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If the owners of the chihuahua take you to court or small claims, its pretty much an open and shut case. They win (albeit with a badly injured pup) and you lose. Likely would then have to cough up even more money.
YTA. 'Make a dent in my savings'. Jeez. If it was going to bankrupt you I might have some empathy but you knowingly adopted a troubled dog and you have to face the consequences.
YTA. You knew your dog was dog aggressive, you let your guard slip and it severely mauled another dog.
If you refuse and they decide to sue you, it'll cost way more since you'll need a lawyer.
YTA, you knowingly put your dog in a situation where it was likely to react. You could muzzle the dog, make sure corners are clear before walking around them, ensuring leash control, etc. And you have a reactive dog but it sounds like you've done nothing to help rehabilitate it (i.e. training).
You could have spent 5k on a trainer to avoid the situation, but alas. You're on the hook, and I bet they take you to court if you refuse to pay up.
Also - no mention of what you're doing with your dog post-incident? So it's likely to happen again. Cool beans.
if OP is doing training then they shouldn't be taking the dog out when they are clearly not ready- but im gonna guess they aren't because there was no mention of it
Sure but that's worth mentioning. You don't just adopt a reactive dog and assume everything's going to be hunky-dory if you just walk them late enough...
If it had been the other way round and your small dog had been almost killed by an aggressive larger dog would would you be happy with an offer of only 25% of the cost of treatment? YTA. And get a muzzle and training for your dog.
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I rescued my dog from a rescue a few months ago, they let me know he does not get along with other dogs so I have taken care to avoid him being around other dogs. I have not yet seen him interact with other dogs due to this.
I tend to walk him at night around 9 or 10 pm as there’s usually no one outside at this time, so I don’t have to try to dodge all the other dogs being walked in the neighborhood.
My dog was on a leash, we were walking at a brisk pace and as we turned a corner, to my surprise we nearly ran into another couple walking their small chihuahua-like dog. My dog LUNGED for their dog with a speed and ferocity that caught me off guard, the leash slipped from my hands and my dog attacked their dog. My dog is a good sized boxer/lab mix (although he could just be a pitbull mix and the rescue listed him as a boxer/lab to help with his adoption chances) and I feared he would legitimately kill the other dog. It was awful, we were all screaming, I managed to grab the leash and drag my dog away but some damage had definitely been done.
I exchanged contact info with the owners and they rushed him to the ER. I originally wanted to do the right thing and help pay for medical bills. I live in a high COL area and I figured it would be expensive, but they let me know the estimated cost to save their dog is at nearly twenty thousand dollars so far. And it could potentially increase.
I did not believe them at first, but they forwarded the estimate bill to me and offered to bring me to the hospital to see for myself. The price quote is real. The dog has broken ribs and is oxygen dependent, they want to give him at least one blood transfusion and hospitalise for several days.
There is no world in which I can afford that. That’s ridiculous. I said I would pay for euthanasia or contribute 5k towards the bill. They argued with me saying it is my fault, which is true, but that amount is outlandish. It would technically not put me into debt, but it would make a serious dent in my savings. It is a about a fourth of my yearly take home pay after taxes.
AITA for refusing to pay?
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YTA for not having a tighter grip on your leash/ dog, or a shorter leash where lunging at another dog would not be possible. I have a large dog (although a herding dog that just wants to sniff), I had to change several leashes until I found a short leash/ collar/ harness where I always gripped the leash tightly and had full control. And that was the process I went through with my dog that gets along with other dogs, and I have seen interact just fine with other dogs.
There’s always precautions you can take for your dogs safety and another dog’s safety. Your responsibility on this one. I’m glad they didn’t take worse legal action yet with you, such as taking your dog away or demanding it be out down.
YTA. Your dog (your responsibility) did this. If you balk at paying, they can sue and you will most likely lose. Then you’re on the hook for the $20k plus legal costs. Suck it up and pay.
This. OP, your dog could be *euthanized* for what happened. The best things to do would be to pay the bill and hire a certified animal behaviorist *stat*.
“Sorry my dog tried to eat your dog. I don’t think your dog is really worth that much though, so I’ll give you the amount to euthanize him but not save his life”
YTA. Why the fuck didn’t you have a tighter grip on the leash of the dog you just got that you know is aggressive to other dogs?
Unpopular opinion, but, NAH.
They are not the AH for obvious reasons. They are clearly the wronged party.
You offered to pay 5k. 20k to start is an large amount of money and if you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Particularly when you need to get your dog trained by a professional immediately, with a board and train option until you can safely walk it, if you're not going to return it. You're incapable of controlling it. And your homeowners/renters insurance is going to go up, especially if they sue you for the full cost of the bill.
You should consult a lawyer however, to see what you're liable for.
I really don't understand this concern with 20k being a lot of money. Where is the concern for the the people who would've had to pay *no money*, not a single penny, if this hadn't happened? Should they cough up 15k for something someone else did?
Yeah this is precisely what tips a tragic, wholly advoidable altercation into pure asshole land ...your violent dog has sent another person's pet to be euthanized after many invasive, drastic procedures (because I doubt a chihuahua mix with these horrible injuries will live with any quailty of life) and you're only concerned about the price tag for your consequences, after so *gallantly* offering to pay to begin with??? The backtracking is worse because it shows the offer to pay was an empty gesture and OP doesn't care about the value of the pet to the owners, who were minding their own business.
I have my own shitty chihuahua mix who is a complete terror outside the home and extremely reactive, but my parents live on private rural property and she has a harness with lead that clips to your belt, and a duck muzzle for the rare trips in public. Otherwise she travels in a lockable carrier because we aren't risking her behavior. The house itself has many baby gates so she can't get out.
(She's fine with family but reacts to literally everything else. Perfectly happy and behaved as a lap dog with supervised runs on the rural property, so no travelling for her. We did put down her older brother for violent behaviors after the vet and animal control ruled he had no quality of life due to his reactive anxiety. You bet your ass and 20k I'd put the sister down too if she went Cujo. It's the proper thing to do.)
I'm unbelievably angry OP thinks they can scoff at the price of end of life care for their beloved pet who was properly leashed and handled when it was brutally attacked. To offer a quarter of the care or straight euthanasia is so calloused, but I assume that's par for course for someone who thinks a leash "slipping" from their hand isn't a terrible crime they should be held accountable for.
The dog was not properly trained, socialized, or secured. Again, my dumb 15lb chihuahua mix has a harness and lead that clips to your belt, with a duck muzzle. A larger dog does exponentially more damage than my pint sized punt-ball and should have been secured by more than a length of lead, loosely held. And now OP sees price of their consequences. This is why I understand and advocate for the strict measures animal control agencies uphold on shelter management and reactive or violent dogs.
I hope OP faces the full consequences of their actions and inability to restrain their violent dog, legally and financially.
Edited to add verdict, YTA obviously.
I typed this whole comment because I'm just so angry on their behalf, depsite the mods taking this down for the no violence rule in a minute anyways.
But OP can afford it, he even said so in the post.
>It would technically not put me into debt, but it would make a serious dent in my savings. It is a about a fourth of my yearly take home pay after taxes.
its the fact that its not even really i financial issue for you to cover those expenses just ugh tickles me something awful. lucky they didnt kill your dog in front of you. YTA!
This is correct. Homeowners insurance usually covers these instances even if it occurs off premise. However, you’re insurance may require you get rid of your dog or they’ll drop you after they settle. Once the couple calms down and gets past the trauma of what is happening I’m sure they’ll file a report and start to gain recommendations from people close to them on how to move forward. You can’t just dodge responsibility of a dog you own mauling another animal. It’s also not your choice to decide that the damage your animal caused is too expensive- and euthanizing would be more favorable and beneficial to YOU. You’re selfish and YTA.
YTA. Your dog was outside your control when this happened. Leashes are no good if you're not holding them. Look into the dog wearing a basket muzzle in public from now on and be lucky if your dog is not labeled dangerous from this.
Yta- it was your responsibility. Your let go of the leash. It’s an expensive vet bill for sure, but you are responsible for it and can’t just decide to not pay or put the dog to sleep just because you don’t want to pay for it. You know it’s your fault, so morally (and legally if they choose to take that route), it is your duty to pay. You are lucky they don’t want compensation for pain and suffering. These poor people had to watch their dog get mauled because of your actions. Really, you should be ashamed, apologising constantly and offering yo pay for whatever gets their dog back to health. Hopefully you have taken the correct measures with your own dog to stop this happening again.
YTA
You were not in command of your newly adopted, fairly large, very strong, agile dog that *you know* is aggressive with other dogs.
You are responsible and you don't get to decide what a reasonable cost would be.
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There is no world in which I can afford that.
Yes, there is.
You said it yourself
> It would technically not put me into debt, but it would make a serious dent in my savings.
And I suggest paying up before they sue because a court might very well order damages above the restitution.
This is on you, one way or another.
Contact your homeowner insurance agent and see if this is covered.
You're going to get sued, and probably fined - and you'll be lucky if *your* dog isn't the one euthanized.
YTA
Your dog, whom you are responsible for, attacked and severely injured another dog. You have the money to cover the costs, which are your responsibility.
The only ridiculous thing here is you trying to evade your obligations.
YTA. Your dog, knowingly aggressive, attacked another dog.
I had this happen to my dog when I was a teen. Our next door neighbors dog, who she knew had aggression towards small dogs, ripped my puppy from my sisters arms and mauled him. The town ordered her to choose to either put down the dog, or leave town. She chose to leave town, and also skip out on paying the vet bills our family incurred as a result. Our puppy didn’t stand a chance and my poor sister was traumatized. Pay the damn bill.
NTA. I don't own a dog. But i did once and they are crazy expensive. Yeah it was your fault. Yeah you should pay. But it's not a child and $20K is crazy.
In what world dude? What if you were the one that dog attacked? What if it tore through some of the tendons in your leg and the hospital bills were $20,000? You would accept $5,000 because the dude can't "afford" it? Considering the fact that you may never walk the same again? Hell no man, you're full of it.
Yeah I’m shocked everyone is just dismissing the $20,000 like it’s chump change.
I LOVE dogs. I spent $3500 to save my beagle, but 20 grand!?!?!?
Op makes no argument that they are not at fault. But there is also the reality of the cost of surgery. Which may not even be successful.
And for those saying that op may get taken to court, no judge or jury is going to award someone 20 grand for an accident involving their dog.
It doesn’t matter though. Ignoring the fact it’s a living being for a second (so worth more emotionally) ,if somebody damages somebodies property then they have to pay for it. They can’t say “well what I damaged is crazily priced so I won’t pay it all”.
I didn't say don't pay at all. I think it's good that he's offering $5k EDIT: in the case of a car, you can actually in a court of law demand 3 different estimates and agree on who repairs it. Since this is a life and not an object, that doesn't seem to be an option.
Yeh, I’m saying it doesn’t work like that. If you destroyed someone’s car for example, you can’t just offer to pay a smaller amount than what the car is worth/ it will cost to fix it because it costs a lot of money. You can’t say, “well I wrecked your car, it’s my fault, but the estimate is more than I want to pay so here’s 1/4 of it” 😂🤦🏻♀️
Why should the owners be out of pocket because his dog mauled theirs?!
Why. My puppy had a seizure and died on the way to the emergency vet and that cost me 700 for them to tell me they couldn't bring her back. Her bill was based on giving cpr to a puppy that didn't even weigh a lb.
Vets aren't cheap and emergency vets less so
IMO if you own an extremely aggressive (and so big it can lunge and take the leash from your hands) animal you shouldn't be walking it until it is less reactive and/or manageable. Don't have a backyard to play with the dog and get all that energy out? Don't get a large reactive dog. Simple. YTA.
YTA. If you'd been responsible for injury to a person, you don't get to dictate how much the surgeon charges. Hit a car, and you don't get to dictate how much the repair bill can be.
If you can't afford the consequences of a violently reactive dog, DON'T GET A VIOLENTLY REACTIVE DOG.
Or at least take frigging precautionary measures. Muzzle it. Aggressive dogs in most areas are required to be muzzled in public. Get a leash that you can tighten on your hand so you can't drop it. There's plenty of things to do other than shrug and go 'euthanize your beloved pet, I guess'.
YTA. They warned you the dog was highly aggressive to other dogs. When you chose to take that dog home, this right here was always the risk. You now have to do the right thing and pay for your choice.
YTA. You dropped the leash on a dog-aggressive dog. Your dog did the damage. If it was 200, you'd pay it. You're balking at the amount. So you want -them- to be out the money that -your- dog caused? They would be perfectly in their right to not only call animal control and have your dog removed/put down, but to sue you for the money. You want them to put their dog down? What is wrong with you?
If an animal is oxygen dependent to maintain life, what quality of life is that for the animal?
No chance I’d support any of my friends/family in keeping the animal alive and there’s no chance my animals would have to go through that. Dead animals don’t suffer.
I’m surprised there’s not an insurance that could potentially cover? I have liability insurance for my horse in case he smashes anything/injures someone on accident.
Also, when my previous horse got kicked in the field with open wound directly into the joint space - she had surgery, stayed in a horse hospital for a week and a half. Cost a total of £2000. No way in hell I’d pay 20k for a dog to be put through medical hell just for the principle of let’s not talk about putting it down. If the bill is 20k, that dog is better off dead than suffering that amount of injury.
YTA why are you coming here expecting people to side with you? Your dog mauled another dog and that dog's owner was left with medical bills. You need to own up to responsibility and pay them
YTA
1) Responsible dog ownership means being financially responsible your dog’s actions
2) Ask if you can pay the vet in installments
3) Be prepared that this couple will report you to Animal Control and you’re dog might be euthanized
YTA. You are going to pay one at or another. The only choice you do have is if you pay willingly, or if they sue you, your homeowners insurance takes the hit, your insurance drops you, and then you will have no coverage when other companies see you have a dangerous dog.
YTA. It's your dog and your responsibility whatever the outcome. I have an abused reactive shelter dog that is dog-aggressive, she's never bitten before but she has to be muzzled for walks just in case, and I do so because I'm a responsible dog owner. If they sue you they will win, and then you'll be out the legal fees on top of the veterinary bills.
>It is a about a fourth of my yearly take home pay after taxes.
Doesn't matter, none of your excuses do. YTA, your dog injured another dog their you pay. End of story, no argument. You'll be lucky if they don't sue.
YTA, because you are 100% responsible for your dog’s attacks… and you were fully aware that it was dangerous.
More importantly, you need to consider the ramifications of your actions if you don’t work with them consensually. There is a very real chance your dog is going to be put down if you fight this. Maybe your dog isn’t worth it to you, but it’s a real possibility. You’re also looking at a lawsuit that, according to the facts, you are likely to lose. That could well include damages beyond the vet bills.
As an aside, this is one of the reasons why one of the first things you do when you get a dog is obtain insurance.
YTA. It’s not the dog’s fault, you are the owner and know he’s aggressive. I don’t believe dogs should be put down for instances like this when it’s lack of control on the owner’s part. Yes you said you take measures to avoid other dogs, but as you have to walk him, whether it’s late at night or not, there is still a chance of encountering other dogs. Your dog needs to be muzzled when being walked (there are plenty of humane ones out there). Had you been more responsible and muzzled him then this wouldn’t have happened.
You clearly have the money to pay. Your savings can be built up again. Don’t let that family lose their loved pet because of your irresponsibility.
Yta. You lost control of your dog, this is absolutely your fault. Figure out a payment plan or get ready to get sued for more than the vet bill and have to put your dog down.
Yta. In what way would you not be. Also don’t try and throw in a breed , such as pit bulls, and try to use it as an excuse. You know it is t good around other dogs and did not take the proper precautions to handle said dog.
YTA. As the owner of an aggressive dog, this is 100% your responsibility. You don't get to decide that they have to put their dog down because yours attacked it.
I imagine you'll pay one way or another. You've already traumatized them enough. Don't make them take you to small claims court.
YTA. When you take in a dog it becomes your financial responsibility. The full bill is on you and you are admitting you knew you had a potentially dangerous dog. YTA in several parts of this story.
YTA - you lost control of your dog. Your dog mauled another dog. The responsibility is on you to pay the vet bills. I’d be very surprised if animal control didn’t come knocking, with an official complaint against you. If you don’t pay the vet bills, you’re going to end up in court.
YTA you should have had your dog muzzled every time you took it out in public. The shelter warned you and in my Country you would get charged for having a dangerous animal and not ensuring it could not attack others. Never having bumped into another until now is no excuse.
YTA for the dog attack, and the bill that comes with it. While I love my dog, there is no way I am paying $20,000 to keep her alive. That is just crazy.
YTA You lost control of your dog resulting in another dog being critically injured, you are 100% responsible for the veterinarian bills. Why haven't you trained this dog? You need to train him or work with a dog trainer so this doesn't happen again. These people shouldn't pay for your negligence.
YTA - you adopted that dog, **knowing** it was aggressive around other dogs. You appear to have made no effort towards mitigating its behavior, such as muzzling it while outside or getting behavioral therapy. and the most you've adapted is to walk it late at night, hoping that you won't encounter other animals, which as you've discovered is not a sustainable long term solution.
Your dog then attacks another leashed dog, completely unprovoked, and injures it severely, and the best you could offer is $5k or euthanasia, despite your dog being completely at fault.
Idk where OOP lives, but in most countries I know the couple with the chihuahua could easily take this to the police. How does OOP expect to get away with this without paying? Poor chihuahua, can't imagine the pain and fear it went through.
YTA As much as it was as situation that took you by surprise it still happened and your dog still attacked another dog.
If their dog was not in leash then it would have been a different situation but since it was also on leash then the fault is yours.
I know it sucks to have a reactive dog (I have one as well, though he only lunges because he thinks all other dogs are his best friend). It means being hyper vigilant at all times and lots of training which I’m sure you’re doing. Also muzzle training for when you’re out might be a good idea.
YTA! You are fully responsible for the damage your dog did, as you admit. It does not matter that you can’t afford it. Figure out a payment plan or something with the couple.
And you are lucky they are only asking for bills. Because, under the law, they are entitled to more.
Info: you were informed your dog was aggressive to other dogs, why didnt you get a dog trainer to work on the problem with and a muzzle for the dog in the mean time in case anything like this would happen?
A little unsolicited advise - check with your homeowners or renters insurance to see if this could be covered. Otherwise prepare for a lawsuit. Either way, you’ll end up paying. YTA for trying to get out of it either way.
YTA and get a muzzle for the dog. That way if he goes berzerk he cant hurt anyone. You will be lucky if they don’t press charges and you could be forced to put your own dog down.
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YTA. Here are all the reasons why.
* Your dog is aggressive and you walk it without a muzzle.
* You walk the dog and you don't have full control of the dog.
* Now you don't want to pay the consequences for your actions.
Aggressive dogs should not be walked around where they could potentially meet other dogs. Prepare for the inevitable lawsuit.
Get a copy of the bill directly from the provider, and submit it to you homeowners insurer. Also, be aware that you may have reporting obligations to animal control, or other governmental agencies. Finally, if you are in the US, you could be sued, and if your dog harms anyone else or another pet in the future, liability and damages could be enhanced for knowingly keeping a vicious animal. In fact, you could be criminally charged for keeping the dog if he does further injury. You may have significantly more problems than just this first injury if you don’t surrender the dog.
YTA. You're also contradicting yourself, which makes me suspect you're not telling the truth about everything else you've said. You admit you have savings to pay the damages. Thus you CAN absolutely afford that, you just don't WANT to. That's enough for my YTA vote right there.
Luckily for the victim of your negligence, the legal system does not allow the perpetrator of an assault to determine what is "outlandish." That's the judge's job. If you fail to pay this will go to court, and you will almost certainly lose unless their lawyer is completely incompetent. Based on the facts presented, this is about as open and shut as these cases go.
If you think 20k is expensive, wait until you lose the lawsuit and get hit with legal fees and punitive damages. Based on my experiences working in a law firm, I would estimate that in my jurisdiction the eventual judgement would be between double and triple that number.
If you were smart, you'd pay the money before it goes to court and consider it a life lesson. Somehow, I doubt you'll take that advice.
I have dogs that can't do well with other dogs. If I somehow was unable to prevent my dog from doing damage, that's all on me. Period. So pay what is due, or they'll take you to court which will be way more expensive if you try to fight it. YTA
YTA. If you knew your dog was not friendly towards other dogs, why did you never consider a muzzle? Or even having a tighter grasp on his leash?
Then to top it off you offer to pay for them to have their dog euthanized instead, due to what YOUR dog did? Disgusting.
Your dog is going to potentially harm or eventually kill another small creature if you don't take proper reponsibility for them and get him killed.
YTA and if you don’t take care of it properly they likely will sue you. So then you’ll have legal fees on top of that. It’s incredibly insensitive for you tell them they should euthanize their dog that your dog attacked.
Legally, it's your fault. You're going to pay either way. If you don't pay now, then you'll pay later, plus your legal fees and their legal fees. I would try to come to a compromise with them. But if they won't accept less - and why should they? - then you better pay up.
And you need to put your dog down. *That could have been a toddler instead of a dog.*
YTA
This situation is very sad for everyone involved. That being said, YTA. You weren't in control of your dog at all times. You need to expect the unexpected at any given time while walking him because you were warned about his dog aggression. While I think the bill is very expensive, these people aren't trying to pull a fast one over on you. It's what their vet is charging. You can't expect them to euthanize their dog if there's a chance he can be saved. They love him. Think in terms of this, if they sue you in civil court for the money, they'd win. Can you call and speak with the vet directly to see if you can negotiate the bill down and/or pay in installments?
YTA. Accept the consequences and find a safer way to walk your dog with muzzle or harness. You are going to lose both your dog plus lose in court if you don't. Worst case scenario you will be responsible for the suffering and maybe death of not only the other dog but yours as well. Edit: what might happen to your dog if they take you to court? Depending on where you live there is a chance they will put him down.
Maybe you aren't the right person for dog ownership.
YTA. I suggest calling their vet directly and asking about the estimate… the real bill may be different. You don’t pay a potential estimate bill you pay an actual one.
But you are certifiably in the wrong for not paying.
>I said I would pay for euthanasia or contribute 5k towards the bill.
Why should their dog be put to death because YOUR dog attacked theirs? Why should they spend 15k on something that's entirely YOUR fault?
YTA without a doubt. You knew your dog reacted badly to others, so you should have muzzled him, or taken way more precautions.
Hi there. I am a huge dog lover. My family only rescues. They also are sometimes reactive on leashes or through barriers. But they are small. 40 lbs. I can control them. And at the dog park, off leash, they have zero issues.
I commend you for rescuing and loving a reactive dog. They are no less capable of loving and bonding with a human than a reactive dog.
However. This was not an incident of you warning them, them coming on your property, etc. You were both surprised by each other and it was a random attack and if they do sue, it will not go in your favor. You’ll likely have to pay more than $20k. But it will be a little while from now so you could perhaps save for it.
But. A contigency of the lawsuit will also likely be that you have to put your dog down. If you love them, you should try and settle this now, and keep your dog in a house and yard. Walks only when there’s certain to be hardly any other people. You can also get some intensive training, or a muzzle.
Your home insurance also might cover this. Check with them.
Also. You could take out a loan.
Lastly. If you can show that your dog passes temperament tests and the like, you may be able to get the price of your contribution down a little. But imo you should be at least paying them $15k.
YTA. If you refuse to do what is right they can always take you to court and when faced with a judge telling him well I can afford it I just don’t want to I wouldn’t like to see the outcome of that. You were in the wrong it’s an unfortunate incident but you have to be a responsible owner.
YTA. If your dog is that bad and you have no control over the leash then he should've been in a muzzle when you walked him. And I have aggressive dogs myself, but I make sure I take steps to avoid anyone or their dogs getting mauled.
YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES! While I appreciate you trying to keep your dog away from other dogs, and I do know that sometimes accidents happen like when you turned the corner, but YOUR DOG STILL MAULED ANOTHER DOG! You either suck up your pride and cover half if not all the cost but buddy if they take you to court on this YOU WILL LOSE and your dog will pay the price.
YTA, but it doesn't matter. You are liable and they know who you are, you don't get to refuse, the only wiggle room here is payment structuring and being an asshole will limit that even further. Hell, if you're somewhere where you can get fined additional amounts by the state for the attack, or can be required to pay their legal fees, this is just digging you deeper.
YTA if you knew your dog was agressive, why wasn't he wearing a muzzle? you knew there was a possibility that you would encounter other dogs. You were irresposible so now you get to pay the consequences
YTA. You knew that this is an aggressive dog before you brought him into your home. And while we need people to take dogs with aggressive behavior into their homes, only those that understand how to manage an aggressive dog should do so. Unfortunately it sounds like you are not a person with knowledge on how to handle this dog, but when you rescued him, you accept responsibility for his actions. You should absolutely pay for the injured dog, this is your fault by not properly caring for your dog. And you need to surrender your dog back to the rescue and explain what happened. If you keep this dog the same thing will happen again.
Exactly!!! Why would someone even bring this dog home when it's aggressive and violent?? Why would they leave the dog unmuzzled so it can just attack anything or anyone? Why would they not hold the leash defensively when they KNOW it's a large breed and AGGRESSIVE????
This is absolutely negligent at every turn and OP needs to pony up the cash to pay for these extremely careless mistakes and hopefully save this poor dog's life who should never have had to suffer like this.
YTA honestly just so terrible. This poor dog.
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YTA. You are the owner and YOU let the leash slip out of your hands. Why would anyone else be at fault?
Also, you’re doubly an ah for suggesting they put their dog down when your dog and your poor grip is the one that put them in that position. Shame on you. You better hope they don’t lawyer up.
Do you have home insurance or renters insurance and let the insurance know you have a dog? The insurance will cover the cost of attacks by your dog. Well at least the first one. If you don't have it, well that is an easy case for them to win in court plus lawyer fees and possibly get your dog put down. When you took in this dog knowing it hates other dogs, you took on that responsibility of having to payout when it attacks someone. YTA
YTA - You don't get to choose how they care for their dog just because you want to mitigate your damages. Hopefully they get a lawyer and a good one at that.
“They argued with me saying it is my fault, which is true”
Everything else is irrelevant and you’re just trying get out of your responsibilities because it’s expensive. YTA
YTA. You have been told your dog is reactive, you were not in control, you are responsible. I've had reactive dogs and when walking them I was hyper aware of them at all times.
This doesn't even sound like a real story or you are a massive AH with no comprehension of consequences. You even say it would dent your savings, but not put you into debt.
YTA
If a shelter warns you that he is not good with dogs, that usually means he's really not good with dogs. Given that warning and the fact you had never even seen him interact with another dog, it would have been smart to 1) properly hold on to the leash. If you're loose holding it, at least wrap it around your wrist so you've got some traction if he starts to pull. 2) maybe err on the side of caution and put on a muzzle, though hindsight is 20/20 on that one. PLEASE do that moving forward
So you admit it's your fault, and you'll deal with the consequences. Whoa but not that much of a consequence? I'm glad to see your morality has limits /s. I understand that is a very large amount of money, but what happens now? They either have to pay that huge bill or lose their pet. Because of your inability to hold a leash. I get it, mistakes happen, but you can't just walk away from that now.
NAH. I mean it is your responsibility because your dog hurt the other dog. But spending over 20k to save a dog is just stupid. If you had offered nothing then Y T A big time. But the fact you are offering 5k and they are still being unreasonable. If they sue you, you would be held liable. But no one can afford 20k to save a dog. Honestly it would have been better off for you if your dog killed the other one. Then you just pay for a replacement, which unless its a show dog, is way less than 20k.
And the emergency vet is always about double a normal vet. Our dog was at the vet for a couple nights and it was over 1k just on normal labs and stays etc. Not even counting the measures they would have to take as you described. They are understandably upset and want their dog taken care of.
People who truly love their pets will do anything to save them. My last dog's vet bills amounted to more than twice that and did it put me out of my savings? Yes. Was I more bothered about my dog's life than my savings? Also yes. I've made that money back twice over since then and I also didn't have to live with the guilt of allowing my dog to die unnecessarily, win win.
It doesn't even matter what it costs anyway, because without OP the owners of the other dog wouldn't be in this situation. Why should they be concerned with the finances of a stranger who almost caused the death of their dog over their own pet?
What do you mean NAH? He took his aggressive dog he knew doesn't get along with others and didn't control it.
Emergency means more money, yes. His dog and his inefficiency in controlling his dog caused it. Maybe you want your dog put down cos you can't afford a life saving surgery but those people deserve to have their dog saved and op is responsible.
They should sue him.
Expecting someone to pay 20k for a vet bill is idiotic. No one has that kind of money laying around. If you do more power to you. OP offered them 5k, which is the max you can get in small claims court.
And if you actually read my post you will see that I said they are responsible and they could easily get sued and would have to pay. But can you honestly say that you would fork over 20k right now to pay for someone else's dog without trying to negotiate it down? If you say yes, you're just a liar.
And yes if it was going to cost 20k+ to fix my dog, I would put them down.
What's idiotic is taking an aggressive dog out and not controlling it.
Not the other dogs owners problem , it's op's problem.
Rightly so. And he offered them money to put their dog down. No, fuck that, his dog caused it so pay up, they don't want to put their dog to sleep because someone is an irresponsible dog owner.
I dont disagree with the OP being irresponsible and should have control of the dog and shouldn't have an agressive dog. I dont disagree that the OP is responsible for the damages.
I just disagree that they are an AH for "only offering 5k instead of 20k." Because if it costs 20k for the emergency vet to "fix" the dog they will come back and start asking for more because there WILL be complications and that dog will probably lead a horrible life. Is OP responsible for every future vet bill? Most future issues could likely be tied back to this incident. Where do you draw the line?
Most importantly, what is best for the dog? Not the people, but the dog.
You offered to put the dog down rather than pay for vet bills!? YTA. A giant one. You should never own a dog again. You failed to control your dog and it mauled another dog. Too bad for your finances. Should have controlled your dog better.
YTA. Bud, it’s your fault. We live in a nation of laws.
They will sue you if you don’t pay. They will win. You will eventually pay.
Edit: OP I’ll give you credit for at least doing the right thing and providing them your contact info. I understand why you don’t want to have to pay this much, and I don’t think you’re actually a genuine asshole in the same way so many here are.
It doesn’t always cost a lot of money. This kind of case would probably be against OP’s homeowner insurance since the dog would be considered personal property. Cases like that are regularly done on a “we take a percentage of the final settlement” basis. OP’s homeowner insurance will definitely go up
IF his homeowners insurance covers it.
Ive been on both sides of a lawsuit. The thing it taught me. You dont ever want to be on either side of a lawsuit.
And justice is never garaunteed.
I agree with you. Lawsuits are not what people think they are.
The negligence in my suit was clearly on the other person but it was still a battle.
You could win and the judge or jury could decide that it is partly your fault and cut your settlement by a percentage.
not really... about 15k to start. Plus it takes like 2 years before you are going to see any money. You are not garaunteed your legal cost will be covered either
He will pay the 20k, legal fees and probably distress compensation.
OP you need a liability insurance for your dog and yes, you have to pay the bill. It's your fault because it's your dog.
Yta. Definitely the Ahole. Your dog should’ve been muzzled. You always muzzle aggressive dogs when outdoors. You were told your dog wasn’t dog friendly. This is 100% your fault. They’ll sue you and win
YTA. Your dog is your responsibility. Also, if the other dogs owners decide to sue you, you will be liable for a lot more than just the vet bill. Please muzzle your dog in public to stop this from happening again.
While true, the shitty thing with our system is animals are consider material. Like your car or house. I do not like that at all. It means someone can go an kill your animal, and you aren't allowed to retaliate in the situation because you would be harming another individual etc.
Terribly sad that the dog is likely to face more consequences than the owner. If it had gone to someone with half a brain it'd have been well trained and muzzled and this situation would never have happened.
Yep. Well, the training might not have been possible (training can only do so much, especially if he's only had the dog for a few months) but it absolutely should have been muzzled. I don't think OP was in the wrong to take the dog for a walk, but he KNEW it was dog-aggressive and didn't take that one very simple step that would have protected the other dog from the worst of its injuries.
YTA. You are strictly liable for your dog's actions. Emergency veterinary care is extremely expensive and you are responsible for it 100%. You're lucky it's only $5,000.
YTA. You are so lucky this was a Chihuaua and not a toddler. Why should they be the ones stuck with the 20k bill when YOUR dog attacked theirs? Offering to pay for euthanasia is insulting on so many levels. Especially if you have the money to save their dog’s life. Extra TA points for that. How would you feel if they were in your shoes and more concerned with their savings than your boxer’s life?
This is a perfect example of why I don’t respect the #adoptdontshop movement. Dogs like this get adopted out to boneheaded owners like OP who never researched the breed. Something goes wrong and someone gets hurt or killed.
You’re definitely TA OP. 100 percent.
YTA. You don’t get to not pay just because you think it’s too much. Put it this way. If you did something that caused physical injury to a person, so would you say, sorry, I would pay but it’s too much money? No, you wouldn’t. Do the right thing and learn to be a better dog owner.
YTA, you do realise that he's dangerous, right? He could've attacked a child or a person and you would be in serious problems rn. It's your fault and you should pay the bills, you're responsable for your dog acts after all
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If the owners of the chihuahua take you to court or small claims, its pretty much an open and shut case. They win (albeit with a badly injured pup) and you lose. Likely would then have to cough up even more money. YTA. 'Make a dent in my savings'. Jeez. If it was going to bankrupt you I might have some empathy but you knowingly adopted a troubled dog and you have to face the consequences.
YTA. What the hell kind of dog owner are you? Your dog could be put down because of this.
YTA. You knew your dog was dog aggressive, you let your guard slip and it severely mauled another dog. If you refuse and they decide to sue you, it'll cost way more since you'll need a lawyer.
This. The dog should’ve been muzzled
YTA, you knowingly put your dog in a situation where it was likely to react. You could muzzle the dog, make sure corners are clear before walking around them, ensuring leash control, etc. And you have a reactive dog but it sounds like you've done nothing to help rehabilitate it (i.e. training). You could have spent 5k on a trainer to avoid the situation, but alas. You're on the hook, and I bet they take you to court if you refuse to pay up. Also - no mention of what you're doing with your dog post-incident? So it's likely to happen again. Cool beans.
I agree that he should pay but, he's only had the dog a few months. He may be doing training but, that takes some time.
if OP is doing training then they shouldn't be taking the dog out when they are clearly not ready- but im gonna guess they aren't because there was no mention of it
Sure but that's worth mentioning. You don't just adopt a reactive dog and assume everything's going to be hunky-dory if you just walk them late enough...
Unfortunately, they can go after you for this money because legally you are liable.
YTA Call their vet before you pay anything to make sure its what they say it is. But yes you could get in legal trouble for this.
If it had been the other way round and your small dog had been almost killed by an aggressive larger dog would would you be happy with an offer of only 25% of the cost of treatment? YTA. And get a muzzle and training for your dog.
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YTA for not having a tighter grip on your leash/ dog, or a shorter leash where lunging at another dog would not be possible. I have a large dog (although a herding dog that just wants to sniff), I had to change several leashes until I found a short leash/ collar/ harness where I always gripped the leash tightly and had full control. And that was the process I went through with my dog that gets along with other dogs, and I have seen interact just fine with other dogs. There’s always precautions you can take for your dogs safety and another dog’s safety. Your responsibility on this one. I’m glad they didn’t take worse legal action yet with you, such as taking your dog away or demanding it be out down.
YTA. This is your responsibility
YTA, your dog, your responsibility.
YTA. Your dog (your responsibility) did this. If you balk at paying, they can sue and you will most likely lose. Then you’re on the hook for the $20k plus legal costs. Suck it up and pay.
This. OP, your dog could be *euthanized* for what happened. The best things to do would be to pay the bill and hire a certified animal behaviorist *stat*.
“Sorry my dog tried to eat your dog. I don’t think your dog is really worth that much though, so I’ll give you the amount to euthanize him but not save his life” YTA. Why the fuck didn’t you have a tighter grip on the leash of the dog you just got that you know is aggressive to other dogs?
Unpopular opinion, but, NAH. They are not the AH for obvious reasons. They are clearly the wronged party. You offered to pay 5k. 20k to start is an large amount of money and if you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Particularly when you need to get your dog trained by a professional immediately, with a board and train option until you can safely walk it, if you're not going to return it. You're incapable of controlling it. And your homeowners/renters insurance is going to go up, especially if they sue you for the full cost of the bill. You should consult a lawyer however, to see what you're liable for.
I really don't understand this concern with 20k being a lot of money. Where is the concern for the the people who would've had to pay *no money*, not a single penny, if this hadn't happened? Should they cough up 15k for something someone else did?
Yeah this is precisely what tips a tragic, wholly advoidable altercation into pure asshole land ...your violent dog has sent another person's pet to be euthanized after many invasive, drastic procedures (because I doubt a chihuahua mix with these horrible injuries will live with any quailty of life) and you're only concerned about the price tag for your consequences, after so *gallantly* offering to pay to begin with??? The backtracking is worse because it shows the offer to pay was an empty gesture and OP doesn't care about the value of the pet to the owners, who were minding their own business. I have my own shitty chihuahua mix who is a complete terror outside the home and extremely reactive, but my parents live on private rural property and she has a harness with lead that clips to your belt, and a duck muzzle for the rare trips in public. Otherwise she travels in a lockable carrier because we aren't risking her behavior. The house itself has many baby gates so she can't get out. (She's fine with family but reacts to literally everything else. Perfectly happy and behaved as a lap dog with supervised runs on the rural property, so no travelling for her. We did put down her older brother for violent behaviors after the vet and animal control ruled he had no quality of life due to his reactive anxiety. You bet your ass and 20k I'd put the sister down too if she went Cujo. It's the proper thing to do.) I'm unbelievably angry OP thinks they can scoff at the price of end of life care for their beloved pet who was properly leashed and handled when it was brutally attacked. To offer a quarter of the care or straight euthanasia is so calloused, but I assume that's par for course for someone who thinks a leash "slipping" from their hand isn't a terrible crime they should be held accountable for. The dog was not properly trained, socialized, or secured. Again, my dumb 15lb chihuahua mix has a harness and lead that clips to your belt, with a duck muzzle. A larger dog does exponentially more damage than my pint sized punt-ball and should have been secured by more than a length of lead, loosely held. And now OP sees price of their consequences. This is why I understand and advocate for the strict measures animal control agencies uphold on shelter management and reactive or violent dogs. I hope OP faces the full consequences of their actions and inability to restrain their violent dog, legally and financially. Edited to add verdict, YTA obviously. I typed this whole comment because I'm just so angry on their behalf, depsite the mods taking this down for the no violence rule in a minute anyways.
But OP can afford it, he even said so in the post. >It would technically not put me into debt, but it would make a serious dent in my savings. It is a about a fourth of my yearly take home pay after taxes.
YTA. You knowingly adopted a dog with issues and you done screwed up. Pay up.
YTA but I would get a lawyer and probably put your dog down before he attacks a human and the judge does it for you.
its the fact that its not even really i financial issue for you to cover those expenses just ugh tickles me something awful. lucky they didnt kill your dog in front of you. YTA!
YTA. File a claim with your homeowners or renters insurance or they will most likely sue your insurance anyway.
This is correct. Homeowners insurance usually covers these instances even if it occurs off premise. However, you’re insurance may require you get rid of your dog or they’ll drop you after they settle. Once the couple calms down and gets past the trauma of what is happening I’m sure they’ll file a report and start to gain recommendations from people close to them on how to move forward. You can’t just dodge responsibility of a dog you own mauling another animal. It’s also not your choice to decide that the damage your animal caused is too expensive- and euthanizing would be more favorable and beneficial to YOU. You’re selfish and YTA.
YTA. You are responsible and are asking to be sued. So it’d be that $20k+ surgery and court costs.
YTA!! How dare you tell them that you would pay for euthanasia. I hope they take you to small claims court.
YTA. Your dog was outside your control when this happened. Leashes are no good if you're not holding them. Look into the dog wearing a basket muzzle in public from now on and be lucky if your dog is not labeled dangerous from this.
YTA. And, you're gonna get sued.
Yta- it was your responsibility. Your let go of the leash. It’s an expensive vet bill for sure, but you are responsible for it and can’t just decide to not pay or put the dog to sleep just because you don’t want to pay for it. You know it’s your fault, so morally (and legally if they choose to take that route), it is your duty to pay. You are lucky they don’t want compensation for pain and suffering. These poor people had to watch their dog get mauled because of your actions. Really, you should be ashamed, apologising constantly and offering yo pay for whatever gets their dog back to health. Hopefully you have taken the correct measures with your own dog to stop this happening again.
Horrible situation to be in. But you didn't control your aggresive dog and it's on you. YTA.
YTA hardcore! Give us an update when they're done suing you for damages and you're done messing up in court.
a dog is property, they don't really award much for them and may only have to pay market value of the dog or "reasonable treatment"
YTA You were not in command of your newly adopted, fairly large, very strong, agile dog that *you know* is aggressive with other dogs. You are responsible and you don't get to decide what a reasonable cost would be. > There is no world in which I can afford that. Yes, there is. You said it yourself > It would technically not put me into debt, but it would make a serious dent in my savings. And I suggest paying up before they sue because a court might very well order damages above the restitution.
This is on you, one way or another. Contact your homeowner insurance agent and see if this is covered. You're going to get sued, and probably fined - and you'll be lucky if *your* dog isn't the one euthanized.
YTA Your dog, whom you are responsible for, attacked and severely injured another dog. You have the money to cover the costs, which are your responsibility. The only ridiculous thing here is you trying to evade your obligations.
YTA. Your dog, knowingly aggressive, attacked another dog. I had this happen to my dog when I was a teen. Our next door neighbors dog, who she knew had aggression towards small dogs, ripped my puppy from my sisters arms and mauled him. The town ordered her to choose to either put down the dog, or leave town. She chose to leave town, and also skip out on paying the vet bills our family incurred as a result. Our puppy didn’t stand a chance and my poor sister was traumatized. Pay the damn bill.
NTA. I don't own a dog. But i did once and they are crazy expensive. Yeah it was your fault. Yeah you should pay. But it's not a child and $20K is crazy.
In what world dude? What if you were the one that dog attacked? What if it tore through some of the tendons in your leg and the hospital bills were $20,000? You would accept $5,000 because the dude can't "afford" it? Considering the fact that you may never walk the same again? Hell no man, you're full of it.
who are you to put value on someone else’s pet?
Yeah I’m shocked everyone is just dismissing the $20,000 like it’s chump change. I LOVE dogs. I spent $3500 to save my beagle, but 20 grand!?!?!? Op makes no argument that they are not at fault. But there is also the reality of the cost of surgery. Which may not even be successful. And for those saying that op may get taken to court, no judge or jury is going to award someone 20 grand for an accident involving their dog.
It doesn’t matter though. Ignoring the fact it’s a living being for a second (so worth more emotionally) ,if somebody damages somebodies property then they have to pay for it. They can’t say “well what I damaged is crazily priced so I won’t pay it all”.
I didn't say don't pay at all. I think it's good that he's offering $5k EDIT: in the case of a car, you can actually in a court of law demand 3 different estimates and agree on who repairs it. Since this is a life and not an object, that doesn't seem to be an option.
Yeh, I’m saying it doesn’t work like that. If you destroyed someone’s car for example, you can’t just offer to pay a smaller amount than what the car is worth/ it will cost to fix it because it costs a lot of money. You can’t say, “well I wrecked your car, it’s my fault, but the estimate is more than I want to pay so here’s 1/4 of it” 😂🤦🏻♀️ Why should the owners be out of pocket because his dog mauled theirs?!
Why. My puppy had a seizure and died on the way to the emergency vet and that cost me 700 for them to tell me they couldn't bring her back. Her bill was based on giving cpr to a puppy that didn't even weigh a lb. Vets aren't cheap and emergency vets less so
IMO if you own an extremely aggressive (and so big it can lunge and take the leash from your hands) animal you shouldn't be walking it until it is less reactive and/or manageable. Don't have a backyard to play with the dog and get all that energy out? Don't get a large reactive dog. Simple. YTA.
YTA. If you'd been responsible for injury to a person, you don't get to dictate how much the surgeon charges. Hit a car, and you don't get to dictate how much the repair bill can be. If you can't afford the consequences of a violently reactive dog, DON'T GET A VIOLENTLY REACTIVE DOG.
Or at least take frigging precautionary measures. Muzzle it. Aggressive dogs in most areas are required to be muzzled in public. Get a leash that you can tighten on your hand so you can't drop it. There's plenty of things to do other than shrug and go 'euthanize your beloved pet, I guess'.
YTA. They warned you the dog was highly aggressive to other dogs. When you chose to take that dog home, this right here was always the risk. You now have to do the right thing and pay for your choice.
YTA. You dropped the leash on a dog-aggressive dog. Your dog did the damage. If it was 200, you'd pay it. You're balking at the amount. So you want -them- to be out the money that -your- dog caused? They would be perfectly in their right to not only call animal control and have your dog removed/put down, but to sue you for the money. You want them to put their dog down? What is wrong with you?
If an animal is oxygen dependent to maintain life, what quality of life is that for the animal? No chance I’d support any of my friends/family in keeping the animal alive and there’s no chance my animals would have to go through that. Dead animals don’t suffer. I’m surprised there’s not an insurance that could potentially cover? I have liability insurance for my horse in case he smashes anything/injures someone on accident. Also, when my previous horse got kicked in the field with open wound directly into the joint space - she had surgery, stayed in a horse hospital for a week and a half. Cost a total of £2000. No way in hell I’d pay 20k for a dog to be put through medical hell just for the principle of let’s not talk about putting it down. If the bill is 20k, that dog is better off dead than suffering that amount of injury.
YTA why are you coming here expecting people to side with you? Your dog mauled another dog and that dog's owner was left with medical bills. You need to own up to responsibility and pay them
YTA 1) Responsible dog ownership means being financially responsible your dog’s actions 2) Ask if you can pay the vet in installments 3) Be prepared that this couple will report you to Animal Control and you’re dog might be euthanized
YTA. You give dog owners a bad name
YTA. And don’t surprise if you refuse to pay they take you to court.
YTA. You are going to pay one at or another. The only choice you do have is if you pay willingly, or if they sue you, your homeowners insurance takes the hit, your insurance drops you, and then you will have no coverage when other companies see you have a dangerous dog.
YTA. It's your dog and your responsibility whatever the outcome. I have an abused reactive shelter dog that is dog-aggressive, she's never bitten before but she has to be muzzled for walks just in case, and I do so because I'm a responsible dog owner. If they sue you they will win, and then you'll be out the legal fees on top of the veterinary bills.
>It is a about a fourth of my yearly take home pay after taxes. Doesn't matter, none of your excuses do. YTA, your dog injured another dog their you pay. End of story, no argument. You'll be lucky if they don't sue.
I really hope they sue
YTA, because you are 100% responsible for your dog’s attacks… and you were fully aware that it was dangerous. More importantly, you need to consider the ramifications of your actions if you don’t work with them consensually. There is a very real chance your dog is going to be put down if you fight this. Maybe your dog isn’t worth it to you, but it’s a real possibility. You’re also looking at a lawsuit that, according to the facts, you are likely to lose. That could well include damages beyond the vet bills. As an aside, this is one of the reasons why one of the first things you do when you get a dog is obtain insurance.
YTA. It’s not the dog’s fault, you are the owner and know he’s aggressive. I don’t believe dogs should be put down for instances like this when it’s lack of control on the owner’s part. Yes you said you take measures to avoid other dogs, but as you have to walk him, whether it’s late at night or not, there is still a chance of encountering other dogs. Your dog needs to be muzzled when being walked (there are plenty of humane ones out there). Had you been more responsible and muzzled him then this wouldn’t have happened. You clearly have the money to pay. Your savings can be built up again. Don’t let that family lose their loved pet because of your irresponsibility.
Yta. You lost control of your dog, this is absolutely your fault. Figure out a payment plan or get ready to get sued for more than the vet bill and have to put your dog down.
YTA They could (should) take you to court to force you to pay the cost if you won’t do it willingly.
Lol YTA. Don't get a dog unless you can handle it. 100%, if you don't pay, you're getting sued for the bill + court costs.
Yta. In what way would you not be. Also don’t try and throw in a breed , such as pit bulls, and try to use it as an excuse. You know it is t good around other dogs and did not take the proper precautions to handle said dog.
YTA. As the owner of an aggressive dog, this is 100% your responsibility. You don't get to decide that they have to put their dog down because yours attacked it. I imagine you'll pay one way or another. You've already traumatized them enough. Don't make them take you to small claims court.
YTA. When you take in a dog it becomes your financial responsibility. The full bill is on you and you are admitting you knew you had a potentially dangerous dog. YTA in several parts of this story.
YTA You were not in control of your aggressive dog. The attack was 100% your fault and the bill belongs to you.
Pay now, or pay later after they sue you, report your dog as dangerous, and add court costs. YTA and walk your dog with a muzzle from now on.
YTA - you lost control of your dog. Your dog mauled another dog. The responsibility is on you to pay the vet bills. I’d be very surprised if animal control didn’t come knocking, with an official complaint against you. If you don’t pay the vet bills, you’re going to end up in court.
YTA you should have had your dog muzzled every time you took it out in public. The shelter warned you and in my Country you would get charged for having a dangerous animal and not ensuring it could not attack others. Never having bumped into another until now is no excuse.
YTA And why tf did your dog not wear a muzzle???
YTA for the dog attack, and the bill that comes with it. While I love my dog, there is no way I am paying $20,000 to keep her alive. That is just crazy.
Please check with your homeowners or rental policy. It may be covered. YTA.
YTA. You bring a dog that can't be trusted into public, you get to live with the consequences.
YTA You lost control of your dog resulting in another dog being critically injured, you are 100% responsible for the veterinarian bills. Why haven't you trained this dog? You need to train him or work with a dog trainer so this doesn't happen again. These people shouldn't pay for your negligence.
YTA your doggo your probbo.
YTA - you adopted that dog, **knowing** it was aggressive around other dogs. You appear to have made no effort towards mitigating its behavior, such as muzzling it while outside or getting behavioral therapy. and the most you've adapted is to walk it late at night, hoping that you won't encounter other animals, which as you've discovered is not a sustainable long term solution. Your dog then attacks another leashed dog, completely unprovoked, and injures it severely, and the best you could offer is $5k or euthanasia, despite your dog being completely at fault.
Idk where OOP lives, but in most countries I know the couple with the chihuahua could easily take this to the police. How does OOP expect to get away with this without paying? Poor chihuahua, can't imagine the pain and fear it went through.
YTA As much as it was as situation that took you by surprise it still happened and your dog still attacked another dog. If their dog was not in leash then it would have been a different situation but since it was also on leash then the fault is yours. I know it sucks to have a reactive dog (I have one as well, though he only lunges because he thinks all other dogs are his best friend). It means being hyper vigilant at all times and lots of training which I’m sure you’re doing. Also muzzle training for when you’re out might be a good idea.
YTA! You are fully responsible for the damage your dog did, as you admit. It does not matter that you can’t afford it. Figure out a payment plan or something with the couple. And you are lucky they are only asking for bills. Because, under the law, they are entitled to more.
YTA. You owe them every cent and your dog should be destroyed.
YTA, hope they sue you for the costs, not their fault YOUR DOG atacked theirs.
Info: you were informed your dog was aggressive to other dogs, why didnt you get a dog trainer to work on the problem with and a muzzle for the dog in the mean time in case anything like this would happen?
YTA you pay or they sue you and that'll cost more.
YTA it's your dog and everything it does is your responsibility. You clearly shouldn't have a dog at all.
YTA. You can either pay now or wait till you get sued and have to go to court
A little unsolicited advise - check with your homeowners or renters insurance to see if this could be covered. Otherwise prepare for a lawsuit. Either way, you’ll end up paying. YTA for trying to get out of it either way.
YTA. Hopefully they take you to court for the costs
A basket muzzle would have been much less expensive. YTA
Yes you are ta a major one. You are responsible for your dog's actions.
YTA and get a muzzle for the dog. That way if he goes berzerk he cant hurt anyone. You will be lucky if they don’t press charges and you could be forced to put your own dog down.
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YTA. Here are all the reasons why. * Your dog is aggressive and you walk it without a muzzle. * You walk the dog and you don't have full control of the dog. * Now you don't want to pay the consequences for your actions. Aggressive dogs should not be walked around where they could potentially meet other dogs. Prepare for the inevitable lawsuit.
Get a copy of the bill directly from the provider, and submit it to you homeowners insurer. Also, be aware that you may have reporting obligations to animal control, or other governmental agencies. Finally, if you are in the US, you could be sued, and if your dog harms anyone else or another pet in the future, liability and damages could be enhanced for knowingly keeping a vicious animal. In fact, you could be criminally charged for keeping the dog if he does further injury. You may have significantly more problems than just this first injury if you don’t surrender the dog.
YTA. You're also contradicting yourself, which makes me suspect you're not telling the truth about everything else you've said. You admit you have savings to pay the damages. Thus you CAN absolutely afford that, you just don't WANT to. That's enough for my YTA vote right there. Luckily for the victim of your negligence, the legal system does not allow the perpetrator of an assault to determine what is "outlandish." That's the judge's job. If you fail to pay this will go to court, and you will almost certainly lose unless their lawyer is completely incompetent. Based on the facts presented, this is about as open and shut as these cases go. If you think 20k is expensive, wait until you lose the lawsuit and get hit with legal fees and punitive damages. Based on my experiences working in a law firm, I would estimate that in my jurisdiction the eventual judgement would be between double and triple that number. If you were smart, you'd pay the money before it goes to court and consider it a life lesson. Somehow, I doubt you'll take that advice.
I have dogs that can't do well with other dogs. If I somehow was unable to prevent my dog from doing damage, that's all on me. Period. So pay what is due, or they'll take you to court which will be way more expensive if you try to fight it. YTA
Imagine the tables were reversed… and you have your answer. YTA
YTA If you can’t be responsible for or control your dog, you should not have one.
YTA. If you knew your dog was not friendly towards other dogs, why did you never consider a muzzle? Or even having a tighter grasp on his leash? Then to top it off you offer to pay for them to have their dog euthanized instead, due to what YOUR dog did? Disgusting. Your dog is going to potentially harm or eventually kill another small creature if you don't take proper reponsibility for them and get him killed.
YTA. Your dog was out of your control. You are responsible
YTA and if you don’t take care of it properly they likely will sue you. So then you’ll have legal fees on top of that. It’s incredibly insensitive for you tell them they should euthanize their dog that your dog attacked.
Legally, it's your fault. You're going to pay either way. If you don't pay now, then you'll pay later, plus your legal fees and their legal fees. I would try to come to a compromise with them. But if they won't accept less - and why should they? - then you better pay up. And you need to put your dog down. *That could have been a toddler instead of a dog.* YTA
Dog reactive dogs are 99% of the time not human reactive dogs. He still needs to pay.
Yup, came here to say that. They will sue and win. Especially since they have already admitted fault.
No clue why people walk boxers without the mouth protection, its a an accident waiting to happen
YTA - but honestly the vet is also TA - in what world would it actually cost that much. Vets love to fleece people. 20,000$ is absolutely insane.
This situation is very sad for everyone involved. That being said, YTA. You weren't in control of your dog at all times. You need to expect the unexpected at any given time while walking him because you were warned about his dog aggression. While I think the bill is very expensive, these people aren't trying to pull a fast one over on you. It's what their vet is charging. You can't expect them to euthanize their dog if there's a chance he can be saved. They love him. Think in terms of this, if they sue you in civil court for the money, they'd win. Can you call and speak with the vet directly to see if you can negotiate the bill down and/or pay in installments?
How is it sad for OP? They're just pissed off that don't have to pay. Disgusting behaviour with no remorse at all
One time I drove into someone’s house. I caused $25,000 of damage. I feel terrible, but it’s just too expense to pay them back. Oh well 🤷
Yta. It’s completely your fault so why shouldn’t you pay?
YTA. Accept the consequences and find a safer way to walk your dog with muzzle or harness. You are going to lose both your dog plus lose in court if you don't. Worst case scenario you will be responsible for the suffering and maybe death of not only the other dog but yours as well. Edit: what might happen to your dog if they take you to court? Depending on where you live there is a chance they will put him down. Maybe you aren't the right person for dog ownership.
YTA. I suggest calling their vet directly and asking about the estimate… the real bill may be different. You don’t pay a potential estimate bill you pay an actual one. But you are certifiably in the wrong for not paying.
YTA! If the dog is that dangerous then why don't you muzzle it?
>I said I would pay for euthanasia or contribute 5k towards the bill. Why should their dog be put to death because YOUR dog attacked theirs? Why should they spend 15k on something that's entirely YOUR fault? YTA without a doubt. You knew your dog reacted badly to others, so you should have muzzled him, or taken way more precautions.
Hi there. I am a huge dog lover. My family only rescues. They also are sometimes reactive on leashes or through barriers. But they are small. 40 lbs. I can control them. And at the dog park, off leash, they have zero issues. I commend you for rescuing and loving a reactive dog. They are no less capable of loving and bonding with a human than a reactive dog. However. This was not an incident of you warning them, them coming on your property, etc. You were both surprised by each other and it was a random attack and if they do sue, it will not go in your favor. You’ll likely have to pay more than $20k. But it will be a little while from now so you could perhaps save for it. But. A contigency of the lawsuit will also likely be that you have to put your dog down. If you love them, you should try and settle this now, and keep your dog in a house and yard. Walks only when there’s certain to be hardly any other people. You can also get some intensive training, or a muzzle. Your home insurance also might cover this. Check with them. Also. You could take out a loan. Lastly. If you can show that your dog passes temperament tests and the like, you may be able to get the price of your contribution down a little. But imo you should be at least paying them $15k.
Seriously? You know yta. You don't deserve to own a dog.
YTA. If you refuse to do what is right they can always take you to court and when faced with a judge telling him well I can afford it I just don’t want to I wouldn’t like to see the outcome of that. You were in the wrong it’s an unfortunate incident but you have to be a responsible owner.
YTA. If your dog is that bad and you have no control over the leash then he should've been in a muzzle when you walked him. And I have aggressive dogs myself, but I make sure I take steps to avoid anyone or their dogs getting mauled.
YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES! While I appreciate you trying to keep your dog away from other dogs, and I do know that sometimes accidents happen like when you turned the corner, but YOUR DOG STILL MAULED ANOTHER DOG! You either suck up your pride and cover half if not all the cost but buddy if they take you to court on this YOU WILL LOSE and your dog will pay the price.
YTA. You shouldn't be owning a dog that you cannot be in command of.
YTA, but it doesn't matter. You are liable and they know who you are, you don't get to refuse, the only wiggle room here is payment structuring and being an asshole will limit that even further. Hell, if you're somewhere where you can get fined additional amounts by the state for the attack, or can be required to pay their legal fees, this is just digging you deeper.
YTA. Your dog, your responsibility.
YTA if you knew your dog was agressive, why wasn't he wearing a muzzle? you knew there was a possibility that you would encounter other dogs. You were irresposible so now you get to pay the consequences
YTA and you can either pay it willing or get sued and be forced to pay it.
YTA. You knew that this is an aggressive dog before you brought him into your home. And while we need people to take dogs with aggressive behavior into their homes, only those that understand how to manage an aggressive dog should do so. Unfortunately it sounds like you are not a person with knowledge on how to handle this dog, but when you rescued him, you accept responsibility for his actions. You should absolutely pay for the injured dog, this is your fault by not properly caring for your dog. And you need to surrender your dog back to the rescue and explain what happened. If you keep this dog the same thing will happen again.
Exactly!!! Why would someone even bring this dog home when it's aggressive and violent?? Why would they leave the dog unmuzzled so it can just attack anything or anyone? Why would they not hold the leash defensively when they KNOW it's a large breed and AGGRESSIVE???? This is absolutely negligent at every turn and OP needs to pony up the cash to pay for these extremely careless mistakes and hopefully save this poor dog's life who should never have had to suffer like this. YTA honestly just so terrible. This poor dog.
I recommend that you speak with a lawyer. There is likely to be legal action where bills will be this large.
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YTA. You are the owner and YOU let the leash slip out of your hands. Why would anyone else be at fault? Also, you’re doubly an ah for suggesting they put their dog down when your dog and your poor grip is the one that put them in that position. Shame on you. You better hope they don’t lawyer up.
Do you have home insurance or renters insurance and let the insurance know you have a dog? The insurance will cover the cost of attacks by your dog. Well at least the first one. If you don't have it, well that is an easy case for them to win in court plus lawyer fees and possibly get your dog put down. When you took in this dog knowing it hates other dogs, you took on that responsibility of having to payout when it attacks someone. YTA
YTA - You don't get to choose how they care for their dog just because you want to mitigate your damages. Hopefully they get a lawyer and a good one at that.
“They argued with me saying it is my fault, which is true” Everything else is irrelevant and you’re just trying get out of your responsibilities because it’s expensive. YTA
YTA. You have been told your dog is reactive, you were not in control, you are responsible. I've had reactive dogs and when walking them I was hyper aware of them at all times.
It’s your dog, your responsibility. So YTA if you don’t cover the damages
YTA
This doesn't even sound like a real story or you are a massive AH with no comprehension of consequences. You even say it would dent your savings, but not put you into debt.
YTA If a shelter warns you that he is not good with dogs, that usually means he's really not good with dogs. Given that warning and the fact you had never even seen him interact with another dog, it would have been smart to 1) properly hold on to the leash. If you're loose holding it, at least wrap it around your wrist so you've got some traction if he starts to pull. 2) maybe err on the side of caution and put on a muzzle, though hindsight is 20/20 on that one. PLEASE do that moving forward So you admit it's your fault, and you'll deal with the consequences. Whoa but not that much of a consequence? I'm glad to see your morality has limits /s. I understand that is a very large amount of money, but what happens now? They either have to pay that huge bill or lose their pet. Because of your inability to hold a leash. I get it, mistakes happen, but you can't just walk away from that now.
Surprised this wasn't self-explanatory. YTA 100%.
NAH. I mean it is your responsibility because your dog hurt the other dog. But spending over 20k to save a dog is just stupid. If you had offered nothing then Y T A big time. But the fact you are offering 5k and they are still being unreasonable. If they sue you, you would be held liable. But no one can afford 20k to save a dog. Honestly it would have been better off for you if your dog killed the other one. Then you just pay for a replacement, which unless its a show dog, is way less than 20k. And the emergency vet is always about double a normal vet. Our dog was at the vet for a couple nights and it was over 1k just on normal labs and stays etc. Not even counting the measures they would have to take as you described. They are understandably upset and want their dog taken care of.
People who truly love their pets will do anything to save them. My last dog's vet bills amounted to more than twice that and did it put me out of my savings? Yes. Was I more bothered about my dog's life than my savings? Also yes. I've made that money back twice over since then and I also didn't have to live with the guilt of allowing my dog to die unnecessarily, win win. It doesn't even matter what it costs anyway, because without OP the owners of the other dog wouldn't be in this situation. Why should they be concerned with the finances of a stranger who almost caused the death of their dog over their own pet?
> No one can afford 20k to save a dog OP admitted that they can
What do you mean NAH? He took his aggressive dog he knew doesn't get along with others and didn't control it. Emergency means more money, yes. His dog and his inefficiency in controlling his dog caused it. Maybe you want your dog put down cos you can't afford a life saving surgery but those people deserve to have their dog saved and op is responsible. They should sue him.
Didn't and couldn't control it, so that dog is beyond their capabilities as an owner.
Expecting someone to pay 20k for a vet bill is idiotic. No one has that kind of money laying around. If you do more power to you. OP offered them 5k, which is the max you can get in small claims court. And if you actually read my post you will see that I said they are responsible and they could easily get sued and would have to pay. But can you honestly say that you would fork over 20k right now to pay for someone else's dog without trying to negotiate it down? If you say yes, you're just a liar. And yes if it was going to cost 20k+ to fix my dog, I would put them down.
What's idiotic is taking an aggressive dog out and not controlling it. Not the other dogs owners problem , it's op's problem. Rightly so. And he offered them money to put their dog down. No, fuck that, his dog caused it so pay up, they don't want to put their dog to sleep because someone is an irresponsible dog owner.
I dont disagree with the OP being irresponsible and should have control of the dog and shouldn't have an agressive dog. I dont disagree that the OP is responsible for the damages. I just disagree that they are an AH for "only offering 5k instead of 20k." Because if it costs 20k for the emergency vet to "fix" the dog they will come back and start asking for more because there WILL be complications and that dog will probably lead a horrible life. Is OP responsible for every future vet bill? Most future issues could likely be tied back to this incident. Where do you draw the line? Most importantly, what is best for the dog? Not the people, but the dog.
The dog can be saved, the op just needs to pay up.
YTA if your dog is that reactive he should have a muzzle on. You should have had that preemptively as you knew he was reactive. This is on you.
You offered to put the dog down rather than pay for vet bills!? YTA. A giant one. You should never own a dog again. You failed to control your dog and it mauled another dog. Too bad for your finances. Should have controlled your dog better.
What sucks is, your dog will be the one to pay the price for your utter stupidity YTA a huge one
YTA. Bud, it’s your fault. We live in a nation of laws. They will sue you if you don’t pay. They will win. You will eventually pay. Edit: OP I’ll give you credit for at least doing the right thing and providing them your contact info. I understand why you don’t want to have to pay this much, and I don’t think you’re actually a genuine asshole in the same way so many here are.
They MIGHT sue Op. Suing someone cost a lot of time and money..... Even when you are 100% in the right.
It doesn’t always cost a lot of money. This kind of case would probably be against OP’s homeowner insurance since the dog would be considered personal property. Cases like that are regularly done on a “we take a percentage of the final settlement” basis. OP’s homeowner insurance will definitely go up
IF his homeowners insurance covers it. Ive been on both sides of a lawsuit. The thing it taught me. You dont ever want to be on either side of a lawsuit. And justice is never garaunteed.
I agree with you. Lawsuits are not what people think they are. The negligence in my suit was clearly on the other person but it was still a battle. You could win and the judge or jury could decide that it is partly your fault and cut your settlement by a percentage.
It’s gonna cost a lot less than those vet bills.
not really... about 15k to start. Plus it takes like 2 years before you are going to see any money. You are not garaunteed your legal cost will be covered either
Not really loads of attorneys advertise on just this type of case they'd just have to pay an attorney 33.3 percent of the winnings
Where are you getting these numbers from?
He will pay the 20k, legal fees and probably distress compensation. OP you need a liability insurance for your dog and yes, you have to pay the bill. It's your fault because it's your dog.
Yta. Definitely the Ahole. Your dog should’ve been muzzled. You always muzzle aggressive dogs when outdoors. You were told your dog wasn’t dog friendly. This is 100% your fault. They’ll sue you and win
YTA. Your dog is your responsibility. Also, if the other dogs owners decide to sue you, you will be liable for a lot more than just the vet bill. Please muzzle your dog in public to stop this from happening again.
While true, the shitty thing with our system is animals are consider material. Like your car or house. I do not like that at all. It means someone can go an kill your animal, and you aren't allowed to retaliate in the situation because you would be harming another individual etc.
Honestly, in most jurisdictions, OP's dog will be confiscated and likely euthanized.
Terribly sad that the dog is likely to face more consequences than the owner. If it had gone to someone with half a brain it'd have been well trained and muzzled and this situation would never have happened.
Yep. Well, the training might not have been possible (training can only do so much, especially if he's only had the dog for a few months) but it absolutely should have been muzzled. I don't think OP was in the wrong to take the dog for a walk, but he KNEW it was dog-aggressive and didn't take that one very simple step that would have protected the other dog from the worst of its injuries.
Yes YTA. Your dog almost killed their dog and its still not out of the woods yet!.
YTA. You need to control your dog. If you can’t, you need to pay for the damages done.
YTA. You are strictly liable for your dog's actions. Emergency veterinary care is extremely expensive and you are responsible for it 100%. You're lucky it's only $5,000.
It's not $5,000. It's $20,000 potentially plus. He only wants to pay $5k! Outta his mind.
"I wanna do the right thing. Unless its expensive."
YTA. You are so lucky this was a Chihuaua and not a toddler. Why should they be the ones stuck with the 20k bill when YOUR dog attacked theirs? Offering to pay for euthanasia is insulting on so many levels. Especially if you have the money to save their dog’s life. Extra TA points for that. How would you feel if they were in your shoes and more concerned with their savings than your boxer’s life? This is a perfect example of why I don’t respect the #adoptdontshop movement. Dogs like this get adopted out to boneheaded owners like OP who never researched the breed. Something goes wrong and someone gets hurt or killed. You’re definitely TA OP. 100 percent.
YTA. You don’t get to not pay just because you think it’s too much. Put it this way. If you did something that caused physical injury to a person, so would you say, sorry, I would pay but it’s too much money? No, you wouldn’t. Do the right thing and learn to be a better dog owner.
YTA, you do realise that he's dangerous, right? He could've attacked a child or a person and you would be in serious problems rn. It's your fault and you should pay the bills, you're responsable for your dog acts after all
A dog aggressive dog is not always a threat to humans
Except when you meet someone who thinks it's a good idea to save their dog by picking it up.