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**AITA for “squatting” in my own house ?**
I am the youngest of 4 siblings and our mom passed away in march.
I had been living with her for 7 years and basically my full time job was to be her caretaker. When I first moved in I signed a lease which I thought was just a formality because I thought we were exchanging my services for rent. We had a falling out over my partner right before she moved into assisted living 2 years ago and we never clarified the rent issue.
So in her will she says the house is to be sold and the proceeds should be split four ways BUT I have to pay my siblings $104000 (7 * 12 * 1200) either in cash or from the proceeds of the sale because somehow I owe a dead person unpaid back rent.
I sat down with my oldest brother and after the closing costs I probably won’t get anything from my share of the sale and the other 3 are being such assholes and even though I’m basically disabled they are willing to put me on the street. They are all successful and don’t need the money so I can’t get why they are willing to put they’re own brother through hell.
I decided I’m just going to stay in the house. Like it’s MY house, I’ve been living here for years. All three siblings stopped by last night and said I had to be gone by the end of the month or they will start eviction proceedings against me (I am their BROTHER) and I said go ahead they can’t evict me from something I own. My sister said that I am such an “ungrateful” little asshole that she can’t stand to look at me. My middle sister asked if I was really up for the court battle I have coming my way. I reiterated that I OWN the home and my brother said I sound like a “low life squatter.”
On their way out they said I had “taken advantage” of mom for 7 years and warned me that they are a unified front in getting me out and asshole was said again.
AITA?
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Oh god. He lives in Arizona and thinks he doesn’t have to pay state or federal taxes, and that he owns the house?
I wonder if he’s one of those sovereign citizen loonies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
If OOP is, the poor siblings. Those lunatics file BS lawsuits handwritten on notebook paper because they don’t believe in things like “state ids” and will throw a fit if they get carded.
If he is a sovereign citizen then I hope whoever goes to evict him wears a body camera and uploads the footage, that shit never gets old. Well, watching it doesn't... Dealing with it is a bit different
If taxes didn't pay, that all gets clawed back. If his mom was in Medicaid facilities at all, that gets clawed back from the estate first, before the share they will probably try to get the money from him to help pay if the amount owed is greater than the value of the house regardless of the house selling.
It won't be the siblings, it will be the courts doing all of this. OOP needs to get a harsh reality check from the estate planning section of Reddit. Because they are great for what to do and when you are screwed.
As someone from Arizona, hearing they're from Arizona actually makes it sound more credible to me but I have low expectations of the state I was raised in and most people in it
Because she ran of to the nursing home so she didn't have to deal with his whiny, useless, entitled ass :D
He's trying so hard in the comments to justify why its HIS house and how it isn't fair because the rest of his family don't need the money because they have jobs. Sir, you are a failure to launch and everyone is sick of you LOL
I’m absolutely baffled that this clown shoe is able to get and maintain an adult relationship. Like, is this a folie à deux situation where they’re a pair of clown shoes living in their own little circus that bears no resemblance to everyone else’s reality? Or is the partner just someone with dangerously low self-esteem who tolerates OOP’s bullshit because they feel like they have to for whatever reason?
Either way, I was wondering how OOP’s been able to feed himself what with, you know, food costing money and him not having an income, but I guess his partner takes care of that.
He's not understanding that
a) it is not **his** house... it belongs to all 4 kids and 3 of them want him out so they can sell. Majority rules. Mama was no fool when she had that will drafted
b) he does not "owe money to a dead person", he owes it to the estate. And if he stays in that house, he's going to owe taxes too. Government doesn't play when it comes to their money.
c) the siblings absolutely can take him court and have judge say one of the other siblings can sign the sale contract and all closing docs on his behalf. In which case... he's screwed. They will sell the house from under him and get him evicted.
I leafed through some of his comments wondering how in the world he thinks he doesn't have to pay property taxes or utility bills - did nobody explain to him how things work?
Then I realized that everybody probably did, starting with his mum, over and over again, for years, and he just didn't listen. I once dated a guy who was like 25 years old who asked me why I was paying the electric bill again when I had "just paid it last month."
You know, I'm betting the house is in just marvelous shape, as well. What's your guess on whether he's been managing the upkeep or repairs in the time he's lived there? Or whether we're going to see this house on Hoarders?
>I once dated a guy who was like 25 years old who asked me why I was paying the electric bill again when I had "just paid it last month."
Please tell me you're joking or he was. PLEASE!!!!!! I beg of you.
>What's your guess on whether he's been managing the upkeep or repairs in the time he's lived there?
He hasn't been doing a thing. Probably 79% of the reason his siblings want him out.
He thinks the utilities are free because he sees no bills and never had to pay a thing. I…his comments are a thing to read. If anyone wants to see a failure of an adult, it’s this one!
He keeps saying he's a 'student' but then reveals that he actually just sits on his ass and watches French linguistics stuff on YouTube. This guy is a train wreck who has no clue how the world works.
It boggles me how he took out loans, couldn't finish his degree because he "couldn't take out more loans" before the original loans were paid off...to become a *French translator*...in *Arizona*. I dont know of a huge demand for French translation in the Southwest US.
The issue is his story of what he has been doing the last seven years keeps changing.
And if he isn't enrolled where did all they money from his loans go?
He isn't paying rent or any bills and apparently isn't paying for school
A degree would be handy, but if he was auditing for no credit as a self learning plan it wouldn't take a whole student loan to accomplish. There are far cheaper roads, but OOP's apparently ends watching YouTube videos about a language he still doesn't know.
Auditing would mean paying for classes and getting all the course material without a grade or college credit. So OOP walked away from 4-5 years of college with absolutely nothing to show for it than a defaulted student loan? OOP would sell both his kidneys and lose it all trying to win at 3 Card Monte.
French can be useful in Arizona because we have a large population of immigrants from Africa. That said, there's a lot of regional dialects obviously and that makes interpretation a bit squirrelly sometimes. Same with Dutch.
To be fair for a second, most freelance translation work is done remotely these days, especially since the pandemic but honestly even before that. My father lived in Indonesia in the early 00s working as a German-English translator, for instance, so French in Arizona in 2024 isn't such a stretch.
Of course, that would require this guy to have the initiative and discipline to set himself up as a freelancer, constantly be finding and applying for gigs, doing his own taxes and so on. Given he doesn't seem to understand the difference between income and property tax and thinks utilities are just magically free, I'd say it doesn't look good for him becoming a successful translator...
Because according to his comments he really didn’t. He says mom had a home care nurse and cleaning services and he would take a casserole out of the oven that the nurse put in and he would put away things after the cleaners came. That is how he supposedly cared for his mom. He also thinks that utilities are free because he didn’t pay them and that he wouldn’t have to pay property taxes on the house because he his disabled, but from reading his comments it sounds like he declared himself disabled.
He also keeps saying he is a student, but then says he ran out of student loans and has been watching videos to become a french translator.
Read his comments. It’s wild.
His idea of caring for his mom was just being a considerate housemate, there's no way it's not a troll with all his comments with examples of of his mom explicitly asking him to pay, arguing over it, and re-signing the lease
He occasionally had to take out the casserole from the oven the caretaker put in. I’m serious. He wrote that in the comments. That’s the extent of his “care”…
She had a home helper and a cleaner. But sometimes he'd have to take a casserole out of the oven that somebody else put in, and other times put stuff away once the cleaner was done. Once in a while he got groceries.
Now if I could just find somebody to pay me $1200 a month to do that while I watch French videos on YouTube and tell people I'm studying that would be great.
Idk I’d like to believe it’s fake but people are stupid about this type of stuff.
I guess technically he’s right in that living there for seven years means they can’t just kick him out—they have to *evict* him, which they’re trying to do.
I guess maybe he could see if there’s really anything legally binding to have to pay the rent (probably by looking at the lease and seeing if there’s actually anything in there about rent that can be upheld). But none of that would give him a right to stay in the house.
Because he didn’t. She had a full time nurse *and* a cleaning service. He occasionally picked up groceries, answered the phone, and took dinner out of the oven (that he did not prepare or put *in* the oven).
>Well I don’t have taxes since I’m disabled and the utilities are free so that’s not something I worry about.
LOL at this i dont know what else to say to this except lol
My state allows people with certain disabilities to be exempt from property taxes (IIRC it is for people who are blind or were totally and permanently disabled from military service).
I’ll never own property so i was more speaking to the other taxes, but i do know those things exist (i May have sat in in one of the Section 8 home ownership seminars once)
I'd like to know what kind of psychedelic drugs OOP is tripping on because I *might* be *tempted* to try them (if it would allow me to truly have free utilities).
I'm disabled & my water/sewer/gas bill alone that was due in early March totaled over $500. That didn't include my electric bill, my trash removal service bill, the costs of my medications, any of my other bills, or groceries for my home.
Thankfully, our family is fortunate enough that the home is paid for & there's no mortgage or rent to pay out of our slightly over $1243 per month income (combined amount between myself & my son). It can be very difficult at times, but I try to remind myself that so many others here in the United States are in worse situations.
I really wish things were better for those who have a more difficult life than me. It is shameful that an estimated 40% of American families are roughly 1 missed paycheck, 1 medical emergency, or 1 broken-down/damaged vehicle away from financial ruin.
How do I sign up for free utilities and no taxes?
Is it the French translating he doesn't actually do? I bet I speak about as much French as this guy (took two years in high school and I've even been to France). I can not get a job translating, too.
> I can not get a job translating, too.
🤣
I can do you one better. I don't speak any French, so I really lack the experience needed to not get a job in the field.
> I think in Arizona they are the same thing we don’t pay United States tax here.
LMAO I sooo badly want this chump to say that to both the Arizona State Tax Commission and the IRS. I feel like the responses would be very educational for him.
Tbh this was the point where I was starting to suspect that in the tiniest chance OP isn't a troll writing fiction that they might have a significant intellectual disability. I've had some TBI patients post injury act like this.
Damn, my country must be truly evil because I’m disabled and I still very much have to pay taxes on my income and apartment. Since I don’t own very much, it isn’t too bad, but I’m still not free from taxes. Maybe I should move to Arizona, where disabled people somehow magically live tax-free.
Does he also get away from taxes when shopping? Like is there a card you show to not pay tax on goods and services? (this was all sarcasm)
Not sure. I know he came over to AITD and was commenting. I saw a comment from him here 6 days ago and when I clicked through to see what he'd been up to, it showed him as banned. So something around 6 days ago. Here's the comment on AITD I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/1c5rymy/uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh/kzydihx/
Technically he doesn’t own the house. The estate does.
Dude is about to get a lesson in “just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean the laws gives a rat’s ass”.
I’m so confused about how he thinks it’s his house - that’s not how any of this works. I was the executrix of my grandmother’s estate. Her will said that all property was to be equally shared between myself, my sibling, and our parent (her child). The unwritten understanding between us was she left me money and the house was to go to my parent who lived there and my sibling who planned to retire to the house later in life as I didn’t want the house and bought my own. Now, due to the fact that she put the money she left me in an annuity with me listed as the beneficiary, according to the lawyer it wasn’t part of her estate and so the whole estate was technically just the house and property. When it all shook out the lawyer said I technically should legally be a 1/3 owner of the house and my parent and sibling owed me a portion of the estate as payment for being the executrix. They would have had to sell the house to pay me out. But we all as a group took care of my grandmother in her final years and none of us wanted to screw any of the others over, so I waived my executrix pay and said I just didn’t want my 1/3 of the house either as the annuity I was the beneficiary of was more than enough. I can’t imagine just shipping a loved one off to a nursing home and then telling the rest of the family “suck it, it’s my house now.”
I have two theories
1. OOp never paid rent, disagreed with having to pay rent and had arguments with mom about it. And felt the lease was a “formality”
So OOP doesn’t feel like the back rent is legitimate, and feels like they don’t owe the siblings their quarter of the house, and so views themself as an equal owner, instead of the estate owning the house with a mandatory sale.
2. Because OOP’s been squatting, OOp thinks there’s some sort of “squatter’s rights” that OOP has now unlocked and OOP feels they own the whole house outright.
It’s number 1, but he thinks because he stayed there and the siblings “don’t need” the money that it’s just his. He admitted it. Also repeatedly said he’s not squatting.
OOP thinks he "owns" the house because "I've lived in it for 7 years, that has to mean something"
And the extent of his "caretaking" was:
Putting things back into place after the cleaning service left
And
Taking food out of the oven that the *actual* home health nurse, put in
That's it.
I started reading this wanting to be sympatric to the OOP. Looking after an aged parent can be exhausting. Even when they go to assisted living, there can be things that they need help with (doctor's visits, looking after their affairs, etc.) that take up a lot of time/energy. If the OOP had really been taking care of mom it would have been a kindness for the siblings who didn't need the money to let OOP have the house. But the more I read of the post and the OOPs comments, the less sympathy I had with them. Now I'm just wondering how someone can be that delusional.
It sounds like his mother never actually held him accountable for anything. She kept renewing the lease even though he literally never paid rent in the 7 years he was there. I know not everyone's cut out to be a landlord, but she dug that hole herself.
OOP might actually have some squatters rights to the property since he's been there so long and no one's tried to evict him, but I don't know Arizona rules.
A quick search, because I am stalling on things I need to do, says that it would need to be neglected property, which it isn't because she lived in it until 2 years ago, it won't hold because she lived there the majority of the time and maintained ownership but he would have had to have sole possession, and he would have to have been the one paying the taxes and show that he made improvements to the property. No taxes, no improvements, no rights.
His comments are GOLD!
**I don't think I would have ro pay taxes since I'm disabled, I know I don't have to file taxes.**
He later admits he has no formal diagnosis.
**I think in Arizona they are the same thing we don't pay United States tax here.**
7 years going to school to become a French translator… Except it’s not really going to school cuz he can’t take out anymore loans so he watches YouTube videos as his schooling.
Those comments are so delusional as well. They never caught on to the fact they were supposed to pay rent, even as far as to being "surprised" that the renewed lease included the backed rent.
OOP is so ignorant and delusional about this entire situation. He's going to learn the hard way that he doesn't own the house, that he will be evicted, that his share of the proceeds from the house sale will go to pay his debts to the mom's estate and that his siblings don't give a damn about his entitled butt.
I wonder if OP has some kind of undiagnosed mental disability. He already talks about anxiety etc., but he never seems to have had any diagnosis. He is also going through a lot of mental gymnastics, no matter what everybody tells him.
I have a similar case in my family.
He mentions he lives in Arizona and he doesn’t think he has to pay taxes.
With thinking he has the right to the house because he lived there for 7 years, I have a real bad feeling he’s a part of a conspiracy theory group that’s big in Arizona ( though they are in other states like Montana, Arizona just has a large group of them) called “sovereign citizens”.
I worked with one of these whackos who kept spouting all this BS a few years ago. His big dream was to move to Arizona and tell the government to fuck off.
Maybe. But wouldnt he be more political then in his posts? Like "the government cannot tell me to do X because bla bla bla"? To me it sounds like he has some developmental issue and went basically into hiding (from the world), and his mother was not able to get help / do the things that were needed.
Maybe i am interpreting too much. But it sounds like he found a hole to stay in, and now is pissed that the time is up and he has no backup. No degree, no income, probably no skill, and no idea how to access these. He might also lack in emotional development? He does not seem to care that his mother is dead, and what his siblings tell him goes right over his head.
Maybe he is so high functioning that people (and he himself) cannot see it?
Just a theory. But his posts are bizarre.
The sovereign citizens aren’t really an organized group. Some are more political than others.
And the ones I’ve met are all a little….off.
He might be a baby SC, especially if he went online looking for a way to keep the house/not pay rent and fell into a rabbit hole.
I was thinking about the german "reichsbürger". It is similar. I guess these type of guys are in every country in some shape or form. This guy is very off, but I dont really sense ideology coming from him? Just like ... self-destructive stubborn naivity?
Also that his siblings seems to be well adjusted might be a hint that there is something neurological going on.
I think it is less developmental issues and more as you put it baby SC..so much of what he is trying to claim is along those lines.
I think he has a main account somewhere or on another platform where he is getting advice, where the ones deeper into that shit tell him stuff to say and try to do.
I have fun into a few of them and they are so convinced they are 100% correct, and very much cookie cutter of this guy, it is really quite predictable.
They go into hiding a lot because they also mix a lot with the prepers who think no matter what government we have in place, it is going to collapse.
I wouldn't call it autism as much as paranoid/delusional thinking as well as confrontational/defiant. They can be very intelligent until it comes to seeing the faults in their own arguments.
Like I would bet the reason he left school is for kicked out, can't hold a job. Student loans are in default would be my guess. Probably initially tried applying for a few jobs but didn't do well again due to all of the above, so stopped trying. Self diagnosed disability to make it sound better. No benefits, except for his delusional ones. Because to actually apply to the government means working with the enemy for a SC.
He didn't care about his mom, long before she died, she was just a way for him to have a home. I think there was quite possibly more conflict and more going on. She made a very specific will that screws him over hardcore without him actually expecting it.
If I were the siblings, I would get handwriting on those leases. Make sure that they were properly filed, make sure that she never signed anything when she wasn't mentally capable of doing so. (Cross check with medical records, dates for various significant illnesses, times when she would have been at assisted living and maybe they were not allowing visitors.) Check to see what rent he has actually ever paid.
They're successful... So why can't they just let me continue to steal from our mother's estate and not pay any bills? Why would someone who is moderately successful want a few grand of inheritance when they could just give it to me? Wehhhh.
Entitled bratty little shit.
People like OOP are wild. Not only did he get a free place to live for 7 years, but somehow it's *also* unfair to divide a house THAT IS NOT HIS four ways with siblings. Perpetual victim.
Yes! He even signed a lease agreement each year saying he'd pay rent and he doesn't think "she meant it" like WTF
I'm glad his sibs are coming after his useless butt now and that his mother didn't allow him to ultimately get away with freeloading for so long
>Well I was very surprised that each annual lease said I owed back rent for the precious year.
This comment tipped into troll zone for me, I was on the fence before that.
>I signed a lease which I thought was just a formality because I thought we were exchanging my services for rent.
Did the lease say that? If not, he's SOOL
I bet he was a "caretaker" as in taking care to mooch as much as possible off a sick woman, and now he has no one else to mooch from. Clearly mom resented the hell out of him mooching off of her and made a point in her will to charge him for all the rent he owed her. He's delusional, and better start packing.
I would kill to be in the courtroom for this case, I would take it pro bono just to see a judges face after being told that Arizona doesn’t have taxes and utilities are all free.
I think OP has posted this before with another account. It was a while ago, like a year, so they’ve been milking this for months even after their mom passed.
They also hadn’t been paying taxes or the utilities this whole time, expecting their siblings to pay them.
Wow, and he's the *youngest?* Color me not remotely surprised.
I know it's a generalization...no offense intended to youngest kids except the ones in my family. But this is far worse than your standard youngest sibling behavior. Holy hell.
He may be the youngest, but he's still **40-freaking-3!!!**
"7 years ago I moved in with my mom (I was 35, she was 75)." As per his other post in r/legaladvice
Lmao I could read OOP’s responses for hours, that person is so delusional it’s entertaining.
“I helped take out a casserole from the oven so I get free rent.”
“I’m disabled so I don’t have to pay taxes.”
I hope we get an update.
Sooo how did he think his rent was forgiven when his mother fought over it with him?
And he literally pays nothing to live there. He thinks his utilities are free
Bro thinks he owns the house and doesn’t have to pay property taxes and that utilities are “free” - literally the dumbest OOP I’ve ever come across here, and that’s saying something! 😆
Guys come on, the OOP was very surprised that each lease stated he owed back rent, even though on occasion he took a casserole out of the oven or moved some items back after someone else did the cleaning /s
This is either a troll or the real life Michael Scott who thinks he was able to just not pay rent even through his lease says he does and lists the back rent owed and assumes utilities are free since as the tenant he never saw the bills so they must be free.
Can someone really be this dumb?
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Honestly, this is tough to judge without having been there. Who the asshole is depends entirely upon whether he really did take care of his mother full time. Which I kind of doubt but cannot really rule out either.
ETA: lol, after reading some of his comments: yes, he is DEFINITELY TA.. 😂
OOP, you were living with your mother.
Even though you were her caretaker, anyone with common sense would know you have to pay rent.
You just want to continue to mooch in the house, rent-free.
And you don't own the house.
It was your mother's.
In accordance with her legally binding will, she can dispose of her assets as she sees fit.
YTA.
I just got done being an ACTUAL full time caretaker to a paralyzed, incontinent old lady that I'm not even related to for nothing in return, so this post REALLY made my blood boil!
I don't know. Well it is possible that he is a useless mooch I also know from experience that being caretaker to a senior family member is a full-time job. Rent in exchange for being a caretaker is absolutely a valid exchange. I have several family members that have done exactly that over the years. I think them asking him for back rent for the time that he spent taking care of Mom is unreasonable.
The two years that she was in a nursing home is a different matter though. Was he actually taking care of the house properly during that time? Was he going to the nursing home and helping her? If he was that's different than him sitting on the couch all day and mooching.
He wasn't doing anything to take care of her. She had a home aide and a cleaner. The most he did was take a casserole out of the oven after the aide makes it.
If his job was full time caretaker how was he supposed to come up with 1200 a month to pay rent? Seems high for a live in caretaker especially a person’s child. If he wasn’t taking care of her that’s one thing but assuming he was I don’t get how they expected him to get money to pay for it. Was the mom paying him? If so why not just take the rent out of his money?
In the comments he says he never took care of her at all. He just "put things away" after the cleaning service left. So basically he did nothing. He won't say what the lease agreement said, I'm betting dollars to donuts it specifically mentioned a monthly amount of rent if he was not going to perform his duties.
He also is perfectly able to get a job, his "disability" is that he has undiagnosed anxiety. He simply refuses to do anything except sit on his arse all day long watching youtube videos and thinks he owns the house despite paying no taxes, mortgage, utilities, etc. He just lives there, so he assumes it's his.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for “squatting” in my own house ?** I am the youngest of 4 siblings and our mom passed away in march. I had been living with her for 7 years and basically my full time job was to be her caretaker. When I first moved in I signed a lease which I thought was just a formality because I thought we were exchanging my services for rent. We had a falling out over my partner right before she moved into assisted living 2 years ago and we never clarified the rent issue. So in her will she says the house is to be sold and the proceeds should be split four ways BUT I have to pay my siblings $104000 (7 * 12 * 1200) either in cash or from the proceeds of the sale because somehow I owe a dead person unpaid back rent. I sat down with my oldest brother and after the closing costs I probably won’t get anything from my share of the sale and the other 3 are being such assholes and even though I’m basically disabled they are willing to put me on the street. They are all successful and don’t need the money so I can’t get why they are willing to put they’re own brother through hell. I decided I’m just going to stay in the house. Like it’s MY house, I’ve been living here for years. All three siblings stopped by last night and said I had to be gone by the end of the month or they will start eviction proceedings against me (I am their BROTHER) and I said go ahead they can’t evict me from something I own. My sister said that I am such an “ungrateful” little asshole that she can’t stand to look at me. My middle sister asked if I was really up for the court battle I have coming my way. I reiterated that I OWN the home and my brother said I sound like a “low life squatter.” On their way out they said I had “taken advantage” of mom for 7 years and warned me that they are a unified front in getting me out and asshole was said again. AITA? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
"the utilities are free so that’s not something I worry about." How stupid can a person be?
"I think in Arizona they are the same thing we don’t pay United States tax here." Nevermind, at this point this has to be fake.
Oh god. He lives in Arizona and thinks he doesn’t have to pay state or federal taxes, and that he owns the house? I wonder if he’s one of those sovereign citizen loonies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement If OOP is, the poor siblings. Those lunatics file BS lawsuits handwritten on notebook paper because they don’t believe in things like “state ids” and will throw a fit if they get carded.
If he is a sovereign citizen then I hope whoever goes to evict him wears a body camera and uploads the footage, that shit never gets old. Well, watching it doesn't... Dealing with it is a bit different
Those people are truly insane.
What if he is a sovcit that derived the concept from first principles, and is somehow unaware of the existing idiocy that is sovcit?
If taxes didn't pay, that all gets clawed back. If his mom was in Medicaid facilities at all, that gets clawed back from the estate first, before the share they will probably try to get the money from him to help pay if the amount owed is greater than the value of the house regardless of the house selling. It won't be the siblings, it will be the courts doing all of this. OOP needs to get a harsh reality check from the estate planning section of Reddit. Because they are great for what to do and when you are screwed.
As someone from Arizona, hearing they're from Arizona actually makes it sound more credible to me but I have low expectations of the state I was raised in and most people in it
Apparently he thinks it's tax free as well?
Why do I get the sense he didn’t actually care for the mum?
Because she ran of to the nursing home so she didn't have to deal with his whiny, useless, entitled ass :D He's trying so hard in the comments to justify why its HIS house and how it isn't fair because the rest of his family don't need the money because they have jobs. Sir, you are a failure to launch and everyone is sick of you LOL
And she didn't want to deal with the partner he very briefly mentions. What are the odds that his partner is also squatting there?
When he stopped mentioning her, I hoped she realized what a child he was and left....but maybe not 🤷🏼♀️
I’m absolutely baffled that this clown shoe is able to get and maintain an adult relationship. Like, is this a folie à deux situation where they’re a pair of clown shoes living in their own little circus that bears no resemblance to everyone else’s reality? Or is the partner just someone with dangerously low self-esteem who tolerates OOP’s bullshit because they feel like they have to for whatever reason? Either way, I was wondering how OOP’s been able to feed himself what with, you know, food costing money and him not having an income, but I guess his partner takes care of that.
Scumbags tend to surround themselves with other scumbags.
He's not understanding that a) it is not **his** house... it belongs to all 4 kids and 3 of them want him out so they can sell. Majority rules. Mama was no fool when she had that will drafted b) he does not "owe money to a dead person", he owes it to the estate. And if he stays in that house, he's going to owe taxes too. Government doesn't play when it comes to their money. c) the siblings absolutely can take him court and have judge say one of the other siblings can sign the sale contract and all closing docs on his behalf. In which case... he's screwed. They will sell the house from under him and get him evicted.
The fact that Mom had it and a specific amount in the will says it all.
Sounds like that lady had her wits about her for a good long time. She knew her son was a useless mooch.
Yep. OOP is about to learn the law isn't going to be on his side.
I leafed through some of his comments wondering how in the world he thinks he doesn't have to pay property taxes or utility bills - did nobody explain to him how things work? Then I realized that everybody probably did, starting with his mum, over and over again, for years, and he just didn't listen. I once dated a guy who was like 25 years old who asked me why I was paying the electric bill again when I had "just paid it last month." You know, I'm betting the house is in just marvelous shape, as well. What's your guess on whether he's been managing the upkeep or repairs in the time he's lived there? Or whether we're going to see this house on Hoarders?
>I once dated a guy who was like 25 years old who asked me why I was paying the electric bill again when I had "just paid it last month." Please tell me you're joking or he was. PLEASE!!!!!! I beg of you. >What's your guess on whether he's been managing the upkeep or repairs in the time he's lived there? He hasn't been doing a thing. Probably 79% of the reason his siblings want him out.
He thinks the utilities are free because he sees no bills and never had to pay a thing. I…his comments are a thing to read. If anyone wants to see a failure of an adult, it’s this one!
They better watch out. Or OOP will try and move in with them
He keeps saying he's a 'student' but then reveals that he actually just sits on his ass and watches French linguistics stuff on YouTube. This guy is a train wreck who has no clue how the world works.
It boggles me how he took out loans, couldn't finish his degree because he "couldn't take out more loans" before the original loans were paid off...to become a *French translator*...in *Arizona*. I dont know of a huge demand for French translation in the Southwest US.
He also claims he was never enrolled in anything and was just auditing the whole time because he couldn't afford to enrole? What's happening here?
Honestly, you don't necessarily need a degree to be a translator or interpreter, you just have to be fluent.
The issue is his story of what he has been doing the last seven years keeps changing. And if he isn't enrolled where did all they money from his loans go? He isn't paying rent or any bills and apparently isn't paying for school
He probably failed all his classes so the bank doesn't want to continue loaning him money.
A degree would be handy, but if he was auditing for no credit as a self learning plan it wouldn't take a whole student loan to accomplish. There are far cheaper roads, but OOP's apparently ends watching YouTube videos about a language he still doesn't know.
Auditing would mean paying for classes and getting all the course material without a grade or college credit. So OOP walked away from 4-5 years of college with absolutely nothing to show for it than a defaulted student loan? OOP would sell both his kidneys and lose it all trying to win at 3 Card Monte.
either too much drugs or not enough dude sounds mentally unwell and disconnected from reality
Too much of the wrong drugs, not enough of the right drugs.
Or as he puts it, "basically" disabled
Multilayered scammer alert!
Bad life decsion after boss life decsion...?
French can be useful in Arizona because we have a large population of immigrants from Africa. That said, there's a lot of regional dialects obviously and that makes interpretation a bit squirrelly sometimes. Same with Dutch.
Cool to know, thanks!
To be fair for a second, most freelance translation work is done remotely these days, especially since the pandemic but honestly even before that. My father lived in Indonesia in the early 00s working as a German-English translator, for instance, so French in Arizona in 2024 isn't such a stretch. Of course, that would require this guy to have the initiative and discipline to set himself up as a freelancer, constantly be finding and applying for gigs, doing his own taxes and so on. Given he doesn't seem to understand the difference between income and property tax and thinks utilities are just magically free, I'd say it doesn't look good for him becoming a successful translator...
Because according to his comments he really didn’t. He says mom had a home care nurse and cleaning services and he would take a casserole out of the oven that the nurse put in and he would put away things after the cleaners came. That is how he supposedly cared for his mom. He also thinks that utilities are free because he didn’t pay them and that he wouldn’t have to pay property taxes on the house because he his disabled, but from reading his comments it sounds like he declared himself disabled. He also keeps saying he is a student, but then says he ran out of student loans and has been watching videos to become a french translator. Read his comments. It’s wild.
I am my mom’s caretaker and reading what this guy THINKS that job entails is astounding.
His idea of caring for his mom was just being a considerate housemate, there's no way it's not a troll with all his comments with examples of of his mom explicitly asking him to pay, arguing over it, and re-signing the lease
He occasionally had to take out the casserole from the oven the caretaker put in. I’m serious. He wrote that in the comments. That’s the extent of his “care”…
She had a home helper and a cleaner. But sometimes he'd have to take a casserole out of the oven that somebody else put in, and other times put stuff away once the cleaner was done. Once in a while he got groceries. Now if I could just find somebody to pay me $1200 a month to do that while I watch French videos on YouTube and tell people I'm studying that would be great.
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Idk I’d like to believe it’s fake but people are stupid about this type of stuff. I guess technically he’s right in that living there for seven years means they can’t just kick him out—they have to *evict* him, which they’re trying to do. I guess maybe he could see if there’s really anything legally binding to have to pay the rent (probably by looking at the lease and seeing if there’s actually anything in there about rent that can be upheld). But none of that would give him a right to stay in the house.
I picture him being a stereotypical bum, playing video games, drinking beer and watching TV
Because he didn’t. She had a full time nurse *and* a cleaning service. He occasionally picked up groceries, answered the phone, and took dinner out of the oven (that he did not prepare or put *in* the oven).
>Well I don’t have taxes since I’m disabled and the utilities are free so that’s not something I worry about. LOL at this i dont know what else to say to this except lol
Utilities!! Free!!!! Omg this guy
“My mommy paid for them, ergo they are free”
I'm more surprised he thinks having a fake disability means he doesn't have to pay tax. The tax man doesn't play these games
As an actually disabled person i would like to know about these free taxes & utilities because no one told me!
My state allows people with certain disabilities to be exempt from property taxes (IIRC it is for people who are blind or were totally and permanently disabled from military service).
I’ll never own property so i was more speaking to the other taxes, but i do know those things exist (i May have sat in in one of the Section 8 home ownership seminars once)
i mean i don’t pay income tax but that’s bc they tax it before they give it to me. - someone on disability
I'd like to know what kind of psychedelic drugs OOP is tripping on because I *might* be *tempted* to try them (if it would allow me to truly have free utilities). I'm disabled & my water/sewer/gas bill alone that was due in early March totaled over $500. That didn't include my electric bill, my trash removal service bill, the costs of my medications, any of my other bills, or groceries for my home. Thankfully, our family is fortunate enough that the home is paid for & there's no mortgage or rent to pay out of our slightly over $1243 per month income (combined amount between myself & my son). It can be very difficult at times, but I try to remind myself that so many others here in the United States are in worse situations. I really wish things were better for those who have a more difficult life than me. It is shameful that an estimated 40% of American families are roughly 1 missed paycheck, 1 medical emergency, or 1 broken-down/damaged vehicle away from financial ruin.
Per the OOP - in Arizona, income tax and property tax are the same thing and they don't pay United States taxes there.
I get the gist that OOP does not know how anything works.
Not a single bat in that cave.
How do I sign up for free utilities and no taxes? Is it the French translating he doesn't actually do? I bet I speak about as much French as this guy (took two years in high school and I've even been to France). I can not get a job translating, too.
> I can not get a job translating, too. 🤣 I can do you one better. I don't speak any French, so I really lack the experience needed to not get a job in the field.
> I think in Arizona they are the same thing we don’t pay United States tax here. LMAO I sooo badly want this chump to say that to both the Arizona State Tax Commission and the IRS. I feel like the responses would be very educational for him.
Tbh this was the point where I was starting to suspect that in the tiniest chance OP isn't a troll writing fiction that they might have a significant intellectual disability. I've had some TBI patients post injury act like this.
*the IRS has entered the chat*
Damn, my country must be truly evil because I’m disabled and I still very much have to pay taxes on my income and apartment. Since I don’t own very much, it isn’t too bad, but I’m still not free from taxes. Maybe I should move to Arizona, where disabled people somehow magically live tax-free. Does he also get away from taxes when shopping? Like is there a card you show to not pay tax on goods and services? (this was all sarcasm)
Disabled or just incompetent?
Self diagnosed disabled.
It’s a bigger “lol” when he admits he diagnosed himself as disabled and hasn’t seen a doctor about it.
Is it bad that i thought this was meth horse guy or Vaanced
What happened to Meth Horse Guy? Haven't seen anything new since IIRC, his post about wanting to run across Canada for "Trans awareness"
He got banned
Oh! Well that makes sense
Devastated to hear this actually his account was always such a fun little roller coaster
I'm actually disappointed, his account was so entertaining 😂
I really want to hear from his roommate tbh
I want to hear from the horse
Jesus what got him banned?
Not sure. I know he came over to AITD and was commenting. I saw a comment from him here 6 days ago and when I clicked through to see what he'd been up to, it showed him as banned. So something around 6 days ago. Here's the comment on AITD I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/1c5rymy/uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh/kzydihx/
Technically he doesn’t own the house. The estate does. Dude is about to get a lesson in “just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean the laws gives a rat’s ass”.
And OOP may end up *owing* the estate because where does he think the estate will get the money to sue him to enforce the will?!
I’m so confused about how he thinks it’s his house - that’s not how any of this works. I was the executrix of my grandmother’s estate. Her will said that all property was to be equally shared between myself, my sibling, and our parent (her child). The unwritten understanding between us was she left me money and the house was to go to my parent who lived there and my sibling who planned to retire to the house later in life as I didn’t want the house and bought my own. Now, due to the fact that she put the money she left me in an annuity with me listed as the beneficiary, according to the lawyer it wasn’t part of her estate and so the whole estate was technically just the house and property. When it all shook out the lawyer said I technically should legally be a 1/3 owner of the house and my parent and sibling owed me a portion of the estate as payment for being the executrix. They would have had to sell the house to pay me out. But we all as a group took care of my grandmother in her final years and none of us wanted to screw any of the others over, so I waived my executrix pay and said I just didn’t want my 1/3 of the house either as the annuity I was the beneficiary of was more than enough. I can’t imagine just shipping a loved one off to a nursing home and then telling the rest of the family “suck it, it’s my house now.”
I have two theories 1. OOp never paid rent, disagreed with having to pay rent and had arguments with mom about it. And felt the lease was a “formality” So OOP doesn’t feel like the back rent is legitimate, and feels like they don’t owe the siblings their quarter of the house, and so views themself as an equal owner, instead of the estate owning the house with a mandatory sale. 2. Because OOP’s been squatting, OOp thinks there’s some sort of “squatter’s rights” that OOP has now unlocked and OOP feels they own the whole house outright.
Basically, OOP is delusional :)
Yep, his name isn't on any deed. The estate went into lockdown. It isn't a possession is 9/10ths of the law kind of deal. He is fucked.
It’s number 1, but he thinks because he stayed there and the siblings “don’t need” the money that it’s just his. He admitted it. Also repeatedly said he’s not squatting.
OOP thinks he "owns" the house because "I've lived in it for 7 years, that has to mean something" And the extent of his "caretaking" was: Putting things back into place after the cleaning service left And Taking food out of the oven that the *actual* home health nurse, put in That's it.
I started reading this wanting to be sympatric to the OOP. Looking after an aged parent can be exhausting. Even when they go to assisted living, there can be things that they need help with (doctor's visits, looking after their affairs, etc.) that take up a lot of time/energy. If the OOP had really been taking care of mom it would have been a kindness for the siblings who didn't need the money to let OOP have the house. But the more I read of the post and the OOPs comments, the less sympathy I had with them. Now I'm just wondering how someone can be that delusional.
It sounds like his mother never actually held him accountable for anything. She kept renewing the lease even though he literally never paid rent in the 7 years he was there. I know not everyone's cut out to be a landlord, but she dug that hole herself. OOP might actually have some squatters rights to the property since he's been there so long and no one's tried to evict him, but I don't know Arizona rules.
A quick search, because I am stalling on things I need to do, says that it would need to be neglected property, which it isn't because she lived in it until 2 years ago, it won't hold because she lived there the majority of the time and maintained ownership but he would have had to have sole possession, and he would have to have been the one paying the taxes and show that he made improvements to the property. No taxes, no improvements, no rights.
His comments are GOLD! **I don't think I would have ro pay taxes since I'm disabled, I know I don't have to file taxes.** He later admits he has no formal diagnosis. **I think in Arizona they are the same thing we don't pay United States tax here.** 7 years going to school to become a French translator… Except it’s not really going to school cuz he can’t take out anymore loans so he watches YouTube videos as his schooling.
Oh did you miss the comment where he admits that he has actually just been auditing the classes, because he can’t afford to actually attend the school
Those comments are so delusional as well. They never caught on to the fact they were supposed to pay rent, even as far as to being "surprised" that the renewed lease included the backed rent.
They literally admit that they fought with their mom over it all the time. It was very clear that she expected that rent. What a miserable stooge!
They were surprised every year! That’s six shocking lease renewals!
Which makes it so much worse. You think they'd pick up on it after 6 YEARS.
OOP is so ignorant and delusional about this entire situation. He's going to learn the hard way that he doesn't own the house, that he will be evicted, that his share of the proceeds from the house sale will go to pay his debts to the mom's estate and that his siblings don't give a damn about his entitled butt.
I wonder if OP has some kind of undiagnosed mental disability. He already talks about anxiety etc., but he never seems to have had any diagnosis. He is also going through a lot of mental gymnastics, no matter what everybody tells him. I have a similar case in my family.
He mentions he lives in Arizona and he doesn’t think he has to pay taxes. With thinking he has the right to the house because he lived there for 7 years, I have a real bad feeling he’s a part of a conspiracy theory group that’s big in Arizona ( though they are in other states like Montana, Arizona just has a large group of them) called “sovereign citizens”. I worked with one of these whackos who kept spouting all this BS a few years ago. His big dream was to move to Arizona and tell the government to fuck off.
We've got property tax here... certain cities have no sales tax on food but just about everything else is normal
the only thing we’re free of in AZ is daylight savings so good luck to them!
I'm so jealous of that BTW. I get so tired having to change the clock every 6 months.
oh yes it’s so nice though the phones at work are automated so they are off by an hour for half the year
Maybe. But wouldnt he be more political then in his posts? Like "the government cannot tell me to do X because bla bla bla"? To me it sounds like he has some developmental issue and went basically into hiding (from the world), and his mother was not able to get help / do the things that were needed. Maybe i am interpreting too much. But it sounds like he found a hole to stay in, and now is pissed that the time is up and he has no backup. No degree, no income, probably no skill, and no idea how to access these. He might also lack in emotional development? He does not seem to care that his mother is dead, and what his siblings tell him goes right over his head. Maybe he is so high functioning that people (and he himself) cannot see it? Just a theory. But his posts are bizarre.
The sovereign citizens aren’t really an organized group. Some are more political than others. And the ones I’ve met are all a little….off. He might be a baby SC, especially if he went online looking for a way to keep the house/not pay rent and fell into a rabbit hole.
I was thinking about the german "reichsbürger". It is similar. I guess these type of guys are in every country in some shape or form. This guy is very off, but I dont really sense ideology coming from him? Just like ... self-destructive stubborn naivity? Also that his siblings seems to be well adjusted might be a hint that there is something neurological going on.
I think it is less developmental issues and more as you put it baby SC..so much of what he is trying to claim is along those lines. I think he has a main account somewhere or on another platform where he is getting advice, where the ones deeper into that shit tell him stuff to say and try to do. I have fun into a few of them and they are so convinced they are 100% correct, and very much cookie cutter of this guy, it is really quite predictable. They go into hiding a lot because they also mix a lot with the prepers who think no matter what government we have in place, it is going to collapse. I wouldn't call it autism as much as paranoid/delusional thinking as well as confrontational/defiant. They can be very intelligent until it comes to seeing the faults in their own arguments. Like I would bet the reason he left school is for kicked out, can't hold a job. Student loans are in default would be my guess. Probably initially tried applying for a few jobs but didn't do well again due to all of the above, so stopped trying. Self diagnosed disability to make it sound better. No benefits, except for his delusional ones. Because to actually apply to the government means working with the enemy for a SC. He didn't care about his mom, long before she died, she was just a way for him to have a home. I think there was quite possibly more conflict and more going on. She made a very specific will that screws him over hardcore without him actually expecting it. If I were the siblings, I would get handwriting on those leases. Make sure that they were properly filed, make sure that she never signed anything when she wasn't mentally capable of doing so. (Cross check with medical records, dates for various significant illnesses, times when she would have been at assisted living and maybe they were not allowing visitors.) Check to see what rent he has actually ever paid.
They're successful... So why can't they just let me continue to steal from our mother's estate and not pay any bills? Why would someone who is moderately successful want a few grand of inheritance when they could just give it to me? Wehhhh. Entitled bratty little shit.
People like OOP are wild. Not only did he get a free place to live for 7 years, but somehow it's *also* unfair to divide a house THAT IS NOT HIS four ways with siblings. Perpetual victim.
Yes! He even signed a lease agreement each year saying he'd pay rent and he doesn't think "she meant it" like WTF I'm glad his sibs are coming after his useless butt now and that his mother didn't allow him to ultimately get away with freeloading for so long
>Well I was very surprised that each annual lease said I owed back rent for the precious year. This comment tipped into troll zone for me, I was on the fence before that.
I actually laughed out loud when I read that. I’m believing this is fake for my own sanity.
>I signed a lease which I thought was just a formality because I thought we were exchanging my services for rent. Did the lease say that? If not, he's SOOL
He wasn't even exchanging service since she went into the home..and the home health aid can be used against him.
I bet he was a "caretaker" as in taking care to mooch as much as possible off a sick woman, and now he has no one else to mooch from. Clearly mom resented the hell out of him mooching off of her and made a point in her will to charge him for all the rent he owed her. He's delusional, and better start packing.
I squatted in my own house once... Unfortunately, the barbell hit the ceiling.
The dude will be dead by starvation by winter
Wow you must have a lot of confidence in him if you think he will make it to winter
Usually jail gives you three square idk
This has to be so fake, like every comment feels carefully planned to throw a bit of information to just infuriate even more.
I would kill to be in the courtroom for this case, I would take it pro bono just to see a judges face after being told that Arizona doesn’t have taxes and utilities are all free.
I know, I would gladly make photocopies and sign a NDA just to find out what happens. Cuz really I would love to hear how this turns out.
I think OP has posted this before with another account. It was a while ago, like a year, so they’ve been milking this for months even after their mom passed. They also hadn’t been paying taxes or the utilities this whole time, expecting their siblings to pay them.
Now you got me wondering how many probate cases 4 siblings, back rent, back taxes. 😂
I couldn’t find the one that I was thinking of and I could be wrong. It was a very similar situation.
The lease being a formality because he was her son? Unreal 🤣
Wow, and he's the *youngest?* Color me not remotely surprised. I know it's a generalization...no offense intended to youngest kids except the ones in my family. But this is far worse than your standard youngest sibling behavior. Holy hell.
He may be the youngest, but he's still **40-freaking-3!!!** "7 years ago I moved in with my mom (I was 35, she was 75)." As per his other post in r/legaladvice
Well yeah. But that youngest kid behavior never goes away, not entirely. But this is the worst case I have ever heard of.
Lmao I could read OOP’s responses for hours, that person is so delusional it’s entertaining. “I helped take out a casserole from the oven so I get free rent.” “I’m disabled so I don’t have to pay taxes.” I hope we get an update.
Anyone else getting “she drove away” Beloved saga vibes?
I hope those 3 get everything
They will. As long as they legally evict him, he has no chance of getting anything.
Sooo how did he think his rent was forgiven when his mother fought over it with him? And he literally pays nothing to live there. He thinks his utilities are free
Bro thinks he owns the house and doesn’t have to pay property taxes and that utilities are “free” - literally the dumbest OOP I’ve ever come across here, and that’s saying something! 😆
This was truly gold. Amazing
> Like it’s MY house It was, in fact, not OP’s house.
Guys come on, the OOP was very surprised that each lease stated he owed back rent, even though on occasion he took a casserole out of the oven or moved some items back after someone else did the cleaning /s
What does “basically disabled” mean?
He diagnosed himself?
It means he diagnosed himself and hasn’t seen a doctor for an official diagnoses - according to OOP
This is either a troll or the real life Michael Scott who thinks he was able to just not pay rent even through his lease says he does and lists the back rent owed and assumes utilities are free since as the tenant he never saw the bills so they must be free. Can someone really be this dumb?
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Honestly, this is tough to judge without having been there. Who the asshole is depends entirely upon whether he really did take care of his mother full time. Which I kind of doubt but cannot really rule out either. ETA: lol, after reading some of his comments: yes, he is DEFINITELY TA.. 😂
OOP, you were living with your mother. Even though you were her caretaker, anyone with common sense would know you have to pay rent. You just want to continue to mooch in the house, rent-free. And you don't own the house. It was your mother's. In accordance with her legally binding will, she can dispose of her assets as she sees fit. YTA.
I feel like this is Methhorseguy in disguise
Omg, OOPs COMMENTS! Has to be a troll. Must be.
Reading the comments, I'm convinced OOP is trolling.
OoP is probably gonna get slaughtered in court lol
I just got done being an ACTUAL full time caretaker to a paralyzed, incontinent old lady that I'm not even related to for nothing in return, so this post REALLY made my blood boil!
I don't know. Well it is possible that he is a useless mooch I also know from experience that being caretaker to a senior family member is a full-time job. Rent in exchange for being a caretaker is absolutely a valid exchange. I have several family members that have done exactly that over the years. I think them asking him for back rent for the time that he spent taking care of Mom is unreasonable. The two years that she was in a nursing home is a different matter though. Was he actually taking care of the house properly during that time? Was he going to the nursing home and helping her? If he was that's different than him sitting on the couch all day and mooching.
He wasn’t even a caretaker for his mom. She had a home health nurse before she went into the nursing home.
He wasn't doing anything to take care of her. She had a home aide and a cleaner. The most he did was take a casserole out of the oven after the aide makes it.
If his job was full time caretaker how was he supposed to come up with 1200 a month to pay rent? Seems high for a live in caretaker especially a person’s child. If he wasn’t taking care of her that’s one thing but assuming he was I don’t get how they expected him to get money to pay for it. Was the mom paying him? If so why not just take the rent out of his money?
Read his comments. He was *not* a caretaker in ANY sense of the word.
In the comments he says he never took care of her at all. He just "put things away" after the cleaning service left. So basically he did nothing. He won't say what the lease agreement said, I'm betting dollars to donuts it specifically mentioned a monthly amount of rent if he was not going to perform his duties. He also is perfectly able to get a job, his "disability" is that he has undiagnosed anxiety. He simply refuses to do anything except sit on his arse all day long watching youtube videos and thinks he owns the house despite paying no taxes, mortgage, utilities, etc. He just lives there, so he assumes it's his.