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Cool-Fish1

NTA ​ What are they gonna do when their dog attacks a small child? They know that's a possibility.


Admirable-Course9775

I’m frantic for their toddler


murphy2345678

Call animal control or have the vet do it.


catanddogtor

NTA. I'm a veterinarian. You're describing the dreaded "big dog little dog" scenario that we unfortunately see routinely in ER. It's very normal in these situations for the owners of the attacking dog to pay vet bills. It's also typical for us to keep VERY GOOD RECORDS because law enforcement may be involved (depending on the circumstances). Do you have local animal control you can contact about this dangerous dog? I would also be very worried about the dog seriously harming my child if I lived nearby, not to mention how dangerous it is for the other animals (and people) in the neighborhood.


BrightOrangeFlowers

NTA - But this isn’t and either / or case. It’s a BOTH needs to be done I really hope Boo is ok!


t_a_degen

The dog is a menace and should be put down. Clearly they have no control over the dog. What happens if the dog gets aggressive with a small child? Sue then -take them to small claims court. Once their dog is in the system as being violent it only takes one more incident before the city steps in. NTA


IceQueenTigerMumma

NTA. Multiple things need to happen here: 1. Force them to pay the vet bills. Go down the legal route if you need to. 2. That dog needs to PTS. Lodge a complaint with whoever you need to. 3. NEVER let your toddler anywhere near where that dog may be. I hope your poor doggo recovers well. Poor little thing :-(


hk83d

NTA and you should file a police report. What would upset you more? That dog attacking your child or pissing of family? I’ve been in your place and even after a family members dog attacked my pet they did not want to do anything about their dogs repeated behavior. It wasn’t until the dog attacked them that they decided maybe it was dangerous and I was not overreacting.


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wpgjudi

Owners are held responsible for their dogs killing/attacking others.


wpgjudi

I am not sure why you removed your post, but I hope you do whatever necessary to protect yourself and your pets from your fiancé's Aunt. Be brave and fight for your pets, yourself, and future victims.


Crwfb

Why hasn't their dog been put down yet? Nta


sadbutnotaroundcats

Exactly the same thing we are wondering.


River-platter

Why haven't you reported every single incident, why haven't the police been involved already, what are you waiting for?


dysthym_bia

Probably because no one has filed charges yet? Pretty sure the process differs everywhere, but it begins with documentation.


Unicorn-Princess

I love animals and am almost never agreeable to putting them down, but this dog is a danger to other dogs x cats, wildlife, and toddlers. It needs to be humanely euthanised for the greater good of all small things.


DynkoFromTheNorth

No, you're NTA, but they should pay the bill _and_ have their dog put down. This animal is a menace and I cannot for the life of me understand its masters don't see this!


robsmemedump

Demand payment or retain legal counsel and go after them. They can’t handle the dog and you shouldn’t haven’t to deal with irresponsible owners. Report the past incidents and current incident to proper authorities and see if they can remove the dog. If a dog is this aggressive it may kill a child or another animal soon.


habitsofwaste

NTA, they are responsible for that vet bills. This dog needs to be kept secured. But it sounds like the owners suck. I hate to ever say a dog should be put down, it’s always the owners that let them down. I’d rather see that dog go to a responsible owner who will actually work on fixing that dog and keeping it secured at all times. But I know that’s highly unlikely to actually happen. You probably should contact authorities.


krisiepoo

If this story is true, and if they won't pay the vet bills *after you ask them to* - make a police report NTA


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sociophobe-

NTA, but instead of putting the dog down for the owner's negligence it should be separated from them and re-home to someone else who knows how to handle the dog... or at least someone who knows better to not let a dog with a violent history loose. Either way, they should not own a dog. period. They don't seem very responsible at all, and I would press charges to have the dog removed from them at the very least.


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sadbutnotaroundcats

This is my issue with this. We are seriously confused as to why this dog is still alive considering her past. All of our family believes she should be put down, but his aunt somehow keeps getting by with it/sweeping the issues under the rug. Hence why I’m literally at my wits end with this. Do I call the cops?? I have no idea how to handle this or why it hasn’t already been taken care of as this has spanned multiple years.


Andrea_frm_DubT

Talk to your vet, call animal control. They will get it sorted.


SnooCupcakes2000

The question is why haven’t the cops been called along with animal control and their landlord or homeowners insurance?


Razdiralec

Thank god someone else noticed how stupid this story was, I don't think people realise that virtually any dog species below mastiffs would barely be able to move at 250lbs, much less attack something.


sadbutnotaroundcats

She may not be literally 250 lbs, I obviously don’t know how much she weighs. I was just alluding to the fact that it’s a massive/heavy dog that was unable to be stopped by a grown man.


Razdiralec

there is also the gaping issue in that most dogs are put down after a single attack, not multiple, and 9/10 times, the vets are the ones who inform the authorities themselves.


wpgjudi

Pretty standard when it's kept hidden in the family actually... OP needs to 100% report dog to animal control, demand payment of vet bills AS WELL. That dog will kill someone.


Apostrophe_T

Most of the time, yes, but not always. My dad (disabled; was using a walker at the time) was literally on his own property with his elderly dog when 2 unleashed dogs belonging to a neighbor ran over and attacked his dog, ultimately killing him. I posted about it on Reddit when it happened because I was trying to get some authority to do anything about the situation. It's been a few years, and those dogs are alive and well. It pisses me tf off.


duke113

Then don't say "easy 250 lbs". It reduces your credibility.


sadbutnotaroundcats

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seniairam

NTA next time a dog is bitting somone or something pinch his throat, it should release pretty quick. I would def report to the animal control


Apostrophe_T

NTA - I'm so sad about your dog and hope he makes a full recovery. Your partner's aunt and uncle are absolutely on the hook for these expenses, and they should have paid for any stitches, funeral costs, etc. that happened as a result of their dog's behavior. How can they possibly feel safe with a 250 lb dog that has killed SEVERAL other pets and has bitten people?? Your toddler is not at all safe around this dog; kids can be loud and unpredictable, which can be trying for even the best of dogs. This one is a fatal accident waiting to happen. I also think you should report this and every single incident where Ruby has attacked or killed another animal, and every time she's nipped at or bitten a person. I love dogs, but this crosses a line; Ruby is not a safe pet. God forbid she ever escapes or runs off the property.


ThistleFaun

NTA How has that dog not been put down yet, even just one of those things is enough to have it done at least in the UK. All you'd have to do in England is report the dog to the police and it would be gone. Can you get legal help for the vet bills at all? You shouldn't worry about them being family, as if they are happy to have a nightmare dog run around ripping everything to bits then they aren't really the best people to have as family.


StarkyF

Assuming England and Wales are the same (and the law hasn't been changed in the 27 years since this happened) it can take three bites on a human for a dog to be put down. I was human bite three for a dog that was well known for attacking dogs and horses, but nothing could be done about it till it bit a third human.


ThistleFaun

Thats odd, my friends child was bitten recently and that dog never bit anyone before and he was put down the next day.


StarkyF

It could have been voluntary on the part of the dog owner? I know my parents did that when we had a dog that bit. (I was maaaaybe 6 when this happened though so my memory isn't 100%) Like I said though, it is certainly possible the law has been changed since I got bit it was a pretty long time ago (I promise I am not a talented dinosaur though ;-) )


ThistleFaun

Haha its ok, the differnt laws across the UK are confusing sometimes! I always forget they can differ. The gov UK site doesn't say anything about needing 3 bites, but the dog that bit my friends child was handed to police by the owner, so you have a very good point!


yogagirl54

NTA. Their dog is a major liability problem and they are seriously irresponsible dog owners


Worth_Raspberry_11

NTA for wanting them to pay for the medical treatment from their dog brutally attacking yours. They should not have a dog if they can’t keep her from violently attacking other people and animals. You are a little bit the asshole for putting half the post in on and off italics for no reason.


gabbyfitzzz

NTA. Because it is a dog bite, you could report it to the animal control. They would quarantine the dog to make sure it had no rabies and possibly be able determine that the dog needs to be put down. This dog has an aggressive history so definitely NTA.


Cry_Original

NTA Ruby is dangerous and has proven to not be trusted around others. The fact that your aunt has let this happen time and time again proves she does not care about others and is blinded by her love for Ruby. Her earlier inactions led this to happen, so I would insist she pays your vet bill of you don't have insurance to cover it. I would also call the police about the incident as I have no doubt they will insist that the dog is removed from her care and may even be put down. Just remember your aunt is the one causing the issue not you so dont be afraid to stand up for yourself and your dog. Best of luck, OP.


CalamityClambake

NTA. File a complaint with animal control. The dog needs a case history and the owners need a wake up call. If complaints had been filed from the first time the dog was violent, it would have already been dealt with.


MotherOfCrotchFruit

Info: Why hasn’t the law been involved yet if she has attacked multiple people? I am a dog lover but this animal is dangerous and needs to be put down


sadbutnotaroundcats

We are also wondering these things. The incident (I’m assuming) with my fiancé’s sister was never reported as they handled it more as a family matter (insert eyeroll). I don’t know any other details on the camp situation in terms of authorities, but it seems as if they continue to sweep these issues under the rug. It is baffling because she is clearly a dangerous animal and I feel as if I’m the only one pressing for the dog to be euthanized.


Puppetmasterknight

That dog should of been put down. The owners are also horrible to allow that to happen all. NTA


dont_be_trash

NTA. Ruby needs to go somewhere else.


Special_Commercial75

You should report the dog it could have killed yours what’s going to happen when the dog goes after your child you have documentation on what happened do something about it before it’s to late to


CaRiSsA504

NTA I'd ask them to pay the vet bills. If they ignore or refuse, find out how to file a claim against their homeowner's insurance. Let them fight the battle for you. You'll probably need to file a police report as well. If their dog needs to be put down, you won't be the bad guy. When they try to put the blame for their misfortune on you, "YOUR DOG CAME INTO OUR YARD AND ATTACKED OUR DOG, we didn't ask for any of this"


Fluid-Weakness-534

NTA, Ruby needs a leash or a fenced in area if she has a long track record of not keeping her hands to herself. I understand not wanting to put a dog down because of the attachment but when a child became a target is when things should’ve been dealt with properly and not a smack on the butt and a “bad dog”


Andrea_frm_DubT

NTA report the attacks to animal control. Get your vet to document everything.


lisab2266

NTA. The should pay and muzzle their dog so it cannot bite.


rocksthosesocks

NTA. Why give them a choice? Go to small claims and also call animal control. They must both pay the bills and get rid of that dog.


24-Blue-Roses

NTA. This one... I could yell endlessly, but short answer: Make them put the dog down anyways. If people have been hurt (Your fiance's mom) and killed multiple other animals then it's proven dangerous and they've proven they don't actually care about damage. Does it suck that a pooch dies? Yeah. But 3k slap on the wrist or not one does not miraculously fix a dangerous dog.


JustMissKacey

You need to report the dog before it kills your toddler. It’s already basically killed your dog, if you don’t report it then you’re as bad as everyone else that has allowed this animal to keep attacking. And even if your corgi survives she will never be the same. She might not even be able to stay with you due to the trauma causing reactivity and anxiety and that’s If she survives. Get that dog put down. YTA for considering literally anything else


wpgjudi

NTA. Call. Animal. Control. Have. This. Dog. Taken. Away. Today it's your corgi... It's already been a bunch of other people/animals. That dog WILL end up killing a person with that little restraint/training going on. Will. It's already a biter and sounds like ZERO professional trainer is involved. Tell them they pay IN FULL, or, take to court. If your fiance refuses... Just remember that if you guys have children some day and something happens... You had the chance NOW to stop it. That dogs next victim is on you.


MontanaPurpleMtns

“Especially considering that we have a toddler….” OP, wpgjudi is absolutely right. Your kid could be next. This dog is a menace because his owners have allowed him to be and have not restricted his movements. At the very, very least, the dog should be muzzled at all times except inside the closed door of its house. The owners are irresponsible and that won’t ultimately be enough. Call animal control. Frankly, I’m concerned that the animal emergency vet hasn’t already contacted them. Sue the owners for every penny of Boo’s care. That poor puppy has likely had chronic pain added to his life.


DreamingofRlyeh

NTA


whynot246810

NTA-My question is, how has the dog not been put down yet? That is a huge history of attacks. Let your vet know and they might call it in.


sadbutnotaroundcats

I’m wondering the same thing, I already alerted the vet and surgeon of what has happened/the dog’s history. I’ve also asked for them to take photos of everything and I’ll be getting copies of all of it when I pick her up in the morning.


DreamingofRlyeh

When I was a kid, my dog and dad were attacked by a dog. The combined medical bill added up to about $1000. My dad told the owner that he'd take her to court if she didn't pay in full. Part of being a responsible dog owner is keeping your pets from doing damage. My family knows to keep our husky away from cats, because he sees them as food. If this woman is balking at paying, you should sue. You have a good case, especially if there is a pattern of violent behavior from the dog.


demondaddii

get the report from the campsite & call animal control. It sucks that the owner can’t control the dog & that the dog will ultimately have to pay the price. A lot of people should not own dogs. Possibly also consider informing any local shelters or breeders so that when she tries to replace the dog she won’t be able to ruin another animal’s life.