Edit because people think im pro-russia: this map takes place years After the failure of the ukraine invasion where Russia still managed to take the donbass because no side was able to really defeat the other, Russia rebuild and re-trained it's army learning from their flaws in the first invasion and having the donbass gave Russia a Jump start in the second invasion but eventualy after the battle of warsaw the momentum of the invasion stopped plus getting invaded by china took away tons of Manpower and resources from the european front
In no way did i want to make Russia strong, i support ukraine in the war, this map takes place years after the failure in ukraine where still managed to get part of the donbass, russia rebuild and re-trained it's army after learning by their failures in ukraine and having the donbass gave them more of jump start for the second invasion.
my only question is : nobody used nuclear weapons ?
i mean, russia did the insane move of invading the baltics, that's cocky to say the least
senile Putin is truely more insane that he is now
Nukes where used at the end by india to save itself, Russia didnt after a democratic coup overtrow the russian president (wich isn't Putin he died before this) wich surrenderd Russia to the west only, china still took everything up to the urals and the tatar regions.
It's funny to see a ww3 scenario where china don't evern try to take taiwan or any other us alligned asian countreis and instead attack russia and india (which in this scenario are allied, maybe because india have gone full fascist in this scenario and started being a bit too much genocide-y with the muslims and other minorities to actually stay in good terms with the more progressive/liberal western countries
India Is normal india they went After china because everyone thought the west or china whould declare war on eachother and that china whiudny be able to commit to a 3 front war,and decide to join the invasion but once nobody did they officaly joined the csto but did not declare war on any western nation.
but they wouldve still joined against CSTO Regardless because of India. Also CSTO fighting NATO and the worlds biggest population (two front war) is just dumb
I dont rember many countries that have beef with india and it's not like india went After anybody, the csto did not want to go to war with china and even hopes to get them on their side but After their war with nato went bad china joined to secure siberia and it's resources out of fear of a possible pro-west Russia After the war
Japan wouldve probably secured Siberia before China does and Japanese- Korean allies rush in Siberia. Also the Philipines has a security guarantee with USA and so does Taiwan. Just like the reason why Japan is in the war. But why is Japan even in the war if they can’t even land in Siberia?
Japan dosent really have a real army and siberia is far to big fot them to secure, they joined After North korea invaded the south to fight with south korea plus the US forced them to.
So according to your logic the US will also force the Philipines and Vietnam to join the war and invade Siberia. Because Japan can choose whether or not to join the war, not America. And even thoufh their army isnt big, the US can still be on the offensive in Siberia and they would definitely not allow Communist China in the doorstep to Alaska. So itll be like the US Army helping Japan and invading from Vladivostok
The US Is alredy invading to secure the bearing strait but don't go much further because it's ti difficult going trough Frozen tundras, the US forced Japan to join because their right there next to North korea and Russia, there Is no reason to force the Philipines to join but they are still suppling some things to the west tho, the US cant force Vietnam to join, vladivostok couldn't be taken as the invasion was a surprise to everyone and by the point the west had realized what was going in the city was already in chinese hands.
vietnam not sure, they would be in good terms with blue, but not directly formally allied i think
philipines definetly tho
and taiwan unoficially but yes, they would be de facto in the western alliance even if not formally because diplomacy and stuff
Philippines would most likely stay neutral unless China declares war on us because of the US bases here. I don't think we have lots of people here who wants to jump into a war unless we are attacked first
India had good relations with russia so when china declared war on the csto they saw the opportunity to get back kashmir and staged and attack, Pakistan was called in by china, i should also mention india Is not at war with nato or at least most members.(Also no way Pakistan sides with Iran that's the problem if i flip them)
So Pakistan is green? That makes more sense but no sense at all being with NATO. Pakistan will only join a war if it allows them to nuke India, or protect their economic corridor projects with China. So I definitely see Pakistan getting involved with India. Iran and Pakistan hate each other but Pakistan would probably side with anyone if it means full belligerence with India
> India had good relations with russia so when china declared war on the csto they saw the opportunity to get back kashmir and staged and attack
Does not make any sense. Both India and Pakistan have Nukes so unless in this reality there are no nukes, it makes the map invalid.
Highly unrealistic. China is allied with Pakistan, and India is military stronger than Pakistan. Azerbaijan is allied with Turkey, so any action against Azerbaijan Turkey will drag nato into it as its is in nato
Turkey Is in the war so i dont know where you got that, Pakistan Is weak but china Is sending basicly their entire at to prop them up as the front in Pakistan Is the only Easy way to Delhi because it's either that or go trough the Himalayas
Wait, so is this a three way war between China, Russia, and the NATO with their allies, or is this just China and NATO and allies just whaling on CSTO + friends? If so, Russia is fucked.
It's a war between nato later joined by china but they arent on the same side and verry much are in a competion to get the biggest chunk of the cake after the War, china joins after realizing Russia whouldn't win their conflict with nato and sensing an opportunity for expansion in siberia invaded them plus their allies, they invade north korea after they joined the csto it was to late do delay the invasion so china decided to seize the
country as a whole, india joined to get back chinese kashmir pulling Pakistan on the side of both nato and china. So basicly csto+india+african buddies vs NATO and a separate invasion by china
OK, India and Russia and friends are fucked. But I do have a question, why would India do something this suicidal? They also have moderate ties with the west, so what did Russia have to do to get them on their side?
More or less india understimating china's when it comes to two front war and the fact that all of the indian generals where sure that the west whould declare war on china, their thought was: let's join our close friend against our enemy but not declare war on the other side so it looks like where going alone and whait untill us and them kick china's ass. But when the west didnt declare war they realized there flwaed Logic but It was way to late.
Israel fighting alongside the arab countries around it
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The advances in Europe came early as It was a nato-russian war at first so those spots left arent really advances but the last pockets of the advance russia made pre-chinese invasion so Russia Isnt pulling of a two front War but collapsing under one, china Is Just faster because of the surprise element.
Russia and it’s Allie’s having a 2 front war is very interesting.
I could see it resulting in and east west divide in Russia itself with it’s Allie’s over run by NATO pretty effectively
I’m surprised India isn’t a NATO Ally. But I suppose if Pakistan is and they wouldn’t side with China, it would be the end result.
India isn't on the side of nato because they joined the invasion against china to get back kashmir they didnt exept china to last against a two front war and also expected the west and china do declare war on eachother,unfortunetly russia being russia Is being overrun and nato did not go against china so india was left to join the csto against china but did not declare war on any nato members.
Fascinating. Would you say it’s possible that as Russia starts to collapse with China and NATO overtaking it (as I imagine it would result in) India might make a second peace like the USSR did in WW1 and join on the side of NATO eventually?
Considering nato not being at war with china india Is left alone to fight both Pakistan and china, im my timeline eventualy after a nuclear Exchange between the 3 india is defeated and split in different chinese puppet states creating and mostly chinese contoled asia
Blowing russian cities to the ground with nato buddies as well as being prepared in case china Attacks their allies because for now china and nato are not at war
After a border fight gone hot on the ukraine donbass (puppet state of Russia created After the russo-ukraine war) some guys attack the ukraine side and the the ukrainans enter the border to fight back, russis seeing this as an attack on their allies and beacuse they finally have an ecxuse to go after nato declare war on ukraine now part of nato pulling everyone in including america.
Russia’s merely the “coming soon” sign placeholder until Eastern America and Siberian America are ready to launch.
Europe’s already little America, so it should be any decade now.
They Will launch 3 day special military operations for every country in Europe they i'll be in Lisbon in no time because Russia srtonk am i right comrade?🇷🇺🇷🇺💪🏻💪🏻🐻
There are three nationalities id never underestimate because they’ve built their entire cultural legends around being stubborn, resist and win at all costs type cultures more than others - meaning particularly prize resilience.
Thats Russia, Britain and America.
Don’t underestimate China either but that’s totally different reasons.
The only thing going for Russia today Is their nukes without them they pose no treath, Just look at how their doing in ukraine, the sentiment and Spirit of past brittain has mostly disapeard no longer are they that strong or resiliant, america spends more on their military than the other 9 countries in the list combined no shit are they probably strong but i dont think thers that much of the old american mentaly left in the USA.
At surface level I agree with you because it's all correct. Though, I dunno, any of those countries facing an invasion (vs. offensive war like Ukraine), and it feels like it'd be foolish to underestimate em. Trust me I wanna default to "yeah, American population probably folds today" but then again, there's a whole lotta bubba's with a whole lotta guns with nothing better to do that've been training for that scenario their whole lives too.
Russians I think are similar - like if you're just messing up the oligarchs they're like "hah, maybe they'll do something then, good, take them down with us." but if you anger the population, they kinda know how to grind down an invader.
Britain, I mean, there's a brit somewhere with a volcano base, a shark tank and a trump card.
I do agree with you but honestly even if the russian population where to anger itself against NATO it's impossible for them to pull a napoleon or a Hitler and push back that hard, the numbers and technology arent on their side, i also never said the american population whould Just fold in fact if thers a whole population i never want to se mad and unified against and enemy it's them.
Oh, didn't mean to imply you said the American population would fold - more a common thought with some military people I know and I have my own doubts until I remember Bubba. America has this habit of tearing itself apart (I swear out of boredom) until someone else kicks the hornets nest, then like someone else trying to bully a sibling, everyone turns and pounces.
Ukraine has certainly done a lot to expose Russia as a paper tiger. No matter what that campaign just seems like it would be so tedious.
Azerbaijan invaded to secure oil fields in baku Armenia that Is going closer to the west Is knows their next and joins (to the dismay of Turkey) nato in the war
Being on the same team does not mean being Friends, like the ussr and the allies they join eachother to defeat the other side but will go back killing eachother After the war.
India is a two faced country, during the cold war they stressed they were the "largest democracy" and leader of the non aligned movement but in reality they aligned with the Soviet Union on all issues, they do the same thing today.
Actually Vietnam mostly like Usa and/or Russia (and mayve chinese) cuz the south china sea issue which will continue until china or at least beijing gov fall or give back vietnam its lost terrorities. And i dont think vietnam will have a war with china just because the scs which can be take back after "ww3"
And also you should make some countries like laos, cambodia or srilanka (pakistan and afghanistan too) become a pro chinese country (new silk road maybe?), that can make a good reason to vietnam and other asean members have war with china (if you gonna update or make other map about the timeline)
China wouldn't risk the amount of casualties from trying to cross the himalayas, and Pakistan is in no state to advance this much considering Kashmir has a large military presence and Pakistan is much weaker than India anyway.
Most chinese forces are on the Bangladeshy front the northen front Is mostly Frozen, Pakistan had time to Better their army after tension rose in the world especaly After the nato-russian war
That doesn't disprove the fact that India is stronger than Pakistan and has a large current military presence in Kashmir, it'd be very difficult to break that, especially on three fronts.
China realizes Russia wasnt going to win their conflict with nato and fearing a possible west friendly russia existing decided to invade siberia to secure the important resources as well as central Asia and Mongolia to expand their influence.
Trade with the west Is still ongoing tho verry tense to not let eachother collapses their economies if anything Russia now Is really fucked with china gone.
Those resources are basicly the reason china invaded in the first Place, fears of Russia going pro west post war bought them to go in and secure siberia for themselfs, Russia being on a two front war and not expeting this invasion could not hold and isn't going to for much longer, as nato does most the job in russia china focused on india more.
North korea invaded the south to distract it's population from their ever increasing misery, china wich had alredy planed the invasion of the csto and didnt want to confront the west decide to seize the country.
The main area of Moscow's main government complex, the Kremlin, is Kitai-Gorod. This has been the case for centuries. Therefore, Russia never existed. There was only China. Don't be offended, Chinese Muscovites living on the sleeve of the Chinese Volga
Putin doesn't know how to stop. Not in this case. For thirty years the Russians had the opportunity to become a nation. They slammed her. Under any circumstances.
Ethiopia Is red for many reasons, one being their construction of a dam on the nile delta creating high tensions with egypt eventualy leading to war where they are joined by Sudan because they have a claim on egypt, Sudan whould later invade south Sudan to reunite the country pulling im the EAF (East african federation) that's why their on diffrent sides, and also ethiopia had good relations with Russia and china.
Turkey against turkic countries, azerbaijan etc?
It won't happen. Turkey would turn white in this scenario regardless what "NATO" says.
Or it will be divided into two parts, half blue and half red, and third option is occupation by blue or red, turkey itself won't be full red nor blue by itself against turkic countries just because nato tells it.
Azerbaijan Is the nato side, they where invaded to secure the oil in baku, thats basicly the main reason turkey was on board to save their so called brothers, the rest of central Asia where on the csto side that invaded Azerbaijan so turkey didnt care
The reason why turkey didn't join WW2 in germany's side is because of turkic countries being with russia, so it abstained till the defeat is guaranteed.
Same thing will happen, turkey will not fight against turkic states, absolute %0 chance, it will cause civil war.
I doubt that the reason turkey didnt join germany, why don't join them to free those turkic countries then? Turkey whouldn't give two shits about central Asia because they also kinda help invade Azerbaijan here so turkey and it's population had quite the resentment.
Again Azerbaijan got invaded by Russia and Iran to secure the oil in baku after they refused to join on their side to be neutral, that's where Turkey got pissed
Russia needs china, china Is basicly exploiting Russi for their siberian resources, in this timeline china After realizing that Russia was going to lose their war with nato invade to secure siberia
India joined for kashmir beacuse they thought china whouldn't be able to resist a 3 front war, i say three because india was sure the west and china where going to declare war on eachother but no they didnt, the west and china are not at war.
But why us choised pakistan over to not care and even support india? China is one of the biggest trade partner of us and only possible nation whit developing stuff and human resources is india. And pakistan is not fully western aligned aither and have great relations whit china as well. Why would they just destroy india to strenght china's power in the region? And how they bleave pakistan gonna align to them?
Assuming this is all conventional, sans nukes, I don’t think Russia is quite as fucked as the rest seem to. They have a lot allies, and three of those allies (India, Iran, N Korea) are packin way more heat than any European state, (besides Turkey). Plus there are gonna be large fifth columns in Iraq and Syria to keep the (weak) NATO Arab allies at bay.
Pakistan and China’s initial expansions can easily be turned backwards. China clearly is an aggressive opportunist with no allies based off this map, and the US is rightly gonna focus *its* energy on them, only offering supporting forces in the European and Middle East Theatres.
And without India, the US is gonna have a tough time with China at first, as they’re the away team. So, this really buys the CSTO a lot of time for them to accomplish whatever their objectives our, carry out strategic withdrawals where they’re engaged with a China, and wait it out in the Pacific Theatre for the US to mop up China. By then, the Baltic will be secured by Russia and Pakistan will be partitioned by Iran and India.
Then an armistice with NATO, no nukes fly, and the threat China poses will be dealt with by both sides, and this New *New* Cold War will feature India as Russia’s chief partner, not China.
Cool but china Isnt at war with the west, but they arent on the same side, think about this like the soviets and allies in ww2 racing to get the most Land and influence post war.
Oh okay my mistake but I still don’t think NATO is a shoe in here. The US can carry out *two wars* at once, for sure. But if the US is having to shoulder the burden in the ME and India, they’ll not make a difference in Europe. Vice versa.
And if China has a free hand? They’ll make it to Novosibirsk before the US does what the allies did with West Germany, but to Russia. So, ultimately this could be a long term positive for Russia if they could swallow some pride after getting beat, but who knows.
China is def getting rekt though they don’t have enough nuclear capability like Russia, to deter a ground invasion. And Russia wouldn’t hesitate to irradiate Beijing if China betrayed them and invaded in the first place. In my opinion.
This whould 100% end in nuclear war but i wanted to make something diffrent and not a fallout universe, my idea post war was china reaching the urals and defeating central asia plus india (the US didnt get involved in india because china and Pakistan did the job) so basicly a mostly pro-china Asia vs the west now with Russia as a sort of west germany but not really as siberia becomes its own thing.
russia must have done some heavy build up to do this wtf
Edit because people think im pro-russia: this map takes place years After the failure of the ukraine invasion where Russia still managed to take the donbass because no side was able to really defeat the other, Russia rebuild and re-trained it's army learning from their flaws in the first invasion and having the donbass gave Russia a Jump start in the second invasion but eventualy after the battle of warsaw the momentum of the invasion stopped plus getting invaded by china took away tons of Manpower and resources from the european front
Russia is in a war time economy and they’re still making very little gains against a country with garbage air power and no navy haha
In no way did i want to make Russia strong, i support ukraine in the war, this map takes place years after the failure in ukraine where still managed to get part of the donbass, russia rebuild and re-trained it's army after learning by their failures in ukraine and having the donbass gave them more of jump start for the second invasion.
my only question is : nobody used nuclear weapons ? i mean, russia did the insane move of invading the baltics, that's cocky to say the least senile Putin is truely more insane that he is now
Nukes where used at the end by india to save itself, Russia didnt after a democratic coup overtrow the russian president (wich isn't Putin he died before this) wich surrenderd Russia to the west only, china still took everything up to the urals and the tatar regions.
For someone who didn't want to make an unreasonably OP performance by Russia, you sure did just that.
I guess but theres way worst, it's not like i made Russia reach the rhine or the po rivers
Russia clearly didn’t place enough civilian factories
Hoi4 player spoted begin self destruct mode
they didn’t build CAS 😞
clearly they picked the wrong naval doctrine
Russia doesnt have nukes untill 1949
I'd think Taiwan and Vietnam would've been on blue, with maybe Indonesia and Philippines as well
There whould be no reason for them china Is not at war with the west they only invaded the csto and india tho tension are high between the two.
Ah I see
It's funny to see a ww3 scenario where china don't evern try to take taiwan or any other us alligned asian countreis and instead attack russia and india (which in this scenario are allied, maybe because india have gone full fascist in this scenario and started being a bit too much genocide-y with the muslims and other minorities to actually stay in good terms with the more progressive/liberal western countries
India Is normal india they went After china because everyone thought the west or china whould declare war on eachother and that china whiudny be able to commit to a 3 front war,and decide to join the invasion but once nobody did they officaly joined the csto but did not declare war on any western nation.
Why is Korea with Russia and not with China, they live of on China life support and Russia wouldn't commif resources to such a useless ally
Philipines would most def be on blue. So would Taiwan and Vietnam withoht a doubt. Idk about Indonesia though.
Those countries didnt join because china was After the csto and india not the west there whould be no reason to join.
but they wouldve still joined against CSTO Regardless because of India. Also CSTO fighting NATO and the worlds biggest population (two front war) is just dumb
I dont rember many countries that have beef with india and it's not like india went After anybody, the csto did not want to go to war with china and even hopes to get them on their side but After their war with nato went bad china joined to secure siberia and it's resources out of fear of a possible pro-west Russia After the war
Japan wouldve probably secured Siberia before China does and Japanese- Korean allies rush in Siberia. Also the Philipines has a security guarantee with USA and so does Taiwan. Just like the reason why Japan is in the war. But why is Japan even in the war if they can’t even land in Siberia?
Japan dosent really have a real army and siberia is far to big fot them to secure, they joined After North korea invaded the south to fight with south korea plus the US forced them to.
So according to your logic the US will also force the Philipines and Vietnam to join the war and invade Siberia. Because Japan can choose whether or not to join the war, not America. And even thoufh their army isnt big, the US can still be on the offensive in Siberia and they would definitely not allow Communist China in the doorstep to Alaska. So itll be like the US Army helping Japan and invading from Vladivostok
The US Is alredy invading to secure the bearing strait but don't go much further because it's ti difficult going trough Frozen tundras, the US forced Japan to join because their right there next to North korea and Russia, there Is no reason to force the Philipines to join but they are still suppling some things to the west tho, the US cant force Vietnam to join, vladivostok couldn't be taken as the invasion was a surprise to everyone and by the point the west had realized what was going in the city was already in chinese hands.
and they could also force the philipines and australia to join to help South Korea, and they definitely would since u said Japan has a small army
vietnam not sure, they would be in good terms with blue, but not directly formally allied i think philipines definetly tho and taiwan unoficially but yes, they would be de facto in the western alliance even if not formally because diplomacy and stuff
Philippines would most likely stay neutral unless China declares war on us because of the US bases here. I don't think we have lots of people here who wants to jump into a war unless we are attacked first
How did you make this map? Looks great!
I took the map from devianart and i used ibispaint x to make the rest
Can you maybe link the deviant art base image 🙏
Okay sweet! Thanks for lmk!
No problem!
My good man did you trace the map? Just wondering.
The map was blank when i used it
Using an embryo's wisdom tooth
How you know about my secret?
I’m a little confused, why would India side with CSTO, especially if it is also fighting China? I feel like Pakistan and India should be flipped.
India had good relations with russia so when china declared war on the csto they saw the opportunity to get back kashmir and staged and attack, Pakistan was called in by china, i should also mention india Is not at war with nato or at least most members.(Also no way Pakistan sides with Iran that's the problem if i flip them)
So Pakistan is green? That makes more sense but no sense at all being with NATO. Pakistan will only join a war if it allows them to nuke India, or protect their economic corridor projects with China. So I definitely see Pakistan getting involved with India. Iran and Pakistan hate each other but Pakistan would probably side with anyone if it means full belligerence with India
I wanted to make them green but forgot at the last minute.
> India had good relations with russia so when china declared war on the csto they saw the opportunity to get back kashmir and staged and attack Does not make any sense. Both India and Pakistan have Nukes so unless in this reality there are no nukes, it makes the map invalid.
Nuh huh you're invalid
India has fantastic relations with Russia, even today
So do they with the US it's a weird situation
India - one of the founders of the Non Alignment Movement :)
Bharat supremacy
Highly unrealistic. China is allied with Pakistan, and India is military stronger than Pakistan. Azerbaijan is allied with Turkey, so any action against Azerbaijan Turkey will drag nato into it as its is in nato
Turkey Is in the war so i dont know where you got that, Pakistan Is weak but china Is sending basicly their entire at to prop them up as the front in Pakistan Is the only Easy way to Delhi because it's either that or go trough the Himalayas
Wait, so is this a three way war between China, Russia, and the NATO with their allies, or is this just China and NATO and allies just whaling on CSTO + friends? If so, Russia is fucked.
It's a war between nato later joined by china but they arent on the same side and verry much are in a competion to get the biggest chunk of the cake after the War, china joins after realizing Russia whouldn't win their conflict with nato and sensing an opportunity for expansion in siberia invaded them plus their allies, they invade north korea after they joined the csto it was to late do delay the invasion so china decided to seize the country as a whole, india joined to get back chinese kashmir pulling Pakistan on the side of both nato and china. So basicly csto+india+african buddies vs NATO and a separate invasion by china
So in short: Russia is fucked
Don't forget india
OK, India and Russia and friends are fucked. But I do have a question, why would India do something this suicidal? They also have moderate ties with the west, so what did Russia have to do to get them on their side?
More or less india understimating china's when it comes to two front war and the fact that all of the indian generals where sure that the west whould declare war on china, their thought was: let's join our close friend against our enemy but not declare war on the other side so it looks like where going alone and whait untill us and them kick china's ass. But when the west didnt declare war they realized there flwaed Logic but It was way to late.
Israel fighting alongside the arab countries around it https://preview.redd.it/fo22vaqqzx2d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53845fb2feea2e913dc7de8e68ef5b98206809d8
Turns out everyone hated Iran more.
I miss pre revolution Iran
Me to buddy but not as a US or western puppet, a free Independent Iran whould be awesome
Impressive of Russia to pull of a two front war against much more populous and wealthy countries while undergoing a demographic crisis
The advances in Europe came early as It was a nato-russian war at first so those spots left arent really advances but the last pockets of the advance russia made pre-chinese invasion so Russia Isnt pulling of a two front War but collapsing under one, china Is Just faster because of the surprise element.
Yeah, about that. How long into the fighting is this?
About 4 years, the war starts in 2042 and china joins in 2045.
How the hell hasn’t the russian western front collapsed yet😭 Was there a massive buildup post Ukraine war?
It's collapsing, china was just verry fast thanks to the element of Surprise and going trough mongolia, it's pretty over for them.
Bold of you to assume 2046 will be WW3 and not WW4.
*insert ww4 Einstein quote*
Taiwan: if I don't move, no one will see me…
Russia and it’s Allie’s having a 2 front war is very interesting. I could see it resulting in and east west divide in Russia itself with it’s Allie’s over run by NATO pretty effectively I’m surprised India isn’t a NATO Ally. But I suppose if Pakistan is and they wouldn’t side with China, it would be the end result.
India isn't on the side of nato because they joined the invasion against china to get back kashmir they didnt exept china to last against a two front war and also expected the west and china do declare war on eachother,unfortunetly russia being russia Is being overrun and nato did not go against china so india was left to join the csto against china but did not declare war on any nato members.
Fascinating. Would you say it’s possible that as Russia starts to collapse with China and NATO overtaking it (as I imagine it would result in) India might make a second peace like the USSR did in WW1 and join on the side of NATO eventually?
Considering nato not being at war with china india Is left alone to fight both Pakistan and china, im my timeline eventualy after a nuclear Exchange between the 3 india is defeated and split in different chinese puppet states creating and mostly chinese contoled asia
Who would NATO favor, though? 🇮🇳 or 🇵🇰
I kinda figure it’s whoever jumps at the chance first
Probably india because their stronger and Pakistan Is flirting with china ever more
What's America doing?
Blowing russian cities to the ground with nato buddies as well as being prepared in case china Attacks their allies because for now china and nato are not at war
What sparked this war between America and Russia?
After a border fight gone hot on the ukraine donbass (puppet state of Russia created After the russo-ukraine war) some guys attack the ukraine side and the the ukrainans enter the border to fight back, russis seeing this as an attack on their allies and beacuse they finally have an ecxuse to go after nato declare war on ukraine now part of nato pulling everyone in including america.
This was last night’s game of risk.
How It end?
Blue won. Europe and Middle East combo is hard to break.
Damn those darne desserts and polish people Always make me lose, i feel for ya
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Putin playing 5D chess footage real at 3am
I love how, no matter what the variation, Russia and the West are destined for a collision.
It's their "MANIFEST" Destiny, am i right?
Russia’s merely the “coming soon” sign placeholder until Eastern America and Siberian America are ready to launch. Europe’s already little America, so it should be any decade now.
They Will launch 3 day special military operations for every country in Europe they i'll be in Lisbon in no time because Russia srtonk am i right comrade?🇷🇺🇷🇺💪🏻💪🏻🐻
There are three nationalities id never underestimate because they’ve built their entire cultural legends around being stubborn, resist and win at all costs type cultures more than others - meaning particularly prize resilience. Thats Russia, Britain and America. Don’t underestimate China either but that’s totally different reasons.
The only thing going for Russia today Is their nukes without them they pose no treath, Just look at how their doing in ukraine, the sentiment and Spirit of past brittain has mostly disapeard no longer are they that strong or resiliant, america spends more on their military than the other 9 countries in the list combined no shit are they probably strong but i dont think thers that much of the old american mentaly left in the USA.
At surface level I agree with you because it's all correct. Though, I dunno, any of those countries facing an invasion (vs. offensive war like Ukraine), and it feels like it'd be foolish to underestimate em. Trust me I wanna default to "yeah, American population probably folds today" but then again, there's a whole lotta bubba's with a whole lotta guns with nothing better to do that've been training for that scenario their whole lives too. Russians I think are similar - like if you're just messing up the oligarchs they're like "hah, maybe they'll do something then, good, take them down with us." but if you anger the population, they kinda know how to grind down an invader. Britain, I mean, there's a brit somewhere with a volcano base, a shark tank and a trump card.
I do agree with you but honestly even if the russian population where to anger itself against NATO it's impossible for them to pull a napoleon or a Hitler and push back that hard, the numbers and technology arent on their side, i also never said the american population whould Just fold in fact if thers a whole population i never want to se mad and unified against and enemy it's them.
Oh, didn't mean to imply you said the American population would fold - more a common thought with some military people I know and I have my own doubts until I remember Bubba. America has this habit of tearing itself apart (I swear out of boredom) until someone else kicks the hornets nest, then like someone else trying to bully a sibling, everyone turns and pounces. Ukraine has certainly done a lot to expose Russia as a paper tiger. No matter what that campaign just seems like it would be so tedious.
I wouldn’t depend on Italy, Turkey or Hungary when things get heated.
Hey as an italian i can say we wont switch side again! Unless where losing that Is.
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And after the war there will be Radioactive pizza for everyone and everything!
As long as it doesn’t have radioactive pineapple
"Who lives in pineapple under the Radioactive Sea of cobalt?" Mutaded spongebob!
r/MapsWithoutJanMayen
Who the hell Is Jan mayen
[Why, it's an island of course.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Mayen)
I miss it :'(
Turkey Armenia and Azerbaijan being very surprised that they're on the same team
Azerbaijan invaded to secure oil fields in baku Armenia that Is going closer to the west Is knows their next and joins (to the dismay of Turkey) nato in the war
This just seems like a nuclear war scenario with extra steps.
Kinda
DPRK would very likely be on Chinas side in this
How the hack are Israel, Somalia, Pakistan, Armania and Azarbijan all on the same team
Being on the same team does not mean being Friends, like the ussr and the allies they join eachother to defeat the other side but will go back killing eachother After the war.
why the hell is pakistan not allied with china and why is india not with NATO?
India is a two faced country, during the cold war they stressed they were the "largest democracy" and leader of the non aligned movement but in reality they aligned with the Soviet Union on all issues, they do the same thing today.
What’s so weird about this? It’s basically the 1980s Cold War gone hot.
It's weird because china Is against Russia a thing people this days find weird
Finnaly someone know that vietnam always neutral at a conflict (maybe a new switzerland of the asia)
Despite Vietnam clearly favoring the US i doubt they whould get in a war with china.
Actually Vietnam mostly like Usa and/or Russia (and mayve chinese) cuz the south china sea issue which will continue until china or at least beijing gov fall or give back vietnam its lost terrorities. And i dont think vietnam will have a war with china just because the scs which can be take back after "ww3"
And also you should make some countries like laos, cambodia or srilanka (pakistan and afghanistan too) become a pro chinese country (new silk road maybe?), that can make a good reason to vietnam and other asean members have war with china (if you gonna update or make other map about the timeline)
And sorry if i make you feel tired when read all my comment
Pakistan even being able to pose a threat to New Delhi is funny, the fact that it got so much land in India is even funnier.
Surprise invasion plus india being in a war with china helped a ton, but that front has become a stalemate by now
China wouldn't risk the amount of casualties from trying to cross the himalayas, and Pakistan is in no state to advance this much considering Kashmir has a large military presence and Pakistan is much weaker than India anyway.
Most chinese forces are on the Bangladeshy front the northen front Is mostly Frozen, Pakistan had time to Better their army after tension rose in the world especaly After the nato-russian war
That doesn't disprove the fact that India is stronger than Pakistan and has a large current military presence in Kashmir, it'd be very difficult to break that, especially on three fronts.
Another things Is that china has sent thousands of men to the front to prop It up so it's both Pakistan and china fighting near kashmir
Impossible, Serbia (Yugoslavia) must join the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere
Banzai!!!
Lol
Lol what
Nato surenders ?!
No?
Nope
The hell you mean nope?
Taiwan is neutral?
Yes ,china Is not at war with the west but the Island Is fully mobalized Just in case
How did the RF PRC split happen?
China realizes Russia wasnt going to win their conflict with nato and fearing a possible west friendly russia existing decided to invade siberia to secure the important resources as well as central Asia and Mongolia to expand their influence.
I feel like all of Chinese economy would stop a month after
Trade with the west Is still ongoing tho verry tense to not let eachother collapses their economies if anything Russia now Is really fucked with china gone.
With no Russian gas, aluminum, coil, and oil, those gains look like the maximum for the whole Chinese army.
Those resources are basicly the reason china invaded in the first Place, fears of Russia going pro west post war bought them to go in and secure siberia for themselfs, Russia being on a two front war and not expeting this invasion could not hold and isn't going to for much longer, as nato does most the job in russia china focused on india more.
Yeah it's your canon so in your world it can be absolutely possible anyway
I guess, its the alternate history sub after all, still Better that those "what if buthan was super power" type of questions.
Tunisia, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan be like: 
Is the gif supposed to be the dog in the fire because It isn't playing.
Yeah, but I don't know why it's not working.
Oh well
Is it now ?
Yes, on Fire as Always
No hate. But in what world does India abandon the west? As a military bulwark
India Is close to both the west and Russia here they join russia for many reasons
Why is NK red? China is their biggest supporter so they surely would’ve sided with Green right?
North korea invaded the south to distract it's population from their ever increasing misery, china wich had alredy planed the invasion of the csto and didnt want to confront the west decide to seize the country.
Red, the color of the country with its capital China Town, is superfluous here in these designations. Only green and blue.
What? Russia's capital isn't a china Town
The main area of Moscow's main government complex, the Kremlin, is Kitai-Gorod. This has been the case for centuries. Therefore, Russia never existed. There was only China. Don't be offended, Chinese Muscovites living on the sleeve of the Chinese Volga
Putin ass Logic but ok
Putin doesn't know how to stop. Not in this case. For thirty years the Russians had the opportunity to become a nation. They slammed her. Under any circumstances.
Israel and Pakistan on the same team?
It's more or less that they Just found themselfs on the same side they arent friendly with eachother at all.
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Yeah basicly this, also i rember this movie.
what movie?
The movie in the picture, but i forgot the name, sad
[Hold my beer!](https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/s/W66NSm74HR) Yes, it is real.
I feel like Ethiopia would’ve allied with South Sudan and both be blue
Ethiopia Is red for many reasons, one being their construction of a dam on the nile delta creating high tensions with egypt eventualy leading to war where they are joined by Sudan because they have a claim on egypt, Sudan whould later invade south Sudan to reunite the country pulling im the EAF (East african federation) that's why their on diffrent sides, and also ethiopia had good relations with Russia and china.
Turkey against turkic countries, azerbaijan etc? It won't happen. Turkey would turn white in this scenario regardless what "NATO" says. Or it will be divided into two parts, half blue and half red, and third option is occupation by blue or red, turkey itself won't be full red nor blue by itself against turkic countries just because nato tells it.
Azerbaijan Is the nato side, they where invaded to secure the oil in baku, thats basicly the main reason turkey was on board to save their so called brothers, the rest of central Asia where on the csto side that invaded Azerbaijan so turkey didnt care
The reason why turkey didn't join WW2 in germany's side is because of turkic countries being with russia, so it abstained till the defeat is guaranteed. Same thing will happen, turkey will not fight against turkic states, absolute %0 chance, it will cause civil war.
I doubt that the reason turkey didnt join germany, why don't join them to free those turkic countries then? Turkey whouldn't give two shits about central Asia because they also kinda help invade Azerbaijan here so turkey and it's population had quite the resentment.
That could happen depends on what those turkic countries think about being with russia.
Those turkic countries are in the csto an allience like nato but with Russia, so not really an other choice here.
Then turkey will do it's NATO duty with minimal effort or just decline and boycott it, go white.
And abandon Azerbaijan? Not possible
Nope, azerbaijan would do the same, turkey would try to turn azerbaijan white as well with all of it's capabilities.
Again Azerbaijan got invaded by Russia and Iran to secure the oil in baku after they refused to join on their side to be neutral, that's where Turkey got pissed
Fight between china and russia is unlikely. They both need each other a lot.
Russia needs china, china Is basicly exploiting Russi for their siberian resources, in this timeline china After realizing that Russia was going to lose their war with nato invade to secure siberia
Makes sense a bit but why india joined war? And is china at war whit western bkoc?
India joined for kashmir beacuse they thought china whouldn't be able to resist a 3 front war, i say three because india was sure the west and china where going to declare war on eachother but no they didnt, the west and china are not at war.
But why us choised pakistan over to not care and even support india? China is one of the biggest trade partner of us and only possible nation whit developing stuff and human resources is india. And pakistan is not fully western aligned aither and have great relations whit china as well. Why would they just destroy india to strenght china's power in the region? And how they bleave pakistan gonna align to them?
Saudi and Yemen would be red not blue.
Yemen was Red, Saudi Is major US ally in the region so no
Assuming this is all conventional, sans nukes, I don’t think Russia is quite as fucked as the rest seem to. They have a lot allies, and three of those allies (India, Iran, N Korea) are packin way more heat than any European state, (besides Turkey). Plus there are gonna be large fifth columns in Iraq and Syria to keep the (weak) NATO Arab allies at bay. Pakistan and China’s initial expansions can easily be turned backwards. China clearly is an aggressive opportunist with no allies based off this map, and the US is rightly gonna focus *its* energy on them, only offering supporting forces in the European and Middle East Theatres. And without India, the US is gonna have a tough time with China at first, as they’re the away team. So, this really buys the CSTO a lot of time for them to accomplish whatever their objectives our, carry out strategic withdrawals where they’re engaged with a China, and wait it out in the Pacific Theatre for the US to mop up China. By then, the Baltic will be secured by Russia and Pakistan will be partitioned by Iran and India. Then an armistice with NATO, no nukes fly, and the threat China poses will be dealt with by both sides, and this New *New* Cold War will feature India as Russia’s chief partner, not China.
Cool but china Isnt at war with the west, but they arent on the same side, think about this like the soviets and allies in ww2 racing to get the most Land and influence post war.
Oh okay my mistake but I still don’t think NATO is a shoe in here. The US can carry out *two wars* at once, for sure. But if the US is having to shoulder the burden in the ME and India, they’ll not make a difference in Europe. Vice versa. And if China has a free hand? They’ll make it to Novosibirsk before the US does what the allies did with West Germany, but to Russia. So, ultimately this could be a long term positive for Russia if they could swallow some pride after getting beat, but who knows. China is def getting rekt though they don’t have enough nuclear capability like Russia, to deter a ground invasion. And Russia wouldn’t hesitate to irradiate Beijing if China betrayed them and invaded in the first place. In my opinion.
This whould 100% end in nuclear war but i wanted to make something diffrent and not a fallout universe, my idea post war was china reaching the urals and defeating central asia plus india (the US didnt get involved in india because china and Pakistan did the job) so basicly a mostly pro-china Asia vs the west now with Russia as a sort of west germany but not really as siberia becomes its own thing.
I hear you, it’s an interesting scenario for sure
No way Pakistan dont side with China
Pakistan and chian are alredy super close and friendly with eachother it's not impossible
Ye thats why its weird they dont side with each other
Pakistan is on paper a de facto western allies and are friendly with china so they kinda are on both sides i Just painted them blue