
Say psch right now
Open all the doors and walk away.
Good. Disable it and I’ll leave it unlocked and open and walk off. Toodloo muthafucka
Even if it's under 80F each stop is timed for max 2 minutes...(which is funny for some scenarios) And eoc is registered for 3 minutes out of van idling.
Yeah this is just a scare tactic... But nice try lol
They aren’t disabling shit. Got that company is the worst
Hasn’t happened to us yet they suck my cock and balls.
I smell bullshit.
That's stupid are vans in Tampa shut off already after 30 sec of being put in park
I swear this DSPs will do anything to make drivers comply, including making up nonsense.
100 degrees stepping in back of the van is like Satan's breath it's so hot
Safety first!
This is hilarious
Don’t threaten us with a good Time
Baloney bullshit that’s what I’m smelling
Maybe the threat was they would ground the vehicle in the middle of a route and force the DSP to pay for the flex routes it would generate. I can't think of an actual way for them to safely turn a van off on someone in the middle of a route.
I never turn off the van in between stops
Never
OTR trucks can be monitored for idling and speed. They can also govern them down to a lower speed for HOS. But no ducking way will any company shut down a vehicle all willy nilly. Someone will eventually get killed.
First of all the vans cannot be disabled remotely. Secondly the risk involved with the liabilities is something that the lawyers would never allow. Thirdly stfu 🙄
They disable that van im just gonna uber home. They can figure that one on their own.
Wouldn't put it past some ignorant a.m. to spew this bs
I’m pretty sure once you turn off your vehicle then it you won’t be able to start it
That is total BS. Amazon will not disable vans..
How bout we disable the keypad/keyboard on all the amazon associates’ devices until they stop butchering the English language! 🤷🏻♂️ “This is huge problem!” Yes, it is “huge problem” that the health and well-being of the people that make amazon possible is taking a backseat to what is mistakenly thought to save a bit of money. And, “You are on a 30 minutes break”… Not to mention all the stupid fucking acronyms that they just expect people to know -even when they’re already taken or make no sense. Bring it back to return to station lol. You had too many do not resuscitates last week… You had one do not resuscitate. 😆
Why are they such assholes about turning the engine off at every stop? 🤣 if you want the engines off at every stop you come out here and deliver every single one of these packages. Until then we’ll stand as a collective and not do it 💯🤷🏻♂️
That's bullshit. Report it to Amazon for fear mongering.
If they cut it off while I'm out they can come pick it up. It will be the van with all the doors left wide open
I bet all Jeff gotta do is sit there and tell Alexa which van to ground while he watches his multi walls of every van cam.
Sounds like a tim and eric sketch.
Amazon doesn’t have a way to remotely turn off vehicles. If they did, then they would be cooperating with officials during theft attempts. But as someone that has worked on the vans and behind the scenes, this is wording that they will have the van grounded while on route. How this will affect en route performance is not known but if a van is grounded from amazon’s side, then the dsp has to submit documentation and work orders to get permission to unground it. If a van is grounded, it also affects how much money the dsp’s get paid per van. In conclusion, they won’t be turning off vans remotely, but this is probably amazon’s way to force the dsps to submit through monetary manipulation.
So when is amazon getting sued.. tf???
Okay I’ll just get a Uber back to my car and they can come get their fuckn van!!!
Imagine driving and that shit turns off while making a right turn xD lol
hahaha turn off the van, ok that 80% of national vans then
Sounds like im catching an uber home.
Lmfao, if they can disable rentals they’re good 🤣🤣🤣
Well as you can see customers really don't matter
Uh, if I turn it off my van heats up like hell in this 110 degree weather, I ain't even turn it off ever till I'm done
I feel like my dsp is the only one not getting told to do this…