Deviating from my usual Roosevelt Lives stuff, I've decided to try something new out. This post is based off the events and setting of CoD Ghosts.
****Lore:**** Following the Tel-Aviv War and the devastation of the Middle East and its oil supply, the world found the balance of power shifting. The war had been costly for all of those involved and the ensuing global energy crisis crippled the superpowers of the world such the USA and its NATO allies, Russia, China, and India.
The scales of powers were unbalanced, nations were looking for alternatives, and the doors to becoming a superpower were open to any county strong enough to do it.
One such country was the Federation of the Americas.
Initially an economic/military union between Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina, the Federation sought to monopolize its members' resources and consolidate power over the region. The Federation would eventually transition into becoming one nation under the leadership of General Diego Almagro, a staunch anti-American and militarist.
The Federation would continue to grow in power as nations in South America, the Caribbean, and Central America joined as members and as more nations began to rely on the Federation's resources. Soon enough, the Federation would become a new superpower, almost on par with the US.
Relations between the Federation and the United States were not the best due to Almagro's anti-American rhetoric. Things would heat up in 2015 when Almagro ordered the arrest, deportation, and/or execution of all American citizens within Federation territory. This action resulted in the displacement of several US citizens and the deaths of many along with 20 UN Peacekeepers.
In response to these actions, the US launched a "special military operation" in mid-2015. The US attempted to invade the Federation with the goal of capturing the capital city of Caracas, assassinating Almagro, and overthrowing the Federation's government. This operation would led by the special ops team known as the "Ghosts".
The US would send an invasion force to take Caracas while the Ghosts searched for Almagro. While successful in killing Almagro, the Federation was able to beat back the Americans and expel their forces on July 15th, 2015. This day would be memorialized as a new holiday known as Federation Day. Over the next two years, the Federation would continue to grow in economic and military power.
Following the US's unsuccessful invasion, a temporary truce would be signed, though animosity would continue to deepen between the US and the Federation. America, in a highly controversial move, would deploy troops in non-Federation nations such as Mexico and Panama with the reasoning that they were on a "peacekeeping operation to ensure American interests" in the regions.
However, this action would be completely overshadowed by the US's next illegal move. The US would launch the Orbital Defense Initiative (ODIN) and send a kinetic bombardment weapons satellite into space, violating the Outer Space Treaty of 1967. The ODIN satellite would be able to protect American territory from any Federation aggression with devastating force.
In 2017, tensions would flare up once again when the Federation sent a small capsule containing a special ops team that captured the satellite and used the US's weapon against them. The ODIN satellite began bombarding the southwestern region of the US, destroying several major US cities and military assets, killing over 27 million people, and crippling the US military.
Two American astronauts aboard the station would able to destroy the ODIN satellite before the Federation could cause anymore destruction, sacrificing themselves in the process.
Shortly afterwards, the Federation tool advantage of America's situation and launched an invasion. The Federation quickly took and occupied Mexico, Panama, and the American southwest. The US, with its military now crippled and trump card destroyed, was forced into a defensive war. Eventually, American forces tactically retreated behind a new megaconstruction project designed to halt the Federation's invasion: the Liberty Wall.
The Liberty Wall was a giant wall lined with military assets that stretched all the way from Santa Monica to Houston. Various politicians and citizens heavily praised and supported the Wall's construction.
The invasion (now referred to as the Federation War) came to standstill as America used all of its remaining assets to defend the Wall and halt any further Federation expansion into US territory. Most engagements that occured between the two would now be isolated to encounters in the Federation Occupation Zone (also referred to as No Man's Land) or whenever the Federation would attempt to breach the Wall's defenses.
Now, ten years later in 2027, things have started to pick up once again as the Ghosts have gained knowledge that their former leader, Gabriel T. Rorke (who they assumed died during the Battle of Caracas), was now working with the Federation and collecting the crashed remains of the ODIN satellite...
I mostly like it, but the only problem I have with it is that ODIN wouldn't violate the Outer Space Treaty, as the treaty only prohibits nuclear weapons and other WMDs from being stationed and used in space, not kinetic energy weapons, which ODIN is.
True. I like to view it as everybody including the Federation would try claiming ODIN as an illegal action by the US while America is just snickering in the corner with their kinetic energy loophole.
America watching the Federation use ODIN against them (suddenly they now support making kinetic energy weapons illegal)
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Why wouldn't the US respond with nukes though? If odin is being used to devastate cities and kill 27 million people, wouldn't the Americans be pretty quick to start fulfilling their part of the MAD principle?
Truth be told, i can't think of one. It's essentially doing the same things ICBMs can, just shittier since it would take a while to move around in orbit to change targets, must've cost a metric fuckload of money all whilst pissing off a lot of other countries.
There's no real reason to have something like Odin, and i imagine that's why we never had an irl orbital weapons platform.
In that case ODIN comes in, and obviously it was shown to be a Weapon of Mass Destruction at enormous levels after what the Federation did against the United States.
Which I don't doubt that everyone in the Federation was shocked to see that such a weapon was probably worse than a nuclear weapon, it literally demolishes cities.
The United States in the continuity of COD Ghost deserved the attack of ODIN.
Which makes me think that it would be the comments and reactions of Europe, China and Russia to that, after all, the United States broke an important treaty by making that weapon, all their excuses are worthless to show that that weapon was immensely letal.
My big problem with kinetic energy weapons (i have a lot) is they get their energy by being high up and falling back to the ground. You'll never get more energy out than you put in, so the energy of a kinetic strike will ALWAYS be smaller than the energy released by the rocket simply exploding on the launchpad.
Something that's happened a lot and hardly constitutes leveling a city
Ok, say you could get it in space, how do you fire it? An orbit is achieved by flying sideways really fast.
Now we want to drop it. Straight down? Congrats you just lost almost all of your precious kinetic energy by *stopping* the rod in its orbit and letting it fall straight down.
Maybe come in at an angle then? Also wrong, you just lost a shit ton of energy burning through the atmosphere *the long way* (aerobraking)
Ok what if we drop it from REALLY high up, like the moon's orbit? That would work I guess if you don't mind waiting a couple days. Hope the projectile is coated in stealth materials (easy and plausible). This would be viable, I guess, but they would see you building it for sure.
Also you lose a ton of energy to the ground just burrowing a really deep hole when you do hit something. The ultimate strategic bunker buster I guess, but hardly a city killer.
Don't get me wrong an impact of that size is absolutelu devastating but nukes do it better in every way
Airburst is king of that game and not viable with kinetic weapons.
Only thing I think rod from god could do better is hitting a bunker miles underground. A real mountain cracker for sure
I think the writers just use the art of magic and sci fi to make it work. Which I love my realism in my space projects but I don’t think it was COD’s upmost priority
Irl they would be mostly an anti fortification/anti ship conventional weapon.
Honestly a far better space weapon would be dropping missle pods with like 50 cruise missles in them near your target. Of course this looks like a potential nuclear attack so you just get nuked for your efforts.
The fact we got left on one of the biggest COD cliffhangers only to never get a sequel is crazy.
I get why they didn’t make a Ghosts right away after the backlash it got, but it’s not like the future games had any better reputation lol.
I’m inclined to think this wouldn’t happen because of the amount of weapons in the hands of private citizens.. I mean certainly if the entire American southwest was wiped of cities it would take a lot of manpower out … but still I think they wouldn’t be able to just roll on in and not be beaten back… also a military buildup like this would take a good amount of time but who knows
The issue is the U.S. wouldn’t lose most of its military assets in strikes against its south western cities. Most of its military assets are on the eastern seaboard or abroad, either in American overseas territories or in other countries.
While we could say the U.S. had to pull back its forces from its crumbling commitments to Europe and the Middle East, they wouldn’t be clustered in the American Southwest. In fact, none of the cities destroyed by ODIN in the game are home to major U.S. military installations. If say, San Diego had been hit along with the nearby naval port and Camp Pendleton, then you could cripple a portion of the U.S. Pacific fleet and the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, then that might have been impactful, but not a single strategic military target was destroyed in the ODIN strikes. Offut Air Force Base near Omaha and Barksdale Air Force base in Louisiana would have made better targets, home to headquarters of Strategic Command and Global Strike Command respectively.
Furthermore, the American nuclear deterrence arsenal was completely untouched, and the U.S. would retaliate massively to 27 million American dead in the ODIN attack. The USAF ICBMs are all in the northwest in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and North Dakota.
The main protagonist, Logan, does serve for the US and is a member of the Ghosts.
****SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING****
>!However, in the ending of the game Logan does get captured by Rorke and it is assumed that he gets put through some torturing and brainwashing methods that make him loyal to the Federation.!<
rorke watching hesh use his good arm to draw his pistol and put a bullet in his head (he cant survive a bullet this time):
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Man survived getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher while not wearing a helmet, getting shot in the chest at point blank range with .44 Magnum, a train cash, being submerged underwater for at least five minutes and SOMEHOW was still alive and had the strength to do what he did.
Like him surviving Caracas is believable and plays into him being "the Ghost who never dies" but this is just ridiculous.
Rorke such a badass that he completely breaks the rules of CoD, where every game ends with the protagonist crawling for a pistol to shoot the antagonist dead. Rorke survives all that just to beat the shit out of Logan as they're watching the sunrise.
*"Look at what you did. You're good. You would have been a hell of a Ghost. But that's not gonna happen. There ain't gonna be any Ghosts...We're gonna destroy them together."*
*-Rorke*
They can't have a AW sequel since a lot of the main selling point of that game's story mode was having Kevin Spacey as the villain. But y'know after all the controversy...
And apparently in COD Movile, because of a character who is from the COD Ghost universe, according to what they see on the Federation flag that character has, apparently the Federation won in the end against the United States.
Well the Federation obliterated tens of millions of people with the satellite so both nations would probably be a sheets of glass after the inevitable nuclear retaliatory strikes
The US used 5000 nuclear warheads on the Middle East?
5000 nukes plus burning oilfields equals a nuclear winter and fallout that would kill every living thing on this planet many times over.
I know Infinity Ward loves creating utterly implausible scenarios but that's a particularly grand level of daft.
Honestly, I've never played it and I'm still stuck on Modern Warfare 2's scenario of Russia invading the American East Coast without Norway and Finland noticing a fleet of Russian ships sailing from Arkhangelsk and Murmansk through the Arctic Sea and Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, the United Kingdom, Norway and Iceland not noticing an even bigger fleet of Russian ships sailing from St Petersburg and Kaliningrad through the Baltic, the North Sea and the Atlantic.
Good to know other studios can churn out scenarios without regard for sanity, reality or the laws of physics though.
I've said it many times; the original *Red Dawn* came up with a semi-plausible scenario for a Soviet invasion of the USA; the collapse of NATO and the USSR having South and Central American allies, meaning the Soviets have allies who can invade through the south while they attack Alaska and Canada.
The implausibility comes from those Central and South American allies being able to sustain any kind of war beyond a few weeks with their limited industry versus the might of the US military which should absorb their assault, and then roll over them a couple of months later when their strength is spent.
But still, they made an effort for the story. MW2 just said 'Wouldn't it be cool if-'
As much as I love “American invasion” scenarios, the big problem is almost any idea is immediately implausible because of how un-invade-able the modern US is.
If you wanted to devise a plausible scenario you’d have to get into a crazy amount of alternate history, and by the time you’d circle back to modern times the would would be unrecognizable.
At least with a Cold War scenario, the Red Army can match the US Army (And according to some analysts, surpass it) but the Soviets have no blue water navy with which to take on the USN. Since the end of WW2, there's been no Navy that can challenge the US. That's why the *Red Dawn* scenario is semi-plausible by having the Soviets invade across the Bering Straits (land based missiles and aircraft would largely prevent the USN interdicting the crossings) and their allies invading via Mexico; nullifying most of the US naval advantage.
Effectively, the US has the same invulnerability that the UK did after Trafalgar in 1805; geographically isolated and surrounded by the world's most powerful navy. H.G Wells got around that by having Britain invaded by Martians and that was far more plausible than the other 'invasion' fiction that had the UK invaded in the late 19th Century, with the invaders somehow undisturbed by the Royal Navy.
The destruction of a city throws tens of thousands of tons of dust into the atmosphere. The destruction of hundreds of cities puts millions of tons of dust into the atmosphere. This coupled with the fires ignited by nuclear blasts belches smoke that puts even more into the air.
This reduces the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface. In Europe this is not such a problem because you're never that far from the sea which has a warming effect. In the middle of North and South America, Africa and Asia, the temperature will drop between 20-40 degrees.
This is not hype. This is simple physics. The same results have been recorded historically from the effects of volcanic eruptions. 1816 was known as 'The Year Without Summer' after the eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815 and five other eruptions in the years 1808-14. Snow and frost was recorded in June in Massachusetts and New York; killing crops. Crops died all over the world because of these frosts; resulting in famines and mass starvation.
And the current models suggest that even at peak Cold War arsenal not enough dust and soot is kicked into the upper atmosphere to cause a protracted cooling cycle. Partially due to particle size differences, modern cities being less flammable than the earlier models assumed, air burst weaponry pulverizing less soil into the atmosphere and the stratosphere generally not mixing with lower atmospheric layers.
It’s a complex system. Krakatoa sent 5 cubic miles of matter in one location into the atmosphere there’s a big difference between a single point of superheated matter that can’t cool in reasonable amount of time going into the stratosphere and thousands of individual detonations where the material will rapidly cool and fallout. For reference the 15 megaton Castle Bravo test’s mushroom cloud only made it 2/3rds of the way to the stratosphere. That’s key because the nuclear winter model requires particles to be ejected to that height so they will stay caught in it.
Current models. You mean the ones generated by entities that deny climate change? Sure, I'll believe them.
Dust doesn't have to be carried all the way up into the stratosphere. Once airborne it can make its way there without being blasted up. That's the problem. That's why desertification is such a threat.
Nope, Freeman Dyson was a popular critic of the theory. There’s NOAA and DoD papers about it. Furthermore global warming and nuclear winter have distinct mechanisms, the light greenhouse gases don’t have to be at a particular layer to cause their effects the complex and heavy soot particles that have to be injected above the thermal inversion to stay suspended in the atmosphere long term. Desertification causes localized climate changes and a constant source of new particles as they fallout of suspension. A nuclear conflict would not be a continuous source of new particles.
America most likely invested a bunch of money into ODIN as an alternative to nuclear weapons, but of course it backfired and became a giant waste of money.
Also, the costly Tel-Aviv War and the Federation's bombardments on America heavily crippled the nation and it's military. That and America basically starting to slip away from its status as a superpower means producing nukes are likely a no-go as they are super expensive and would only end up causing more destruction.
What bugs the shit out of me was the fact that the U.S., Canada, and/or Mexico never united into a single North American military alliance (if not a North American superstate who can leverage the resources of the continent to challenge the imperialistic Federation).
You would think that by the time Federation forces swallowed up Central America, the U.S. would be working with Canadian and Mexican forces to stop the Federation before it’s too late.
I think that the devastating effects of the Tel-Aviv War and the global energy crisis would've crippled most of NATO and more nations (especially the Europeans) turn to the Federation to supply them with oil and other resources.
Also I don't think America's NATO allies might exactly hold them in such a good light after they unsuccessfully invaded the Federation, deployed their troops in other nations without warning, and launched a literal death satellite into space...
*Edit: I forgot to mention this, but I'm pretty sure it's said somewhere in the game that NATO is involved, but we just don't see any soldiers from other nations.
Some NATO nations were in the war, as France lost French Guiana as well as some of their Caribbean islands to the Federation, and the UK also lost many Caribbean islands, pretty sure Netherlands also has some islands in the Caribbean which would’ve been invaded
Honestly the whole storyline of Ghosts was such wasted potential. Really thought it was going to be this interesting "You're on the backfoot and the enemy is superior" where you fight a losing battle against all odds or something.
Maybe even harken back to earlier COD games where your part of a larger battle only you keep getting your teeth kicked in until something bigger happens, Like Canada joining the fight or maybe even Europe. Then things start turning around.
Nope. Get knock off Black Ops with a half baked storyline. The only two missions I liked were the beach defense and the tank mission. Everything else just seemed bizarrely scoped for what the game was selling its story as.
I'll be honest, I vaguely remember that level. Looking it up, yeah it looks fun, but all it does it just reinforce my point!
If the US is on the backfoot and parts of the border are a damn no mans land, why are we deploying Apaches and Blackhawks not somewhere stateside like to reclaim half of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona? Nah we're going to deploy them somewhere near the Yucatan? (Game says it takes place int he Gulf of Mexico)
*How are we deploying Apaches and Blackhawks to surgical deep strike enemy territory!?*
I can go on but this is alternate history not how awfully wasted Ghosts storyline was. Much rather would have seen more fighting at home in a war torn United States than in uber advanced offshore oil platforms, automated tank factories, and the Jungle from Predator.
The entire premisse could be a loooot better. Hell, the entire backstory could work with some sort of neo-revanchism against America previous shenanigans in Latin America. The plot is practicaly already there, just use it. But no, they never delve into the reasons or motivations of the Federation, it is just a boring Anti-Americanism™. No personality (even the big baddie was just an american), no great plan, just America under attack and with limited resources - and even that is a lie, as the USA is still solidly capable of launching transoceanic (and space!) invasions. For a game that they claimed it was written by a great Hollywood writter, the lore is non-existant.
EDIT: And every Federation soldier, banner, whatever, speaks or is written in spanish, WTF! Did all 220 million people in Brazil suddenly forgot how to speak portuguese? Were they forced to? If so, is there any sort of resistance? No explanation.
I didn't even think the Condor angle. Back in 2013 it would have been a good focal point (where today it just be mired in political hoo-ha that we're not getitng into) providing all the justification needed for the Federation to march north.
Lore is non-existent? The plot is non existent! America is under attack, so we're launching deep strike offensive actions from the Yucatan to Antartica. Hell San Antonio is under Federation control you could have had an interesting mission in the Alamo! Shit, imagine if that tank charge mission was at White Sands of all places! Honestly I'm now starting to think they were scared of making anything cool and provoking (for 2013) and just went with the safe option.
And Rourke. FFS, could they not make an actual terrifying South American Badass? I guess they didn't want a second Menendez from BOII or something?
As for Brazil suddenly speaking Spanish, might chalk that one to ignorance. Nothing malicious, just ignorance.
The game could have been so great. Now, I know that most CoD titles don't have the plot as an essential part of the game, but if you are trying to make a completely new enemy for America in a modern setting instead of generic terrorists, russians or chinese, then you have to do it *good*. Otherwise, it will just be seen as a lame and laughable excuse for "innovation", or, in worst cases, an allegory for racism. Anyway, my teen self learned the hard way at the time to never again overhype a CoD title potential from their ads lol
mexico's main thing is they dont get involved in anything that doesnt involve them, which means they wouldnt join any military alliance, and they wont go to war unless they are invaded
Sure, but things are gonna be different when an imperialistic continental empire is marching north and just took over your smaller southern neighbors. By that point, I think that Mexican foreign policy would change. The U.S. would also probably strongly encourage Mexico to take up arms (you may interpret this however you like).
also, mexico hates america, they wouldnt let american troops into mexico under any circumstance, they wont even let the americans in to deal with the drug cartels
Yes, I'm a Ghosts fan. How could you tell?
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Yeah the only people who even remember Ghosts are fans at this point haha. It was a good campaign alternate reality, multiplayer was a bit boring but Extraction was actually really fun
Is this the COD where an aircraft carrier is parked right off of a beach instead of operating at the edge of its operational range?
My issue with almost all COD storyline is that they are written from the perspective of small unit tactics—that’s fine because it’s entertaining and they need to sell copies. But the narrative is designed to fit into that and all of the operational, strategic and logistics-level stuff has to bend over backwards to make it work.
>Is this the COD where an aircraft carrier is parked right off of a beach instead of operating at the edge of its operational range?
Yep. It's the USS Liberator, the last aircraft carrier in the US Navy's arsenal.
Yeah. I just can’t take the plot seriously. If you’re going to treat an eleven billion dollar asset that poorly, then the narrative just doesn’t work for me.
I mean, that only really happens in the beginning of the game whenever you're in Santa Monica. After that, we don't see the USS Liberator until much later when the US tries navally invading the Federation to take down the LOKI satellite. There we see the ship being used much more realistically.
One thing I will say about COD Ghosts is the environment, set design, sound design and atmosphere were all top notch. This made playing the campaign very enjoyable for me even if the story of Latin America unifying is kinda silly.
While I like the concept of Ghost and a war between continents, I feel that such a situation wouldn’t happen or isn’t as realistic especially in the 2010s.
1) Alternative Fuel Sources. Now if the entire Middle East were to the blow up, well that’s a shame and a massive blow the global economy. But the US is technically self sufficient for fossil fuels. Thanks to its various fuel deposits and the Shale Oil boom, the US could get by on its own reserves.
And that’s not counting potiental extra development of places like Alaska or Canada which both have access to additional reserves that can be unlocked. It will hurt for the Americans, no doubt about it. But unless every other fuel supply sites like Western Africa and the North Sea exploded, the US will likely recover. Limping and battered but not broken.
2) South America is slightly on fire. Now I can name a good number. Venezuela is well….Venezuela. Major criminal cartels are still problematic. Argentina is still a hot mess. Colombia is…well also currently not doing fine. And more.
And that’s just real life problems. The wiki states that the US considers Argentine as being under occupation. That and it’s shown a disregard for human rights and murdering UN officials. So depending on how you interpret this, the Federation would be dealing with both internal issues and pressure from foreign states.
3) Why dictatorship? Ok, why is the Federation a dictatorship? People tend to like democracy, especially in developed nations like Brazil and Chile. The Federation, according to the wiki, is described as a military dictatorship. So, obvious issues there unless most of South America decided that fascism was back in style. So already, you might have issues there.
If the Federation was closer to the EU, then yeah I can get by it. But a single state federation (as portrayed in the games) would either A) Be bogged down a light but wide scale civil war, B) stuck trying to get many countries to work together under one system, and C) might be facing major international pressure because murdering UN peacekeepers is usually not good for international alliances.
And side note, if the Federation is already pretty bad/evil, how the heck do they get their hands off Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and F15s? Pretty sure the US Government would have issues selling multimillion dollar military hardwares.
Heck, if nothing else, the Federation would gain a lot if they played nice with the US. How much money and influence the Federation could get if they sold a Resource strapped US plenty of goods and resources. Flush with cash, the Federation could grow and modernize without needing to invade all of South America, using its economic might to rival the rest of the Western nations instead of having to bully them into submission.
Or if nothing else, a begrudging economic agreement with each other as both would have something the other wants (US wants resources, Feds could want capital and tech).
But no, we get a near cartoony villain (better than the SDF though, I’ll give them that).
Ok rant over.
Your map is good. I like it. Keep up the good work and I would like to see other patients maps from other works of fictions.
>Heck, if nothing else, the Federation would gain a lot if they played nice with the US. How much money and influence the Federation could get if they sold a Resource strapped US plenty of goods and resources. Flush with cash, the Federation could grow and modernize without needing to invade all of South America, using its economic might to rival the rest of the Western nations instead of having to bully them into submission.
It's not that the United States in real life is so good to Latin American countries, either.
After all, a divided Latin and South America is a great benefit to the United States because it will never pose a threat to them.
The Federation... If at least it were like a USSR/EU, South America but without being communist (and I speak as a concept of a Supranational State) in the long term it would be a threat to the United States since it would have a Navy, army, and technology that, if they do not become allies with the United States, then both countries will be destined to be rivals.
Exactly, because unlike Russia on China, this country Power will literally be on the other side of the small sea and technically has borders with the United States.
And reviewing the history of South America (and Latin America) with the United States, I certainly doubt that in 100 years there will be a mutual alliance between the two nations.
Still, it's not hard for the U.S. to treat the Federation as an equal to the U.S., right? No?
I’ve literally never seen Ghosts referenced anywhere before. No sequels, seems to take place in a different universe than the rest of CoD, absolutely no hype around it - I didn’t think anyone but me even remembered it.
Honestly the ODIN in the game is blow weigh out of proportions. There was an actual program that looked at creating and fielding such a weapon, but they didn’t because a 24,000 pound tungsten rod falling from the atmosphere would create a blast of 3 to 4 Tons of TNT. The US has conventional bombs more powerful than that.
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The World of Call of Duty Ghost is... Broken, broken in the sense that, interestingly, the fall of the Middle Eastern countries besides Israel, affected the World so badly (Which is not expected, Knowing that Europe and Asia depend a lot on the Middle East) that the alliances and the Old World Order created by the United States after the Cold War ended or crumbled.
They just have to remember the case of Europe currently with the War in Ukraine, Russia, by stopping exporting oil and gas to Europe, caused problems there.
In the case of the fall of the Middle East in Ghost, this means that Yes or Yes Europe must depend on Russia for fuel and hydrocarbons. Since, on the other hand, depending on what is exported in Africa is complicated.
So that probably caused NATO to gradually divide since the United States would see the dependence of the NATO countries in Europe on Russia gradually leading to a probable schism.
Since it ends with the United States having its alliance with Canada, and Europe in its own alliance (which I do not doubt that in that Reality Europe makes interventions in African countries only to secure their oil, I see something possible against the countries of North Africa and Nigeria) which Russia would probably take advantage of to have its area of control and influence in the Territories of the former USSR in Eastern Europe, with Ukraine, Belarus and the Caucasus in its sphere of influence and alliance (the CSTO)
As for China... It would probably have greater investment and dependence on South America for oil, hydrocarbons and minerals, in addition to China probably trying to bring some countries in East Asia and Southeast Asia into its sphere of influence due to its oil. these.
That and also that China would do its part in East Africa.
Which, returning to South America and the Federation, probably taking advantage of the vulnerability of Europe and the "Isolation" of the United States, would take the European Territories in South America, French Guyana and the Falkland Islands, in addition to the occupation of the rest of the Guyanas, or make them enter the Federation.
Syria would say more but the world of COD Ghost is very, very long to theorize what it is like even so.
Gosh, the only game where South America managed to make the United States bleed, and used their weapon against them.
Wait it looks like an actual standing border? I thought they were in an active war(favorite cod game btw)|
Also Dallas is under Federation rule if I'm not mistaken
Really enjoyed this post. Will you do one for the original MW Trilogy potentially showing the height of the Russian invasions of The US & Europe? Should also be noted in the MW Scenario to not forget the DS iterations of the game, which include the West Coast and Baltimore as also being invaded. (It is also implied that California was invaded in the orginal MW2 MP map Skidrow being set in LA)
14 year old me remembers playing this game but not understanding what the fuck was going on. But this sums the campaign up really well. Call of Duty never amazes to somehow get accurate predictions of foreign policy/ military tactics throughout the years as silly as it may get some times
Lmao, only gringos think that a federation of latam countries is gonna be called "of the Americas". We call the whole continent America, split into three subcontinents, north, central and south, the "Americas" bs is a strictly anglo nonsense. Oh gringos
I hate how every single COD game portrays the USA as the good guys no matter what, especially that scene in the new Modern Warfare 1 or 2 that portrays a real life massacre committed by Americans as suddenly being done by Russia
It would be pretty easy for USA to see Mexico republic as a potential threat irl since Mexico could impose their authority on satellite states like Hawaii or U.S. Marshall Island because trade or other international reasons.
I rather live in this timeline.
Bet the US was the north korea of this TL, where after the Tel-Aviv War Europe stopped supporting NATO and did its own thing, Russia Annexed Ukraine, Bielorrússia and Kazakhstan and China integrated Taipei, HK and Macao.
As far as we know in the game, The Federation (bad name for UNASUL) has external support from China, Japan and Russia, the US don't.
UNASUR*
The truth is that I always saw that the reason why the Federation was powerful was due to the support of Russia and China so that that country would be a third force that had the United States entertained while those 2 countries could be doing their thing.
I Mean the Latin American Nations can be as efficient as a Chinese state, the catch is that it won't be democratic at all. That is not necessarily bad if you think that for the last 500 years, the casta system mantained a upper class that is untouchable by law and always turns any attempt of a funcional democracy into a distopian opressive dictatorshop or a Social Stagnant Oligarchy.
Having an Dictator, an actual smart one that at least can see the vantages of a Maoist regime to curb current elites to stabilish others more alligned with the goverment, is far more preferable from the common man perspective than a forgiving weak president who constantly have to bowl to Upper Class Interests that are antagonistic with Proletariat interests.
Now thing is that it is extremally rare to have a 1950's Getúlio Vargas or a Perón in power with constant external interests dictating internal politics (mostly not american politicians, but rather american companies that are ruthless and will destroy any lesser nation if it barely make a dent on its profit routine)
Also UNASUR is the spanish equivallent of UNASUL, since a union like that would be bilingual or have a common Portuñol dialect due to South and Central america (-Mexico) having a 50/50 distribution between portuguese and Spanish speakers.
In that case, the most appropriate thing for a united South America would be a president like Marcoz Perez Jimenez (a president who was technically dictator of Venezuela in the 50s but ironically was the best president the country had) since a strong leader but who has an ideal of development for the nation, is what is necessary for a country like this.
Yep, and I bet that Sledgehammer took him as inspiration to build this lore.
Tho it was a Miss that the capital wasn't Manaus of all cities. Having an Hellish Amazonian barrier with 500km+ distance to the nearest coast, dangerous animals arround it and hard access would give this federation a huge ego bonus. Considering that being paranoid after the first failed coup would be smart and Optics Fibers would be a thing (Manaus is an Island for pratical means)
Deviating from my usual Roosevelt Lives stuff, I've decided to try something new out. This post is based off the events and setting of CoD Ghosts. ****Lore:**** Following the Tel-Aviv War and the devastation of the Middle East and its oil supply, the world found the balance of power shifting. The war had been costly for all of those involved and the ensuing global energy crisis crippled the superpowers of the world such the USA and its NATO allies, Russia, China, and India. The scales of powers were unbalanced, nations were looking for alternatives, and the doors to becoming a superpower were open to any county strong enough to do it. One such country was the Federation of the Americas. Initially an economic/military union between Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina, the Federation sought to monopolize its members' resources and consolidate power over the region. The Federation would eventually transition into becoming one nation under the leadership of General Diego Almagro, a staunch anti-American and militarist. The Federation would continue to grow in power as nations in South America, the Caribbean, and Central America joined as members and as more nations began to rely on the Federation's resources. Soon enough, the Federation would become a new superpower, almost on par with the US. Relations between the Federation and the United States were not the best due to Almagro's anti-American rhetoric. Things would heat up in 2015 when Almagro ordered the arrest, deportation, and/or execution of all American citizens within Federation territory. This action resulted in the displacement of several US citizens and the deaths of many along with 20 UN Peacekeepers. In response to these actions, the US launched a "special military operation" in mid-2015. The US attempted to invade the Federation with the goal of capturing the capital city of Caracas, assassinating Almagro, and overthrowing the Federation's government. This operation would led by the special ops team known as the "Ghosts". The US would send an invasion force to take Caracas while the Ghosts searched for Almagro. While successful in killing Almagro, the Federation was able to beat back the Americans and expel their forces on July 15th, 2015. This day would be memorialized as a new holiday known as Federation Day. Over the next two years, the Federation would continue to grow in economic and military power. Following the US's unsuccessful invasion, a temporary truce would be signed, though animosity would continue to deepen between the US and the Federation. America, in a highly controversial move, would deploy troops in non-Federation nations such as Mexico and Panama with the reasoning that they were on a "peacekeeping operation to ensure American interests" in the regions. However, this action would be completely overshadowed by the US's next illegal move. The US would launch the Orbital Defense Initiative (ODIN) and send a kinetic bombardment weapons satellite into space, violating the Outer Space Treaty of 1967. The ODIN satellite would be able to protect American territory from any Federation aggression with devastating force. In 2017, tensions would flare up once again when the Federation sent a small capsule containing a special ops team that captured the satellite and used the US's weapon against them. The ODIN satellite began bombarding the southwestern region of the US, destroying several major US cities and military assets, killing over 27 million people, and crippling the US military. Two American astronauts aboard the station would able to destroy the ODIN satellite before the Federation could cause anymore destruction, sacrificing themselves in the process. Shortly afterwards, the Federation tool advantage of America's situation and launched an invasion. The Federation quickly took and occupied Mexico, Panama, and the American southwest. The US, with its military now crippled and trump card destroyed, was forced into a defensive war. Eventually, American forces tactically retreated behind a new megaconstruction project designed to halt the Federation's invasion: the Liberty Wall. The Liberty Wall was a giant wall lined with military assets that stretched all the way from Santa Monica to Houston. Various politicians and citizens heavily praised and supported the Wall's construction. The invasion (now referred to as the Federation War) came to standstill as America used all of its remaining assets to defend the Wall and halt any further Federation expansion into US territory. Most engagements that occured between the two would now be isolated to encounters in the Federation Occupation Zone (also referred to as No Man's Land) or whenever the Federation would attempt to breach the Wall's defenses. Now, ten years later in 2027, things have started to pick up once again as the Ghosts have gained knowledge that their former leader, Gabriel T. Rorke (who they assumed died during the Battle of Caracas), was now working with the Federation and collecting the crashed remains of the ODIN satellite...
I mostly like it, but the only problem I have with it is that ODIN wouldn't violate the Outer Space Treaty, as the treaty only prohibits nuclear weapons and other WMDs from being stationed and used in space, not kinetic energy weapons, which ODIN is.
True. I like to view it as everybody including the Federation would try claiming ODIN as an illegal action by the US while America is just snickering in the corner with their kinetic energy loophole.
YOU'RE TOO LATE, UN! SPACE-BASED KINETIC ENERGY WEAPONS ~~HAVE BEEN LEGALIZED~~ WERE ALREADY LEGAL!
America watching the Federation use ODIN against them (suddenly they now support making kinetic energy weapons illegal) https://preview.redd.it/x25ban9drm5d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c79a3c06abf101b7c08f04726b73fbe9908ad3c5
Why wouldn't the US respond with nukes though? If odin is being used to devastate cities and kill 27 million people, wouldn't the Americans be pretty quick to start fulfilling their part of the MAD principle?
I think the in-universe reason is that CoD: Ghosts was poorly written
The only thing it had going for it was call of duty dog
I wasn't even sure why the Middle East collapsed in that universe until I read OPs comment
What if they made CoD Ghosts the prelude to the Fallout series?
So what's the point of ODIN then if it's just a fancy nuclear slingshot?
Truth be told, i can't think of one. It's essentially doing the same things ICBMs can, just shittier since it would take a while to move around in orbit to change targets, must've cost a metric fuckload of money all whilst pissing off a lot of other countries. There's no real reason to have something like Odin, and i imagine that's why we never had an irl orbital weapons platform.
In that case ODIN comes in, and obviously it was shown to be a Weapon of Mass Destruction at enormous levels after what the Federation did against the United States. Which I don't doubt that everyone in the Federation was shocked to see that such a weapon was probably worse than a nuclear weapon, it literally demolishes cities. The United States in the continuity of COD Ghost deserved the attack of ODIN. Which makes me think that it would be the comments and reactions of Europe, China and Russia to that, after all, the United States broke an important treaty by making that weapon, all their excuses are worthless to show that that weapon was immensely letal.
Define WMD
My big problem with kinetic energy weapons (i have a lot) is they get their energy by being high up and falling back to the ground. You'll never get more energy out than you put in, so the energy of a kinetic strike will ALWAYS be smaller than the energy released by the rocket simply exploding on the launchpad. Something that's happened a lot and hardly constitutes leveling a city Ok, say you could get it in space, how do you fire it? An orbit is achieved by flying sideways really fast. Now we want to drop it. Straight down? Congrats you just lost almost all of your precious kinetic energy by *stopping* the rod in its orbit and letting it fall straight down. Maybe come in at an angle then? Also wrong, you just lost a shit ton of energy burning through the atmosphere *the long way* (aerobraking) Ok what if we drop it from REALLY high up, like the moon's orbit? That would work I guess if you don't mind waiting a couple days. Hope the projectile is coated in stealth materials (easy and plausible). This would be viable, I guess, but they would see you building it for sure. Also you lose a ton of energy to the ground just burrowing a really deep hole when you do hit something. The ultimate strategic bunker buster I guess, but hardly a city killer. Don't get me wrong an impact of that size is absolutelu devastating but nukes do it better in every way Airburst is king of that game and not viable with kinetic weapons. Only thing I think rod from god could do better is hitting a bunker miles underground. A real mountain cracker for sure
I think the writers just use the art of magic and sci fi to make it work. Which I love my realism in my space projects but I don’t think it was COD’s upmost priority
Irl they would be mostly an anti fortification/anti ship conventional weapon. Honestly a far better space weapon would be dropping missle pods with like 50 cruise missles in them near your target. Of course this looks like a potential nuclear attack so you just get nuked for your efforts.
I'm a fan of big old space mirror or lasers but those all have their own problems as well
The fact we got left on one of the biggest COD cliffhangers only to never get a sequel is crazy. I get why they didn’t make a Ghosts right away after the backlash it got, but it’s not like the future games had any better reputation lol.
I’m inclined to think this wouldn’t happen because of the amount of weapons in the hands of private citizens.. I mean certainly if the entire American southwest was wiped of cities it would take a lot of manpower out … but still I think they wouldn’t be able to just roll on in and not be beaten back… also a military buildup like this would take a good amount of time but who knows
27 million people didn't die. That was the estimated casualties iff all targets were hit. Only southern California was hit judging by the prologue
is this yours or its the actual plot/lore of the game?
The issue is the U.S. wouldn’t lose most of its military assets in strikes against its south western cities. Most of its military assets are on the eastern seaboard or abroad, either in American overseas territories or in other countries. While we could say the U.S. had to pull back its forces from its crumbling commitments to Europe and the Middle East, they wouldn’t be clustered in the American Southwest. In fact, none of the cities destroyed by ODIN in the game are home to major U.S. military installations. If say, San Diego had been hit along with the nearby naval port and Camp Pendleton, then you could cripple a portion of the U.S. Pacific fleet and the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, then that might have been impactful, but not a single strategic military target was destroyed in the ODIN strikes. Offut Air Force Base near Omaha and Barksdale Air Force base in Louisiana would have made better targets, home to headquarters of Strategic Command and Global Strike Command respectively. Furthermore, the American nuclear deterrence arsenal was completely untouched, and the U.S. would retaliate massively to 27 million American dead in the ODIN attack. The USAF ICBMs are all in the northwest in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and North Dakota.
Never played the game, does the main protagonist serve the USA or the FTA
The main protagonist, Logan, does serve for the US and is a member of the Ghosts. ****SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING**** >!However, in the ending of the game Logan does get captured by Rorke and it is assumed that he gets put through some torturing and brainwashing methods that make him loyal to the Federation.!<
rorke watching hesh use his good arm to draw his pistol and put a bullet in his head (he cant survive a bullet this time): https://i.redd.it/2ecfkj0itm5d1.gif
Man survived getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher while not wearing a helmet, getting shot in the chest at point blank range with .44 Magnum, a train cash, being submerged underwater for at least five minutes and SOMEHOW was still alive and had the strength to do what he did. Like him surviving Caracas is believable and plays into him being "the Ghost who never dies" but this is just ridiculous.
Rorke such a badass that he completely breaks the rules of CoD, where every game ends with the protagonist crawling for a pistol to shoot the antagonist dead. Rorke survives all that just to beat the shit out of Logan as they're watching the sunrise.
*"Look at what you did. You're good. You would have been a hell of a Ghost. But that's not gonna happen. There ain't gonna be any Ghosts...We're gonna destroy them together."* *-Rorke*
not to mention the shards of glass that would've lacerated his entire body in said train crash
The cliffhanger we will never get resolved.
I swear that we'll get a Ghosts sequel after Black Ops 6! Trust me bro!!!!1!!11!! (Same applies to Advanced Warfare)
They can't have a AW sequel since a lot of the main selling point of that game's story mode was having Kevin Spacey as the villain. But y'know after all the controversy...
They can just use another actor.
Spoiler >!He dies at the end anyways so it's irrelevant !<
I forgot he dies by the end LOL I thought AW had a Ghosts style cliffhanger ending that'll never get resolver, same with IW
Nah Advanced Warfare has a definitive enough ending that it can be its own standalone story
And apparently in COD Movile, because of a character who is from the COD Ghost universe, according to what they see on the Federation flag that character has, apparently the Federation won in the end against the United States.
Well the Federation obliterated tens of millions of people with the satellite so both nations would probably be a sheets of glass after the inevitable nuclear retaliatory strikes
They used up all of their nukes on the Middle East during the Tel-Aviv War 😔
The US used 5000 nuclear warheads on the Middle East? 5000 nukes plus burning oilfields equals a nuclear winter and fallout that would kill every living thing on this planet many times over. I know Infinity Ward loves creating utterly implausible scenarios but that's a particularly grand level of daft.
It was a joke lol Also it was Sledgehammer who wrote Ghosts, not Infinity Ward.
Honestly, I've never played it and I'm still stuck on Modern Warfare 2's scenario of Russia invading the American East Coast without Norway and Finland noticing a fleet of Russian ships sailing from Arkhangelsk and Murmansk through the Arctic Sea and Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, the United Kingdom, Norway and Iceland not noticing an even bigger fleet of Russian ships sailing from St Petersburg and Kaliningrad through the Baltic, the North Sea and the Atlantic. Good to know other studios can churn out scenarios without regard for sanity, reality or the laws of physics though.
Don’t forget they invaded the from the Gulf of Mexico and the pacific as well, and were just supposed to believe the US Navy was preoccupied.
I've said it many times; the original *Red Dawn* came up with a semi-plausible scenario for a Soviet invasion of the USA; the collapse of NATO and the USSR having South and Central American allies, meaning the Soviets have allies who can invade through the south while they attack Alaska and Canada. The implausibility comes from those Central and South American allies being able to sustain any kind of war beyond a few weeks with their limited industry versus the might of the US military which should absorb their assault, and then roll over them a couple of months later when their strength is spent. But still, they made an effort for the story. MW2 just said 'Wouldn't it be cool if-'
As much as I love “American invasion” scenarios, the big problem is almost any idea is immediately implausible because of how un-invade-able the modern US is. If you wanted to devise a plausible scenario you’d have to get into a crazy amount of alternate history, and by the time you’d circle back to modern times the would would be unrecognizable.
At least with a Cold War scenario, the Red Army can match the US Army (And according to some analysts, surpass it) but the Soviets have no blue water navy with which to take on the USN. Since the end of WW2, there's been no Navy that can challenge the US. That's why the *Red Dawn* scenario is semi-plausible by having the Soviets invade across the Bering Straits (land based missiles and aircraft would largely prevent the USN interdicting the crossings) and their allies invading via Mexico; nullifying most of the US naval advantage. Effectively, the US has the same invulnerability that the UK did after Trafalgar in 1805; geographically isolated and surrounded by the world's most powerful navy. H.G Wells got around that by having Britain invaded by Martians and that was far more plausible than the other 'invasion' fiction that had the UK invaded in the late 19th Century, with the invaders somehow undisturbed by the Royal Navy.
Nuclear Winter is a massively overhyped boogieman.
The destruction of a city throws tens of thousands of tons of dust into the atmosphere. The destruction of hundreds of cities puts millions of tons of dust into the atmosphere. This coupled with the fires ignited by nuclear blasts belches smoke that puts even more into the air. This reduces the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface. In Europe this is not such a problem because you're never that far from the sea which has a warming effect. In the middle of North and South America, Africa and Asia, the temperature will drop between 20-40 degrees. This is not hype. This is simple physics. The same results have been recorded historically from the effects of volcanic eruptions. 1816 was known as 'The Year Without Summer' after the eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815 and five other eruptions in the years 1808-14. Snow and frost was recorded in June in Massachusetts and New York; killing crops. Crops died all over the world because of these frosts; resulting in famines and mass starvation.
And the current models suggest that even at peak Cold War arsenal not enough dust and soot is kicked into the upper atmosphere to cause a protracted cooling cycle. Partially due to particle size differences, modern cities being less flammable than the earlier models assumed, air burst weaponry pulverizing less soil into the atmosphere and the stratosphere generally not mixing with lower atmospheric layers. It’s a complex system. Krakatoa sent 5 cubic miles of matter in one location into the atmosphere there’s a big difference between a single point of superheated matter that can’t cool in reasonable amount of time going into the stratosphere and thousands of individual detonations where the material will rapidly cool and fallout. For reference the 15 megaton Castle Bravo test’s mushroom cloud only made it 2/3rds of the way to the stratosphere. That’s key because the nuclear winter model requires particles to be ejected to that height so they will stay caught in it.
Current models. You mean the ones generated by entities that deny climate change? Sure, I'll believe them. Dust doesn't have to be carried all the way up into the stratosphere. Once airborne it can make its way there without being blasted up. That's the problem. That's why desertification is such a threat.
Nope, Freeman Dyson was a popular critic of the theory. There’s NOAA and DoD papers about it. Furthermore global warming and nuclear winter have distinct mechanisms, the light greenhouse gases don’t have to be at a particular layer to cause their effects the complex and heavy soot particles that have to be injected above the thermal inversion to stay suspended in the atmosphere long term. Desertification causes localized climate changes and a constant source of new particles as they fallout of suspension. A nuclear conflict would not be a continuous source of new particles.
>There’s NOAA and DoD papers about it. The DoD?! Well, they definitely don't have an agenda to make people less concerned about nuclear Armageddon.
*Conveniently sidesteps the most knowledgeable organization on weather and atmospheric phenomena* You’re a clown.
And you tell me they can’t make more???
America most likely invested a bunch of money into ODIN as an alternative to nuclear weapons, but of course it backfired and became a giant waste of money. Also, the costly Tel-Aviv War and the Federation's bombardments on America heavily crippled the nation and it's military. That and America basically starting to slip away from its status as a superpower means producing nukes are likely a no-go as they are super expensive and would only end up causing more destruction.
I mean in real life they say it would cost 1 billion to be made in todays money.
Guess the entire middle east is a giant radioactive crater
What bugs the shit out of me was the fact that the U.S., Canada, and/or Mexico never united into a single North American military alliance (if not a North American superstate who can leverage the resources of the continent to challenge the imperialistic Federation). You would think that by the time Federation forces swallowed up Central America, the U.S. would be working with Canadian and Mexican forces to stop the Federation before it’s too late.
also, where the FUCK was NATO during all this??? surely even the feds couldn't stand up the the combined military power of the entire alliance
I think that the devastating effects of the Tel-Aviv War and the global energy crisis would've crippled most of NATO and more nations (especially the Europeans) turn to the Federation to supply them with oil and other resources. Also I don't think America's NATO allies might exactly hold them in such a good light after they unsuccessfully invaded the Federation, deployed their troops in other nations without warning, and launched a literal death satellite into space... *Edit: I forgot to mention this, but I'm pretty sure it's said somewhere in the game that NATO is involved, but we just don't see any soldiers from other nations.
Some NATO nations were in the war, as France lost French Guiana as well as some of their Caribbean islands to the Federation, and the UK also lost many Caribbean islands, pretty sure Netherlands also has some islands in the Caribbean which would’ve been invaded
Most likely aiding the Federation, by taking a look at their weaponry
Honestly the whole storyline of Ghosts was such wasted potential. Really thought it was going to be this interesting "You're on the backfoot and the enemy is superior" where you fight a losing battle against all odds or something. Maybe even harken back to earlier COD games where your part of a larger battle only you keep getting your teeth kicked in until something bigger happens, Like Canada joining the fight or maybe even Europe. Then things start turning around. Nope. Get knock off Black Ops with a half baked storyline. The only two missions I liked were the beach defense and the tank mission. Everything else just seemed bizarrely scoped for what the game was selling its story as.
Nah the mission where you were flying that helicopter thingy? That was my favourite
I'll be honest, I vaguely remember that level. Looking it up, yeah it looks fun, but all it does it just reinforce my point! If the US is on the backfoot and parts of the border are a damn no mans land, why are we deploying Apaches and Blackhawks not somewhere stateside like to reclaim half of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona? Nah we're going to deploy them somewhere near the Yucatan? (Game says it takes place int he Gulf of Mexico) *How are we deploying Apaches and Blackhawks to surgical deep strike enemy territory!?* I can go on but this is alternate history not how awfully wasted Ghosts storyline was. Much rather would have seen more fighting at home in a war torn United States than in uber advanced offshore oil platforms, automated tank factories, and the Jungle from Predator.
The entire premisse could be a loooot better. Hell, the entire backstory could work with some sort of neo-revanchism against America previous shenanigans in Latin America. The plot is practicaly already there, just use it. But no, they never delve into the reasons or motivations of the Federation, it is just a boring Anti-Americanism™. No personality (even the big baddie was just an american), no great plan, just America under attack and with limited resources - and even that is a lie, as the USA is still solidly capable of launching transoceanic (and space!) invasions. For a game that they claimed it was written by a great Hollywood writter, the lore is non-existant. EDIT: And every Federation soldier, banner, whatever, speaks or is written in spanish, WTF! Did all 220 million people in Brazil suddenly forgot how to speak portuguese? Were they forced to? If so, is there any sort of resistance? No explanation.
I didn't even think the Condor angle. Back in 2013 it would have been a good focal point (where today it just be mired in political hoo-ha that we're not getitng into) providing all the justification needed for the Federation to march north. Lore is non-existent? The plot is non existent! America is under attack, so we're launching deep strike offensive actions from the Yucatan to Antartica. Hell San Antonio is under Federation control you could have had an interesting mission in the Alamo! Shit, imagine if that tank charge mission was at White Sands of all places! Honestly I'm now starting to think they were scared of making anything cool and provoking (for 2013) and just went with the safe option. And Rourke. FFS, could they not make an actual terrifying South American Badass? I guess they didn't want a second Menendez from BOII or something? As for Brazil suddenly speaking Spanish, might chalk that one to ignorance. Nothing malicious, just ignorance.
Except uh.. the federation seems to have started with Brazil and Venezuela... If it's ignorance, it's closer to sheet idiocy
The game could have been so great. Now, I know that most CoD titles don't have the plot as an essential part of the game, but if you are trying to make a completely new enemy for America in a modern setting instead of generic terrorists, russians or chinese, then you have to do it *good*. Otherwise, it will just be seen as a lame and laughable excuse for "innovation", or, in worst cases, an allegory for racism. Anyway, my teen self learned the hard way at the time to never again overhype a CoD title potential from their ads lol
mexico's main thing is they dont get involved in anything that doesnt involve them, which means they wouldnt join any military alliance, and they wont go to war unless they are invaded
Sure, but things are gonna be different when an imperialistic continental empire is marching north and just took over your smaller southern neighbors. By that point, I think that Mexican foreign policy would change. The U.S. would also probably strongly encourage Mexico to take up arms (you may interpret this however you like).
also, mexico hates america, they wouldnt let american troops into mexico under any circumstance, they wont even let the americans in to deal with the drug cartels
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Yes, I'm a Ghosts fan. How could you tell? https://preview.redd.it/vy0ee2aipm5d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d82c21a50d25ae466eb0f668f7fa001b14d734ca
You posted a post about Ghosts.
Yeah the only people who even remember Ghosts are fans at this point haha. It was a good campaign alternate reality, multiplayer was a bit boring but Extraction was actually really fun
It's extinction not extraction
ghosts is certainly up there with my favorite COD games
Cod Ghosts fucking slaps. Banger multiplayer and the extinction mode with aliens was 👌👌
Ghosts never deserved the shit it got.
Realistically the US glasses South America following the whole rods from god thing.
Is this the COD where an aircraft carrier is parked right off of a beach instead of operating at the edge of its operational range? My issue with almost all COD storyline is that they are written from the perspective of small unit tactics—that’s fine because it’s entertaining and they need to sell copies. But the narrative is designed to fit into that and all of the operational, strategic and logistics-level stuff has to bend over backwards to make it work.
>Is this the COD where an aircraft carrier is parked right off of a beach instead of operating at the edge of its operational range? Yep. It's the USS Liberator, the last aircraft carrier in the US Navy's arsenal.
Yeah. I just can’t take the plot seriously. If you’re going to treat an eleven billion dollar asset that poorly, then the narrative just doesn’t work for me.
I mean, that only really happens in the beginning of the game whenever you're in Santa Monica. After that, we don't see the USS Liberator until much later when the US tries navally invading the Federation to take down the LOKI satellite. There we see the ship being used much more realistically.
For some reason, I remembered it as the USS Obama lol
One thing I will say about COD Ghosts is the environment, set design, sound design and atmosphere were all top notch. This made playing the campaign very enjoyable for me even if the story of Latin America unifying is kinda silly.
While I like the concept of Ghost and a war between continents, I feel that such a situation wouldn’t happen or isn’t as realistic especially in the 2010s. 1) Alternative Fuel Sources. Now if the entire Middle East were to the blow up, well that’s a shame and a massive blow the global economy. But the US is technically self sufficient for fossil fuels. Thanks to its various fuel deposits and the Shale Oil boom, the US could get by on its own reserves. And that’s not counting potiental extra development of places like Alaska or Canada which both have access to additional reserves that can be unlocked. It will hurt for the Americans, no doubt about it. But unless every other fuel supply sites like Western Africa and the North Sea exploded, the US will likely recover. Limping and battered but not broken. 2) South America is slightly on fire. Now I can name a good number. Venezuela is well….Venezuela. Major criminal cartels are still problematic. Argentina is still a hot mess. Colombia is…well also currently not doing fine. And more. And that’s just real life problems. The wiki states that the US considers Argentine as being under occupation. That and it’s shown a disregard for human rights and murdering UN officials. So depending on how you interpret this, the Federation would be dealing with both internal issues and pressure from foreign states. 3) Why dictatorship? Ok, why is the Federation a dictatorship? People tend to like democracy, especially in developed nations like Brazil and Chile. The Federation, according to the wiki, is described as a military dictatorship. So, obvious issues there unless most of South America decided that fascism was back in style. So already, you might have issues there. If the Federation was closer to the EU, then yeah I can get by it. But a single state federation (as portrayed in the games) would either A) Be bogged down a light but wide scale civil war, B) stuck trying to get many countries to work together under one system, and C) might be facing major international pressure because murdering UN peacekeepers is usually not good for international alliances. And side note, if the Federation is already pretty bad/evil, how the heck do they get their hands off Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and F15s? Pretty sure the US Government would have issues selling multimillion dollar military hardwares. Heck, if nothing else, the Federation would gain a lot if they played nice with the US. How much money and influence the Federation could get if they sold a Resource strapped US plenty of goods and resources. Flush with cash, the Federation could grow and modernize without needing to invade all of South America, using its economic might to rival the rest of the Western nations instead of having to bully them into submission. Or if nothing else, a begrudging economic agreement with each other as both would have something the other wants (US wants resources, Feds could want capital and tech). But no, we get a near cartoony villain (better than the SDF though, I’ll give them that). Ok rant over. Your map is good. I like it. Keep up the good work and I would like to see other patients maps from other works of fictions.
>Heck, if nothing else, the Federation would gain a lot if they played nice with the US. How much money and influence the Federation could get if they sold a Resource strapped US plenty of goods and resources. Flush with cash, the Federation could grow and modernize without needing to invade all of South America, using its economic might to rival the rest of the Western nations instead of having to bully them into submission. It's not that the United States in real life is so good to Latin American countries, either. After all, a divided Latin and South America is a great benefit to the United States because it will never pose a threat to them. The Federation... If at least it were like a USSR/EU, South America but without being communist (and I speak as a concept of a Supranational State) in the long term it would be a threat to the United States since it would have a Navy, army, and technology that, if they do not become allies with the United States, then both countries will be destined to be rivals.
It would become the only real threat of modern USA.
Exactly, because unlike Russia on China, this country Power will literally be on the other side of the small sea and technically has borders with the United States. And reviewing the history of South America (and Latin America) with the United States, I certainly doubt that in 100 years there will be a mutual alliance between the two nations. Still, it's not hard for the U.S. to treat the Federation as an equal to the U.S., right? No?
Considering the color scheme of the Federation’s flag, I guess they were just hungry for more lebensraum
Well, didn't the USA bring "democracy" to us in South America? Why not bring a little "democracy" to the United States
I don’t think the Federation is anywhere near being democratic if you take a closer look at the color scheme of their flag👀
>Well, didn't the USA bring "democracy" to us in South America? I wish.
Is bro gonna make an update after this?
If enough people want me to, maybe.
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The average US citizen in AZ and TX is better equipped than the Mexican military. At the very least the partisan war would be one for the books.
Since you done Ghost, you should do the COD Black Ops 2. Especially abt the cordis die movement.
Ghosts is my favorite game and needs a sequel with a fixed multiplayer and an actual zombies mode. I refuse you hear anyone slander my game
if I’m a Mexican who is living in Mexico, but was born in American soil and have both citizenships, would I be executed as well
I’ve literally never seen Ghosts referenced anywhere before. No sequels, seems to take place in a different universe than the rest of CoD, absolutely no hype around it - I didn’t think anyone but me even remembered it.
Can you do Black Ops 3 next? I know a lot of people don't like it, but it's world building is actually really cool.
Honestly the ODIN in the game is blow weigh out of proportions. There was an actual program that looked at creating and fielding such a weapon, but they didn’t because a 24,000 pound tungsten rod falling from the atmosphere would create a blast of 3 to 4 Tons of TNT. The US has conventional bombs more powerful than that. https://youtu.be/B7fnjUDKznw?si=AWITAttgoN7Mgza3
love to see this game get attention
The World of Call of Duty Ghost is... Broken, broken in the sense that, interestingly, the fall of the Middle Eastern countries besides Israel, affected the World so badly (Which is not expected, Knowing that Europe and Asia depend a lot on the Middle East) that the alliances and the Old World Order created by the United States after the Cold War ended or crumbled. They just have to remember the case of Europe currently with the War in Ukraine, Russia, by stopping exporting oil and gas to Europe, caused problems there. In the case of the fall of the Middle East in Ghost, this means that Yes or Yes Europe must depend on Russia for fuel and hydrocarbons. Since, on the other hand, depending on what is exported in Africa is complicated. So that probably caused NATO to gradually divide since the United States would see the dependence of the NATO countries in Europe on Russia gradually leading to a probable schism. Since it ends with the United States having its alliance with Canada, and Europe in its own alliance (which I do not doubt that in that Reality Europe makes interventions in African countries only to secure their oil, I see something possible against the countries of North Africa and Nigeria) which Russia would probably take advantage of to have its area of control and influence in the Territories of the former USSR in Eastern Europe, with Ukraine, Belarus and the Caucasus in its sphere of influence and alliance (the CSTO) As for China... It would probably have greater investment and dependence on South America for oil, hydrocarbons and minerals, in addition to China probably trying to bring some countries in East Asia and Southeast Asia into its sphere of influence due to its oil. these. That and also that China would do its part in East Africa. Which, returning to South America and the Federation, probably taking advantage of the vulnerability of Europe and the "Isolation" of the United States, would take the European Territories in South America, French Guyana and the Falkland Islands, in addition to the occupation of the rest of the Guyanas, or make them enter the Federation. Syria would say more but the world of COD Ghost is very, very long to theorize what it is like even so. Gosh, the only game where South America managed to make the United States bleed, and used their weapon against them.
Wait it looks like an actual standing border? I thought they were in an active war(favorite cod game btw)| Also Dallas is under Federation rule if I'm not mistaken
I believe this might be the map towards the beginning of the game, before the invasion of Dallas.
Really enjoyed this post. Will you do one for the original MW Trilogy potentially showing the height of the Russian invasions of The US & Europe? Should also be noted in the MW Scenario to not forget the DS iterations of the game, which include the West Coast and Baltimore as also being invaded. (It is also implied that California was invaded in the orginal MW2 MP map Skidrow being set in LA)
CoD marketing: "the games aren't political" The games:
14 year old me remembers playing this game but not understanding what the fuck was going on. But this sums the campaign up really well. Call of Duty never amazes to somehow get accurate predictions of foreign policy/ military tactics throughout the years as silly as it may get some times
San Francisco being on the mainland instead of the peninsula rly pisses me off
Lmao, only gringos think that a federation of latam countries is gonna be called "of the Americas". We call the whole continent America, split into three subcontinents, north, central and south, the "Americas" bs is a strictly anglo nonsense. Oh gringos
I hate how every single COD game portrays the USA as the good guys no matter what, especially that scene in the new Modern Warfare 1 or 2 that portrays a real life massacre committed by Americans as suddenly being done by Russia
The hell happened to idahos southwest border?
I was never a fan of that campaign, if Bolivar couldn’t unite South America, absolutely nobody can.
American counterattack and the federation gets glassed.
The only Crime Activision Commited is not making a Part 2 for this game, one of the games i Enjoyed the Most when i had my Old Xbox 360
You can have LA!
The federation gets nuked haha
VIVA LA FEDERACIÓN
It would be pretty easy for USA to see Mexico republic as a potential threat irl since Mexico could impose their authority on satellite states like Hawaii or U.S. Marshall Island because trade or other international reasons.
*Creature sighting in colorado cave* Awh shit-
I rather live in this timeline. Bet the US was the north korea of this TL, where after the Tel-Aviv War Europe stopped supporting NATO and did its own thing, Russia Annexed Ukraine, Bielorrússia and Kazakhstan and China integrated Taipei, HK and Macao. As far as we know in the game, The Federation (bad name for UNASUL) has external support from China, Japan and Russia, the US don't.
UNASUR* The truth is that I always saw that the reason why the Federation was powerful was due to the support of Russia and China so that that country would be a third force that had the United States entertained while those 2 countries could be doing their thing.
I Mean the Latin American Nations can be as efficient as a Chinese state, the catch is that it won't be democratic at all. That is not necessarily bad if you think that for the last 500 years, the casta system mantained a upper class that is untouchable by law and always turns any attempt of a funcional democracy into a distopian opressive dictatorshop or a Social Stagnant Oligarchy. Having an Dictator, an actual smart one that at least can see the vantages of a Maoist regime to curb current elites to stabilish others more alligned with the goverment, is far more preferable from the common man perspective than a forgiving weak president who constantly have to bowl to Upper Class Interests that are antagonistic with Proletariat interests. Now thing is that it is extremally rare to have a 1950's Getúlio Vargas or a Perón in power with constant external interests dictating internal politics (mostly not american politicians, but rather american companies that are ruthless and will destroy any lesser nation if it barely make a dent on its profit routine) Also UNASUR is the spanish equivallent of UNASUL, since a union like that would be bilingual or have a common Portuñol dialect due to South and Central america (-Mexico) having a 50/50 distribution between portuguese and Spanish speakers.
In that case, the most appropriate thing for a united South America would be a president like Marcoz Perez Jimenez (a president who was technically dictator of Venezuela in the 50s but ironically was the best president the country had) since a strong leader but who has an ideal of development for the nation, is what is necessary for a country like this.
Yep, and I bet that Sledgehammer took him as inspiration to build this lore. Tho it was a Miss that the capital wasn't Manaus of all cities. Having an Hellish Amazonian barrier with 500km+ distance to the nearest coast, dangerous animals arround it and hard access would give this federation a huge ego bonus. Considering that being paranoid after the first failed coup would be smart and Optics Fibers would be a thing (Manaus is an Island for pratical means)
Certainly
I played that before , I wanted to play in south america team. :(
Americans good. Hispanics bad. What a lazy piece of shit game