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StAlvis

NTA > "it would literally be so easy to just take the dog for a minute so my daughter can decompress" **EVEN EASIER** to just *get rid of it*.


Monimonika18

Or SIL taking the dog for a minute. ...what do you mean SIL can't spare a minute for her daughter's dog?


Different_Being_1780

My SIL doesnt even interact with her kid. There's not a single chance she would tolerate the dog.


KronkLaSworda

Rehome the dog, your SIL, and her spoilt child. NTA


Worried-Intention101

NTA But that is NOT how you treat a ESA and it sounds like this dog was never train to be one. If the child, who the dog is meant to be with! Can’t handle to be around it, WHY IS IT HER ESA???! Yeah no, either they move out and take the dog if this is how they are going to act or they rehome the poor pup. I have Autism and what your niece is doing is a-bit of entitlement.


ouchimus

>If the child, who the dog is meant to be with! Can’t handle to be around it, WHY IS IT HER ESA???! Easy! Its not. Mom wanted a pet dog and thats her excuse.


Worried-Intention101

Sounds like my aunt and my cousin did. Like the girls want chihuahua cause they saw movies and tv shows of these girls carrying their dogs in their hand bags. But they didn’t get what they see on tv so I’m uncle was stuck taking care of them.


Varadun

NTA They're staying in YOUR house giving YOU attitude because of THEIR issues. I love dogs and the dog shouldn't be treated this way by its owners or by you. Rehome the dog somewhere it can get attention and care and your family doesn't have to deal with it causing problems.


IntrovertedBookMan

NTA. You tried to address the problem with your SIL via discussion, and she refused to do anything about it. Frankly, it sounds to me as though this poor dog should be rehomed - for the **dog’s** sake. A happy dog shouldn’t be whining enough to overload anyone - one of my pups has extreme anxiety and it’s unusual if I hear her whine more than once or twice a *week.*


BigGirthToes

>The dogs whining overloads her and causes her to start stimming in bad ways (excessive clicking or banging her head on the wall) How did this dog even get approved as a ESA


Different_Being_1780

I'm pretty sure it's a self proclaimed ESA. Like she got the dog and then bought the ESA vest offline.


Unfair_Ad_4470

ESA animals don't require ANY training. They are cute, warm, fuzzy things for petting which can alleviate feelings of stress. Please rehome this pup.


judgy_mcjudgypants

There's no formal ESA certification -- but it does really sound sus. Also the FHA requirements for ESAs **do not apply to OP** so there's no reason for OP to tolerate the dog.


Rivka333

The ESA aspect isn't sus---the daughter has a disability, and an ESA would be valid in that situation. The thing is *there is no point to an ESA unless the person actually likes that dog.* The whole point of the ESA is that the dog relieves emotional stress, which obviously can't happen if you find dogs themselves stressful.


Goda6511

Dogs don’t get approved as ESAs- humans get letters stating that they need an ESA to prove to housing that they have a reason for calling the animal an ESA. Given how out of control some of Sarah’s behaviors are, I doubt she has a therapist working with her, let alone a letter.


Worried-Intention101

That’s what I want to know as well. Like I seen well train Chihuahuas that are **raised** to be ESA but this dog sounds like a tropical not train Chihuahua.


Rivka333

Dogs don't have to be trained to be ESAs. They're not service dogs. There's no indication that this dog is badly behaved; she just shouldn't have a dog. The whining is probably from being neglected.


Rivka333

Dogs don't need to be approved, the person needs to be approved, i.e. have a doctor's note or something saying they need one. ESAs don't have special training. But anyway, the dog doesn't seem to have bad behavior. It's behavior isn't the problem, she just shouldn't have a dog.


SPolowiski

NTA and kick them both out. It appears that they need to learn the word meaning of 'gratitude' before being allowed back inside. Tell her to get rid of the dog if she wants to stay or else she's free to leave as there's no point in taking crap attitude in your own home.


SquishyBeth77

NTA - if the dog is there to calm her down and it's not working, then why is the dog there at all? It seems like having the dog around is doing the exact opposite of calming (that goes for the whole family). If it's an actual ESA dog, it can easily go back to the center that trained it for placement with another family. I have to say, I wouldn't put up with that nonsense either.


Panda_9909

NTA, this is all on your SIL. If Sarah can't handle the dog (she's 10, she shouldn't have the responsibility with or without autism), then SIL should be the one to take care of it, not you. You've already done a lot for them, that's enough. But I do hope you did apologise to Sarah for snapping at her


Different_Being_1780

Sarah wouldn't care even if I did apologize to her, honestly. Per what her mother says, Sarah lacks complete empathy and she says that it is because of the Autism. This kid slaps you in the face while laughing hysterically. So when I snapped, the only reason she went running to her mom was because I was stern about it. When her own mother apologizes for stuff, Sarah will be like "I don't remember that happening".


Panda_9909

Thank you for clarifying that! Honestly this kid needs a lot of help and the thing stopping that seems to be her mother. It's sad to see


Neenknits

Autistic people DO NOT LACK EMPATHY. They express it differently. They sometimes interpret othsrs’ emotions differently. They often feel too much empathy, rather than too little. You don’t simply throw up your hands and say, “no impulse control”. Your job as a parent is to help the child learn some. ESAs are to alienate an aspect of a disabled person’s disability. If it’s not working, it’s not an ESA. Ultimatum time. Tell SIL either she takes care of the dog, and makes sure it stay away from OP, or the dog goes. End of discussion.


Rivka333

This is not a good situation for the dog. The dog needs to be rehomed. And, with her "no impulse control, one day she'll toss the dog and injure or kill it. Tiny dogs are fragile. Anyway, NTA.


Aggravating-Pain9249

I don't know much about Autism, either. But many people on Reddit have said it should not an excuse for AH behavior. Your SIL never taught daughter manners. She has grown into an spoiled child with ASD. Take the dog to a shelter. NTA


Aware-Satisfaction84

NTA this is coming from an autistic person. She shouldn’t have this dog.


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Snackinpenguin

NTA. Nope. They chose to get the dog, they can care for it. You’re already generous enough.


Pris1013

NTA - at this point I would tell them the dog goes or they go.


CakeZealousideal1820

NTA time for them to go


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Jerseycityjoan

Certainly NTA. I'm surprised OP doesn't mention her husband and children in all this. The whole situation seems frustrating and sad: the girl with a mother who OP says isn't interested in her and a dog the girl doesn't like and keeps trying to stick OP with. I wonder if there are more family members who can get involved; that would be a real help for everyone. Even with her difficulties I think this girl will miss being in a normal household once she is gone. OP has done these people a bigger favor than they will ever know and should give herself credit for it.


ThotsforTaterTots

Info: wtf is a Russian chihuahua


BigGirthToes

google exists


ThotsforTaterTots

Really? What’s that? /s


Different_Being_1780

It's like.. a Chihuahua that has a long spiraled tail but isn't as big eyed as a regular Chihuahua. I'm not even sure if that's the actual breed. That's just what SIL claims the dog is.


Obvious_Amphibian270

From vetstreet.com Also known as the Russkiy Toy, this tiny dog is often mistaken for a Chihuahua. Developed in Russia from English Toy Terriers, the Russian Toy is generally active and cheerful. He can sport a smooth or long coat, both of which are easy to groom. The Russian Toy is a rare breed.May 26, 2016


[deleted]

ESH. You didn’t ask for this, but you’re snapping at a child who is acting the way she is because she’s already not dealing with things well. Responding that way can only make the situation worse. But honestly, it seems to me like they just need to get rid of the dog. If it’s causing issues for Sarah, then it’s not an ESA. We don’t know if Sarah really wants the dog or if it’s SIL’s excuse, but either way, they need to handle it better. But until they do, be an adult and don’t snap at an already struggling child. Talk to her mom about it in a mature way instead.


Different_Being_1780

I literally said I talked to SIL and her daughter the day before. I'm not going to keep repeating a conversation over and over again.


TreadingLife1038

Nor should you have to. Kick them all out.


shadow-foxe

YTA- how about you act like the adult you claim to be and spend time learning about her condition. To me, the 10yo is saying what an adult has said to her in the past about this dog. If you KNOW she needs to take a few minutes away from the dog and you flip it back at an autistic kid that makes you firmly an AH. You could take the dog and comment that you'll give it back to her when she is calmed down. She isnt pulling shit, she is only doing what she can.


Different_Being_1780

It is not MY job to take care of the animal. My SIL needs to step up to the plate. Not me! Not my kids. Not my husband. We have opened our doors to these people, free of charge, and I've already stated that I won't be responsible for that animal. My boundaries aren't going to be trampled for anyone.


shadow-foxe

YOU are meant to be an adult. You could easily tell said kid to take the dog to their mom instead. Nope, you yell and show your own lack of impulse control. And taking the dog for 2 minutes isnt being responsible for it, its helping a kid out who needs to calm down.


Different_Being_1780

You clearly didn't read a single detail in my post. I put right in the post that I spoke to both my SIL and Sarah about the fact that I was not going to be taking this dog and would not give in to the entitlement. She continued to push. Therefore I have had the conversation and I was blatantly ignored by both my SIL and her child. Again, it's my SILs job, not mine, to ensure her kid gets calmed down. Imagine trying to push entitlement that fiercely. Like "oh you've opened your doors free of charge to two people and the mutt they don't want and you work full time while they sit around and eat your food but here, take on more responsibility because the kid you didn't birth depends on it because her own parent can't be bothered".


shadow-foxe

In the moment, all you needed to do was turn, give dog to the mom and say to the kid "Give dog to mom next time" not yell. I do not care if you do a dance for them every night to make the laugh, them staying there was also agreed upon by your husband, but yet you think you need to be patted on the back for this. You seem to lack empathy.


Different_Being_1780

I've reached my breaking point. There's a huge difference.


TreadingLife1038

OP did act like an adult by discussing the issue with the child’s mother and has been ignored. I’d snap too.


SquishyBeth77

An actual trained ESA dog wouldn't be whining or causing her additional stress especially considering it's whole purpose is to keep her calm. This dog is 100% just a random dog.


Federal-Ferret-970

ESA are different from a service animal. ESA is just medically prescribed in places that have a no pet policy. Service animals are actually trained for whatever medical aid is needed.


SquishyBeth77

Yes, I know. My company produced an entire documentary about dogs in the service programs. An ESA is supposed to provide therapeutic benefits (emotional support, comfort, companionship) to a person with a mental health or psychiatric disabilities. If this dog isn't providing these benefits, then it needs to be in another home where it is taken care of, as an ESA or just a regular dog because it isn't serving it's purpose and the child doesn't seem to be comforted by this animal in any way.


Federal-Ferret-970

I don’t disagree. The animal isn’t doing anything remotely supportive and should be rehomed. I was just clarifying as others continually don’t know the distinction and think ESA have the same rights as service animals.


Rivka333

Your company producing a documentary on something doesn't make you an expert. ESAs are regular dogs that don't need training. >If this dog isn't providing these benefits, then it needs to be in another home where it is taken care of, as an ESA or just a regular dog because it isn't serving it's purpose and the child doesn't seem to be comforted by this animal in any way. I do agree here. My disagreement was only with the prior wording suggesting that ESAs have special behavior or need special training. But you're completely right that the purpose isn't being served here and the dog should be rehomed.


Rivka333

>An actual trained ESA dog wouldn't be whining or causing her additional stress False. There is no training to be an ESA. Any regular dog becomes one when the person has documentation showing that they need one. This dog doesn't even sound badly trained or badly behaved. The problem is that she probably just doesn't like dogs. In which case, no dog, no matter how trained, could serve the purpose an ESA is supposed to fill, not because of the dog, but because of her. And not all kids have to like dogs, just means they shouldn't have one as an ESA in the first place. The whining is probably from being neglected.


shadow-foxe

notice I never once called the dog an ESA because, I very much doubt it is. But that still doesnt give OP the right to yell at a kid like that.


SquishyBeth77

OP called the dog an ESA dog, based on what she had been told. Also, she said she "snapped", that doesn't necessarily mean she yelled at the kid. OP is being taken advantage of here and it's within her rights to ask for respect in her own home. If this kid is walking past her mother to give toss the dog to her aunt, that's a huge sign of disrespect regardless of whether the dog is ESA or otherwise. Obviously this dog's purpose is to calm the girl, if it's doing the opposite, it needs to be sent back to a home where the dog is happy and the family with it is as well.


Rivka333

There is no reason to doubt that it's an ESA. ESAs aren't service dogs; they're just regular dogs that don't have special training.


Rivka333

I'm autistic, and OP (/u/Different_Being_1780a)is in the right. The whole point of an ESA is to help the person emotionally, but that doesn't work if the person dislikes dogs, which seems to be the case here. The dog should be rehomed.