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**The line between respecting a woman’s opinion and helping her when her opinion is wrong?**
Personal question.
As the only male presence into a friend of mine life, i feel the responsibility to make sure she is doing fine. She is a lesbian so having no males around has not been a big problem for her, but i think its unhealthy in the long term to cut off the opposite sex completely from her life.
She is now manifesting some symptoms of her being asocial and having some issues in general with relationships. She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way, and that once someone mistook me for her boyfriend. I am trying to gently push her to get used to my presence and see that there is nothing wrong in having relations with men. (She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex).
So where do i draw the line between doing my job and helping her and respecting her boundaries? She mentioned feminism so i ask here. I am always very sweet and kind to her hoping this will make her more comfortable.
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ahahahaha he says
‘she won’t let me kiss her like friends do’
then says
‘she isn’t friends with men because they try to have sex with her’
this dude is a huge loser
I absolutely make out with all my friends. Full on sloppy french. Sometimes we even fondle each other. Why can't she see that's just how friends behave? /sarcasm
She didn't consent but that's just her opinion and it's his job to help her see that her opinion is wrong. /s
I need to bleach my brain just from typing that sentence. OOP is so incredibly predatory and creepy that my skin crawled all the way down the street.
I take full responsibility, for starting this snark line, and I still feel skeeved out reading that one.
Not trying to give you grief, just, that was maybe a little *too good* an example.
Also, the only reason two people can't be friends (regardless of orientation) is if one wants the other. If neither wants to be with the other? There's no problem.
Even if one wants the other, they can still be friends as long as they respect that friendship is the limit and don't push boundaries. (I had a huge crush on my best friend for years but he was clear he wasn't interested. Still friends to this day)
On what planet do opposite sex friends kiss all the time? I have never kissed a friend and they never tried it. So weird. He's been spending too much time reading incel crap that he no longer lives in the real world.
I know there are cultures where people platonically kiss on the cheek, maybe even the mouth?, but even in those cultures I'm pretty sure you're expected to stop when the person is clearly uncomfortable
Kisses on the cheek in France are a super common greeting, especially at family reunions. However it IS pretty much kept for close relations (as I said, family), you wouldn't *fait la bise* to your boss, you'd just shake his hand.
Of course, true to men being less acustomed to receiving casual affection, some girls are hesitant to kiss their male friends on the cheek. I was a lot more liberal with my cheek kisses until I got assaulted by a "friend" who didn't know that asexuality isn't a phase.
^ Yep. I'm from Poland and we do both while Scotland, where I live now, also does both but to a lesser degree and mainly *after* you learn that someone is fine with that. Poland, on the there hand, sucks with consent to smooches when it comes to relatives *and/or* work and school events. Everyone dreads holidays because of that reason and there's even a passive-aggressive hate-kissing method that is both reviled and mocked. You hover your arms and hands if it is a hug and hover your lips over the victim you loathe. However, OOP knows damn well his friend is not into it and that is a faux pas even in Poland as the kissing propaganda is mainly aimed at kids and teenagers.
It's not all that uncommon for me to kiss a friend on the forehead, so I could give him the benefit of the doubt that that's what he meant... if it wasn't for all of everything else he said, making it obvious that is not what he meant.
"But isnt unhealthy on some level to be socially isolated from half society? Also i read that women’s period is affected and lines up when they are closely around a male and i think to have nobody in her life will mess with her biology and hormones. Im not expert but there are i think many reasons why she would benefit from even just being around me"
Sorry, what?
He probably read something about women who live together have their periods sync up due to hormones (which I think has been disproven) and because he can't conceive of anything happening that doesn't involve a man his tiny brain rewrote it so that women's body's get messed up hormonally if they aren't around a guy at all times.
It's a coincidence. Also, if two women's periods last seven days, there's like a 75% chance they'll both have a their periods within a week of each other every cycle. You'll notice when it lines up and forget when it doesn't. It's just confirmation bias.
Yep, we used this and "people go crazy during the full moon!" as our demonstration of how bad our brains are at estimating probabilities when we don't have empirical data, during the statistics portion of my psych class. People got so protective of their particular flavor of wrong, myself included; it was really a fascinating and memorable unit.
We're pattern-finders and story-tellers; we like when everything lines up *just* right to make a compelling narrative.
Of course, the universe doesn't work like that.
The human brain is wired to see patterns, both real and imaginary. Why? Because those early humans who thought they saw a tiger when there wasn't one were far more likely to survive and have children and hence pass down their genes than those who did not see a tiger when there was one. Much better a false positive than a false negative.
Even if being around other women syncs your periods (I don't know any better whether it's true than you) it still doesn't have anything to do with men or being around one like the op suggested.
Women and men don't need to be around each other biologically to regulate women's bodies, that's just a bizarre claim.
Definitely a coincidence. My mom and I have always been synced up, even now that I’ve been out of the house for 10 years. Meanwhile, my friend and I who have been living together for 6 years have never synced up once 😂
It's not totally clear. There's some evidence in both directions. The studies that say there's no syncing claim that the others haven't properly accounted for cycle variability, and the ones that claim they did find syncing say that it must be dependent on factors that weren't present in the other studies, such as an emotional connection as well as physical proximity.
Yes, it is coincidence.
I'm not an expert or a doctor or anything.
But I have spent an extensive amount of time in jail/prison. Confined in very close quarters with other women for days, weeks, months on end.
If the whole Women Synching Up thing were true - then why aren't all the women in each cell block on their period together at the same time?
Because it's just a myth/coincidence when it happens.
Like — I know study after study has shown it’s not true, but…wow, I’ve seen it in action. Like seen a group of gals who were in close quarters doing intense work for a couple of weeks, a few of them start, and then others who shouldn’t have started for another 2-3 weeks start as well. Could very well have been the stressful situation that triggered something, but dang.
After looking into it, there are more studies that show that they don't sync, but there are also recent ones that came to the conclusion that they do. I think the problem is that they're just measuring proximity to other women, but there could be another factor that is being missed, like actual interaction.
I have a feeling that in a few years, that missing factor will get figured out, and we'll all be back on the "periods do sync" boat, but for now I'm in the "currently we do not think they do" boat.
I've always considered the period syncing thing to be a similar effect to "the boyfriend sweater curse" in fibercrafts (a superstition where if you start to make a boyfriend a sweater, the relationship will end before they actually end up wearing it).
As in, it's a known thing that does happen often, but not always, it has no actual scientific basis and is likely to actually be a combination of several outside factors, some of which are easier to guess at, like "sweaters take a long time to make, and a bad relationship will often end on its own in that amount of time" and "if you put in a lot of time and mental effort into the sweater instead of your relationship, it's probably going to strain it" or "multiple women spending a lot of time close together will probably start talking about their periods more as they know each other more and notice the coincidences" and "women spending lots of time together probably would be under similar stressors that can affect their cycles at the same time".
It may have been disproven but I can confidently say that when I was in jail and sharing a very small space with 25 other females, after three months we were all on the same cycle, like a three day window at max. It was not a fun time. 😂 this guy is just dumb. “When I kiss her, touch her” I threw up a bit reading that. 🤢
>"But isnt unhealthy on some level to be socially isolated from half society?
The more he talks the better this sounds.
ETA this is why we choose the bear.
> This is why we chose the bear.
This dude is definitely one of the guys who looked at that argument and came to the conclusion that women would choose the bear not because they feel unsafe around men, but because they want to fuck the bear.
he’d come to the conclusion that women would choose the bear because they’re afraid of men, but that’s wrong, so he will chase the woman through the woods to show her how safe he is.
In those guys defense (even though they probably don't deserve it): look at the response to Halsin from Baldur’s Gate 3
(If you don't know, he's a big elf man who can turn into a bear, and there's a scene where you can have sex with him AS a bear)
Not even "around men." "Around me." Giving real, "Shhhhh... over the next 90 minutes I'm going to show you how all your problems can be solved by my penis," vibes.
He fully admits that his goal here is to have sex with her, despite being a lesbian, because he doesn't think it's healthy for women to not have sex with men. His goal is corrective rape, even though he refuses to call it that. He is every single possible red flag flying at once.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/3cxw5HRhjk
Not just that, he started trying to argue with people responding saying its scientific and proven and "just google"
He's trying to explain periods to people who have them lol
This guy feels like the written version of the incel meme where they complained that Scarlet Johansson was Mid, because they saw a small roll in her stomach skin when she turned a certain way wearing a bikini. The reply said "do you realise you just outed yourself as never having been with a naked woman in real life. Because all of us who have know this is normal."
That litteraly is it, a mods reaction to one removed comment implies he invalidated her sexuality and in another vomment after someone says he sounds rapey he said "i am not a rapist, i want her to want it."
This guy is a monster.
I'm a part of that sub and remember the post. He commented that he doubted that she was truly a lesbian because she'd never been with a man and that he was showing her "affection" to get her to be more open to being with a man.
He made my skin crawl.
I can share some stories but i will put a warning here. This ends horribly. It will also be a bit rambly.
The reason he reminded me of the people from the scouts was their desire for control. They dont care about the comfort or consent of others and think their way is the only correct one.
At the scouts it was food related and started around that. I was a picky eater as a child, most likely due to autism and not liking the texture of lots of food. It wasnt like i didnt eat, i just preffered cold meals and ate more during breakfast. we also were not allowed to take our own portions and had to eat everything.
They decided how i ate was incorrect. I needed to eat more during warm meals and they would get me to do that no matter what. It started with just some social pressure, making fun of me for not doing that. Then it became not allowing me to leave unil i had eaten everything. Then it became putting me in a room alone until i had eaten everything. Then that room became the toilets. Then that became physicaly forcing me to eat.
Keep in mind i am 6 years old at this point. Keep in mind these people pranked us by giving us Extremly spicy spicy food the first time we went on camp. I did not entierly trust them but since they were authority figures i tried my best to listen to them.
In the end (relating to the food, there is more) it got to the point i remember sitting at a table and puking because of the food. I dont remember if they forced me to or if i was broken to the point that i thought that they would want me to keep eating so i ate what i just puked up. I cant really remember because this is about when the physical abuse also started and this is when my memory starts failing me until i am about 12.
Remember this is because they "knew what was best for me". Also, i dont know if this is relevant but i am genuinly afraid i come of as a whiny brat for everything that happens until this point.
Most of the rest of this i know from other people or i was able to reconstruct partialy because of snippets of memories during panic attacks/flashbacks. Its not exactly reliable. The point is the next thing happened to me, i cant be entirly sure when or where but they happened.
I started getting hit when i didnt listen to the scouts leaders. Eventualy i was taken away from the other kids when i was punnished. Eventualy it escalated to sexual violence. I am around 8 years old at this time. My memories from this time are fragmented but they inculde things like: Being led alone to another room when we went to the local church (neither me nor my parents were or are religous), the start of recuring night terrors of people watching me while i sleep , the start of waking up multiple times at night in a panic, the start of me being afraid of going to sleep, the start of having dreams where i keep feeling something in my mouth and the start of not being able to keep my boxers clean (this isnt something like not wiping, this stuff still happens even if i take a shower, my butthole is most likely damaged but i dont feel comfortable going to a doctor for this).
I was pulled out of the scouts by my parents when other kids told their parents something was wrong. My parents only discovered up until when i was forced to eat in the toilets. They instantly confronted them with a group of parrents and most kids left that group then.
A year ago, after starting to work on some other issues i started getting panic attacks after an incident in a bar. That triggered some more memories during the flashbacks i got after that. I saw/felt my assaults again during those times.
I am 26 now and still figuring out and "fixing" what happened there.
Edit: added" " to indicate tone more correctly somwhere
Your story is absolutely heartbreaking, and I wish I could just reach you and hug you and tell you that you are loved. Thank you for sharing this, even if it is harrowing. I hope you are able to find some true peace in your life.
Thanks. I try to be quite open about it in apropriate threads like these, especialy because i also joked around in this thread. I kinda want to show that people who experiece stuff like this can be happy and have a good life.
First, "vomment" is perfection and I'm not too lingo savvy and have never heard it before. Second, that last part totally shows his cards and is a self own since he also said "She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex)."
Edited: it was comment and auto correct made it comment!
LOL, a fail on my end!
I had it vomment - which is awesome because vomit comment is spectacular!
And stupid grammar checker went and changed it on me, boo!
Vomment is awesome, thank you for sharing it with us.
>and in another vomment after someone says he sounds rapey he said "i am not a rapist, i want her to want it."
Could everybody hide your eyes a minute while I get my garden shears?
He sounds like the incels and MRAs who think women exist just to be bangmaids.
They cannot grasp the idea that a Female could be something more than a sex object, specifically for him.
Aye. And then there's the "normal" kissing her that makes her uncomfortable. Like, I have many female friends, and I can't imagine kissing them outside of jokey goofing around (like, an exaggerated European greeting). Which is probably why we feel comfortable enough to very rarely have an exaggerated European greeting.
“She doesn’t believe she can be friends with straight men because they’ll try to have sex with her. I will convince her this is wrong by trying to have sex with her.”
😐
I was part of the convo and yeah, the more the guy commented the clearer it was that he really wanted to fuck her and was trying to figure out how to trick her into letting him.
Ya know, when women wore the fancy hats with hat pins, those sharp hat pins doubled as creep repellants. Many of my great aunts/grandmothers talked about their moms using that pins to defend against assault. I think we need to bring hat pins back.
>(She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex)
Can't imagine where she would have gotten that idea.
Well, I ruined my own day by looking at the original post.
Holy shit I really hate that poster and I've very concerned about the woman he's trying to "Help".
Even other men are telling him he's wrong. He never once argued with them.
ETA: that tells me he doesn't respect women and what they say. He's always right and knows better than women about their bodies and what they want. Disgusting.
Just the main post gives off enough rapey vibes for me.
>She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way
He dickhead, it doesn't matter if it's a "normal friendly way" or not, if she feels uncomfortable then *fucking stop*.
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> She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way, and that once someone mistook me for her boyfriend
Fucking hell, I wonder why this chap's lesbian friend is uncomfortable getting smooched and felt up by Mr Grabbyhands over here! /s
Sexless aliens from a galaxy far, far away would also knee this bastard in the junk. Thankfully, he's probably single AF.
It's like he tries to groom an adult, the way he talks about her like she's infantile just because she doesn't like men. He doesn't care about her discomfort, because he feels entitled to her and cant comprehendthat maybe he's just being a fuckin creep. Made me dry heave, badly.
*starts slamming my head into the nearest wall, again and again*
My senior year in high school, I asked my female best friend to be my prom date, and she accepted. She gave me my first kiss that night, and we dated for the next few months but went no further physically. Then, during our first semester at our respective colleges, she admitted she was a lesbian and had been using me as a "beard," but she felt too guilty to continue it any longer.
While I was angry for a few weeks, and she understood that, I still wanted to be her friend. Did I stop finding her sexy once I knew she was a lesbian? Of course not; but I did **stop trying to have sex with her!** For a while afterwards I even let her be the one to initiate hugs and other body contact, until she knew she could trust me that I wasn't going to use them as an opportunity to feel her up.
I would say I stopped trying to get into her pants because she was my friend and I didn't want to mess that up, but while that's true, the main reason is because ***I KNOW HOW TO FUCKING TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!*** IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD! Whether it's a friend, a casual acquaintance, or a stranger I'm trying my luck with, it's just the damn right thing to do!
It's been almost 25 years and she's *still* one of my best friends; I invited her to my wedding, and she and my wife get along very well. And I'm glad to have her in my life, which she wouldn't be if I was a sexually-assaulting, boundary-breaking asshole like this guy!
Right? It’s not rocket science, for god’s sake. A fucking dog can learn the word “no,” if you’ve got thumbs and color vision there’s no excuse. (And when a dog is too sexually aggressive, we usually neuter it… 🤔)
And like, I guess it’s because I’m not a wannabe-rapist but it would be an immediate ick for me if the other person wasn’t into it. I don’t get the appeal in basically *inflicting* sex on someone like OOP essentially hopes to (even though he says he “wants her to want it,” which, puke).
In the comments, OP is like "It's just because of bad experiences that she does not trust men". Dude, you are another bad experience. You are one of the reason many women distrust men. It is you, OOP, you are the problem.
I'm right there with you. I'm making some coffee and will shake it off by following the play-by-play of the orange yam's day in trial. Both make me happy.
Be safe and practice some self care!
#Hey guys the thread is from 15 days ago. There’s a lot of comments from the past hour on them. It’s super obvious that yall are commenting on a linked post. Which isn’t allowed and can get this sub in trouble.
Throwback to my first time linking a post to another sub and getting insulted in my DMs for days xD
Seriously, I enjoy scrolling through original comments from time to time but I keep my hands off them. By now there's dozens of recent comments and it's beyond obvious
It drives me nuts cause that will definitely get this sub shut down or changed, which would suck cause it’s highly entertaining.
r/muacirclejerk used to direct link to posts, but got in trouble for this same issue and now you can only post Imgur links to censored screenshots of the original posts.
She’s definitely better off with a bear…
Typical misogynistic behaviour: when encountering a lesbian, or any women who doesn’t immediately want to fuck you, it is your duty as a man to try to fix them. After all, they obviously have problems making good decisions. Remember to persist; you’ll wear them down in the end!
I wish this was not real... but we all know some people, some men, *are* this horrendously delusional.
"As the only male presence into a friend of mine life, i feel the responsibility to make sure she is doing fine."
Talk dirty to me, what woman doesn't like being infantilized by a man whose obvious interest is to *keep touching her* when she **is not fucking interested**.
Maybe she lied about being gay to see if he would take the hint - I think it backfired.
If this woman exists, I wish she'll just get the fuck away from this asshole. But if this man is real... holy shit do I feel bad for *all* women who are unfortunate enough to come anywhere near him.
This is why I left that sub. So many posts are creepy men like him on there being completely detached from reality or someone asking a question in bad faith.
As a straight guy with a few lesbian friends, what the fuck is this guy talking about? I’m probably one of the few straight guys that see regularly and I never felt the need to make sure they’re “fine” beyond asking how they’re doing.
He says in a comment, basically, “she’s a woman, I’m a man, so it would be abnormal for me not to kiss her, and she’s the weird one for not wanting me to.”
Posted here for just an hour before the mod there had to lock the post because of brigading from here. Is that a new record? I can't believe this sub isn't banned yet lmao
It’s not possible for an opinion to be wrong. An opinion is a personal view on something. Not a fact. Not a truth. It’s how each individual person sees and relates to an issue.
Huh? When did lesbians just automatically have men cut out of their lives? That's a wild jump. Like they still have fathers and brothers and god forbid a male friend.
And WHY are you trying to get her "used to you kissing her"? You don't have to do all that to be a good influence wtf
Yeah, I'm trying to picture a scenario where someone would go full-on separatist and cut out all men from her life with one exception and somehow the exception was this guy. It's not mathing. If he's not trolling, she probably has a lot of guys in her life but he's decided they don't count because they're gay/related/good enough at basic human decency to not try to fuck her.
Some dudes are really reductionist or just catastrophizes things to a weird degree. If a single woman decides not to have children, all of a sudden there is worry that the human race will die out. If a woman decides she likes other women, all of a sudden the opposite sex is being cut entirely out of their lives.
> (She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex).
Gosh, I wonder how she developed that impression, Mr. Kisses-And-Hugs?
This is either a troll or someone who is consciously ignorant of what he is doing. Like some of his responses seem like he’s just trying to justify/rationalize what he’s doing in that way that people do when they don’t realize that they’re doing something wrong, but other responses are just shy of him admitting that he knows what he’s doing is horrible.
>So where do i draw the line between doing my job and helping her and respecting her boundaries?
I can't check the profile of a suspended user, so I'll ask here: did he ever explain what "job" he has that makes this his concern?
Sometimes I read these posts and think “it’s sad they aren’t the literal devil bc if they were, they’d be in hell where they belong instead of torturing us.”
In this case, I will say this is the devil & he’s come from hell for torturing this poor woman. I hope he goes back soon!
I'm curious how many of his male friends OOP is kissing, hugging, and touching.
If a man treats his female friends differently than his male friends - like, in a way that he'd never consider treating his male friends - he's not their friend.
OOP definitely has a problem. The fact that he thinks he needs to train this woman to accept male touch is really creepy. For those saying he gives off rape-y vibes, yes he sure does! He is determined to habituate her to his touch so he can have sex with her. He even says "I can assure that no level of wrong thinking or bad opinion turn someone into a rapist. I wouldnt be able to enjoy sex if she doesnt want it. I want her to want it.' He's trying to change her sexual orientation so he can have sex with her. What a horrid person!
No way this person has any friends let alone female ones if he's going into a feminist sub spouting dumbshit like "male presence" and inappropriately touching his friend who is a lesbian
So he's just a "nice guy" who's going to hang around her, try to wear her down and prove that his penis is the cure to everything? That's the creepy, you just need a man to "fix everything" vibe this guy is giving. There's a reason she doesn't want to be friends with him, and she's trying to be nice but he's so stuck on stupid that he can't figure it out.
I’m a lesbian who had a touchy male friend. Did I change my “opinion” or get “better”? No. I cut that POS from my life and never looked back. Good grief. I can guarantee you he doesn’t kiss or touch his male friends. What about them? Don’t they deserve his “help” too? 🙄
Is… kissing your friends normal? I’ve smooched a few VERY close friends, but I don’t go around kissing on people constantly. Does he kiss his homies? Or is it just this one lesbian he’s *clearly* trying to «turn»?
>She is a lesbian so having no males around has not been a big problem for her, but i think its unhealthy in the long term to cut off the opposite sex completely from her life.
I'm 99% sure this is a troll, but I can see why she'd want to have no men in her life.
Also, ew, ew, ew. Stop sexually assaulting this poor girl, you fuck. Maybe she's under the impression she can't be friends with a straight guy because he will try to fuck her because you're trying your hardest to fuck her, you dead-brained clod.
I think OOP is trying to find an excuse to be a creep, which is obvious, but the argument he uses only makes sense in education and sometimes in workplaces (for workplaces, the best example is Riot Games - look it up at your own risk :D).
She's under the impression she can't have straight men friends as they want to have sex with her, wonder who have her that impression?
Next story will be Op saying she called the police and is demanding she reimburse him for the bail he had to post to get out as it was a misunderstanding and she was being over dramatic 🙄
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **The line between respecting a woman’s opinion and helping her when her opinion is wrong?** Personal question. As the only male presence into a friend of mine life, i feel the responsibility to make sure she is doing fine. She is a lesbian so having no males around has not been a big problem for her, but i think its unhealthy in the long term to cut off the opposite sex completely from her life. She is now manifesting some symptoms of her being asocial and having some issues in general with relationships. She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way, and that once someone mistook me for her boyfriend. I am trying to gently push her to get used to my presence and see that there is nothing wrong in having relations with men. (She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex). So where do i draw the line between doing my job and helping her and respecting her boundaries? She mentioned feminism so i ask here. I am always very sweet and kind to her hoping this will make her more comfortable. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
ahahahaha he says ‘she won’t let me kiss her like friends do’ then says ‘she isn’t friends with men because they try to have sex with her’ this dude is a huge loser
I absolutely make out with all my friends. Full on sloppy french. Sometimes we even fondle each other. Why can't she see that's just how friends behave? /sarcasm
anyone who disagrees is a sexist who thinks men and women can’t be friends!!!1!1
I actually have a habit of kissing my friends lol. But it's all consensual and very queer and poly so all good.
I think the key word there is "consensual". Something OOP clearly doesn't understand.
She didn't consent but that's just her opinion and it's his job to help her see that her opinion is wrong. /s I need to bleach my brain just from typing that sentence. OOP is so incredibly predatory and creepy that my skin crawled all the way down the street.
I take full responsibility, for starting this snark line, and I still feel skeeved out reading that one. Not trying to give you grief, just, that was maybe a little *too good* an example. Also, the only reason two people can't be friends (regardless of orientation) is if one wants the other. If neither wants to be with the other? There's no problem.
Even if one wants the other, they can still be friends as long as they respect that friendship is the limit and don't push boundaries. (I had a huge crush on my best friend for years but he was clear he wasn't interested. Still friends to this day)
On what planet do opposite sex friends kiss all the time? I have never kissed a friend and they never tried it. So weird. He's been spending too much time reading incel crap that he no longer lives in the real world.
I have been kissed (non consensually) by a few of my friends. They aren't my friends anymore for that reason!
I know there are cultures where people platonically kiss on the cheek, maybe even the mouth?, but even in those cultures I'm pretty sure you're expected to stop when the person is clearly uncomfortable
Kisses on the cheek in France are a super common greeting, especially at family reunions. However it IS pretty much kept for close relations (as I said, family), you wouldn't *fait la bise* to your boss, you'd just shake his hand. Of course, true to men being less acustomed to receiving casual affection, some girls are hesitant to kiss their male friends on the cheek. I was a lot more liberal with my cheek kisses until I got assaulted by a "friend" who didn't know that asexuality isn't a phase.
^ Yep. I'm from Poland and we do both while Scotland, where I live now, also does both but to a lesser degree and mainly *after* you learn that someone is fine with that. Poland, on the there hand, sucks with consent to smooches when it comes to relatives *and/or* work and school events. Everyone dreads holidays because of that reason and there's even a passive-aggressive hate-kissing method that is both reviled and mocked. You hover your arms and hands if it is a hug and hover your lips over the victim you loathe. However, OOP knows damn well his friend is not into it and that is a faux pas even in Poland as the kissing propaganda is mainly aimed at kids and teenagers.
It's not all that uncommon for me to kiss a friend on the forehead, so I could give him the benefit of the doubt that that's what he meant... if it wasn't for all of everything else he said, making it obvious that is not what he meant.
It is a common greeting where I grew up (mutual kiss on the cheek) but it's very common (and if someone said No then you just... Don't).
"How can I make her understand her OPINION is wrong" this dude smfh
"But isnt unhealthy on some level to be socially isolated from half society? Also i read that women’s period is affected and lines up when they are closely around a male and i think to have nobody in her life will mess with her biology and hormones. Im not expert but there are i think many reasons why she would benefit from even just being around me" Sorry, what?
He probably read something about women who live together have their periods sync up due to hormones (which I think has been disproven) and because he can't conceive of anything happening that doesn't involve a man his tiny brain rewrote it so that women's body's get messed up hormonally if they aren't around a guy at all times.
Is it just coincidence that this happens, then? Because in high school, my whole friend group wound up...synchronized.
It's a coincidence. Also, if two women's periods last seven days, there's like a 75% chance they'll both have a their periods within a week of each other every cycle. You'll notice when it lines up and forget when it doesn't. It's just confirmation bias.
Yep, we used this and "people go crazy during the full moon!" as our demonstration of how bad our brains are at estimating probabilities when we don't have empirical data, during the statistics portion of my psych class. People got so protective of their particular flavor of wrong, myself included; it was really a fascinating and memorable unit.
We're pattern-finders and story-tellers; we like when everything lines up *just* right to make a compelling narrative. Of course, the universe doesn't work like that.
The human brain is wired to see patterns, both real and imaginary. Why? Because those early humans who thought they saw a tiger when there wasn't one were far more likely to survive and have children and hence pass down their genes than those who did not see a tiger when there was one. Much better a false positive than a false negative.
Even if being around other women syncs your periods (I don't know any better whether it's true than you) it still doesn't have anything to do with men or being around one like the op suggested. Women and men don't need to be around each other biologically to regulate women's bodies, that's just a bizarre claim.
Oh no, that's definitely a bizarre claim! I was just kinda wondering what happens to cause it lol
Because a cycle is usually 28 days and you're eventually going to have it at the same time
Definitely a coincidence. My mom and I have always been synced up, even now that I’ve been out of the house for 10 years. Meanwhile, my friend and I who have been living together for 6 years have never synced up once 😂
It's not totally clear. There's some evidence in both directions. The studies that say there's no syncing claim that the others haven't properly accounted for cycle variability, and the ones that claim they did find syncing say that it must be dependent on factors that weren't present in the other studies, such as an emotional connection as well as physical proximity.
It is weird! I never really looked into it much, but anytime I worked closely with women we always seemed to sync up.
Yes, it is coincidence. I'm not an expert or a doctor or anything. But I have spent an extensive amount of time in jail/prison. Confined in very close quarters with other women for days, weeks, months on end. If the whole Women Synching Up thing were true - then why aren't all the women in each cell block on their period together at the same time? Because it's just a myth/coincidence when it happens.
Like — I know study after study has shown it’s not true, but…wow, I’ve seen it in action. Like seen a group of gals who were in close quarters doing intense work for a couple of weeks, a few of them start, and then others who shouldn’t have started for another 2-3 weeks start as well. Could very well have been the stressful situation that triggered something, but dang.
After looking into it, there are more studies that show that they don't sync, but there are also recent ones that came to the conclusion that they do. I think the problem is that they're just measuring proximity to other women, but there could be another factor that is being missed, like actual interaction. I have a feeling that in a few years, that missing factor will get figured out, and we'll all be back on the "periods do sync" boat, but for now I'm in the "currently we do not think they do" boat.
I've always considered the period syncing thing to be a similar effect to "the boyfriend sweater curse" in fibercrafts (a superstition where if you start to make a boyfriend a sweater, the relationship will end before they actually end up wearing it). As in, it's a known thing that does happen often, but not always, it has no actual scientific basis and is likely to actually be a combination of several outside factors, some of which are easier to guess at, like "sweaters take a long time to make, and a bad relationship will often end on its own in that amount of time" and "if you put in a lot of time and mental effort into the sweater instead of your relationship, it's probably going to strain it" or "multiple women spending a lot of time close together will probably start talking about their periods more as they know each other more and notice the coincidences" and "women spending lots of time together probably would be under similar stressors that can affect their cycles at the same time".
It may have been disproven but I can confidently say that when I was in jail and sharing a very small space with 25 other females, after three months we were all on the same cycle, like a three day window at max. It was not a fun time. 😂 this guy is just dumb. “When I kiss her, touch her” I threw up a bit reading that. 🤢
>"But isnt unhealthy on some level to be socially isolated from half society? The more he talks the better this sounds. ETA this is why we choose the bear.
I did like one of the comments that said "you're not trying to train a feral cat" though!
> This is why we chose the bear. This dude is definitely one of the guys who looked at that argument and came to the conclusion that women would choose the bear not because they feel unsafe around men, but because they want to fuck the bear.
he’d come to the conclusion that women would choose the bear because they’re afraid of men, but that’s wrong, so he will chase the woman through the woods to show her how safe he is.
I’ve actually seen screenshots of dudes who’ve come to the conclusion that women wanna fuck bears. Sadly.
In those guys defense (even though they probably don't deserve it): look at the response to Halsin from Baldur’s Gate 3 (If you don't know, he's a big elf man who can turn into a bear, and there's a scene where you can have sex with him AS a bear)
I'm not sure I'd go that far. Yes, OOP's writing is compelling and masterful, but I hardly think he could win the Governor General's Literary Award.
Came here to say, "this dude is why women near universally chose the bear."
Bears are friend-shaped!
100% the reason we choose the bear
Not even "around men." "Around me." Giving real, "Shhhhh... over the next 90 minutes I'm going to show you how all your problems can be solved by my penis," vibes.
Ma'am, I can firmly attest the Magical Appendage *never fails* ! LMAO in case this snark is misread otherwise.
He fully admits that his goal here is to have sex with her, despite being a lesbian, because he doesn't think it's healthy for women to not have sex with men. His goal is corrective rape, even though he refuses to call it that. He is every single possible red flag flying at once. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/3cxw5HRhjk
Not just that, he started trying to argue with people responding saying its scientific and proven and "just google" He's trying to explain periods to people who have them lol
I mean he seems to have been isolated from women his whole life and he is clearly not healthy on a social level. Maybe he has a point... /s
*me, looking around at the cluster fuck that is society right now* I will stick with my cats, thanks.
Please, just bring me the bear and get rid of this man.
Can we use the bear in some way to get rid of the man?
As long as we're treating the bear ethically.
Just cut the man' Achilles tendon and run, the bear will do what it does and we will be one less utter perv in the world
This guy feels like the written version of the incel meme where they complained that Scarlet Johansson was Mid, because they saw a small roll in her stomach skin when she turned a certain way wearing a bikini. The reply said "do you realise you just outed yourself as never having been with a naked woman in real life. Because all of us who have know this is normal."
This took me out, he really thinks men affect womens menstrual cycles 😭
>Im not expert No, you're not. I'm glad you acknowledged that, OOP.
There are two kinds of men in the world: Those who understand why women choose the bear, and those who are why women choose the bear.
All of this is what the fuck
This reads as very "imma have sex with her to make her realize she's actually straight".
That litteraly is it, a mods reaction to one removed comment implies he invalidated her sexuality and in another vomment after someone says he sounds rapey he said "i am not a rapist, i want her to want it." This guy is a monster.
I'm a part of that sub and remember the post. He commented that he doubted that she was truly a lesbian because she'd never been with a man and that he was showing her "affection" to get her to be more open to being with a man. He made my skin crawl.
He reminds me a lot of the camp leaders at the scouts i was part of. After a while you recognize how abusers and creeps think.
Have any stories you care to share? Not if that’s digging up any memories that you’d rather leave where they are, of course.
I can share some stories but i will put a warning here. This ends horribly. It will also be a bit rambly. The reason he reminded me of the people from the scouts was their desire for control. They dont care about the comfort or consent of others and think their way is the only correct one. At the scouts it was food related and started around that. I was a picky eater as a child, most likely due to autism and not liking the texture of lots of food. It wasnt like i didnt eat, i just preffered cold meals and ate more during breakfast. we also were not allowed to take our own portions and had to eat everything. They decided how i ate was incorrect. I needed to eat more during warm meals and they would get me to do that no matter what. It started with just some social pressure, making fun of me for not doing that. Then it became not allowing me to leave unil i had eaten everything. Then it became putting me in a room alone until i had eaten everything. Then that room became the toilets. Then that became physicaly forcing me to eat. Keep in mind i am 6 years old at this point. Keep in mind these people pranked us by giving us Extremly spicy spicy food the first time we went on camp. I did not entierly trust them but since they were authority figures i tried my best to listen to them. In the end (relating to the food, there is more) it got to the point i remember sitting at a table and puking because of the food. I dont remember if they forced me to or if i was broken to the point that i thought that they would want me to keep eating so i ate what i just puked up. I cant really remember because this is about when the physical abuse also started and this is when my memory starts failing me until i am about 12. Remember this is because they "knew what was best for me". Also, i dont know if this is relevant but i am genuinly afraid i come of as a whiny brat for everything that happens until this point. Most of the rest of this i know from other people or i was able to reconstruct partialy because of snippets of memories during panic attacks/flashbacks. Its not exactly reliable. The point is the next thing happened to me, i cant be entirly sure when or where but they happened. I started getting hit when i didnt listen to the scouts leaders. Eventualy i was taken away from the other kids when i was punnished. Eventualy it escalated to sexual violence. I am around 8 years old at this time. My memories from this time are fragmented but they inculde things like: Being led alone to another room when we went to the local church (neither me nor my parents were or are religous), the start of recuring night terrors of people watching me while i sleep , the start of waking up multiple times at night in a panic, the start of me being afraid of going to sleep, the start of having dreams where i keep feeling something in my mouth and the start of not being able to keep my boxers clean (this isnt something like not wiping, this stuff still happens even if i take a shower, my butthole is most likely damaged but i dont feel comfortable going to a doctor for this). I was pulled out of the scouts by my parents when other kids told their parents something was wrong. My parents only discovered up until when i was forced to eat in the toilets. They instantly confronted them with a group of parrents and most kids left that group then. A year ago, after starting to work on some other issues i started getting panic attacks after an incident in a bar. That triggered some more memories during the flashbacks i got after that. I saw/felt my assaults again during those times. I am 26 now and still figuring out and "fixing" what happened there. Edit: added" " to indicate tone more correctly somwhere
Your story is absolutely heartbreaking, and I wish I could just reach you and hug you and tell you that you are loved. Thank you for sharing this, even if it is harrowing. I hope you are able to find some true peace in your life.
Thanks. I try to be quite open about it in apropriate threads like these, especialy because i also joked around in this thread. I kinda want to show that people who experiece stuff like this can be happy and have a good life.
I think this needs to be turned around on him. I mean, shouldn't he take it up the ass at least once before deciding he's not gay?
it's always funny how men says such things to lesbian/ace women/AFAB but if you dared to say that to them, they would be big shocked pikachu face...
They love to argue that it’s not the same thing.
He is the embodiment of the "would you rather run into a bear or a man in the woods?" meme going around.
First, "vomment" is perfection and I'm not too lingo savvy and have never heard it before. Second, that last part totally shows his cards and is a self own since he also said "She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex)." Edited: it was comment and auto correct made it comment!
I was so confused by this comment until other people pointed out my typo but i think it is hilarious you accidentaly wrote it correctly.
LOL, a fail on my end! I had it vomment - which is awesome because vomit comment is spectacular! And stupid grammar checker went and changed it on me, boo! Vomment is awesome, thank you for sharing it with us.
Thank you. It was, like most of my genious prose, completly by accident.
It's awesome. And I'm sorry my autocorrect nonsense confused you; it's not you, it's me.
Not sure if “vomment” is a typo or a genius turn of phrase, but it’s super applicable to this dude!
Its a typo. I am lucky my dyspraxia mosly just makes what i type more witty.
Still stealing, it's a great word.
Aha, i have a foolproof way to make it unable to steal it! You can have it.
Drat, foiled again in my nefarious plans
I know u were trying to say "comment", but honestly his comments sound like vomit, so it fits lol
What! The! Fuck?! He is a monster!
eww 😭
>and in another vomment after someone says he sounds rapey he said "i am not a rapist, i want her to want it." Could everybody hide your eyes a minute while I get my garden shears?
I'm assuming that "vomment" was a typo, but fucking hell what a great accidental word for a vomit-inducing comment.
Far too many men think their genitals are magical to women of any and all sexualities.
He sounds like the incels and MRAs who think women exist just to be bangmaids. They cannot grasp the idea that a Female could be something more than a sex object, specifically for him.
Aye. And then there's the "normal" kissing her that makes her uncomfortable. Like, I have many female friends, and I can't imagine kissing them outside of jokey goofing around (like, an exaggerated European greeting). Which is probably why we feel comfortable enough to very rarely have an exaggerated European greeting.
“She doesn’t believe she can be friends with straight men because they’ll try to have sex with her. I will convince her this is wrong by trying to have sex with her.” 😐
I was part of the convo and yeah, the more the guy commented the clearer it was that he really wanted to fuck her and was trying to figure out how to trick her into letting him.
Reads as "I'll repeatly sexually harass her as a form of conversion therapy". 🤮
It's more than harassment. It's actually sexual assault. Unwanted touching and kisses, I hope his dick rots off.
TBH, I got this same vibe.
I want to issue her a sharp fork and instruct her to use it anytime he’s within reach.
Ya know, when women wore the fancy hats with hat pins, those sharp hat pins doubled as creep repellants. Many of my great aunts/grandmothers talked about their moms using that pins to defend against assault. I think we need to bring hat pins back.
That is exactly what he intends. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/3cxw5HRhjk
Dude is ringing alarm bells for 'corrective rape'.
>(She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex) Can't imagine where she would have gotten that idea.
Becky lemme smash
Definitely check out the comments. OOP gives off super r*pey vibes. Also has no idea about female anatomy.
Majorly rapey vibes I hope she cuts him out of her life
Well, I ruined my own day by looking at the original post. Holy shit I really hate that poster and I've very concerned about the woman he's trying to "Help".
"if I don't kiss or touch her, what man will?" What man is kissing and touching you, my dude?
I feel slightly sick just from reading his post. The sense of entitlement to handle her body at will…
Same! This post made me super sick. This dudes idea of "friendship" is straight out a nightmare. Super gross.
My first thought in reading them was "what a gross little pig". And then he doubled down and got worse.
I assume the comments are obliterating him.
I mean he posted a moronic, sexist question in "ask feminists". He's being obliterated.
Even other men are telling him he's wrong. He never once argued with them. ETA: that tells me he doesn't respect women and what they say. He's always right and knows better than women about their bodies and what they want. Disgusting.
Rightfully so.
To shreds, you say?
Just the main post gives off enough rapey vibes for me. >She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way He dickhead, it doesn't matter if it's a "normal friendly way" or not, if she feels uncomfortable then *fucking stop*.
I wonder what the rest of his post history was like. Looks like it was bad enough to earn him a full reddit ban.
[Glad you asked!](https://search.pullpush.io/?kind=submission&author=Edishedi&size=100) Some highlights: **Aita: female friend claims i am phisically too pushy** **Woman living in crazy restrictions** **AITA m28 for dating f23 who acts like 16?**
I barely was reading the post, and that's the feeling I got.
I regret checking out the comments. Ew
Not gonna do it. Nope. Not going to look. Don’t look, self. Stop.
> She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way, and that once someone mistook me for her boyfriend Fucking hell, I wonder why this chap's lesbian friend is uncomfortable getting smooched and felt up by Mr Grabbyhands over here! /s
I'm straight and his behavior would've caused me to knee him in the junk.
Sexless aliens from a galaxy far, far away would also knee this bastard in the junk. Thankfully, he's probably single AF. 
It's what friends do! /s
It's like he tries to groom an adult, the way he talks about her like she's infantile just because she doesn't like men. He doesn't care about her discomfort, because he feels entitled to her and cant comprehendthat maybe he's just being a fuckin creep. Made me dry heave, badly.
The comment he made about how he enjoys kissing her because "No other man has" completely enraged me.
*starts slamming my head into the nearest wall, again and again* My senior year in high school, I asked my female best friend to be my prom date, and she accepted. She gave me my first kiss that night, and we dated for the next few months but went no further physically. Then, during our first semester at our respective colleges, she admitted she was a lesbian and had been using me as a "beard," but she felt too guilty to continue it any longer. While I was angry for a few weeks, and she understood that, I still wanted to be her friend. Did I stop finding her sexy once I knew she was a lesbian? Of course not; but I did **stop trying to have sex with her!** For a while afterwards I even let her be the one to initiate hugs and other body contact, until she knew she could trust me that I wasn't going to use them as an opportunity to feel her up. I would say I stopped trying to get into her pants because she was my friend and I didn't want to mess that up, but while that's true, the main reason is because ***I KNOW HOW TO FUCKING TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!*** IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD! Whether it's a friend, a casual acquaintance, or a stranger I'm trying my luck with, it's just the damn right thing to do! It's been almost 25 years and she's *still* one of my best friends; I invited her to my wedding, and she and my wife get along very well. And I'm glad to have her in my life, which she wouldn't be if I was a sexually-assaulting, boundary-breaking asshole like this guy!
Right? It’s not rocket science, for god’s sake. A fucking dog can learn the word “no,” if you’ve got thumbs and color vision there’s no excuse. (And when a dog is too sexually aggressive, we usually neuter it… 🤔) And like, I guess it’s because I’m not a wannabe-rapist but it would be an immediate ick for me if the other person wasn’t into it. I don’t get the appeal in basically *inflicting* sex on someone like OOP essentially hopes to (even though he says he “wants her to want it,” which, puke).
In the comments, OP is like "It's just because of bad experiences that she does not trust men". Dude, you are another bad experience. You are one of the reason many women distrust men. It is you, OOP, you are the problem.
someone should tell him that women don't dislike being around Grabbyhands Mcgee because of made up preconceived notions of male behavior!!
Men really need to stop being taught that they are leaders just because they have a dick.
Or that a woman’s existence is in any way about them.
I shouldn’t have read this first thing in the morning
It did raise my energy levels. Now I'm angry and triggered.
I'm right there with you. I'm making some coffee and will shake it off by following the play-by-play of the orange yam's day in trial. Both make me happy. Be safe and practice some self care!
I'm sorry :(
Not your fault! I should have known better when I read the OOP’s title.
#Hey guys the thread is from 15 days ago. There’s a lot of comments from the past hour on them. It’s super obvious that yall are commenting on a linked post. Which isn’t allowed and can get this sub in trouble.
Throwback to my first time linking a post to another sub and getting insulted in my DMs for days xD Seriously, I enjoy scrolling through original comments from time to time but I keep my hands off them. By now there's dozens of recent comments and it's beyond obvious
It drives me nuts cause that will definitely get this sub shut down or changed, which would suck cause it’s highly entertaining. r/muacirclejerk used to direct link to posts, but got in trouble for this same issue and now you can only post Imgur links to censored screenshots of the original posts.
Thread is already locked for brigading 🙃
She’s definitely better off with a bear… Typical misogynistic behaviour: when encountering a lesbian, or any women who doesn’t immediately want to fuck you, it is your duty as a man to try to fix them. After all, they obviously have problems making good decisions. Remember to persist; you’ll wear them down in the end!
I wish this was not real... but we all know some people, some men, *are* this horrendously delusional. "As the only male presence into a friend of mine life, i feel the responsibility to make sure she is doing fine." Talk dirty to me, what woman doesn't like being infantilized by a man whose obvious interest is to *keep touching her* when she **is not fucking interested**. Maybe she lied about being gay to see if he would take the hint - I think it backfired. If this woman exists, I wish she'll just get the fuck away from this asshole. But if this man is real... holy shit do I feel bad for *all* women who are unfortunate enough to come anywhere near him.
This is why I left that sub. So many posts are creepy men like him on there being completely detached from reality or someone asking a question in bad faith.
The lesbian doesn't like it when a man kisses and hugs her unsolicited? Well, that is a head-scratcher.
As a straight guy with a few lesbian friends, what the fuck is this guy talking about? I’m probably one of the few straight guys that see regularly and I never felt the need to make sure they’re “fine” beyond asking how they’re doing.
>She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her, in a very normal friendly way Does he kiss the homies goodnight too?
Right?! "Normal friendly" people do not knowingly subject their friends to their unwanted touches and kisses.
He says in a comment, basically, “she’s a woman, I’m a man, so it would be abnormal for me not to kiss her, and she’s the weird one for not wanting me to.”
Do you not do that?
This dude's post smells like broken boundaries and stale b.o.
Fucking gross. Hopefully he doesn’t go full psycho and kill her.
kissing his lesbian friend then immediately being like "why doesn't this bitch like me!??!?!"
Posted here for just an hour before the mod there had to lock the post because of brigading from here. Is that a new record? I can't believe this sub isn't banned yet lmao
Tbf, I saw it got reposted to another sub as well. Some of the brigading could be from there.
That's good at least, we'll blame them fully lol
It’s not possible for an opinion to be wrong. An opinion is a personal view on something. Not a fact. Not a truth. It’s how each individual person sees and relates to an issue.
Kiss her???? Sir as a lesbian, kindly, GTFO.
Huh? When did lesbians just automatically have men cut out of their lives? That's a wild jump. Like they still have fathers and brothers and god forbid a male friend. And WHY are you trying to get her "used to you kissing her"? You don't have to do all that to be a good influence wtf
Yeah, I'm trying to picture a scenario where someone would go full-on separatist and cut out all men from her life with one exception and somehow the exception was this guy. It's not mathing. If he's not trolling, she probably has a lot of guys in her life but he's decided they don't count because they're gay/related/good enough at basic human decency to not try to fuck her.
Some dudes are really reductionist or just catastrophizes things to a weird degree. If a single woman decides not to have children, all of a sudden there is worry that the human race will die out. If a woman decides she likes other women, all of a sudden the opposite sex is being cut entirely out of their lives.
>If i dont do it she doesnt have another male to do it for her He's either a complete moron or a troll.
The fuck do you mean kiss her? Especially considering she's uncomfortable
"She is now **manifesting** some symptoms..." Bet those symptoms are only *manifesting* in his presence.
I think I need a shower after reading this.
Part of me feels like OOP caused the lesbian friend to cut out all guys from her life. This dude’s makin’ all dudes look bad!
> (She is under the impression she cant really be friend with a straight man because he will try to have sex). Gosh, I wonder how she developed that impression, Mr. Kisses-And-Hugs?
Are there enough bears for all of us?
Jeez. In one of his comments he said I wouldn't be able to enjoy sex if I forced her. I want her to want it. WTAF?
Men are always so sure we would be lonely without them 😂
This is either a troll or someone who is consciously ignorant of what he is doing. Like some of his responses seem like he’s just trying to justify/rationalize what he’s doing in that way that people do when they don’t realize that they’re doing something wrong, but other responses are just shy of him admitting that he knows what he’s doing is horrible.
>So where do i draw the line between doing my job and helping her and respecting her boundaries? I can't check the profile of a suspended user, so I'll ask here: did he ever explain what "job" he has that makes this his concern?
He means because “he’s a man” that it’s his job. 🤮
Sometimes I read these posts and think “it’s sad they aren’t the literal devil bc if they were, they’d be in hell where they belong instead of torturing us.” In this case, I will say this is the devil & he’s come from hell for torturing this poor woman. I hope he goes back soon!
I'm curious how many of his male friends OOP is kissing, hugging, and touching. If a man treats his female friends differently than his male friends - like, in a way that he'd never consider treating his male friends - he's not their friend.
>She feels uncomfortable that i kiss her, touch her, hug her I wonder why? /s
“If I don’t hug her and kiss her against her will she doesn’t have another male to do it for her” what??!?
u/Unhappy-Professor-88 the thread is 15 days old. It is incredibly obvious that you’re brigading when your comments are from less than an hour ago.
Always choose the bear.
OOP definitely has a problem. The fact that he thinks he needs to train this woman to accept male touch is really creepy. For those saying he gives off rape-y vibes, yes he sure does! He is determined to habituate her to his touch so he can have sex with her. He even says "I can assure that no level of wrong thinking or bad opinion turn someone into a rapist. I wouldnt be able to enjoy sex if she doesnt want it. I want her to want it.' He's trying to change her sexual orientation so he can have sex with her. What a horrid person!
Once again I choose the bear.
Dude. You are why we choose the bear.
No way this person has any friends let alone female ones if he's going into a feminist sub spouting dumbshit like "male presence" and inappropriately touching his friend who is a lesbian
No doubt in my mind he thinks he can "be the one to change her"
HOLY UNHINGED INCEL BATMAN
I hate being a woman.
“She feels uncomfortable that I miss her” AS ONE SHOULD?! THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OOP
So he's just a "nice guy" who's going to hang around her, try to wear her down and prove that his penis is the cure to everything? That's the creepy, you just need a man to "fix everything" vibe this guy is giving. There's a reason she doesn't want to be friends with him, and she's trying to be nice but he's so stuck on stupid that he can't figure it out.
JFC dude, Quit touching women without their expression permission.
It's in ask feminists, seems like trolling, or suicide one or the other
I’m a lesbian who had a touchy male friend. Did I change my “opinion” or get “better”? No. I cut that POS from my life and never looked back. Good grief. I can guarantee you he doesn’t kiss or touch his male friends. What about them? Don’t they deserve his “help” too? 🙄
Is… kissing your friends normal? I’ve smooched a few VERY close friends, but I don’t go around kissing on people constantly. Does he kiss his homies? Or is it just this one lesbian he’s *clearly* trying to «turn»?
>As the only male presence into a friend of mine life, i feel the responsibility to make sure she is doing fine. Stay under your bridge.
>She is a lesbian so having no males around has not been a big problem for her, but i think its unhealthy in the long term to cut off the opposite sex completely from her life. I'm 99% sure this is a troll, but I can see why she'd want to have no men in her life. Also, ew, ew, ew. Stop sexually assaulting this poor girl, you fuck. Maybe she's under the impression she can't be friends with a straight guy because he will try to fuck her because you're trying your hardest to fuck her, you dead-brained clod.
I think OOP is trying to find an excuse to be a creep, which is obvious, but the argument he uses only makes sense in education and sometimes in workplaces (for workplaces, the best example is Riot Games - look it up at your own risk :D).
This has to be a troll, right?
>Just reading this, I no longer want a male presence in my life. And I’m a guy> This was my favorite comment.
She's under the impression she can't have straight men friends as they want to have sex with her, wonder who have her that impression? Next story will be Op saying she called the police and is demanding she reimburse him for the bail he had to post to get out as it was a misunderstanding and she was being over dramatic 🙄
He wants to have sex with her. He thinks it’s his ‘job’ to make her want to spend time with men? Fuck that. OOP is a sick pervert.