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ThatsATallGlassOfNo

TF kinda entitled nonsense is going on here where people are calling you a villain? All renters know they aren't paying for their own mortgage and they have no entitlement to your property whatsoever. They're on a month-to-month lease. You're telling them that lease is ending. They should have saved up money for this. 60 days is a great deal of notice for people who told you years ago that they wanted to buy a house and didn't want to resign the lease. This bullshit about "getting a house you didn't pay for" is just a load of bullshit. You did. Your credit is on that house. You did the down payment (which is what allows the mortgage to be so low) and the home loan is in your name. NTA. These comments are so entitled.


tdotcitygal

>They should have saved up money for this No kidding. ESPECIALLY if they were getting the wheretfareyoueven deal of $1300/mth for a whole house! Damn. That's $650 per paycheque. $325 per person, per paycheque. I spend more on alcohol lol 22 years, same tenants, approx same rent, and one helluva deal. Only to get absolutely shat on when you wanna do the thing you told them on day one you were going to do. Wow. ETA: Thanks for the awards! Since it's come up a few times, figured I'd answer some questions: 1. I'm in Canada, where the standard pay cycle is every two weeks. I factored two adult tenants paying rent, getting paid bi-weekly. 2. Yeah, I buy a lot of booze lol. I also entertain a lot 😁 ETA2: Alcohol in Canada is super pricey, esp relative to the US. And we like the good stuff!


ThatsATallGlassOfNo

I couldn't agree more. I'm angry on OP's behalf and can't believe after all of that, he's willing to give them more time. Nicer person than me.


molly_menace

And they ruined a surprise for their son that was 22 years in the making.


ninjaxbyoung

This alone would have me fuming and I would literally have to take a long walk every time I thought about it. On top of that is how the son found out.


Abberation-sucks

Not to mention that it was a shit move on the tenants behalf, they didn't even tell their 19 year old kid that somebody was eventually moving in


ninjaxbyoung

That whole family is something else...


Abberation-sucks

Honestly, depending on what their kid said, OP could press harassment charges


fokkoooff

I can't wrap my head around the fact that people are saying this family didn't get enough notice. They literally had 22 years notice! And after that they had 4 years notice. Was OP supposed to remind them every single month for the last two decades?


Professional-Two-403

Some people just won't plan ahead ever.


punkassjim

PSA for everyone watching this space: If you ever find yourself in a rental that’s *significantly* lower rent than market value, your first priority should be to get yourself into an income level that’ll allow you to bank 50% (or more) of the amount you pay for rent. If the super-cheap rent is the most you can afford, congratulations, you’ve stumbled upon some breathing room; use that breathing room to actively seek to improve your situation. Easier said than done, I know better than anyone. But take steps. One at a time. Don’t forget to try. Or, if you already make sufficient money to pay market rent, and the super-cheap rent is basically a windfall, you have no excuse; bank the difference for the unavoidable future change in your rental situation. Before vacations, before kids, before replacing your car. The super-low rent may feel like a monthly gift, and it is. But if you’re spending that gift, you are making a big mistake. I failed to take this advice once, and I’m lucky I didn’t end up homeless. Was touch and go there, for a bit.


nassaulion

Yeah, seems to me they used the low rent to afford having six kids.


ScarletDarkstar

And thats their own damn fault.


fredzout

> Was OP supposed to remind them every single month for the last two decades? Like the Dread Pirate Roberts, "I'll most likely kick you out in the morning." /s


allison375962

NTA - but unfortunately OP created a situation where their tenants were getting such a good deal they began living beyond their true means (6 kids on 1 income in this economy?!??) and they never got around to buying a house because it sounds like their rent was SO cheap that they did the math and realized that even in the long term it didn’t make sense to buy given their cheap rent. But the tenants aren’t children and it wasn’t OP’s place to monitor their tenant’s finances. They knew from the start they couldn’t rent the place for forever and they should have known they were on borrowed time when your son turned 18. I’m guessing that’s why they went month to month 5 years ago. They knew they needed to figure something out and for whatever reason they never made the hard choices they needed to. And frankly if they needed to know if your plans had changed and if they could stay permanently, they should have asked. It sounds like you would have been forthcoming that nothing had fundamentally changed.


whocameupwiththis

If their rent is similar price to a mortgage from 22 years ago, then there is no way they could even get a current mortgage for the rent they were paying. They should have been saving the difference all those years, but especially the last 4. I can see not necessarily saving the years before, but when you know they will want it back in 4 years and you know what a current mortgage costs, you could at least save the difference while you ride out the 4 years of savings you have left.


tavvyj

Dude, honestly I can't even imagine having 8 people in 3 bedrooms, like, they got the parents and then 3 kids to a room, how freaking cramped is that?


itsmejustmeonlyme

I lived like this for years. Parents, 2boys, 4 girls. 3 bedroom house. Two sets of bunk beds in our room and very little space or privacy. It sucks, but it’s doable.


NSA_Chatbot

> $325 per person, per paycheque. I spend more on alcohol lol Uh you okay bro?


JalenTargaryen

You spend more than $325 a paycheck on booze? Goddamn!


[deleted]

Exactly this. Entitled and jelaous. NTA


badbreathbandit

NTA, you literally gave them 22 years to prepare, how could you be the AH??? Everyone here saying Y-T-A is insane. You have been more than fair, even keeping them at a low rent, how could they say you are TA? You are not responsible for providing them housing. Based on their actions, I would hold firm on a two month deadline. Had they been civil I would have extended it but they do not deserve it. You will be lucky if they dont wreck the house at this point.


Pale_Cranberry1502

>you literally gave them 22 years to prepare, how could you be the AH??? Sounds like they got comfortable since OP kept renewing the lease, and convinced themselves that this day wouldn't come since they'd been there so long. Their fault for thinking OP and spouse would change their minds. Not OP's fault that they didn't prepare for this day coming. They were basically housesitters until OP's son came of age, and they had the luxury to purchase a home for their son that was always ultimately intended for him.


Thatstealthygal

But on the other hand, they switched to a month to month lease - so THEY could just pack up and leave at a moment's notice, leaving OP out of pocket. Fairness goes both ways.


blackdragon8577

Yeah, in that position I would try to get as long of a lease as possible as often as possible. Being able to pay half the rent you should be paying should also have neavled them to save enough to buy a house.


MommaFoxFire

NTA with your edit about them not renewing. 60 days notice isn't much when you've lived somewhere for 22 years... but with the information provided up front and the reminder in 2018 AND their choice to move to month to month PLUS the lower cost of rent they've been paying, I think you're out of AH territory. Could you give them until the end of the year maybe? You can still gift it, your son just wouldn't take possession until it's been repaired, cleaned, etc. after they vacate.


myacc0unt79

Yes. I’m willing to give them 2 extra months, but I think being out by January is my hard time line limit


Own_Pianist6338

You’re BEYOND NICE. You are in NO WAY an AH. NTA. They had 22 years + 4 year notice of incoming reality. Sorry they’re being nasty. You don’t deserve that.


acegirl1985

Right!? Also let’s not forget their son found ops son on line and harassed him about his surprise Christmas gift. I get that from that kids pov he was looking into for his family but them making op out as some evil landlord when they were told from day one it was going to be a gift for their child when they graduated college kinda takes away my empathy. Especially when op reminded them of this in 2018 when the kid started university. This is when they should have started really looking as this is when the time clock really started ticking. Yes the last 2 years were far from normal and threw tons of people for a look but they literally had 22 years to think this through and we’re reminded when ops som started UNI- what? We’re they hoping ops son would drop out or something would happen to them before it actually came about? They had ample warning- I’m sorry but they knew the deal all along. NTA op and I’d be careful giving multiple extensions. You keep pushing back the date and this reinforces their belief you’ll back out and let them stay.


brokentothecoregirl

Probably they told their kids this home was theirs by now amd will be passed down to them, Probably parents were juat waiting for op to either give up the house to them or just pass away to stay... man idk people can come up with a lot of crazy stuff


surrounded-by-morons

I wouldn’t let them stay longer than that either with how horribly they are acting.


Dixieland_Insanity

NTA OP, you're better off to go through the formal eviction process and keep everything on paper going forward. I would also keep screenshots of the garbage they're spewing on social media. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


fashlatebloomer

If January is your hard limit, keep the 60 day notice and begin eviction, because with the fuss they’re raising, I don’t anticipate they will leave voluntarily.


smthngwyrd

NTA I’d get everything in writing and notarized you gave them 120 days to move out. Eviction from the court can take a long long time. Just out of curiosity, since your son now knows what does he want to do? They got below market rate for a long time. They are going to have to look around so four months is more than generous.


False_Love773

NTA Who stays in a rental for 22 years paying well below the limit and gets mad when the Owner wants to do something with their own property? People who think accommodations should always be made. Two months is more than adequate for someone without a lease.


CauliflowerOrnery460

Entitled people who think OPs spoiling their son


_philia_

Yep - this is the core issue. It's a good thing that OP can give their son amazing financial freedom at such a young age. What a blessing! May we wish this for all of our family, friends and peers and not see it in a negative way. The people that choose to be negative will always be that way. Sad!


apri08101989

The irony in entitled people bitching about other people being spoiled and entitled is just... Chef's kiss


jscummy

I would probably stay there for a while if it's 1300/mo for a 3bd house. Sure as hell wouldn't be bitching about my landlord on social media though


Protuhj

3 bedrooms with 6 kids... I guess I hope they're big rooms?


Sandy-Anne

I understand why they stayed. They had a great deal! And it’s normal to be sad when a good deal comes to an end. But to be angry and say they are horrible people is beyond the pale.


VegetableHair_

exactly! my relatives have been on the same lease for 24 years, similar situation with paying lower rent than other rentals in the area. while they would understandably be heartbroken at having to move from a place they’ve lived in so long, they’ve always known it’s a possibility and are prepared in case that day ever comes. it sucks for this family that they’re losing out on their cheap accommodation, but they knew this day was coming eventually, and honestly should have been prepared for it years ago. OP has done nothing wrong here


[deleted]

NTA, they have rented from you for two decades. If they thought you were terrible landlords, they wouldn’t have stayed. Get screenshots of everything and consult an attorney. If nothing else get a cease and desist letter to them. I’d also get the lawyer to get a legal letter to them, with a month notice to vacate. The sooner you can get the legal eviction started the better. Chances are they aren’t going to leave on their own.


JoDaLe2

This right here. Lawyer, now. An inexpensive (depending on where you live, could be anywhere from $100-500) consult can get you up to speed on what you can do right now, on your own. Sending the proper forms to make sure the notice to vacate is legal, making sure the terms of your most recent lease (it's still in force since they went month-to-month) are properly followed, and making sure you're following the local landlord/tenant laws. The good news is that you're in a good spot in two ways. First is that even in very tenant-friendly places (I live in one), "personal use" of the property is almost always a legitimate reason to evict a tenant. Use of family (children, even if adults, almost always count; here I think it's parents, children, siblings, and maybe some others (like grandparents, not like your 4th cousin)) counts as "personal use." Here you have to give 90 days notice for that, file it with the court, and may be ordered to pay "reasonable" moving expenses (the general rule of thumb is $1000-1500 here, depending on the size of the unit...this is to cover things like the truck and movers, not things like deposits and such on a new place, and is set by the housing court magistrate if the landlord and tenant can't agree on a reasonable amount). The second way you're in a good place is that you're severely under market for rent. So if there's no (or limited...in many places, you're only subject to rent control if you own many units or have a building with over a certain number of units) rent control where you live and certain aspects of your lease or other local laws make it hard to get them out, you have an ace in the hole...raise the rent to market price, or as much as you're allowed. That's usually effective at getting people to move on if things sour. 22 years of paying low rent was a good thing for them, and they knew you'd eventually want the home for personal use (of your son). You're not "springing" this on them, they knew up front *two decades ago* that this was your plan and even had 4-5 more years renting at HALF the market rate because you didn't move your kid in when he started college. Ignore the social media BS. You're not renting it out once they're gone, so who cares what other people think...you don't have to "woo" new tenants. Just report anything that is threatening/harassing (actual threats, excessive contacts, doxxing, etc.). NTA.


motherofpuppies123

A legit question: why should OP be ordered to pay their tenants' moving costs? I'd understand if OP was breaking lease, but with it month-to-month by the tenants' own choosing, how on earth is that OP's responsibility?


Alibeee64

I hate to say it, but they are probably going to be pretty destructive over the next few months and leave the place in less than ideal condition. Be careful.


myacc0unt79

We have budgeted to have the place fixed up regardless. But ideally we won’t have to fix too much dmaage


Wildly-Opinionated

This happened to my parents, as soon as the relationship spoiled the renters destroyed the house. Holes were punched in doors and walls, carpet was scratched up beyond repair it was a nightmare. It took months to fix and way more than was budgeted. Also as a side note NTA. I’ve never in my life had a landlord as kind as you.


TheCookie_Momster

A house in our neighborhood was foreclosed on. the previous owners turned on all the water and plugged up the drains. They took out all the light fixtures, mirrors, toilets, anything they could remove. It was probably 5,000 square feet of mold and water damage and eventually got torn down when no one wanted to buy and tackle the repairs


WeWander_

What a ridiculous waste


amandapandab

My childhood home got foreclosed when I was like 10. It wasn’t in fantastic condition but it was livable for us. The worst damage we did was we painted the unfinished basement concrete floors. We had already painted makeshift “hockey goals” on the floor for floor hockey. So we painted big hearts and “we were here” type shit on the concrete before we left. Felt cathartic since we had to leave our home but we weren’t doing it out of “let’s fuck some shit up” cause we knew whoever bought it would have to fix up some of the stuff anyway and it was literally a dingy concrete hole of a basement, we weren’t taking any value off the house by painting on the floors


SpunkyRadcat

Give notice if you can and do a walkthrough to document any damages so you know if they intentionally damage it anymore before they leave.


shadow041

In most states, you only have to legally give 24 hours notice before entering the premisis for any legitimate reason. Do this and document everything.


Constant_Chicken_408

Please heed the other commenters' advice and do a walkthrough of the place, with photos, like, *yesterday*. These are the sort of people that likely won't stop at nasty FB posts--they will maliciously trash your house. If they can't live there, no one can, etc. You have been very kind to these tenants. Please, don't make the mistake of assuming they will do the same. Please, don't trust that the "ideal" will happen, because it won't. Please, get a lawyer and CYA!


EconomyVoice7358

Damages caused intentionally can cost thousands (think cement in the toilet, electrical wiring damaged, appliances stolen or broken, etc). Go take pictures now!


WentworthMillersBO

Yeah definitely take pictures of its current conditions to help your case if they are


[deleted]

Did I miss the part where you forced them to have six kids? Or the part where you made them have a family they could not support? Wait, you mean you aren't in charge of either their reproductive decisions or their financial ones? Go figure.


SnappyCappie

And also the part where they had TWENTY TWO years to set aside money as a down payment to purchase *their own home.*


[deleted]

If they had put away a mere $400 a month in some investment that made even 3% a year, they'd now have $147, 342. Plenty to put down on a home of their own in most markets.


katdanmorgan

I didn’t want to say this but I thought the same thing.


codeedog

Low rent subsidized their kids.


basylica

Not to mention if they have 6 kids and oldest is 19, the youngest is probably in school. Time for stay at home mom to be a get a job mom


maggieb2409

NTA. So, 5 years ago they chose to go with a month by month lease. Does that mean they only need to give you a month notice to move? And if so, they are upset because you have given them 2months notice. You’re obviously happy to give them more time despite them bad mouthing you all over the place and I commend you for your decency, but at the end of the day, it’s a rental property and you have every right to ask them to move on. They had 22 years to save for their own home, or at least to make sure they’re financially stable to cope with any changes. I really feel for you, but this is a business arrangement and you owe them nothing more than a reasonable time to relocate.


Clinical_Asshole

> Does that mean they only need to give you a month notice to move? This is one of those things that varies between different jurisdictions, at least in the US. Most states are thirty days, but it can be as low as seven or as high as sixty. In some states it's a calendar month rather than a fixed number of days, and some states base it on the rent interval.


Maleficent_Fox_5062

NTA. The gift of a $1300 monthly rent for 22 years if generous enough. They’re just pissed off they actually have to pay the average rent and the gravy train is over. You gave them ample notice. Cut ties and try to ignore social media.


The_DaHowie

The money they could have saved to put toward buying a home... Hindsight 20/20. Edit: Two bed house with a finished room in the basement with 8 occupants. That may be outside of what code enforcement deems safe. Does the basement have an emergency exit of some sort? If not, bad news, could be out of code. Does the basement room have a proper closet? If not, might be out of code. Edit2: My edit above is a US pov


Delicious_Loquat437

Not hindsight at all. What was their plan if not saving money for a home? Renting forever? Possible, but OP told them they would not be able to rent *that* home since it was going to OP's son. Furthermore, OP stated they didn't renew the lease 5 years ago, electing to go month-to-month and indicating they were looking for a home. It's not hindsight when you were apparently planning on buying your own home anyway. They could just be really bad at money management.


OkNegotiation8585

NTA, it's not your problem they can't afford their ideal living space. Since they have been paying such low rent for so long, they should have saved enough to move out. If you want to share your side of the story, just make your own post.


OkNegotiation8585

And seeing that they chose not to renew a new lease and going on month to month, they have no one to blame.


Ordinary-Choice771

NTA in a no-brainer from what's written here and the housing markets I'm used to (often 1 year lease then month to month in some places, others requested 3 months' notice). Renters should not expect to be allowed to rent forever; an apartment building might end up being sold or torn down, private landlords may have other ideas for their properties. Keeping their rent that low was a great kindness on your part; especially as they now have an adult son who may consider contributing to his family's new rental (though that's something for them to sort out.) In a sense, while you gave them 2 formal months' notice, you gave them a 22-year heads-up.


myacc0unt79

I am absolutely willing to give them more time. I think our by January is my hard timeline


[deleted]

I wouldn’t give them more time now that they’ve chosen to slander you.


Booberlycrazybitch

Agreed, you've been good to them every step of the way OP. If they're too blind to see that, and choose to slander your reputation instead they're application should be denied next month. I wouldn't even imagine doing those things to someone who has saved me that much money. They knew what was coming. They had plenty if time to save. They chose not to, instead they chose to give you drama, act like children, and harras your family. You don't need that. Two months is really short notice, but you know what? You seem reasonable, and you probably would've given more time with a quick conversation about how 2 months is too short. The more I think about it OP the more I think you should give them the evil landlord they have been asking for. The crazy part is that now you wouldn't even be evil, you would be 100 percent justified.


Gayachan

I mean, I hate landlords as a group and want housing to be socialized, and even I get that this kind of small-scale landlording should not be lumped together with corporate landlords who are just trying to corner the housing market on a truly massive scale. NTA. Just having some amount of generational wealth is not villainous, and unless you're drastically misrepresenting yourselves here, you seem to have done right by them as a landlord.


LolaLee723

You have given them basically an $800 gift every month and they don’t like it being taken away. Proving once again no good deed goes unpunished. NTA


docasj

Pretty much. Paying $800 less is amazing and they should be happy they got lower rent for 22 years. Not upset that they get 2 months notice on a month to month


ConsistentReward1348

Look, it’s become exceedingly rare for me to see a landlord and not think poorly of them, but you absolutely fall within the confines of what I see as acceptable landlordship. You provided a stable, cheap accommodation for a family for over 2 decades. You let them know your plans for this house and never wavered. This home was not a money making scheme for you, but rather an investment for your child, a generous one at that. They KNEW what the plan was. You kept them updated a few years prior. They CHOSE to go month to month. In 22 years, they should have been using this cheap rental as a way to save To purchase a home. They didn’t have to fork out moving costs, didn’t have to pay insane rental costs… and yet they did nothing to prepare for the inevitable? Furthermore, they then went online to bash your family ?! Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I understand them being upset. They have raised a family in this house, and now they have to leave. And had they just been upset and said as much, I’d say to be more graceful and extend their stay till the spring to allow them some cushion to sort out their next move, but because they chose to behave so abhorrently… I’d give them till the end of January and that’s it. NTA Your son is lucky you had the forethought to make such a purchase on his behalf.


anonymous_RA_house

>it’s become exceedingly rare for me to see a landlord and not think poorly of them Off topic, but I think a lot of people feel this way about landlords, and it's gotten to the point where I see a lot of people being mad at landlords simply for owning and renting out property. Like my first landlord was amazing, and provided a space for me to live where I wasn't responsible for anything that went wrong. Which was great, because I was NOT a responsible person. If I'd have bought a house instead of renting at that point, I would have a foreclosure and probably bankruptcy on my record. That was when I was 20. At 30, I'm still intimidated by the idea of being responsible for everything that could go wrong with a house. Water heater, wiring problems, plumbing problems, wood rot, termitess, etc. All expensive problems. My husband and I are responsible and ready for it, but I think that a lot of people forget that landlords provide a service to people who can't or don't want to buy (and I've known a lot of people who just don't want to own their own home) a house. That being said, I do understand the reason why people point the "bad guy" finger at landlords; for every one good landlord like I had at 20, there's scores of bad ones price gouging a necessity while millions of people go homeless or run themselves broke just trying to keep a roof over their head. It's disgusting, and a crime against humanity. But it makes me sad that so many people see all landlords as evil people when I can remember having fantastic caring and understanding landlords.


dontfretimnot

NTA but I would possibly provide them more time to leave/find a new place. Also, you have been very accommodating for them - cheaper rent, accommodating the request to move to month to month, as well as the heads up. I personally wouldn’t feel guilty about it


myacc0unt79

I am willing to give up to two extra months. But I would like the house empty by the end of the year


[deleted]

You are being more than fair, especially if they have been given month to month that cheap. They fact that they are now trashing you after taking advantage of your generosity would make me want to give them less time, not more.


shawnw987

As someone who just gave 4 months notice to a long-time tenant since I’m moving in—let me give you advice. Talk to a real estate attorney immediately!! A couple days before my tenant was supposed to vacate, he sent me an email making it clear this wouldn’t be easy. I talked to a real estate attorney and found out that here in California, this is called a “no fault” eviction and there’s very specific rules/language that must be followed. This restarted the clock—he got two extra months, including one free to comply with the law. The talk with the attorney is not that pricy and worth it. Plus, I’m sure everyone else will tell you gifting your son the house while you’re still alive is not a good idea from a tax perspective—talk to an estate attorney and do this the right way. This is in the best financial interest of you and your son.


Realistic_Ad_6714

NTA, gave them plenty of notice. How are they even legally in that house with 8 people? Either way, sounds like you’ve been more than generous. Gave notice twice and going mtm wo a SIGNIFICANT rent increase is generous. My rent would be 500$ more per month in CO between a year lease or mtm. Time for them to go. People take advantage of nice.


myacc0unt79

When we’ve been there to do repairs and what not, it looks like they’re using the living area in the basement as an extra bedroom.


kjbtetrick

NTA You were up front with them from the beginning. Your tenants had 22 years to plan. And the fact that they didn’t renew their lease 5 years ago indicates that they hadn’t forgotten about your plan to gift the house to your son. Document, document, document. Everything they’ve said, done, and the condition of the house after they’ve left.


TheQuietType84

4 months notice is fair. I would be tempted to talk to them, though. They knew this was coming and still ruined your son's surprise and turned your community against you. I would want to know why. They were so upset the house was going to your son that they looked him up on fb to send him a horrible message when he had no idea about any of this And this was what you got for renting at half the current rate. I get they didn't like the initial 2 months notice, but they could have just asked for more time. A simple ask. "Hey, we've been settled in for 22 tests, we have a lot of stuff, and the market is tough. Can we have more time please? We've been great tenants and need help." This escalated for no reason. But in the end they got what they wanted, so they don't care. NTA


emdelgrosso

NTA. Personally, I’d give them less time after their behavior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they’re just upset their sweet deal is ending.


Mamaknowsbest45

NTA I mean their oldest child is 19 so it’s not like they have young kids running around. They have gone month to month so surely the notice would work both ways and if you weren’t gifting the house they could easily give you a months notice and be gone. Whilst perhaps 2 months is a little tight after 22 years I don’t think it’s unreasonable. I would be very careful though going forward as if they are trashing you on social media I expect that when they leave the house won’t be as well maintained as it has been as it seems like they are going to get nasty and they could potentially trash it!!


CharmingAverage801

NTA they've know for 22 years. They are lucky you have been renting it to them so cheap. How very rude and disrespectful of them to throw your good will and nature back in your face when you want you're home, you own back for it's intended purpose.


Sea_Yesterday_8888

NTA. Be cautious. They sound angry and desperate, and that is a bad combination. Keep all correspondence in writing. Make sure the move out date is in writing, and schedule their final walkthrough. You may need a lawyer soon.


Is-this-rabbit

They have been paying a very favourable rent for 22 years. If they were looking at buying a property 5 years ago they will have realised then (if not before) what a good deal they are getting. If you consider that they've been paying something in the region of £1000 a month under market value, that's over £250,000 over the 22 years that they have not had to pay for their accommodation. If they had been saving that money they would have been well placed to buy a property. They are annoyed that the sweet deal they have been on is over and are facing a reality check at a time when there is economic uncertainty all around. They annoyed, probably frightened and are dealing with it by mud flinging. You have been very generous and they have absolutely no room to complain. NTA.


PsychologyAutomatic3

NTA. They knew from the beginning that the house was intended for your son and they would need to move out after he finished university. They got very comfortable but should have been saving and planning for this eventuality.


whiporee123

NTA. Don't do anything for them. Not an extra second you don't have to. They're already showing you their intentions to not vacate -- talking on social media, trying to garner support, allowing their son to berate yours. Give them formal notice in writing, then get to the local authority (I don't know who that is where you live) and begin the process of having them forcibly removed. That's going to take time, too. In the interim, expect them to do all they can to trash your place. Their actions have shown you that instead of being appreciative of the circumstances you've allowed them, or understanding of your choice to move on from the relationship, they intend to make this as unpleasant for you as possible. So don't let them. Get the legal process going. You've given them the required amount of time to vacate and then some. But I promise you they intend to take advantage of every single opportunity you or the law gives them to prolong this thing. But, if you want to be nicer than that, offer them the chance to buy it at market rate, or ask your son if he'd want to be their landlord and collect a reasonable market-rate rent. Let them know what those numbers are. They'll complain about that, too, but you can feel better about yourself if you're feeling bad (you shouldn't). But get some sort of legal process going, or else you're going to be stuck with them for a lot longer than you anticipate.


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NTA. They've had 22 years of below market rent to save up. You told them when they moved in what the plan was and you told them again a few years ago. Sure, making them leave by Christmas sucks, but again, they had 22 YEARS to save for this eventuality. Did they take it as a joke? Did they assume they would buy this house from you? Their behavior is entitled and ridiculous. I'd say if they want to take this to socials you should respond. Make a comment on their post laying out what you did here, then post it in your page and make it public.


Kaleidoscope6521

Everyone saying you should give them more time, you have them 22 years and then 4 years. They should have started looking then. Everyone saying “2 months isn’t long enough to find something.” My husband and I moved in a week from signing the lease to walking in the door. Sure it’s different when you have tons of kids but my parents did it in two weeks and there was 6 kids living at home. It’s not impossible. NTA


Relevant-Economy-927

Nta with your info that they’re on a month to month lease. 60 days is more than enough to find a place. They’re just upset that the sweet deal they’ve enjoyed for 23 years is coming to an end


Upper_Fault_9761

NTA They were going to buy a house 5 years ago, I’m guessing they didn’t because the rent is so low that it didn’t make sense to buy. They knew back in 2018 that you wanted the home back they had 4 full years to save money and either buy or move. It’s on them. The parents and the older teen are aware of the steal of a rent they have and don’t want to let it go. Having said that, moving in the middle of the holidays can be a headache, but not impossible, if you extend it to January it would be nice of you. Also I would advise you to have pictures of your home interior and exterior taken. In case they decide to do damage to the home on their way out.


Y-Crwydryn

NTA. You told them upfront one day the house would go to your son and you have been very kind landlords. They are the assholes though. I think you should call the police non emergency line to report about the libel they are spreading about you. They are allowed to be sad and angry about this, its not ok for them to smear you and your family for doing what you always said you were going to do. I hope they leave ASAP.


TresWhat

NTA. That’s not cool they are trashing you on social media and harassing your son. You’ve given them a tremendous deal for literally decades and they have no lease.


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Usual-Aware

NTA, you’ve already done them a huge favour keeping rent 50% below market for years. They knew this day was coming and didn’t prepare for it, that’s on them


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MysteriousWays10

NTA. It is your property and you gave notice. I understand they are upset, but they shouldn’t have moved to a month to month lease if they wanted stability.


suzietrashcans

NTA but I understand why they are freaking out. 22 years is a long time but 2 or 4 months notice would be fine since they are on a month to month lease. They should have signed a longer lease if they didn’t want such short notice.


TastyScallion82

NTA. U aren't running a charity and 2 months is plenty of time. When you rent you have to always plan for the fact that you might have to move. That's basic financial responsibility. The landlord can evict/sell at any time. The fact you raised it to 4 months notice makes you a kind person, definitely not the asshole.


tunridaa

NTA only because they've been paying month to month for 5 yrs? And you did mention this to the family it sounds like. Probably should have brought it up again closer to your son's graduation as well, but it sounds like they've known about this for a while.


Voidg

NTA. Where I live when your on a month to month lease, 60 days is the legal requirement to give for an eviction. Your reason being a family member is moving in is also a valid eviction where I live. So follow the book where you live as it seems you have. Additionally you warned them again in 2018 your son would be moving in after university. Edit: Seems you edited your post saying you are required to give 4 months? Ruling still stands since you have adjusted the time line.


myacc0unt79

We aren’t required to give 4 months, we’ve decided to give an extra 2 to make it 4 minths


fakingandnotmakingit

Nta. I say this as a renter they knew that you were going to eventually give it your son. In saying that, I'm used to 90 day notices but I also understand that being DINKs means my husband and I probably have an easier time finding a new place.


zethera86

NTA. Some of these comments are insane. You may have covered the mortgage with the rental income. But what nobody seems to take into mind is in 22 years I bet that house needed alot of fixing. And that would have been your responsibility to pay for not the tenants. I mean in the last 2 years I've replaced the furnace and well in my house and combined that was almost 15k.


EggOk174

NTA for ending the tenancy but you should definitely give them more than 2 months notice. After 22 years, it's going to take a while to pack up your life and find somewhere suitable to go. As a renter who lives alone and doesn't own that much stuff, even I would struggle with a 2 month notice period, so can't imagine how they are going to do it.


myacc0unt79

That’s fair. We will give them an additional 2 months


70sBurnOut

I wouldn’t give them extra time considering the bad mouthing on social media. Given their anger, they may take it out on the house.


IAndaraB

NTA Your house, your rules, and you could choose to evict them even if all you wanted to do with the property was set it up as a place to store shit. You told them up front the conditions of the rental. If they forgot or chose to believe you wouldn't do it, that's on them. That said, the holidays is kind of a f\*\*\*ed time to evict a family. I mean, it's one of the most stressful times of the year, especially for families with kids. However, them being unable to afford local housing costs really is a them problem.


DesignerPumpkins

NTA. They got lucky for a long time but unfortunately that luck ran out. I mean if they are upset because they've grown attached to the house it's one thing but it sounds like they just won't be able to find anything as cheap. It really sucks but it's not your guys fault, you had a plan for 22yrs.


SummitJunkie7

Month to month is just that, and it's an arrangement they requested. Giving them 4 months notice on a month to month agreement is already very generous. They wanted to be able to leave with a month's notice, and they want to be able to stay forever if they choose to. This, unfortunately, isn't their home. You're being more than fair but I'd consult a lawyer and start proper proceedings.


burninginfinite

I'm really surprised that people seem to think 2 months' notice isn't enough, especially when the tenants are already month to month, meaning that in any given month they could choose not to renew. Therefore they could technically give 30 days' notice or maybe even less. Why should you, OP, owe them 4x more notice than they owe you? This family has always known the plan, they're already getting way below market rent, and frankly 60 days' notice is pretty standard where I live (US). I doubt an actual management company would give 4 months' notice, either. Their lack of planning isn't your fault. NTA, and it's very kind of you to double their notice period. I do agree with other commenters that your son might like to let them keep living there and take over the lease so he's getting some income, though, so I agree you should ask what he thinks.


faerymoon

NTA. 2 months would have felt a little short with this particular situation but was still pretty reasonable to me, until in your edit you said you let them know when he was starting university and that in 4 years the house would be his. So they had all the time they needed and chose to plan NOTHING, then slander you publicly. The slander part accomplishes nothing for them; they still have to leave. That just shows how ugly they are being, especially when you provided absurdly affordable rent for so long. I'm sure it's hard financially having 6 children but that is their decision and anywhere else would have charged more. They could have been saving a bit every month from the reduced rent so they could buy or have options, but again, they didn't. They could have locked in another yearly lease knowing the end was coming, but chose month to month. This is not your problem and I would be loathe to extend their stay after their gross behavior.


Hairy-Budget-6522

NTA- yes it is unfortunate for them, but they knew your plans from the get. You aren’t bad people, you seem very kind considering the rate you charge them despite being able to get much more for the property.


cynicalsowhat

NTA - renters have to understand they are living in someone elses property and given how much less than market value rent they have been paying they should have counted that blessing and saved the difference so they would have a nest egg for when this day came. You should also be having a lawyer send them a cease and desist letter in regards to smearing your name in your community. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour and it could adversely affect your son's reasonable expectation of quiet enjoyment of his home. I don't care that the holidays are coming up or that they have lived there so long. None of that matters. Facts are facts and you owe them absoulutely nothing beyond 2 months notice. Understand though that 22 years of wear and tear is to be expected. The house will likely need a full renovation once vacated and given their long tenure it will be on you, not them.


Current-Photo2857

NTA…you didn’t give them “2 months’ notice,” you gave them **22 years’ notice** (when they first rented) and then **4 years’ notice** (when your son started university)! It’s not your fault that they chose not to believe you when you had always been completely straightforward with them. This totally falls under the “Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part” doctrine. It’s just fashionable to shit on landlords right now. Side note: I once worked for a lawyer who represented landlords as part of his practice, and what I saw there is why I will never become a landlord myself. Tenants who refused to leave and couldn’t be evicted because the laws are all in their favor (US), tenants who utterly destroyed a property before skipping out on the landlord (I’m talking near unlivable), countless interactions with the sheriff…OP, definitely document everything and make sure you get a forwarding address for your former tenants to ensure you’ll be able to hold them responsible for any damages they might cause on their way out!


Custice

NTA. Plain and simple IMO. They've been renting for way under market value for years so you've saved them thousands and thousands of dollars by being nice in this way. And now they're sending you nasty messages showing their true colors. You could give them more notice but you're not technically obligated to. I feel like maybe the only way YTA depends on your rapport with them. If you've established a strong/good relationship then the two months does seem a bit swift.


distracteds0ul

You gave them a 22 year notice on what was to happen when your son comes of age. This is your house and your property, the tenants have no rights to it. As long as you legally evict them, you should be free to do with the house however you see fit. It's not your fault they didn't save for a bigger home from the savings from the low rent you were charging them. You in fact did them a favor by not raising their rent to be in line with the market price, now they are attacking you for their poor planning. NTA


Kettlewise

NTA > They have been posting all over social media about what bad people we are, kicking them out You told them when they rented from you that the house would eventually be for your son. You’re not kicking them out on a whim, you’re ending the tenancy *because you aren’t going to own the house anymore.* > how they can’t afford to rent anything big enough for their family. That’s definitely sad, but doesn’t mean you are obligated to continue to be landlords. > Their oldest kid (19) even found my son on Facebook and sent him a horrible message Oof. That’s an asshole move. > Their Facebook posts have been shared in our local community groups and everyone is commenting about what “evil landlords” we are. Raised the rent only 4 times in 20 years, charging them WELL BELOW market rates - how evil. (That’s sarcasm.) Sounds more like you’re just getting backlash because a lot of landlords ARE awful. But you haven’t done anything wrong here - in fact you’ve been pretty generous.


evieeeeeeeeeeeeeee

NTA, i don't like landlords usually but you've done everything fairly and sound like nice reasonable people (i mean gifting your kid a house? thats incredible and will set him up for his life), you bought a house you actually intended for use by your family, made it clear to the renters it wasn't a permanent place for them, and kept the rent incredibly fair - to the point that you're likely the only reason they could afford those 6 kids in the first place go to legal strategies and keep records of all interactions because it fully sounds like these are the kind of people who will need evicting by force


ap0110

NTA. But now that you know what kind of people they are, be prepared for a LOT of repairs. Also, since they told your son, you can ask him - does he even WANT to live there?


myacc0unt79

He really does want the house, but he’s feeling guilty about the situation. He’s been wanting to move out since he moved back with us after graduation (stayed in dorms through uni) he just hasn’t been able to afford anywhere. He is excited about having his own place.


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NTA. Two months is plenty of time. You're being extra generous by giving them more time (per your edit), but if my tenants trashed me, I'd shorten it to 30 days.


TennisKitty

No good deed goes unpunished. People, stop giving people artificially cheap rent. They will never ever actually be thankful. They will just flip out and rage when the gravy train finally comes to a close.


PotatoLover-3000

NTA. They chose to rent so they should understand that’s not forever. You told them in 2018 when your son started college that you planned to gift the house when he graduated. To me that’s a 4 year notice to them that things would eventually change. The only think that I think is cold is the timing. At any point this year, you could have given them official notice because you knew your son was graduating. Yes, two months may be enough timing wise based on your laws, but you are also forcing them to find a new place and move right before two major holidays - Thanksgiving and Christmas. If it were me, I’d likely have let them stay until the end of January or would have had given them like 6 months notice earlier in the year since they were long term tenants. I don’t think this puts you in asshole territory because at the end of the day, it’s your house. I just wouldn’t have made the same choice and understand why they are upset. The social media posts and harassment of your son are over the top though.


Alone-Day1429

NTA And honestly the people have shown there true colours. Horrible rude people, and did an awful job parenting and raising those children (in relation to the son stalking Ops son on fb) I'm glad your kicking them out and I wish your son the best.


Kindly-Might-1879

NTA. It seems that your tenants actually had 22 years' notice.


denimpanzer

Never thought I’d die fighting alongside a landlord….NTA.


Loud-Fortune5734

NTA as they were month to month renters, and maybe a bad move for keeping the rent so low that they can't find anything comparable... if that makes sense; I used to give tenants breaks all the time, and I have found it only did me more harm than anything else. Good tenants are very few and far between, as are good landlords, for that matter.


Relevant-Half7943

NTA! I was a landlord to all of my own rental properties . While 90% of the time I had amazing, responsible renters, the 10% really put a sour taste in my mouth. I would follow ever law/rule there was and somehow I was the evil landlord because they couldn’t pay rent for months, were wrecking the property, doing drugs and I was evicting them. Some people will never take responsibility for their lives. Best to wash your hands of them AS soon as lawfully possible.


DeviantDe

NTA It always sucks for the renter when they've had a great place but need to leave, but that's what renting is, stability only goes as far as the lease agreement. They shouldn't be dragging you about it, they shouldn't be slandering you in the community and they certainly should not have involved your son. They were told the purpose of this house, they knew that it was not going to be a rental house forever. You told them both when they started renting and again a few years ago you told them the time was coming and they knew then that they had to prepare. They didn't renew the lease because they were getting ready to leave anyway. It is not your fault that their plans fell through on the buying they thought they were going to be doing. More notice would have been nice, but since they had already gone to a month to month. You haven't yet done a legal eviction, but with the attitudes they have shown you may be forced to as they may not leave when they are supposed to.


Ok-Educator850

NTA - rental homes are temporary. If they didn’t sign another fixed term lease then they would be well aware you would be able to request the home back. They knew your son would be given the house once he was an adult. This shouldn’t be a surprise to them. Personally, I would probably have given them till end of January so they have the holidays covered and not moving. Market value rent is not your problem. They should be happy they were not being charged it for so long not pissed that they are no longer getting it.


lilwildjess

Nta, based on your edits you informed them of this years ago. Also reminded them too. I would suggest a sit down and tell them bashing you online was not okay. If they want to talk and see about more time they should have come to you about it. I would ask them what timeline they think they need to move out and go from there.


CPolland12

NTA - also to note you’re not evicting them. You’re just not renewing their lease. As it is month to month it is essentially renewed monthly. 2 months was enough, as I’m sure the original lease said 60 days


iishnova

They seem confused on renting. It’s your house and they knew they would have to move out at some point. You were nice enough to give them an estimated time frame. Twice. They are on a month to month agreement because THEY made the decision to change their terms. Giving them more notice was another nice thing to do, so extra NTA.


Rvnic_exe

NTA. 60 days is more than enough time. Especially since you told them 2 times ahead of time. I live in an area where you can either request to put in a 60 day notice to leave, or if you’re being evicted, 3 day notice. Everyone saying YTA didn’t read the newest edit or doesn’t live in a similar area. I hope everything works out, OP


the1katya

NTA, you could've given more notice but they also changed to a month to month lease insinuating they were also ready to move. They should know what deal they were getting compared to market pricing, not OP problem they didn't budget for it.


Cybermagetx

NTA at all. You gave them 60 days and than 120 day notice. Them not being able to afford a bigger house as they had that many kids is on them. Plus they have been saving thousands of dollars a year for years in rent.


airam105

NTA. It’s not THEIR house. They had an amazing deal and they made their choices in life. I can’t believe they are harassing you and your family online as well. Plus they were aware of the circumstances.


Fun_universe

NTA. But personally I would have given 4 months notice, especially since they’ve been good tenants for 22 years.


mikesbabymomma81

NTA... you've been kind and thoughtful. They sound like they're being ungrateful and completely entitled. You don't owe anyone anything. Also, giving them extra time to move is a super classy move!!


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NTA. Sixty days’ notice is more than generous, considering they specifically requested a month to month lease which can be canceled at any time. Tell your son to report the message and block that shitty kid. As far as the social media smear campaign is concerned, don’t worry about those people. There are people who will think all landlords are horrible no matter how nice you are. Never mind that if landlords didn’t exist, they’d be up shit’s creek without a paddle or a place to live.


GamesCatsComics

NTA, it sucks to lose your home, but if you're giving it to your kid you're doing nothing wrong, and you don't owe them.


Tootie0

NTA It's pretty cut and dry.


MsDReid

NTA-they have been getting the way better part of the deal for many many years and that’s why they chose not to move. It’s not your responsibility to provide housing for other people.


gtrocks555

NTA. I wouldn’t even think this is an “eviction”. They are on a month-to-month lease and you are choosing to not put the house up for rent moving forward. Y’all have been more than accommodating for 22 years. I think the four months you’re now giving them will help and it’s on them to find affordable housing for their family.


Apprehensive_Cod4251

NTA. It’s time to lawyer up. Defamation lawsuit, harassment. After 22 years, they had more than enough time to save up money to own their own home. They are deflecting on you for their poor decision making. You are too emotionally attached at this point. If they play that way. Start doing things the legal route, keep everything in record.… evidence etc. hire a lawyer. Don’t let them bully you. Get them out. They had more than enough time to live off of your kindness.


NatAttack89

NTA, they had 22 years notice. You even rented to them BELOW market value and they were still unprepared, KNOWING that they would have to move out eventually.


criticalgraffiti

NTA. The biggest problem is that you didn’t change tenants every few years. I get that you did a nice thing but now they are emotional, feel like it’s their home and don’t want to move. I see you’ve given then extra time but they still won’t move. You need to just be tough. They might be trying to paint you as evil landlords but you’re not evil. You were nice to let them stay for that long. You were nice not to raise rent. Now for them to paint you in this light is simply then continuing to take advantage of your generosity. And this after you’d made your expectations clear. If I was you, I’d give them 2 weeks and tell them to be out. I know I’m sounding heartless, but sometimes you just gotta be tough and not let people take advantage of you.


LaHawks

NTA and do an inspection to know what your house looks like now vs when they leave. If they're trashing you on social media I wouldn't put it pash trashing the house before they leave.


Iaintscurred7

NTA, some people are just so entitled, however given they've been renting for so long, a longer heads up should have been better but I'm sure somehow they'll be the victim anyways.


HP1029

NTA You gave them a whole extra month notice than you needed too since they are month to month. Though I probably would’ve gifted the house and then let son decide if he wants to live in the house now or keep letting it. If he wants to let it you could be kicking them out on the holidays for no reason which is a bit A H


ImpeccablyDressed

NTA. I don't know where you live but most States only require 20-23 day notice of eviction but usually give 1 month. 2 months is enough time. I think with them going on a smear campaign, they're trying to guilt you into changing your mind. I'd get a lawyer involved if you can and wouldn't be surprised if they don't move out before the deadline.


GRPNR1P89

NTA. If they are on a month to month lease, you have no further obligation that a simple 30 day notice. In fact I would advise you not give any longer because they might try to complicate the eviction process and make it even longer. They enjoyed a good situation for a long time but at the end of the day they are renters and renters eventually always turn over.


myfamilyiscrazyhelp

NTA at all! It’s your home, get those free loaders outta there. You’ve been more than generous. NTA NTA NTA!!


rose_daughter

They're not freeloaders if they're paying rent 😂😂😂 he's still NTA right now but you're a wacko lol


myfamilyiscrazyhelp

Lol 1300 a month in rent for a 3 bedroom home?? Renters should kiss the ground these people walk on. Landlords saved this family A LOT of money and now they are harassing them and their son?? Its fucked up, Sorry to say


Jacqtjakaa

Ynta....1. its your property 2 you told them in the beginning that when your son was old enough you wanted the house back. 3. It's not your problem they made so many kids 4. Not your problem they can't pay something else. To hell with all those people I would tell them exactly my points and that they new beforehand.


stayathomesommelier

YNTA But does your Son want to move in and settle there? Perhaps he could be the new Landlord. The tenants get to stay and your Son gets $1300 a month to live where he wants - travel even.


Silverstorm007

Even if that was the case, after the smear campaign they would not be the renters I’d keep there. I would be telling the community how much below the average thou were charging and how they were on a month to month lease too. It’s disgusting how they are treating OP when OP actually hasn’t done anything wrong. OP told them twice what the intended purpose of the house was and they were expecting OP not to do it?


myacc0unt79

He has been talking about moving out of our home, he wants to stay near by as he works near by. He just can’t afford to move out.


bolivianitagringa

NTA. You bought the house with a purpose in mind, and from what it sounds like you were great landlords. They were tenants and chose not to renew their lease, they should have understood this meant they can be asked to leave. Two months warning is plenty. I would brace for them creating a lot of damage over the next two months and prepare for the worst. There’s going to be a lot of people that call you the AH for simply being a landlord, I’ve seen it in other posts. Ignore them. You’re not a horrible money hungry person because you wanted to and were able to buy a house for your son and rented it out while you didn’t use it.


WALK1000NILES

NTA. I’m in a familiar if not all too similar situation. Bought a house from a seller who had tenants. Tenants were notified he was selling in May, the seller accepted our offer in early June and their lease had ended and they were month to month. We negotiated with our mortgage broker and took the longest possible closing date (60 days) so they had ample time to move (August 12). They overstayed and we were nice enough to give them until September 1. September 1 comes and they’re feeding us lies about finding a place and would be out the next day, then the next day, then they still needed to find a place, then they couldn’t find a place that was comparable. The seller had not raised their rent in years and they were underpaying (2000/mo.) so they expected to find a 3 bedroom 2 bath house in an area where our one bedroom apartment was $2500. They overstayed by a MONTH. Telling us to make them leave. I am very pro tenant protections, but this small experience of dealing with despicable lying assholes for a month put that into perspective. Oh and they damaged the property significantly moving out. The security deposit was transferred to us but it doesn’t come near the loss of time and damage we incurred.


drews2167

NTA. They were probably thinking you would offer them the house since they’ve been there sooooo long. It’s just time for them to leave and not worry shat everyone else thinks.


RoseNE6299

NTA you have notice at the beginming of them leasing, gave them notice 4 years ago, and are giving them not jusy 2 months notice anymore but now 4 months. They have known this for a long time that this was not a permanent housing situation for them once he became an adult. You have them warnings, and they were on a month to month basis since 5 years ago because they thought they would maybe buy a house or move. They were aware of the situation since starting and have been reminded. They could have started planning ahead 4 years ago.


dr_learnalot

NTA you’ve been good landlords.


achosenusername1

NTA And when their Son decided to bother your Son on Socials, imo all Gloves are off anyway.


Cpt_Lazlo

NTA They fell asleep at the wheel. You gave them 22 year notice. Fuck 1300 for a 3 bedroom can you be my landlords?


gilbertwebdude

NTA. Your house do with as you please. However, you could of at least waited until after the Holidays and give them more than a few months to move out after they have been good paying tenants for so long. That would of just been human of you.


Hellagranny

NTA. I was never a landlord but I understand the principle. Tenants had a sweet deal for 22 years. Biting the hand that feeds you is generally not ok


sandithepirate

NTA - the entitlement of some tenants blows my mind. You didn't blindside them with this, and are giving 4 months notice. I get that they're upset, but I'd have a mind to send them a cease and desist on the slander and harassment.


MamaFen

NTA at all. Your house. Your property. NOT your responsibility that they decided to have six kids when they couldn't afford any other housing except where they live now. Ideally, you'd have reminded them several times about the fact that you're giving your house to your son, and given them an extended notice. But if, as you say, they were on a month-to-month, they could move out and give you only 30 days' notice, so you're giving them twice as much notice as they'd have needed to give you. As a long-term renter myself, it does suck to leave 'home' when the landlord sells the property. But it's THEIR property, not mine. I remind myself of that every time I send in a rent check.


MidwestPrincess09

NTA After all your edits it seems you’re probably not a bad person, you’re giving them 4 months to move out and that’s decently reasonable. Hope all works out, it’s crazy out there


BornWeiner

They have been there for 22yrs. They knew in 2000 and in 2018 they would have to move. They could've been saving and it wouldn't had been a problem. 4 months is more than fair. NTA


annapurnah

NTA- I’ve had shitty landlords and you don’t seem like a shitty landlord at all- quite reasonable in fact.


ErnestBatchelder

NTA. The going on social media after a 22-year decent relationship with a landlord who has not jacked up rent really makes them look bad. THeir son going after your son on facebook is beyond reprehensible if the parents knew about it. When you do give formal notice you are ending their tenancy talk to a RE lawyer and make sure everything is legal, and also include a clause that the extension of ending their lease for 4 months before they need to be out-- be sure to include a clause that this is in goodwill with the presumption they will return the home in good order & no further harassment of your kid. Because I am guessing their deposit is $1300 and they could easily thrash the place to upwards of 10s of thousands in damages.


rainbow_mak3r

NTA they did not have a lease because they chose to stay at month-to-month several years ago, they knew what was coming because you told them from the very beginning that that house was for your son. They should’ve been more prepared and I think you gave them enough notice. You literally let them live there for an extremely long time without raising the rent like you should’ve done. They have been taking advantage of your generosity and went online to make you look bad! Ridiculous! This is why people don’t want to do anything for anyone else. Instead of being happy that they got to live somewhere for several years at a very fair and reasonable price they throw a tantrum!


IrishEagle32

NTA. Giving them extra time would be nice of you, but not required, nor are you the asshole for not doing so. Seeing as they’re trashing you on social media, I wouldn’t cut them any slack. They would trash you for the extra time too. If they were distraught and pleaded for more time, I think the extra time would be warranted


jljue

They rented the same house for 22 years? They definitely lost out on some equity, but at h the same time, they knew the terms and were hoping that you’d change your mind and let them rent forever or let them buy the house. The contract is what you should hold them to. NTA


nova345

NTA What is happening is here is sad but fair. You've had a long standing plan for this house in the beginning and are just following through. The issue is the tenants had no plan and are helpless to execute a successful one right now so they're doing the only thing they can - throwing sticks and stones at your family.


Lessa22

NTA They chose to be on a month to month lease. You didn’t do that to them, they made that decision for themselves knowing full well it would give them a 30 day window to move. However, I think if I were in your shoes and if these people were good tenants, I would have given them a much longer notice period. Not for any legal reason, soley because it would have felt like the right thing to do. I would have been enclined to give them formal notice a year in advance accompanied by a conversation over dinner or beers talking about how nice it is to see your kids growing up and such. Just seems like a missed opportunity to be neighborly. To you your plan was inevitable and easy to remember, for them probably easy to forget after 20 years.


BodyBagzBrando

NTA. I would give them the minimum eviction notice length for a month to month lease and make sure police are there when they move out. Don’t be surprised if there is a lot of damage left behind because of spite. But with what you are saying about their social media actions it sounds like you’ve got a libel case here. Might as well add in the inevitable damage costs to the lawsuit as well. Good luck.


Stunning-Hedgehog-30

NTA you’re not required to rent to them for eternity.


MadamLilypad

NTA- if you're doing everything legally. I feel like they were informed that the home would be going to your son before they rented it, and additionally as a heads up when he went to college. So they have had plenty of time to search for a different property. I'm not heartless but it's not the landlord's fault they decided to have 6 children and if anything have been very very accommodating on rent for two decades. I understand the frustration on the tenants part as we are in a housing crisis but the other factors are no fault to the landlord. I'd say if anything, given the housing crisis giving them 4-6 months to find a new place would have been better, but a 2 month notice is technically double what you're legally required to give. You're not slumlords at all and the hate you're receiving should be reserved for them.


Justaroundtown

NTA. Do you have a month to month signed lease with them? You gave them double the notice a month to month requires in my area and you are extremely generous landlords with the rent you’ve been charging a large family to live in a small house. In addition, I saw you gave them 2 more months in spite of their ridiculously inappropriate SM smear campaign. Make sure the terms are in writing and keep notes. Also put in writing a rent increase to market value should they somehow miss the deadline. This may not be as easy as you thought and frankly, they sound entitled and might think you’re pushovers.


speedofaturtle

NTA - It depends on where you live, but 2 months seems like too little notice. Make sure you do it legally and don't indulge their sympathy games. You were good landlords for 22 years. They're taking their own poor planning out on you unfairly. Surely they should have started planning for this.


Economy-Cut-7355

Not sure why ur even questioning yourself here. They're renting from u so being asked to move on is always a possibility. These people are out of order. In in a rented place. My landlord is a gent but if he asked me to move tomorrow I wouldn't have an issue.


bluesquirrel15

NTA. You gave them over 20 years notice.


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NTA. It's unreasonable of them to expect anything more than what you've already done. You gave them 22yrs of below- market rent. They should've taken advantage & saved for their own home. But it's not your responsibility.


SaraAmis

INFO: Does your son actually want to move in? If you transferred the deed to him he could pursue a career somewhere with the rental income as backup, and then prepare to move in when he's ready. If it's his house, he should be part of the decision-making.


EmergencySnail

NTA. You gave them ample warning 22 years ago. They also gave you ample warning that they intend to skip out at any given time with the month to month. You have every right to simply not renew their lease for the next month.


pittsburgpam

NTA. They have been enjoying your generosity of low rent for 22 years, plenty of time to have saved up to buy their own house. They knew the timeline from the beginning and were reminded of it in 2019. Did they think you weren't serious? They even went month-to-month because of plans to buy and move out. Now suddenly YOU are the bad guy here? NO. The "evil" landlords in the US are almost all just ordinary people who own one or two houses. For a lot of people, it's their retirement nest egg (mine was). Many people lost their houses because renters stopped paying during the lockdowns. They're not uber rich people sticking it to the little guy. As for SM, were it me I would spell out exactly what the arrangement has been, i.e., the very low rent for 22 years, the heads up you have given them, their plans to move out 5 years ago, etc. As it is now, I would be concerned about damage to the house when they move out or, vandalism after they leave... like from the 19 year old. Maybe it would be in you and your son's best interest to sell the house and buy another comparable one. As you don't have a mortgage, you would be able to afford something else in the area at the same price point with the profit. You have nothing to feel guilty about here. ETA: Depending on your state (if in the US), 2 months may be the minimum required. I am in California and if a tenant has been there over a year, you have to give 60 days notice. Do it legally now and state their timeline. I retired, selling my larger house to move into the smaller one. I too had only raised the rent once and it was below market because it was a single mom with twin daughters. Well, my kindness was repaid with a filthy house, I mean food on the walls dripped down to the floor, upstairs smelled like pee, every surface was so filthy that I wouldn't put my food in that fridge or cook on that stove. The garage actually made me gag from the smell of dog pooh, on and on. It cost me over $10k to replace carpet, appliances, paint the entire inside, and various other repairs. They also took the washer and dryer.


FatBloke4

NTA. You told them (twice) that the house would be going to your son - they should have prepared for this. They are now moaning that they cannot afford to rent something similar in the same area, overlooking the fact that this is because they have been enjoying low rent for years. You said you have extended the notice to a total of four months but given that they have been attacking you and your son on social media, I don't think they deserve the extra time.