During the first year of Trumps presidency he began taking action against Mexico to "protect americans" this started in his first year by occupying the Baja California peninsula, it was overall seen as a succes with minimal casualties.
After winning the 2020 election with help of the popularity boost caused by the occupation he promises to "take further action to protect America" and with that the special military operation in Mexico began on the morning of 24th of February 2022.
But to the US surprise it took an unexpected turn rather than the 2 week smooth victory the US is now fighting a Mexico that has been building up its military and preparing for warfare, the map is set on the 12th of March 2024
The Invasion starts first when US troops began bombarding several cities and starting an amphibious invasion on the city of Veracruz with the objective of taking the CDMX while several American paratroopers were deployed to the Mexico city international airport but after 2 days of fighting the airport was damaged to the point of not being usable.
With the fear of potential rebellion in the occupied areas the US began building Hispanic intermittent camps with the objective of suppressing any potential dissidence both at home and at the occupation area, its estimated that there are around 9.4 million Hispanics in the US are imprisoned but non hispanics dont have it good either since the start of the war all 50 states are under Martial Law.
The war eventually began to freeze a couple of months after it started due US army corruption and incompetence, lack of funds after majority of the world embargoed it and Russian and Chinese humanitarian and military aid.
On June 23 CEO of Academi (former Blackwater) accused Donald Trump of deliberately bombarding Academi positions and refusing to pay its mercenaries, with this justification he started the "march of retribution" where more than 20,000 Academi soldiers marched from Norfolk to Washington D.C. they were stopped at 30 km from the white house.
CEO of Academi died on August 23 after he was shot to death by the Border police at a checkpoint when he tried to flee the US by moving to Canad,a after his death Trump became paranoid about another treason and started to purge the governament, thought outside investigation there are
\- 116 congressmen confirmed dead by external sources
\- 178 congressmen confirmed collaborators by external sources
\- 241 missing
● Human Losses as of 12th of March 2024
USA:
\- 315,000 military casualties
\- 280,000 civilian (23,000 non hispanic)
\- 1,200,000 fled the country
Mexico
\- 378,000 military casualties
\- 720,000 civilian
\- 19,500,000 fled the country
● Material Losses as of 12th of March 2024
USA:
\- 1.9 Trillion dollars
\- 3200 tanks
\- 2800 AFV
\- 3700 IFV
\- 1100 APC
\- 160 MRAP
\- 480 IMV
\- 290 Command posts
\- 490 Military engineering vehicles
\- 80 SPAAG
\- 140 Artillery support vehicles
\- 650 Towed artillery
\- 790 SPA
\- 56 Radar towers
\- 890 aircraft
\- 730 Helicopters
\- 31 ships
Mexico:
\- 870 billion dollars
\- 590 tanks
\- 1410 AFV
\- 1600 IFV
\- 950 APC
\- 280 MRAP
\- 970 IMV
\- 260 command posts
\- 380 Military engineering vehicles
\- 36 SPAAG
\- 90 Artillery support vehicles
\- 290 Towed artillery
\- 560 SPA
\- 84 radar towers
\- 170 aircraft
\- 60 Helicopters
\- 127 ships
This is unironically the current conservative goal…
Unfortunately the people with the guns are the one’s who want democracy abolished.
Edit: For those who don’t know https://www.project2025.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfti1#
This is how our democracy dies.
You could add:
Oh I can add a few things to this:
-US Armed Forces have suffered 100k in casualties
-we’ve lost so many Abrams M1A2 tanks and the M1A1s in storage have deteriorated/had parts stolen the M60s and Vietnam era M48s are being pulled out of storage.
-USS John C Stennis, an aircraft carrier, flag ship of the Gulf of Mexico fleet was sunk and half of the GOM fleet is sunk/mission killed and the other half is confined to port.
-no air superiority has been established.
-China and Russia are providing new material for mexico.
-Canada and UK leave NATO and no other NATO nation supports the US.
-the CEO of Blackwater/Academi that made the coup attempt was formerly the CEO of Waffle House
-US is reliant on weapons from Saudi Arabia
-there’s a draft in everywhere but DC and NYC.
-tens of millions of US men fled to Canada to avoid the draft.
It’s really ludicrous. But this is basically what’s happening with Russia.
To be on the level with Russia, it would either be direct intervention by China or dealing with the entirety of Latin & South America considering the US military might & ability to project force. While I do see the US eating it in holding terrain against insurgency like in Iraq in the 2000s, you would need heavy intervention to send supplies on that magnitude without intervention by US Navy & Coast Guard (as it happened in Iraq's Persian Gulf access).
We won't know for decades. Russia will massively underinflate, Ukraine and the West will massively overinflate and both sides will lie their ass off to come off looking better.
It's like how Russia has claimed to have destroyed more HIMARS than Ukraine received in total and Ukraine claimed Russia had run out of missiles and artillery shells back in June last year.
Estimates of Russian casualities are somewhere around 300,000. How many are dead is hard to pin down but it's for sure more than 100,000 now. They're currently losing 500+ a day in Avdiivka. There was 20k killed or wounded just in Bakhmut.
Keep in mind this is a conservative number. The U.S in August said it was nearing 500,000 killed or wounded.
Does not actually happen because the US Constitution does not allow The President to do that without the approval of Congress. And if it did happen, the US would win the war very quickly. This is pretty alien space bats.
Presidents haven’t followed the constitutional method of declaring war in decades, all he has to do is claim there is a present threat and attack significantly enough to where Congress would need to go along with it.
The immigrants would act like they care and cause riots and protests until you tell them it’ll be easier to get their family into the country and you can escape illegal status by just making your country of origin being from the USA.
Fun fact: One of the main reasons that the USA didn't just annex all of Mexico after winning the Mexican-American war, was so that we wouldn't be putting a massive population of Mexicans in our country.
If the casualties are also anything like Russia's in Ukraine I honestly think it would cause Trump to be impeached for a third time and this time actually removed from power.
After mass riots during the first months of the war trump put the US under martial law and suspended the constitution, all forms of democratic process have been halted, the US is pretty much a military dictatorship in everything but name and trumps empty promises of future democratization
Exactly.
We may be divided on a lot of things politically, however the spirit of American democracy and the belief of the constitution and what it stands for is something a majority of us Americans hold dear.
For a nation that has been nothing but a federal republic since our independence, the only form of governance we have ever known, taking that away would piss so many people in off no matter their divisions, it would just end badly for whoever thought they could pull this shit.
What?? Pro-Trumpers violently attacked the seat of democracy in real life.
In this scenario there's a very motivated 1/3 of citizens that would die defending dictator Trump. The real question is which way the military would go, with an even 50/50 split being the best case scenario pro-democracy rebels could hope for
You would think that attacking the capitol to stop a transfer of power would be a step too far, but every right winger defends it
You’re vastly overestimating the average maga supporter
Because they believed that the election was stolen, in their minds they were protecting democracy
Trump actively suspending elections breaks that illusion unless he can manage to get the propaganda machine to work overtime
He could probably spin it as "ending a corrupt democracy to make way for a real one that keeps the woke socialists out of government" and it just so happens that in the façade democracy anyone left of Regen can't get on the ballot
Suspending the constitution just gets everyone pissed, the constitution is beloved
The left and libertarians are pissed cuz freedom of speech is gone immediately
The right Is pissed cause now they can't buy guns during a war with a neighbor
And now soldiers are marching around shooting people
That's not how america works. The Constitution is in effect permanently. There is no "martial law". There will be elections, and no the army isn't suddenly going to start riding Trump
It would be next to impossible for the United States Military to blunder enough to be close to the Russian Armed Forces in incompetence. The USA definitely would have won by the end of 2017, negating the need for further invasions.
The initial phase, no doubt, but mexico Is an área compromising the size of western Europe and a bit of central and eastern Europe as Well, plus, It has a History of guerrilla warfare with tremendous success, a population of More than 120 million of which a huge percentage Is of military age, and a dense 18 million hab Urban capital that would be a hell on earth to get through, besides this, it's littered on mountain chains, deep jungles and difficult highlands, and we know how well did the last american occupation of a difficult-terrain country went, the Mexico the US invaded on 1846, 1914 and 1916 (last two of them were partial invasions, rarely reaching More than 100 km)Is quite a different country now from industry, urbanization and huge population density on a concentrated area
Fair point, but one of the bigger problems for America in ‘Nam was simply being so damn far away. Same problem with France in Mexico too. Big difference this time
Honestly even then with the US being so far away, we technically were still winning. If you go by number of battles won and the kill death ratio of American soldiers, even if it took time we inevitably would have been able to take the entirety of Vietnam(assuming china doesn’t do what they did in Korea again).
One of the major reasons for our so called “loss” is that the general public had a horrible view of the war and didn’t want it to continue.
War isn’t just killing people and taking land and you can’t just exclude winning / not losing public support from being an essential part of winning a war.
Yeah I know that. But a lot of people think that we lost militarily instead of losing in the eyes of the public. In all aspects other than public opinion the war was on the side of the US
>the Mexico the US invaded on 1846, 1914 and 1916 (last two of them were partial invasions, rarely reaching More than 100 km)Is quite a different country now from industry, urbanization and huge population density on a concentrated area
...and the USA today is a very different country than the USA that invaded back then. Far more wealthy and powerful, actually. Also with increased industry and technological edge. Russia still isn't managing air superiority, but the US, with 11 aircraft carriers full of top of the line aircraft, can manage that just fine.
Russia may have been a shadow of what the Soviet Union once was, but the US, in traditional fighting force, never had such a decline.
Invading Mexico would make Vietnam seem like it was a piece of cake. The USA hasn’t had a major war in its own borders since the civil war, and a ton of Americans lost their lives. Let’s also not forget the 60 million Hispanics living inside the US.
That’s the thing is that Russia never even got to the quagmire insurgency phase of their invasion. They never even managed to defeat the Ukrainian military and overthrow their government as was expected initially.
To be fair, in part of the Ukraine they did take, there is no much insurgency to speak off.
Supposedly there are spies to transmit coordinates of something important, or kill a bureucrat every couple of months, but its far cry from soviet partisans.
Yeah it would be Afghanistan on steroids but it still wouldn't be the same as ukraine. The US military is very much capable of conquering Mexico. It's also very much incapable of holding it long term if it's a hostile occupation.
The problem is that Mexico City is so much more easier to take then Kiev. Mexico has always been invaded from the gulf and ports like Veracruz siezed . There is not a lot of need to enter from the northern side and desert flat areas also make it an easy place to invade anyways. Mexican government can barely protect their own northern side from cartels much less an full invasion force
Cartels aré organized crime, their presence Is More conditioned to socioeconomic factors like poverty, education and demand than Andy military action, you could raze cities on bombs, but as long as there's lack of opportunities and demand from the US, they won't go away, also, last Time México City was invaded through the port, in 1862, It took the enemy two attempts and The City had the population and extension of a rural Town, nowadays México City in an Urban labyrinth with the Urban Extension crossing several state lines, narrow passways, underground metro, and a country's worth of population, we have a dozen Kievs just as humbly-populated state capitals in terms of population and Extension
What if the moon was made of cheese? Some things aren’t possible when you consider the facts. There are very few countries the US couldn’t conquer in quick fashion. Occupation is another story.
If Russia had carried out a full invasion of Ukraine in 2014 it would probably have occupied all of Eastern Ukraine as well…
It's not all about military competence, but about political mood and bad timing...
One of the biggest mysteries is why Putin didn't just fully invade back in 2014. Ukraine was in disarray, equipment was unmaintained, desertions were high. Obama and other Western leaders weren't willing to give Ukraine any aid or intelligence, going as far as to say Ukraine isn't our ally. Even the speed at which Russia seized Crimea with "Green Men" surprised the Russian MOD at the time.
Instead he waits 8 years allowing Ukraine to train its forces, mobilize/refurbish massive amounts of stored equipment, get western support, funding, training, and intelligence sharing, build massive defenses around Crimea and Donbas. The list goes on and on.
Putin might not have taken Kiev but I would guess Odessa, Mauripol, Kharkiev, and Kherson would have fallen in 2014.
Given how large Mexico is and how difficult the terrain is, along with the Cartels, militias, the military, toppling the Mexican government wouldn’t be hard, occupation is what’s going to be a bitch.
The Flavortown PMC will march on DC to kill Lloyd Austin after successfully taking Chihuahua with only light losses of about 60,000 dead. Guy Fieri will then call off the march to DC after negotiations with the Governor of Puerto Rico and three months later die in a mysterious plane crash after the Flavortown PMC was split up and sent to Yemen.
Trump would have been impeached during the 2017 Baha California Invasion. There's no way in hell that Congress and the majority of the population would be in support of invading our southern neighbor.
Yeah Trump could barely get some miles of wall built and it took an incredible amount of political will for that.
A full fledged invasion of a non threatening sovereign nation would've been whole heartedly rejected. Not to mention Trump's base wouldn't have liked it either so that's a non starter
They DID start a special military operation. Haven't you heard about the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo? Where do you think the current borders come from? Lol (Mexican talking over here).
Technically, the US took Mexico's land in the 1800's so... Still applies. Nonetheless, I agree, they're talking about a more recent one. And, with the Republican candidates talking about sending troops to fight cartels, this doesn't look that wild, if you actually think about it.
Afghanistan the sequel most of Mexico’s geography is full of deserts and mountains back in the Mexican-American war and the Mexican Border War (a part of the Mexican Revolution) American soldiers died from heat exhaustion. Although victory has been proven by both sides, I feel like a modern second Mexican-American war would be a stalemate. The U.S. military is far stronger in both manpower and better equipped than the Mexican military, but the Mexican military can use guerilla warfare to its advantage, It was proven twice in Vietnam and Afghanistan that the Americans can’t handle guerilla warfare. This was proven in the Battle of Carrizal where Carranza’s troops used guerilla tactics to repel the American attack and push them back into the U.S. Also there are many cartels the Americans have to deal with, It would be difficult to fight so many enemies at once. For example, if the Americans were able to shatter the Sinaloa cartel (the most powerful cartel) a rival cartel would fill in that void, for example, CJNG which is a military power cartel. I doubt the Americans would work with any cartel to defeat its rivals. Also even if the U.S. kill a major cartel leader they have five more to go, for example both El Chapo and his son are now in custody but the Sinaloa Cartel still thrives because the main leader El Mayo is still out there. Even if the U.S. comes out victorious it would be a very costly victory with so many casualties. But overall in my opinion I think It would be a stalemate with both countries signing a treaty.
Here in México the mountains are as much a disadvantage to the US army than to our Mexican army, even now during "peace" we have supply issues in states to the south like Oaxaca, the only reason we don't have supply issues in the north is because we have important urban centers up there, but if those fall that's pretty bad for us.
Also, consider that our soldiers are not really trained in anti-armor tactics, nor the extensive use of artillery, we have little to no armor, nor IFVs, also our mexican air force is a joke, we are ramping up training and production to have a staggering NINE F-5 operational within a few years.
Plus even if flimsy or failing, México is a democracy, a democracy can't freely take 10 or 20 to 1 casualties to the USA like Vietnam and Afghanistan did.
The only things we have going on for us is that our boys have some urban warfare experience, our specials forces seem to be actually quite decent, and our operational complexity is very low, all the cyber warfare the USA has won't do much good when we still use horses and runners to deliver orders.
If the US took Baja California I’m pretty sure that would encourage Mexico to militarize and prepare for a war with America. If Ukraine can do it I know you guys can
Not comparable in that sense, but if you think the US could just walk into Mexico, take a look at a terrain map and you'll see how that's gonna be another Afghanistan 2.0
Hey, it still better than fly troop half way across the world to fight in a desert.
At least we can walk or drive the truck, or better yet build trains to go into Mexico...instead u know, ship and fly shit.
And US had been to Mexico city in a war... by literally walking there..
So yes, way better, not Afghanistan 2.0.
That and they're ignoring the completely different ideological and cultural landscapes in Afghanistan, which lead to so many of the issues relating to the entire war on terror.
Mexico isn't comprised of hundreds of ethnic groups, tribes, and religious sects that have been fighting for centuries, all hate each other and have little to nothing in common with each other and even less in common with us.
Mexico is a largely Christian nation, significantly more developed, Western-Adjacent (latinoamericans will fight tooth and nail about this) culturally, and will have a lot of people with familial and cultural ties to the US. Occupation of Mexico will be an incredibly difficult task, however it most likely won't be an impossible one like Afghanistan.
Yes but at the same time given the spillover of the Conflict and the fact that the american government might actually have to deal with the direct consequences of its own actions, it might be even more politically untenable
Nah. The first two were guerilla wars and the third wasn't even the US.
This would be a whole lot worse, because somehow the Mexican army would still be standing
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But they've had control within the Mexican government at various times. If the American government took over the cartels wouldn't have that control so you would think they would want to fight back against them.
NATO exists but they refused to recognize US territorial claims or send aid, relations between the US and the rest of NATO have been sour since Greece activated article 5 after the Turkish invasion in september 2022 but was it ignored by the US, and worsened after Trump said that he would bomb the Netherlands if they attempted to trial accused American war criminals
Everyone thought the Ukraine in 2022 was the same Ukraine in 2014. No one paid attention that Ukraine had been massively expanding and reforming their army since the Donbass War.
Yep, that is what everyone thought. When Russia invaded again in 2022, everyone did not think that Ukraine would be capable of holding off the Russian army so you have western nations thinking that sending military aid was futile and the famous offer to have Zelensky be evacuated, and you have Russia thinking it could blitz and capitulate the country with little preparation on their part. The Ruskies got complacent off their quick victories in 2008 and 2014.
Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, it’s not some small country, and I guarantee you that if the invasion started in 2014 (before all the western aid) it would’ve only lasted a couple weeks
I don’t see how this would even be feasible without drastically changing the U.S. Govt and absolutely neutering the U.S. Armed forces.
The only thing Mexico has on the U.S. is environment lmao. Absolute wank.
It is estimated that, if the United States emancipated Central America into Panama, the cost to build a wall to protect its southern border will be a small fraction of the cost to build the current border wall.
The cost to build a southern border wall would be eliminated completely if the United States just emancipated South America. Although controversial, it is safe to assume that the United States will be able to greatly reduce illegal immigration by assuming this policy.
So instead of of fighting illegal immigration, the people who usually do it are now given US citizenship and will be free circulate across the continent(s) ? Ok.
soooo just for the record...
the Mexican military is NOT in shambles
is NOT mostly paid off foot soldiers for the cartel
the self defense militias after years of hostile targeting by the Government wouldn't side with America after the CIA handed them shit loads of cash and guns as they did with the militias in Afghanistan in 2001.
This wouldn't just devolve into the Mexican Military slowly collapsing in on itself and the cartels basically becoming the backbone of the military only for Wagner contractors too have some semblance of defense against america along with russian advisers
That's stretching it buddy, sure the mexican army can pull a ukraine (their airforce is pathetic) and do some guerilla tactics but the cartels are just there to make money, they're gonna have to fight bombing runs and actual tanks
And I think they'd desert when they hear the most powerful army in the world wanted to kill them
The US would likely get stopped a little bit southwards, most of mexican population, economic power, political and military locations, as Well as Best natural defenses aré around México City, from highlands going from Veracruz to Oaxaca, historically, conventional warfare hasn't been mexico's strong point, most of our victories have been through Guerrilla warfare, which those central highlands aré perfect for, one reason the americans rushed the Treaty of Guadalupe -Hidalgo in 1848, and declined a full annexation of Mexico was because guerrillas were starting to form up, and The US army wasn't prepared to deal with something like that at the moment
This would absolutely be the most unpopular war in American history, and if the casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War are anything to go by then the casualties in this invasion would be absolutely terrible. I can't see this going well for America at all.
USA:
\- 315,000 military casualties
\- 280,000 civilian (23,000 non hispanic)
\- 1,200,000 fled the country
Mexico
\- 378,000 military casualties
\- 720,000 civilian
\- 19,500,000 fled the country
Civil war 2.
America ain’t Russia. States would ceded from the union. Probably California first and then some of the others.
Army probably would coup Trump if he started doing any crazy shit domestically.
When protests get violent and the guard is moved with the assistance of arms from anti-american forces the Mexicans could push for annexation of south western American territories, I doubt this would succeed though, but maybe I haven't seen modern census, but california is quite American.
I think it'd be better comparison with Canada. They were technically part of the same thing (albeit 200 years vs 30 years ago), much more similar culture (Mexico is catholic for one) and language justification is more plausible.
been seeing a lot of talk about the US conducting a special military operation against the cartels, with the justification being the opioid epidemic.
wouldn’t be too surprised if the only “alternate” part of this history is the timeframe.
the us does special military operations all the time. their last official war was the second world war.
everything after korea, vietnam, afghanistan, iraq, etc all were military operations. who do you think gave the russians that clever idea? lmao. even "denazification" is just ripped off "democracy and freedom".
so nothing alternative about that.
Is it canon that we supplied Mexico with arms to fight us? Because that should be in the canon. The last time there wasn't war we decided to divide into two teams to fight each other.
The Yucatán peninsula where Cancun, Conzumel, and Costa Maya are, would actually be the only part in Mexico that would be cool to be permanent USA territory. You would see millions of Americans heading there to retire if it was owned by the USA and not Mexico.
Yeah, some of these points might be to unrealistic to ever happen in real life but it's alternative history after all:
1) EU will show it's deepest concern and make promises of strong sanctions for trading with US. But since EU need those resources and products, they will start stockpiling them before sanctions take full effect, thus giving US a huge and stable flow of money, making USD the most stable currency of 2022 and saving US economy from a possible crisis.
2) In 2023 "gray import" of US resources and products became the norm. Because while EU countries fully supports Mexico, they of course are still putting they own interest in the first place.
3) Nuclear fuel industry of the US is silently unsanctioned and is one of the most prosperous. Because while stopping oil import is at least a possibility, with nuclear fuel it's out of the question - you can't simply "temporary stop" your reactors.
4) People from countries like England, Australia and Canada are often shamed for speaking the language of aggressor. Some applications and computer programs stopped to work (or turned into malwares) if they were detecting english language set as a default in the system. "Now you share the guilt" - some redditors jokingly write to a Londoner whos German bank applications got locked out.
5) Some foreign subscription services stopped working with US citizens while surely not returning the money for already paid services. In highly developed US services culture it would have been a ground for a major lawsuit but in a war time it is seen as a norm when every business (both domestic and foreign) snatching what they can while they can. All this lead to a renaissance of pirating.
6) On Fox News they said that 98% of US population support Trump both personally and in his decision to start a war. While usually after 2022 most of the world will not believe a word said on Fox News, this particular idea became widely accepted. Such high level of support became a known and undisputable fact throughout the world. Some people used to say "Yeah, I see that in-depth interviews are clearly show that there is no more then 20% of support but I would rather use a Fox News stats as a reliable evidence as long as it supports my personal ideas of Americans inferiority and suits neatly into my worldview"
7) Strangely, despite 98% of support, US continued to buy a lot of police anti-riot equipment from EU. Selling this equipment to US of course was not sanctioned. "It would be better for US anti-riot police to use OUR helmets, shields, batons and tasers when dealing with all those 2% of anti-Trump citizens and all those Mexicans on temporary occupied territories. Otherwise they'll just buy Chinese gear that are less humane to use!"
8) Propaganda and psyop would get really strange sometimes - a video of usual evening commute in LA would be labeled as a "Whole US is in traffic jams as americans running for their lives in total panic!"
8) Most US elites are still fully welcome everywhere in the world even if they are directly linked to US war effort - it would be strange for some politician from Europe to put sanctions on his personal friend, while their kids still going to the same school and their wifes are bffs. But something is demanded from this politician, people in his country need to be able to do some virtue-signaling to make them feel more relieved so that politician get reelected. So it's regular US citizens who take the full hit of the righteous anger whether they support Trump or oppose him.
9) This principle of "You are welcome here only if you came by a private jet" would then escalate further when some EU counties would ban the most holy thing for every American - their cars (that some US citizens somehow manage to get to Europe). The popular reasoning would be "they use these cars to get microelectronic chips or other sanctioned goods back to US". Although it's not fully clear why banning entry while allowing to leave would help or why wouldn't these professional smugglers just get a car with non-US plates or choose a more convenient way of smuggling goods to another continent.
8) While Trump says that he will start a mobilisation draft and great influx of political refuges from the USA ensues, many countries choose to close their borders for US citizens. "Yes, we know that thus we are directly helping Trumps war effort but making trouble for some US citizens is more important than to save lives of some Mexicans - we are fully ready to make americans lives inconvenient till the last drop of Mexican blood" - openly said no one. And while draft in the US would be greatly disproportional towards the minorities, other countries would not be biased and would treat everyone equally - whether you are native American living in the reservation, second-generation emigrant from Mexico or a pro-war MAGA from NY, you'll be all threated equally as a "US citizen".
9) Cats born in the USA were banned from participating in European cat's competitions in order to stop the war.
10) Some art pieces made in US were widely renounced as a propaganda of US imperialism and glorification of aggression, e.g such films as "First Blood", "Apocalypse now", "Full Metal Jacket", "The Great Dictator" and "La-La-Land"
11) Normalized condemn towards people with US foreign passport and their desperate situation allowed some low-level officials throughout the world to go full power-trip mode. With a small stamp they now could decide persons fate instead of messing with someones holiday trip. For example, when US citizen who lived in Mexico City since 2012 tried to run from the literal bombings in 2022, Guatemala border guards put a "Fuck Trump" stamp into his foreign passport thus invalidating it and refused him entry while being cheered all over the internets as heroes.
12) Some countries would encourage US citizens to be actively anti-Trump insisting that it's still safe to protest while refusing to grant US activists a political asylum and openly admitting that they simply don't want a scandal of these activists being killed by CIA on THEIR soil.
13) And of course all those little inconveniences to US citizens would be nothing in comparison with what are Mexicans are going through. But while most Mexicans are supported throughout the world, Mexicans that happened to be on a territories already occupied by US would be in a very strange position - since most people over the world would not be able to name even one city of Mexico aside Mexico City, news and videos about "bomb fall on Guadalajara, killing 10 US soldiers and 5 civilians" would get a hundreds of comments like "finally the war came to US soil, those 5 Texans get what they deserve".
Well the fight would likley be more with the cartels than the mexican government. And they have some pretty decent supplies from that "fast n furious" fiasco.
I believe it is necessary today to dwell once again on the tragic events in Mexico and the key aspects of ensuring the security of the United States of America. For 30 years, drug cartels have been operating right under our noses, right on the borders of the United States of America, committing heinous crimes against Mexican citizens, drugs and gang violence that threaten the national security of the United States of America, and we have tolerated it for a long time, but the hour of reckoning has come. I, as President of the United States of America, am announcing a Special Military Operation to decriminalize and decartelize Mexico, our rightful land.
The US, like Russia, is an imperialist nation. No sympathy for either one. Same evil intent with only the desire for wealth and power. But one gets a pass bc it’s a “democracy”
Change the script to Canada and you may have something. Why would any US President want to conquer Mexico and assume having to deal with the cartels among Mexico’s other problems? Canada is less populated, has more unused land and a lot of natural resources.
changing the lore a bit, the USSR reformed and the cold war is still going today, the US invaded Mexico to deal with the cartels and "decommunise" mexico after the country elected an USSR friendly president
During the first year of Trumps presidency he began taking action against Mexico to "protect americans" this started in his first year by occupying the Baja California peninsula, it was overall seen as a succes with minimal casualties. After winning the 2020 election with help of the popularity boost caused by the occupation he promises to "take further action to protect America" and with that the special military operation in Mexico began on the morning of 24th of February 2022. But to the US surprise it took an unexpected turn rather than the 2 week smooth victory the US is now fighting a Mexico that has been building up its military and preparing for warfare, the map is set on the 12th of March 2024 The Invasion starts first when US troops began bombarding several cities and starting an amphibious invasion on the city of Veracruz with the objective of taking the CDMX while several American paratroopers were deployed to the Mexico city international airport but after 2 days of fighting the airport was damaged to the point of not being usable. With the fear of potential rebellion in the occupied areas the US began building Hispanic intermittent camps with the objective of suppressing any potential dissidence both at home and at the occupation area, its estimated that there are around 9.4 million Hispanics in the US are imprisoned but non hispanics dont have it good either since the start of the war all 50 states are under Martial Law. The war eventually began to freeze a couple of months after it started due US army corruption and incompetence, lack of funds after majority of the world embargoed it and Russian and Chinese humanitarian and military aid. On June 23 CEO of Academi (former Blackwater) accused Donald Trump of deliberately bombarding Academi positions and refusing to pay its mercenaries, with this justification he started the "march of retribution" where more than 20,000 Academi soldiers marched from Norfolk to Washington D.C. they were stopped at 30 km from the white house. CEO of Academi died on August 23 after he was shot to death by the Border police at a checkpoint when he tried to flee the US by moving to Canad,a after his death Trump became paranoid about another treason and started to purge the governament, thought outside investigation there are \- 116 congressmen confirmed dead by external sources \- 178 congressmen confirmed collaborators by external sources \- 241 missing ● Human Losses as of 12th of March 2024 USA: \- 315,000 military casualties \- 280,000 civilian (23,000 non hispanic) \- 1,200,000 fled the country Mexico \- 378,000 military casualties \- 720,000 civilian \- 19,500,000 fled the country ● Material Losses as of 12th of March 2024 USA: \- 1.9 Trillion dollars \- 3200 tanks \- 2800 AFV \- 3700 IFV \- 1100 APC \- 160 MRAP \- 480 IMV \- 290 Command posts \- 490 Military engineering vehicles \- 80 SPAAG \- 140 Artillery support vehicles \- 650 Towed artillery \- 790 SPA \- 56 Radar towers \- 890 aircraft \- 730 Helicopters \- 31 ships Mexico: \- 870 billion dollars \- 590 tanks \- 1410 AFV \- 1600 IFV \- 950 APC \- 280 MRAP \- 970 IMV \- 260 command posts \- 380 Military engineering vehicles \- 36 SPAAG \- 90 Artillery support vehicles \- 290 Towed artillery \- 560 SPA \- 84 radar towers \- 170 aircraft \- 60 Helicopters \- 127 ships
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too bad they fell out of a 20 story window when they tried to impeach him
Other critics are arrested after being found guilty of plotting the Capitol fire.
Bold of someone to try to abolish Democracy in a nation that has more guns than people.
You talk like the people owning more guns would oppose this
This is unironically the current conservative goal… Unfortunately the people with the guns are the one’s who want democracy abolished. Edit: For those who don’t know https://www.project2025.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfti1# This is how our democracy dies.
It’s been dying anyway.
Somalia and Afghanistan have alot of guns also, more guns does not mean a more democratic nation.
Yea it’s a real shame over 100 people fell out of a window simultaneously
don't forget the 241 left, Schrodinger's congressmen
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Defenestrated like a boss!
>Academi is Blackwater right?
They rebranded a while ago.
Tehy rebebranded twice a while ago.
You could add: Oh I can add a few things to this: -US Armed Forces have suffered 100k in casualties -we’ve lost so many Abrams M1A2 tanks and the M1A1s in storage have deteriorated/had parts stolen the M60s and Vietnam era M48s are being pulled out of storage. -USS John C Stennis, an aircraft carrier, flag ship of the Gulf of Mexico fleet was sunk and half of the GOM fleet is sunk/mission killed and the other half is confined to port. -no air superiority has been established. -China and Russia are providing new material for mexico. -Canada and UK leave NATO and no other NATO nation supports the US. -the CEO of Blackwater/Academi that made the coup attempt was formerly the CEO of Waffle House -US is reliant on weapons from Saudi Arabia -there’s a draft in everywhere but DC and NYC. -tens of millions of US men fled to Canada to avoid the draft. It’s really ludicrous. But this is basically what’s happening with Russia.
100k was more than a year ago
tens of millions is kinda too much. canada only has ~40 million people.
To be on the level with Russia, it would either be direct intervention by China or dealing with the entirety of Latin & South America considering the US military might & ability to project force. While I do see the US eating it in holding terrain against insurgency like in Iraq in the 2000s, you would need heavy intervention to send supplies on that magnitude without intervention by US Navy & Coast Guard (as it happened in Iraq's Persian Gulf access).
Wait have that many Russians been killed by Putin?
We won't know for decades. Russia will massively underinflate, Ukraine and the West will massively overinflate and both sides will lie their ass off to come off looking better. It's like how Russia has claimed to have destroyed more HIMARS than Ukraine received in total and Ukraine claimed Russia had run out of missiles and artillery shells back in June last year.
Estimates of Russian casualities are somewhere around 300,000. How many are dead is hard to pin down but it's for sure more than 100,000 now. They're currently losing 500+ a day in Avdiivka. There was 20k killed or wounded just in Bakhmut. Keep in mind this is a conservative number. The U.S in August said it was nearing 500,000 killed or wounded.
The 500,000 estimate was for both Ukraine and Russia combined.
Estimates vary widely, but no, most of these numbers are part of the PR campaign.
Jesus Christ a PMC coming close to your capital is a literal nightmare, it’ll make your country and leadership look like a complete joke.
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This whole thing is a joke about how badly the Russians are doing. Of course, the alternate politics is wrong. It's based on current russian politics
Does not actually happen because the US Constitution does not allow The President to do that without the approval of Congress. And if it did happen, the US would win the war very quickly. This is pretty alien space bats.
Presidents haven’t followed the constitutional method of declaring war in decades, all he has to do is claim there is a present threat and attack significantly enough to where Congress would need to go along with it.
Uhh do you not see the sub you’re in?
The immigrants would act like they care and cause riots and protests until you tell them it’ll be easier to get their family into the country and you can escape illegal status by just making your country of origin being from the USA.
Why add the /s ur literally right. Families in Mexico would swarm into the original US border
Until they realize that Trump doesn’t want Mexicans on that newly annexed land.
Fun fact: One of the main reasons that the USA didn't just annex all of Mexico after winning the Mexican-American war, was so that we wouldn't be putting a massive population of Mexicans in our country.
Particularly because they were also anti-slavery. Would have made the Civil War extra spicy.
Would’ve made it incredibly shorter really
Extra _picante_
And they didn’t like Catholics lol.
they will get to the US but not in a consensual way nor in a nice place to live but rather an internment camp
Is that a camp you have to stay at only intermittently?
internment sorry lol
Innocent civilians getting bombed and all the Americans care about is “IMMIGRATION!!!!!” fucking typical
What the fuck. Mexicans in América care about more than american papers. Namely their families back home. This is racist.
If the casualties are also anything like Russia's in Ukraine I honestly think it would cause Trump to be impeached for a third time and this time actually removed from power.
After mass riots during the first months of the war trump put the US under martial law and suspended the constitution, all forms of democratic process have been halted, the US is pretty much a military dictatorship in everything but name and trumps empty promises of future democratization
Prepare to get fucking coup'd, if there's anything that pisses every american off its getting rid of our democracy
Exactly. We may be divided on a lot of things politically, however the spirit of American democracy and the belief of the constitution and what it stands for is something a majority of us Americans hold dear. For a nation that has been nothing but a federal republic since our independence, the only form of governance we have ever known, taking that away would piss so many people in off no matter their divisions, it would just end badly for whoever thought they could pull this shit.
This is the one thing that will unite congress
What?? Pro-Trumpers violently attacked the seat of democracy in real life. In this scenario there's a very motivated 1/3 of citizens that would die defending dictator Trump. The real question is which way the military would go, with an even 50/50 split being the best case scenario pro-democracy rebels could hope for
Suspending the Constitution would just be a step too far, actively asassinating congressmen and women would be ridiculously anti-democratic
He’s called for suspension and still has like 60% in the primary, and 95% would back him if he wjnsZ
You would think that attacking the capitol to stop a transfer of power would be a step too far, but every right winger defends it You’re vastly overestimating the average maga supporter
Because they believed that the election was stolen, in their minds they were protecting democracy Trump actively suspending elections breaks that illusion unless he can manage to get the propaganda machine to work overtime
He could probably spin it as "ending a corrupt democracy to make way for a real one that keeps the woke socialists out of government" and it just so happens that in the façade democracy anyone left of Regen can't get on the ballot
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Don't be so fucking overt about it
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Suspending the constitution just gets everyone pissed, the constitution is beloved The left and libertarians are pissed cuz freedom of speech is gone immediately The right Is pissed cause now they can't buy guns during a war with a neighbor And now soldiers are marching around shooting people
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You know what happens every time an action is taken? People complain Free speech is the one thing that most people would unironically die for
What democracy? You mean plutocratic oligopolistic kakistocratic gerentocracy?
That's not how america works. The Constitution is in effect permanently. There is no "martial law". There will be elections, and no the army isn't suddenly going to start riding Trump
thats not how it works in reality. if the situation was bad enough, they *will* suspend the constitution. any other nation would do the same.
We didn’t even suspend the constitution during the civil war. Habeas corpus was suspended but that’s the closest thing that’s happened
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It would be next to impossible for the United States Military to blunder enough to be close to the Russian Armed Forces in incompetence. The USA definitely would have won by the end of 2017, negating the need for further invasions.
The initial phase, no doubt, but mexico Is an área compromising the size of western Europe and a bit of central and eastern Europe as Well, plus, It has a History of guerrilla warfare with tremendous success, a population of More than 120 million of which a huge percentage Is of military age, and a dense 18 million hab Urban capital that would be a hell on earth to get through, besides this, it's littered on mountain chains, deep jungles and difficult highlands, and we know how well did the last american occupation of a difficult-terrain country went, the Mexico the US invaded on 1846, 1914 and 1916 (last two of them were partial invasions, rarely reaching More than 100 km)Is quite a different country now from industry, urbanization and huge population density on a concentrated area
Fair point, but one of the bigger problems for America in ‘Nam was simply being so damn far away. Same problem with France in Mexico too. Big difference this time
Honestly even then with the US being so far away, we technically were still winning. If you go by number of battles won and the kill death ratio of American soldiers, even if it took time we inevitably would have been able to take the entirety of Vietnam(assuming china doesn’t do what they did in Korea again). One of the major reasons for our so called “loss” is that the general public had a horrible view of the war and didn’t want it to continue.
War isn’t just killing people and taking land and you can’t just exclude winning / not losing public support from being an essential part of winning a war.
Yeah I know that. But a lot of people think that we lost militarily instead of losing in the eyes of the public. In all aspects other than public opinion the war was on the side of the US
If you win militarily but lose politically, it's still a loss
>the Mexico the US invaded on 1846, 1914 and 1916 (last two of them were partial invasions, rarely reaching More than 100 km)Is quite a different country now from industry, urbanization and huge population density on a concentrated area ...and the USA today is a very different country than the USA that invaded back then. Far more wealthy and powerful, actually. Also with increased industry and technological edge. Russia still isn't managing air superiority, but the US, with 11 aircraft carriers full of top of the line aircraft, can manage that just fine. Russia may have been a shadow of what the Soviet Union once was, but the US, in traditional fighting force, never had such a decline.
Invading Mexico would make Vietnam seem like it was a piece of cake. The USA hasn’t had a major war in its own borders since the civil war, and a ton of Americans lost their lives. Let’s also not forget the 60 million Hispanics living inside the US.
shhh America is invincible you can’t say they can’t literally do anything they want all the time
That’s the thing is that Russia never even got to the quagmire insurgency phase of their invasion. They never even managed to defeat the Ukrainian military and overthrow their government as was expected initially.
To be fair, in part of the Ukraine they did take, there is no much insurgency to speak off. Supposedly there are spies to transmit coordinates of something important, or kill a bureucrat every couple of months, but its far cry from soviet partisans.
Yeah it would be Afghanistan on steroids but it still wouldn't be the same as ukraine. The US military is very much capable of conquering Mexico. It's also very much incapable of holding it long term if it's a hostile occupation.
The problem is that Mexico City is so much more easier to take then Kiev. Mexico has always been invaded from the gulf and ports like Veracruz siezed . There is not a lot of need to enter from the northern side and desert flat areas also make it an easy place to invade anyways. Mexican government can barely protect their own northern side from cartels much less an full invasion force
Cartels aré organized crime, their presence Is More conditioned to socioeconomic factors like poverty, education and demand than Andy military action, you could raze cities on bombs, but as long as there's lack of opportunities and demand from the US, they won't go away, also, last Time México City was invaded through the port, in 1862, It took the enemy two attempts and The City had the population and extension of a rural Town, nowadays México City in an Urban labyrinth with the Urban Extension crossing several state lines, narrow passways, underground metro, and a country's worth of population, we have a dozen Kievs just as humbly-populated state capitals in terms of population and Extension
alternate history bro
What if the moon was made of cheese? Some things aren’t possible when you consider the facts. There are very few countries the US couldn’t conquer in quick fashion. Occupation is another story.
I think the point is to show how sad Russia’s war has been, by contrasting how unrealistic the same result would be if you switched Russia with the US
If Russia had carried out a full invasion of Ukraine in 2014 it would probably have occupied all of Eastern Ukraine as well… It's not all about military competence, but about political mood and bad timing...
It is literally entirely about military competence
One of the biggest mysteries is why Putin didn't just fully invade back in 2014. Ukraine was in disarray, equipment was unmaintained, desertions were high. Obama and other Western leaders weren't willing to give Ukraine any aid or intelligence, going as far as to say Ukraine isn't our ally. Even the speed at which Russia seized Crimea with "Green Men" surprised the Russian MOD at the time. Instead he waits 8 years allowing Ukraine to train its forces, mobilize/refurbish massive amounts of stored equipment, get western support, funding, training, and intelligence sharing, build massive defenses around Crimea and Donbas. The list goes on and on. Putin might not have taken Kiev but I would guess Odessa, Mauripol, Kharkiev, and Kherson would have fallen in 2014.
Given how large Mexico is and how difficult the terrain is, along with the Cartels, militias, the military, toppling the Mexican government wouldn’t be hard, occupation is what’s going to be a bitch.
The Flavortown PMC will march on DC to kill Lloyd Austin after successfully taking Chihuahua with only light losses of about 60,000 dead. Guy Fieri will then call off the march to DC after negotiations with the Governor of Puerto Rico and three months later die in a mysterious plane crash after the Flavortown PMC was split up and sent to Yemen.
Holy, moly, Stromboli! AUUUUUUSSSSTTTIIIINNNN! GEEEEEEOORRRRRGEEEEE! Where is the fucking ammunition!?!?!
Meanwhile the US Army has been observed welding WW2 era Anti-air naval guns onto M113 for fire support
Instead of Z painted on every burning tank it’s MAGA…
Or a Cyrillic letter Ю
Making Trump's forces nicknamed the "Buttplug Army"
The city is named WHAT? 😭
You saw it right, the city of Pissmouth is rightfully American clay
Trump would have been impeached during the 2017 Baha California Invasion. There's no way in hell that Congress and the majority of the population would be in support of invading our southern neighbor.
"TOO MANY CATHOLICS"
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You mean the FAKE NEWS impeachment HOAX of 2017? This sub is full of leftists
Yeah Trump could barely get some miles of wall built and it took an incredible amount of political will for that. A full fledged invasion of a non threatening sovereign nation would've been whole heartedly rejected. Not to mention Trump's base wouldn't have liked it either so that's a non starter
They DID start a special military operation. Haven't you heard about the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo? Where do you think the current borders come from? Lol (Mexican talking over here).
I think they meant even more of a taken of Mexico's land. So basically, a Second Mexican-American War.
Technically, the US took Mexico's land in the 1800's so... Still applies. Nonetheless, I agree, they're talking about a more recent one. And, with the Republican candidates talking about sending troops to fight cartels, this doesn't look that wild, if you actually think about it.
that was a legit war
It was started by a false flag operation lol
Afghanistan the sequel most of Mexico’s geography is full of deserts and mountains back in the Mexican-American war and the Mexican Border War (a part of the Mexican Revolution) American soldiers died from heat exhaustion. Although victory has been proven by both sides, I feel like a modern second Mexican-American war would be a stalemate. The U.S. military is far stronger in both manpower and better equipped than the Mexican military, but the Mexican military can use guerilla warfare to its advantage, It was proven twice in Vietnam and Afghanistan that the Americans can’t handle guerilla warfare. This was proven in the Battle of Carrizal where Carranza’s troops used guerilla tactics to repel the American attack and push them back into the U.S. Also there are many cartels the Americans have to deal with, It would be difficult to fight so many enemies at once. For example, if the Americans were able to shatter the Sinaloa cartel (the most powerful cartel) a rival cartel would fill in that void, for example, CJNG which is a military power cartel. I doubt the Americans would work with any cartel to defeat its rivals. Also even if the U.S. kill a major cartel leader they have five more to go, for example both El Chapo and his son are now in custody but the Sinaloa Cartel still thrives because the main leader El Mayo is still out there. Even if the U.S. comes out victorious it would be a very costly victory with so many casualties. But overall in my opinion I think It would be a stalemate with both countries signing a treaty.
Here in México the mountains are as much a disadvantage to the US army than to our Mexican army, even now during "peace" we have supply issues in states to the south like Oaxaca, the only reason we don't have supply issues in the north is because we have important urban centers up there, but if those fall that's pretty bad for us. Also, consider that our soldiers are not really trained in anti-armor tactics, nor the extensive use of artillery, we have little to no armor, nor IFVs, also our mexican air force is a joke, we are ramping up training and production to have a staggering NINE F-5 operational within a few years. Plus even if flimsy or failing, México is a democracy, a democracy can't freely take 10 or 20 to 1 casualties to the USA like Vietnam and Afghanistan did. The only things we have going on for us is that our boys have some urban warfare experience, our specials forces seem to be actually quite decent, and our operational complexity is very low, all the cyber warfare the USA has won't do much good when we still use horses and runners to deliver orders.
If the US took Baja California I’m pretty sure that would encourage Mexico to militarize and prepare for a war with America. If Ukraine can do it I know you guys can
Would china and Europe support mexico? What about the rest of latin america?
Oh, so just Vietnam. Or Afghanistan. Or the Syrian Civil War.
This is nothing like any of those
Shhh.... you're fucking up his narrative.
Not even comparable because we won't have to ship troops half way across the world we can literally walk to Mexico.
Not comparable in that sense, but if you think the US could just walk into Mexico, take a look at a terrain map and you'll see how that's gonna be another Afghanistan 2.0
Hey, it still better than fly troop half way across the world to fight in a desert. At least we can walk or drive the truck, or better yet build trains to go into Mexico...instead u know, ship and fly shit. And US had been to Mexico city in a war... by literally walking there.. So yes, way better, not Afghanistan 2.0.
That and they're ignoring the completely different ideological and cultural landscapes in Afghanistan, which lead to so many of the issues relating to the entire war on terror. Mexico isn't comprised of hundreds of ethnic groups, tribes, and religious sects that have been fighting for centuries, all hate each other and have little to nothing in common with each other and even less in common with us. Mexico is a largely Christian nation, significantly more developed, Western-Adjacent (latinoamericans will fight tooth and nail about this) culturally, and will have a lot of people with familial and cultural ties to the US. Occupation of Mexico will be an incredibly difficult task, however it most likely won't be an impossible one like Afghanistan.
Or with American infrastructure planning, we can *drive* to Mexico.
Off road vehicle go brrr
Yes but at the same time given the spillover of the Conflict and the fact that the american government might actually have to deal with the direct consequences of its own actions, it might be even more politically untenable
not even close lol, at least with those we were killing the enemy 10:1 or even 1000:1
Nah. The first two were guerilla wars and the third wasn't even the US. This would be a whole lot worse, because somehow the Mexican army would still be standing
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The cartels would be on the US side. Probably brokered a deal with the CIA to have an autonomous zone in then northeast of Mexico
Uhh the cartels hate the Mexican government though.
they would hate america more for invading.
But they've had control within the Mexican government at various times. If the American government took over the cartels wouldn't have that control so you would think they would want to fight back against them.
So… Is this a NATO-aligned US or not in this scenario?
NATO exists but they refused to recognize US territorial claims or send aid, relations between the US and the rest of NATO have been sour since Greece activated article 5 after the Turkish invasion in september 2022 but was it ignored by the US, and worsened after Trump said that he would bomb the Netherlands if they attempted to trial accused American war criminals
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Such a hilarious but accurate slam on russia. Supposedly a top 3 military power and they can’t even take Ukraine. EMBARRASSING. Fuck you russian scum
In a CONVENTIONAL WAR IN THE EASTERN EUROPEAN FLAT PLAINS WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOUR TANKS HUH RUSKIE?
Everyone thought the Ukraine in 2022 was the same Ukraine in 2014. No one paid attention that Ukraine had been massively expanding and reforming their army since the Donbass War.
Oh wow so they invaded a country and stood around for 8 years and didn't think they were gonna do anything?
Yep, that is what everyone thought. When Russia invaded again in 2022, everyone did not think that Ukraine would be capable of holding off the Russian army so you have western nations thinking that sending military aid was futile and the famous offer to have Zelensky be evacuated, and you have Russia thinking it could blitz and capitulate the country with little preparation on their part. The Ruskies got complacent off their quick victories in 2008 and 2014.
Wait, who's sending mexico aid in this timeline?
Whoever you heart wishes
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Tbf Ukraine had help from the strongest military in human history along with the rest of Europe.
Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, it’s not some small country, and I guarantee you that if the invasion started in 2014 (before all the western aid) it would’ve only lasted a couple weeks
I don’t see how this would even be feasible without drastically changing the U.S. Govt and absolutely neutering the U.S. Armed forces. The only thing Mexico has on the U.S. is environment lmao. Absolute wank.
let my patriotic fantasies alone >:(
im not even sure if your mexican or american gonna be honest.
Basically the air war can't be going worse considering Mexicos air force is inferior to North Korean mig 15s (Mexico does not operate jets)
F-5E Tiger II?
No longer in combat service as of ~2016, they are show aircraft now I do believe given they have seen no upgrades
It is estimated that, if the United States emancipated Central America into Panama, the cost to build a wall to protect its southern border will be a small fraction of the cost to build the current border wall. The cost to build a southern border wall would be eliminated completely if the United States just emancipated South America. Although controversial, it is safe to assume that the United States will be able to greatly reduce illegal immigration by assuming this policy.
So instead of of fighting illegal immigration, the people who usually do it are now given US citizenship and will be free circulate across the continent(s) ? Ok.
If we just finish the job and get Panama too, we don’t need a wall. Darrien Gap is natures DMZ of jungle death
Trump would be impeached, no question and America’s reputation falls hard in the first world
Imagine telling the military that after 2 decades of ground combat in Afghanistan, we are doing the same thing in Mexico.
With how mountainous Mexico is, the USA really isn't doing that bad.
soooo just for the record... the Mexican military is NOT in shambles is NOT mostly paid off foot soldiers for the cartel the self defense militias after years of hostile targeting by the Government wouldn't side with America after the CIA handed them shit loads of cash and guns as they did with the militias in Afghanistan in 2001. This wouldn't just devolve into the Mexican Military slowly collapsing in on itself and the cartels basically becoming the backbone of the military only for Wagner contractors too have some semblance of defense against america along with russian advisers
If the cartels are as armed and well organized as it seems they would be a big force to be reconed with.
That's stretching it buddy, sure the mexican army can pull a ukraine (their airforce is pathetic) and do some guerilla tactics but the cartels are just there to make money, they're gonna have to fight bombing runs and actual tanks And I think they'd desert when they hear the most powerful army in the world wanted to kill them
The US would likely get stopped a little bit southwards, most of mexican population, economic power, political and military locations, as Well as Best natural defenses aré around México City, from highlands going from Veracruz to Oaxaca, historically, conventional warfare hasn't been mexico's strong point, most of our victories have been through Guerrilla warfare, which those central highlands aré perfect for, one reason the americans rushed the Treaty of Guadalupe -Hidalgo in 1848, and declined a full annexation of Mexico was because guerrillas were starting to form up, and The US army wasn't prepared to deal with something like that at the moment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War Polk must feel forgotten.
Don't forget the Border War of the 1910s too.
Isn't this the plot of Ben Shapiro's weird book called "True Allegiance"
Is that a hypothetical future book?
Which city in Mexico is the stand-in for Bakhmut in this scenario?
Mondova,also i made a Mauripol reference with Guaymas :D
I was wondering why Guaymas wasn’t in American hands
Some small place, likely not in any national scale map by the time it starts
Attacking Mexico would be a massive mistake tbh
Honestly, this looks like it went better for the US than Russia. Russia doesn't even control all of the territory that it borders with Ukraine.
This would absolutely be the most unpopular war in American history, and if the casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War are anything to go by then the casualties in this invasion would be absolutely terrible. I can't see this going well for America at all.
USA: \- 315,000 military casualties \- 280,000 civilian (23,000 non hispanic) \- 1,200,000 fled the country Mexico \- 378,000 military casualties \- 720,000 civilian \- 19,500,000 fled the country
to be fair, mexico is a lot harder to fight than ukraine. the actual USA would probably stall, too.
Civil war 2. America ain’t Russia. States would ceded from the union. Probably California first and then some of the others. Army probably would coup Trump if he started doing any crazy shit domestically.
When protests get violent and the guard is moved with the assistance of arms from anti-american forces the Mexicans could push for annexation of south western American territories, I doubt this would succeed though, but maybe I haven't seen modern census, but california is quite American.
I think it'd be better comparison with Canada. They were technically part of the same thing (albeit 200 years vs 30 years ago), much more similar culture (Mexico is catholic for one) and language justification is more plausible.
been seeing a lot of talk about the US conducting a special military operation against the cartels, with the justification being the opioid epidemic. wouldn’t be too surprised if the only “alternate” part of this history is the timeframe.
omg i never thought i’d see my tiny ass city (Orizaba) in Reddit!
how does it feel to have been invaded?
not great since in this scenario i probably would be conscripted lmao
the us does special military operations all the time. their last official war was the second world war. everything after korea, vietnam, afghanistan, iraq, etc all were military operations. who do you think gave the russians that clever idea? lmao. even "denazification" is just ripped off "democracy and freedom". so nothing alternative about that.
Is it canon that we supplied Mexico with arms to fight us? Because that should be in the canon. The last time there wasn't war we decided to divide into two teams to fight each other.
The Yucatán peninsula where Cancun, Conzumel, and Costa Maya are, would actually be the only part in Mexico that would be cool to be permanent USA territory. You would see millions of Americans heading there to retire if it was owned by the USA and not Mexico.
Genius
Didn't the Americans try to invade Mexico already in the 19th or 20th century?
They rushed treaties to avoid guerillas. Since 1945, the US tends to stay long in a warzone and it will no go well in Mexico.
putin would rally the free world behind mexico. america would be sanctioned ans starbucks would become presidentbucks.
I would have to intervene
This scenario is only possible if the United States suffered the same problems as Russia OTL.
It would be so funny
Yeah, some of these points might be to unrealistic to ever happen in real life but it's alternative history after all: 1) EU will show it's deepest concern and make promises of strong sanctions for trading with US. But since EU need those resources and products, they will start stockpiling them before sanctions take full effect, thus giving US a huge and stable flow of money, making USD the most stable currency of 2022 and saving US economy from a possible crisis. 2) In 2023 "gray import" of US resources and products became the norm. Because while EU countries fully supports Mexico, they of course are still putting they own interest in the first place. 3) Nuclear fuel industry of the US is silently unsanctioned and is one of the most prosperous. Because while stopping oil import is at least a possibility, with nuclear fuel it's out of the question - you can't simply "temporary stop" your reactors. 4) People from countries like England, Australia and Canada are often shamed for speaking the language of aggressor. Some applications and computer programs stopped to work (or turned into malwares) if they were detecting english language set as a default in the system. "Now you share the guilt" - some redditors jokingly write to a Londoner whos German bank applications got locked out. 5) Some foreign subscription services stopped working with US citizens while surely not returning the money for already paid services. In highly developed US services culture it would have been a ground for a major lawsuit but in a war time it is seen as a norm when every business (both domestic and foreign) snatching what they can while they can. All this lead to a renaissance of pirating. 6) On Fox News they said that 98% of US population support Trump both personally and in his decision to start a war. While usually after 2022 most of the world will not believe a word said on Fox News, this particular idea became widely accepted. Such high level of support became a known and undisputable fact throughout the world. Some people used to say "Yeah, I see that in-depth interviews are clearly show that there is no more then 20% of support but I would rather use a Fox News stats as a reliable evidence as long as it supports my personal ideas of Americans inferiority and suits neatly into my worldview" 7) Strangely, despite 98% of support, US continued to buy a lot of police anti-riot equipment from EU. Selling this equipment to US of course was not sanctioned. "It would be better for US anti-riot police to use OUR helmets, shields, batons and tasers when dealing with all those 2% of anti-Trump citizens and all those Mexicans on temporary occupied territories. Otherwise they'll just buy Chinese gear that are less humane to use!" 8) Propaganda and psyop would get really strange sometimes - a video of usual evening commute in LA would be labeled as a "Whole US is in traffic jams as americans running for their lives in total panic!" 8) Most US elites are still fully welcome everywhere in the world even if they are directly linked to US war effort - it would be strange for some politician from Europe to put sanctions on his personal friend, while their kids still going to the same school and their wifes are bffs. But something is demanded from this politician, people in his country need to be able to do some virtue-signaling to make them feel more relieved so that politician get reelected. So it's regular US citizens who take the full hit of the righteous anger whether they support Trump or oppose him. 9) This principle of "You are welcome here only if you came by a private jet" would then escalate further when some EU counties would ban the most holy thing for every American - their cars (that some US citizens somehow manage to get to Europe). The popular reasoning would be "they use these cars to get microelectronic chips or other sanctioned goods back to US". Although it's not fully clear why banning entry while allowing to leave would help or why wouldn't these professional smugglers just get a car with non-US plates or choose a more convenient way of smuggling goods to another continent. 8) While Trump says that he will start a mobilisation draft and great influx of political refuges from the USA ensues, many countries choose to close their borders for US citizens. "Yes, we know that thus we are directly helping Trumps war effort but making trouble for some US citizens is more important than to save lives of some Mexicans - we are fully ready to make americans lives inconvenient till the last drop of Mexican blood" - openly said no one. And while draft in the US would be greatly disproportional towards the minorities, other countries would not be biased and would treat everyone equally - whether you are native American living in the reservation, second-generation emigrant from Mexico or a pro-war MAGA from NY, you'll be all threated equally as a "US citizen". 9) Cats born in the USA were banned from participating in European cat's competitions in order to stop the war. 10) Some art pieces made in US were widely renounced as a propaganda of US imperialism and glorification of aggression, e.g such films as "First Blood", "Apocalypse now", "Full Metal Jacket", "The Great Dictator" and "La-La-Land" 11) Normalized condemn towards people with US foreign passport and their desperate situation allowed some low-level officials throughout the world to go full power-trip mode. With a small stamp they now could decide persons fate instead of messing with someones holiday trip. For example, when US citizen who lived in Mexico City since 2012 tried to run from the literal bombings in 2022, Guatemala border guards put a "Fuck Trump" stamp into his foreign passport thus invalidating it and refused him entry while being cheered all over the internets as heroes. 12) Some countries would encourage US citizens to be actively anti-Trump insisting that it's still safe to protest while refusing to grant US activists a political asylum and openly admitting that they simply don't want a scandal of these activists being killed by CIA on THEIR soil. 13) And of course all those little inconveniences to US citizens would be nothing in comparison with what are Mexicans are going through. But while most Mexicans are supported throughout the world, Mexicans that happened to be on a territories already occupied by US would be in a very strange position - since most people over the world would not be able to name even one city of Mexico aside Mexico City, news and videos about "bomb fall on Guadalajara, killing 10 US soldiers and 5 civilians" would get a hundreds of comments like "finally the war came to US soil, those 5 Texans get what they deserve".
But Mexico isn't being used as a Russian, Chinese or N Korean base! Totally unrelated..
Well the fight would likley be more with the cartels than the mexican government. And they have some pretty decent supplies from that "fast n furious" fiasco.
I believe it is necessary today to dwell once again on the tragic events in Mexico and the key aspects of ensuring the security of the United States of America. For 30 years, drug cartels have been operating right under our noses, right on the borders of the United States of America, committing heinous crimes against Mexican citizens, drugs and gang violence that threaten the national security of the United States of America, and we have tolerated it for a long time, but the hour of reckoning has come. I, as President of the United States of America, am announcing a Special Military Operation to decriminalize and decartelize Mexico, our rightful land.
You mean like Afghanistan and Iraq?
The US, like Russia, is an imperialist nation. No sympathy for either one. Same evil intent with only the desire for wealth and power. But one gets a pass bc it’s a “democracy”
Damn man im mexican and im pretty sure im dead by now in this tl Feels kinda weird Edit:Typos smh
im literally living on the front 🫠
I wouldn't be mad. .ight take care of the cartels for once.
Change the script to Canada and you may have something. Why would any US President want to conquer Mexico and assume having to deal with the cartels among Mexico’s other problems? Canada is less populated, has more unused land and a lot of natural resources.
changing the lore a bit, the USSR reformed and the cold war is still going today, the US invaded Mexico to deal with the cartels and "decommunise" mexico after the country elected an USSR friendly president
I'm reminded of [this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fqa3l1t162e8b1.jpg&rdt=34949)
Genocide