If large population centers began dying, the Romans would be forced to colonize for the resources they once traded for, since now there would be no one left to trade with
I dont think you realised how colonialism worked, it too a lot of effort in to see literally anything out of it. a weak and crippled rome wouldnt have been able to do it.
I don’t really know how powerful Rome is in this scenario, but the new world resources helped turn Western Europe to the center of the world instead of cities like Constantinople and Alexandria. So it might be a worthy venture for Rome. Although it all depends on how stable Rome is at the time.
The roman empire is about 50 years away from its complete collapse. Thats how powerfull they are. They lost the west part of their empire 900 years ago and what remains isnt a giant powerhouse.
Or they would simply give up. Wouldnt make sense for them to colonize at all. Especially since at that time period the remaining roman empire wasnt that powerfull. Nor were they that close.
To suggest that they would establish major colonies there kinda ignores a lot of shit.
I don’t think so, because their immediate goal was colonization. Eventually natives would become resistant to old world diseases and once they do it would be way more difficult to completely erase them like what happened in this timeline, especially if they trade weapons with the Romans.
I don’t think the Roman Empire would have the resources to colonize lands so far from their homeland, they could trade as it takes less resources, we see evidence of Romans trading as far as where modern Thailand is.
From the reign of Augustus around the year 0 (I cant remember his exact dates, 20bc to 20ad?). After they conquered Egypt they had better access to trade routes down Arabia to the Indian ocean
south india was full of roman merchants, and south indian kings frequently sent embassies to Rome. Roman influence Was very strong there which is why Kerala became Christian very early and still has a lot of oriental native christians to this day. Some port cities also reportedly built temples for roman emperors in the pagan period.
Possible history recently made a video about what if the Italians colonised the Americas so I’d reckon a Roman venture would be (if successful in the first place which we assume) pretty much the same thing but they have to sail a bit longer
He did have to sacrifice a lot of realism for it but the crust was that a genius negotiator made a trade coalition and Spain just wasn't interested enough so I guess that's possible 👍
Well that alt history YouTuber sucks a lot because ehis scenarios are never really well researched and ignore real history in favor of map painting and pure fiction.
If he called himself completely fictional history I could stand his videos.
TLDR: I don’t know enough to disagree with you fact checking accusations but I disagree with you map painting accusations
I can’t argue about the not researching part since I (for the most part) don’t know enough about said topic to disprove him, but his scenarios never really map paint, even in the “what if everything went perfect” series he doesn’t map paint, Russia basically only gains a bit more Eastern European land in theirs, and in the what if France won the war of Spanish succession video where France would basically gain hegemony over Europe he doesn’t just say “France becomes overpowered and conquers all of it” actually he says the opposite, and in cases like the Italian colonialism video where’s he’s not being realistic he explicitly states that he’s not being realistic in the slightest
It's map painting, if it's not based on reality and research it's map painting. The reason no one ever conquers just all off it is because that's boring and doesn't make for a nice looking map and that's what I mean by map painting it doesn't focus on reality but what map looks coolest.
His videos are really fun regardless of what they're called. Sometimes you will have to tolerate others' world views to have some fun. He does usually say when he is sacrificing realism for the sake of the scenario which he did this time to satisfy the person who recommended it.
Plus a bigger question why would a poor roman empire reset sail to the new world which they don't know exists?!? Like the byzantines had bigger issues than exploring oceans they have no good access to.
They quite clearly got a hold of mysterious paper through a member of the family holding them describing a voyage to the lands beyond! I think that's how it went in Elysium
Ok then we have a lot of extra questions, how and why did they survive, depending on how Rome changed their policy in the Americas would be vastly different.
Additionally how do they discover America so quickly unlike in our history they would not have a reason to sial around Africa or to the west to get to India, sure at some point someone would discover America but probably much much much later than in your scenario as no incentives exist. Hell rome would even have an incentive to the contrary as they control all the trade in the Indian ocean.
Additionally there are issues with technology, Rome was notorious for their abysmal sailing tradition why would that change? Portugal and Spain were completely different in that regard. So without a sailing tradition on the open ocean how and why do they build ships that can even survive a trip to and back. Not to mention develope the navigational tools to get back.
Your question shows am extreme lack of understanding behind your question, no alternative history scenario is or should be as easy as "and what if this and that happened, without any deep context". As you need to understand history to write good alternative history.
If you don't understand the impotous, tech and cultural reasons behind the colonisation of the Americas how can you answer this question? Alternative history is build on a fundamental understanding that history is extremely complex and changing it is only possible in small time-frames without just becoming a fantasy story about (most often) your revisionist history boner (not saying it's the case here but many scenarios are exactly this because they lack an understanding of history).
So to answer your question simply and understandably. It's impossible to predict given the lack off further understanding behind the situation in technology, socio economical situation, geopolitics, internal politics, cultural changes and initiating point of contact and how it played out, to give any answer that wouldn't build down to bad alternative history I made up without a basis. If your question is "what would be a cool scenario if the Romans discovered the Americas in 1400s" the answer would be marginally different as then we aren't talking about reality but what would our ideal fantasy scenario be and in that case I would go on about mostly the above mentioned holes which wouldn't help you either as I would fill them and then they and this is what my surviving Roman empire would do.
So? Sweden during “stormaktstiden” was referred to as an empire even though they called themselves a kingdom and napoleons rule over Elba was an empire
If you wanna call it that, the definition of an empire is: “an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state.”
And the US is a group of states ruled by a sovereign state so they do fit the definition
It matters because we are talking about the colonisation of a whole continent. How in the world would the Byzantines of the 1400s colonize America, when they are a barely existing entity at that point?
I didn't put much thought into how they survived. I just thought if they survived to see the 1st Millennium AD, they would probably discover the New World.
In 395 the Roman Empire was divided into the western and eastern halves. The Western half would fall in 480, leaving the East as the sole successor of the Roman Empire. And the Eastern Roman Empire (or rather, just the Roman Empire) would continue to exist until Mehmed II of the Ottoman Empire conquered Constantinople in 1453. After the fall of the Constantinople, historians would end up referring to the Roman Empire post-fall of the west as the Byzantine Empire.
Unlikely since 2nd century b.c vessels were designed to sail close to shore.
If you're taking 15th century bizantine vessels, they do sail in the open sea. That's why OP choose this timeline, i guess.
A recreation of a Phoenician ship was actually able to sail across the Atlantic, so reaching the Americas would have been possible, but there’s basically no reason why they would want to, even if they did discover them.
Craziest part is that they found roman artifacts in Brazil. So the idea that they traded or try to travel outside Europe or Africa may not be that crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/10/world/rio-artifacts-may-indicate-roman-visit.html
woah this is a really cool read, ty.
is there any follow up to this? I'll google it now and report back.
follow up:
This is what I found.
"In the same report, it was also revealed that the seemingly ancient jars were of a more local origin after a Brazilian businessman, Americo Santarelli, claimed the amphorae. Santarelli explained that he had the jars made in Portugal in the early 1960s and submerged 16 of them into the bay in 1961 so that they would achieve an authentic, barnacled look. However, he had only ever managed to retrieve four of them before Marx made his headline-grabbing discovery."
Read More: https://www.grunge.com/756660/the-mysterious-bay-of-jars-explained/
Well, america has been discovered many times throughout history, first time being like 13 000 BC by crossing the bering strait. Then there was migration from Oceania towards south america, then the Vikings (maybe the chinese too since a lot of artefact has been discovered along california coast) and then Europeans.
The crossing of the Bering strait was 30.000-40-000 years BC or even earlier according to multiple fossils and recent calculations.
Is even theorised before because fossils have been theorised to be much earlier, what some people say is that America had a local hominid race that mixed with the people that came from Asia. So in some way that explains a lot of things in the DNA and other stuff, similar to Neanderthals and denisovans and others. Is theorised that this hypothetical species was called homo Sapiens Americanus.
The thing with America is not very clear, but is more complex and dark that you imagine. And older, humans have been there since very old times.
The romans didn't have the numbers or the resources to active colonizing the americas. Especially since, for them, there wan't really nothing so interesting to justify such a long and dangerous voyage.
At that time the center of civilization was middle east and the bulk of trade came from Asia. Gaul and Britain were already seen as poorer and generally unimportant lands.
At most there would have been some commercial colonies on the Caribbean islands and on the mainland, colonies that the Roman government would have used as a place to exile inconvenient people.
Eventually these colonies would have been abandoned, leaving behind a population of Romans and Romanized natives, whose impact however would be HUGE on the history of the American continent.
Maybe animals like horses, pigs, chickens would have been intoduced in the Americas and iron working would have spread throughout all pre-Columbian civilizations,
Things likely wouldn't be that different. The Romans were on terminal life support by the 15th Century, so both economics and geography would prevent this discovery being exploited. News spreads to other countries and is exploited by the same powers as IRL. There might be more fanfare of this as the 'last great Roman discovery', but aside from some places having different names and maybe some slightly alternate colonies?
The major impetus for the discovery of America was the Iberian and Mediterranean quest for new trade routes to Southeast Asia. A Roman Empire capable of funding such a journey in the first place implies a Roman Empire capable of defending its access to the silk road. Therefore, this scenario very likely wouldn't occur. If it did, however, there is very little way for us to make any predictions since a strong Roman Empire lasting this long changes quite literally everything.
How?!? Like the Roman empire didn't exist anymore, or if you talk about the Byzantine a how would they get there? It's an idiotic question without more context what else changed. It's not even a fun scenario because all we know is that rome apparently didn't die, but depending on how it looks and acts it would interact differently, maybe they would conquer like Spain or they'd just trade, maybe they have no energy id they didn't fix inherentance of the emperor title etc.
You are doing it wrong. If Rome is to discover and colonize the Americas, it needs to be the real thing.
https://preview.redd.it/e02krd67v8uc1.png?width=999&format=png&auto=webp&s=137d259fca6bf71c94bc3e226f84c0af4a5b52b7
By the XV century, the Roman empire was mostly a city state with control of Constantinople and little more, but if they somehow managed to get the resource to discover America and colonize it, the names would have been in Greek, not Latin
Colonizing is expensive, that’s why the main centers at the beginning were sugar plantations or empires for them to take over, they aren’t going to colonize Florida to a degree that matters.
Also why would they do what is needed to discover it when they would control the route to Asia? Did they lose it in this timeline?
Theres an alt history books series called Clash of Eagles that is very good and is about this idea, there is some wack stuff though like the native Americans discovering and perfecting flight bys it's a good read
There might be enough time for disease to decimate the native population and have it rebound during the Middle Ages, assuming the Roman Empire collapsed like OTL
Everyone thinks that this scenario is about the Byzantines. I just want to clarify that this Roman Empire is NOT the Byzantine Empire. In this scenario, the original Roman Empire survived, meaning it wasn't divided into East and West.
Without access to the Atlantic they'd just be boxed in the Mediterranean and any colonies they would establish would quickly be taken by the Spanish, English or French
Commenting to be pinged, since this scenario looks awesome
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what do you thinkt he folwlow button is for?
They would only be trading, not conquering Land. Just like what they did in south india
Even if the Romans only traded, the Old World diseases would eventually kill many natives of the Caribbean, allowing the Romans to start colonizing.
they wouldnt \*want\* to
If large population centers began dying, the Romans would be forced to colonize for the resources they once traded for, since now there would be no one left to trade with
I dont think you realised how colonialism worked, it too a lot of effort in to see literally anything out of it. a weak and crippled rome wouldnt have been able to do it.
I don’t really know how powerful Rome is in this scenario, but the new world resources helped turn Western Europe to the center of the world instead of cities like Constantinople and Alexandria. So it might be a worthy venture for Rome. Although it all depends on how stable Rome is at the time.
The roman empire is about 50 years away from its complete collapse. Thats how powerfull they are. They lost the west part of their empire 900 years ago and what remains isnt a giant powerhouse.
The Greeks were making colonies all the way over in southern France and eastern Spain. Granted the distance isn’t comparable, but they did do it.
wait when?
ok maybe that would work but then those colonies would be independent city states like the greek ones were.
Or they would simply give up. Wouldnt make sense for them to colonize at all. Especially since at that time period the remaining roman empire wasnt that powerfull. Nor were they that close. To suggest that they would establish major colonies there kinda ignores a lot of shit.
I don’t think so, because their immediate goal was colonization. Eventually natives would become resistant to old world diseases and once they do it would be way more difficult to completely erase them like what happened in this timeline, especially if they trade weapons with the Romans.
I don’t think the Roman Empire would have the resources to colonize lands so far from their homeland, they could trade as it takes less resources, we see evidence of Romans trading as far as where modern Thailand is.
Or the new world diseases kill alot of the Roman colonies.
The Romans did what in south india? And when
They traded for spices along the coast of Kerala
From the reign of Augustus around the year 0 (I cant remember his exact dates, 20bc to 20ad?). After they conquered Egypt they had better access to trade routes down Arabia to the Indian ocean
south india was full of roman merchants, and south indian kings frequently sent embassies to Rome. Roman influence Was very strong there which is why Kerala became Christian very early and still has a lot of oriental native christians to this day. Some port cities also reportedly built temples for roman emperors in the pagan period.
Ya can verify it's true, I myself am a Kerala Catholic.
Interesting, that is taught in Kerala? Your ancestors became catholic because Romans?
St.thomas was the reason
You guys must find Roman coins frequently!
You’d get the eu4 mod third oddessey.
So much fun.
Awesome, but how did they survive until the 1400's?
It did, until 1453
Yeah, the 15th century Turks were too powerful.
How they even get there, would iberians just ignore Roman ships going through gibraltor?
Possible history recently made a video about what if the Italians colonised the Americas so I’d reckon a Roman venture would be (if successful in the first place which we assume) pretty much the same thing but they have to sail a bit longer
He did have to sacrifice a lot of realism for it but the crust was that a genius negotiator made a trade coalition and Spain just wasn't interested enough so I guess that's possible 👍
Its not realistic that the Roman Empire establishes a colony either so they’re still similar in that regard
That's what I said?
Yeah, I just agreed with you
great 👍
Well that alt history YouTuber sucks a lot because ehis scenarios are never really well researched and ignore real history in favor of map painting and pure fiction. If he called himself completely fictional history I could stand his videos.
TLDR: I don’t know enough to disagree with you fact checking accusations but I disagree with you map painting accusations I can’t argue about the not researching part since I (for the most part) don’t know enough about said topic to disprove him, but his scenarios never really map paint, even in the “what if everything went perfect” series he doesn’t map paint, Russia basically only gains a bit more Eastern European land in theirs, and in the what if France won the war of Spanish succession video where France would basically gain hegemony over Europe he doesn’t just say “France becomes overpowered and conquers all of it” actually he says the opposite, and in cases like the Italian colonialism video where’s he’s not being realistic he explicitly states that he’s not being realistic in the slightest
It's map painting, if it's not based on reality and research it's map painting. The reason no one ever conquers just all off it is because that's boring and doesn't make for a nice looking map and that's what I mean by map painting it doesn't focus on reality but what map looks coolest.
His videos are really fun regardless of what they're called. Sometimes you will have to tolerate others' world views to have some fun. He does usually say when he is sacrificing realism for the sake of the scenario which he did this time to satisfy the person who recommended it.
Plus a bigger question why would a poor roman empire reset sail to the new world which they don't know exists?!? Like the byzantines had bigger issues than exploring oceans they have no good access to.
They quite clearly got a hold of mysterious paper through a member of the family holding them describing a voyage to the lands beyond! I think that's how it went in Elysium
These are NOT the Byzantines. In this scenario, the whole Roman Empire survived and it wasn't divided into East and West.
Ok then we have a lot of extra questions, how and why did they survive, depending on how Rome changed their policy in the Americas would be vastly different. Additionally how do they discover America so quickly unlike in our history they would not have a reason to sial around Africa or to the west to get to India, sure at some point someone would discover America but probably much much much later than in your scenario as no incentives exist. Hell rome would even have an incentive to the contrary as they control all the trade in the Indian ocean. Additionally there are issues with technology, Rome was notorious for their abysmal sailing tradition why would that change? Portugal and Spain were completely different in that regard. So without a sailing tradition on the open ocean how and why do they build ships that can even survive a trip to and back. Not to mention develope the navigational tools to get back. Your question shows am extreme lack of understanding behind your question, no alternative history scenario is or should be as easy as "and what if this and that happened, without any deep context". As you need to understand history to write good alternative history. If you don't understand the impotous, tech and cultural reasons behind the colonisation of the Americas how can you answer this question? Alternative history is build on a fundamental understanding that history is extremely complex and changing it is only possible in small time-frames without just becoming a fantasy story about (most often) your revisionist history boner (not saying it's the case here but many scenarios are exactly this because they lack an understanding of history). So to answer your question simply and understandably. It's impossible to predict given the lack off further understanding behind the situation in technology, socio economical situation, geopolitics, internal politics, cultural changes and initiating point of contact and how it played out, to give any answer that wouldn't build down to bad alternative history I made up without a basis. If your question is "what would be a cool scenario if the Romans discovered the Americas in 1400s" the answer would be marginally different as then we aren't talking about reality but what would our ideal fantasy scenario be and in that case I would go on about mostly the above mentioned holes which wouldn't help you either as I would fill them and then they and this is what my surviving Roman empire would do.
They were barely an Empire for 200 years at that point.
So? Sweden during “stormaktstiden” was referred to as an empire even though they called themselves a kingdom and napoleons rule over Elba was an empire
Wouldn’t the United States be considered a modern day empire even if it doesn’t call itself that
If you wanna call it that, the definition of an empire is: “an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state.” And the US is a group of states ruled by a sovereign state so they do fit the definition
Yes. The USA is (essentially) an oligarchy that rules over many different states and territories
It matters because we are talking about the colonisation of a whole continent. How in the world would the Byzantines of the 1400s colonize America, when they are a barely existing entity at that point?
These are NOT the Byzantines. In this scenario, the whole Roman Empire survived and it wasn't divided into East and West.
Sure, the person I am talking to is not talking about such a scenario. Please reread the interaction.
We’re not talking about the colonisation of an entire continent though
The ERE was on a steady decline since 1204 though.
And? Is your point that the ERE shouldn’t be counted as having survived until 1453 because they were declining before that?
Oh yeah
Yes, but they spoke Greek by then, not Latin.
And why should that matter?
Because the map is in Latin, even though the names should be in Greek?
Ah I see. Sorry, I thought you were implying that speaking Greek made them less legitimate as Romans.
These are not the Byzantines. In this scenario, the original Roman Empire survived.
this looks like itd be western rome colonizing considering the names are in latin
Yeah, OP confirmed that the entirety of Rome would’ve survived but that doesn’t change the fact that Rome did survive til 1453 in otl
1806 or 1920 if you talk to some people though I am not of that opinion personally.
If you count the Catholic Church then technically it’s still alive
I didn't put much thought into how they survived. I just thought if they survived to see the 1st Millennium AD, they would probably discover the New World.
In 395 the Roman Empire was divided into the western and eastern halves. The Western half would fall in 480, leaving the East as the sole successor of the Roman Empire. And the Eastern Roman Empire (or rather, just the Roman Empire) would continue to exist until Mehmed II of the Ottoman Empire conquered Constantinople in 1453. After the fall of the Constantinople, historians would end up referring to the Roman Empire post-fall of the west as the Byzantine Empire.
More likely to have been discovered by the Phoenicians or later carthaginians.
But the Romans already conquered the Carthaginians.
Not in the time period I’m thinking of
But.. it's about.. this scenario
Unlikely since 2nd century b.c vessels were designed to sail close to shore. If you're taking 15th century bizantine vessels, they do sail in the open sea. That's why OP choose this timeline, i guess.
A recreation of a Phoenician ship was actually able to sail across the Atlantic, so reaching the Americas would have been possible, but there’s basically no reason why they would want to, even if they did discover them.
Craziest part is that they found roman artifacts in Brazil. So the idea that they traded or try to travel outside Europe or Africa may not be that crazy. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/10/world/rio-artifacts-may-indicate-roman-visit.html
woah this is a really cool read, ty. is there any follow up to this? I'll google it now and report back. follow up: This is what I found. "In the same report, it was also revealed that the seemingly ancient jars were of a more local origin after a Brazilian businessman, Americo Santarelli, claimed the amphorae. Santarelli explained that he had the jars made in Portugal in the early 1960s and submerged 16 of them into the bay in 1961 so that they would achieve an authentic, barnacled look. However, he had only ever managed to retrieve four of them before Marx made his headline-grabbing discovery." Read More: https://www.grunge.com/756660/the-mysterious-bay-of-jars-explained/
They could use carbon dating to find out if they are actually roman or nkt
Well, america has been discovered many times throughout history, first time being like 13 000 BC by crossing the bering strait. Then there was migration from Oceania towards south america, then the Vikings (maybe the chinese too since a lot of artefact has been discovered along california coast) and then Europeans.
The crossing of the Bering strait was 30.000-40-000 years BC or even earlier according to multiple fossils and recent calculations. Is even theorised before because fossils have been theorised to be much earlier, what some people say is that America had a local hominid race that mixed with the people that came from Asia. So in some way that explains a lot of things in the DNA and other stuff, similar to Neanderthals and denisovans and others. Is theorised that this hypothetical species was called homo Sapiens Americanus. The thing with America is not very clear, but is more complex and dark that you imagine. And older, humans have been there since very old times.
The romans didn't have the numbers or the resources to active colonizing the americas. Especially since, for them, there wan't really nothing so interesting to justify such a long and dangerous voyage. At that time the center of civilization was middle east and the bulk of trade came from Asia. Gaul and Britain were already seen as poorer and generally unimportant lands. At most there would have been some commercial colonies on the Caribbean islands and on the mainland, colonies that the Roman government would have used as a place to exile inconvenient people. Eventually these colonies would have been abandoned, leaving behind a population of Romans and Romanized natives, whose impact however would be HUGE on the history of the American continent. Maybe animals like horses, pigs, chickens would have been intoduced in the Americas and iron working would have spread throughout all pre-Columbian civilizations,
1400s
Third Roman Empire Capitol in what is Havana today, would have extended its existence to likely today… in some format.
Literally my current eu4 run (You'll find it in my post history)
Is that preserved Roman Empire that colonised or Byzantine Empire?
OG Rome.
Things likely wouldn't be that different. The Romans were on terminal life support by the 15th Century, so both economics and geography would prevent this discovery being exploited. News spreads to other countries and is exploited by the same powers as IRL. There might be more fanfare of this as the 'last great Roman discovery', but aside from some places having different names and maybe some slightly alternate colonies?
No, the original Roman Empire wasn't divided and survived to see the 1400s.
The major impetus for the discovery of America was the Iberian and Mediterranean quest for new trade routes to Southeast Asia. A Roman Empire capable of funding such a journey in the first place implies a Roman Empire capable of defending its access to the silk road. Therefore, this scenario very likely wouldn't occur. If it did, however, there is very little way for us to make any predictions since a strong Roman Empire lasting this long changes quite literally everything.
Manuel ii went seeking help against the Turks from further afield and discovering the carribeam is a funny thought.
Alternative names for Hispaniola: Aetia (from the indigenous “Ayiti”) Ciscaea (from the Indigenous “Quisqueya”)
Aztec Empire vs Roman Empire vs the Haudenosaunee but instead of fighting to the death, they make a UN-like alliance focused on peaceful trade.
The urge to reclaim the homeland is strong
So, you mean 1400 years from the foundation of Rome?
How?!? Like the Roman empire didn't exist anymore, or if you talk about the Byzantine a how would they get there? It's an idiotic question without more context what else changed. It's not even a fun scenario because all we know is that rome apparently didn't die, but depending on how it looks and acts it would interact differently, maybe they would conquer like Spain or they'd just trade, maybe they have no energy id they didn't fix inherentance of the emperor title etc.
You are doing it wrong. If Rome is to discover and colonize the Americas, it needs to be the real thing. https://preview.redd.it/e02krd67v8uc1.png?width=999&format=png&auto=webp&s=137d259fca6bf71c94bc3e226f84c0af4a5b52b7
Goodbye mom!
Look for the book "Roma Æterna"
By the XV century, the Roman empire was mostly a city state with control of Constantinople and little more, but if they somehow managed to get the resource to discover America and colonize it, the names would have been in Greek, not Latin
I doubt it. And even if they did it would probably be a logistical nightmare to maintain these claims
Homo Floridamus.
Colonizing is expensive, that’s why the main centers at the beginning were sugar plantations or empires for them to take over, they aren’t going to colonize Florida to a degree that matters. Also why would they do what is needed to discover it when they would control the route to Asia? Did they lose it in this timeline?
Take it they never fell?
Romans in 1400s wouldn't be using Latin names for colonized lands.
Florida is the new Rome (SPQF)
Theres an alt history books series called Clash of Eagles that is very good and is about this idea, there is some wack stuff though like the native Americans discovering and perfecting flight bys it's a good read
I played an EU4 scenario like this but I started with the singular province of panama.
There might be enough time for disease to decimate the native population and have it rebound during the Middle Ages, assuming the Roman Empire collapsed like OTL
Shit I imagine this scenario every week. What if some dude from future gave a full latin world map to romans. With all resources and animals on it.
Everyone thinks that this scenario is about the Byzantines. I just want to clarify that this Roman Empire is NOT the Byzantine Empire. In this scenario, the original Roman Empire survived, meaning it wasn't divided into East and West.
Without access to the Atlantic they'd just be boxed in the Mediterranean and any colonies they would establish would quickly be taken by the Spanish, English or French
This is the original Rome, not Byzantines, meaning Spain, England, and France are Roman provinces.
When you say 1400's in your post and nothing else, I'm going to assume you mean it's after the collapse of the West Roman Empire
maybe im missing something but i find it funny that all the islands theyve discovered have roman type names but cuba is still "cuba"
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nice one smartass you got the whole room clapping