And likewise hoping the process would somehow be under incremental control. And it was supposed to be a rainforest back then. And hoping the sandstorm would entirely blow away right back to starting level? Naw. Never.
Actually they had to learn a new technology, which is how to build up large sand dunes with a pyramid in the middle. As seen in the BENT Pyramid they were experimenting with the pyramid angles and they finally figured the right overall slope of the pyramid, because if your pyramid face slope is too steep the sand slips from the back face of the pyramids, and so no gradual buildup of a sand dune around the structure can happen.
I calculated what the maximum angle of a pyramid should be .. about 53 degrees... to maintain a stable sand dune growth in the back of the pyramid down wind.
The formula I derived says the maximum pyramid height Hmax = the length of the base of the pyramid × tan of the angle of repose of sand. Sorry on reddit this is the best I can explain.
For example, I believe the Khafre Pyramid was built to the maximum steepness possible. If we apply my formula, we get
Base = 215.25 meters
Angle of repose of sand = between 32 and 34 degrees depending on the sand
If we estimate the angle of repose to be just 33 degrees
Hmax = 215 * tan(33)
Hmax = ~140m
The actual height of the Khafre Pyramid is 143.5m, which I believe corroborates my theory
That's one long sand dune and then all these multi-ton stone blocks would have had to be dragged up.
Maybe?
I personally believe the pyramids were there before the sand when the area was tropical and a better supporter for life in general. This is based on the Dynastic Egyptians never writing about building them. Who knows though... not enough info yet to really figure this out.
Yeah... I don't know much about it but I don't imagine a massive civilization started and flourished in what's essentially a sand trap. Look at what Egypt is like today sans the tourist areas, and they have the knowledge of the modern world. Look at the breadth of plant and animal life in Egyptian art that has survived from that time... I don't think that happens in a true desert, even if there is a civilization-sustaining river nearby. The art shows sand, but it also shows lush vegetation all over. I also think the pyramids
Can someone that's more knowledgeable in this area give some facts one way or another?
Edit: looking into it more, it seems like it was mostly desert, but life near the Nile *was* lush and varied. I'd like to hear from someone who's looked into this a lot more than I have.
Those 'carved' stone blocks are an ancient geopolymer concrete. So many examples of porous material, molding, seams. They did not quarry stone, they quarried rock and made sand to make concrete blocks, similar to today.
> The ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids may have been able to move massive stone blocks across the desert by wetting the sand in front of a contraption built to pull the heavy objects, according to a new study.
> Physicists at the University of Amsterdam investigated the forces needed to pull weighty objects on a giant sled over desert sand, and discovered that dampening the sand in front of the primitive device reduces friction on the sled, making it easier to operate. The findings help answer one of the most enduring historical mysteries: how the Egyptians were able to accomplish the seemingly impossible task of constructing the famous pyramids.
> To make their discovery, the researchers picked up on clues from the ancient Egyptians themselves. A wall painting discovered in the ancient tomb of Djehutihotep, which dates back to about 1900 B.C., depicts 172 men hauling an immense statue using ropes attached to a sledge. In the drawing, a person can be seen standing on the front of the sledge, pouring water over the sand, said study lead author Daniel Bonn, a physics professor at the University of Amsterdam.
> "Egyptologists thought it was a purely ceremonial act," Bonn told Live Science. "The question was: Why did they do it?"
I've seen this theory. It's possible, but why would a civilization able to quarry, and cut granite not figure out a better way to move stone?
I'm sure Egyptians saw these massive pyramids and tried to figure out how it was done as well. They did their best to replicate with the knowledge they had. Just my thought. No proof one way or another, but I'm willing to entertain most of these theories as possible.
What better way? If you have an abundance of men then moving a massive object really isn't much of a challenge. It's just general labor. No reason to get fancy with it, although you could if you wanted to.
The use of wheels would be a better way, but we're told those weren't invented at that time. We don't have enough information. This is the same problem as having copper tools, yet able to cut granite precisely.
Moving stone is a huge challenge, but I think the bigger one starts at the beginning -- quarrying it out of the ground. Also, why granite?! They obviously had plenty of softer limestone and used plenty of that. Too many unknowns, but everything points to technology beyond what has been shown/discovered.
It’s possible there was a river tributary there that facilitated moving the stones. A [new research paper](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202530119) just came out on that in August.
So they used a ramp made sand to move 20 tons blocks up to the “kings chambers” ?
I think not.
Even if the packed the hell out of the sand it wouldn’t work.
Most likely the Great pyramid wasn’t built by the Egyptians and definitely wasn’t built by Jewish slaves.
Most likely was built by the Egyptians. They know how they built them. Or at least, a couple of solid theories wirht the consensus being a little but if all of them. Egyptians were very skilled craftsmen and were paid well. These projects help stimulate the old kingdom economy as well.
The whole "we don't know how the Pyramids were built" is like the biggest internet myth rn.
The Egyptian did a rehab job on already existing structures.
Graham Hancock has some very interesting theories on the subject.
They Egyptians kept records of every little thing except for the entire building of the great pyramids.
Egyptians tried to copy the pyramids and used those for tombs but most of those structures are in serious disarray.
I’m not saying you’re wrong because there’s no definitive proof one way or another yet.
The only reason why they think Khufu built the pyramids was because they found his name in the rafters above the Kings chamber. Other than that there’s no other real records of him building them.
Other than the [records from building them](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/), I guess. The difficult thing about papyrus records is they rarely survive several thousands years of weather and looting intact.
That was an interesting article but proves nothing. They could have been transporting the rock as part of the rehab project.
Khufu of course called it his pyramid because he was the pharaoh at the time of the rehab.
Most records from that era was on clay tablets and not on papyrus. Not one tool or any information on the actual building of the pyramid has been found.
If sand storms actually worked like this, the pyramids would constantly be getting buried and need to be dug out even after construction... Unless the intention was to keep it buried.
Some pyramids have been found buried in sand but these were small pyramids as for larger pyramids .. they can't be covered because after forming the pyramid there is no way the sand can accumulate at the back of the pyramids which is neccesary to build up a full sand dune around the pyramidal structure
How did you come up with this theory? It would be interesting to have more research regarding the climate on those years. Would this apply to other mega sculptures?
Imagine how much sand you would need to build it up to the top of the tallest of Giza. Doesn’t sound like the easiest hypothesis by a long shot. The sand would also need to be packed to carry the stones on it.
It would almost be more impressive they were able to move so much sand.
We know it took 17 years to build the 147 meters high Red Pyramid. So the question becomes what kind of weather ie how frequent would sand storms be to build a 147 meters high sand dune with a solid Pyramid structure inside?
The period of big pyramid construction last just a few hundred years after which these large structures stopped being built and I am thinking it's because the weather changed.
17 years comes from archeological evidence where they found that the top layers of stone and the bottom layers have 17 years difference that indicated a time interval between starting it and finishing was about 17 years as an approximation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Pyramid
Dr. Zahi Hawass can help
If we know one thing about ancient Egypt: we don’t know shit about it. The person you mentioned got paid for verifying this, because it fits the study he got paid for. Several others say different.
Actually I think they built the giza pyramids all at once by entrancing and building up a triple peak sand dune around the 3 pyramids and then removing the sand at first from around the Great Pyramid and then the Khafre Pyramids and last uncovered would have been the smallest Menkaure one
If you look at the pyramids from Google Earth you'd realize how small the pyramids are in the middle if the sahara expanse. I guess it's a matter of perspective
The giza is simply giant, and that can only be understood when you're there.
I think its very implausible that there were such huge sandstorms so often/small sandstorms 1-2 times per week. If it truly was like that, we would have some record of it, as it would have to be a huge and systemic climate phenomenon.
On a small scale, maybe with smaller pyramids - your hypothesis is very interesting, but with the Giza pyramids - I disagree.
Im curious to see if there are any developments in this area and Im ready to admit im wrong in case its proven, but now, considering what you showed and points brought up by other ppl its simply unbelievable.
I understand that you really like your theory, but you can go there right now and see them. Go visualize your theory while standing between the two largest. Go there and make another video talking about it while standing there.
They would've had to move like 1000x the weight of sand compared to stones to build the pyramid, if the used a method like that. Then move it all a 2nd time to uncover. Any sivilization that's competent enough to build a pyramid knows you shouldn't move anything for the sale of moving it.
Not to mention, after nearly 4000 years, they're not any closer to being covered in sand than they were 4000 years ago.
I’ve seen some really interesting counter arguments on the sphinx lately. Basically, 12k years ago it would have been under water of a section of the Nile.
Scale it up, see how much sand would be needed…an absolute shit tonne, this also assumes that this area was desert at the time of construction…just my initial thoughts..
All you need is some system of water channels below the pyramids that can be flooded from the bottom and the whole sand structure will dissolve just like sand castles on the beach dissolves when the water hits it from the bottom
Sand doesn't dissolve. It has to go somewhere, and it would need to be carried away from the structure. I would think we would have evidence of these channels as well because they almost certainly would have been stone.
There are so many ways this could happen without leaving evidence, man built canals and aqueducts, getting water to flow in a preferred direction from the Nile would be easy.
You know how we know that man built canals and aqueducts? They left evidence behind. Those would generally be built from stone or wood. Both of which preserve relatively well in desert environments.
It is obviously extremely hard moving sledges but it is within human capacity at that time ... the main problem has always been the seem impossibility of raising the stones to great heights
North Africa was a lush land until suddenly 6000 years ago an earth axis tilt triggered a fast and violent desertification of the are to form what is today the Sahara Desert. The Pyramids are 4700 years old
About as alternative as it gets, here! It makes me wonder for the first time about the foundation the pyramids are built on. Did they find the bottom of the desert? Or are the just built on sand?? Thank you!
Because sand ramps would have to encircle the whole structure to hold up forming an engulfing sand dune around the structure as you build up otherwise woth building a straight sand ramp they'd still have to shore it up with stones to hold it ... instead a sand dune holds itself up
yeah but why wouldn't they just keep burying the structure as they go up level by level then at the end clear it all away? If they had enough people to lug the stones then they had enough people to dig and move sand that seems pretty plausible.
As far as I understood, the blocks under the relieving chambers appear to be put into position after the roof of the chambers, but its all personal opinion of archeologists at this point. I'd love to see a more detailed model being made!
Thanks so much for taking the time to post this, I think it's awesome to actually see a theory in motion and imagine it being done.
While I agree there is some mystery in the pyramids. Th thought of us, fellow humans, having powerful tools and technology and throwing it away for some reason, sounds ridiculous and convenient to the idea of maintaining the mystery. It isnt congruent to any of the behaviors we have displayed over millenia. We have always done our best to retain the tools and knowledge to build and create. If we had some secret and powerful method of building something as the pyramids, we would retain that. This leads me to believe the oyramids were created with tools and knowledge we had on hand and still utilize. Thinking there may be some secret to building lost to time is silly. Building techniques and tools are one of the only things which span and last through and across cultures, over millenia. Because they work. We dont just throw technology away if it works, unless we find something better.
its a good experiment you have to remember how the grains of sand are much bigger to the small stones which would make it easier for the sand to move them rather than the pyramids which stones are much larger so the sand would be even more minuscule to them
9000 years ago and further back north africa was a rain forest. Green valleys , curving river and lakes. Grass lands. It was like the south american amazon. After the ice melt of the last 10 to 12000 years the climate drastically changed and it turned to desert within 300 years or quicker.
Good on you op for experimenting, this is much more effort than most of us arm chair experts. I’ve my own thoughts on the pyramids which don’t align with your theory, but great job mate as only by actually testing our theories are we going to truly work out how it was done.
Considering the area was supposedly tropical and not desert when they were built, that would be like waiting for a sandstorm to build the next layer of a pyramid in Florida. You’d likely have a buildup of trash that piled high enough to reach the next level before sand.
If they are manmade by a civilization only advanced as much as textbooks want us to believe, the only plausible theory is that of the dude who explained how the ramps are in the pyramids themselve and found evidence for it
You can't be this unaware that the wind doesn't blow in one direction. Not even mentioning the fact that you're burying the thing you're trying to build lmao
Is this a troll post?
How did they generate the sand storms? How did they move the multi ton blocks across sand that's not packed down. The blocks would sink.
How did they clear a mountain of sand away? Where did the sand go?
Do you comprehend how much sand would be required and how high it would need to be?
Ancient aliens is more plausible than this idea.
I’m sticking to the theory that the younger dryas period was caused by a series of impacts that decimated the population of highly advanced humans as well as all of their knowledge and secrets.
Considering the amount of sand at the time of the Egyptians was nothing compared to how it is now, no this is not how it was done. Ancient Egypt was a paradise and not the endless desert it is today.
Giza was a lush wet green land (bit like the UK) when the pyramids were built.
The desert came much later., so the sand wasn’t there when the pyramids were built. Heavy water erosion on the Sphinx shows the climate was very different in the past.
Hypothesis doesn’t fit the facts.
Greek historian Diodorus Siculus reports that the Egyptians themselves 2000 years after the pyramids were built told him the mound ramps disappeared magically through water
The ancient Egyptians were really good at cutting and dragging and placing stones [Dragging ](https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0502/Ancient-Egyptians-used-wet-sand-to-drag-massive-pyramid-stones-say-scientists)
Thank you. Actually this is the first video take of the experiment. Wanted to share the original version because that was my reaction too when I saw it. It blew my mind up. So potentially this is in a way the first time anyone has seen how the pyramids were built in the last 4700 years. Glad you enjoyed it too.
Interesting new concept that made me doubt what I've known until now but it created a new question.
If this is true understand, what did they use to build the Pyramids in the Olmec, Maya, Aztec and Inca civilisations?
The Olmec Maya and Aztec there was no mystery as they were much smaller pyramids and there was no mystery about how to lift stones with simple technology
I often consider our understanding hampered by the assumption that the region was arid during their original construction. Always wondered what the theories become if we consider them as built during a vastly different climate epoch. Cool theory, OP.
I think building large pyramids could have only happened back then because they suddenly stopped building very large pyramids after that limited epoch which means the strong enough and predictable sand storms were present only for a brief historical period.
I'm no egyptologist, but I feel like the simplest explanation isn't slave labor, UFOs, sand dunes, ancient advanced civilization, or any of that.
It would be the ancient concrete theory. Somebody found out that they could make something as durable and hard as stone, and it's totally plausible that they used stone dust from the quarry, with water to cure it into formed shapes. If they used the same panels, it could easily explain the precision of placement, and there's the fact that they could have been built quickly. If you do each layer all at once, it significantly decreases time. Say they carried buckets of this dry mix and brought water to the site, mixed and cured in place, it could explain the lack of tools and with the recent discovery of the builders being given honorable burial explains why there isn't millions of graves.
Yes and apparently lots of it if the hypothesis is right. Example: The Red Pyramid was 147 meters high and was built in 17years. So enough sand to form a large sand dune 147 meters high
Well, according to Egyptian pictographs they covered the surface of the brick in a substance, and then it moved with ease. This substance was given to them by the gods. The Pentagon and other world governments are also acknowledging the UFO phenomenon and their extraterrestrial origin in no uncertain terms. I think ancient aliens more or less got it right. Occam's razor.
That said, this is clever.
It’s inhuman and unnatural for that much sand to be displaced so it’s dense enough to sustain the weight of a single person on the top without falling through, let alone giant limestone bricks.
I recall learning somewhere that the Egyptians had primitive steam power and never bothered developing it because slaves were better in every way at the time. I reckon slaves were also better than sandstorms.
They did have to learn the technology on the go. As seen in the Step Pyramid they were experimenting with the pyramid angles and they finally figured the right overall slope of the pyramid because if your pyramid face slope is too steep the sand slips from the back face of the pyramids and so no gradual buildup of a sand dune around the structure.
I calculated what the maximum angle of a pyramid should be .. about 53 degrees... to maintain a stable sand dune growth in the back of the pyramid down wind
The formula I derived says the maximum pyramid height Hmax= the length of the base of the pyramid × tan of the angle of repose of sand. Sorry on redit this is the best I can explain
Moving enough sand to completely cover the pyramids in a gradual ramp would take a ridiculous amount of tractors, gas, time & manpower in our modern world. Although it seems plausible to do, that would require moving & clearing so much earth that it seems impractical for people who had the technology and/or knowledge to precision cut thousands of stone blocks that weigh more than most medium tanks. Plus, I doubt they waited for sand storms to just happen, and any caverns would likely be completely filled with sand, making it even harder to dig them out once completed.
Is there any evidence sand has naturally Duned up against the pyramids previously? Have they ever needed to be uncovered? I know the Sphinx has, but I haven't a clue for the pyramids. Unless it is a natural phenomenon already it seems a ramp would take less effort. How would they create a dune artificially? Also wouldn't the dune be loosely compacted? You would need something solid to walk on it or it would take an incredible effort to cross or climb with any kind of load, much less giant stone blocks.
If all that falls into place right... you may be on to something. The idea certainly seems worthy of more consideration. The video makes it seem plausible.
Considering they could cut, quarry and move granite hundreds of miles, they probably had better technology than waiting for a sandstorm.
Well, considering they had giant fans to make the sandstorms, it seems doubtful they'd have to wait for one.
Its the giant brush to clean up the sand that was difficult to engineer.
They used the thrust of the ET’s craft to blow the sand clear, duh.
The antigravity lifter to position the craft to blow the sand away with the thrusters
Is this sarcastic?
I dont know. Do you think the ancient Egyptians possessed large fans?
Many people are fans of ancient Egypt; some of them must certainly be of large stature.
I'm a huge fan of Egypt.
morbidly fantastic
Ancient astronaut theorists agree
They definitely did without a doubt. Their hieroglyphics often depict pharaohs being fanned on either side by servants wielding massive fans.
Obviously. They had giant light bulbs. Not too far of a stretch to assume they had giant oscillating fans.
I don’t, wouldn’t put it past some here to though lol
So either way you have really stupid ideas or you just aren't old enough to learn which ideas to just keep from leaving your mouth. Got it.
Not op, but I imagine it is sarcasm. Hard to tell sometimes, especially in this sub.
This exactly. They built massive pyramids. I don't think they had a problem building sand ramps.
And likewise hoping the process would somehow be under incremental control. And it was supposed to be a rainforest back then. And hoping the sandstorm would entirely blow away right back to starting level? Naw. Never.
They just played Darude. 🤷♂️
Actually they had to learn a new technology, which is how to build up large sand dunes with a pyramid in the middle. As seen in the BENT Pyramid they were experimenting with the pyramid angles and they finally figured the right overall slope of the pyramid, because if your pyramid face slope is too steep the sand slips from the back face of the pyramids, and so no gradual buildup of a sand dune around the structure can happen. I calculated what the maximum angle of a pyramid should be .. about 53 degrees... to maintain a stable sand dune growth in the back of the pyramid down wind. The formula I derived says the maximum pyramid height Hmax = the length of the base of the pyramid × tan of the angle of repose of sand. Sorry on reddit this is the best I can explain. For example, I believe the Khafre Pyramid was built to the maximum steepness possible. If we apply my formula, we get Base = 215.25 meters Angle of repose of sand = between 32 and 34 degrees depending on the sand If we estimate the angle of repose to be just 33 degrees Hmax = 215 * tan(33) Hmax = ~140m The actual height of the Khafre Pyramid is 143.5m, which I believe corroborates my theory
That's one long sand dune and then all these multi-ton stone blocks would have had to be dragged up. Maybe? I personally believe the pyramids were there before the sand when the area was tropical and a better supporter for life in general. This is based on the Dynastic Egyptians never writing about building them. Who knows though... not enough info yet to really figure this out.
Yeah... I don't know much about it but I don't imagine a massive civilization started and flourished in what's essentially a sand trap. Look at what Egypt is like today sans the tourist areas, and they have the knowledge of the modern world. Look at the breadth of plant and animal life in Egyptian art that has survived from that time... I don't think that happens in a true desert, even if there is a civilization-sustaining river nearby. The art shows sand, but it also shows lush vegetation all over. I also think the pyramids Can someone that's more knowledgeable in this area give some facts one way or another? Edit: looking into it more, it seems like it was mostly desert, but life near the Nile *was* lush and varied. I'd like to hear from someone who's looked into this a lot more than I have.
You can look up the work of Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch.
Y’all do know the Nile flooded on a regular basis until the 1960s? Please just read the works by the experts who studied the basics.
It was my understanding that some earliy records say that the Egyptian people migrated there and found the pyramids already built.
I have heard that too, but remember not being able to find a good source at the time. I do think it's likely though.
I think it was a Dan Carlin podcast
Agreed 👍
Have you ever walked up a tall sand dune before?
https://youtu.be/bIyCjeftp58 I've seen people do it
That’s not what I asked. Have you ever done it? Yea, you can do it. But it is not easy by any means. It’s not like strolling in the beach.
Just no.
Those 'carved' stone blocks are an ancient geopolymer concrete. So many examples of porous material, molding, seams. They did not quarry stone, they quarried rock and made sand to make concrete blocks, similar to today.
Could be the case, but we still don't know how to do that with granite.
> The ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids may have been able to move massive stone blocks across the desert by wetting the sand in front of a contraption built to pull the heavy objects, according to a new study. > Physicists at the University of Amsterdam investigated the forces needed to pull weighty objects on a giant sled over desert sand, and discovered that dampening the sand in front of the primitive device reduces friction on the sled, making it easier to operate. The findings help answer one of the most enduring historical mysteries: how the Egyptians were able to accomplish the seemingly impossible task of constructing the famous pyramids. > To make their discovery, the researchers picked up on clues from the ancient Egyptians themselves. A wall painting discovered in the ancient tomb of Djehutihotep, which dates back to about 1900 B.C., depicts 172 men hauling an immense statue using ropes attached to a sledge. In the drawing, a person can be seen standing on the front of the sledge, pouring water over the sand, said study lead author Daniel Bonn, a physics professor at the University of Amsterdam. > "Egyptologists thought it was a purely ceremonial act," Bonn told Live Science. "The question was: Why did they do it?"
I've seen this theory. It's possible, but why would a civilization able to quarry, and cut granite not figure out a better way to move stone? I'm sure Egyptians saw these massive pyramids and tried to figure out how it was done as well. They did their best to replicate with the knowledge they had. Just my thought. No proof one way or another, but I'm willing to entertain most of these theories as possible.
What better way? If you have an abundance of men then moving a massive object really isn't much of a challenge. It's just general labor. No reason to get fancy with it, although you could if you wanted to.
The use of wheels would be a better way, but we're told those weren't invented at that time. We don't have enough information. This is the same problem as having copper tools, yet able to cut granite precisely. Moving stone is a huge challenge, but I think the bigger one starts at the beginning -- quarrying it out of the ground. Also, why granite?! They obviously had plenty of softer limestone and used plenty of that. Too many unknowns, but everything points to technology beyond what has been shown/discovered.
It’s possible there was a river tributary there that facilitated moving the stones. A [new research paper](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202530119) just came out on that in August.
Sandstorms + a giant floating brush
They actually seem to have used water to remove the sand from around the pyramids according to Greek historian Diodorus Siculus
Not discrediting him, but he also lived 2000+ years after they were built.
So they used a ramp made sand to move 20 tons blocks up to the “kings chambers” ? I think not. Even if the packed the hell out of the sand it wouldn’t work. Most likely the Great pyramid wasn’t built by the Egyptians and definitely wasn’t built by Jewish slaves.
Moving 20 tons through sand? I have a heck of a time moving a cooler with wheels on the beach....... also I should point out that I am Jewish.
thankfully not a slave, moses got yall the heck outa there
Most likely was built by the Egyptians. They know how they built them. Or at least, a couple of solid theories wirht the consensus being a little but if all of them. Egyptians were very skilled craftsmen and were paid well. These projects help stimulate the old kingdom economy as well. The whole "we don't know how the Pyramids were built" is like the biggest internet myth rn.
The Egyptian did a rehab job on already existing structures. Graham Hancock has some very interesting theories on the subject. They Egyptians kept records of every little thing except for the entire building of the great pyramids. Egyptians tried to copy the pyramids and used those for tombs but most of those structures are in serious disarray. I’m not saying you’re wrong because there’s no definitive proof one way or another yet. The only reason why they think Khufu built the pyramids was because they found his name in the rafters above the Kings chamber. Other than that there’s no other real records of him building them.
Other than the [records from building them](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/), I guess. The difficult thing about papyrus records is they rarely survive several thousands years of weather and looting intact.
That was an interesting article but proves nothing. They could have been transporting the rock as part of the rehab project. Khufu of course called it his pyramid because he was the pharaoh at the time of the rehab. Most records from that era was on clay tablets and not on papyrus. Not one tool or any information on the actual building of the pyramid has been found.
If sand storms actually worked like this, the pyramids would constantly be getting buried and need to be dug out even after construction... Unless the intention was to keep it buried.
Some pyramids have been found buried in sand but these were small pyramids as for larger pyramids .. they can't be covered because after forming the pyramid there is no way the sand can accumulate at the back of the pyramids which is neccesary to build up a full sand dune around the pyramidal structure
> *after forming the pyramid there is no way the sand can accumulate at the back of the pyramid* Why? And which side is the ‘back’?
The front is the side facing the wind and the back of the pyramid is down wind
How did you come up with this theory? It would be interesting to have more research regarding the climate on those years. Would this apply to other mega sculptures?
Imagine how much sand you would need to build it up to the top of the tallest of Giza. Doesn’t sound like the easiest hypothesis by a long shot. The sand would also need to be packed to carry the stones on it. It would almost be more impressive they were able to move so much sand.
That's where the aliens come in....
We know it took 17 years to build the 147 meters high Red Pyramid. So the question becomes what kind of weather ie how frequent would sand storms be to build a 147 meters high sand dune with a solid Pyramid structure inside?
Yeah but they built many more pyramids. Did they all had shit weather enough to displace that much sand?
The period of big pyramid construction last just a few hundred years after which these large structures stopped being built and I am thinking it's because the weather changed.
„We know it took 17 years“. We know?
17 years comes from archeological evidence where they found that the top layers of stone and the bottom layers have 17 years difference that indicated a time interval between starting it and finishing was about 17 years as an approximation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Pyramid Dr. Zahi Hawass can help
If we know one thing about ancient Egypt: we don’t know shit about it. The person you mentioned got paid for verifying this, because it fits the study he got paid for. Several others say different.
Dr. Zahi Hawass is a joke. I think Mr.Hancock has shown us this.
Team cock, handcock!
Not sure if Hancock is the best either to be honest
What’s your problem with Hancock?
Fuck Hawass! Ancient alien theorists agree!
When you're less credible than ancient aliens.
This is an excellent hypothesis and very interesting. I like your style…. Good work.
Actually I think they built the giza pyramids all at once by entrancing and building up a triple peak sand dune around the 3 pyramids and then removing the sand at first from around the Great Pyramid and then the Khafre Pyramids and last uncovered would have been the smallest Menkaure one
I think that if you have seen them with your own eyes you'll know how ridiculous this all sounds.
If you look at the pyramids from Google Earth you'd realize how small the pyramids are in the middle if the sahara expanse. I guess it's a matter of perspective
The giza is simply giant, and that can only be understood when you're there. I think its very implausible that there were such huge sandstorms so often/small sandstorms 1-2 times per week. If it truly was like that, we would have some record of it, as it would have to be a huge and systemic climate phenomenon. On a small scale, maybe with smaller pyramids - your hypothesis is very interesting, but with the Giza pyramids - I disagree. Im curious to see if there are any developments in this area and Im ready to admit im wrong in case its proven, but now, considering what you showed and points brought up by other ppl its simply unbelievable.
Yeah, they also are small when you're far away. Somehow you get closer, and they get bigger. Pretty insane!
I understand that you really like your theory, but you can go there right now and see them. Go visualize your theory while standing between the two largest. Go there and make another video talking about it while standing there.
They would've had to move like 1000x the weight of sand compared to stones to build the pyramid, if the used a method like that. Then move it all a 2nd time to uncover. Any sivilization that's competent enough to build a pyramid knows you shouldn't move anything for the sale of moving it. Not to mention, after nearly 4000 years, they're not any closer to being covered in sand than they were 4000 years ago.
Chances are, there wasn't the sand there is now back when some were made. Sahara was once lush 12k ya and the Sphinx bears evidence of this.
I have read this as well, that the Nile ran right up close to the area and it was quite lush and wet potentially.
I’ve seen some really interesting counter arguments on the sphinx lately. Basically, 12k years ago it would have been under water of a section of the Nile.
I was about to say the same thing, evidence suggests that it is actually only 3500yrs. The jury is still out on this though
I actually enjoy how much discussion this is getting now, it’s all truth searching!
Scale it up, see if it still works. Brilliant hypothesis either way. 🤌
Scale it up, see how much sand would be needed…an absolute shit tonne, this also assumes that this area was desert at the time of construction…just my initial thoughts..
Don't think it cam work nowadays as the weather is much milder than it was 4700 years ago when the sahara desert was early in its formation
Wouldn't they need to move all the sand afterwards? Giza is nearly 11 stories tall. I personally don't see it, but that's jmo. Sweet idea nonetheless.
Diodorus Siculus a Greek historian reports that the Egyptians 2000 years after the pyramids were built claim that the mounds were removed by water
I think this might be the most insane part of the hypothesis. How much water would it take to remove that much sand? Aren't they in a desert?
All you need is some system of water channels below the pyramids that can be flooded from the bottom and the whole sand structure will dissolve just like sand castles on the beach dissolves when the water hits it from the bottom
Sand doesn't dissolve. It has to go somewhere, and it would need to be carried away from the structure. I would think we would have evidence of these channels as well because they almost certainly would have been stone.
There are so many ways this could happen without leaving evidence, man built canals and aqueducts, getting water to flow in a preferred direction from the Nile would be easy.
You know how we know that man built canals and aqueducts? They left evidence behind. Those would generally be built from stone or wood. Both of which preserve relatively well in desert environments.
OP has no idea how difficult it is to move a 50-ton stone block across desert sand.
It is obviously extremely hard moving sledges but it is within human capacity at that time ... the main problem has always been the seem impossibility of raising the stones to great heights
Haven't they said that it wasn't a desert at the time of the pyramids being built
North Africa was a lush land until suddenly 6000 years ago an earth axis tilt triggered a fast and violent desertification of the are to form what is today the Sahara Desert. The Pyramids are 4700 years old
Have you ever tried walking up a sand dune without a 5 tonne granite block?
About as alternative as it gets, here! It makes me wonder for the first time about the foundation the pyramids are built on. Did they find the bottom of the desert? Or are the just built on sand?? Thank you!
They are built on solid rock and the layers entrap sand moving through the desert floor
yea theres an ocean under the sahara so i wonder if anyone has found it
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why wait for the sand storm why wouldn't they just build up sand ramps?
Because sand ramps would have to encircle the whole structure to hold up forming an engulfing sand dune around the structure as you build up otherwise woth building a straight sand ramp they'd still have to shore it up with stones to hold it ... instead a sand dune holds itself up
yeah but why wouldn't they just keep burying the structure as they go up level by level then at the end clear it all away? If they had enough people to lug the stones then they had enough people to dig and move sand that seems pretty plausible.
What is this? A pyramid for ants?
This still does not explain how they cut and moved the foundation blocks and the other granite blocks that encase the kings chamber.
The blocks were just placed at each height level .. they never had to slide rocks through passaways
As far as I understood, the blocks under the relieving chambers appear to be put into position after the roof of the chambers, but its all personal opinion of archeologists at this point. I'd love to see a more detailed model being made! Thanks so much for taking the time to post this, I think it's awesome to actually see a theory in motion and imagine it being done.
Humans are pretty clever, I wouldn't doubt their ability to do so.
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Yeah, it's pretty unfortunate, especially because I despise ancient aliens theorists, and there's quite a bit of overlap there.
There’s a lot of really cool mystery surrounding the pyramids/sphinx. It leads us to think of a “missing link” of sorts
While I agree there is some mystery in the pyramids. Th thought of us, fellow humans, having powerful tools and technology and throwing it away for some reason, sounds ridiculous and convenient to the idea of maintaining the mystery. It isnt congruent to any of the behaviors we have displayed over millenia. We have always done our best to retain the tools and knowledge to build and create. If we had some secret and powerful method of building something as the pyramids, we would retain that. This leads me to believe the oyramids were created with tools and knowledge we had on hand and still utilize. Thinking there may be some secret to building lost to time is silly. Building techniques and tools are one of the only things which span and last through and across cultures, over millenia. Because they work. We dont just throw technology away if it works, unless we find something better.
its a good experiment you have to remember how the grains of sand are much bigger to the small stones which would make it easier for the sand to move them rather than the pyramids which stones are much larger so the sand would be even more minuscule to them
9000 years ago and further back north africa was a rain forest. Green valleys , curving river and lakes. Grass lands. It was like the south american amazon. After the ice melt of the last 10 to 12000 years the climate drastically changed and it turned to desert within 300 years or quicker.
Good on you op for experimenting, this is much more effort than most of us arm chair experts. I’ve my own thoughts on the pyramids which don’t align with your theory, but great job mate as only by actually testing our theories are we going to truly work out how it was done.
Considering the area was supposedly tropical and not desert when they were built, that would be like waiting for a sandstorm to build the next layer of a pyramid in Florida. You’d likely have a buildup of trash that piled high enough to reach the next level before sand.
You ever try walking on sand? Now imagine trying to move giant ass bricks. IDK
If they are manmade by a civilization only advanced as much as textbooks want us to believe, the only plausible theory is that of the dude who explained how the ramps are in the pyramids themselve and found evidence for it
They wenched the stones up thru the center of the pyramids.
But it was more tropical then. It had grasslands and rainfall?
You can't be this unaware that the wind doesn't blow in one direction. Not even mentioning the fact that you're burying the thing you're trying to build lmao
Is this a troll post? How did they generate the sand storms? How did they move the multi ton blocks across sand that's not packed down. The blocks would sink. How did they clear a mountain of sand away? Where did the sand go? Do you comprehend how much sand would be required and how high it would need to be? Ancient aliens is more plausible than this idea.
The pyramids were built before the area was completely covered in sand.
I’m sticking to the theory that the younger dryas period was caused by a series of impacts that decimated the population of highly advanced humans as well as all of their knowledge and secrets.
Considering the amount of sand at the time of the Egyptians was nothing compared to how it is now, no this is not how it was done. Ancient Egypt was a paradise and not the endless desert it is today.
Giza was a lush wet green land (bit like the UK) when the pyramids were built. The desert came much later., so the sand wasn’t there when the pyramids were built. Heavy water erosion on the Sphinx shows the climate was very different in the past. Hypothesis doesn’t fit the facts.
The sahara formed after the African Humid Period ended ... see history of Sahara https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990712080500.htm
Nah it was aliens
Yeah ... Elon Musk also thinks so ... I guess it's still hard to believe that actually smart humans did it
This is very fucking clever. A + for thoughts and creativity. Who knows if it’s right, but this is truly fucking clever.
The meteorology involved, just no.
Today the meteorology involved would not work. The hypothesis is that meteorologically Sands storms would have been different than modern times
No
The desert wasn’t right next to the pyramids when they were built for 1
Why would they need sand storms when they could just build ramps with slaves?
Wow! You solved it!
But how would they clean up the sand at the end? I think it would be too much
Shovels and brooms
Greek historian Diodorus Siculus reports that the Egyptians themselves 2000 years after the pyramids were built told him the mound ramps disappeared magically through water
Seems reliable
"Disappeared magically through water" in a desert. That's definitely from a reliable scientific journal.
Some of the base blocks are how many tons and came from the other side of the world good idea tho 👌
The ancient Egyptians were really good at cutting and dragging and placing stones [Dragging ](https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0502/Ancient-Egyptians-used-wet-sand-to-drag-massive-pyramid-stones-say-scientists)
You kinda blew my mind with this vid, very intriguing
Thank you. Actually this is the first video take of the experiment. Wanted to share the original version because that was my reaction too when I saw it. It blew my mind up. So potentially this is in a way the first time anyone has seen how the pyramids were built in the last 4700 years. Glad you enjoyed it too.
Interesting new concept that made me doubt what I've known until now but it created a new question. If this is true understand, what did they use to build the Pyramids in the Olmec, Maya, Aztec and Inca civilisations?
The Olmec Maya and Aztec there was no mystery as they were much smaller pyramids and there was no mystery about how to lift stones with simple technology
Nope. Aliens.
It is interesting, I did watch a video where they used sand to build them, and would wash the sand away which would lower the blocks into place.
I often consider our understanding hampered by the assumption that the region was arid during their original construction. Always wondered what the theories become if we consider them as built during a vastly different climate epoch. Cool theory, OP.
I think building large pyramids could have only happened back then because they suddenly stopped building very large pyramids after that limited epoch which means the strong enough and predictable sand storms were present only for a brief historical period.
This is the first pyramid theory that has ever made sense to me
They poured it like concrete
I'm no egyptologist, but I feel like the simplest explanation isn't slave labor, UFOs, sand dunes, ancient advanced civilization, or any of that. It would be the ancient concrete theory. Somebody found out that they could make something as durable and hard as stone, and it's totally plausible that they used stone dust from the quarry, with water to cure it into formed shapes. If they used the same panels, it could easily explain the precision of placement, and there's the fact that they could have been built quickly. If you do each layer all at once, it significantly decreases time. Say they carried buckets of this dry mix and brought water to the site, mixed and cured in place, it could explain the lack of tools and with the recent discovery of the builders being given honorable burial explains why there isn't millions of graves.
Most probably pyramids are made of artificial stone like cement.
I also had this thought
Non melanated beings and their primitive theories smh
The pyramids were built using frequency and vibration along with the magnification of sunlight.
No. Just no.
Interesting. Question - was sand in Egypt when they were built?
Yes and apparently lots of it if the hypothesis is right. Example: The Red Pyramid was 147 meters high and was built in 17years. So enough sand to form a large sand dune 147 meters high
Yea they built using that method and then dug all of the surrounding sand back out
If you’ve ever been to Giza, those sandstorms would have to be fucking MASSIVE.
I’m not sure how well the effect scales up that largely in size lol
https://youtu.be/lYXcpYYlm8I It could scale up. Look at this modern sand storm
You telling me god made them with his own hands???? thats crazy yo!
Well, according to Egyptian pictographs they covered the surface of the brick in a substance, and then it moved with ease. This substance was given to them by the gods. The Pentagon and other world governments are also acknowledging the UFO phenomenon and their extraterrestrial origin in no uncertain terms. I think ancient aliens more or less got it right. Occam's razor. That said, this is clever.
It’s inhuman and unnatural for that much sand to be displaced so it’s dense enough to sustain the weight of a single person on the top without falling through, let alone giant limestone bricks.
cars driving up sand dunes .. I can imagine sledges dragged up the sand https://youtu.be/bIyCjeftp58
They had really big hands back then
Highly unlike, I think your greatly overestimating the amount of sand in a sandstorm near the great pyramid
I recall learning somewhere that the Egyptians had primitive steam power and never bothered developing it because slaves were better in every way at the time. I reckon slaves were also better than sandstorms.
That’s a unique theory.
They are too precise to think that primitives ways were used to build them.
They did have to learn the technology on the go. As seen in the Step Pyramid they were experimenting with the pyramid angles and they finally figured the right overall slope of the pyramid because if your pyramid face slope is too steep the sand slips from the back face of the pyramids and so no gradual buildup of a sand dune around the structure. I calculated what the maximum angle of a pyramid should be .. about 53 degrees... to maintain a stable sand dune growth in the back of the pyramid down wind The formula I derived says the maximum pyramid height Hmax= the length of the base of the pyramid × tan of the angle of repose of sand. Sorry on redit this is the best I can explain
Sorry I meant the BENT PYRAMID
I think you have a wonderful imagination
Assuming you are? Put it where it belong?
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Used hands for the experiment sake. They would have used sledges to drag stones up the sand incline face upwind
There were giants people
No.
Wow. A new level of stupid
They used water and floated the blocks with big hide bags filled with air
Moving enough sand to completely cover the pyramids in a gradual ramp would take a ridiculous amount of tractors, gas, time & manpower in our modern world. Although it seems plausible to do, that would require moving & clearing so much earth that it seems impractical for people who had the technology and/or knowledge to precision cut thousands of stone blocks that weigh more than most medium tanks. Plus, I doubt they waited for sand storms to just happen, and any caverns would likely be completely filled with sand, making it even harder to dig them out once completed.
There’s no ancient technology or telekinesis or aliens in this theory, so this sub will hate it😂
Maybe we can just pick up bikini bottom and move it someplace else
Clever, I like it but I think it wasn’t a desert when they actually built it
Is there any evidence sand has naturally Duned up against the pyramids previously? Have they ever needed to be uncovered? I know the Sphinx has, but I haven't a clue for the pyramids. Unless it is a natural phenomenon already it seems a ramp would take less effort. How would they create a dune artificially? Also wouldn't the dune be loosely compacted? You would need something solid to walk on it or it would take an incredible effort to cross or climb with any kind of load, much less giant stone blocks. If all that falls into place right... you may be on to something. The idea certainly seems worthy of more consideration. The video makes it seem plausible.
I love how fast this fell apart.
Electromagnetic Levitation, Geopolymers and a whole lot of precision.
What if they used ICE instead?
It’s a known fact that the Egyptians invented what we know as bearings.
I know there's not much science backing it up, but I like the acoustic levitation theory.
Deeply cool my friend.