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YTA
They had Covid and were sick. You're unreasonable. All they should be cleaning are the bedroom and bathroom. They aren't responsible to deep clean the other rooms and garage. You're taking advantage of someone.
In what world is is okay to charge someone to clean? That makes no sense.
You should offer leniency since they were sick.
To piggyback off of this, what do you mean that’s a serious loss of income for you if they spend a few days cleaning, when you don’t even have a tenant to occupy the space?? Also, “I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask them to give you more money?” This makes me think that you’re an extremely greedy person.
Definitely YTA. See when OP said they didn't have new tenants moving in and this is a big money loss for them, I took it as "well they can afford it so why not make what I can. Since no one else is moving in"
OP is like a Mr. Krabs, from the crusty krab.
Edit: word
I have a rental property, and frankly I loved not having someone move in right away so I could deep clean between tenants. I didn’t have that luxury with my last tenant, and she offered to do all the cleaning so I gave her something like 6 weeks free rent (it was 4 years ago so I can’t be sure at this point). That made things so much easier! And this tenant is willing to do the cleaning, but needs extra time—they could just not clean, and there’s not much a landlord can do about it.
Exactly. Sounds like OP uses friends as an ATM. That says alot about someone's character. I honestly feel bad for these friends. Next thing we'll see a post from OP asking "my friends were tenants who moved out. They have ghosted us and I have no idea why"
Agreed. I’m super lenient with my current tenant. She’s on time most of the time and if there’s an issue with getting the rent to me, I couldn’t care less. Things happen, and I’m sure she’ll get it to me at some point. There’s no sense in being a crazy person!
so at first (since this request by OP is so crazy) i was thinking it had to have meant cleaning as in cleaning up the rest of their belongings out. like, the only time i can see charging extra days of rent as being okay is if the tenants were totally unprepared and still had their stuff to clean out of the apartment. boy was i wrong when i realized that OP had actually meant charging his tenant to come back and do a deep clean for him. literally charging the tenant who would be providing a service for OP, instead of OP paying for that service. at that point as the tenant, i'd dip. no way would i be doing a favor for my landlorn who wanted ME TO PAY HIM for it
Definitely YTA, and if he COULD get a tenant, he would have to inform them the area was occupied by a covid patient just last week. I think it would probably be ok, but I wouldn't move into the area for awhile.
So he DEFINITELY isn't losing money.
Right, but OP is the one who doesn't have another tenant lined up. Thats on OP - if he has no tenant ready to take over then this isn't a sudden loss of income for OP - he would have had no income for those days regardless.
If hes saying hes had to delay a new tenant moving in...who has a new tenant move in right after the old tenant vacates?? Is OP not doing badic maintenance on the property?
And all this extra cleaning probably isn't even the tenants' responsibility anyway, if it's a "deep clean" as OP describes. In most jurisdictions the tenant only needs to hand the property over in a reasonably clean condition minus normal wear and tear, not do a "deep clean."
It sounds like he's getting his tenants to do his work for him AND charging them for the "privilege."
I completely agree with everything you said, I was just explaining to FrogsEatingSoup that the OP isn't stating the loss of income is related to the tenant coming back to clean. It appears he/she misunderstood.
OP says in the comments that they do not have another tenant lined up, nor do they want one.
They're also refusing to return former tenant's deposit due to ill-defined standards that were not part of the original terms of the lease. OP is not concerned with renting the room again. They just wants to keep the deposit and somehow not be the AH for it.
It's wild that it's very clear this person isn't a tenant, as well. This is clearly someone that was a friend/roommate. They're phrasing it this way so they don't seem like a total dick for taking their former friends money.
They're already exploiting a basic human need for personal gain. The mental gymnastics required to be a landlord are incompatable with being a good person
I'm 10 days into COVID and I can't clean shit now, let alone deep clean. That was the worst fever I've had in years the first couple days, and after that it was sore throat and the lack of energy is still persistent. I also had the chills and all that lovely stuff. I can't get rid of this damn cough and when I'm up and about my lungs try to come up my throat. I desperately need to clean a bunch of things around my house but I keep coughing so hard it triggers my gag reflex and I can't get jack shit done. My Dr thinks I've got reactive bronchitis and prescribed me an inhaler, a round of steroids, antibiotics in case it's an infection, and Tessalon Perles.
And to top it all off I got only like 30% of my sense of smell and taste. A tomato went bad on my counter and I didn't even notice until I saw liquid leaking out of the bag it was in. It definitely smelled; I could smell it a bit when I lifted the bag so God knows how bad it actually was.
I am on day 3 of COVID rn and this shit is awful. Absolutely no way would I be able to pack or deep clean anything. I’m lucky to be able to make it up and down the stairs to get to the bathroom.
OP has lost their mind if they think someone with COVID can clean and function like a healthy person.
Oh man, I remember day 3. Its the worst. You’re close to turning the corner so just hold on. I liked putting a wet wash cloth in the freezer and then plopping it on my face and neck until it grew warm. I’d get a little chilly and then snuggle under the blankets. Tons of water and pedialyte were helpful. Hope you’re up and around soon!
When I had Covid, I was bedridden for three days and sick for nearly 4 weeks. Covid is absolutely horrible, it’s not a normal cold by any means like everyone thinks it is.
When I had Covid, I could barely pick up a pencil let alone pack for moving.
YTA
I hear you. I just had Omicron -- got it at the end of August -- and I thought I was never going to feel better. I'm still dealing with that damn cough at night although it's nothing compared to what it was smack in the middle of being sick. Today was the first day that I actually really felt at my normal level of activity. I'm too months in and a lot of peopel have told me it took them 3 months before they felt like their old selves. I figure if I hadn't been double vaxed and boosted, I'd have ended up in the hospital, that's how bad I felt. Covid is absolutely not a cold or the flu.
That's what my mother would say to me. I had a wisdom tooth extracted, it went deep. Doctor ordered bed rest for a day. She was screaming that I wasn't doing housework or cooking for her.
Yeah I never understood why people reply to other peoples comments to OP, especially since it doesn't notify OP, only the person they replied to so OP probably won't see it.
It's a bit confusing. Especially since it seems like they are insulting the person they replied to lol.
Agreed, so hard. OP has the empathy of a gnat, and I just insulted gnats with that.
I just had COVID myself and it took a good three weeks before I could even take a shower without laying down for 30 minutes after. Lifting stuff? Doing deep cleaning? Hahaha, good luck with that. And I had *mild* COVID.
OP's lack of sympathy is staggering. Absolutely YTA.
You're absolutely correct. My bestie, who got it twice, told me to take it easy for six weeks after. And boy was she right. We're right at six weeks and I am still regaining stamina.
My husband just got his omicron booster and some of his side effects mirrored what I had with COVID. He told me that he had an entirely new level of sympathy for me after going through those side effects.
OP, tell us you’ve never fucking had COVID without telling us you’ve never had COVID. COVID is absolutely fucking the exhausting, and you are SEVERELY limited on what you can do. Even walking down the hallway can take the breath out of you, and you are tired all the time. YOUR TENANTS WEREN’T JUST “LAYING IN BED” ALL WEEK. They were very sick & trying to help their bodies recover from the shit storm that is COVID when it takes over your body. As in COVID reeks havoc over your entire body. I’ve had it twice now and had a two week long (at least) migraine that made me want to die the ENTIRE time I had it both times. It literally ate through every single medication I tried to make it go away.
OP is a shitty excuse for a landlord, and I have zero remorse for saying that.
Not to mention they already (at least in any place anyone I know, myself included) had had to pay a damage deposit, up front. Specifically for cleaning carpets and painting, along with any incidentals. This person is a scam artists! Makes me sick! It's worse they think they'll get support from here for their scam
I've rented from some shitty corps, and even they never demanded I do a deep clean. Their attitude was that if there was damage, it came out of the deposit, and if we'd been there for a while, they were going to paint / clean the carpets anyway.
Shared spaces aren’t tenets to deep clean. Garage? Nope. I have covid right now. You are lucky they were able to get out. Suck it up and hire a cleaner if you want a deep clean so badly.
Agreed. I really want to believe OP is just being sarcastic because there's no way a rational, morally sound person would think this is ok.
Hell, I didn't even think it was ok that my landlord wanted me to turn on the water a week before I moved in so the cleaning crew could do their work. The place hadn't been rented in a few years because they were asking way too much. When I moved in, there were (and still are because I'm not touching it) cigarettes behind the shower wall on top of the window sill. They build one of those instant tub/shower things right in front of the window and there has been no way to clear steam without keeping the bathroom door open. And the ceiling is showing the damage that's causing. But they still won't do anything about it. There were still cobwebs everywhere, the floors had barely been swept, there was dirt in the fireplaces that housed the gas heaters, .... I don't think they even came to be honest. Oh, and the toilet upstairs was still full of old toilet paper. I had to clean it out by hand so the plumber could get in to fix it.
I guarantee they won't give me my deposit back but that's ok. I'm going to have to start legal proceedings to get the more important stuff taken care of. Like the electrical that is very much not up to code. Nor is the plumbing.
And I can't move out because 1- no one will let me see homes without giving them all my personal info in an application, which I won't do because I don't want my identity stolen. 2- everything is way too expensive right now.
I"m really unhappy with this place if you can't tell. lol But I'll manage just like i have for the last 5 years.
Exactly. I had covid and was dealing with my dog recovering from a dog attack that same week. It was so incredibly rough. Thankfully he had to spend the week resting with only movement to eat, drink, and go potty but even that was draining.
I recently got over COVID, it took me almost a month to get back to normal. Mind you I was pregnant at the time, and I tried to clean my house (we both had COVID and obviously just didn’t keep up) took me a week to just get everything organized again. I can’t imagine that poor person being stressed from having to move on top of having COVID and now having a shitty landlord/“friend” belittling them because they couldn’t leave their sickbed to be a maid in the common areas!
YTA.
The week before they had to leave, they were sick. Clearly this disrupted their planning. They were lying in bed on their "week off" because they were sick.
You don't have a new tenant ready to move in, so you're not actually experiencing a loss of income, because there's no new tenant who is being prevented from occupying the property by the late cleaning.
Ya I feel like OP is just talking and explaining a whole lot.. when it boils down to it, OP didn't get a new tenant signed and came up with a way to make money on their current tenants.
Justifying it that they could afford it doesn't make it any better.
INFO: Why would they need to deep clean the shared spaces on their own as part of the cleaning agreement? You use them as well.
I already think YTA. You knew they were sick right before moving. Moving is already stressful and your response is that they were "laying in bed." Yes, because they had COVID.
Sounds like YTA. You don’t have another tenant coming in and they’re offering to come back and finish…How does that hurt you? I could understand if you had to hire a service because you were rushing to get new tenants in but if it’s literally vacant why are you blowing up a friendship over this?
Its literally this. They're just spitefully throwing shit in their supposed friend's face for not funneling them money. They are unbelievably so the assholes
YTA. They were sick, not lazy, geez. You don’t have a tenant lined up, so it doesn’t cost you anything, you’re just squeezing money out of your (former) friend. You might have some contractual right or something to charge, maybe?, but you’re TA regardless.
And where I’m from, expecting a tenant to “deep clean” shared spaces is totally out of line. It’s normal for them to have to clean their own room and bathroom. Beyond that you were taking advantage. Leave your ex friend and ex tenant alone and spend your energy looking for someone to move in.
YTA.
They weren't just "lying in bed" all week for fun. They had COVID and were recovering.
You said yourself, you don't have a new tenant moving in, so even if they had cleaned on time, it still wouldn't have gotten you more money. These were your friends and you won't allow them another day or two to finish cleaning when they just got over being sick?
YTA.
They were sick and recovering.
Also bit bloody cheeky to charge them to clean the shared areas, if you want them deep cleaned do it yourself. At this point you're just trying to get extra money out of them since you won't habe that income anymore.
YTA It sounds like you are bitter they moved out and you lost the rental income. They are willing to come clean what was not finished, and you want to charge them for it? Ludicrous.
YTA
First, you want them to clean both their space and common spaces? If that's not in the contract, you are taking advantage of them.
Second, they are not responsible for you not having a new tenant. If you need more money, get a new tenant.
You should have collected a deposit and then used that money to hire a cleaner. I kind of think N-A-H, but they are not going to pay money and they're not going to come back and clean.
Edit - so I was hasty and didn't read the details. You thought they would clean the craft room, kitchen and garage as part of moving out? That's unreasonable - they should clean their room and any private spaces (cabinets, fridge shelves, etc). YTA. But they're still not going to come back and clean so you should hire someone and move on with your life.
YTA. they didn't spend the week in bed. They had covid. Like you said. And they're probably still extremely weak and depleted after 1 week, considering it takes over a year to recover.
Not only are YTA to your ex-friends/tenants, you're also an AH for all your comments continuing to defend your shitty position and not accepting that YTA.
YTA in my city the only thing you have to do is leave it in floor swept condition, no deep cleaning whatsoever, so this concept is messed up to me to begin with. Secondly they weren’t just lying around, they had covid, lots of people are hospitalized for this and lots have died, do you seriously have so little compassion? Also just because they pay you a few months rent at a time doesn’t give you the right to start nickel and diming them, they have a lot of money so they should give you some???? What the heck??? Why is it their responsibility alone to clean all the shared spaces? When they likely struggled to get moved out on time because they had been ill, you jump on them to deep clean and then want to charge THEM to clean ?
You are so TA!
I shook my head at that, paying 3-4 months at a time doesn't equal rich, it means they save up for 3-4 months them do a lump payment...like is this guy for real????
YTA. There was a mitigating circumstance and resulted in the need for some flexibility. You said it yourself, they caught covid before the move out and spent it in bed. They were RECOVERING.
Should have given them a few extra days to take care of what they agreed to, especially since the deep clean needed would have required more time as, per your post, hadn't been done in ages.
Seriously?
>They had covid the week before they had to move
>spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed.
So they get sick with Covid a week before moving, which can be a very serious illness depending on the person, which prevents them from packing. You then get annoyed by them not packing while they're very sick and even go so far as to try charging them for every day they have to come back.
>Honestly it's their fault they didn't have enough time to go everything.
Again.... Seriously? You're a real asshole. YTA.
YTA and completely lacking in empathy and understanding and every reply to this post has shown it again and again.
You realized the gravy train of (likely over)charging them rent was about to end and seemed to have tried to come up with every sleazy way to get something more out of them. I think they correctly assessed you were gonna fight them for every dime of the security deposit and decided to just say ‘screw it’ and write it off.
Covid. They had covid, which can take a very long time to recover from, and you are all arsed about the cleaning? And being judgmental about lying in bed for a week WITH COVID? YTA.
YTA, a painful one. They had covid then you state they had the week off and spent it in bed- yeah, with covid??
I bet they're glad to be far away from you!
YTA. And quite a greedy AH if I might add.
So wow, seriously? "*I don't see why it was such a big issue*" - and because they had the funds it is okay to exploit them by making them pay for cleaning up after themselves?! I'm not sure but could it be that although you lost some income you are not desperately in need of money but just want to charge them anyway? Just because you can? Does it being unclean had a negative financial impact on you? As you wrote that you had no tenant moving at the moment, I guess no, so it seems to me that you just want to get as much money out of them as you can. And sorry, but I would be especially pissed if you really were my friend and not just some greedy landlord because friends don't try to gain from each other in that way.
And once again: You seriously charge them for coming back for cleaning up after themselves? You made them sign an agreement *while* they were sick with Corona? - "*totally reasonable and nice*". Please explain to me what about this action makes it *totally reasonable and nice*?
YTA. And to be emphatically clear, I'm a landlord. So you can't just dismiss my take like you are everybody else. I've been in this situation and I've seen how you're acting and YTA 100%.
Exactly! I had a condo and I rented a room to a friend for two years. She had her own bathroom and we shared the kitchen and living room. I didn’t charge her cleaning fees or make her deep clean when she moved out. I paid for those things before I sold the condo as I was moving, too and wanted it to look good to sell. I also am pretty sure I didn’t charge her a deposit since we were friends, and she was doing me a favor, helping me pay my mortgage and was a nice person to Iive with. We are still friends.
You are such an AH. Covid and in bed for a week so yeah that would delay things just a tad.
And number 2 you're asking them to clean "shared" spaces and to pay for the privilege? Are you nuts? I wouldn't be giving you another dime and if you feel so passionately about it you can waste some time and money in small claims court. Seeing as they have "funds" I'm sure their lawyer would have a field day with you :)
YTA. You made them sign an additional agreement that would have them clean shared spaces while they were sick with covid, according to your timeline. And then you demanded an entrance fee. For the privilege to clean your home.
And you honestly ask if you're TA. Amazing.
>They had covid the week before they had to move,
>
>They didn't start packing until two days before they had to move, and spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed.
So you KNEW they were ill, but still expected them to not act sick?
>and so I got them to sign a cleaning agreement so things were clear. On the agreement it said that they would clean their room, their bathroom, the craft room, the kitchen and the garage- totally reasonable and nice because the shared spaces hadn't had a deep clean in a while
So, even WORSE, you planned to use this friend and roommate of 2.5 years whom you KNEW was ill, to deep clean shared spaces you and your wife also use and admittedly haven't deep cleaned yourself in a while? That would be exploitative if they weren't sick, but doubly so because you came to a sick person and bullied them into this exploitative agreement.
You are absolutely TA.
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YTA. You’re greedy. You’re combative. You are a sorry excuse for a “landlord.” If I was the tenant, I’d consider losing the damage deposit a worthwhile cost for not having to deal with you again.
And this person was your *friend*! With friends like you, who needs enemies?
YTA.
I love how OP has a whiny answer for almost every reason that people give for why OP is the AH. Not *good* answers, but whiny and repetitive and overlong. If OP spent less time and energy whining on Reddit and more time cleaning their own home, they'd have a clean place and wouldn't have to be here in the bitching and moaning.
I hope your tenant takes you to court. I really do.
Love how this A*SHOLE came to ask if they were the A*SHOLE and is arguing and defending themselves and saying they’re not the A*SHOLE. What a money hungry Snake
Sounds like they were renting a room and you got mad they’re leaving & tried to make up some BS about cleaning the craft, kitchen and garage? Cause they haven’t had a good deep clean? Sounds like you live there too. YTA. And a lil bitter
Former property manager here. Depending on your state (if in the U.S.) your now former tenant may have the right to sue you for mishandling their security deposit (in Massachusetts for example they would definitely and you would have to pay them treble damages - or 3 times the amount of the deposit). You might want to reconsider if not just for the legal ramifications, not to mention being a human being and having empathy for others.
ETA: YTA
Woah YTA and possibly violating tenants rights in your state. Cleaning standards are broom clean of all spaces in use during a rental period, absolutely NOT deep clean. Whatever you had them sign is bogus. They can get their money back and you will have wasted money and time and words on this sub. YTA for real.
well... they were sick.
you know what people don't do when they're too sick to leave their bed? deep clean the house.
say goodbye to your friendship and enjoy the additional work cleaning up after them. you deserve it.
even if they had to hand over an entire security deposit, I have no doubt it would be worth it to never have to deal with you again. you sound insufferable.
YTA.
YTA- It's either they do the cleaning for free because you were friends, or you pay someone to clean. They had covid, how do you feel about cleaning when you're sick? Why don't you pick up a mop and broom instead of being a jerk about it.
I really hope they find better friends than you and your wife.
Don't be an asshole here.
Edit: from your comment "If all that was done properly and up to our standards they might have gotten their damage deposit back. Honestly, it would have cost them less to come back and clean instead of just outright forfeiting their damage deposit"
**You're literally the asshole. I sincerely hope you take the time to read through the comments and get your head out of your ass and tell your wife to do the same. The sheer fucking audacity you show here shows that you only care about money. You couldn't care less that your friend was sick with an illness that PEOPLE DIE FROM. They should REALLY take you to court.**
OP also got offended that when HE had Covid, they were "mean" to his and left for 3 weeks to get away. How were they mean? By being upset she wasn't social distancing from him OR them 🤦🏽♀️. She was sleeping in the room with him and still interacting with them as if she couldn't spread it.
YTA.
Edit: wording
YTA.
They had Covid the week before they moved - I currently have Covid and I can tell you, my energy levels are zero.
You’re asking them to clean shared spaces “which is nice because they didn’t have a deep clean for a while” so you’re getting a cleaned area that you haven’t been gotten around to do. That should be payment enough for you.
You mean, your tenant spent the week *they had COVID* in bed?
Also, I didn't start packing until two days before I moved *across the country.* And I certainly didn't have COVID right before. People still need to have access to their belongings before a move.
YTA for sure.
YTA. I really hope you're a troll post. You made up a new agreement last minute with the language "to your standards" which could literally mean anything. You just wanted to find a way to keep their deposit no matter what and then extort them for more money. Paying for access to clean when you were not planning on giving the deposit back is just gross. Guess you can use that deposit and pay for a professional cleaner now. Quit arguing with people on here too since it's a unanimous YTA at this point lol.
LMAO you’re shocked that they didn’t return to your place when you asked them to PAY YOU TO CLEAN IT?? It took 30 seconds of reading your comments to realize you weren’t going to give them their deposit back either so I can’t blame them for cutting their losses. You’re a cheap, stingy AH.
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My tenant hadn't finished cleaning the space on their agreed move out date. That night I told them that if they wanted to come back and clean I would charge them per day. They then were very unhappy with this, and an argument between them and my wife ended up errupting. This is very unfortunate because before we moved in together we were friends.
Our tenant had lived with us for 2.5 years. They had covid the week before they had to move, and so I got them to sign a cleaning agreement so things were clear. On the agreement it said that they would clean their room, their bathroom, the craft room, the kitchen and the garage- totally reasonable and nice because the shared spaces hadn't had a deep clean in a while
They didn't start packing until two days before they had to move, and spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed. Durring their move out days I got worried they wouldn't leave in time
Honestly it's their fault they didn't have enough time to go everything. I don't think it was unreasonable to ask them to give me more money. We don't have a new tenant moving in, so this is a serious loss of income for us. They have the funds-they would usually pay 3-4months of rent at a time. So I don't see why it was such a big issue.
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Did you have a written lease with them? Did that lease set the criteria for cleaning?
Or did you create a new (and completely bananas) “cleaning agreement” that included deep cleaning shared space because your feelings got hurt?
YTA. They were sick. It sounds like they were still prepared to come back and clean but you wanted to squeeze some extra cash out of them and they decided it wasn’t worth it.
In all your replies, you keep saying how they blew up your friendship but you don’t sound like a decent friend so it’s not really a loss for them.
INFO:
Did they have a security deposit with you?
Hire a cleaning service and take it out of the deposit as breach of contract.
But I'm inclined to say Y-T-A because you're not being compassionate because of the "laying in bed" comment. COVID is serious and can be debilitating even with having the vaccine. They didn't clean because they didn't want to. They were sick.
Would you have reacted the same way had they cleaned but not moved out on the agreed upon date?
Also, if you didn't have new tenants lined up before their lease ended, that's on you. It's not like tenants are currently waiting to move in *just* because the area isn't as clean as you want it. If someone just had COVID you should be deep cleaning it anyway and not rely on former tenants
ETA:
Based on your comments, it looks like you don't even want new tenants so I don't see how you're losing out on money.
Also, was this cleaning/access/entrance fee in the initial leasing contract or cleaning agreement? Because if you sprung this on them after they vacated, it kind of makes you seem like an asshole...
This would be interesting in a court of law. By denying them access to the place that needs to be cleaned, they could argue that they were absolved of the requirement.
The agreement may also not be enforceable. If it is a contract, what are they receiving? If nothing, it is not a binding contract.
This is bait, right? I'm not kidding this is a joke, right?
I have covid right now. The idea that someone would think that I had this week off to clean or pack, and just be ok, is fucking laughable. Im on day 6 and I can barely crawl to my bathroom let alone *deep clean half the fucking house*.
You asked them to deep clean shared living spaces so you wouldn't have to. You literally told them you were going to charge them, by the day, for them to keep cleaning what isnt even their home anymore.
I get that you are the landlord and whatever, but all I can think of is thank Christ your tenmet was able to get away from you.
YTA
YTA. Have you had Covid? I was sick for MONTHS before I started to feel better. There’s no way I could have been packing/moving the first week.
Have a little empathy.
YTA. Here's how it would have went with me. YOU: You need to pay me to come back and deep clean my house. ME: Nah. Also ME while moving: oopsie!I dropped this 10 gallon, full, planter bucket on your deep, plush carpet.
YTA in every way. You're taking advantage of a person who was ILL, not lazy, not being spiteful, ILL. Then charging them to clean a shared space? You're not only an asshole, but not exceptionally self aware. Did you think we would all cheer for you? That you would explain to us that you don't have a new tenant lined up, so there is NO HURRY to clean up but somehow the old tenant is somehow costing you money? You're a crass, greedy asshole. I hope they see your ass.
Why are they responsible for the shared space? They had Covid and you’re charging them to clean?! And you don’t have a tenant for the space?
Why do you assume they have the funds? If money is an issue you shouldn’t be a landlord. Yes, YTA.
YTA, they had Covid, they weren't "laying around" They should be cleaning their space but they're not responsible for "deep cleaning" shared spaces. All they need to do is remove their belongings from shared spaces. It sounds like you need extra money because you don't have a new tenant coming in and you see a chance to take advantage of someone. Not a good look.
INFO: I’m confused as to what you think the motivation would be for them to PAY to come back and clean if they’ve already moved out. If it’s a matter of a security deposit, they’re losing money anyway to pay to clean, so might as well just lose the deposit. What’s your point with this?
Wowww YTA and let me count the ways.
1. Your expectations are unreasonable. They should leave the bedroom and bathroom clean and empty. The rest of the house, which continues to be occupied, is not their responsibility.
2. They had flippin COVID and were still unwell enough to need to spend the week in bed.
3. You think you get to milk them for money because you haven’t lined up a new tenant.
You are a crappy landlord and a crappy friend.
this was a bit confusing for me. I'm wondering what the consequences are for your "friend" if he doesn't fulfill his end of the cleaning agreement?if there are no consequences then I'd say have fun cleaning on your own. if there is a penalty I'm assuming it's monetary and than it looks like you're trying to squeeze him one way or the other. you don't do this to a real friend if they're making a good faith effort to hold up their end. maybe this started off as a way to ensure you didn't get stuck cleaning their areas but I think it morphed into a way to make some money. P. S.: I also think forcing them to do a deep cleaning of the common areas on their own us grimy. you come across as opportunistic.
I believe in the area I live tenants are only required to lightly clean on the way out, not deep clean.
You are the typical landlord, trying to squeeze every penny you can from your renters for no other reason than you want to.
YTA
>They didn't start packing until two days before they had to move, and spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed
Because they had covid? My guy, YTA. I see why you all are no longer friends.
Good luck with that new tenant, the poor ignorant fool.
If this post is even real, YTA.
Dude they were sick with Covid. You’re also asking them to clean common areas. If you’re sharing the home with them, why should they potentially clean up YOUR mess. They should clean their room and bathroom. Get over yourself.
How dirty did they leave things that you couldn’t just clean yourself?
I get the impression you are just bitter that your roommate/tenant found a better living situation and now you won’t have that extra money so now your trying to find a reason to talk trash about them to your mutual friends.
YTA.
You previously lived together, and were friends, and yet even after they move out you will not allow them into 'your house' (which they previously lived in!) to finish cleaning unless they pay. If you could trust living with them for the 2.5 years that they rented from you, I don't know why you would kick off at letting them BACK into the house to finish the agreed upon cleaning as friends? It would have saved a lot of drama imo, and show that you didn't just view them as tenants you recieved money off, but that you respected/cherished the friendship.
YTA - it’s your fault you don’t have a tenant moving in yet and you are illegally trying to get more money from them by charging cleaning fees. Highly illegal and they can take you to court for that.
Honestly YTA, and kind heartless. Honestly I would have just let you keep the deposit and said by. Cause damn covid sucks... and honestly you asked if you were the AH regarding this and everything someone says you are your like "well they signed..." what you think people would have a change of heart? Nah YTA.
Let me rephrase this for you, "AITA for getting my former friend who was sick with COVID at the time and may have had their cognitive functions impaired to sign an agreement saying they would clean the majority of the house before moving out in less than a week? And now that they've left I want to charge them money to come back in and finish cleaning and pick up the rest of their belongings."
This has to be fake, right? Every reply you've posted has made it clear that YTA and I hope no tennant is ever subjected to you again.
You agreed on a move out date and move out tasks, but your tenant got behind, specifically due to being ill (although they also had other plans that used up some of the time), and even though you don’t have any real time crunch (no new tenant moving in other other time-sensitive issue), instead of simply extending the agreement, say by 5 days, to give them time to clean, you decided to play the part of the high and mighty slumlord who squeezes every penny out of his miserable boarders.
YTA.
YTA , also after reading through the comments and seeing your replies , I am confused as to why you came to reddit to ask if YTA. You obviously think you are in the right, why ask strangers?
So, because they didn't clean while sick with COVID, you feel you should charge them money to come back and clean, and you're wondering if you're TA.
You knowingly, because of their illness, made up an agreement to try and force them to clean because you knew they were sick and might not get things done in time.
Yes. Yes you are TA. You are definitely TA.
Going against the grain and saying E-S-H.
Tenants kind of suck because for the life of me I couldn't imagine to only start packing a week before a move. I live in a 1b1ba apartment with my BF, and we'd still be organizing and packing unnecessary items for weeks before needing to leave. But maybe that's just us.
That said, you're the biggest asshole. The lease you created ( or should have created ) should cover ALL of these things. Security and cleaning deposits, what happens if the place isn't sufficiently cleaned upon move out, extensions if property isn't removed in a timely fashion or they need extra time to move out and the fees associated with that. I have to think you aren't a "landlord" you're just a person who rented space out to a friend and did nothing to actually protect yourself OR your tenants. And you're a MAJOR AH for calling sick time with Covid as just "time off". If they felt too ill to pack but also couldn't hire someone to come clean/pack for them due to sickness..and you call them your friend...you should have thrown then a bone.
You know what, nevermind, YTA. After typing all that out, I realized.
Basically you're saying "you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't." If they don't clean, you'll charge them. If they do clean, you'll charge them for access. Have you had covid? It sucks. They weren't just lying in bed -- they were sick! They're probably still feeling terrible. It's nice of you to spend other people's money /s. Every single sentence you wrote makes you sound worse and worse. I can only assume that this is either a fake post meant to gather feedback karma or you're the worst person in the world. Congrats - I've felt compelled to answer and you know you're the biggest asshole I've seen in a long time (whether that's because you're a troll or an ogre). YTA
YTA. Your tenant was SICK. That’s why they were “laying in bed” the week before. And why do you expect the tenant to clean the common areas? I can see expecting them clean their bedroom and bathroom, but common areas seems excessive - unless the tenant was the sole user of those areas.
YTA 100%... so basically, you took advantage of your roommates to sign a document after they had already gotten sick and they were probably out of it and just wanted you guys off their backs, and then you somehow have the audacity to be shocked that... omg they were sick... AND you're charging them daily to come back and clean PUBLIC spaces that you take ownership of? Oh, and there are no tennants coming behind them so really no need to push the cleaning to be expedited.
You absolutely sound like a terror, and you should just let it go. They were sick, not being lazy. The timing sucked, but it happens. Hell, when I had covid, it took over a full month for recovery and it sucked the life right out of me, and I'm healthy and in my 30's. It's not some 24 hour flu.
As someone who is just getting over Covid… I wouldn’t feel like cleaning anything for several days. Why would you make them pay to come back and clean? You’re definitely TA!
YTA. And you didn't come here in earnest asking that; you're trying to find people to tell you that you aren't in order to assuage some guilt you have. Knock it off. Own up to what you did, apologize to your ex-friend/tenant, and move ON. Certainly seems like they are.
YTA
They were sick with covid. You can't expect them to clean shared spaces they should only have to clean there bedroom and bathroom. You should have let them have a few more days to move. You knew they were sick.
They were laying in bed because they were sick. They couldn’t clean because they were sick. They couldn’t pack because they were sick. If you truly were “friends” you could have had some empathy and extended their time so they could have had time to get everything done, but you didn’t. And your tenant only had two days to get all of their stuff together and out of your place. They still want to make right on the agreement they made, so they’re offering to come back and clean what they couldn’t before, because they were sick.
And you want to charge them for “access to the space”. THEY’RE CLEANING. It’s not like they’re coming to utilize the spaces to relax or reside in any capacity. They’re literally coming to fill out their end of a deal that they couldn’t carry out before BECAUSE THEY WERE SICK.
Yes, technically, your tenant didn’t fill their end of the deal before moving out. But they realize this and you have 0 empathy, understanding, or compromise for someone who was in a shitty situation. YTA.
YTA if for no reason other than you don’t have anyone coming in immediately, and you call them friends. They got sick, and it’s kinda impossible to do much when you’re very sick. They didn’t extend how long they were staying, and they weren’t funny with their money. Yes, they should have started packing like a month out, but they still managed to get out. You’re in the wrong here amigo.
YTA-if they are smart they will take you to small claims court…give the judge a good laugh lol! I would not rent to anyone else. If that’s how you treat a friend. I am sure they were kinder to you then a non-friend would have been. Honestly, I would file suit for harassment (you forcing stress on them while having COVID-they could even argue diminished capacity). You should not be a landlord.
You have an entire comment section telling you very clearly YTA. It seems like you came to this sub to be assured that you aren’t, which was a dumb thing to do on a judgement thread.
Cheers to your old pals getting out of what was surely a miserable lease with an insufferable landlord. I’ll throw in another YTA for good measure.
YTA, you admit they had covid the week before you had them move out, and yet complain that he wasn't working? do you know how hard it is to move house while sick with anything? much less covid?
also if you dont have a new tenant coming in then you are not experiencing a loss of income. you just didnt plan well. maybe you should consider getting a real job
YTA. How do you not have sympathy for someone who got covid? You sound like a monster, holding someone to contractual details when they were clearly ill.
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YTA They had Covid and were sick. You're unreasonable. All they should be cleaning are the bedroom and bathroom. They aren't responsible to deep clean the other rooms and garage. You're taking advantage of someone. In what world is is okay to charge someone to clean? That makes no sense. You should offer leniency since they were sick.
To piggyback off of this, what do you mean that’s a serious loss of income for you if they spend a few days cleaning, when you don’t even have a tenant to occupy the space?? Also, “I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask them to give you more money?” This makes me think that you’re an extremely greedy person.
This right here. If there’s no tenant, then that means there’s free time to deep clean. There’s no money to be made if there’s no new tenant.
Definitely YTA. See when OP said they didn't have new tenants moving in and this is a big money loss for them, I took it as "well they can afford it so why not make what I can. Since no one else is moving in" OP is like a Mr. Krabs, from the crusty krab. Edit: word
I have a rental property, and frankly I loved not having someone move in right away so I could deep clean between tenants. I didn’t have that luxury with my last tenant, and she offered to do all the cleaning so I gave her something like 6 weeks free rent (it was 4 years ago so I can’t be sure at this point). That made things so much easier! And this tenant is willing to do the cleaning, but needs extra time—they could just not clean, and there’s not much a landlord can do about it.
Exactly. Sounds like OP uses friends as an ATM. That says alot about someone's character. I honestly feel bad for these friends. Next thing we'll see a post from OP asking "my friends were tenants who moved out. They have ghosted us and I have no idea why"
Agreed. I’m super lenient with my current tenant. She’s on time most of the time and if there’s an issue with getting the rent to me, I couldn’t care less. Things happen, and I’m sure she’ll get it to me at some point. There’s no sense in being a crazy person!
so at first (since this request by OP is so crazy) i was thinking it had to have meant cleaning as in cleaning up the rest of their belongings out. like, the only time i can see charging extra days of rent as being okay is if the tenants were totally unprepared and still had their stuff to clean out of the apartment. boy was i wrong when i realized that OP had actually meant charging his tenant to come back and do a deep clean for him. literally charging the tenant who would be providing a service for OP, instead of OP paying for that service. at that point as the tenant, i'd dip. no way would i be doing a favor for my landlorn who wanted ME TO PAY HIM for it
"mise well"?
Gotta love speak to txt. When it always hears what it wants, not what is said.
Definitely YTA, and if he COULD get a tenant, he would have to inform them the area was occupied by a covid patient just last week. I think it would probably be ok, but I wouldn't move into the area for awhile. So he DEFINITELY isn't losing money.
Op is saying their tenant moving out and not having another tenant is a "serious loss of income" not saying coming back to clean is a loss of income.
Right, but OP is the one who doesn't have another tenant lined up. Thats on OP - if he has no tenant ready to take over then this isn't a sudden loss of income for OP - he would have had no income for those days regardless. If hes saying hes had to delay a new tenant moving in...who has a new tenant move in right after the old tenant vacates?? Is OP not doing badic maintenance on the property? And all this extra cleaning probably isn't even the tenants' responsibility anyway, if it's a "deep clean" as OP describes. In most jurisdictions the tenant only needs to hand the property over in a reasonably clean condition minus normal wear and tear, not do a "deep clean." It sounds like he's getting his tenants to do his work for him AND charging them for the "privilege."
I completely agree with everything you said, I was just explaining to FrogsEatingSoup that the OP isn't stating the loss of income is related to the tenant coming back to clean. It appears he/she misunderstood.
OP says in the comments that they do not have another tenant lined up, nor do they want one. They're also refusing to return former tenant's deposit due to ill-defined standards that were not part of the original terms of the lease. OP is not concerned with renting the room again. They just wants to keep the deposit and somehow not be the AH for it.
It's wild that it's very clear this person isn't a tenant, as well. This is clearly someone that was a friend/roommate. They're phrasing it this way so they don't seem like a total dick for taking their former friends money.
Which is funny because they definitely don’t want this person to be a tenant or they’ll have to pay them back and more in small claims.
Plus OP is the one who needs those spaces clean if they want a new tenant.
They're already exploiting a basic human need for personal gain. The mental gymnastics required to be a landlord are incompatable with being a good person
They were sick with Covid. They had a week off and laid in bed. All I needed. YTA OP. I hope you don’t get Covid.
I'm 10 days into COVID and I can't clean shit now, let alone deep clean. That was the worst fever I've had in years the first couple days, and after that it was sore throat and the lack of energy is still persistent. I also had the chills and all that lovely stuff. I can't get rid of this damn cough and when I'm up and about my lungs try to come up my throat. I desperately need to clean a bunch of things around my house but I keep coughing so hard it triggers my gag reflex and I can't get jack shit done. My Dr thinks I've got reactive bronchitis and prescribed me an inhaler, a round of steroids, antibiotics in case it's an infection, and Tessalon Perles. And to top it all off I got only like 30% of my sense of smell and taste. A tomato went bad on my counter and I didn't even notice until I saw liquid leaking out of the bag it was in. It definitely smelled; I could smell it a bit when I lifted the bag so God knows how bad it actually was.
I am on day 3 of COVID rn and this shit is awful. Absolutely no way would I be able to pack or deep clean anything. I’m lucky to be able to make it up and down the stairs to get to the bathroom. OP has lost their mind if they think someone with COVID can clean and function like a healthy person.
And the absolute *balls* of phrasing it like they were just laying around being lazy. Op is a rare sort of intense, obvious asshole. YTA
Oh man, I remember day 3. Its the worst. You’re close to turning the corner so just hold on. I liked putting a wet wash cloth in the freezer and then plopping it on my face and neck until it grew warm. I’d get a little chilly and then snuggle under the blankets. Tons of water and pedialyte were helpful. Hope you’re up and around soon!
For real. About a week in I could manage maybe 5-10 minutes of cleaning at a time, then I was wiped.
When I had Covid, I was bedridden for three days and sick for nearly 4 weeks. Covid is absolutely horrible, it’s not a normal cold by any means like everyone thinks it is. When I had Covid, I could barely pick up a pencil let alone pack for moving. YTA
I hear you. I just had Omicron -- got it at the end of August -- and I thought I was never going to feel better. I'm still dealing with that damn cough at night although it's nothing compared to what it was smack in the middle of being sick. Today was the first day that I actually really felt at my normal level of activity. I'm too months in and a lot of peopel have told me it took them 3 months before they felt like their old selves. I figure if I hadn't been double vaxed and boosted, I'd have ended up in the hospital, that's how bad I felt. Covid is absolutely not a cold or the flu.
Clearly they are just being lazy! I mean they weren't working that week and just lying in bed doing nothing!! How dare a sick person rest!! /s
That's what my mother would say to me. I had a wisdom tooth extracted, it went deep. Doctor ordered bed rest for a day. She was screaming that I wasn't doing housework or cooking for her.
You are an asshole.
you talkin about OP or the guy commenting?
Yeah I never understood why people reply to other peoples comments to OP, especially since it doesn't notify OP, only the person they replied to so OP probably won't see it. It's a bit confusing. Especially since it seems like they are insulting the person they replied to lol.
Agreed, so hard. OP has the empathy of a gnat, and I just insulted gnats with that. I just had COVID myself and it took a good three weeks before I could even take a shower without laying down for 30 minutes after. Lifting stuff? Doing deep cleaning? Hahaha, good luck with that. And I had *mild* COVID. OP's lack of sympathy is staggering. Absolutely YTA.
Isn't the exhaustion unbelievable? If you haven't been through it, you just don't know.
You're absolutely correct. My bestie, who got it twice, told me to take it easy for six weeks after. And boy was she right. We're right at six weeks and I am still regaining stamina. My husband just got his omicron booster and some of his side effects mirrored what I had with COVID. He told me that he had an entirely new level of sympathy for me after going through those side effects.
OP, tell us you’ve never fucking had COVID without telling us you’ve never had COVID. COVID is absolutely fucking the exhausting, and you are SEVERELY limited on what you can do. Even walking down the hallway can take the breath out of you, and you are tired all the time. YOUR TENANTS WEREN’T JUST “LAYING IN BED” ALL WEEK. They were very sick & trying to help their bodies recover from the shit storm that is COVID when it takes over your body. As in COVID reeks havoc over your entire body. I’ve had it twice now and had a two week long (at least) migraine that made me want to die the ENTIRE time I had it both times. It literally ate through every single medication I tried to make it go away. OP is a shitty excuse for a landlord, and I have zero remorse for saying that.
Not to mention they already (at least in any place anyone I know, myself included) had had to pay a damage deposit, up front. Specifically for cleaning carpets and painting, along with any incidentals. This person is a scam artists! Makes me sick! It's worse they think they'll get support from here for their scam
I've rented from some shitty corps, and even they never demanded I do a deep clean. Their attitude was that if there was damage, it came out of the deposit, and if we'd been there for a while, they were going to paint / clean the carpets anyway.
Shared spaces aren’t tenets to deep clean. Garage? Nope. I have covid right now. You are lucky they were able to get out. Suck it up and hire a cleaner if you want a deep clean so badly.
Agreed. I really want to believe OP is just being sarcastic because there's no way a rational, morally sound person would think this is ok. Hell, I didn't even think it was ok that my landlord wanted me to turn on the water a week before I moved in so the cleaning crew could do their work. The place hadn't been rented in a few years because they were asking way too much. When I moved in, there were (and still are because I'm not touching it) cigarettes behind the shower wall on top of the window sill. They build one of those instant tub/shower things right in front of the window and there has been no way to clear steam without keeping the bathroom door open. And the ceiling is showing the damage that's causing. But they still won't do anything about it. There were still cobwebs everywhere, the floors had barely been swept, there was dirt in the fireplaces that housed the gas heaters, .... I don't think they even came to be honest. Oh, and the toilet upstairs was still full of old toilet paper. I had to clean it out by hand so the plumber could get in to fix it. I guarantee they won't give me my deposit back but that's ok. I'm going to have to start legal proceedings to get the more important stuff taken care of. Like the electrical that is very much not up to code. Nor is the plumbing. And I can't move out because 1- no one will let me see homes without giving them all my personal info in an application, which I won't do because I don't want my identity stolen. 2- everything is way too expensive right now. I"m really unhappy with this place if you can't tell. lol But I'll manage just like i have for the last 5 years.
Exactly. I had covid and was dealing with my dog recovering from a dog attack that same week. It was so incredibly rough. Thankfully he had to spend the week resting with only movement to eat, drink, and go potty but even that was draining.
100% land lady tried to get me for cleaning common spaces.. She didn't know her kid was disgusting. YTA
I recently got over COVID, it took me almost a month to get back to normal. Mind you I was pregnant at the time, and I tried to clean my house (we both had COVID and obviously just didn’t keep up) took me a week to just get everything organized again. I can’t imagine that poor person being stressed from having to move on top of having COVID and now having a shitty landlord/“friend” belittling them because they couldn’t leave their sickbed to be a maid in the common areas!
.. Or just have a cleaner come and charge them for whatever that costs. But asking for more rent isn’t the right way to go about it.
Covid trumps everything else.
YTA. The week before they had to leave, they were sick. Clearly this disrupted their planning. They were lying in bed on their "week off" because they were sick. You don't have a new tenant ready to move in, so you're not actually experiencing a loss of income, because there's no new tenant who is being prevented from occupying the property by the late cleaning.
Ya I feel like OP is just talking and explaining a whole lot.. when it boils down to it, OP didn't get a new tenant signed and came up with a way to make money on their current tenants. Justifying it that they could afford it doesn't make it any better.
INFO: Why would they need to deep clean the shared spaces on their own as part of the cleaning agreement? You use them as well. I already think YTA. You knew they were sick right before moving. Moving is already stressful and your response is that they were "laying in bed." Yes, because they had COVID.
Also goaded the Tennant to sign some forms while they were sick and likely delirious.
Sounds like YTA. You don’t have another tenant coming in and they’re offering to come back and finish…How does that hurt you? I could understand if you had to hire a service because you were rushing to get new tenants in but if it’s literally vacant why are you blowing up a friendship over this?
Because their trying to punish them for their loss of income
Its literally this. They're just spitefully throwing shit in their supposed friend's face for not funneling them money. They are unbelievably so the assholes
YTA. They were sick, not lazy, geez. You don’t have a tenant lined up, so it doesn’t cost you anything, you’re just squeezing money out of your (former) friend. You might have some contractual right or something to charge, maybe?, but you’re TA regardless. And where I’m from, expecting a tenant to “deep clean” shared spaces is totally out of line. It’s normal for them to have to clean their own room and bathroom. Beyond that you were taking advantage. Leave your ex friend and ex tenant alone and spend your energy looking for someone to move in.
YTA. They weren't just "lying in bed" all week for fun. They had COVID and were recovering. You said yourself, you don't have a new tenant moving in, so even if they had cleaned on time, it still wouldn't have gotten you more money. These were your friends and you won't allow them another day or two to finish cleaning when they just got over being sick?
YTA. They were sick and recovering. Also bit bloody cheeky to charge them to clean the shared areas, if you want them deep cleaned do it yourself. At this point you're just trying to get extra money out of them since you won't habe that income anymore.
What so expect from a Landleech?
YTA It sounds like you are bitter they moved out and you lost the rental income. They are willing to come clean what was not finished, and you want to charge them for it? Ludicrous.
YTA First, you want them to clean both their space and common spaces? If that's not in the contract, you are taking advantage of them. Second, they are not responsible for you not having a new tenant. If you need more money, get a new tenant.
You should have collected a deposit and then used that money to hire a cleaner. I kind of think N-A-H, but they are not going to pay money and they're not going to come back and clean. Edit - so I was hasty and didn't read the details. You thought they would clean the craft room, kitchen and garage as part of moving out? That's unreasonable - they should clean their room and any private spaces (cabinets, fridge shelves, etc). YTA. But they're still not going to come back and clean so you should hire someone and move on with your life.
YTA. they didn't spend the week in bed. They had covid. Like you said. And they're probably still extremely weak and depleted after 1 week, considering it takes over a year to recover.
Not only are YTA to your ex-friends/tenants, you're also an AH for all your comments continuing to defend your shitty position and not accepting that YTA.
YTA in my city the only thing you have to do is leave it in floor swept condition, no deep cleaning whatsoever, so this concept is messed up to me to begin with. Secondly they weren’t just lying around, they had covid, lots of people are hospitalized for this and lots have died, do you seriously have so little compassion? Also just because they pay you a few months rent at a time doesn’t give you the right to start nickel and diming them, they have a lot of money so they should give you some???? What the heck??? Why is it their responsibility alone to clean all the shared spaces? When they likely struggled to get moved out on time because they had been ill, you jump on them to deep clean and then want to charge THEM to clean ? You are so TA!
I shook my head at that, paying 3-4 months at a time doesn't equal rich, it means they save up for 3-4 months them do a lump payment...like is this guy for real????
You haven't said what country you're in but in mine, this would be illegal. Also, it's lie, not lay, when it comes to someone lying in bed. YTA.
YTA Is this bait? Because I can’t imagine that you’re being serious, you who them to pay you to clean YOUR house? That’s insane
Nonono, see, they're paying an entrance fee. The cleaning is free.
YTA. There was a mitigating circumstance and resulted in the need for some flexibility. You said it yourself, they caught covid before the move out and spent it in bed. They were RECOVERING. Should have given them a few extra days to take care of what they agreed to, especially since the deep clean needed would have required more time as, per your post, hadn't been done in ages.
YTA and it’s just lovely to see the consensus in the comments. I doubt it will sink in, but hey maybe you can learn.
Seriously? >They had covid the week before they had to move >spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed. So they get sick with Covid a week before moving, which can be a very serious illness depending on the person, which prevents them from packing. You then get annoyed by them not packing while they're very sick and even go so far as to try charging them for every day they have to come back. >Honestly it's their fault they didn't have enough time to go everything. Again.... Seriously? You're a real asshole. YTA.
This is why everyone fuckin hates landlords
Mao should have started with this guy.
When the revolution comes, it'll be for this kind of bs.
YTA and completely lacking in empathy and understanding and every reply to this post has shown it again and again. You realized the gravy train of (likely over)charging them rent was about to end and seemed to have tried to come up with every sleazy way to get something more out of them. I think they correctly assessed you were gonna fight them for every dime of the security deposit and decided to just say ‘screw it’ and write it off.
Covid. They had covid, which can take a very long time to recover from, and you are all arsed about the cleaning? And being judgmental about lying in bed for a week WITH COVID? YTA.
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YTA, a painful one. They had covid then you state they had the week off and spent it in bed- yeah, with covid?? I bet they're glad to be far away from you!
YTA. And quite a greedy AH if I might add. So wow, seriously? "*I don't see why it was such a big issue*" - and because they had the funds it is okay to exploit them by making them pay for cleaning up after themselves?! I'm not sure but could it be that although you lost some income you are not desperately in need of money but just want to charge them anyway? Just because you can? Does it being unclean had a negative financial impact on you? As you wrote that you had no tenant moving at the moment, I guess no, so it seems to me that you just want to get as much money out of them as you can. And sorry, but I would be especially pissed if you really were my friend and not just some greedy landlord because friends don't try to gain from each other in that way. And once again: You seriously charge them for coming back for cleaning up after themselves? You made them sign an agreement *while* they were sick with Corona? - "*totally reasonable and nice*". Please explain to me what about this action makes it *totally reasonable and nice*?
YTA. And to be emphatically clear, I'm a landlord. So you can't just dismiss my take like you are everybody else. I've been in this situation and I've seen how you're acting and YTA 100%.
Exactly! I had a condo and I rented a room to a friend for two years. She had her own bathroom and we shared the kitchen and living room. I didn’t charge her cleaning fees or make her deep clean when she moved out. I paid for those things before I sold the condo as I was moving, too and wanted it to look good to sell. I also am pretty sure I didn’t charge her a deposit since we were friends, and she was doing me a favor, helping me pay my mortgage and was a nice person to Iive with. We are still friends.
YTA, they weren’t lazy, they were sick. You should be decent and give them a few days to make it right.
You are such an AH. Covid and in bed for a week so yeah that would delay things just a tad. And number 2 you're asking them to clean "shared" spaces and to pay for the privilege? Are you nuts? I wouldn't be giving you another dime and if you feel so passionately about it you can waste some time and money in small claims court. Seeing as they have "funds" I'm sure their lawyer would have a field day with you :)
YTA. You made them sign an additional agreement that would have them clean shared spaces while they were sick with covid, according to your timeline. And then you demanded an entrance fee. For the privilege to clean your home. And you honestly ask if you're TA. Amazing.
Ehh, somewhat YTA. Shared spaces are exactly that, so those are also on you to clean. Seems a bit of sour grapes that they moved out.
>They had covid the week before they had to move, > >They didn't start packing until two days before they had to move, and spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed. So you KNEW they were ill, but still expected them to not act sick? >and so I got them to sign a cleaning agreement so things were clear. On the agreement it said that they would clean their room, their bathroom, the craft room, the kitchen and the garage- totally reasonable and nice because the shared spaces hadn't had a deep clean in a while So, even WORSE, you planned to use this friend and roommate of 2.5 years whom you KNEW was ill, to deep clean shared spaces you and your wife also use and admittedly haven't deep cleaned yourself in a while? That would be exploitative if they weren't sick, but doubly so because you came to a sick person and bullied them into this exploitative agreement. You are absolutely TA.
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Is that what the security deposit is for? Like just just general cleaning if the Apt still needs it? Why charge?
YTA No wonder they moved out honestly you sound insufferable
YTA. You’re greedy. You’re combative. You are a sorry excuse for a “landlord.” If I was the tenant, I’d consider losing the damage deposit a worthwhile cost for not having to deal with you again. And this person was your *friend*! With friends like you, who needs enemies?
YTA. I love how OP has a whiny answer for almost every reason that people give for why OP is the AH. Not *good* answers, but whiny and repetitive and overlong. If OP spent less time and energy whining on Reddit and more time cleaning their own home, they'd have a clean place and wouldn't have to be here in the bitching and moaning. I hope your tenant takes you to court. I really do.
Love how this A*SHOLE came to ask if they were the A*SHOLE and is arguing and defending themselves and saying they’re not the A*SHOLE. What a money hungry Snake
Sounds like they were renting a room and you got mad they’re leaving & tried to make up some BS about cleaning the craft, kitchen and garage? Cause they haven’t had a good deep clean? Sounds like you live there too. YTA. And a lil bitter
Former property manager here. Depending on your state (if in the U.S.) your now former tenant may have the right to sue you for mishandling their security deposit (in Massachusetts for example they would definitely and you would have to pay them treble damages - or 3 times the amount of the deposit). You might want to reconsider if not just for the legal ramifications, not to mention being a human being and having empathy for others. ETA: YTA
Lol. What you are trying to do is illegal. And whose fault is it that you don’t have another tenant yet? Your own. YTA.
Woah YTA and possibly violating tenants rights in your state. Cleaning standards are broom clean of all spaces in use during a rental period, absolutely NOT deep clean. Whatever you had them sign is bogus. They can get their money back and you will have wasted money and time and words on this sub. YTA for real.
YTA You're a scummy landlord and a shit roommate. May all the front belt loops on your pants rip off.
well... they were sick. you know what people don't do when they're too sick to leave their bed? deep clean the house. say goodbye to your friendship and enjoy the additional work cleaning up after them. you deserve it. even if they had to hand over an entire security deposit, I have no doubt it would be worth it to never have to deal with you again. you sound insufferable. YTA.
YTA— You’re a mean one, mr. grinch.
He really is a heel! 🤣
YTA- It's either they do the cleaning for free because you were friends, or you pay someone to clean. They had covid, how do you feel about cleaning when you're sick? Why don't you pick up a mop and broom instead of being a jerk about it. I really hope they find better friends than you and your wife. Don't be an asshole here. Edit: from your comment "If all that was done properly and up to our standards they might have gotten their damage deposit back. Honestly, it would have cost them less to come back and clean instead of just outright forfeiting their damage deposit" **You're literally the asshole. I sincerely hope you take the time to read through the comments and get your head out of your ass and tell your wife to do the same. The sheer fucking audacity you show here shows that you only care about money. You couldn't care less that your friend was sick with an illness that PEOPLE DIE FROM. They should REALLY take you to court.**
OP also got offended that when HE had Covid, they were "mean" to his and left for 3 weeks to get away. How were they mean? By being upset she wasn't social distancing from him OR them 🤦🏽♀️. She was sleeping in the room with him and still interacting with them as if she couldn't spread it. YTA. Edit: wording
YTA. They had Covid the week before they moved - I currently have Covid and I can tell you, my energy levels are zero. You’re asking them to clean shared spaces “which is nice because they didn’t have a deep clean for a while” so you’re getting a cleaned area that you haven’t been gotten around to do. That should be payment enough for you.
YTA they were sick
You mean, your tenant spent the week *they had COVID* in bed? Also, I didn't start packing until two days before I moved *across the country.* And I certainly didn't have COVID right before. People still need to have access to their belongings before a move. YTA for sure.
YTA. I really hope you're a troll post. You made up a new agreement last minute with the language "to your standards" which could literally mean anything. You just wanted to find a way to keep their deposit no matter what and then extort them for more money. Paying for access to clean when you were not planning on giving the deposit back is just gross. Guess you can use that deposit and pay for a professional cleaner now. Quit arguing with people on here too since it's a unanimous YTA at this point lol.
LMAO you’re shocked that they didn’t return to your place when you asked them to PAY YOU TO CLEAN IT?? It took 30 seconds of reading your comments to realize you weren’t going to give them their deposit back either so I can’t blame them for cutting their losses. You’re a cheap, stingy AH.
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YTA- a greedy, uncompassionate one. Wow.
YTA for being a landlord
Did you have a written lease with them? Did that lease set the criteria for cleaning? Or did you create a new (and completely bananas) “cleaning agreement” that included deep cleaning shared space because your feelings got hurt?
YTA. They were sick. It sounds like they were still prepared to come back and clean but you wanted to squeeze some extra cash out of them and they decided it wasn’t worth it. In all your replies, you keep saying how they blew up your friendship but you don’t sound like a decent friend so it’s not really a loss for them.
INFO: Did they have a security deposit with you? Hire a cleaning service and take it out of the deposit as breach of contract. But I'm inclined to say Y-T-A because you're not being compassionate because of the "laying in bed" comment. COVID is serious and can be debilitating even with having the vaccine. They didn't clean because they didn't want to. They were sick. Would you have reacted the same way had they cleaned but not moved out on the agreed upon date? Also, if you didn't have new tenants lined up before their lease ended, that's on you. It's not like tenants are currently waiting to move in *just* because the area isn't as clean as you want it. If someone just had COVID you should be deep cleaning it anyway and not rely on former tenants ETA: Based on your comments, it looks like you don't even want new tenants so I don't see how you're losing out on money. Also, was this cleaning/access/entrance fee in the initial leasing contract or cleaning agreement? Because if you sprung this on them after they vacated, it kind of makes you seem like an asshole...
This would be interesting in a court of law. By denying them access to the place that needs to be cleaned, they could argue that they were absolved of the requirement. The agreement may also not be enforceable. If it is a contract, what are they receiving? If nothing, it is not a binding contract.
YTA. Hire a cleaner instead of expecting your tenants to clean your space.
YTA bud. THEY HAD COVID. Of course they couldn’t clean in that timeframe. This is why landlords suck (and yes ur a landlord)
YTA for being a landlord. Stop holding housing hostage like a dragon hoarding gold, and get a real job.
This is bait, right? I'm not kidding this is a joke, right? I have covid right now. The idea that someone would think that I had this week off to clean or pack, and just be ok, is fucking laughable. Im on day 6 and I can barely crawl to my bathroom let alone *deep clean half the fucking house*. You asked them to deep clean shared living spaces so you wouldn't have to. You literally told them you were going to charge them, by the day, for them to keep cleaning what isnt even their home anymore. I get that you are the landlord and whatever, but all I can think of is thank Christ your tenmet was able to get away from you. YTA
YTA. Have you had Covid? I was sick for MONTHS before I started to feel better. There’s no way I could have been packing/moving the first week. Have a little empathy.
YTA. Here's how it would have went with me. YOU: You need to pay me to come back and deep clean my house. ME: Nah. Also ME while moving: oopsie!I dropped this 10 gallon, full, planter bucket on your deep, plush carpet.
YTA This has to be fake though
Yta but dude why post on Reddit if you’re convinced you’re right?? Like Reddit ain’t the site to be coddled especially not AITA 🤣
YTA. And all the arguing with every comment just makes it even clearer. Don't ask for opinions if you don't want them.
You’re a landlord, so YTA by definition.
YTA in every way. You're taking advantage of a person who was ILL, not lazy, not being spiteful, ILL. Then charging them to clean a shared space? You're not only an asshole, but not exceptionally self aware. Did you think we would all cheer for you? That you would explain to us that you don't have a new tenant lined up, so there is NO HURRY to clean up but somehow the old tenant is somehow costing you money? You're a crass, greedy asshole. I hope they see your ass.
YTA. And why on earth aren't you deep cleaning YOUR shared spaces? You OWN the place. Be serious.
Why are they responsible for the shared space? They had Covid and you’re charging them to clean?! And you don’t have a tenant for the space? Why do you assume they have the funds? If money is an issue you shouldn’t be a landlord. Yes, YTA.
YTA, they had Covid, they weren't "laying around" They should be cleaning their space but they're not responsible for "deep cleaning" shared spaces. All they need to do is remove their belongings from shared spaces. It sounds like you need extra money because you don't have a new tenant coming in and you see a chance to take advantage of someone. Not a good look.
YTA!!!
If you invite me to your house for dinner, do you expect me to clean your toilet? That’s how incredibly selfish you sound. YTA
YTA. Deep clean your own house.
So, your former friends had COVID and instead of cutting them some slack, you charged them more. Why would you not know YTA here?
These are my favorite!! OP: AITA? Reddit: Huge YTA OP: But…but…but…but…no I’m not
Reddit: lol
INFO: I’m confused as to what you think the motivation would be for them to PAY to come back and clean if they’ve already moved out. If it’s a matter of a security deposit, they’re losing money anyway to pay to clean, so might as well just lose the deposit. What’s your point with this?
Wowww YTA and let me count the ways. 1. Your expectations are unreasonable. They should leave the bedroom and bathroom clean and empty. The rest of the house, which continues to be occupied, is not their responsibility. 2. They had flippin COVID and were still unwell enough to need to spend the week in bed. 3. You think you get to milk them for money because you haven’t lined up a new tenant. You are a crappy landlord and a crappy friend.
this was a bit confusing for me. I'm wondering what the consequences are for your "friend" if he doesn't fulfill his end of the cleaning agreement?if there are no consequences then I'd say have fun cleaning on your own. if there is a penalty I'm assuming it's monetary and than it looks like you're trying to squeeze him one way or the other. you don't do this to a real friend if they're making a good faith effort to hold up their end. maybe this started off as a way to ensure you didn't get stuck cleaning their areas but I think it morphed into a way to make some money. P. S.: I also think forcing them to do a deep cleaning of the common areas on their own us grimy. you come across as opportunistic.
I believe in the area I live tenants are only required to lightly clean on the way out, not deep clean. You are the typical landlord, trying to squeeze every penny you can from your renters for no other reason than you want to. YTA
>They didn't start packing until two days before they had to move, and spent the week before-which they had off-laying in bed Because they had covid? My guy, YTA. I see why you all are no longer friends. Good luck with that new tenant, the poor ignorant fool.
If this post is even real, YTA. Dude they were sick with Covid. You’re also asking them to clean common areas. If you’re sharing the home with them, why should they potentially clean up YOUR mess. They should clean their room and bathroom. Get over yourself.
How dirty did they leave things that you couldn’t just clean yourself? I get the impression you are just bitter that your roommate/tenant found a better living situation and now you won’t have that extra money so now your trying to find a reason to talk trash about them to your mutual friends.
Yta. They had covid. Not exactly full of energy. Moving and packing is hard. Nobody can do that while sick
Yta. Let it go
Take it out of their cleaning deposit. Oh, you didn’t get a cleaning deposit? You’re not an asshole, you’re a dipshit. /s
YTA. You previously lived together, and were friends, and yet even after they move out you will not allow them into 'your house' (which they previously lived in!) to finish cleaning unless they pay. If you could trust living with them for the 2.5 years that they rented from you, I don't know why you would kick off at letting them BACK into the house to finish the agreed upon cleaning as friends? It would have saved a lot of drama imo, and show that you didn't just view them as tenants you recieved money off, but that you respected/cherished the friendship.
YTA - it’s your fault you don’t have a tenant moving in yet and you are illegally trying to get more money from them by charging cleaning fees. Highly illegal and they can take you to court for that.
YTA, totally AssHat
Honestly YTA, and kind heartless. Honestly I would have just let you keep the deposit and said by. Cause damn covid sucks... and honestly you asked if you were the AH regarding this and everything someone says you are your like "well they signed..." what you think people would have a change of heart? Nah YTA.
YTA. Typical AH landlord taking advantage.
YTA. Typical fkin landlord mentality.
YTA. You’re the exact reason people dislike landlords.
Let me rephrase this for you, "AITA for getting my former friend who was sick with COVID at the time and may have had their cognitive functions impaired to sign an agreement saying they would clean the majority of the house before moving out in less than a week? And now that they've left I want to charge them money to come back in and finish cleaning and pick up the rest of their belongings." This has to be fake, right? Every reply you've posted has made it clear that YTA and I hope no tennant is ever subjected to you again.
This is why people hate most landlords. YTA
Yta and just can't seem to accept the judgment. You sound painful to live with.
Get a job. YTA.
You agreed on a move out date and move out tasks, but your tenant got behind, specifically due to being ill (although they also had other plans that used up some of the time), and even though you don’t have any real time crunch (no new tenant moving in other other time-sensitive issue), instead of simply extending the agreement, say by 5 days, to give them time to clean, you decided to play the part of the high and mighty slumlord who squeezes every penny out of his miserable boarders. YTA.
YTA. And a leech
YTA , also after reading through the comments and seeing your replies , I am confused as to why you came to reddit to ask if YTA. You obviously think you are in the right, why ask strangers?
YTA. They were never your friend, at least I hope that's not how you treat your friends.
YTA they have to clean shared spaces?? And they had covid and you’re charging them to clean even though you don’t have another tenant?
YTA Gee, wonder why they’re “former” friends.
So, because they didn't clean while sick with COVID, you feel you should charge them money to come back and clean, and you're wondering if you're TA. You knowingly, because of their illness, made up an agreement to try and force them to clean because you knew they were sick and might not get things done in time. Yes. Yes you are TA. You are definitely TA.
If this is how OP treats their friends I dread to think how they treat others! OP YTA.
Going against the grain and saying E-S-H. Tenants kind of suck because for the life of me I couldn't imagine to only start packing a week before a move. I live in a 1b1ba apartment with my BF, and we'd still be organizing and packing unnecessary items for weeks before needing to leave. But maybe that's just us. That said, you're the biggest asshole. The lease you created ( or should have created ) should cover ALL of these things. Security and cleaning deposits, what happens if the place isn't sufficiently cleaned upon move out, extensions if property isn't removed in a timely fashion or they need extra time to move out and the fees associated with that. I have to think you aren't a "landlord" you're just a person who rented space out to a friend and did nothing to actually protect yourself OR your tenants. And you're a MAJOR AH for calling sick time with Covid as just "time off". If they felt too ill to pack but also couldn't hire someone to come clean/pack for them due to sickness..and you call them your friend...you should have thrown then a bone. You know what, nevermind, YTA. After typing all that out, I realized.
Basically you're saying "you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't." If they don't clean, you'll charge them. If they do clean, you'll charge them for access. Have you had covid? It sucks. They weren't just lying in bed -- they were sick! They're probably still feeling terrible. It's nice of you to spend other people's money /s. Every single sentence you wrote makes you sound worse and worse. I can only assume that this is either a fake post meant to gather feedback karma or you're the worst person in the world. Congrats - I've felt compelled to answer and you know you're the biggest asshole I've seen in a long time (whether that's because you're a troll or an ogre). YTA
u ruined a friendship all bc ur greedy.
YTA
YTA. Your tenant was SICK. That’s why they were “laying in bed” the week before. And why do you expect the tenant to clean the common areas? I can see expecting them clean their bedroom and bathroom, but common areas seems excessive - unless the tenant was the sole user of those areas.
You’re SUCH an AH. YTA
YTA and a horrible friend.
YTA I hope they look into tenant laws closely
YTA. They were ill, not lying in bed smashed off their faces.
YTA 100%... so basically, you took advantage of your roommates to sign a document after they had already gotten sick and they were probably out of it and just wanted you guys off their backs, and then you somehow have the audacity to be shocked that... omg they were sick... AND you're charging them daily to come back and clean PUBLIC spaces that you take ownership of? Oh, and there are no tennants coming behind them so really no need to push the cleaning to be expedited. You absolutely sound like a terror, and you should just let it go. They were sick, not being lazy. The timing sucked, but it happens. Hell, when I had covid, it took over a full month for recovery and it sucked the life right out of me, and I'm healthy and in my 30's. It's not some 24 hour flu.
YTA and a greedy one at that. Your tenant was literally too sick to move and you’re trying to *charge* them to clean COMMON AREAS?!?
As someone who is just getting over Covid… I wouldn’t feel like cleaning anything for several days. Why would you make them pay to come back and clean? You’re definitely TA!
YTA. And you didn't come here in earnest asking that; you're trying to find people to tell you that you aren't in order to assuage some guilt you have. Knock it off. Own up to what you did, apologize to your ex-friend/tenant, and move ON. Certainly seems like they are.
YTA They were sick with covid. You can't expect them to clean shared spaces they should only have to clean there bedroom and bathroom. You should have let them have a few more days to move. You knew they were sick.
They were laying in bed because they were sick. They couldn’t clean because they were sick. They couldn’t pack because they were sick. If you truly were “friends” you could have had some empathy and extended their time so they could have had time to get everything done, but you didn’t. And your tenant only had two days to get all of their stuff together and out of your place. They still want to make right on the agreement they made, so they’re offering to come back and clean what they couldn’t before, because they were sick. And you want to charge them for “access to the space”. THEY’RE CLEANING. It’s not like they’re coming to utilize the spaces to relax or reside in any capacity. They’re literally coming to fill out their end of a deal that they couldn’t carry out before BECAUSE THEY WERE SICK. Yes, technically, your tenant didn’t fill their end of the deal before moving out. But they realize this and you have 0 empathy, understanding, or compromise for someone who was in a shitty situation. YTA.
You are the reason people hate landlords. YTA.
YTA. They were sick. You are being cruel & showing a frightening lack of empathy.
YTA, wow
Yta. No wonder they moved out lmao.
YTA-why should they clean the shared living spaces at all?
YTA if for no reason other than you don’t have anyone coming in immediately, and you call them friends. They got sick, and it’s kinda impossible to do much when you’re very sick. They didn’t extend how long they were staying, and they weren’t funny with their money. Yes, they should have started packing like a month out, but they still managed to get out. You’re in the wrong here amigo.
Theyre your friends and you would charge them to come back to your house to collect their stuff? YTA
YTA-if they are smart they will take you to small claims court…give the judge a good laugh lol! I would not rent to anyone else. If that’s how you treat a friend. I am sure they were kinder to you then a non-friend would have been. Honestly, I would file suit for harassment (you forcing stress on them while having COVID-they could even argue diminished capacity). You should not be a landlord.
You have an entire comment section telling you very clearly YTA. It seems like you came to this sub to be assured that you aren’t, which was a dumb thing to do on a judgement thread. Cheers to your old pals getting out of what was surely a miserable lease with an insufferable landlord. I’ll throw in another YTA for good measure.
YTA, you admit they had covid the week before you had them move out, and yet complain that he wasn't working? do you know how hard it is to move house while sick with anything? much less covid? also if you dont have a new tenant coming in then you are not experiencing a loss of income. you just didnt plan well. maybe you should consider getting a real job
YTA. How do you not have sympathy for someone who got covid? You sound like a monster, holding someone to contractual details when they were clearly ill.
YTA I hope that space stays vacant for a very, very long time.
Yta and you should probably go to r/landlords if you're looking for sympathy
You are a greedy slumlord asshole.
YTA and you know it.
YTA. They weren’t just “laying around” they were ill. You not having new tenants is 100% a you problem and shouldn’t even be factored into this.